People really like this one! I will send Random a message offering him a T-shirt! Edit: Offered t-shirt to Random and he replied to this comment as "krillin452: Donate a couple bucks to Freedom from Religion and pay it forward."
The chances of Darth changing is the same as the chances of Trump changing. Trump will be in prison scribbling "I WON" all over the walls with ketchup. And Darth will be in his hole yelling there are no agnostics as millions of people will still be agnostic.
After 11:00... Random asks "Can you defend the necessity of God?" DD's reply is "I'm putting a note in your account." Done! Just like Random said at the beginning, DD has literally _NEVER_ defended his position. Never.
@@davids11131113 LOL! It's doubly funny because it's NOT the case that DD isn't listening! Oh, DD _definitely_ heard the question... He just simply cannot answer it! He'll pretend to be not listening, but if he believed he had a response to it, you can bet he'd be running his mouth about it!
I’m just amazed that Gary actually went into a room with no mods or gang of dumbasses around him to protect him….i don’t know what he was thinking here, maybe he was delusional from lack of satisfaction of bullying atheists because he’s blocked most of them and the rest really don’t want to talk to him?
@@davids11131113 You are correct, but what I think he is doing, he is trying to go to other servers and find out if he can take over (intimidation via reputation). If not, then he always runs away, like a real COWARD that he is.
@@LookOutForNumberOne He burns a lot of bridges I don’t know how many ‘servers’ he’s burned down so yea for sure he doesn’t have many places left. It’s the same formula he gets the ‘admins’ on his side so it’s his little kingdom to abuse till everyone gets sick of it and there’s a big blowup…..that’s been going on for years.
Excellent point! I've been saying for years that presup isn't an argument -- It's a conversational style. If presup were actually an argument, then why can it never be deployed without mod powers?? LOL
@@dbt5224 Now, that is very true, but we can't really appreciate his stupidity when he is in his room because he has a specific tactic, to bully atheists and make fun out of it whilst inflating his self righteous EGO.
@@dbt5224 Superman ore not superman, and then whatever the claim. The issue is not the dichotomy but the veracity of the statement, Gary starts by begging the question, he assumes it to be true and forced down to us.
Darths fallacious schtick is getting SO old…..’facts are reckoned with the necessity of god, or they’re not reckoned with the necessity of god’…..asserting god just exists in either case. So dishonest.
Pro tip for the next person to catch him like this: make sure he hears you call him darth 5-6 times, but then switch up to only refer to him as Gary. He completely loses composure when the veil of anonymity lifts and hid real name enters the convo
Darth, you either stopped abusing your kids, or not. It's the law of excluded middle. 'A' or 'not A'. I just plugged in a value for 'A'. So which is it Darth? Still abusing your kids, or not? There is no third option.
Darth is so scared of a conversation he can't control with his ridiculous script. This was good. It shows the shallowness in Darth's position and why a serious discussion with him is totally impossible.
Darth Gary is so shallow that he’s trying to combat this with ‘you’re wasting your time!’ …. I don’t even know what that means from a 64 year old guy who apparently spends every day and night trying to find people to abuse with his dumb Bahnsen presup script. Time? That’s all you’ve got Gary and it’s quickly running out.
Oh hell yes, finally! Thank you Random. I tried a conv with him about this and was of course muted by his minions. How’d you get him to stick around so long without a mod muting his exposers! Random shut down darth’s spewage of meaningless 3-4 syllable words and yeah it was so very satisfying. I heard darth’s tail tuck and scamper away. Gold star lol! 🌟
DD is 100% wrong in his belief that the law of excluded middle means that a person MUST hold a belief about a god/not-god grounding of the physical world. It's an easy thing to explain, but any attempt to correct his misunderstanding always leads to THIS level of foot-stomping tantrum! He'll never learn.
He knows he's wrong, he used to say that the positions were that: one knows God exists, one claims God doesn't exist, and one is agnostic about it. Now he just wants to shoehorn in an indefensible position to claim an intellectual high ground. He knows that in order for the law of excluded middle to apply to his position, he has to support his God claim; hint: he never has, never does, and never will.
Everything he says are just claims with no rationale or evidence. But you are right of course. He sets up the duality but can't provide any reason to choose the God world. All he has is a claim that his God is somehow necessary for intelligibility.
This reminds me of when Malpass pointed out that that because toast and not toast is a dichotomy that doesn’t effect your belief about whether toast and not in the reason for the “laws of logic”
But his argument against agnosticism states that God can't exist in a world where any fact isn't dependent on him. That is to say, his God is contingent on a particular state of affair. So if you grant him his argument against agnosticism, you don't have to be agnostic towards his God... it's self contradictory so it _can't exist. (He defines his God as being non-contingent, so you end up with a non-contingent God that is also contingent)
Remember back in the day when people would try to be objective and say that this wasn’t the right way to handle Darth…fast forward to 2023 and it’s finally sunken in that this is the only way to handle DD
The agnostic is not saying that it is logically possible for god not to be necessary. An agnostic is saying that it could be logically possible that some God is METAPHYSICALLY necessary as well as not.
What I find funny is that even though Darth's argument against agnosticism is totally bogus, it's actually easier to just accept it as it is a defeater for his own conception of God. Darth's conception of God is (among other things) "unconditionally non dependent." Darth's argument against agnosticism states that God is dependent on a state of affairs where all facts derive from and depend on God. ...and there's your contradiction. An unconditionally nondependent entity that is also dependent.
@@ajhieb That and the triune nature of the Christian God defeats his argument; if God is defined as three separate beings who are not each other but are all somehow fully God, then if you remove one then the concept no longer describes the Christian God. Therefore, the Christian God is dependent upon one of those beings existing.
@@madara211000 Yeah, but the problem is Darth never actually defends the Christian God, he just tosses out his generic "ground of all being" God, because defending all of those attributes is hard. The "unconditionally non dependent" thing works, even with his generic God.
@@ajhieb What's funny about his definition is that he's describing a deistic god, not the Christian one. He slips in the Christian God near the end of his spiel in a slimy way so one who isn't paying attention wouldn't notice. I've seen some point this out, but only for DD to go into his usual tirade.
@@madara211000 ‘I tenaciously and vigorously defend the Christian god all the time’…..while Darth NEVER defends the Christian god he’s terrified of doing that and the most he’s ever done is give his barebones god definition ‘a mind that is ultimate’ and says ‘this is what we call the Christian god’ and runs away back to endless questioning from his script.
Facts will either be in reference to Godzilla or they will not. They will be in reference to Thor or not. They will be in reference to Satan or not. We can do this all day.
"You cant know you're not a brain in a vat! I can be sure, because God told me!" *Years earlier, the man in charge of Darth's brain jar speaks into the microphone attached to Darth's exposed lobes* "Hi Darth! Can you hear me?" "Are you the creator God? The eternal mind? The guarantor of reason?!" "Ummmmmmmmm sure, buddy..."
"Can you defend the necessity of the Christian God? Yes or No?" X17 "... ARE YOU DONE? STOP OVERTALKING ME!" Literally every time he's asked to defend his own position he does this if he can't mute people. He's even got a terrible reputation among other Christians and that's hilarious. Thanks for the laughs Gary! 😂
Personally, I would have argued what he wanted to argue. He basically makes a special pleading argument that it acceptable to treat ontology as epistemology because its God.
“I defend the Christian world view every day” says the guy who never mentions Christ, the resurrection, or anything related to Christianity other than a vague mention of “triune” occasionally.
Fact: "I stand 6' 3" tall." Can anyone tell me if I am stating ("invoking") that fact with or without reference to God - or, to put it differently - with respect to a God or non-God world?
Darth did have financial legal judgements against him but this was years ago now. He's just unemployable outside gig work because he's an awful human being to be around.
Outside of Gus and Jack Angstreich there are so few who’re willing to go to these lengths to stand up to darth. I hope Random becomes a thorn on darth’s side from now on and that mods won’t stop him. Though I wouldn’t be surprised if he mellows out from now on, ‘cause giving darth a taste of his own medicine is a full-time job.
Special pleading, god is unlike any other fact. Sorry? What? How is a fact unlike any other fact? It's a fact. It cant be unlike any other fact, it's a fact. Facts are just facts. Either it's a fact,.... Or it's not a fact. So if it's unlike any other fact.. It's because it's NOT A FACT. FFS.
You might as well treat Darth like he treats everyone else because there is no reasoning with him. He seems to be convinced he is right regardless of the fact he can not, does not and will not defend his position. And that is because there is no rational defending of make believe. And YES, I can consider something as make believe even if there were a slight possibility it is true because a thing called EVIDENCE. I am not omniscient and I assume neither is Darth.
Lol at about 9 minutes you can tell that Darth called in some reinforcements. Also, this is exactly the way that Gary should be handled at every opportunity.
I've spent years listening to debates by some of the world's "best" apologists. One reoccuring theme is the notion that tearing down their opponents' position somehow strengthens their own. It's why evangelists have devoted so many resources to discrediting the theory of evolution or abiogenesis. Darth is no different. Defending the necessity of the Christian god does not require addressing agnosticism. Darth should be able to argue his position based on its own merits. Other peoples' beliefs on the matter are irrelevant. If Darth didn't have mods running defense for him, he'd be laughed out of every room he set foot in.
Ya, they're called presuppositionalists. The basic idea is that one cannot make sense of the world without presuppositions, and thus we can skip the Cartesian project of breaking down our own worldview as nonsensical and impossible. Instead, we can just attack the conclusions others come to as wrong because they fail to take a presupposition with higher precedence into consideration (with belief in God having the highest precedence). A philosopher who tried to argue in a similar manner is GE Moore, who basically argued that we're justified in believing "common sense" without evidence because it's more likely true than not, and that the burden of justification is on any belief that challenges common sense rather than on anyone making a positive claim. Of course, there are problems with this, such as what exactly counts as common sense and how one knows their common sense to be "more probable than not" when evidence is not submitted for it. Presuppositionalism, though, is clearly complete bunkum, because it always runs afoul of either question begging or bare assertion fallacies, and inescapably so if the presup interlocutor doesn't make another fallacy before then.
@brandonmcbee1149 The pretending that your questions being unanswered, makes your assertions true, is one of the two tactics used by someone who is knowingly claiming shit that they can't back up. The other tactic that they all use in conjunction with the first, is the 'othering' rhetoric. They assert who the bad guys are, offer some BS about the motivation of the baddies, deny/ misrepresent evidence the baddies have, and then establish the idea that those who don't mindlessly follow the baddies are morally/ intellectually superior; the baddies are narrow minded, allergic to possibilities of being wrong, closed minded, not like you guys that are listening to me, you all know what's up... And regardless of your level of knowledge on a topic, if someone is presenting the me/us versus them narrative in conjunction with the pretense of questions = defense of my assertions, then you can be 100% confident that you have in no way been given any reason to believe there is any merit to what was claimed. It could be the case that such an individual's claims are correct, but you absolutely can not get there if they present it that way.
@Petticca Yep, and presups seem to be the worst offenders here. Proponents of TAG have no choice but to resort to these dishonest tactics because their second premise is asserted without justification. When your entire argument is that everyone already knows God exists via some general or special revelation, you're, by default, beginning every conversation under the pretense that your opponent is lying. There's no honest way to justify the premise that knowledge is impossible without God because, for them, revelation is the justification and revelation is necessarily a first-person experience. It's evidence to no one beyond the person receiving the revelation. If they could demonstrate any such revelation and provide some mechanism by which we could tie that experience to the Christian god, there would be no need for the theatrics. It's why you never see a productive conversation with a presup.
People really like this one! I will send Random a message offering him a T-shirt! Edit: Offered t-shirt to Random and he replied to this comment as "krillin452: Donate a couple bucks to Freedom from Religion and pay it forward."
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Donate a couple bucks to Freedom from Religion and pay it forward.
Yessss!!!
Oh he definitely deserves a T-shirt! The best interaction I've seen with Darth since Shannon lol
It was so great when they started engaging and the room slowly became aware there were no mods and Random just went off!
I applaud this guy big time. This is EXACTLY how everyone should treat Darth until he actually changes.
Malicious Narcissists never change.
The chances of Darth changing is the same as the chances of Trump changing. Trump will be in prison scribbling "I WON" all over the walls with ketchup. And Darth will be in his hole yelling there are no agnostics as millions of people will still be agnostic.
Most are too chicken shit to stand up to an old man who would clam up if confronted in real life.
@@whichgodofthousandsmeansno5306 lol why did you have to turn this into an anti-Trump libtard spiel.
darth's not gunna change. he's a terminal fuckhead.
he should be treated like flat earthers and just fuckin ignored.
"i can be a motor mouth too"...thats the thing dd....you always have been a motor mouth. Proof Darth cannot survive in the wild.
‘I’m busy writing notes about you’…..64 year old man everybody! 🙄
Darth tried tasting his own medicine but he wasn't long enough to reach his own mouth.
It was a suppository.
@@punnet2 You'd think his soggy diaper would get in the way of that but here we are!
You’d think it’d be easy for him to flop over and give himself a tepid gobby given the fact that he has no spine.
“Blah blah blah blah, necessity of gawd, blah blah blah”
Sophistry. Pure fvcking sophistry.
After 11:00... Random asks "Can you defend the necessity of God?"
DD's reply is "I'm putting a note in your account."
Done! Just like Random said at the beginning, DD has literally _NEVER_ defended his position. Never.
‘Okaaayyyy I’m not listening to what’s going anyway on I’m busy writing notes about you’ …..64 year old man! 😂
@@davids11131113 LOL! It's doubly funny because it's NOT the case that DD isn't listening! Oh, DD _definitely_ heard the question... He just simply cannot answer it! He'll pretend to be not listening, but if he believed he had a response to it, you can bet he'd be running his mouth about it!
Oh for sure he’s listening 😂@@HogTieChamp
Well, about fucking time someone confronts Gary at his own terms.
It is golden to hear Gary moaning when hasn't got ANY mod powers.
I’m just amazed that Gary actually went into a room with no mods or gang of dumbasses around him to protect him….i don’t know what he was thinking here, maybe he was delusional from lack of satisfaction of bullying atheists because he’s blocked most of them and the rest really don’t want to talk to him?
@@davids11131113 You are correct, but what I think he is doing, he is trying to go to other servers and find out if he can take over (intimidation via reputation). If not, then he always runs away, like a real COWARD that he is.
@@LookOutForNumberOne He burns a lot of bridges I don’t know how many ‘servers’ he’s burned down so yea for sure he doesn’t have many places left. It’s the same formula he gets the ‘admins’ on his side so it’s his little kingdom to abuse till everyone gets sick of it and there’s a big blowup…..that’s been going on for years.
Presup is the only philosophical argument that needs mod powers.
It's also fails if the presup can't talk over others.
Excellent point! I've been saying for years that presup isn't an argument -- It's a conversational style.
If presup were actually an argument, then why can it never be deployed without mod powers?? LOL
lmfao
@@Qzopr1fuck. Thanks for actually using the phrase "talk over", instead of "overtalk", like this idiot DD does.
Bravo sir 👏🏻
This just proves how poor of a Debator Darth is without the power of mods.
Gary could never be a debater, he follows a script to attack the opponent and not able to defend his own position, Gary is a LOSER.
To be fair though, he is a poor debater with mods as well.
@@dbt5224 Now, that is very true, but we can't really appreciate his stupidity when he is in his room because he has a specific tactic, to bully atheists and make fun out of it whilst inflating his self righteous EGO.
@@LookOutForNumberOne Mods or Not Mods! It's a true dichotomy!
@@dbt5224 Superman ore not superman, and then whatever the claim. The issue is not the dichotomy but the veracity of the statement, Gary starts by begging the question, he assumes it to be true and forced down to us.
Yep treat Darth as he treats everyone
Dude is a fucking legend.
Thank you.
Legend in his own mind. 😢
Karma
This was the best Darth "debate"😂
Definitely worthy of a Tom Rabbit T-shirt.
Random... You are the man!! I loved this interaction. Darth knows he was beaten but refuses to acknowledge it. LOL
We all needed that.
"Waa, waa, where's the mods! Where's the mods!"
Hilarious.
Weak sauce DeeDee.
Darths fallacious schtick is getting SO old…..’facts are reckoned with the necessity of god, or they’re not reckoned with the necessity of god’…..asserting god just exists in either case. So dishonest.
No that part is right. The problem with his argument is that he conflates belief in either as an assertion that it’s true.
@@Standleyyyyhandyy No he’s clearly begging the question.
@@davids11131113 no. He’s stating a true dichotomy. Please learn basic logic
@@Standleyyyyhandyy No its not.
@@Standleyyyyhandyy You don’t even know what begging the question is? Please retake kindergarten.
Darth trying to run his script after all this is such a cope.
There are not enough likes to give for treating Darth in the appropriate manner.
Pro tip for the next person to catch him like this: make sure he hears you call him darth 5-6 times, but then switch up to only refer to him as Gary. He completely loses composure when the veil of anonymity lifts and hid real name enters the convo
lmao and call him " boomer" a few times lmao
Darth, you either stopped abusing your kids, or not.
It's the law of excluded middle. 'A' or 'not A'. I just plugged in a value for 'A'.
So which is it Darth? Still abusing your kids, or not? There is no third option.
The restraining order probably prevents that 😂
@ 7:57 - 8:01 "Phoenix i know you're looking for therapy and shit but i really need this at the moment "🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Now we know the play. Catch him in a room without mods and never EVER let him get a word out. Oh, god, that was cathartic.
I’m just amazed Darth ventured into this room, like a stranger walking into the saloon in a new town trying to bully everyone and he got F’D UP!
Darth is so scared of a conversation he can't control with his ridiculous script. This was good. It shows the shallowness in Darth's position and why a serious discussion with him is totally impossible.
Darth Gary is so shallow that he’s trying to combat this with ‘you’re wasting your time!’ …. I don’t even know what that means from a 64 year old guy who apparently spends every day and night trying to find people to abuse with his dumb Bahnsen presup script. Time? That’s all you’ve got Gary and it’s quickly running out.
Darth says “I’m putting a note in your account” like it carries any weight at all, pathetic little man but entertaining as hell
“I wasn’t acting like a bitch boy, ‘Kay?”
Mmm’kaayyyy?
Free T-Shirt worthy, me thinks
8:50 - We just heard a slightly different form of DDs infamous "I'd be happy to talk about X, but first we need to...".
Yea 😂
Surprised Darth did not run sooner. 😂
Thanks Tom for this hidden gem, DD wont go into a unmoderated room anymore anytime soon i think 🤣
This will live on alongside the Gus rant
Oh hell yes, finally! Thank you Random. I tried a conv with him about this and was of course muted by his minions. How’d you get him to stick around so long without a mod muting his exposers! Random shut down darth’s spewage of meaningless 3-4 syllable words and yeah it was so very satisfying. I heard darth’s tail tuck and scamper away. Gold star lol! 🌟
DD is 100% wrong in his belief that the law of excluded middle means that a person MUST hold a belief about a god/not-god grounding of the physical world. It's an easy thing to explain, but any attempt to correct his misunderstanding always leads to THIS level of foot-stomping tantrum! He'll never learn.
He knows he's wrong, he used to say that the positions were that: one knows God exists, one claims God doesn't exist, and one is agnostic about it. Now he just wants to shoehorn in an indefensible position to claim an intellectual high ground. He knows that in order for the law of excluded middle to apply to his position, he has to support his God claim; hint: he never has, never does, and never will.
Everything he says are just claims with no rationale or evidence.
But you are right of course. He sets up the duality but can't provide any reason to choose the God world. All he has is a claim that his God is somehow necessary for intelligibility.
This reminds me of when Malpass pointed out that that because toast and not toast is a dichotomy that doesn’t effect your belief about whether toast and not in the reason for the “laws of logic”
It’s just a bait and switch question of epistemology vs ontology
But his argument against agnosticism states that God can't exist in a world where any fact isn't dependent on him. That is to say, his God is contingent on a particular state of affair. So if you grant him his argument against agnosticism, you don't have to be agnostic towards his God... it's self contradictory so it _can't exist. (He defines his God as being non-contingent, so you end up with a non-contingent God that is also contingent)
That was fantastic… Some people should really check themselves because the wrecking is greeted with Random’s assistance. 😂🤣😂
Remember back in the day when people would try to be objective and say that this wasn’t the right way to handle Darth…fast forward to 2023 and it’s finally sunken in that this is the only way to handle DD
Literally been saying it for years: Treat Darth like shit!
Great to release the anger.
I can defend my position, but FIRST!!!
Yes, in a nutshell.
Give this guy a shirt!
Either I am getting older and wiser or the world is getting stupider and stupider…. Or both.
Elaborate?
Oh, this is pure gold. 😂
“I’m taking notes on you”…”I’m not a little bitch boy”
BwhahahhhahahhahahahahhHhahhhhhahahahahahahaahahbahahaha
I’m wheezing!
The agnostic is not saying that it is logically possible for god not to be necessary. An agnostic is saying that it could be logically possible that some God is METAPHYSICALLY necessary as well as not.
What I find funny is that even though Darth's argument against agnosticism is totally bogus, it's actually easier to just accept it as it is a defeater for his own conception of God.
Darth's conception of God is (among other things) "unconditionally non dependent."
Darth's argument against agnosticism states that God is dependent on a state of affairs where all facts derive from and depend on God.
...and there's your contradiction. An unconditionally nondependent entity that is also dependent.
@@ajhieb That and the triune nature of the Christian God defeats his argument; if God is defined as three separate beings who are not each other but are all somehow fully God, then if you remove one then the concept no longer describes the Christian God. Therefore, the Christian God is dependent upon one of those beings existing.
@@madara211000 Yeah, but the problem is Darth never actually defends the Christian God, he just tosses out his generic "ground of all being" God, because defending all of those attributes is hard. The "unconditionally non dependent" thing works, even with his generic God.
@@ajhieb What's funny about his definition is that he's describing a deistic god, not the Christian one. He slips in the Christian God near the end of his spiel in a slimy way so one who isn't paying attention wouldn't notice. I've seen some point this out, but only for DD to go into his usual tirade.
@@madara211000 ‘I tenaciously and vigorously defend the Christian god all the time’…..while Darth NEVER defends the Christian god he’s terrified of doing that and the most he’s ever done is give his barebones god definition ‘a mind that is ultimate’ and says ‘this is what we call the Christian god’ and runs away back to endless questioning from his script.
Facts will either be in reference to Godzilla or they will not. They will be in reference to Thor or not. They will be in reference to Satan or not. We can do this all day.
THIS! MORE OF THIS PLEASE!!!
"You cant know you're not a brain in a vat! I can be sure, because God told me!"
*Years earlier, the man in charge of Darth's brain jar speaks into the microphone attached to Darth's exposed lobes*
"Hi Darth! Can you hear me?"
"Are you the creator God? The eternal mind? The guarantor of reason?!"
"Ummmmmmmmm sure, buddy..."
So nice, I had to listen twice!😉
Edit:okay, so I’ve probably listened at least a dozen times now!!
"Are you done?" = "I've got nothing"
Random, needs a medal . Glad Tom likes to record these. Lol 😂
oh, that his medicine is a suppository!
KEvron
DD is a weakling’s idea of a strongman, a fool’s idea of an intellectual, and a coward’s idea of a Braveheart.
Oh, this one is especially delicious.
I love this random guy. =)
Pfft yeah, you and Otangelo.
...oh you meant the guy yelling at Gary....
darth once called me a child and when i told him i was a mod he left
"Can you defend the necessity of the Christian God? Yes or No?" X17
"... ARE YOU DONE? STOP OVERTALKING ME!"
Literally every time he's asked to defend his own position he does this if he can't mute people. He's even got a terrible reputation among other Christians and that's hilarious. Thanks for the laughs Gary! 😂
This is legit my favorite video now 👏
Until Darth can prove a god. it can not be brought into any equation
Nice job. Welcome to the Troll List. 😂
Simply put - Darth is powerless without moderators. And when he's losing, he cries out for them. I love it.
I'm having serious Syko flashbacks.
That was beautiful!
Great Christmas 🎄 present , Tom 😃🎯
😅😂 I love this this is how everybody should handle this guy
Darth can’t write anymore notes? Does that mean discord took away his ability because he had written too many? LOL
This guy shouldn't just get a shirt - He should get a full wardrobe!
If there's a heaven its Darth without mod power 😅
There IS a heaven but Darth is gonna be the only one there bc he's the only one who has ever lived up to God's strict standards.
@@cliteastwood And it'll just be god asking him "god does not exist becauuuse?"
@@cliteastwood😅😅 Heaven is for the mumpsimus 😂
I like to watch this video at least once a week to keep my spirits up.
This is so refreshing. Darth getting exactly what he always gives and, shockingly, being a little bitch about it
Personally, I would have argued what he wanted to argue. He basically makes a special pleading argument that it acceptable to treat ontology as epistemology because its God.
9:45 he starts using Darth's typical disingenuous "sir" - he has studied well!
When he says, "let me educate you..." You just tell him, "I don't need a community college lecture consisting of gobbledeegook from a teenager."
darth is a child
give this man his t-shirt!
“I defend the Christian world view every day” says the guy who never mentions Christ, the resurrection, or anything related to Christianity other than a vague mention of “triune” occasionally.
A rare DD video worth the watch.
Fact: "I stand 6' 3" tall."
Can anyone tell me if I am stating ("invoking") that fact with or without reference to God - or, to put it differently - with respect to a God or non-God world?
Still, Gary starts with Begging the Question. He assumes the god exists in the first place. That is faulty reasoning.
Thus far I've never seen a presup defend their "worldview". Other than answer straw man version of questions or changing subject of course.
poor dd not used to having to change his own full diaper
Not all heros wear capes.
Absolutely perfect way to deal with Darth Dickhead.
Remember that Darth is in serious debt and legal problems at 65 years old....and this is how he spends his time 😂
Legal problems?
@@WorldCupWillie cringe stalkers claim so at least :p
Darth did have financial legal judgements against him but this was years ago now. He's just unemployable outside gig work because he's an awful human being to be around.
@@michaeldeaton maybe maybe not. Couldnt care less though. Real cringe to stalk/investigate a random troll on discord like that imo. 😂
@@andreaskarlsson5251 Aww you got upset Karen? 🤣
5:43 “you don’t like to be intellectually challenged do you?” Is delivered so funnily. Darth coulda been a comedian
Outside of Gus and Jack Angstreich there are so few who’re willing to go to these lengths to stand up to darth. I hope Random becomes a thorn on darth’s side from now on and that mods won’t stop him. Though I wouldn’t be surprised if he mellows out from now on, ‘cause giving darth a taste of his own medicine is a full-time job.
It could well be that after this Darth is on ‘good behavior’ for a while.
@@davids11131113 you must have faith like a mustard seed 'cause that's the one thing I don't believe will ever happen lmao
😂@@jcnot9712 😂
Merry Christmas to me!!!
You know there's an old term for poser hackers that I just realized also works for Darth. Script Kiddie.
Finally someone who handled Darth the proper way. Thank you.
Aaaaaah, that was really therapeutic...
Special pleading, god is unlike any other fact. Sorry? What? How is a fact unlike any other fact? It's a fact. It cant be unlike any other fact, it's a fact. Facts are just facts. Either it's a fact,.... Or it's not a fact. So if it's unlike any other fact.. It's because it's NOT A FACT. FFS.
Ozzy? Sounds like 👍
This is amazing. Well Done.
Someone should give this man a congressional Medal of Honor
This was fantastic. Random did a great job of turning the tables on Darth 😂
Darth was definitely one of the kids who held the teacher’s hand at recess. “I’m making a note” is the same as “I’m telling on you!”
DumDum without mods is funny.
"I wasn't acting like a bitch boy. K?" 😂🤣😂🤣
See folks, this is what they do. They can't answer a simple question and start bickering. Darth knows he is big loser.
Damn, and i just ran out of popcorn...
Get this man a t-shirt Tom.
You might as well treat Darth like he treats everyone else because there is no reasoning with him. He seems to be convinced he is right regardless of the fact he can not, does not and will not defend his position. And that is because there is no rational defending of make believe. And YES, I can consider something as make believe even if there were a slight possibility it is true because a thing called EVIDENCE. I am not omniscient and I assume neither is Darth.
Lol at about 9 minutes you can tell that Darth called in some reinforcements. Also, this is exactly the way that Gary should be handled at every opportunity.
I've spent years listening to debates by some of the world's "best" apologists. One reoccuring theme is the notion that tearing down their opponents' position somehow strengthens their own. It's why evangelists have devoted so many resources to discrediting the theory of evolution or abiogenesis. Darth is no different. Defending the necessity of the Christian god does not require addressing agnosticism. Darth should be able to argue his position based on its own merits. Other peoples' beliefs on the matter are irrelevant. If Darth didn't have mods running defense for him, he'd be laughed out of every room he set foot in.
Ya, they're called presuppositionalists. The basic idea is that one cannot make sense of the world without presuppositions, and thus we can skip the Cartesian project of breaking down our own worldview as nonsensical and impossible. Instead, we can just attack the conclusions others come to as wrong because they fail to take a presupposition with higher precedence into consideration (with belief in God having the highest precedence).
A philosopher who tried to argue in a similar manner is GE Moore, who basically argued that we're justified in believing "common sense" without evidence because it's more likely true than not, and that the burden of justification is on any belief that challenges common sense rather than on anyone making a positive claim. Of course, there are problems with this, such as what exactly counts as common sense and how one knows their common sense to be "more probable than not" when evidence is not submitted for it.
Presuppositionalism, though, is clearly complete bunkum, because it always runs afoul of either question begging or bare assertion fallacies, and inescapably so if the presup interlocutor doesn't make another fallacy before then.
@brandonmcbee1149
The pretending that your questions being unanswered, makes your assertions true, is one of the two tactics used by someone who is knowingly claiming shit that they can't back up.
The other tactic that they all use in conjunction with the first, is the 'othering' rhetoric. They assert who the bad guys are, offer some BS about the motivation of the baddies, deny/ misrepresent evidence the baddies have, and then establish the idea that those who don't mindlessly follow the baddies are morally/ intellectually superior; the baddies are narrow minded, allergic to possibilities of being wrong, closed minded, not like you guys that are listening to me, you all know what's up...
And regardless of your level of knowledge on a topic, if someone is presenting the me/us versus them narrative in conjunction with the pretense of questions = defense of my assertions, then you can be 100% confident that you have in no way been given any reason to believe there is any merit to what was claimed.
It could be the case that such an individual's claims are correct, but you absolutely can not get there if they present it that way.
@Petticca Yep, and presups seem to be the worst offenders here.
Proponents of TAG have no choice but to resort to these dishonest tactics because their second premise is asserted without justification. When your entire argument is that everyone already knows God exists via some general or special revelation, you're, by default, beginning every conversation under the pretense that your opponent is lying.
There's no honest way to justify the premise that knowledge is impossible without God because, for them, revelation is the justification and revelation is necessarily a first-person experience. It's evidence to no one beyond the person receiving the revelation. If they could demonstrate any such revelation and provide some mechanism by which we could tie that experience to the Christian god, there would be no need for the theatrics. It's why you never see a productive conversation with a presup.