I am aware that a pair of these 8F's were found on the wreck of the S.S. Thistlegorm , the wreck is a popular diving attraction and next to the smashed up hull of the ship are the remains of two of the 8F's, sadly they are largely destroyed but the front of the engine's smokeboxes are largely intact. you can look up the wreck and find images of them for those who are interested.
@@TimCan144 yeah the explosion was so powerful it launched the 8F’s off the deck into the ocean. Their tenders stayed on deck, and sank with the vessel, where they still remain.
I have Hornby 8F from about 2000 or so and it is brilliant, I’ve had her clanking away quite happily on trains of up to 21 or so Box Vans and the gradients on my layout aren’t that generous either! One of my favourites that always has a run whenever I’m having a railway operating session
Fun fact: a good number of these were bought by the LNER during service, and theoretically it wouldn't be unrealistic to see this in a livery like LNER Black.
@@SamsTrains the LNER also classified their samples as the class O6. The 8F is an important part of Hornby’s range and I wish I had one, my favourite liveries are the LMS ones, pre or post war ones and BR late crest. Looks like your sample is a post war liveried version because I think in 1946 the number and lettering were simplified. Nice review Sam, enjoyed it as always. Take care, Dan.
Every time I heard the 3D printer going in the background I looked over at mine, even though it isn't printing at the moment. Kind of interesting how a 2-8-0 was a rather heavy freight locomotive so late in the UK while in the US heavy freight had already moved to 2-8-2's by the first world war and to 4-8-4's and articulateds by the time the 8F was designed. Bigger continent and more people means more freight, I guess.
haha yeah... it's a parental instinct isn't it? I think that's exactly it - the US were quite ahead of us on steam weren't they? Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Nah. It just means that British engines were designed better and could pull more wagons than American locos. :-) Mechanical stokers are far less efficient than the good old fireman with a shovel. A lot of the coal isn't burned properly. That's why you see so much black smoke from locos such as the Big Boy.
Interesting to see you do this, I just covered 8Fs in a recent video. A flywheel is unlikely to stop low speed cogging, what is needed is a greater gear reduction! something like 80-1.
Interesting: I wonder if an 80:1 reduction would overload the motor????? Does increasing the ratio increase friction? The factory specifications are for this motor in this setting. It is subjective, but on a layout the performance looks acceptable at slow speed; THOUGH, what Sam has not let us see is the loco starting at a crawl and then 'climbing out', and after that with a load. Often locos start like this and then, when crossing the interface between cogging to start and main sequence running, jump like a scalded kat. Also, the point about running in is not how a machine operates soon after: leave it a week after running in and t-h-e-n see how it goes. In my unimportant experience running in makes no difference, and to quote Chalmers Watt 'wearing in is the first stage of wearing out'. Thanks to both Sam and Mike for adding something to my modelling enjoyment - I trust my parrot scratchings similarly add to yours. Also MIke: I too have had nothing positive from fly wheels. But again: that is only my limited inexpert experience in my limited applications. I must ask a real mechanical engineer. Peter T
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Not so sure Sam. I was hoping my note, if still read so long after the original post, might prod an engineer in the audience. I know a mech. engineer; shall ask him. He will probably say higher ratio is harder to drive, but not enough to make a definitive difference. After enjoying your video on remotoring I looked up to see what was listed by Canon under electric motors. Goodness knows what the impressive lineup costs. A while ago one of the MRJ authors reported a quartering problem with the 8F. Looking for evidence of that was one of the reasons I had hoped to see the slow to operational speed 'climb-out' I mentioned. Stay Well: PeterT
@@petert9749 how can't you understand ratios? Less load on a motor if it geared lower. 80:1 is lower than 40:1 by 2x! This is 2x less load or effort required by the motor every revolution of the driver wheels, understand now? When working out gear ratios, the first number is the input side and the second number the output side. A 1:80 ratio would mean the motor does 1 revolution for 80 of the drivers as opposed to a 80:1 with the motor doing 80 revolutions to 1 of the drivers. Hope I've cleared things up for you 🙂
As you said it was a very popular Loco during the ww11 and some were leased out to the LNER as they were running short of Heavy Freight Loco. They did buy them outright after the war. I do want to buy the LNER version but as usual, I will have to keep an eye out for a cheap one. Martin. (Thailand)
The 2-8-0 Consolidation was THE generic freight steamer in the US in the first half of the 20th century. With its outside cylinders and cab (and excluding the tender wheel arrangement and buffers), the 8F would look right at home here across The Pond. We would have to attach a pilot and headlamp though, as our right of ways can attract undesired, ahhh, creatures.
My model of the 8F is actually the LNER O6 version, the old type with loco-mounted 8-pin socket and sprung tender connections. It runs well, if a little noisy. It's a reasonable loco, but my heljan o2 actually outperforms it in smoothness and haulage power. I am tempted to get a BR black 8F though (probably with the cabside yellow stripe). Interesting font used for the numbers. I guess it's the same font as used on more prestigious locos but without the shading. Amusing that both your 8Fs have issues with their pony trucks, yet LNER solved the issues of the V2 pony trucks based on their experience on building the 8Fs for the WD. Also amusing is that the LNER O6s were a LMS design built by the SR (at Brighton Works) for the LNER. So awesome to see a heavy freight on your layout actually hauling a heavy freight train.
Hi Sam, I have an older issue 8F, purchased 'new' in the last 2 years, and it's super-smooth at all power settings, no 'visible cogging'. One thing you may want to consider verifying and Hornby have been guilty on MANY of my purchases is poorly set-up tender pickups - incapable of collecting with wheels at close to their extremes. It may possibly be a paranoia to minimise tender drag, optimise hauling power. I often have one, perhaps 2 or 3 even of the wheel sets incapable to collect / transmit power, so have to remove the keeper, then use tweezers to tweak the position, so that light contact is made in every wheel displacement. Al.
Thanks for sharing Alan - yes that does seem to be quite common - as with the A4s, maybe the latest Hornby motors/locos just don't run as well as they used to? Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I've had a few problems trying to get Britannia smooth. I'm not certain if it's rod interference, tight spots in rods, or even slop in the running gear. I had a problem with a new-tooling Duchess of Hamilton, which I resolved by re-quartering 2 axles. This may be a production quartering issue even? Al.
Hornby 8f is more like 40years old, massive improvements over the years but the basic body molding dates back to tender drive early 80s days, this only got a loco drive about 20 years ago! The firebox is open because in their tender drive days they used to have a flickering light and smoke generator so I’m pretty sure it’s chassis was shared with the old tender drive 28xx! I picked up a DCC fitted one a few weeks ago albeit second hand for £60 and I’m happy with that.
Good review I am leaning to locos without too much detail now as bits fall off when you handle the super detailed ones Keep up the good work I want a black five and 8F now after watching your review
Some of the 8Fs were built at both Doncaster and Darlington works and the LNER ran these during WW2 and they appeared in unlined wartime black with NE on the tender sides. These were LNER class O6. After WW2 the Doncaster and Darlington 8Fs (O6s) were absorbed into the LMS. One of the preserved 8Fs is Darlington built. Hornby did previously produce this loco in LNER wartime black. I have one in a box somewhere.
a classic staple of many layouts circa 1940 - 1960, I have several for my steam depot, all run really well and smoothly, and rarely, if ever give problems, they look best when well weathered down as per the prototypes in later day British railways service
Old video, new comment! The 8F is the equivalent of the Pennsylvania Railroad H series Consolidation. Starting with the H1 and going to the H10, they were the most populous freight engine in the Pennsy system. Some 3500 Consolidations worked the system over the years. They featured the Pennsy standard Belpaire firebox, in common with British Locomotives and over the years hauled everything from freight to light local passenger trains
Hi Sam ... enjoyed your review very much. Just this past week I unboxed this very model and can pass on a my observation regarding some points you touched on in the video. First (and most disappointingly) straight out of the box the model would not stay on the track when crossing any point work (PECO 100). A quick check on the bench and the front pony wheels were significantly too close together (Back to Back measurement out). All the driver wheels and tender wheels checked out fine (using NMRA gauge). I was able to remove the front pony and adjust the back to back (gentle tugging while rotating the wheel on the axle). I think the B2B gapping is clearly a QC issue and I feel for a newcomer to the hobby as some 'tribal knowledge' is required here not to mention a set of 'standard gauges' (or calipers) to test against. After addressing this it revealed the second issue - the lack of downward pressure on these wheels which you had pointed out. This issue is clearly 'poor design' since these wheels only need to pivot up and down without carrying any weight as such. (edit: What I did was put a Kadee red washer (.015 in thick) over each of the two pivot posts for the pony bogie, and then reinstalled the bogie. By putting the bogie 15 thou lower this cured it.) In terms of general operating the model runs very well. Adding a DCC decoder was very straight forward and not something for anyone to be worried about. A pleasant surprise was the rear NEM coupling specifically that it was the right height for Kadee conversion (I used a Kadee #20). Overall very happy - it looks and behaves the part and assuming I get the front wheels sorted I think it will do fine.
Good review Sam, not sure how anybody can be confused when, as you eloquently put, a 20 year old loco being sold at current costs is fair game to compare to a current loco being sold at the same current costs. Keep it up 👍
Great video on the 8F, one did get repatriated from Turkey and restored to service in the UK and you would definitely be surprised that the 8Fs wore cowcatchers in Turkey as well, the other 8F that survives underwater near the sunken SS Thistlegorm wreck with only the smokebox section of the being the only surviving component due to rust eating the entire loco overtime. The 8Fs are definitely regarded as one of the best wartime locos ever built. I must also add the reducing quality and jacking up prices part you stated in the A4 Mallard review video many videos ago reminds me of another recently defunct model train manufacturer in the US that stated that anyone calling them out on their poor quality and increased prices of their model trains would have their warranty void on the spot, the same applying for anyone abusing their customer service staff and customer support staff as well as part of their so called approach to zero tolerance for abuse towards their staff. Any chance you’ll review the Accurascale GWR Manor class once it gets released?
Excellent review. Always find your videos really interesting and enjoyable even though i moved to 0 Gauge some years ago… although you do do some 0 gauge reviews as well which is great.. I fondlly remember my Hornby Dublo and Wrenn 8fs….. fortunately 8fs have now appeared in 0 gauge and they are lovely in the large scale. I confess I have 5 in various liveries, including my favourite in Maroon. I was lucky to spend a day driving a real one in the same livery on the Loughborough railway. Wonderful experience. One of the 8Fs came in a kit form which brought a whole new meaning to your oft used phrase ˋseparately fitted detailˋ as one had to put these on oneself!
Hi Sam, This seems a winner to me even for a +20 years old design. Reading some comments confirm it's a reliable engine and as you demonstrated a good and smooth runner. Cab details, well I'm nothing missing there since I prefer to put a ' crew' inside and it's difficult to see anyway. Performance / value is in balance and I guess adding a TTS decoder will improve the enjoyment. Thanks for reviewing. Cheers
The reason why Stanier 8F ended up with LNER and GWR was that upon outbreak of WW2 then the WD standardised on the loco as the standard freight engine to be used, and couldn’t meet demand from usual LMS sources. As such many engines built and even recquisitioned by the WD which with the need for freight in the LNER and GWR area’s lead to them being loaned out to the LNER and GWR. After the 8F then the WD settled on a simpler WD 2-8-0 8F that simpler and cheaper to make before moving onto the WD 2-10-0
I bought a previous tender-disconnectable 8F with the intention of using it as a base to build a OO scale Victorian Railways(Aus) K Class but I'm almost not sure I want to keep going with that now, I might put it back together and leave it as is
Hi Sam ✋ I must admit I love 8Fs and I have 3 of them…and it could so easily be more if I didn’t have at least a little constraint! 😅 I have two of the older versions from (I think) the late 80s/ early 90s. They have “Firebox glow” which of course excited me no end when I got the first one in about 1996, which was early crest BR black. The second one I bought was one of the newer loco drive models and is actually an LNER O6 variant, which I got cheap simply because one part of the connecting rods was a bit wonky. Annoyingly, it soon developed a problem with the gearing which I have never got around to solving (thanks for the reminder!) and so I never fixed the rod either 🙄 Then the third was another old school tender drive one in pristine condition (With Firebox glow of course!) but this time in later crest BR Black which I picked up on a wave of nostalgia in 2019 for £40 at The Great Central Railway.😜 I always loved my original 8F and found it remarkably reliable and powerful if serviced properly. There was a wee issue with conductivity but that was solved with a good old fashioned Heath Robinson bodge by fitting a strip of tin foil across the driving wheel axles which transformed its performance 😎 Funnily enough, I still haven’t got around to running the other one 🤔 Ah well, there’s my excuse to get the test track out again 😎🍾 Cheers mate, enjoyed that. Not a bad model for what you paid I’d say 👍🍀🍻
The whistle is plastic, you can see with the finish and what you said about the prise and what it looks like was very helpful as I was looking for a 8F
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I think stating that the Tooling for the particular model dates back to 2002 (in the case of the 8F, I think some of the tooling dates back to the super detail tender drive version) would make things far clearer. I've had a couple of 8F's (Hornby did the GWR built version) on the workbench for clients, both are excellent runners (R2394's). Finally be careful what you say about modellers buying loco's at RRP, as they are usually ones who prefer to go to a bricks and mortar model shop (when possible) and see a loco running before buying it and have the deep pockets to pay that price and get the decent runners.
Hi Just got the R30282 BR version today which I think is their latest. Cheapest I could find was £187 plus post. They havent done any upgrades from yours apart from giving it a 21 pin decoder. Needs a re tool. Cheers
It's strange, my old "Super Detail" 8F seems to crawl much smoother than this, and obviously it doesn't have a flywheel or anything. That said I did spend hours messing with it since it seems the coating on one of the motor magnets disintegrated. I'd be interested to see if there are any differences between the motor of the older 8F vs. the "new" 8F.
Yeah that's quite common - the latest runs of older Hornby locos don't seem to run as well as the older ones... poorer motors maybe? Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hornby LMS class 8F pulling a Passenger Train with 5 non bogi coaches and 5 bogi coaches and then the Heljan LMS Garratt pulling a freight train with all the tankers you have and some flat beds and a break van and ( if you manage to get one ) a Heljan BR class 28 diesel pulling a freight train of all Covered Van wagons. I am still waiting on the BR class 28.
Wow! What a train. I hoped I get to see something like this with the massive train. I like 8F locomotives, Because they are really useful engines in real life. Great video by the way.
The Severn Valley Railway have a 8F and it was shipped to Egypt during the second world war and then returned back to the UK after the war. It did have a funny story that it hit a camel whilst in Egypt and derailed, who knew camels were that solid
Stanier 8F! Aaaaah Sam this is my favorite engine! (idk why but there's just something about 2-8-0s that sticks out to me, or maybe it's just the design of this thing. Whatever the reason, Stanier knew how to add style to an engine!) Thanks Sam! Nice video!
Excellent review once again Sam. Keep it up. Fair and realistically priced at 104 Sterling / 120 Euro for what you get. Could be a tad more refined here and there, but can't really complain for the money. Plastic body with fitted details for a steamer is just fine as long as the chassis is kind of a solid cast block like Fleischmann, Trix/Märklin. If something rubbish you'll get that straight in your face from me as well, lol. Sam, the continental H0 brands (not the Hornby ex continental sub-brands) really do require your microscopic reviews as well, really. ACME, Brawa, Fleischmann, Liliput, Electrotren, Roco, Trix/Märklin... Please, it really is needed the way you do it :)
I agree. I'm also modelling italian trains (mainly Rivarossi by Hornby engines, and Roco), and I would be interested to have a comparison with UK models by someone with a technical eye like Sam.
Decided to look this up, in light of the new release. Which's only difference seems to be a 21-pin socket instead of 8. Question is, if £170 rrp gets 2* on value, how does £250 stand?
I'd like to get one and put it in LMS maroon livery that was on 48624 at the GCR. It looked nice, not prototypical but actually didn't look wrong. Although black is fine. Admittedly it's a class I've never owned
I've got the 2002-released model with the black 5 pole motor and she crawls beautifully. Yours looks like it was released in 2017 or 2018? I wonder if these later 8fs run as well as the 'original' black motor ones!
When I finally got one that works, my 8F was a good runner. However first one was a replacement for broken Battle of Britain which was no longer in stock. It arrived with broken valve gear. The second one arrived with a bent axel and pony wheel that wouldn’t turn. The 3rd one however, has been great. However the cab doors fell off. I’d argue yours didn’t perform perfectly. It’s pony wheels where not turning properly, like mine used too. It’s extremely irritating to see in my opinion.
I bought this model from Hatton's in Nov 2020 for £127.50. I also have a Hornby 8F my father bought in 1960, all die cast including the tender. The motor is so big it fills the cab. Somewhat worn now but still goes. At the time it would have cost about £4 10s (£4.50p). So there's inflation for you.
@@SamsTrains Hi there Sam. Gosh no I paid £109.99 for the loco only. I have had problems. A bolt come out of the wheel/coupling rods mechanism (went back to Hornby under warranty) and it wouldn't take 22 unloaded trucks. It currently hauls 7 trucks but three our tank carriers carrying Sherman tanks and another with a scout car. My older Hornby 8F Lms 8042 hauls 15 trucks filled with coal and iron ore roughly similar weights actually. The older one whines a tad.
@@SamsTrains I've got an idea mate. I think you should do a video of a day out at a heritage railway volunteering there and showing us behind the scenes 😊 I for one would love a video like that
I heard that Bachman made an 8F one that was even in LNER condition which I believe during the war the LNER borrowed an example or two and slapped LNER on the tender(s) and used them probably because the LNER were short on ready to run engines.
I'm a huge LMS fan and that looks beautiful BUT my OCD wouldn't handle those pony wheels. It would go right back to the shop. Peter's score Zero. Sorry Sam. Great video as usual ..... i just don't see that score with non turning wheels 😁
Only just got back into my 00-gauge again have a lot of 50s to late 90s hornby trains but I want a good new hornby loco which is well detailed, powerful and reasonably priced!👍
they are good heavy haulage locos sam i think the great central line has an 8f and they put a rake of wagons behind her and it looked soo good im not too sure if it is the great central thx ben :)
Another good review, thanks. The Stanier 8 was better than your Tango. The mechanisms have definitely improved since Hornby replaced their tender drive locos of which I still have some. They draw far less current.
Beautiful loco, one of my favourites actually. I’m hoping to build one out of lego one day. The sloped boiler would be hard, but I do like a challenge here and there. Thanks for the review Sam :D
no8f yet, but I bought the Cinderella sister the austerity 8fabout 20 years ago. have not run it yet and would have to fit decoder next to run will be a spearmint green t9 and southern suburban coaches as i have 6 and only 2 in BR southern green
That's the same motor my arm c38 had watch the motor bearings as mine gave up after a month came to a complete stop and the bearing had just disintegrated.
There's only 1 RRP, which is set by Hornby. All other prices will be what the retailer want's to / can afford to sell it at. prices for the model tend to be higher on the 2nd hand market as they're harder to get hold of atm due to it not being produced for a lil while.
@@SamsTrains i though you meant, what is the RRP today. thats what i meant by " there is only 1 " as in it's on their site at a biblical price right now ( although sold out ) i'm assumin you're talking about what it was priced many years ago?
@@2Wheels1rider RRP means Recommended Retail Price. That's the price Hornby recommended shops sell at. It's misleading really as very few shops will sell at the RRP. They should change it to List Price - or CAEE - Cheaper Almost Everywhere Else. :-)
Nice looking model. I notice that the builder's plates show 8035 as one of the batch built at the Vulcan Foundry (correctly) and that the tender was built at Crewe. Was this standard LMS practice?
Yes as far as I know. Most locos never carried the same tender throughout their lives. The tenders would usually be swapped out with another when the loco came in the workshop for general maintenance or overhauls. The same thing goes for preserved locos as well. An example being A4 "Union of South Africa" has currently the tender from the W1 "Hush-Hush". The same method applies to boilers as well.
Hi Sam i am impressed by the 8F loco. Too bad about the non turning pony wheel. But i like the black locos they are beautiful in black. Another great video. 👍👍👍👍🇸🇪
I really do like a good 2-8-0, with all those driving wheels and the rods and valve gear going round... I have an embarrassing number myself, maybe I should get them all out and make a short video of them all
@@SamsTrains I did an inventory this morning, it's about 6 (I think that was including an unbuilt kit) - so not hugely embarassing but probably the most well represented wheel configuration in my collection. Except maybe 0-6-0's.
I kinda want to find a 2-8-0 Consolidation in OO scale(or an 8F in HO scale) and stick them side-by-side, this loco really reminds me of the other, even if they look rather different. Although, in part thats because one of my first locomotives was a B&M Consolidation in black w/ white lettering(and that I havent seen it for a few months).
I have this 8F, and three italians 2-8-0 : a gr. 740, a gr. 736 and a gr. 744. You gave me the idea to do this with my british 2-8-0 (LMS 8F, LNER O1 and O4, GWR 2800), just to see what it looks like. I might take some pictures to show the differences...
It's good to see hornby showing off how their older models may not be up to modern standards that they're mechanisms on the other hand are much better than bachman's and heljins will ever will be
Something tells me this model in particular is more suitable for that 149.99 GBP RRP. Even then I wouldn’t pay more than 110 GBP for this. The 8f is an 8f who would’ve thought. What a successful and plentiful LMS design. A design that even LNER fans like me can appreciate. I’m a sucker for the stannier tender. I’d love to make a motorised MOC of this in LEGO
I've tested my model of Princess Elizabeth, without running her in properly, and she moved smoothly and slowly on my railway, straight out of the box. I did a part exchange on her, which got me up to £160. Paul, ever the nice guy, let me take her away for that amount instead of making me pay the full price of £200. So she'll definitely give your LMS 8F a run for his money.
Great review, looks like all the cheap ones have gone. As it is the previous version with an updated tender, you can update your earlier one by just changing the tender bottom to the later one and adding the 4 way lead and connector. I do this with a lot of my Duchess locos to make it easier to fit sound.
I think your review policy is spot-on: if manufacturers are offering locos "brand-new-boxed", then you are right to review them as such. Keep up the good work!
Sam great review I trust in your scores before I go and purchase any trains. I like your videos the best I have tried to watch other videos from different people but they are so boring. I like this engine I will try to buy one. Do you know where I might find one.
@@SamsTrains8F: Good evening, Martin. What are you doing here? Narrator: That evening they lifted Gordon and made a roll of sleepers under his wheels to keep him from the mud. Strong ropes were fastened to his backend. James and Henry pulling hard manage to bring you to safety. Late that night Gordon crawled home, a sadder and wiser engine.
I am aware that a pair of these 8F's were found on the wreck of the S.S. Thistlegorm , the wreck is a popular diving attraction and next to the smashed up hull of the ship are the remains of two of the 8F's, sadly they are largely destroyed but the front of the engine's smokeboxes are largely intact. you can look up the wreck and find images of them for those who are interested.
Yes I read about that too - there's some fancy footage/photos of them if I remember rightly... fascinating! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Thanks mate. Dang good info to know bro. Much appreciated.
Was the ship torpedoed by a submarine.
@@kenh3344 the vessel was attacked by German bombers.
@@TimCan144 yeah the explosion was so powerful it launched the 8F’s off the deck into the ocean. Their tenders stayed on deck, and sank with the vessel, where they still remain.
I have Hornby 8F from about 2000 or so and it is brilliant, I’ve had her clanking away quite happily on trains of up to 21 or so Box Vans and the gradients on my layout aren’t that generous either!
One of my favourites that always has a run whenever I’m having a railway operating session
That's very good to hear! I was very surprised at what a good hauler this is, particularly as it's not even that weighty!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Fun fact: a good number of these were bought by the LNER during service, and theoretically it wouldn't be unrealistic to see this in a livery like LNER Black.
That's awesome - I didn't know this! :O
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Waiting for someone to paint one up in green 👀
@@Bunbiichuffn hahaha, oh no! I would die if someone painted this in any LNER livery aside from black.
some where also built at Brighton by the SR...
@@SamsTrains the LNER also classified their samples as the class O6. The 8F is an important part of Hornby’s range and I wish I had one, my favourite liveries are the LMS ones, pre or post war ones and BR late crest. Looks like your sample is a post war liveried version because I think in 1946 the number and lettering were simplified. Nice review Sam, enjoyed it as always. Take care, Dan.
Every time I heard the 3D printer going in the background I looked over at mine, even though it isn't printing at the moment.
Kind of interesting how a 2-8-0 was a rather heavy freight locomotive so late in the UK while in the US heavy freight had already moved to 2-8-2's by the first world war and to 4-8-4's and articulateds by the time the 8F was designed. Bigger continent and more people means more freight, I guess.
haha yeah... it's a parental instinct isn't it? I think that's exactly it - the US were quite ahead of us on steam weren't they?
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Nah. It just means that British engines were designed better and could pull more wagons than American locos. :-)
Mechanical stokers are far less efficient than the good old fireman with a shovel. A lot of the coal isn't burned properly. That's why you see so much black smoke from locos such as the Big Boy.
Interesting to see you do this, I just covered 8Fs in a recent video. A flywheel is unlikely to stop low speed cogging, what is needed is a greater gear reduction! something like 80-1.
Cheers Mike - will have to check that out! That's a good thought - maybe the gearing could be better then?
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Interesting: I wonder if an 80:1 reduction would overload the motor????? Does increasing the ratio increase friction? The factory specifications are for this motor in this setting.
It is subjective, but on a layout the performance looks acceptable at slow speed; THOUGH, what Sam has not let us see is the loco starting at a crawl and then 'climbing out', and after that with a load. Often locos start like this and then, when crossing the interface between cogging to start and main sequence running, jump like a scalded kat. Also, the point about running in is not how a machine operates soon after: leave it a week after running in and t-h-e-n see how it goes. In my unimportant experience running in makes no difference, and to quote Chalmers Watt 'wearing in is the first stage of wearing out'. Thanks to both Sam and Mike for adding something to my modelling enjoyment - I trust my parrot scratchings similarly add to yours. Also MIke: I too have had nothing positive from fly wheels. But again: that is only my limited inexpert experience in my limited applications. I must ask a real mechanical engineer. Peter T
@@petert9749 hi Peter, Greater gear ratio takes the load off the motor. All dad's were 40-1 apart from shining tanks that were 60-1.
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Not so sure Sam. I was hoping my note, if still read so long after the original post, might prod an engineer in the audience. I know a mech. engineer; shall ask him. He will probably say higher ratio is harder to drive, but not enough to make a definitive difference. After enjoying your video on remotoring I looked up to see what was listed by Canon under electric motors. Goodness knows what the impressive lineup costs. A while ago one of the MRJ authors reported a quartering problem with the 8F. Looking for evidence of that was one of the reasons I had hoped to see the slow to operational speed 'climb-out' I mentioned.
Stay Well: PeterT
@@petert9749 how can't you understand ratios? Less load on a motor if it geared lower. 80:1 is lower than 40:1 by 2x! This is 2x less load or effort required by the motor every revolution of the driver wheels, understand now? When working out gear ratios, the first number is the input side and the second number the output side. A 1:80 ratio would mean the motor does 1 revolution for 80 of the drivers as opposed to a 80:1 with the motor doing 80 revolutions to 1 of the drivers. Hope I've cleared things up for you 🙂
for such an old model, Hornby's 8F is seriously a looker.. I couldn't stop admiring it in the entire video!
Great review as always!!
As you said it was a very popular Loco during the ww11 and some were leased out to the LNER as they were running short of Heavy Freight Loco. They did buy them outright after the war. I do want to buy the LNER version but as usual, I will have to keep an eye out for a cheap one. Martin. (Thailand)
The 2-8-0 Consolidation was THE generic freight steamer in the US in the first half of the 20th century. With its outside cylinders and cab (and excluding the tender wheel arrangement and buffers), the 8F would look right at home here across The Pond. We would have to attach a pilot and headlamp though, as our right of ways can attract undesired, ahhh, creatures.
My model of the 8F is actually the LNER O6 version, the old type with loco-mounted 8-pin socket and sprung tender connections. It runs well, if a little noisy. It's a reasonable loco, but my heljan o2 actually outperforms it in smoothness and haulage power. I am tempted to get a BR black 8F though (probably with the cabside yellow stripe).
Interesting font used for the numbers. I guess it's the same font as used on more prestigious locos but without the shading.
Amusing that both your 8Fs have issues with their pony trucks, yet LNER solved the issues of the V2 pony trucks based on their experience on building the 8Fs for the WD. Also amusing is that the LNER O6s were a LMS design built by the SR (at Brighton Works) for the LNER.
So awesome to see a heavy freight on your layout actually hauling a heavy freight train.
Hi Sam, I have an older issue 8F, purchased 'new' in the last 2 years, and it's super-smooth at all power settings, no 'visible cogging'.
One thing you may want to consider verifying and Hornby have been guilty on MANY of my purchases is poorly set-up tender pickups - incapable of collecting with wheels at close to their extremes. It may possibly be a paranoia to minimise tender drag, optimise hauling power. I often have one, perhaps 2 or 3 even of the wheel sets incapable to collect / transmit power, so have to remove the keeper, then use tweezers to tweak the position, so that light contact is made in every wheel displacement.
Al.
Thanks for sharing Alan - yes that does seem to be quite common - as with the A4s, maybe the latest Hornby motors/locos just don't run as well as they used to?
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I've had a few problems trying to get Britannia smooth.
I'm not certain if it's rod interference, tight spots in rods, or even slop in the running gear.
I had a problem with a new-tooling Duchess of Hamilton, which I resolved by re-quartering 2 axles. This may be a production quartering issue even?
Al.
Hornby 8f is more like 40years old, massive improvements over the years but the basic body molding dates back to tender drive early 80s days, this only got a loco drive about 20 years ago! The firebox is open because in their tender drive days they used to have a flickering light and smoke generator so I’m pretty sure it’s chassis was shared with the old tender drive 28xx! I picked up a DCC fitted one a few weeks ago albeit second hand for £60 and I’m happy with that.
Good review I am leaning to locos without too much detail now as bits fall off when you handle the super detailed ones
Keep up the good work I want a black five and 8F now after watching your review
Some of the 8Fs were built at both Doncaster and Darlington works and the LNER ran these during WW2 and they appeared in unlined wartime black with NE on the tender sides. These were LNER class O6. After WW2 the Doncaster and Darlington 8Fs (O6s) were absorbed into the LMS. One of the preserved 8Fs is Darlington built. Hornby did previously produce this loco in LNER wartime black. I have one in a box somewhere.
a classic staple of many layouts circa 1940 - 1960, I have several for my steam depot, all run really well and smoothly, and rarely, if ever give problems, they look best when well weathered down as per the prototypes in later day British railways service
Old video, new comment! The 8F is the equivalent of the Pennsylvania Railroad H series Consolidation. Starting with the H1 and going to the H10, they were the most populous freight engine in the Pennsy system. Some 3500 Consolidations worked the system over the years. They featured the Pennsy standard Belpaire firebox, in common with British Locomotives and over the years hauled everything from freight to light local passenger trains
Hi Sam ... enjoyed your review very much. Just this past week I unboxed this very model and can pass on a my observation regarding some points you touched on in the video. First (and most disappointingly) straight out of the box the model would not stay on the track when crossing any point work (PECO 100). A quick check on the bench and the front pony wheels were significantly too close together (Back to Back measurement out). All the driver wheels and tender wheels checked out fine (using NMRA gauge). I was able to remove the front pony and adjust the back to back (gentle tugging while rotating the wheel on the axle). I think the B2B gapping is clearly a QC issue and I feel for a newcomer to the hobby as some 'tribal knowledge' is required here not to mention a set of 'standard gauges' (or calipers) to test against. After addressing this it revealed the second issue - the lack of downward pressure on these wheels which you had pointed out. This issue is clearly 'poor design' since these wheels only need to pivot up and down without carrying any weight as such. (edit: What I did was put a Kadee red washer (.015 in thick) over each of the two pivot posts for the pony bogie, and then reinstalled the bogie. By putting the bogie 15 thou lower this cured it.) In terms of general operating the model runs very well. Adding a DCC decoder was very straight forward and not something for anyone to be worried about. A pleasant surprise was the rear NEM coupling specifically that it was the right height for Kadee conversion (I used a Kadee #20). Overall very happy - it looks and behaves the part and assuming I get the front wheels sorted I think it will do fine.
Good review Sam, not sure how anybody can be confused when, as you eloquently put, a 20 year old loco being sold at current costs is fair game to compare to a current loco being sold at the same current costs. Keep it up 👍
Great video on the 8F, one did get repatriated from Turkey and restored to service in the UK and you would definitely be surprised that the 8Fs wore cowcatchers in Turkey as well, the other 8F that survives underwater near the sunken SS Thistlegorm wreck with only the smokebox section of the being the only surviving component due to rust eating the entire loco overtime. The 8Fs are definitely regarded as one of the best wartime locos ever built.
I must also add the reducing quality and jacking up prices part you stated in the A4 Mallard review video many videos ago reminds me of another recently defunct model train manufacturer in the US that stated that anyone calling them out on their poor quality and increased prices of their model trains would have their warranty void on the spot, the same applying for anyone abusing their customer service staff and customer support staff as well as part of their so called approach to zero tolerance for abuse towards their staff.
Any chance you’ll review the Accurascale GWR Manor class once it gets released?
I loved that consist of colorful wagons; that was a great looking train.
Thanks so much Joe - I love putting those together too! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Excellent review. Always find your videos really interesting and enjoyable even though i moved to 0 Gauge some years ago… although you do do some 0 gauge reviews as well which is great.. I fondlly remember my Hornby Dublo and Wrenn 8fs….. fortunately 8fs have now appeared in 0 gauge and they are lovely in the large scale. I confess I have 5 in various liveries, including my favourite in Maroon. I was lucky to spend a day driving a real one in the same livery on the Loughborough railway. Wonderful experience. One of the 8Fs came in a kit form which brought a whole new meaning to your oft used phrase ˋseparately fitted detailˋ as one had to put these on oneself!
Hi Sam, This seems a winner to me even for a +20 years old design. Reading some comments confirm it's a reliable engine and as you demonstrated a good and smooth runner. Cab details, well I'm nothing missing there since I prefer to put a ' crew' inside and it's difficult to see anyway. Performance / value is in balance and I guess adding a TTS decoder will improve the enjoyment. Thanks for reviewing. Cheers
The reason why Stanier 8F ended up with LNER and GWR was that upon outbreak of WW2 then the WD standardised on the loco as the standard freight engine to be used, and couldn’t meet demand from usual LMS sources.
As such many engines built and even recquisitioned by the WD which with the need for freight in the LNER and GWR area’s lead to them being loaned out to the LNER and GWR.
After the 8F then the WD settled on a simpler WD 2-8-0 8F that simpler and cheaper to make before moving onto the WD 2-10-0
Thanks for a great review. Think this may go in the wish / shopping list. Now few on the list. Looking forward to next review. All best Marc
It's a pleasure Marc - overall a decent purchase for the right price! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Aaaaah my first loco 1960 😍 Hornby Dublo with ringfield motor . and it was heavy die-cAST . SHE'S A HANDSOME BEAST ! typical Stanier .
Ahh fantastic - I know the ones - incredibly heavy! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I bought a previous tender-disconnectable 8F with the intention of using it as a base to build a OO scale Victorian Railways(Aus) K Class but I'm almost not sure I want to keep going with that now, I might put it back together and leave it as is
Still great that I saw one of these engines in real life on tour. No. 48151 “Gauge O’ Guild”, was the 8F in question.
Hi Sam ✋ I must admit I love 8Fs and I have 3 of them…and it could so easily be more if I didn’t have at least a little constraint! 😅 I have two of the older versions from (I think) the late 80s/ early 90s. They have “Firebox glow” which of course excited me no end when I got the first one in about 1996, which was early crest BR black. The second one I bought was one of the newer loco drive models and is actually an LNER O6 variant, which I got cheap simply because one part of the connecting rods was a bit wonky. Annoyingly, it soon developed a problem with the gearing which I have never got around to solving (thanks for the reminder!) and so I never fixed the rod either 🙄 Then the third was another old school tender drive one in pristine condition (With Firebox glow of course!) but this time in later crest BR Black which I picked up on a wave of nostalgia in 2019 for £40 at The Great Central Railway.😜
I always loved my original 8F and found it remarkably reliable and powerful if serviced properly. There was a wee issue with conductivity but that was solved with a good old fashioned Heath Robinson bodge by fitting a strip of tin foil across the driving wheel axles which transformed its performance 😎 Funnily enough, I still haven’t got around to running the other one 🤔
Ah well, there’s my excuse to get the test track out again 😎🍾
Cheers mate, enjoyed that. Not a bad model for what you paid I’d say 👍🍀🍻
The whistle is plastic, you can see with the finish and what you said about the prise and what it looks like was very helpful as I was looking for a 8F
And have you ever reviewed a class 20
@@HarrisHandle He did so recently with the non-retooled version of Bachman's class 20.
I always preferred the 9F this just looks like a weird black 5 and wind deflectors love them
I could say I think a Black 5 is a weird looking 8f but, I love both although I'm a goods engine type of guy!
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I think stating that the Tooling for the particular model dates back to 2002 (in the case of the 8F, I think some of the tooling dates back to the super detail tender drive version) would make things far clearer.
I've had a couple of 8F's (Hornby did the GWR built version) on the workbench for clients, both are excellent runners (R2394's).
Finally be careful what you say about modellers buying loco's at RRP, as they are usually ones who prefer to go to a bricks and mortar model shop (when possible) and see a loco running before buying it and have the deep pockets to pay that price and get the decent runners.
Hi
Just got the R30282 BR version today which I think is their latest. Cheapest I could find was £187 plus post. They havent done any upgrades from yours apart from giving it a 21 pin decoder. Needs a re tool. Cheers
the 8f is one of my favourite lmes class locomotives. keep up the good work!
I can see why - thank you!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
It's strange, my old "Super Detail" 8F seems to crawl much smoother than this, and obviously it doesn't have a flywheel or anything. That said I did spend hours messing with it since it seems the coating on one of the motor magnets disintegrated. I'd be interested to see if there are any differences between the motor of the older 8F vs. the "new" 8F.
Yeah that's quite common - the latest runs of older Hornby locos don't seem to run as well as the older ones... poorer motors maybe?
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Hornby LMS class 8F pulling a Passenger Train with 5 non bogi coaches and 5 bogi coaches and then the Heljan LMS Garratt pulling a freight train with all the tankers you have and some flat beds and a break van and ( if you manage to get one ) a Heljan BR class 28 diesel pulling a freight train of all Covered Van wagons.
I am still waiting on the BR class 28.
Wow! What a train. I hoped I get to see something like this with the massive train. I like 8F locomotives, Because they are really useful engines in real life. Great video by the way.
I agree! And that sounds awesome - a massive train definitely is fun to run! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Front boiler supports = front frames. Front boiler support is the saddle under the smoke box. Good vid again, Sam. Keep 'em coming.
Many thanks for this info - duly noted!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Love the 8F. My favourite Stanier
The Severn Valley Railway have a 8F and it was shipped to Egypt during the second world war and then returned back to the UK after the war. It did have a funny story that it hit a camel whilst in Egypt and derailed, who knew camels were that solid
Was planning on buying one of these and repainting it to look like the LNER Stanier O6
The Bo'ness & Kinneil Railway have an 8F that was repatriated from Turkey a few years ago.
I purchased the same model recently and noticed the hole for the glowing firebox from the earlier model is still there!
Stanier 8F! Aaaaah Sam this is my favorite engine! (idk why but there's just something about 2-8-0s that sticks out to me, or maybe it's just the design of this thing. Whatever the reason, Stanier knew how to add style to an engine!) Thanks Sam! Nice video!
haha fantastic - I don't blame you, there definitely is something about them!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Excellent review once again Sam. Keep it up. Fair and realistically priced at 104 Sterling / 120 Euro for what you get. Could be a tad more refined here and there, but can't really complain for the money. Plastic body with fitted details for a steamer is just fine as long as the chassis is kind of a solid cast block like Fleischmann, Trix/Märklin. If something rubbish you'll get that straight in your face from me as well, lol.
Sam, the continental H0 brands (not the Hornby ex continental sub-brands) really do require your microscopic reviews as well, really. ACME, Brawa, Fleischmann, Liliput, Electrotren, Roco, Trix/Märklin... Please, it really is needed the way you do it :)
I agree. I'm also modelling italian trains (mainly Rivarossi by Hornby engines, and Roco), and I would be interested to have a comparison with UK models by someone with a technical eye like Sam.
Decided to look this up, in light of the new release. Which's only difference seems to be a 21-pin socket instead of 8.
Question is, if £170 rrp gets 2* on value, how does £250 stand?
I'd like to get one and put it in LMS maroon livery that was on 48624 at the GCR. It looked nice, not prototypical but actually didn't look wrong.
Although black is fine. Admittedly it's a class I've never owned
Thanks Sam, I may just have to purchase one so thank you
Gotta love when Sam talks about his "curves"
haha I know right! xD
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I've got the 2002-released model with the black 5 pole motor and she crawls beautifully. Yours looks like it was released in 2017 or 2018? I wonder if these later 8fs run as well as the 'original' black motor ones!
Hey Sam one of the versions Hornby have made it a Turkish one
When I finally got one that works, my 8F was a good runner. However first one was a replacement for broken Battle of Britain which was no longer in stock. It arrived with broken valve gear. The second one arrived with a bent axel and pony wheel that wouldn’t turn.
The 3rd one however, has been great. However the cab doors fell off.
I’d argue yours didn’t perform perfectly. It’s pony wheels where not turning properly, like mine used too. It’s extremely irritating to see in my opinion.
"However the cab doors fell off." So, typical British 'quality control' then? :o)
I bought this model from Hatton's in Nov 2020 for £127.50. I also have a Hornby 8F my father bought in 1960, all die cast including the tender. The motor is so big it fills the cab. Somewhat worn now but still goes. At the time it would have cost about £4 10s (£4.50p). So there's inflation for you.
I've got this one. Now fully customised with sound, steam and lights. Purchased for £110. Hope the review is good. Too late now I've spent the money.
Wow that sounds fantastic - did you get all that for £110 or was that just the base model? ;D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains Hi there Sam. Gosh no I paid £109.99 for the loco only. I have had problems. A bolt come out of the wheel/coupling rods mechanism (went back to Hornby under warranty) and it wouldn't take 22 unloaded trucks. It currently hauls 7 trucks but three our tank carriers carrying Sherman tanks and another with a scout car. My older Hornby 8F Lms 8042 hauls 15 trucks filled with coal and iron ore roughly similar weights actually. The older one whines a tad.
Absolutely wonderful work as always Sam and 8F's are a thing of beauty aren't they 😊
Thanks a lot mate - they certainly were! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains absolutely!
@@SamsTrains I've got an idea mate. I think you should do a video of a day out at a heritage railway volunteering there and showing us behind the scenes 😊 I for one would love a video like that
I heard that Bachman made an 8F one that was even in LNER condition which I believe during the war the LNER borrowed an example or two and slapped LNER on the tender(s) and used them probably because the LNER were short on ready to run engines.
Ahh very interesting - thanks for sharing Steven! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great review Sam, the 8F's are really quite fascinating, their history is very interesting too! Keep up the good work -TheImperialDiamondSpinosaurus
Thanks very much mate - they certainly are! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
During WW2, 2 8Fs were on a ship headed for the Middle East, when it was sunk and is now a reef in the red sea
I have a 8F, runs nicely, but has a slight carbon smell to it, so a motor swop is on the cards, but I have put that off as I hate soldering!
I'm a huge LMS fan and that looks beautiful BUT my OCD wouldn't handle those pony wheels. It would go right back to the shop. Peter's score Zero. Sorry Sam. Great video as usual ..... i just don't see that score with non turning wheels 😁
Only just got back into my 00-gauge again have a lot of 50s to late 90s hornby trains but I want a good new hornby loco which is well detailed, powerful and reasonably priced!👍
That's fantastic - good luck - hope you can find what you're looking for! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
they are good heavy haulage locos sam
i think the great central line has an 8f and they put a rake of wagons behind her and it looked soo good im not too sure if it is the great central
thx ben :)
The 8F looks very smart and i liked
Another good review, thanks. The Stanier 8 was better than your Tango. The mechanisms have definitely improved since Hornby replaced their tender drive locos of which I still have some. They draw far less current.
Beautiful loco, one of my favourites actually. I’m hoping to build one out of lego one day. The sloped boiler would be hard, but I do like a challenge here and there. Thanks for the review Sam :D
no8f yet, but I bought the Cinderella sister the austerity 8fabout 20 years ago. have not run it yet and would have to fit decoder next to run will be a spearmint green t9 and southern suburban coaches as i have 6 and only 2 in BR southern green
Looks like a great model there Sam in that LMS black it looks fantastic.
Thanks a lot David - yeah very pleased to have found one in the LMS black! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
How does it compare with your Wrenn (ex Hornby Dublo) version in terms of tractive effort ?
It's obviously way less powerful than the Wrenn - will have to test that some time!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains that would be a fun test - which one can haul the heaviest goods train? (We know the answer already - but it would be fun to see)
Or maybe a tug of war 😉
That's the same motor my arm c38 had watch the motor bearings as mine gave up after a month came to a complete stop and the bearing had just disintegrated.
There's only 1 RRP, which is set by Hornby. All other prices will be what the retailer want's to / can afford to sell it at. prices for the model tend to be higher on the 2nd hand market as they're harder to get hold of atm due to it not being produced for a lil while.
Nahh - the Hornby 8F has had various RRPs over the years - Hornby do increase their prices periodically!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains i though you meant, what is the RRP today. thats what i meant by " there is only 1 " as in it's on their site at a biblical price right now ( although sold out ) i'm assumin you're talking about what it was priced many years ago?
@@2Wheels1rider RRP means Recommended Retail Price. That's the price Hornby recommended shops sell at. It's misleading really as very few shops will sell at the RRP. They should change it to List Price - or CAEE - Cheaper Almost Everywhere Else. :-)
Nice looking model. I notice that the builder's plates show 8035 as one of the batch built at the Vulcan Foundry (correctly) and that the tender was built at Crewe. Was this standard LMS practice?
Yes as far as I know. Most locos never carried the same tender throughout their lives. The tenders would usually be swapped out with another when the loco came in the workshop for general maintenance or overhauls. The same thing goes for preserved locos as well. An example being A4 "Union of South Africa" has currently the tender from the W1 "Hush-Hush". The same method applies to boilers as well.
Hi Sam,
Could you perhaps 3d print a smokebox dart for 48154? Looks sad without one.
Is the gauging ok on the frony pony truck? Annoying that the wheels don't turn very well.Yep the inside of the cab is pants,
Hi Sam i am impressed by the 8F loco.
Too bad about the non turning pony wheel.
But i like the black locos they are beautiful in black.
Another great video.
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oh man this reminds me, I need to make a cheese toastie. great vid!
Sam, Model rail database says this is a 2017 release.
That is a beautiful steam locomotive, the LMS is really good at designing locomotives
They sure were!! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I've always thought it belonged in the Railroad range. I still want one
Nice video as always Mr Warwell.
It probably does now yeah... more railroad than railways at any rate!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I really do like a good 2-8-0, with all those driving wheels and the rods and valve gear going round... I have an embarrassing number myself, maybe I should get them all out and make a short video of them all
Me too! It's a great configuration isn't it? :D
haha how many is embarrassing?! You definitely should do that!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains I did an inventory this morning, it's about 6 (I think that was including an unbuilt kit) - so not hugely embarassing but probably the most well represented wheel configuration in my collection. Except maybe 0-6-0's.
I kinda want to find a 2-8-0 Consolidation in OO scale(or an 8F in HO scale) and stick them side-by-side, this loco really reminds me of the other, even if they look rather different. Although, in part thats because one of my first locomotives was a B&M Consolidation in black w/ white lettering(and that I havent seen it for a few months).
That'd be very interesting! I guess it'd have to be the same class to make a good comparison though!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
I have this 8F, and three italians 2-8-0 : a gr. 740, a gr. 736 and a gr. 744. You gave me the idea to do this with my british 2-8-0 (LMS 8F, LNER O1 and O4, GWR 2800), just to see what it looks like. I might take some pictures to show the differences...
It's good to see hornby showing off how their older models may not be up to modern standards that they're mechanisms on the other hand are much better than bachman's and heljins will ever will be
O yes the 8f a beauty. Good job Sam!
Nice solid 2-8-0 locomotive! Looks pretty good! 👍
Wait what’s the difference between a LMS black 5 and a LMS class 8f aren’t they the same thing?
Awesome video today Sam beautiful modle and I might have to get one
Hi Sam, Nice review, looks quite smart, but a bit too big for my layout, All the Best Brian 🤗
That's fair enough Brian - this is a big bugger!
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Nice. I like the 8F and LMS even more
Something tells me this model in particular is more suitable for that 149.99 GBP RRP. Even then I wouldn’t pay more than 110 GBP for this.
The 8f is an 8f who would’ve thought. What a successful and plentiful LMS design. A design that even LNER fans like me can appreciate. I’m a sucker for the stannier tender. I’d love to make a motorised MOC of this in LEGO
I've tested my model of Princess Elizabeth, without running her in properly, and she moved smoothly and slowly on my railway, straight out of the box. I did a part exchange on her, which got me up to £160. Paul, ever the nice guy, let me take her away for that amount instead of making me pay the full price of £200. So she'll definitely give your LMS 8F a run for his money.
That's great news Kelly - good job! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Cool I didn’t know the UK made any consolidation type locomotives that’s what we call a locomotive with a 2-8-0 wheel arrangement here
Yeah we certainly had one or two! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
Great review, looks like all the cheap ones have gone. As it is the previous version with an updated tender, you can update your earlier one by just changing the tender bottom to the later one and adding the 4 way lead and connector. I do this with a lot of my Duchess locos to make it easier to fit sound.
Lovely video Sam.
I think your review policy is spot-on: if manufacturers are offering locos "brand-new-boxed", then you are right to review them as such. Keep up the good work!
Hi Sam I am thinking about getting a Hornby LMS 8f as I saw one at the Severn Valley Railway Kidderminster Station gift shop for £150.00
I want one of these but with a fowler tender which they did have never the end of steam because the stanier tenders were used on the express enginez
Oh look. The queen locomotive is coming. Super loco
Sam great review I trust in your scores before I go and purchase any trains. I like your videos the best I have tried to watch other videos from different people but they are so boring. I like this engine I will try to buy one. Do you know where I might find one.
I used to be mega jealous of my cousins Wrenn 8F although the detail was nothing like as good as the modern ones.
I like that freight locomotive. He’s one of Martin’s friends.
That's good to hear Kenji! :D
Thanks for watching, Sam :)
@@SamsTrains8F: Good evening, Martin. What are you doing here?
Narrator: That evening they lifted Gordon and made a roll of sleepers under his wheels to keep him from the mud. Strong ropes were fastened to his backend. James and Henry pulling hard manage to bring you to safety.
Late that night Gordon crawled home, a sadder and wiser engine.
I think that the decoration on that 8F are basic, as it's a wartime engine, simple as that. It is a handsome beast, though.
I can't actually see the 8F on Hornby's website, are they still producing them???
Otherwise an excellent model considering when it was tooled