Altruism Kills Self-Esteem: Ayn Rand Explains
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
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This was Ayn Rand's answer to a question during a radio interview on the psychology of altruism.
Question: What are the psychological effects of altruism?
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(00:10) - What are the psychological effects of altruism?
“The Psychology of Altruism.” Columbia University WKCR, 1964
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Eventually we see individuals who start believing society owns them.
Yes. The exact opposite of what we've got now: entire grievance groups and/or a generation of narcissistic people who believe society OWES them and they have no responsibility at all to anyone else. We had this conversation when Riley Strain disappeared in Nashville and people were asking why his frat brothers didn't stick with him when he was kicked out of that bar. Not even one friend went with him. The response of us older ones thought it was shameful there was no buddy system in place. The response of the younger people asserted they are going out to have a good time... not to be somebody's babysitter! I'm like..... ummmm, can't you do both? Balance is the key. Enjoy yourself, look out for yourself, but watch out for each other, too.
Digital Cattle. It's a thing
Zombies
I believe the hope here is: "we're all in this together. We need to support each other". But what they actually mean is, "everyone needs to be responsible for, and care for, me."
Man she really had phenomenal insights. No she wasn’t always right. But right often enough to take the ideas seriously.
She was always right. A truly once in a millennial genius.
She always made sure to point out that Altruism or any form of it, like charity is only ok when it comes voluntarily! you cannot force it on someone without sever consequences in the long run.
She doesn't point out that altruism(conventional)when superogatory, such as willingly giving to charity is a moral good this is a major short coming we ought to encourage such behavior and I'd question what constitutes obligatory a person who cheats you within the confines of the law is still a bad person in my eyes is it coercive to say that cheating someone is evil
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I love how they said "he" or "she" in those days, not the grammatically incorrect "they".
Wow. All of that is true.
Absolutely right!
100% agreed 🙏❤️🇺🇲
I grew up in a leftist family and indeed I've been depressed and lacked self-esteem for most of my life. I began to notice when I started working, the frequent difference in self-esteem between my right and left leaning coworkers.
may absolute unbiased and objective truth and justice prevail
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So what do we call Ayn Rand herself? Clearly she is not selfish by the traditional definition. I guess from what I've heard from her talk on love, she would say she is indeed selfish, because making the world a better place for others makes her happy? Btw I find it interesting that her idea of selfishness is actually similar to what many Buddhists preach, they say something like "in order to best help others, you first have to help yourself and achieve happiness, happy people become good people".
The opposite of altruism is egoism. So she's an egoist, properly.
There is a reason why on airlines you're told to put the oxygen mask over your face first, before you try to help those around you.
All human beings, indeed all living things, survive through a combination of competition and cooperation. Wolves hunt in packs, but the biggest wolf eats first. People compete with each other for property and resources, but cooperate to protect their communities.
This paradox of competition / cooperation is fundamental to life. In my view, altruism is basically an attitude of prioritizing cooperation. Rand's ideology prioritizes competition.
The issue here is when regimes "prioritized cooperation" in the 20th century, an estimated 100 million died, mainly starvation.
Altruism, the anti epistemology code.
Huh? 🤣
I was raised to be an altruist by a group of narcissists. I do believe in altruism in order to have a whole life but it requires that everyone pour into everyone's cup and that's just not going to happen. I don't like these viewpoints because there's no way anyone can just be ONE of some sort of ideological camp. It's a proprietary blend for each individual.
it only rings so if is not in your nature. Not everyone is wired the same, for many altruism brings happiness because we see the bigger picture and for the greater good. To many that is = happiness but if not in your nature that what she saying rings so.
If its genuine its not altruism.
This is very interesting, I appreciate your comments! Unlike altruism, generosity is not in conflict with self interest. I had to google the difference. Thank you, enjoy your day!☀️
@@trolli101 Perhaps one is mixing anthropology (materialism, biological) with psychology by juxtaposing them; men are born evil and selfish in nature is self evident without the artificial "education" of actuality (reasoning). To say is not genuine I completely disagree, psychology doesn't follow conditions nor propositions of validity but only contradictions. Altruism is conceptual a understanding of actuality (Education understanding the parts). Even though my inner feelings are saying is not beneficial to me, reason is telling me is for the greater good through the artificial social construct such as "education understanding the whys and parts." Character is a social construct and yes altruism is also artificial and social construct so is self interests but not selfishness.
No Crypto.... altruism NEVER brings happiness. Being KIND can bring happiness. Being generous can bring happiness. Caring for those you deem worthy certainly brings one happiness.
But none of those things are part of altruism.
Altruism requires that you put the lives of ALL OTHERS before your own life.
Putting the lives of YOUR children before your own is NOT altruism.... it is selfish, and it is natural.
Helping a neighbor or friend that you like to pay their bills is NOT altruism. If you like them, you did it for selfish, natural reasons.
Altruism REQUIRES that you get NOTHING from the transaction. No sense of joy, no accolades from others, no pride.... NOTHING.
Altruism is helping those you despise.... because then you get NOTHING in return.
Making a charitable donation to the World Federation of Nazi Pedophiles might qualify as altruism.... assuming you despise Nazi pedophiles.
@@johnnynick3621 Again, anything under human psychology is "contradictory" [distribution] and not propositional [analytic definition] meaning "happiness" under psychology is "subjective" and "temporal" as well as having good reasoning behind the intent (happiness). There is also a fine line between foolishness and prudence by helping neighbors pay their bills, of course, depending on the circumstances and context but regardless that is being "charitable" not altruistic at all and that discussion has to do more with "Character" not altruism at all. Altruism is the "bigger picture" is big not two people or 3 is an institution, society, or the planet or the cause (Big) for the greater good. Now to address your point, does altruism bring happiness? Yes under Human psychology meaning not to you but yes to many. "happiness is one's own imagination" THE SKY'S THE LIMIT.
This is nonsense
Care to explain how it's nonsense?
@@DR--- zionist propaganda and against human rights law
@@Rhymerjoo
Ayn rand uses a nonsensical definition of altruism I gave a homeless guy 5 bucks it's negating my own existence feeling good about it means I have no self esteem or it means that it actually was selfishness
@@Thanatos562 The "nonsensical definition of Altruism" refers to the moral and political social imperatives instantiated by regimes such as the USSR and China.
As for the psychological basis of altruism this is well discussed in the academic literature, particularly in moral philosophy and evolutionary theory.
The fact that you feel this is "nonsense" only means you are very poorly educated on all matters in relation to this.
His "spiritual self-esteem"... did you catch that? I appreciate her acknowledging that unlike her sycophants lmfao
"[B]y 'spiritual' I mean: 'pertaining to man's consciousness'." - The Objectivist Ethics
Did you just jump the gun?
@@dinksmallwood5561 Dropped the context, more like.
@@Gorboduc what is objective about consciousness..? And what's the difference between consciousness and spirit..?
@@dinksmallwood5561 over your head?
This channel is really intellectually stimulating But it’s sad that it has fallen to the
Propagation of 🇮🇱 Lies
What lies? I've seen none.
They’re paid by Apaic
@@gwenrobinson1825 Evidence.... or simply conjecture?
@@johnnynick6179 much like how you work for Hasbara Program, APAIC donations are all viewable for the public.
@@gwenrobinson1825 You're engaging in a logical fallacy called "poisoning the well". Either arguments are good or bad and you can explain why. Complaining about other things is, well, just stupid.
OR, you remember what it felt like when someone helped you, so you help someone else. If you ever been on a hike, this is called "trail magic".
This hideous woman was incapable of empathy. You don't have to destroy yourself to be good to others. You simply have to recall the feeling you had when someone helped you, and then show some gratitude. That's it.
Any other weird connection she's making between altruism and self-loathing is a stretch too far.
Here is another uneducated person who believes that being an "altruist" means being kind or having empathy. It does not. Learn the meaning of words before you try to criticize people who use them correctly.
People helping each other are engaging in activities of mutual cooperative benefit. Altruism is where you help everyone and nobody helps you back. 😉
OompaLoompaFu I don't think you listened to a word she said. You heard that the video was criticizing aulturism and typed your angry response without watching the video first.
@@DR--- That's kind of how Rand criticism works these days.
@@DR--- Not true. I watched it. It was only 2 minutes long, easy
Selfishness kills other people
Selfishness benefits everyone, it's what keeps us alive.
Which people? Those that are a benefit to your life and give value to it or those who seek to destroy you and your values?
Relax TPaine76, Happy people like us Objectivists won't kill you. Our schedules are too full with living life to the fullest. 😁
Is it possible to do something that is not selfish? What and why?
I really like the childhood story of the ants and the grasshopper. You should read and study it.
Ego builds up your self esteem and at times by lying to yourself, evading realty for the self-esteem boost. This in itself is a problem when applied to the masses, just open your eyes to peopls behavior. I like Ayn but i dont see eye to eye on this one.
I think she would argue it's about seeing things objectively. Talking yourself up is no better than talking yourself down.
@@willnitschke I am looking at it objectively. If anything I would say that balance would play a crucial role here. Anything taken into the extreme will result in negative outcomes. Including self esteem.
@@AndreiStoen But it's still better to respect yourself than let others treat you like a door mat. People who are dumb enough to over estimate themselves, typically learn the hard way, eventually. Unless of course they are involved in government, then there are no consequences for them, only for the rest of us.
@@willnitschke dumb enough? We're all dumb to various degrees on many different subjects. Personally I had to eliminate statements like dumb and smart internally, same with many other terms. I have never met a person that actively disrespects themselves. On the other hand respect is relative, internally or externally. Like I stated before, self-esteem, ego, selflessness, selfishness, etc... all are susceptible to extremes. Going full retards in extreme will have more negative consequences than good, for self and others. Am I wrong?
@@AndreiStoen The vast majority of people are stupid about almost everything. Only the smart appreciate how much they don't understand. If that hurts your feelings, why would I care? So why complain to me?
I don't see Rand arguing for extreme positions in the above clip, so I don't see what you're complaining about. Apparently you just like to whine.