I am a climber and we use this a lot for rescue. Also as a hunter I use this to raise my deer. Remember there is: 1. Weight of the load 2. Friction of the load (tires on gravel) 3. Friction of the system (dirt, ice, in/on the rope, snatch block). Lastly I heard you talking about an angled use of a snatch block and rope. When the angle between your anchor and your snatch block exceeds 90 degrees, your rope is subjected to far more force the larger (more obtuse) the angle is and failure of the rope becomes a concern. Good video Show us flipping your rig over and then back onto it’s wheels. ;) My point zero two.
I think the sleeve in the winch rope was supposed to go in first in the winch, because those first turns are the ones getting hot with the winch heat, and that is what the sleeve is for.
You spoke of winch duty cycle. We used to build and haul portable buildings, up to 16X40, finished out cabins. After burning up a couple motors on our warns we spoke with a guy that sold and serviced them. He recommended continuous duty motors so we had him install them on the winches we used to load and unload the buildings. No more burnt up motors. No more waiting for them to cool off. We had researched hydraulic winches but decided against them. Reason being, those things are pull monsters and we were concerned that if things got in a bind we would damage the buildings before the winch loaded to the point that we would know there was a problem. Enjoyed the video, I was sceptical until I saw it in action. You do know there is an old school method to get a 4 line pull with just 2 single snatch blocks, right?
Howdy neighbor from Roane Co. and yes. If your winch is rated for a 20% duty cycle it is 1 minute on 4 minutes off. Yes the doughnut will cause additional wear on the soft shackles, but if you inspect your equipment regularly and use safe and proper rigging, it is perfectly safe.
for that duty cycle thing i was look at your winch. it can run for 15 minutes before it gets to hot, but just say you did, you would have to wait 2 hours before you would get another 15 minute pull, but you waited an hour, you could get another 7 minutes. if you can add cooling fins thats a whole new ball game
Don't forget that if your own car slides forward because of the winch. Then it is good to be able to put one of the ends in, for example, a tree next to your own car to prevent it from sliding away towards what you are trying to pull.
You multiply the winches pulling ability by 2x. So a 8,000lb winch can now pull 16,000lbs. The rigging doesn't have extra strain on it. The rigging will have the same load on it as the original weight, the load placed on the rigging doesn't change. It now takes less force to move the same load with a 2 part line.
The load doesn't change. The weight of whatever youre moving never changes. The stresses placed on rigging equipment goes down based on number of line parts. More line parts, less stress on each individual line.
M Barilla the load changes on the block. You have the rope to the winch pulling 8000lbs and the rope from the second point of attachment pulling 8000 + (10% for friction on a regular block) so the block and everything behind it is being pulled with 16000 pounds of force. So all your rigging at that point needs to be rated for a min of 16800lbs. Rigging 101.
I’ve never thought of this. I’ve been using x rings doing tree work for years. This is a bigger version. Imagine dropping logs and how fast the rope moves through the rings. No wear after years of use.
If that soft shackle were to break for whatever reason, i would be worried about that party pulley, leaving the rope completely like its own projectile. Could add an extra level of danger, just something to be aware of. Maybe a second, longer soft shackle could add a extra level of protection in case things went south. Just thinking out loud. And Anodizing is just on the surface, but its super super hard. Some coloured anodizing isnt great, but they must have got a pretty decent job done on it. thanks for showing that though its a pretty cool idea.
That black saver bit on the rope is supposed to be the bit that goes around the winch drum, it’s a heat shield to keep the rope from melting to the drum when it heats up from the breaks.
One thing also is winches “max” rating are done on the drum spool with one layer of cable/rope. More line used will get to the max rating. Having a snatch block allows you to run out more cable/rope. Having like 5 layers of rope can drop winch pull capacity by 50%
Your Mechanical advantage math is off. The 2:1 in this video reduces the load in half. 5 strands is a 5:1 and reduces the load to 1/5. Not decreasing capacity, but load on winch. Also the higher the MA the slower the load moves. in 2:1 20 feet retrieved is 10 feet of movement. in a 5:1 20 feet retrieved 4 feet of movement.
I like the idea! Only problem is, imagine something happens to the soft shackle and the ring turns into a projectile. And $125 for an aluminum ring is nuts!
Duty cycle is an amount of time on the motor operation. So if the duty cycle is 10 minutes then you would use the motor to pull for 2 minutes and let it cool for 8 before using it again for another 2 minutes. I don’t know the duty cycle of your winch, but you get the idea
With 18 of those snatch blocks you could pull the truck with one hand while drinking a beer. I’ve seen a good video by the army engineer Corp they use that method to recovery their big trucks
These rings are called low friction rings in the sailing world. You can find max break strength of 14080 lbs for $27 on WestMarine. This is the problem with the off road community. Lots of stuff gets re-branded from other sports and sold for a premium because it has "off road" or "overland" on it. Same with "soft shackles". The sailing community has been using these for ages and people are acting like it is a miracle. The rope on most winches is just Amsteel blue / Dyneema (12 strand with a 1" tubular webbing ) and can be bought at stores like WestMarine. Learn how to splice your own winch ropes and you can save some $$$ for more trips!
When a company over price their items by 4x, they force us to buy Chinese,. I would pay 30 for that circle of aluminum from USA, no way I will pay 50 when the Chinese will offer it for 20. No way that basic piece of aluminum cost that much to make when you consider an ar15 reciever, 10x more complex and forged cost less than a basic donut of aluminum. I buy USA every chance I get.....to a point.
$50 US for the piece of aluminum with no moving parts... Ranger sells a lightweight snatch block with a pulley, grease fitting flip open style for 39$ Canadian on amazon.. and even thats a little steep.. could have 2 of those which havee 10x the manufacturing cost each for the same price much more durable and compatible with steel or synthetic rated at 10ton working load
Agreed, that's why I build everything myself. Even an AR lower out of aluminum. This video must be for those people that can't do anything for themselves and have to buy other people's sh**
@MoneyPit Jku I think you're confusing Nationalism and Jingoism. It's not about extremist ideology. It's about trying to support the most local business you can for the sake of keeping your own economy (the one you have to live in) strong. Supporting US companies isn't about political theatrics. It's about keeping Americans working, rather than having to collect government aid. Furthermore, it puts more money into said programs, for the sake of helping those who _do_ need it. Call it what you want but the fact is, spending your money in your own Country (whenever possible) has obvious benefits over buying from whoever has the lowest price tag. "Nationalism is -not- a logical economic way to spend one's money." FTFY
My understanding for Duty cycle on a welder is if it's 40% that means 4 out of 10 minutes. So 20% on a winch would be 2 minutes pulling and 8 minutes cooling that's 10 minutes total then start over again. This is assuming it's the same as a welder
Going back to a much earlier video, Matt said no one would carry 3 snatch blocks to be able to set up a reverse winch. With these being so small and light that would be much for likley
20% duty cycle of the winch means that, for example, for every 10 minute time period, you should only use the winch 2 of those ten minutes. Minutes is not the key, but knowing when and for how long to rest the winch is.
Ok in all seriousness, n hear me out, I think the mini bike hooked to the winch might be a new way to ditch a trench to put wires underground. Awesome review also
We tested the Red Winches version of these vs the ARB snatch block with a load cell. The traditional snatch block lost 6% and the snatch ring over 60%....
Great vid! Two things I think you should have done differently though... -should have sanded down the drum from all the knicks of the steel cable. -spool synthetic line messy so it can't pull between itself on a tough pull
jimmy d Rather then spooling it neatly like a traditional cable, you want to take wide sweeps with synthetic. The synthetic can* sink down into the layer below it and make your life absolute hell. Optimally you would spool every layer (but the first) criss-cross at an angle of about 30 deg. You do not want the top layer to creap through to the lower layers, jamming. I had it happen to me from spooling it near and perfect. Ended up spinning the drum while the rope stayed out getting tighter and tighter. Hard to explain but she snapped... Ever since I've had no issues using it this way
Hmmm interesting theory I race winch challenges over here in Australia and everyone spools it on neatly under alot of load ideally to keep the drum small if that makes sense and we can maximise the amount of rope that goes on
jimmy d hmm that is a good point. Honestly whether I have it neat or messy I can still got about the same 100ft on mine. There is a tiny difference but not much. Would be interested to see a test between the two methods to see if there is a best way...
Yeah definetly I've got 45 meteres of 11mm rope on my extended drum wich is closer to 150 feet Its rarely all used at some comps we have to winch further then 45 so we have to do 2 pulls I have a truck for getting bind ups out I'll do a short video when I get home shoe you how my navigator does it mid stage We reset the rope after every stage at comps and all ways have tension on the rope when it goes in so it generally spools on good but sometimes can't avoid a long side pull
Those are pretty slick but when you have a split second of slack and the rope comes out of the groove when you still need to pull or at least hold pressure, its a pain.
I'm not longer into off road adventures so I have to live that life through you guys. Forgive and old man who had nothing available but cable...is that rope strong enough to be considered a viable option?
I watched this video after watching a bunch of videos about never doing recovery work with a tow ball. RUclips is trying to confuse me. But I see the light. Or maybe that's the shine of a tow ball flying at my face. 🤷♂️
"Duty cycle" is the calculated safe electrical load on a circuit. 20% duty cycle means 20 seconds of each minute. This is true of welders and various other equipment. Exceeding the duty cycle runs the risk of burning up the windings in the electric motor of the winch.
Anodizing is a chemical treatment to form a protective surface on the metal object to prevent rust and corrosion.. It will wear of in friction areas. It can be reapplied if needed...
Anodizing actually bonds to the metal changing it's color. That's why if you scratch something that is anodized, it will be the same color in the scratch. Anodizing also makes aluminum have less friction. IMO, this won't hurt the rope if you just take care of it.
you need to check your front brakeline flexible section for wear. when you showing the driving / steering shot of tires. your flexible section is getting caught up in the tie rod end as you steer.
Here are the weights (copied from the website for those that are interested) 5 Ton - *4 OZ* - For 3/16 and 1/4 Inch Winch Rope (1500-5000 LB Winches) 10 Ton - *8 OZ* - For 5/16, 3/8 and 7/16 Inch Winch Rope (6000 - 10,000 LB Winches) 24 Ton - *2 LBs* - for 1/2 and 5/8 Winch Rope (10,500 -24,000 LB Winches)
The duty cycle is based off a 10 min period. So if it's a 20% duty cycle then you will only run the winch for 2 min in a 10 min period. 2 min on, 8 min off. My winch has a like a 60% duty cycle so I can run it 6 min out of a 10 min period. It's very rare that I have to run my winch for longer than that unless I have a lot of line out which doesnt happen often....typically only when I am doing a recovery on another rig rather than pulling myself out.
One snatch does nothing other than allow you to pull from different angles and directions, IT DOES NOT DOUBLE YOUR PULLING POWER! You need 2 snatches to get mechanical advantage
So you're saying if I hook it back to my bumper it does not double my pulling power? I do agree if you hook it to anything else it is just changing the angle.
don't weigh much, price is sweet and imagine what you can do with multiples (at least two). personally, i liked the way you all was getting some elevation on those trees.
To be honest it's a lot easier to move around when needed, as well as there's a huge safety Factor. if it were to break and if it breaks you can just fasten it back together
The coating has anti wear properties that are designed to work with other coatings to prevent wear off. I'm willing to bet that the rope, combined with the coating makes a slippery low friction service even under high PSI
A (metal cable/block) snatch block failed on me recently. I'd only pulled the load for a few minutes before the failure. The pulley was far to hot to touch five minutes after my wife found it 100 feet away from the busted mess.
Great idea but... there is no internal bearing so the frictional load is greater than a regular snatch block. Now if they made this with a internal bearring youd have something.
duty cycle is explained using time, 100% is 10 minutes, so 20% duty cycle means no more than 2 minutes of straight use before needing to let it cool, same with welding machines.
....Perhaps they could make a hard plastic version, that would be just as tough, with very low "coefficient of friction" (than anodized aluminum)?... (Delrin, or Graphite/Teflon types of material)??...What is the "Maximun" load capacity, of your "weakest link" in this system?!....
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I am a climber and we use this a lot for rescue. Also as a hunter I use this to raise my deer.
Remember there is:
1. Weight of the load
2. Friction of the load (tires on gravel) 3. Friction of the system (dirt, ice, in/on the rope, snatch block).
Lastly I heard you talking about an angled use of a snatch block and rope. When the angle between your anchor and your snatch block exceeds 90 degrees, your rope is subjected to far more force the larger (more obtuse) the angle is and failure of the rope becomes a concern.
Good video
Show us flipping your rig over and then back onto it’s wheels. ;)
My point zero two.
I think the sleeve in the winch rope was supposed to go in first in the winch, because those first turns are the ones getting hot with the winch heat, and that is what the sleeve is for.
You spoke of winch duty cycle. We used to build and haul portable buildings, up to 16X40, finished out cabins. After burning up a couple motors on our warns we spoke with a guy that sold and serviced them. He recommended continuous duty motors so we had him install them on the winches we used to load and unload the buildings. No more burnt up motors. No more waiting for them to cool off. We had researched hydraulic winches but decided against them. Reason being, those things are pull monsters and we were concerned that if things got in a bind we would damage the buildings before the winch loaded to the point that we would know there was a problem. Enjoyed the video, I was sceptical until I saw it in action. You do know there is an old school method to get a 4 line pull with just 2 single snatch blocks, right?
Aluminum dissipates heat rapidly! Great demo and snatch donut I’m gonna be buying a few of those!!! Thanks for sharing!!! Sweeet
Howdy neighbor from Roane Co. and yes. If your winch is rated for a 20% duty cycle it is 1 minute on 4 minutes off. Yes the doughnut will cause additional wear on the soft shackles, but if you inspect your equipment regularly and use safe and proper rigging, it is perfectly safe.
You two are crazy. Great RUclipsrs and the perfect dudes to be wheeling with on the trails.
for that duty cycle thing i was look at your winch. it can run for 15 minutes before it gets to hot, but just say you did, you would have to wait 2 hours before you would get another 15 minute pull, but you waited an hour, you could get another 7 minutes. if you can add cooling fins thats a whole new ball game
Don't forget that if your own car slides forward because of the winch. Then it is good to be able to put one of the ends in, for example, a tree next to your own car to prevent it from sliding away towards what you are trying to pull.
I got Snatch Blocked way to many times in high school .
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I was gonna say that
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More snatch blocks increase you mechanical advantage which in this scenario is not really the advantage a highschooler is looking for...
You multiply the winches pulling ability by 2x. So a 8,000lb winch can now pull 16,000lbs. The rigging doesn't have extra strain on it. The rigging will have the same load on it as the original weight, the load placed on the rigging doesn't change. It now takes less force to move the same load with a 2 part line.
the " rope" the pulley is on does need to handle 16,000 lbs. and what ever it is attacked to,
The load doesn't change. The weight of whatever youre moving never changes. The stresses placed on rigging equipment goes down based on number of line parts. More line parts, less stress on each individual line.
The block will obviously need to be rated for the load being moved.
@@wheels.and.wrenches so, that's you agreeing that the rope that the pulley is spinning around on needs to support any increase in load
M Barilla the load changes on the block. You have the rope to the winch pulling 8000lbs and the rope from the second point of attachment pulling 8000 + (10% for friction on a regular block) so the block and everything behind it is being pulled with 16000 pounds of force. So all your rigging at that point needs to be rated for a min of 16800lbs. Rigging 101.
Dyneema rope is tough stuff. First time you scratch that snatch block you better sand it smooth or toss it tho.
Or get mud on the soft shackle
I’ve never thought of this. I’ve been using x rings doing tree work for years. This is a bigger version. Imagine dropping logs and how fast the rope moves through the rings. No wear after years of use.
Every recovery demo must involve a beer. Adds credibility. 😎
If that soft shackle were to break for whatever reason, i would be worried about that party pulley, leaving the rope completely like its own projectile. Could add an extra level of danger, just something to be aware of. Maybe a second, longer soft shackle could add a extra level of protection in case things went south. Just thinking out loud. And Anodizing is just on the surface, but its super super hard. Some coloured anodizing isnt great, but they must have got a pretty decent job done on it. thanks for showing that though its a pretty cool idea.
That black saver bit on the rope is supposed to be the bit that goes around the winch drum, it’s a heat shield to keep the rope from melting to the drum when it heats up from the breaks.
Pretty sure it's to protect against rocks or trees when you have to go over an obstacle like a rock ledge.
One thing also is winches “max” rating are done on the drum spool with one layer of cable/rope. More line used will get to the max rating. Having a snatch block allows you to run out more cable/rope. Having like 5 layers of rope can drop winch pull capacity by 50%
Your Mechanical advantage math is off. The 2:1 in this video reduces the load in half. 5 strands is a 5:1 and reduces the load to 1/5. Not decreasing capacity, but load on winch. Also the higher the MA the slower the load moves. in 2:1 20 feet retrieved is 10 feet of movement. in a 5:1 20 feet retrieved 4 feet of movement.
I love the old overhead winch, they are so fast. I had a 8724 I miss
I like the idea! Only problem is, imagine something happens to the soft shackle and the ring turns into a projectile. And $125 for an aluminum ring is nuts!
Duty cycle is an amount of time on the motor operation. So if the duty cycle is 10 minutes then you would use the motor to pull for 2 minutes and let it cool for 8 before using it again for another 2 minutes. I don’t know the duty cycle of your winch, but you get the idea
Which is gonna move? The jeep, the truck, or THE BALL. lol
@SmarterEveryDay Did someone say snatch block?
Eric Poindexter SNATCH BLOCK!!!!!!
How does it block a snatch with a big hole in the middle?
That video is the whole reason why I clicked on this one; haha.
@@benevolenthighwayman882 LMFAO
@@lancec1463 ditto
Duty cycle usually is in 10 minuet blocks. So 80/20 would be 8 minuets of cool down to 2 minuets of use.
What's the specs on this stuff?
I'm interested in the WLL of the soft shackle, rope, and snatch block/pulley.
Please
12:50 At this point I finally understand that he is talking about saving weight that you will have to carry yourself not saving wait on your rig
Both!
All three
My buddy has been making those out of delrin for at least 5 years. I guess people finally took notice of what he had.
Delrin! Tougher than woodpecker lips!
With 18 of those snatch blocks you could pull the truck with one hand while drinking a beer. I’ve seen a good video by the army engineer Corp they use that method to recovery their big trucks
These rings are called low friction rings in the sailing world. You can find max break strength of 14080 lbs for $27 on WestMarine. This is the problem with the off road community. Lots of stuff gets re-branded from other sports and sold for a premium because it has "off road" or "overland" on it. Same with "soft shackles". The sailing community has been using these for ages and people are acting like it is a miracle. The rope on most winches is just Amsteel blue / Dyneema (12 strand with a 1" tubular webbing ) and can be bought at stores like WestMarine. Learn how to splice your own winch ropes and you can save some $$$ for more trips!
Thanks, both. Don't need at present, but may come in handy
Thanks for the heads-up. These are so overpriced as sold to the offroad community, so I will look into the marine option and get a few.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video probably way more than I should have. Made me laugh multiple times yet very informative...subscribed!
Awesome lolol
When a company over price their items by 4x, they force us to buy Chinese,. I would pay 30 for that circle of aluminum from USA, no way I will pay 50 when the Chinese will offer it for 20. No way that basic piece of aluminum cost that much to make when you consider an ar15 reciever, 10x more complex and forged cost less than a basic donut of aluminum. I buy USA every chance I get.....to a point.
$50 US for the piece of aluminum with no moving parts... Ranger sells a lightweight snatch block with a pulley, grease fitting flip open style for 39$ Canadian on amazon.. and even thats a little steep.. could have 2 of those which havee 10x the manufacturing cost each for the same price much more durable and compatible with steel or synthetic rated at 10ton working load
Agreed, that's why I build everything myself. Even an AR lower out of aluminum.
This video must be for those people that can't do anything for themselves and have to buy other people's sh**
@@leglamps it's an aluminum donut
Yes yes yes
@MoneyPit Jku I think you're confusing Nationalism and Jingoism. It's not about extremist ideology. It's about trying to support the most local business you can for the sake of keeping your own economy (the one you have to live in) strong. Supporting US companies isn't about political theatrics. It's about keeping Americans working, rather than having to collect government aid. Furthermore, it puts more money into said programs, for the sake of helping those who _do_ need it.
Call it what you want but the fact is, spending your money in your own Country (whenever possible) has obvious benefits over buying from whoever has the lowest price tag.
"Nationalism is -not- a logical economic way to spend one's money." FTFY
Great way to snap the parking pin in that F350.
AimlessMoto it’s a Ford it’s gonna be broke this afternoon no matter what LMAO 😂!!!
AimlessMoto thinking the exact same thing, came to the comments to see if I was the only one and this is the first comment I saw!!
E braked it ?????!!!!!
standard trans
Yeah rip park pawl
This is really great. I wonder how much more it would cost to manufacture if the whole thing was also a bearing.
It would be cool..
I love how he explains while holding a beer:)
Didnt realise how much fun you could have with a snatch block. What type of plastic is that one in the vid made from? It looks solid.
It would be annodized aluminum
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Jeep replied, “C’mere gah dammit”
Duty cycle applies to the winch motor. the snatch block and soft shackle combination are are great innovation
Who doesn't love some new snatch !!!!!!! 🤔🤔🤔
Smaller lighter snatch !!
My understanding for Duty cycle on a welder is if it's 40% that means 4 out of 10 minutes.
So 20% on a winch would be 2 minutes pulling and 8 minutes cooling that's 10 minutes total then start over again. This is assuming it's the same as a welder
Going back to a much earlier video, Matt said no one would carry 3 snatch blocks to be able to set up a reverse winch. With these being so small and light that would be much for likley
That was a good video
I carry 4 snatch blocks and 12 shackles lol
That old winch is a beast!
14:10.The official way beepinjeep tills the ground
Shortly after I met my wife I told her, “everywhere I look is your greatest feature.” I should have saved that line for your Jeep.
The Ford's poor parking paw
“We got the mini bike for recovery” love it lol
20% duty cycle of the winch means that, for example, for every 10 minute time period, you should only use the winch 2 of those ten minutes. Minutes is not the key, but knowing when and for how long to rest the winch is.
Ok in all seriousness, n hear me out, I think the mini bike hooked to the winch might be a new way to ditch a trench to put wires underground. Awesome review also
Sold. Ordering mine now. Thanks as always with the real world product review.
Perfect Excuse for a Jeep, Winch, and a Mini Bike! Solid excuses for the wife now perfect! Lol
We tested the Red Winches version of these vs the ARB snatch block with a load cell. The traditional snatch block lost 6% and the snatch ring over 60%....
That's crazy, just watched the video. I'll deffinetly be sticking to the old classic.
if u got a warn winch its ok.
@@hickstylez we used a warn in the testing!
I was just scrolling thru the comments to see how much the friction effected mechanical advantage
@@alabastardmasterson 61% for the snatch ring, so instead of the theoretical 2:1 you get a MA of about 1.4:1.
I have 2 and love them I drove a tow truck and we had 200 feet of rop on them and I used them with it
Seems like a great product! I dont see why you couldn't run a steel cable around it in a jam... Because it'll get worn faster or?
Ya, steel on aluminum would be rough!
@@bleepinjeep so what about the same style snatch block is that one but made out of steel?
the soft shackle is the part that will suffer from friction heat. Still, a great idea and a good addition to my recovery gear.
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Crocs and socks!! AWESOME!!!
Great vid!
Two things I think you should have done differently though...
-should have sanded down the drum from all the knicks of the steel cable.
-spool synthetic line messy so it can't pull between itself on a tough pull
I don't get the spool synthetic line on messy care to elaborate
jimmy d
Rather then spooling it neatly like a traditional cable, you want to take wide sweeps with synthetic. The synthetic can* sink down into the layer below it and make your life absolute hell.
Optimally you would spool every layer (but the first) criss-cross at an angle of about 30 deg. You do not want the top layer to creap through to the lower layers, jamming.
I had it happen to me from spooling it near and perfect. Ended up spinning the drum while the rope stayed out getting tighter and tighter. Hard to explain but she snapped... Ever since I've had no issues using it this way
Hmmm interesting theory
I race winch challenges over here in Australia and everyone spools it on neatly under alot of load ideally to keep the drum small if that makes sense and we can maximise the amount of rope that goes on
jimmy d hmm that is a good point. Honestly whether I have it neat or messy I can still got about the same 100ft on mine. There is a tiny difference but not much. Would be interested to see a test between the two methods to see if there is a best way...
Yeah definetly
I've got 45 meteres of 11mm rope on my extended drum wich is closer to 150 feet
Its rarely all used at some comps we have to winch further then 45 so we have to do 2 pulls
I have a truck for getting bind ups out I'll do a short video when I get home shoe you how my navigator does it mid stage
We reset the rope after every stage at comps and all ways have tension on the rope when it goes in so it generally spools on good but sometimes can't avoid a long side pull
Those are pretty slick but when you have a split second of slack and the rope comes out of the groove when you still need to pull or at least hold pressure, its a pain.
I'm not longer into off road adventures so I have to live that life through you guys. Forgive and old man who had nothing available but cable...is that rope strong enough to be considered a viable option?
Its actually 10 times stronger than steel.
wyattoneable most power companies are switching all their big line trucks to synthetic
Honestly, they COULD put a ball bearing in that thing to reduce the friction, but it would eliminate the elegant simplicity of this.
It would Be cool..
They have one with a ball bearing now.
Your T-shirt is cool. It blows me away.
Hahaha!!
I watched this video after watching a bunch of videos about never doing recovery work with a tow ball. RUclips is trying to confuse me. But I see the light. Or maybe that's the shine of a tow ball flying at my face. 🤷♂️
Haha!!
Anodized is a colored oxide layer its different but as far as depth its basically painted
"Duty cycle" is the calculated safe electrical load on a circuit. 20% duty cycle means 20 seconds of each minute. This is true of welders and various other equipment. Exceeding the duty cycle runs the risk of burning up the windings in the electric motor of the winch.
One thing: 20% duty cycle means 20% of each minute, yes, but that's 12 seconds.
Nice! Y’all do good vids, both wheeling and knowledge ones!
Anodizing is a chemical treatment to form a protective surface on the metal object to prevent rust and corrosion.. It will wear of in friction areas. It can be reapplied if needed...
Anodizing actually bonds to the metal changing it's color. That's why if you scratch something that is anodized, it will be the same color in the scratch. Anodizing also makes aluminum have less friction. IMO, this won't hurt the rope if you just take care of it.
you need to check your front brakeline flexible section for wear. when you showing the driving / steering shot of tires. your flexible section is getting caught up in the tie rod end as you steer.
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Neat Video. Anodization is always on the outside, it's just a dyed layer of aluminum oxide - I probably missed a joke though, haha.
Had a couple friends that were Snatch Blockers 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Here are the weights (copied from the website for those that are interested)
5 Ton - *4 OZ* - For 3/16 and 1/4 Inch Winch Rope (1500-5000 LB Winches)
10 Ton - *8 OZ* - For 5/16, 3/8 and 7/16 Inch Winch Rope (6000 - 10,000 LB Winches)
24 Ton - *2 LBs* - for 1/2 and 5/8 Winch Rope (10,500 -24,000 LB Winches)
The duty cycle is based off a 10 min period. So if it's a 20% duty cycle then you will only run the winch for 2 min in a 10 min period. 2 min on, 8 min off. My winch has a like a 60% duty cycle so I can run it 6 min out of a 10 min period. It's very rare that I have to run my winch for longer than that unless I have a lot of line out which doesnt happen often....typically only when I am doing a recovery on another rig rather than pulling myself out.
This guy is awesome and a great addition to the BJ team. badass jeep too!
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Informative... Thanks guys I think I'll get s couple and save some weight as I already have soft Shackles 👍🏻
wish you could demonstrate how to set that up for pulling an sideways turned vehicle. I'm trying to picture it in my head how to set it up but....
the party snatch block.. loved it!
Try the soft shackle the other way, less wear on fibers just a thought
Nice..👍
Hey Jeremy it’d be cool to see a tour of your shop!
Can you run double blocks on single ropes? What are the max number you can stack on? Thanks
Always good to have a Jeep that can winch a dually 1 ton 🤣🤣
I love the disclaimer!!! The video was also good.
Nice video! I have been looking at those. What is your thoughts as longer use has prevailed since?
I saw this stuff in overland expo... great but damaging softshackle. Add dirt, mud and tear to this...
Smarter Every Day just did a great video in snatch block physics!
Cool..🤘
Curious what would happen when the rope was covered in abrasive mud.
Matt , I bet you never imagined that one day you would be on video playing with jeremy’s ring 😳🤣😂
One snatch does nothing other than allow you to pull from different angles and directions, IT DOES NOT DOUBLE YOUR PULLING POWER! You need 2 snatches to get mechanical advantage
nick hickcox only person I’ve seen oh here that understands pulleys
So you're saying if I hook it back to my bumper it does not double my pulling power? I do agree if you hook it to anything else it is just changing the angle.
Yup. Only changing direction in his demo
Nice "classic" Warn winch. Don't see too many of those, these days. Not even the "reissue".
Always poppin up on Craigslist for sale... just not a price i would even pay for
Warn model 8274
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don't weigh much, price is sweet and imagine what you can do with multiples (at least two). personally, i liked the way you all was getting some elevation on those trees.
You can winch your own vehicle out in reverse using 3 snatch blocks and 3 trees.
Ok please tell me the benefits of rope. I cant understand why someone would downgrade there winch unless it was a cheap replacement for a fix
To be honest it's a lot easier to move around when needed, as well as there's a huge safety Factor. if it were to break and if it breaks you can just fasten it back together
@@jeremyrose7541 ok makes sense
The coating has anti wear properties that are designed to work with other coatings to prevent wear off. I'm willing to bet that the rope, combined with the coating makes a slippery low friction service even under high PSI
Pour some water on it just to wet the rope and test the temp. Or use that miller lite in your hand.
The transmission on the dully was not liking that. Lol. I really like that snatchblock I’ll be picking a couple up. Never mind, I have steel cable :(
Is there a bearing in there? I'd imagine that friction causing some losses
A (metal cable/block) snatch block failed on me recently. I'd only pulled the load for a few minutes before the failure. The pulley was far to hot to touch five minutes after my wife found it 100 feet away from the busted mess.
Awesome video as usual.maybe I can get to one of the group rides you have.
*DAMN OK RUclips I'LL WATCH IT*
Custom Splice is da bomb!
Why dont they put a rooler bearing inside the block to prevent wear on the ropshackle?
That jeep must be really squirrelly at highway speeds with those tires.
Pretty badass though.
No it does fine at highway speeds! But I will say it's always strapped down to a trailer behind my truck LOL
@@jeremyrose7541 what tires do you have on that Jeep man
Mickey Thompson Baja Pro x 43 sticky
Sweet thanks man
Duty cycle is for your electric winch motor.
Great idea but... there is no internal bearing so the frictional load is greater than a regular snatch block. Now if they made this with a internal bearring youd have something.
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It will cool batter with some holes like brake discs
duty cycle is explained using time, 100% is 10 minutes, so 20% duty cycle means no more than 2 minutes of straight use before needing to let it cool, same with welding machines.
....Perhaps they could make a hard plastic version, that would be just as tough, with very low "coefficient of friction" (than anodized aluminum)?... (Delrin, or Graphite/Teflon types of material)??...What is the "Maximun" load capacity, of your "weakest link" in this system?!....
Anything is possible..🤘
Thank you for another Great video and great info. I’m curious what tires the cubby chaser is running?
Mickey Thompson Baja Pro X
When you bought that Warn winch it said do not lift humans. But you did show us how to drink Beer and drive.
Lolol😆😂