Why Is Northern Ireland's Most Controversial Figure a 17th Century Dutch King?
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- Опубликовано: 7 июн 2024
- "The Troubles" is the name given to the sectarian conflict between largely Catholic Republicans and mostly Protestant Unionists that split Northern Ireland from the late 1960s until the Good Friday Agreement of 1998. One figure that often appears on the flags carried by the aptly-named "Orange Order" and who is lionised on Unionist murals is King "Billy" - William of Orange, the Dutch Stadthouder who became King William of England, Ireland and Scotland in 1688. But why is this 17th Century Dutch King still revered and hated in equal measure by many in Northern Ireland in the 19th and still today in the 20th Century?
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Well this is... surreal. Thanks a lot for the shoutout and a great video too, really expanded my knowledge on some pre-Troubles history.
Cheers my man really enjoy watching your stuff and appreciate all the effort you put in!
Well this is... surreal. Thanks a lot for the shoutout and a great video too, really expanded my knowledge on some pre-Troubles history.
Honestly as an irish person, it brings me so much joy when Hilbert makes a video about Ireland, we often feel overlooked
Aye, I’m English but 1/4 Irish and I find Irish history really interestint
Lol shut up everyone bangs on about Irish history
@@bk2active gay
Northern Ireland = UK
@@BigBen444 for now 🇮🇪🇮🇪
I am from Northern Ireland and a Protestant. I am decended from French Protestants thrown outa South West France aroundt that time. How they came to Ireland I have no idea. I learned something in this video. TBH both sides are so similar and intermixed. I adore our Southern Neighbours. I have only ever had good experiences in the South. You will never meet nicer people. Please please please lets keep this all in our history. Don't pick sides.
I'm from the south, and the last time I was in NI, in 2018, with my girlfriend, we loved it. Lovely people. We didn't know what background the people were from and we didn't care.
Was your ancestor a Huguenot?
@@meab12 its just another part of Ireland, a bit like donegal
Assuming you family were Huguenots, a lot went to Dublin.
To fight against the British the battle of the boyne was never about Catholic V protestant from the Dutch perspective William wanted the British crown for his wife/cousin (she was also 15 when they married) James's neice who had both catholics and protestants in the dutch army
You don't think of the Dutch, the Dutch will make you think of them...
*Dutch national anthem intensifies*
En zo is het wel, ja! 🇳🇱
@Del Monte I don't really get the WW2 reference, but maybe that's because i know the difference between the Netherlands and Germany.
Wilhelmus van Nassouwe
Yas Orange!!!! Let's go fellow people of Orange
@@remc0s cos Netherlands was aliied with us and Germany managed to do to them what they did to France. If I'm not wrong.
Teacher: "Why are you laughing?"
Me: "Nothing."
My brain: "Head Wilhelmus"
I'm saying "het" but whatever gets you through school ;)
@@historywithhilbert146 I played Stille Willem in my tutor and then my friend played Rick Astley and betrayed me
Also I am trying to learn Dutch what would you recommend me use to learn Dutch
@@oj5253 I used the app Tandem to find a Dutch speaker to practice with, which I think helped me quite a bit
I also try reading children's books, news written for teens (like NOSstories), and memes. All of these can also give you a sense of the Dutch culture and current events
@@yoavshati hey thanks
@@historywithhilbert146 ruclips.net/video/MJSznAdf1j0/видео.html
As a person from Northern Ireland, this video was amazingly executed. Didn't push bias on either side and called the country Northern Ireland when it needed to be in context. Very well done!
Thank you so much that's really kind of you to say!
Unbiased but very clear which side is in the wrong
@@loganchase8137 very true I'm not bothered about a united Ireland it's inevitable to come which alot know over here and when it does come it'll bring better things, Let's hope of course.
This is the perfect place to drop a cheeky “I hate Northern Ireland with a passion”
@@yungshinobi8162 Hopefully a united Ireland doesn't happen in my lifetime.
King Billy called into a pub after the battle of the Boyne and seeing the defeated King James at the bar crying into his pint he came over to him and putting his arm around his shoulders to console him and said ,sure it will all be forgotten about in a few weeks.!!!!
Ireland became Defaco independent in 1922, but was still a Dominion of the British Empire (like Canada & Australia).
It became fully independent and officially a Republic in 1947
England still have a big say in are still. As long as that invisible boarder is there in land. . But not for much longer. it's moving to the Irish sea.
It was partitioned. Northern Ireland is still in the U.K.
@@kingwilliamiiiprinceoforan469 Yes but Ireland is mostly independent even if Northern Ireland are mostly traitors to Ireland.
@@malachymccloskey7839 Ulster Loyalists stop the violence so must want Irish Sea Border protocol so
@@RobertK1993 Shut up.
I saw an interview with Ian Paisley in the 80s on the Dutch Catholic public broadcaster KRO where Ian Paisley got annoyed with the interviewer and said "Why don't you Dutch just stay out of our Irish affairs?" Funny because if we had done that he wouldn't have been there. 😆
Ha ha!
How would he not? The catholic’s couldn’t beat the Protestants in history, look at the siege of Derry and Enniskillen. Therefore the planters would have survived and paisley would have been there regardless.
That’s an inaccurate statement there
@@adamcopeland6080 If the Protestants couldn’t beat the Catholics then why does Northern Ireland have a PROTESTANT MAJORITY? 😁
He wasn't potrayed as a nutter in Spitting Image for nothing.
Why does every video Hilbert makes, has some direct or indirect connection with the Netherlands? ( *Het Hulielmus playing in the backround* )
because he loves the Netherlands so much, he has to put it with more frequency
@@maximilianolimamoreira5002 that's a whole new level of patriotism
Because He's from a Dutch background?
I think he's Dutch because he sounds Dutch and his name could be Dutch.
because hes a dutch historian maybe? :)
I once tried to win back Northern Ireland in a game of checkers against Winston Churchill
same
Same here, and I'm not even Irish.
You were playing checkers, Winston was playing chess.
Yeah, I did do that...
@@fuzzydunlop7928 neither is de Valera!
"Carry the boy, that's born to be king, over the sea, to Skye"
Why would the Scots go to Culloden 😢
F in the chat
My ancestors lost their land in the Bonnie Prince Charlie uprising. The Clan ended up scattering to the colonies.
Same, then spent generations down mines. Way things are going, we will soon be marching for reparations....
Did you hear about the Catholic King who was also a mouse? They called him Stewart the Little
This is a god tier comment. Thank you.
Very good😉
There it is Homer, the cleverest thing you'll ever say and nobody heard it.
As a northern Irish person I love this so much as William of Orange was so more of a complex charater than what he is boiled down to be here. Love to see more videos about Irish history.
Hello fren from across the pond, maybe this video will explain my question, but I'd appreciate your p.o.v. if you'll indulge me. I'm only here because I play a mobile game called C.U.E. (Cards the Universe and Everything) and got a card for Will the orange, and it really sums up him.... in like 3 paragraphs. Basically saying he was eventually king of The UK, Scotland, AND Ireland and I'm no historian, but such a thing seems.... incredibly difficult if not impossible given all the factors I'm aware of I'm my American ignorance and poor education for the rest of the world. I doubt you'll see this. Or reply, but I would appreciate your personal response, given, you likely have a more individual perspective. Thank you for your time. I'm going to restart the video for like the 3rd time, this guy's voice makes my ADHD just kinda go Charlie Brown Teacher bwah bwah bwah even though I genuinely want to understand.
Oh, (again, ADHD) I love your stew. I couldn't get mutton (another C.U.E card. This one came with a recipe) in my location, but I used beef and it was... amazing. Probably have it for Thanksgiving tbh. Also Boondock Saints is one of mynfacorite movies but I probably sound like a proper tosser rn so my apologies in advance
MajorSamm is really underrated on YT, deserves way more subs (just like you Hilbert)
Many thanks - totally agree on MajorSamm!
Fun fact : the Catholic church sided with William of orange, it was he who had the pope's support. The novel Imprimatur is all about this.
Henry II had the Pope's permission to invade Ireland too. The Catholic church is the enemy of Ireland,...and if we zoom in on the Jesuits, probably the world.
@@Difficultfuckhead I would not go that far, The Jesuits were just missionaries and scientists, many still are, while the war by Henry II was a complicated event more related to the general relations between the Irish and the Normans.
I love MajorSamm, I’m so glad to finally learn about some more Irish history from two great channels
Great video Hilbert. Quality is top notch! Editing and transitions looking SMOOTH
Hi love your video, I’m a Protestant from Northern Ireland but Oliver Cromwell was a wanker tho. Peace for everyone 🇬🇧🤝🇮🇪 from Belfast
@Rusty Shackleford What would happen if a woman in your family tried to marry a William? Will she get disowned as well?
LOL
As a British Catholic I was rather surprised at my first visit to Dublin a few years back to find that the only cathedral in Dublin was Anglican with Union Jack flags flying inside.
@@gepwxaqdfsidsesg1548 There’s more than one cathedral in Dublin.
Thanks very much! I think most people can agree on that haha
Doesn’t say much for your intelligence. Cromwell is responsible for the supremacy of parliament. He is a major pillar in the achievement of parliamentary democracy in the UK. Don’t believe all the Irish crap about Cromwell. A lot of it is untrue and when evidence has been uncovered which contradicts the Irish “victim” narrative it is ignored.
Irish is mentioned.
The planet “oh I’m 1-8th Irish”
People from the island of ireland. 😮🥱
Americans/English create grand cities and great feats of engineering.
Irish shovel the dirt - "We built that!"
@@Difficultfuckhead source?
@@Difficultfuckhead The whitehouse was designed by an irishman .
@@galoglaich3281 I'm surprised you didn't go straight to inventing the submarine. That's what every proud Irishman says. Black beer, Halloween and the Submarine. What more do you want?
@@Difficultfuckhead Boyles law and modern chemistry,the federation of australia.induction coil ,sudacrem and milk of magnesia.
The battle of the Boyne happen at old bridge outside Drogheda in County Louth. I live along the river its about a half an hour to forty minute walk from my house. Old bridge as well as newgrange are both well worth a vist if you are ever in the area.
I like this in-depth approach. Drilling down on William of Orange caught my eye! Congratulations on your channel.
Great informative video as always Hilbert!
Cromwell was a Puritan/Independent, not a Presbyterian. Presbyterians were also persecuted in Ireland for many years after 1690, leading to the 1798 Rebellion
Nonconformists, not just Presbyterians
Was it not Methodists that made up the United Irish men?
@@markmclarnon7035 no, not really. The leaders were middle class Presbyterians (Henry Joy McCracken, McTier etc) and a few moderate Anglicans (Wolfe Tone) but the boots on the ground especially in Ulster were mostly working class Presbyterians and Catholics. Methodists treaded a fine line between established church and Dissenters as originally Methodism was just a movement in the Anglican Church. John Wesley himself died an Anglican. Wesley was sympathetic in his journals to those effected by the landlordism in co. Antrim during the 1770s and understood why the Hearts of Steel and Oakboys acted as they did
@@PhilHoy97 and yet they were persecuted during the rebellion by the Catholic members of it.
@@PhilHoy97 Presbyterian were successful economically, but politically they were oppressed by other more Mainstream lines if Protestantism.
So interesting 👍👍👍👍 we missed you
Thank you! Glad to be back and apologies for my absence!
As a Canadian of Welsh-Irish-Scottish descent appreciated the reference to Stan Rogers, a treasured bard of the Great North. Didn’t know about this song but look forward to a listen.
This shows that all countries in Europe is interconnected. I hope that Everybody will see that we life on a super tiny rock in space. So love and protect life. It's too short to ignore.
What's called plantation was actually peasant poor from displaced in Europe catholic extermination of protestant faith.at that time ireland was fully within uk so Scots.welsh English at same receivership
Literally live in NI and never bothered to understand what the hell this was all about really. Thanks for making this so I’m less dumb
You live in NI and haven’t heard of King Billy?!
Cromwell was actually a Congregationalist not a Presbyterian but I would think that many Presbyterians woukd have supported him.
1969 Troubles started through segregation and discrimination of catholics, bringing NICRA to march and British soldiers opened fire murdering innocent civilians bloody Sunday. Not because of desires of uniting Ireland.
No, it was about uniting Ireland. And those civilians weren’t exactly innocent nor civil lol. If you watch videos of that day they were throwing rocks.
@@tomblack4634 You're delusional. Just like their behaviour that day, similar to SS tactics. Even though your government admitted it was a war crime. You strike me as someone who would've believed Hitler in that all them Jews weren't innocent. Catholics were NOT allowed to vote or work during this time. Ian Paisley was no different than your boy Adolf.
Lads let bygones be bygones enough blood has been spilled on this island.
@@juliuscaesar8513 Amen.
@John Coleson There was no IRA you Balloon. The British military ran paramilitaries here you clown and armed them. The official IRA were in shambles and that's what give birth to the Provos, because innocent people were being killed and 5he officials were not even ready. No doubt there was terrorists here but not those innocent people bro.
Great video. Just you mention that the celebrated battle on the twelfth of July on the Julian calendar was the battle of Aughrim i’m pretty sure that was not the case. The battle of the Boyne, before the calendar switch, was originally celebrated on the first of july and only switched to the twelfth after the change. you are right to point out the significance of the battle of Aughrim. However, the main significance of the Battle of the Boyne was that both Kings were present.
Ok I can deal with the simplification of boiling things down to Catholic/Irish vs Protestant/Colonisers when you’re talking about the 16th or 17th century. I understand it might be useful to simplify the story. But in the centuries after that and especially in the post independence period (which you mentioned in reference to 1922) that kind of simplification is both anachronistic and actually just perpetuates sectarian revisionism. In 1922 when Ireland began decolonising itself, removing obvious symbols of British colonisation like statues of King William etc many of the most prominent leaders of republicanism were in fact Protestants, and there were plenty of Catholics in previous generations who had been unionists to varying degrees of enthusiasm. Famously by the 18th century there were numerous Protestant leaders of Irish uprisings and independence movements who regarded themselves as Irish and who are celebrated as Irish patriots to this day, and even in the post-reformation period 2 centuries earlier this was the case. In the 1920s several of the most prominent members of the government were heroes of the war of independence and were also protestants. The first president of Ireland was one such. I do understand that making a RUclips video about Irish history constrains your ability to explore nuances and details. But these are not minor details which you should brush aside for brevity and they’re not insignificant if much of your video does in fact go to the trouble of painting a green and orange black and white sectarian picture.
This needs to be higher.
@@m.g.3013 I should probably also say that this is not how Irish history is taught in Ireland at any serious academic level. Indeed it has been widely accepted that the British intelligentsia and establishment promoted the concept of a rigid sectarian divide on the island of Ireland (especially post partition) in the absence of concrete evidence for it and that this reflects a long tradition of divide and conquer attitudes towards British colonies. Partition itself was largely engineered by the British government which stoked fears among Northern Unionists that an independent Ireland would be a Catholic state which would disenfranchise and marginalise non-Catholics. There was no evidence this would be the case at that time. And indeed the inclusion of northern Protestants within the new state would have insured that demographically this could not be the case. However any acts of sectarian violence were sensationalised, even if the real motives involved had nothing to do with religion and after partition the sense of a truly faith based division in Ireland seemed to have been made manifest which did in the end lead to RC dominance in Ireland and Protestant dominance in the North. Much as would happen in India under similar circumstances where the British fuelled mistrust between Hindus and Muslims and then stoked violence between communities in order to justify a sectarian partition of India. The assumption was that a Muslim Indian state would be more pro-British and so it’s creation was accomplished. In Ireland’s case the island was partitioned for even more pragmatic reasons, namely that Britain did not wish to have a newly independent island of Ireland ready to grow and flourish, perhaps compete with it and perhaps develop an anti-British foreign policy. Britain needed to maintain physical control over the island and promote instability and hamper progress in whatever ways it could. The result was The Troubles - a conflict engineered by the U.K. in service of its own interests and only finally begun to be remedied once the backwash from that conflict began to harm the imperial metropole in the 80s and 90s.
This is complete new for me!
@@yesssyeppp3852 given that you told me to stfu I’m going to assume you didn’t reply in good faith and are just flaming in the comments and treat you as the likely idiot that you are.
The orange in the Irish flag actually represents protestants. I was quite surprised when I read that early Irish independence movements where lead by protestants and that many Irish heroes like Wolfe Tone where protestants.
Im from Donegal in the border area in the Republic of Ireland. Im of a mixed Catholic/Protestant heritage and have family members in the Orange order and in Donegal at least, its more of a social club for middle aged protestants.
Over the border, they march in Nationalist areas to show their dominance which is a lot less benign. There is also a ban on entry if you marry a Catholic and their whole connection with paramilitary organisations.
They are also very active in Scotland due to the Protestant/Catholic divide there.
In the coming decades the Order will be a lot less relevant as there will be an overwhelming majority of nationalists in NI and after a border poll, it will be part of Ireland again.
There's a Protestant and Catholic divide in Scotland? If so I've been blissfully unaware. Could you elaborate please?
@@ToastieBRRRN There was a high level of migration from Ireland (Mostly catholic but some protestant also) during to Famine to Scotland and so began 180 years of secterianism and anti-irish sentiment from the Protestant side there. It is tied into Football also .(Celtic/Rangers)
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Scotland#Sectarianism
@@RonanStrain1989 I guess the English practiced genocide on the Irish before trying it in The Colonies.
I hope to join the order one day. Long live king William and the true faith
@@RonanStrain1989 Some of the hatred towards the Catholic Irish in Scotland due to the fact that at least 2 million of them came over and started competing for Labour jobs with the already poor Scots and the desperation of the Irish in Scotland led to employers picking the Irish over the Scots because they would work for less driving down wages overall and making it harder to make ends meet thanks to that. There is also the fact that the Catholic Irish refused to integrate into Scottish society for the most part for example there is a law that allows for Catholics to build their own schools and discriminate against non Catholics trying to join them. They also build their own clubs pubs and football teams instead of trying to integrate they stuck with their own people causing the nation to be divided especially in places like Glasgow where up until 20 years ago you could get murdered in certain parts for being protestant or Catholic. Things have gotten better but the resentment runs deep.
7:34 what painting is that?
Very interesting. That orange got on the Irish flag somehow. Lol. This was news to me. Great video, as always. Please keep the outstanding videos coming and God bless you, my friend!
That was intentional. The white represents the peace needed between the Orange Unionist and Green Nationalist communities for Ireland to be one. Wasn't to be but it is what it is.
@@seanflynncontact didn't realise that interesting fact thanks
It's not quite correct to say that the Troubles were due to one side wanting to reunify with the Republic, and the other wanting to stay in the UK. The actual cause was the violent repression of civil rights movement in Northern Ireland, and Unionist/Protestant fear of change and losing their monopoly on political power. Things like religion and political alignment, while relevant, are much more tangential to the conflict than people typically treat them.
Your not even close in your description.
As someone with links on both sides of the community in NI it's nice to see something with an unbiased opinion. Shame people can't forgive and forget to move on and stop the fighting
The shame is lack of ability to accept home grown culture when embracing so many foreign ones.only when protestant king did irish bemoan
Very interesting and well articulated.
Very interesting video and I truly appreciate the proper pronunciation of Derry😁
Great video and absolutely unbiased which is very hard to do with anything regarding Irish history. I'm from Belfast and I often wonder if James had of won would the Irish today be flying the Union Jack and be total loyalists? Also what would protestants Northern Irish flag be like? Probably nothing as they more than likely would have been wiped out.
People from Ireland are so mixed pure ayrian not in mix.viking .Norman.french.spanish.german.dutch....
The flag is same
Can you please make a video on Germany's way to an own nation in the 1800s? It's really interesting!
Yes! That would make a brilliant video. I am always shocked at how new Germany is
😂😂😂about time bud. Thought u would of done one on this already ya Dutch orange 😂 love the vids bud, glad you mentioned majorsam 👍
you missed out one little fun fact, the pope at the time supported William because the war in many ways had more to do with polotics than relgion (thought the two were still very closely linked)
A good video but several things that could have been mentioned or were inaccurate are William was not only James son in law but also his nephew. the crown was offered to Mary not him but he stood firm and refused to be a prince consort and demanded and got equal status with his wife so the reign began as a joint monarch of William and Mary. the Highland Clearanceswerent caused by the assumption of William to the Scottish throne but because the older Gaelic clan system was weakened when the clan chief became the landowner rather than the guardian of the land for the clan nad clearance were made gradually overtime to bring in more profitable sources of Income for the Chief. (I would recommend you ) In fact, the highlands remained a source of soldiers for the British Army until well into the 19th century. it was Queen Victoria who remarking on the lack of highlanders for the army was told that the landlords had evited most of them, however, I digress. the "Troubles" that started in the sixties was only the latest in the ongoing republican Irish fight for Brit free united Ireland. there was a terrorism outbreak in the fifties that wasn't successful and even now so-called dissident republicans The *IRA under one of its "let's just change" the initial letter as in the IRA, the provisional IRA. the Provos or PIRA, the continuity IRA etc and continue the "WAR" as usual.Northern Ireland has never had a peaceful period since its inception in 1921.
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as a Northern irish person this really helps me understand why people in my parents & grand parents day had this war happening. like it makes the whole of the willimite war make more sense but i do wonder what would have happened if James won in a way that lead to the catholics of ireland becoming indepentant before the later point would we have a stuart monarchy. i'd like to see something on that alternate history.
>Just saved a guy from 2 angry turkeys in a blizzard with a snow shovel while wearing swim trunks
>Get home drinking Tim Hortons coffee
>Queue this video
>Stan Rogers is mention
>voice breaking
"Oh the year was 1778, how I wish I was in Sherbrooke now...."
Great video! Which sources did you use? I would like to read more about 'de glorieuze overtocht' :)
I literally just came from Major Samm noice video!
I'm proud to be Northern Irish, Irish and British. They're not mutually exclusive, we have come a far way from the days of old and to move forward you shouldn't look back
They're all equally ugly. They can knock out a tune though.
@@Difficultfuckhead and where do you hail from then
@@StevioGaming1 Belfast.
@@Difficultfuckhead then why refer to yourself as "they"
@@StevioGaming1 If you live here why are you arguing with me? It's why we drink. We need perpetual beer goggles just to keep this ship afloat.
I love Stan Rogers. Amazing voice and his songs are well written, often based on history and his own experience, and very deep.
@Hilbert, you'll love MacDonnell on the Heights and Barrett's Privateers
Fairly well balanced video considering the topic. Only one obvious error is Cromwell was a puritan, not presbyterian (he viewed us as only slightly better than the romans).
Puritans did organise their churches on both Presbyterian and Congregationalist lines. While I see Cromwell as the _uber_ Puritan, I also think that the "branch" of Puritanism he was part of could have been Presbyterian. Cheers from that former Colony those proto-fascist bastards founded, Massachusetts, USA.
For all Cromwells great victories, his severed head was excavated and passed around at parties... If you ask me, that's the humiliation he deserved for his indescriminate murder of the Irish
@@elyrexo Its possible that this may be the case but irrelevant of drogheda, Cromwell was the typical English general thinking of all Irish as barbarians. If he had even the remotest of excuses to kill Catholics, he would, doesnt seem fair to Me but others apparently think otherwise.
@@manualfein9936 He wasn't just a general. He was a dictator. Many in England hated him also hence the passing around his head at parties. I agree with you that there is no more fitting an end to the tyrant!
@@louisbaker4362 well there's something we have in common then but I though most English would have been favourable to Cromwell, how come he was seen as tyrannical even in England?
@@manualfein9936 The English civil war mostly, Cromwell started his rule by having the King publically beheaded in front of a crowd in London. Then he went and banned Christmas due to his religious views and then he also went and made things like theatre and stuff illegal apparently for some reason, probably his puritan views. The whole passing his head around on a pike was done afterwards first by the king who was upset about the whole having his father beheaded thing.
As for the being favourable to him its less because of Ireland but more because he reformed the army into what would become the current British army and also managed to win wars against both the Netherlands and Spain which were both much more powerful than England at the time. Admittedly though he actually had little to do with those things as the new model army was mostly devised and led by Fairfax while it was his admirals and generals who won the wars against the Netherlands and Spain.
@@elyrexo yeah but it doesn’t suit the Irish “victim” narrative so the Irish reject it. Cromwell was a great man.
What I learned from this video: "And James fled to France."
Twice. He was very fleet of foot
So also Fran is connected to Ireland.
Could you do a video on the tangier garrison ?
There were some terrible anti Protestant massacres pre Battle of the Boyne, well documented!
You said that Cromwell was Presbyterian, but he was a puritan. He tolerated the Presbyterians but considered them lost in faith
I never know how to feel about king Billy. As on the one hand I am dutch, while on the other hand I am a catholic with a catholic irish partner.
psychopath is probably the best way to describe him
King Billy murdered thousans of defenceless Irish people, a bully an a coward
Wow, a very complex experience! 😏
King William was a hero
@Niek Vels you do realize that the nazi killed a whole bunch of Catholics in Poland, right?
Hilbert I love your content! I hate to ask but I’m hoping to join buhurt and having dutch armor from the 80 years war. Curious if you know of any manuals from the period. It’s hard to find with US internet servers.
Dat heb jij goed gedaan 👍
The Irish Protestants hate me because I’m Catholic, and the Irish Catholics hate me because Im English. I can’t fucking win mate.
Very good overview of a very complicated part of Irish history it still going on today in a low key way, most of Europe got over its reilgious wars by the end of 17th centurary Ireland rumbled on well into the 20th!
The Flight to Connacht was summed up by a quote from Cromwell of 'To Hell or To Connacht!'. Most of the Irish Speaking Regions are still in Connacht to this day!
@Cormac Mac donnacha That's where all you lesbians will be going too...
Avoided every landmine. Very well done.
You forget an important point in which William was making preperations for what would be the war of the Grande Alliance for which English participation with the Alliance was required to boost their chances against France.
A further point that William refused to take action untill a letter was sent to him requesting him to do so. This way he could dispell the notion that it was a dutch invasion and thus deter any repellion against him later
As a dutch man i have always felt a sort of conection to our irish brotheren now i have seen this that feeling has only grown
The protestant extremists wear orange clothes and march today even in Australia
@@jonathanwilson4016 Meanwhile my cousin (I'm an Irish-American, fyi) grew up wearing orange on St Patrick's Day because my uncle was keen on his Protestant Irish ancestry. The man was a lay pastor in two churches of different denominations and in no way could be described as "extremist."
I gave a like at the start. Despite of what I would think about it. This is very interesting.
Gotta say your Dutch pronunciations is very good, my congratulations on that one
Where you think he's from?
In my book, it's his English that's really good
To hell or to Conaught. Was an expression often used.
Look up "To hell or Barbados."
No it wasn't, it's largely a myth, as is most of the historical revisionism underpinning Irish Republicanism
Ignore, rewrite, complain - it's the Irish way
good to see a brit covering a bit of irish history, none of this is taught in schools in mainland uk when it should be, I only found out myself after moving to Eire about cromwells invasion etc
It was taught in my school here in Kent, England??
@@geovanniali6060 it is . The Atlantic slave grade , the mass stavations, etc are all taught
In my school (Northumberland) we didn't learn about it either which is a shame really.
@Cormac Mac donnacha Do you think the first people who wrote the Irish language down did so in a conscious way so as to enable future generations of Irish speakers to be infinitely pedantic towards English speakers forevermore?
I mean, how can something like this - 'hsmghkcyutkyfchgcvhgvmvhgv' - come out sounding like Dumdrum?
@Cormac Mac donnacha I've noted you correcting people's spelling three times already. Not only is it pedantic, but it's also kinda snotty and rude. A real conversation killer. You're from the Irish diaspora you say? Do you think your descendants left the Island because of historic hardships or were they just kicked out for being annoying?
15:05 "Particularly in Scotland, these would become well known"
Not really.
We learned about "Bonnie Prince" Charlie and the Battle of Culloden in school, but his dad and William of Orange were hardly mentioned at all. The Jacobite Rebellion was taught more in the context of "Scotland v England", which is why the other part of Scottish history we were taught was William Wallace and Robert the Bruce vs Edward 1, 2 and 3 (of course, this was 1998- just after Braveheart came out)
I'm a little confused on the on-going tension
between the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland
that I would like some help and clarification on.
I do understand that at least some of it has to do with those wanting to see
a united Ireland and those on the other side who staunchly want to remain part of the UK.
That said... it appears to be more complicated than just that.
Is it it an on-going conflict that is Geo-political, multi-ethnic,
religious / sectarian (Catholics vs Protestants)...
or a mixed combination thereof??
What the English overlook is that the term glorious revolution was really just spin for what effectively was a successful Dutch invasion of England.
@Caratacus succesfull invasion doesn't have to result in annexation
@Caratacus wasn't it common in those days too, for a king to have more than one title, as in: being ruler over two, eehm, kingdoms? The word 'country' just didn't feel right here.
@@nedsteven4622 The English navy tried to stop the invasion but couldn't and James fled before battle took place but came back to challenge William in Ireland. Parliament also didn't want William as King but he forced them to accept it
@Caratacus a more fitting example would be the Revolutionary France invasion of the Dutch Republic
@Caratacus the French were welcomed by many as liberators and quite a few Dutch people helped the French invade the Dutch Republic. They just put the Revolutionaries in power. You are correct that partial annexations took place so it maybe isn't the best example but it fits better than D-Day. The English weren't fighting the French in 1944 while the Dutch were fighting the English in 1688. William III as King was better and more sustainable for the Dutch than annexation would have been. The English were not in a state to challenge the Dutch in 1688 but that wouldn't last forever
Ironic how the loyalists of Northern Ireland were originally fighting the king
@BxxDxx Hoodoo what
@@vestty5802 Mostly junkies and scumbags these days
Nice to see I am being mentioned
Brilliant storytelling
Just a heads up, your audio is insanely quiet. I've just watched content from 5 other channels, and with this one I've needed to max out the DB just to get a good listen to what you're saying. Either way though, thanks for the content!
I'm not saying I'm not deaf in one ear, either! But, the mean DB required to listen comfortably was higher (3.1DB higher, in fact) than I needed for many other content creators in a similar genre.
I'm sorry
You're deaf.
British army was a active participant of the troubles and colluded with loyalist paramilitaries.
as an englishman I'm happy you pronounced derry correctly👍
3:48 "Presbyterian". Hilbert's quality in a death spiral.
Uwu
@@historywithhilbert146 Cromwell wasn't a Presbyterian, he was a Puritan. It was the lowland Scots and their settlers who were Presbyterians.
@@Dom-fx4kt yeah Cromwell hated Presbyterians (or Calvinists) but one mistake isn't the worst for a history video on Ireland.
@@TheGreatSpoonMan puritanism is actually heavily based on Calvinism, but as always, everyone hates everyone
@@Dom-fx4kt Good observation - my bad!
Cromwell was a puritan not a Presbyterian
@Niek Vels good for you mate
Same thing really, the Puritans hated the Catholic influence in the Church of England and wanted to make it more Calvinist like the Presbyterian Church of Scotland
@@thomasdavid7364 except Puritans were generally suspicious of church hierarchy.
Hopefully we will evolve in time to see these aggressions against people who just want to live in peace, prosperity, and freedom. And reverse these aggressive, childish attitudes that this world has found hard to do !!!!! Don McGuire
Needs more exclamation marks, Don.
@@Difficultfuckhead But five is my trademark !!!!! D
I would like more history about Ireland or Scotland. Or more Dutch. Well, anything that is historically overlooked.
Same here. The great famine needs more exposure
More on the way ;)
It’s funny because in History in schools over here is just all Irish history to the point where I don’t like learning about it anymore and find it really boring
Well there is sooooo much history which are overlooked. Especially those history of the parties, countries who lost battles/ wars. History is mainly writen by the winners.
Still waiting for the evolution of the pitchfork!
Why is the title of the video isn't a grammatical question?
Because I'm sleep deprived am
@@historywithhilbert146 That's a fair enough excuse, that.
The real battle in the Williamite war from a historical and political point is the "Battle of Aughrim" where 7000 IRISH foot soldiers with inferior weapons and bad leadership fought bravely to the last man. Many Jacobite professional soldiers had already transferred to France under agreement with James 2nd it also should be remembered some of Williams best troops were Dutch Catholics fighting French expansion in Europe against the Holy Roman Empire who had the support of the pope so much for the "Glorious Revolution" where certain English nobles committed treason against their rightful King for a number of reasons not just religious!ps:Holy Roman Empire with the help of Poland, Bavaria, and protestant troops of Saxony had in previous 4 years pushed back the Ottamans from the gates Vienna which in 17 th century terms was a more significant event in European history celebrated in all the courts of Europe including protestant ones. Ireland post Williamite wars suffered major land losses among the Catholic gentry and penal laws not instigated by William himself but the protestant party in Ireland bordering on racial ism against the the majority native population.
What many don’t know, the orange order (people in Northern Ireland will have differing views) have a saying “loyal and true, orange and blue”. The blue is in reference to the Dutch Blue Guards who were a wholly catholic unit in Williams army who fought at the Boyne and won great renown by withstanding the cavalry attacks from James’ army.
Thanks for the informative replay just a note the Williamite army had a high regard for the IRISH cavalry who were excellent horsemen and prolonged the war in the period post Aughrim one officer named Sarsfield stands out during the siege of Limerick he died subsequently fighting the English in the service of France ie "Wild Geese"
Hows it giong during covid?
Very few videos I watch about about Irish/northern Irish history push biased views.
Thank you for once letting me finish a video without being angry 👍🏻
Me when Hilbert starts speaking:😀
My small Irish ancestry (1/8) came from the north, so I wondered as I watched the Troubles on the TV just how my distant cousins were doing and where they stood
That would depend on what religion your ancestors were?
@@Dom-fx4kt Not always, some Catholics are Loyalists and vice versa
@@ApeX-pj4mq Yeah that's true I can confirm, I'm from a mixed Catholic-Presbyterian family myself
@@Dom-fx4kt I think they were Protestant but from ancient times it is not uncommon for males from one land to come to another land, marry, and settle down there. So the maternal line could be indigenous Irish, but the male line could be coming in with the Plantation movement
As someone from near the border I'm glad to see Hilbert giving us some love
Also incoming comments shitstorm
Don't miss out on his initial statement! Watch Major Samm
G E K O L O N I S E E R D
You see, in most of Ireland, the war of the 2 Kings is a blip in history, & not really important.. The real bastard was Cromwell..
I'm learning Irish and I'm going to be studying abroad in the Netherlands so this is very relevant!
Very well done, Mr. Hilbert. A great video on a controversial bit of Irish History. Good on ya, let Ireland be at peace and united in timem
As My Family is English, Irish & Scottish, It really bugs me that Religion has led to 400 Years of Foreign Monarchs after Parliament Committed High Treason yet again.
'Cuz the Normans and the Plantagenets weren't foreign? The kings of Scotland were likewise French or Frenchified Norsemen. How many generations does it take before a family ceases to be "foreign"?
It was the English caused all of the trouble an wars an they wouldn't hav won only for my American friends who I would die for.
@@noelmoran5725 Ri-ight. It was the English who invaded Belgium, twice, in 25 years.
He’s not controversial in Ireland. He’s universally hated!
Wait was this about King Willem or what? I forgot...
@@harmtimmer7531
De oranje familie is door en door corrupt, net zoals de hapsburgers
Not by the Ulster Protestants. Or why else would they still hold the Orange Marches?
Cromwell is a hero to all who believe in democracy.
@@Ozymandias1 there’s been no orange marches on Ireland for ages. They’re all up North now
The gold chain of the Lord Mayor of the City of Dublin still carries a medallion with the image of William of Orange!
You mentioned a parliament in Ireland. I’m curious since I thought the Ireland was ruled from London until the home rule movement started. How did this first legislative body come to be?
Ireland's Parliament was dissolved after the 1798 rebellion and the subsequent Act of Union in 1800. After this Ireland was 'represented' in the Parliament in Westminster.
The parliment is from the creation of the Kingdom of Ireland in 1542. Before that only the Pope had the right to create Kingdoms and arbitrated over the control/disputes of land, which is how the Lordship of Ireland was granted to the English crown. When King Henry the 8th became head of the Church of England, the Lordship was converted to a Kingdom, i.e. a new legal entity since Henry had been excommunicated and the justification for his rule over Ireland didn't exist anymore.
@@TadeuszCantwell
As far as I know King Henry VIII chose the Harp as the symbol of Ireland which it still is to this day. Harping was very popular in the country back then, as was fighting, ólacháin agus maith go leor.
@@tonytheflamingo1648 they were hugely represented in westminster, often having the balance of power.
@@godlovesyou1995 disregarding that Irish Catholics weren't even permitted to serve as MPs until 1829 and then alongside that the British government disinfranchised the 40 shilling freeholders who were the poorest voter base and hence were more likely to be Irish Catholic.