Watson was never banned from any of those places, in fact many of those women were begging him to come back and professed their "love" for him via text messages.
Why doesn't anybody ever look at this from the other side? I've never had a massage, but as an attractive male, I have been inappropriately touched and asked to do inappropriate things a number of times in my life (mostly doctor offices and hair cutting salons). One nurse couldn't stop touching my Johnson (with a big smile from ear to ear) while I was getting an ultrasound, but no one in this country ever holds the females accountable or hates on them. The hate/punishment always falls on the males 100% of the time. What a joke! Not saying Tucker is innocent, time will tell, but Deshaun got 100% of the hate and those women were never ever second guessed, not for one second, despite zero proof of their allegations.
A pattern of allegations that's all. If you can provide one shred of evidence I am listening. If you're a man and you live in America and get accused by a woman of anything sexual, you are guilty until proven innocent. Just ask the punt god. He lost millions and his family literally received death threats while his criminal false accuser received NO PUNISHMENT at all. Like I said before, what a joke! Both the real courts and the court of public opinion (aka the kangaroo court) are a JOKE@@larryambrose2660
Well it's blasted all over the Internet already and you have smaller regional shows like this one with 50k subs doing a 30 minute segment on it. Pretty safe to say it definitely is
Of course, it won’t be covered exactly the same. Watson was a big name player about to make a $230 million deal. Tucker is a lowly kicker (albeit a very successful kicker).
@@draimonshepherd1791 Few care about any kicker. I don’t even know the current Browns kicker. I can name only three from history. Lou Groza, b/c he was from the golden era and has a trophy named after him. Matt Bahr, b/c he was with the Steelers when they were dominating the NFL and eventually came to the Browns. Garo Yepremian b/c he was with that great Dolphins team and he threw that pass like a girl.
It will in Baltimore unless he retires right away then nobody will care. Had the Houston prosecutor had him indicted everything would have been different with Watson. Had the Browns not foolishly traded 3 first round picks for him and given him all that money there would have been pretty much nothing about him in Cleveland or anywhere else except Houston.
Yes G Bush. There are racists out there. We all know this. However, racist people existing in the world will not affect how this story is covered. It's already too public.
The problem with the statement from Bull is that if you wanted you could find many women who will say that something happened with any athlete. Women can show up in the files as Jane Doe and whether she is lying or not still get a payday and never have their name mentioned in the case. One person lying is enough. If you have a case, the person should first be prosecuted by the law and only then should you be able to seek monetary payment.
This panel embodies America. Jay, Bull, and Jason were "creepy" and very disgusting in their silence when GBush spoke on the N-Word and race. The Black Man had to bring reality to this subject..,but then they tried to nail jello to the wall on the rest of the Deshaun topic...SMH
This case rests on the two spas that reportedly banned Justin Tucker. Interview the employees, managers, and the owners. Are there any incident reports, call logs, emails, or text messages? If either of those spas have contemporaneous documentation, then that will strengthen what the accusers are alleging.
@ what I’m saying is I think A LOT of athletes especially professional do this but only a very small percentage actually get put into this position. Maybe they end up pissin the wrong person off 🤷🏾♂️
@@OTRKINGREEMJABBAR maybe so , these guys should be using team massage therapists at team facilities , they are shooting themselves in the foot by going to third party massage businesses , there’s gotta be accountability there
It's obvious that there will be a certain segment of the population who will be easier on Tucker due to race, but generally speaking, I think most fans are better than that.
Agree 100% you saw the same thing happen in the Watson case. You'll never get 100% of people to do anything in unity especially anything race related, just gotta stop acknowledging them and giving them a voice or platform.
Justin won't go through what Deshawn went through. Because he plays for a team the NFL likes. I truly believe if Deshawn had went to Atlanta Miami Carolina and maby pittsburg he would have gotten less of a sentence. And he would of played alot better over all.
It will be different if Tucker only has 6 allegations vs the 20 something Deshaun had. Let’s not get it all twisted that it’s a black vs white issue, yes those people exist but I would think they are the minority and they just seem like they are loud about it.
wonder how different watson would’ve played if he was only suspended the first 6 games he was initially supposed to miss, less time off the field and maybe would’ve caught fire towards the end of the season instead of just returning for 6 games then he’s off the field again for the offseason
Steelers fans defended Big Ben and still won. Ravens fans aren't going to publicly humiliate Tucker because they're a good team that wins. Browns fans are different. They don't learn from other fanbases. They publicly and nationally acted like rabid animals when DW4 became thier QB and continously proclaimed his innonence against the charges, yet Browns fans wanted to believe the worst so they could justify being a factory of sadness and ineptitude rather than supporting thier player like the Browns players do. And YES, G.Bush is right......Ohio is known to be racist. I'm surprised it's not a Southern state. So, now that Jay-Z is suing Buzbee for trying the same sh-t, ya'll still believe DW4 is guilty even though no police reports were filed(like in the Justin Tucker case), 2 D.A's and 2 grand juries acquitted him of breaking any laws....I bet ya'll STILL think otherwise. Look at ya'll,... ruined the best QB ya'll could've had. - Factory of SMDH!
There are laws in all states where people who make false reports to the Police are in violation of the law and can and usually are charged with making a false report if it can be proven that they lied. A false report to the media or a lawyer is not a violation of the law.
I imagine this happens a LOT and is never reported. Men should have massages by men, women by women.....that should end sexual assault allegations.....
He was already having problems mentally this year just like Deshaun. He had to know this article/lawsuit was on the horizon. It was already affecting his play. He should just retire
I think you are missing something here: he sucked this year because he knew this stuff was coming. This stuff ate him up mentally just like it has Watson. That's why he fell apart.
If they have the evidence they will be. Skin color doesn't have anything to do with SA , Love how you interjected a race thing into your comment 🤦🏻♂️ Drelldaruler keeping racism alive in 2025
In reality people who do what these guys do and are not NFL players go to jail. If you are an athlete you get sued instead and get 230 million dollar contracts.
Tucker probably knew these allegations were going to be made public for a while now... which most likely ( mentally) contributed to his bad play this year.
Ones a kicker and one is a qb wit the largest contract, at the time, in nfl history. It’s not even apples to oranges, it’s apples to gasoline. They will cut the kicker and it’s over, browns were stuck with this guy.
I lived in SC for many years, was a Clemson fan, and followed Deshaun when he played there. I was a big Deshaun fan back then. His actions outside of football as a pro soured me on Deshaun and I certainly no longer a fan. His performance as a Brown has been horrible, and Deshaun gave up a pile of draft picks to get him. Those picks would have made a huge difference over the last several years. Sad.
G Bush taking the Ryan Clark/Stephen A. Smith blueprint. Let me run with the race hustle and hope some woke company elevates my grifting voice. So embarrassing
@ it’s not the boogeyman you all hope and pretend it is. Y’all crybabies act like it’s the 1950s. I’m not white and am disgusted and embarrassed whenever I hear people that try to come off as serious use this weak take
G doesn't understand the Internet is full of freaks and trolls? To say we hated Watson because we're racist is lazy. Texans fans welcomed him back and cheered his first game with the browns. Ridiculous take.
I’m so sick of everyone bringing up Ben Roslisbergers case it’s absolutely nothing like Watsons case.Bens was one woman in a bar one time it was his word against hers he said it was consensual,Bens was exactly like Kobe’s case were a girl said he forced his way on her he said it was consensual.Watson was using so many different women for massages you know he’s guilty it’s totally abnormal and we have phone records to prove it.
It was 2 women and Ben was an ACTUAL rape. Not an allegation, etc....He actually RAPED those women in a damn bathroom. One woman actually filed police charges and they performed a rape kit. See the difference? But no...... ya'll was cool with it. DW4 had happy endings and consensual sex with massage therapists and ya'll called him a rapist. Delete your whole comment.
Since there’s phone records on Watson, why did those same individuals reach out to him after the date of the allegations trying to get him to come back??
No we will go different about it because he’s only being accused by a very few women,Watson was being accused of abusing 25 women.Watson hired 40 women his phone records showed he contacted up to 60 women he’s a full blown predator.From what we heard so far it’s comparing apples and oranges.Of course everyone is going to make it a race issue when it as nothing to do with race .The statute of limitations is also coming into play with this Tucker case .
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Watson was never banned from any of those places, in fact many of those women were begging him to come back and professed their "love" for him via text messages.
Finally! Somebody mentioned this! Thank you
Big Ben only got 3 games for something far worse than what Deshawn did. But also they are both allegations.
Deshawn was over 20 women with several being just as bad as what Big Ben was accused of.
Right!
Why doesn't anybody ever look at this from the other side? I've never had a massage, but as an attractive male, I have been inappropriately touched and asked to do inappropriate things a number of times in my life (mostly doctor offices and hair cutting salons). One nurse couldn't stop touching my Johnson (with a big smile from ear to ear) while I was getting an ultrasound, but no one in this country ever holds the females accountable or hates on them. The hate/punishment always falls on the males 100% of the time. What a joke! Not saying Tucker is innocent, time will tell, but Deshaun got 100% of the hate and those women were never ever second guessed, not for one second, despite zero proof of their allegations.
Zero proof? 1 girl maybe no proof. Over 20 shows a pattern. Patterns can be proof.
A pattern of allegations that's all. If you can provide one shred of evidence I am listening. If you're a man and you live in America and get accused by a woman of anything sexual, you are guilty until proven innocent. Just ask the punt god. He lost millions and his family literally received death threats while his criminal false accuser received NO PUNISHMENT at all. Like I said before, what a joke! Both the real courts and the court of public opinion (aka the kangaroo court) are a JOKE@@larryambrose2660
@@larryambrose2660 Pattern is evidence. Not proof. Use a dictionary.
It won't get covered the same way as Watson
Well it's blasted all over the Internet already and you have smaller regional shows like this one with 50k subs doing a 30 minute segment on it. Pretty safe to say it definitely is
Of course, it won’t be covered exactly the same. Watson was a big name player about to make a $230 million deal. Tucker is a lowly kicker (albeit a very successful kicker).
@@vistalite quite possibly the best ever...
@@draimonshepherd1791 Few care about any kicker. I don’t even know the current Browns kicker. I can name only three from history. Lou Groza, b/c he was from the golden era and has a trophy named after him. Matt Bahr, b/c he was with the Steelers when they were dominating the NFL and eventually came to the Browns. Garo Yepremian b/c he was with that great Dolphins team and he threw that pass like a girl.
It will in Baltimore unless he retires right away then nobody will care. Had the Houston prosecutor had him indicted everything would have been different with Watson. Had the Browns not foolishly traded 3 first round picks for him and given him all that money there would have been pretty much nothing about him in Cleveland or anywhere else except Houston.
Justin Tugger
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If people were arrested for unsubstantiated claims, this entire panel would be arrested
Bull is the kind of judgemental person who pisses me off. Deal with facts not your opinion! People like you send innocent folks to prison.
People like you are the reason sexual predators don't go to prison
It's civil buddy
Tucker also isn’t a qb so it’s not as controversial.
Yes G Bush. There are racists out there. We all know this.
However, racist people existing in the world will not affect how this story is covered. It's already too public.
In all fairness, Jay probably struggles intellectually with the rules of peekaboo.
He's too busy listening to himself to think.. give him a break.. no one likes to hear J more than J
The problem with the statement from Bull is that if you wanted you could find many women who will say that something happened with any athlete. Women can show up in the files as Jane Doe and whether she is lying or not still get a payday and never have their name mentioned in the case. One person lying is enough. If you have a case, the person should first be prosecuted by the law and only then should you be able to seek monetary payment.
This panel embodies America. Jay, Bull, and Jason were "creepy" and very disgusting in their silence when GBush spoke on the N-Word and race. The Black Man had to bring reality to this subject..,but then they tried to nail jello to the wall on the rest of the Deshaun topic...SMH
Goodell won't Handel it the same way. Goodell will be light with this. Goodell didn't want Watson to play for the Browns.
This case rests on the two spas that reportedly banned Justin Tucker. Interview the employees, managers, and the owners. Are there any incident reports, call logs, emails, or text messages? If either of those spas have contemporaneous documentation, then that will strengthen what the accusers are alleging.
Something tells me this is way more common then ppl think
So u saying u doing this shit too huh? Y'all weird asf
@ u sound stupid
Welp athletes will continue getting sued ruining their lives and legacies lol
@ what I’m saying is I think A LOT of athletes especially professional do this but only a very small percentage actually get put into this position. Maybe they end up pissin the wrong person off 🤷🏾♂️
@@OTRKINGREEMJABBAR maybe so , these guys should be using team massage therapists at team facilities , they are shooting themselves in the foot by going to third party massage businesses , there’s gotta be accountability there
didn't Harbaugh give us a moral lecture when we took Watson?
Naaa he only cared that they gave him a fully guaranteed contract because they were about to start negotiating with Lamar lol
Now he's happy as can be we traded our future away for deshaun
Nobody mentioned the pats owner 🤔
Justin Tucker will just retire...because he can. His kicking has falling off this years anyways ironically.
I do not think ironically. He knew about this for quite a while and it has affected his concentration.
@@martyc2637sure u sound dumbasf
@@martyc2637 I agree, makes sense.
You guys should scoop him up with a ridiculous contract.... he is right on brand
It's obvious that there will be a certain segment of the population who will be easier on Tucker due to race, but generally speaking, I think most fans are better than that.
You mean just like a certain segment of the population was easy on Watson because of race?
I’m so damn sick of the race bs.
Agree 100% you saw the same thing happen in the Watson case. You'll never get 100% of people to do anything in unity especially anything race related, just gotta stop acknowledging them and giving them a voice or platform.
@@PaulPass123facts.
You give the fan base to much credit
@@jamesbarker9895 just like a certain segment of the fan base was easier on Watson?
G is a clown
Justin won't go through what Deshawn went through. Because he plays for a team the NFL likes. I truly believe if Deshawn had went to Atlanta Miami Carolina and maby pittsburg he would have gotten less of a sentence. And he would of played alot better over all.
I love this show but Jay always wants to hear himself and talks over everyone
It will be different if Tucker only has 6 allegations vs the 20 something Deshaun had. Let’s not get it all twisted that it’s a black vs white issue, yes those people exist but I would think they are the minority and they just seem like they are loud about it.
The accused and the accusers should both be anonymous
Why all they want is money
Jay Crawford be so cringe sometimes
"It was all a misunderstanding. I set up an appointment to have my 3rd leg worked on and they agreed"
Are the Browns trading for Justin Tucker? Lots of guaranteed $$$?
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The Browns are probably gonna offer him a gagillion dollars of guaranteed money now after having found this out
wonder how different watson would’ve played if he was only suspended the first 6 games he was initially supposed to miss, less time off the field and maybe would’ve caught fire towards the end of the season instead of just returning for 6 games then he’s off the field again for the offseason
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Lmaooooooooo the coping his hilarious
@@b-rad3681 not really coping, i don’t care but just a random thought
Just in. Browns traded away 2026 2027 and 2028 6th round picks to Baltimore for Justin Tucker.
Stop please please 🤣🤣🤣
The amount of times I've heard this low hanging fruit comment is crazy 😂. So original..
@@Covain88Deshaun is a scumbag.
Steelers fans defended Big Ben and still won.
Ravens fans aren't going to publicly humiliate Tucker because they're a good team that wins.
Browns fans are different. They don't learn from other fanbases.
They publicly and nationally acted like rabid animals when DW4 became thier QB and continously proclaimed his innonence against the charges, yet Browns fans wanted to believe the worst so they could justify being a factory of sadness and ineptitude rather than supporting thier player like the Browns players do. And YES, G.Bush is right......Ohio is known to be racist. I'm surprised it's not a Southern state. So, now that Jay-Z is suing Buzbee for trying the same sh-t, ya'll still believe DW4 is guilty even though no police reports were filed(like in the Justin Tucker case), 2 D.A's and 2 grand juries acquitted him of breaking any laws....I bet ya'll STILL think otherwise. Look at ya'll,... ruined the best QB ya'll could've had. - Factory of SMDH!
Deshaun barely played idiot … how is he the best QB the browns ever had ??
There are laws in all states where people who make false reports to the Police are in violation of the law and can and usually are charged with making a false report if it can be proven that they lied. A false report to the media or a lawyer is not a violation of the law.
I imagine this happens a LOT and is never reported. Men should have massages by men, women by women.....that should end sexual assault allegations.....
Most of the women with Watson didn't have licenses, these are businesses like Kraft 😂
yep, not making excuses, but I really don't think most of Watson's "masseuses" were really "masseuses'
@@rccollins1456 Hey these women took 1 hour of Community College massage classes and set up at the local bar like all entrepreneurs.
not like kraft cuz they want report it . they want the money
@@jerryangton408 Spell check and full sentences would help in this situation.
Him violating the conduct policy and doing everything those women said he did could be two totally different things.
He was already having problems mentally this year just like Deshaun. He had to know this article/lawsuit was on the horizon. It was already affecting his play. He should just retire
I think you are missing something here: he sucked this year because he knew this stuff was coming. This stuff ate him up mentally just like it has Watson. That's why he fell apart.
They better have that same energy for that white boy like they did Watson
Found the racist!
If they have the evidence they will be. Skin color doesn't have anything to do with SA , Love how you interjected a race thing into your comment 🤦🏻♂️ Drelldaruler keeping racism alive in 2025
Yea they better give the white boy 230 million dollars just like they gave the black boy.
@@anthonypa8045 ninja please he is a fucking kicker!
@@anthonypa8045 is money really the difference?
Corpus Juris Secundum. The lawyers FIRST DUTY IS TO THE COURT. THEN THE PUBLIC. NOT THE CLIENT. 🤷🏾♂️
It’s been out 1 day…my lord these guys are dumb
In reality people who do what these guys do and are not NFL players go to jail. If you are an athlete you get sued instead and get 230 million dollar contracts.
Tucker probably knew these allegations were going to be made public for a while now... which most likely ( mentally) contributed to his bad play this year.
Like Ray Rice. His skills has declined. His career should be over.
Ones a kicker and one is a qb wit the largest contract, at the time, in nfl history. It’s not even apples to oranges, it’s apples to gasoline. They will cut the kicker and it’s over, browns were stuck with this guy.
The suspension should be more than 11 games because the league is going to point to the Watson situation and say that Tucker obviously did not get it.
I lived in SC for many years, was a Clemson fan, and followed Deshaun when he played there. I was a big Deshaun fan back then. His actions outside of football as a pro soured me on Deshaun and I certainly no longer a fan. His performance as a Brown has been horrible, and Deshaun gave up a pile of draft picks to get him. Those picks would have made a huge difference over the last several years. Sad.
Allegations from 3 more women after the Baltimore Banner article.
Does the nfl pay this lady judge directly????? If so isnt that wildy hypocrite
Yeah ol Ray Ray was in a orange jumpsuit on ESPN for murder and didnt get suspended from practice so its a case to case matter
His kicking may have declined because he knew what was coming
G Bush taking the Ryan Clark/Stephen A. Smith blueprint. Let me run with the race hustle and hope some woke company elevates my grifting voice. So embarrassing
So race has (never) been a factor?
@ it’s not the boogeyman you all hope and pretend it is. Y’all crybabies act like it’s the 1950s. I’m not white and am disgusted and embarrassed whenever I hear people that try to come off as serious use this weak take
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@@GregLucas-pv8nmnow that would be the trick of all tricks if I could pull that one off
Justin TuckHer
Interesting comment about the second amendment, how soon we forget about the first amendment taken away from guys in the NFL
G Bush talks a lot and says nothing.
Bull needs to change him name to Steer.
Nice to see Jay Crawford Firsttake OG
G doesn't understand the Internet is full of freaks and trolls? To say we hated Watson because we're racist is lazy. Texans fans welcomed him back and cheered his first game with the browns. Ridiculous take.
Why you acting surprised G played the race card & accused Ohio of being racist tho
@@b-rad3681 Insulting your audience, on a 3 year old lazy take, is a curious way to fill time on the show.
Massage Watson was within a year or 2 not 9
Get judges from Greenland
Love Gs wardrobe.
He should get 16.456286 games
Tucker will get the Trump experience
I don't think he will become president lol
Idiot
@@stevenroyer8731give it 4 years
I’m so sick of everyone bringing up Ben Roslisbergers case it’s absolutely nothing like Watsons case.Bens was one woman in a bar one time it was his word against hers he said it was consensual,Bens was exactly like Kobe’s case were a girl said he forced his way on her he said it was consensual.Watson was using so many different women for massages you know he’s guilty it’s totally abnormal and we have phone records to prove it.
It was 2 women and Ben was an ACTUAL rape. Not an allegation, etc....He actually RAPED those women in a damn bathroom. One woman actually filed police charges and they performed a rape kit. See the difference? But no...... ya'll was cool with it. DW4 had happy endings and consensual sex with massage therapists and ya'll called him a rapist. Delete your whole comment.
Since there’s phone records on Watson, why did those same individuals reach out to him after the date of the allegations trying to get him to come back??
The goofiest comment in this thread
No we will go different about it because he’s only being accused by a very few women,Watson was being accused of abusing 25 women.Watson hired 40 women his phone records showed he contacted up to 60 women he’s a full blown predator.From what we heard so far it’s comparing apples and oranges.Of course everyone is going to make it a race issue when it as nothing to do with race .The statute of limitations is also coming into play with this Tucker case .
Please stop commenting on topics you know nothing of. There is no statute of limitations when it comes to sex crimes.
1 is to many you azhole!
So 6 is good to you?
Maybe the browns can trade some first round picks for him... Since our kicker sucks...
Big Ben only got 3 games for something far worse than what Deshawn did. But also they are both allegations.