Have a listen to the Gradient Fi loudspeakers.They have cardiord radiation from midrange up. I have the 1.3 and the early Revolution models for almost 30 years and they still sound great.
Do more of these! Love these kind of videos.. Honestly I’d love to see you break them up, “best floorstanding speakers”, “best bookshelf speaker”, “best desktop speaker” (that last one would prolly be a grand slam, more people are looking for a quality PC setup than you think).. Maybe even take into other pieces of kit you enjoy, DAC’s/amps etc!
“Best desktop PC Speakers under $500”= 💰! (Or insert whatever price point, u can even do more than one) I know there’s a lot of videos out there like this, but if you can get your video out in that algorithm it’ll be timeless.. College kids need them for their dorm, younger kids on their gaming setup, moms and pops who do work from home or spend time in front of their PC, everyone wants a good value speaker outside of the shit Logitech offerings for their desktop cuz not everyone is interested in a home theatre or have a full listening room, but everyone does listen to music at their desktop! Looking for this exact video is what brought me into the audiophile world which is turn eventually brought me to your channel
@@ErinsAudioCornerthis is a good idea for growing your channel too. And not that many (if any) out there that are not paid by the companies. Cool thing with bringing normie viewers is you get to also educate them with the rest of the content you do. Also price range rankings is a good idea i think. Top 5 under $2000 and so on.
I bought the Lintons after your review and I never listened to as much music as I do now. You can just listen all day long without any fatigue, love them.
I’m a big fan of the Dutch & Dutch speakers. Nice that they’re from the Netherlands. It’s such a complete package, really full range, cardioid, dsp, digital inputs, room correction, roon endpoint and great looks. I have the 8m, the non cardioid version without the 2 woofers in the back, which is also still very very good. ❤
These really are the speakers I wish I could get for my living room. They're just way above what I'm willing to spend. I wish someone could make a speaker like this around $2,500/pair.
Happy new year, I got the rotel 1582 to try with the r700 and lintons. I’m disappointed as I can’t resolve the fatigue with the Polks. I tried moving everywhere even adding 8 acoustic panels! The lintons sound great and no fatigue, but seem not as loud or exciting as the Polks. Am I settling on keeping the lintons? Seems like everyone raves about the Polks but I can’t beat the fatigue. Maybe it’s the rotel? Just want to feel ok about returning the Polks. Thank you
I had a similar experience with one of the other Polks. It might’ve been the R 200. I can’t recall the exact model now. But it was one of the smaller bookshelf speakers. So you are probably justified in hearing what you are hearing.
Fantastic video! Very good job at providing the objective and the subjective without getting too much in the weeds. I liked how you defined your criteria, and then pointed out strengths / weaknesses of these speakers according to your criteria. Very well done!
I've had the Lintones for about 6 months, and for the first 4 months I set them up the way everyone suggests (tweeters inward), the sound was good, but it was "located" between the speakers (it didn't spread outwards). Then I changed the position of the speakers, so I placed the tweeters towards the outside and immediately I got a much wider sound image that went outside the position of the speakers (expanding to the left and right, as if I had a wider room). I read in a couple of places that for narrower and longer rooms it is better to have the tweeters facing the outside, and for wider and narrower rooms it is better to have the tweeters facing the inside. I'm interested in your opinion on this, i.e. is it OK to keep the speakers positioned like that or maybe it's better the way everyone suggests (tweeters inward) ? The dimensions of the room are: - width 3.6m - length 7.3 m - height 2.5m THANK YOU
A great video, once again. I think this video will blow up, comparatively, because “top xyz” videos are so easily searched. I hope this one brings you a bunch more subscribers, you deserve it.
Dutch & Dutch 8C's are my dream speakers. I was not surprised they were on your list. There are way too few cardioid speakers out there for some reason. Most people have to keep their speakers near walls, it makes no sense that most speakers are not designed to be used that way.
New band for me until he reviewed them. I would like to hear some good active speakers. I have only heard ones under $2000. They were all good for the money. But an all out assault would be cool.
I've used/mixed on countless actives. I own and currently use JBL, QSC, and Seaton actives. All absolute stand outs in their respective price level. All out assault actives would include ATC, Augsburger, Dynaudio, Genelec, etc. btw, there's no greater value in all of hifi than affordable active monitors. There's many quality offerings, but JBL's 8" two-way is phenomenal for what it does. $250, for the trickle down tech of JBL's several decades of research ... active, dsp contoured, with the killer waveguide. The active monitor segment is hugely competitive ... thus each mfr to continually elevating their game.
What's the relationship between Linton Heritage and Linton 85th? Is there some deal breaker differences? The 85th is (I assume) a limited time and/or quantity deal.
Not sure if this is in line with your content, but I'd be interested in a video discussing room acoustics for the consumer and what effects reflections cause such as the room modes and standing waves, comb filtering and other phase problems one might expect to find etc.
Hi Erin, had you already tested the R3 meta when you did this video? Do you still think that Lintons are a better value than R3 Metas? I encourage you to ask Kef a pair of R7 to test, should be even better
Love this kind of list, so many liked the Linton's I got a pair. I'm not as happy as the reviewers, but I am happy with it. I think I need to mess with in my room to get best results. Thanks for sharing your lists and measurements!
Get an Umik and do some EQ. It will make a big difference. Or minidsp with dirac, that would be night and day. If you can also add a sub there's nothing else left. These speakers are really good
That was the one I was expecting to see but didn't as well. My guess: The KEF Reference 1s filled the "high end bookshelf that measures really well" for him and he wanted to get a more affordable option in there (the Lintons) instead.
Hi Erin: Can you point me towards a 7+4+1 design that I could either buy or kit build? I see that PKaudio and Troels Gravesen both have offerings in the kit format but I’m unaware of commercial offerings. You might ask why I would limit myself to this design? I would consider other designs but it seems that these 3-way designs address some shortcomings with my current 2-way revelator speaker that I currently own - which I like btw. Anyway, I would hate to make the DIY trip if it doesn’t buy me much more. Auditioning a commercial product would help with the decision.
Welcome back Mr Erin… Missing your reviews since quite sometime and happy that you are back. Pretty nice review. Top 4 are out of reach. I own Lintons and enjoining them well 😎😎😎
ERIN. I know I’ve been tough on you a time or two. But THIS IS EXACTLY how to “review” speakers. But. Me being ,as you know (and I think will remember given the subtle overture that set the tone I’m sure you felt lol ) me being “ONE OF THOSE ADS GUYS” . I can’t argue with your list here for different reasons in where they shine & preferences. As you explained perfectly. And that’s exactly how these other “EXPERTS” should do this & what they should pay attention to. 👍.
I would love to hear your thoughts on Ascend Acoustics speakers given just how measurement-oriented that company is! I'm sure some of their speakers would suit your tastes rather well
I have to mention a speaker that is really well designed. I had a choice between the jbl 4309 or the fyne audio f500sp. I chose the f500sp because i couldn't losten to the jbl prior to buying it. It might not have perfect response, but it is very sensive to the quality of input. It's taken about 150hours now and its has started to run in. I chose it because i wanted a coax with a compression driver. Also no ports on the back or front. I work in the industry, i can easily say this speaker is in a class of its own. It is fast, super clean and the stage is brilliant. It will blow the kef r3 out of the water in terms of point sorce, clarity and speed. When you get a chance, have a listen. Setting up is extremely important with them. When done right they dissapear compleatly. Cheers buddy. Keep up the good work and greetings from Croatia 👍🏻
Erin great job as always. I would love to see you recommend speakers for home theater where dedicated subs are assumed. Personally I don’t care if a speaker extends much below 60-80hz because I have two massive subs to handle low bass. In my room these speakers are 100% home theater, I just don’t use the space for critical music listening (2 channel).
Erin, what frequency does you polar radiation pattern chart starts from? I am wondering why it doesn't show omnipolar radiation at low frequencies. In this video I've seen it only for the Revel speaker.
Heard the KEF Reference 1 Metas with a sub array, 3 subs per side, of REL S/510s…wow! Amazing full, rich sound! Sounded noticeably better with the subs on vs the KEFs alone, which were still outstanding
Everyone in the @kef enthusiast group that has heard both will tell you that none of the R series get anywhere close to the reference series. The R11s don’t even get close to the Reference 1.
Erin, Do the Linton's have the definition of KLH Model 5's? I am looking for a speaker in the $2500 and under range and prefer one that is capable of providing a great listening experience, without lacking in detail. Thanks!
Have you considered JBL L82? I think they're around that price target and are very detailed. The MoFi Sourcepoint are very detailed, but you'd be looking at the 8's for that price and I've only heard the $3700 Sourcepoint 10s.
Outstanding synopsis video. I'd suggest dynamic capability, startle factor ... whatever, is a characteristic we weight more significantly than the other linearity tenets we look for. I believe that dynamic, low compression, less lossy transfer is the vital x factor in inability to discern live from pre-recorded playback ... around the corner, or out of sight. Savvy list!
The look of a speaker is very important to me and I have found that I like a little subtlety in appearance. So, even if price were no object here, I might go with the Lintons. Definitely not the JBL's! I think Sonus Faber does a great job with design. Elegant but subtle. I was very tempted to get the Sonetto IIIs. Unfortunately, I could only hear them at the store which is not set up for the best listening experience. Without a home trial, I passed. Would be great to see you review a pair. Probably don't measure all that well though from what I've read. 🤷🏻♂️
For me, my Sonus Faber sonettos sound thick warm in the mid to low range, soft on top yet still Sparkles and even though I use Dirac.. where measurements are concerned, I'd rather use those things on the side of my head!
Am wondering why the March Audio Sointuva WG didn’t make your cut? You seemed to speak extremely positively about it. And you mentioned it measured at the very top of the mountain. Thanks!
Nice review! I have the Lintons and for me, the Audiolab DC block bring up the upper mid/hi and details perfectly. That would be Dac and amp dependent however. ( mojo 2 - SMSL VMV A1 in my case)
When you say "soundstage"? Are you referring to the how wide the image SOUNDS in my brain, or are you talking about the physical "projection" area of the sound waves coming from the speaker? Thanks. Love your channel.
Hey Erin, I thought it was a fun video! I just saw the thread about it on ASR and I completely disagree with Amir on this. I don't think it's clickbait. This is like one of those topics that come up when people talk about any hobby they like. And even if they were reviewed earlier, it's not like I'm going to search for a review of the Dutch & Dutch 8c if I don't even know it exists. That's why 'top videos' are useful if they are done by someone who knows what they are talking about. If someone watches a 'top 5 under 500$/1000$/desktop/active monitor/etc.' video they get a quick comparison and maybe some new options so they can look up more detailed reviews if they are interested. Threads like that is the reason I don't like ASR, other than to look up some quick measurements if they have them.
I wish I could donate more per review.. also w wish more people donated $1 or $2 per video.. if nothing else could cover your shipping costs of speakers. Thank you for honest and informative reviews
That’s going to be up to you. But I would get these at least a little bit of space. At least a foot off the back of the speaker is where I would start.
My kinda guy. "If money were no object, I wouldn't buy just one set of speakers, I'd buy 3-4". You can never have "too much" stereo equipment or speakers. lol I pick up stuff all time, usually not working properly and I can fix them. Because sadly money is an object for me. But my dream pair of speakers are the Klipsch LaScala.
fwiw; JBL's 4367 isn't a three-way, its a two-way. The HF compression driver is a dual-opposed, annular polymer diaphragms. Two identical diaphragms firing towards one another and into a phasing plug collector combiner, turns the energy 90° and launches out the front. Big picture, it's no different than attic mounted IB, quad 18"s in dual opposed, firing toward one another and launching the energy out from there. JBL D2 cutaway ... will illustrate the clever driver.
Really interesting list! I may already know the answer, but where do the Genelec Ones stack up against these 5 for you? I'm guessing that they have a lot of the linearity that you look for, but more narrow dispersion than you enjoy? Or are there other things that aren't to your taste with them? Perhaps for another time, I'd love to hear if your list changes if you assume a sub is being used.
How do you feel about controlled directivity horns (including the subcategory of tractrix) or oblate spheroid horns, or large round waveguides (like 12-15"+), where the horns can play down to 400-800hz?
I love it! We share the same dream! I also would love to have three or four rooms in my house with multiple multichannel systems! Here are the 9.4.6 systems! - Using Genelec 8361A for three front channels and 8351 B for all surround speakers Next is a KEF system Using three Blades Meta for front channels and KEF Reference One for surround Next is a Revel system using - three Revel PerformaBe F328Be for front channels and Revel PerformaBe F228Be for surround Next time I win the lottery
What would your judgement be on the Revel M106 versus these Wharfedales? I really like the looks of the Wharefale. The M106 sounds great, but it doesn't quite match the style of my interior.
How are you getting these measurements for all the speakers? They all look incredibly linear in response, which is rarely my experience with ANY speaker in-room (including the KEFs and Lintons, which I have heard in my room)
Awesome! I love this type of video. I voted with my wallet and bought the Revel 228be and JBL 4367. I highpass subs at 60hz on both using a JL crossover. I really liked the Revel 228be and still do… but… with a direct A/B in my own room on a Mcintosh MC462 amp in direct A/B the 4367 smokes the Revel. More detailed in the bass and much more detailed in the highs. Mids are about the same. Then you add in dynamics, and the 4367 sounds much more real. It snaps harder on drums etc. hard to describe. But dynamics is where it is at and far more important than I realized before. As for soundstage. You know they are not that different. Yes the revel is wider I guess but sounds small due to lack of dynamics. Kind of odd. I would have never said the 228be is closed in or small sounding but next to the 4367 it is out classed. I sold the Revels and plan to by a few more JBLs for a 5.1.4 setup. I will do 4367s all around if I can swing it. If not maybe the 4349. Currently I have 590s in the rear which are ok but kind of harsh sounding in the treble for music.
I wish I'd discovered your channel and ASR before I discovered a certain "Inexpensive Sound Person" out there who got me to buy my first set of ELAC speakers, the Uni-Fi 2.0's. It was ASR (Audio Science Review) that led me to my second set of ELACs (Debut Reference 6.2, right in my sweet spot of budget / performance), and your comments there that led me to your channel. Thank you (and Amir) for explaining things in such a way that I can have a high confidence I'm going to like a set of speakers buying "blind" like we do in this on line shopping age.
Your review of the Sointuva pair made me want to return the Mofi Sourcepoint 8 that i purchased recently and replace them with Sointuva. I have yet to hear the Mofis which are to be delivered next week. I would assume Mofi Sourcepoint 8 would have similar sound signature with the 10 except bass response and spl. If you don’t mind sharing your thoughts…In your recollection which has a wider soundstage Sointuva or Sourcepoint 10?
@@ErinsAudioCorneryou should do it lol. Cry once and be done. I got a new in the box pair off of audio mart for $8250. Just have to keep an eye out. They are ugly though and I had to make my own stands which is lame.
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Have a listen to the Gradient Fi loudspeakers.They have cardiord radiation from midrange up. I have the 1.3 and the early Revolution models for almost 30 years and they still sound great.
Any updates on this list Erin?
Do a review on Heco Celan Revolution 3
1:28 | Dutch & Dutch 8c | $14,000
4:28 | Revel F226Be | $7,500
5:23 | JBL 4367 | $16,000
6:21 | KEF Reference 1 Meta | $9,000
7:36 | Wharfedale Linton 85th Anniversary | $1,500
Thanks for saving time :)
Ductch 8c - 1:28
Revel F226B - 4:27
JBL 4367 - 5:23
Kef Reference 1 Meta - 6:21
Whatfedale Linton - 7:36
Thank you!!
Thank you!
Thanks! Erin really enjoy your work. This is an amazing list.
Hey! Thanks for the donation!
Do more of these! Love these kind of videos.. Honestly I’d love to see you break them up, “best floorstanding speakers”, “best bookshelf speaker”, “best desktop speaker” (that last one would prolly be a grand slam, more people are looking for a quality PC setup than you think).. Maybe even take into other pieces of kit you enjoy, DAC’s/amps etc!
“Best desktop PC Speakers under $500”= 💰! (Or insert whatever price point, u can even do more than one)
I know there’s a lot of videos out there like this, but if you can get your video out in that algorithm it’ll be timeless.. College kids need them for their dorm, younger kids on their gaming setup, moms and pops who do work from home or spend time in front of their PC, everyone wants a good value speaker outside of the shit Logitech offerings for their desktop cuz not everyone is interested in a home theatre or have a full listening room, but everyone does listen to music at their desktop! Looking for this exact video is what brought me into the audiophile world which is turn eventually brought me to your channel
Noted!
@@ErinsAudioCornerthis is a good idea for growing your channel too. And not that many (if any) out there that are not paid by the companies. Cool thing with bringing normie viewers is you get to also educate them with the rest of the content you do.
Also price range rankings is a good idea i think. Top 5 under $2000 and so on.
I know many people doing exactly that (pc set ups). So yes. More than people thinks.
Best floorstander and best bookshelf: Linton wins both 😂😂
This channel is insane for anything speakers related. Im glad I found it.
8C is also my end game speaker! Total technology tour de force! I love these masterpieces of design and innovation
To my opinion; the best channel for Speakers Reviews. Well done Erin.
I bought the Lintons after your review and I never listened to as much music as I do now. You can just listen all day long without any fatigue, love them.
That’s good to hear. 😎
I’m a big fan of the Dutch & Dutch speakers. Nice that they’re from the Netherlands. It’s such a complete package, really full range, cardioid, dsp, digital inputs, room correction, roon endpoint and great looks. I have the 8m, the non cardioid version without the 2 woofers in the back, which is also still very very good. ❤
These really are the speakers I wish I could get for my living room. They're just way above what I'm willing to spend. I wish someone could make a speaker like this around $2,500/pair.
I can confirm they are fantastic speakers. Very curious about the new uBACCH plugin that would reportedly take them to a new level
Happy new year, I got the rotel 1582 to try with the r700 and lintons. I’m disappointed as I can’t resolve the fatigue with the Polks. I tried moving everywhere even adding 8 acoustic panels! The lintons sound great and no fatigue, but seem not as loud or exciting as the Polks. Am I settling on keeping the lintons? Seems like everyone raves about the Polks but I can’t beat the fatigue. Maybe it’s the rotel? Just want to feel ok about returning the Polks. Thank you
I had a similar experience with one of the other Polks. It might’ve been the R 200. I can’t recall the exact model now. But it was one of the smaller bookshelf speakers. So you are probably justified in hearing what you are hearing.
Love seeing you back in action.
So happy you're back
Fantastic video! Very good job at providing the objective and the subjective without getting too much in the weeds. I liked how you defined your criteria, and then pointed out strengths / weaknesses of these speakers according to your criteria. Very well done!
I've had the Lintones for about 6 months, and for the first 4 months I set them up the way everyone suggests (tweeters inward), the sound was good, but it was "located" between the speakers (it didn't spread outwards).
Then I changed the position of the speakers, so I placed the tweeters towards the outside and immediately I got a much wider sound image that went outside the position of the speakers (expanding to the left and right, as if I had a wider room).
I read in a couple of places that for narrower and longer rooms it is better to have the tweeters facing the outside, and for wider and narrower rooms it is better to have the tweeters facing the inside.
I'm interested in your opinion on this, i.e. is it OK to keep the speakers positioned like that or maybe it's better the way everyone suggests (tweeters inward) ?
The dimensions of the room are:
- width 3.6m
- length 7.3 m
- height 2.5m
THANK YOU
A great video, once again. I think this video will blow up, comparatively, because “top xyz” videos are so easily searched. I hope this one brings you a bunch more subscribers, you deserve it.
Thank you.
Dutch & Dutch 8C's are my dream speakers. I was not surprised they were on your list. There are way too few cardioid speakers out there for some reason. Most people have to keep their speakers near walls, it makes no sense that most speakers are not designed to be used that way.
New band for me until he reviewed them. I would like to hear some good active speakers. I have only heard ones under $2000. They were all good for the money. But an all out assault would be cool.
@@JamesWilliams-gf8gm An example of "all out assault" on active speakers would be Grimm.
Mine too I don’t see why it hasn’t been copied yet…lol
I've used/mixed on countless actives. I own and currently use JBL, QSC, and Seaton actives.
All absolute stand outs in their respective price level.
All out assault actives would include ATC, Augsburger, Dynaudio, Genelec, etc.
btw, there's no greater value in all of hifi than affordable active monitors. There's many quality offerings, but JBL's 8" two-way is phenomenal for what it does.
$250, for the trickle down tech of JBL's several decades of research ... active, dsp contoured, with the killer waveguide.
The active monitor segment is hugely competitive ... thus each mfr to continually elevating their game.
Yeah I'd be very interested to see more cardioid speakers too. KEF have the LS60 and their Blade Meta series for example.
There’s no information more pertinent to owning multiple pairs of stereo speakers than what you said Erin in the first 40 seconds of this video! 👏
So glad the Linton made the list! Love mine. Great video. Here's to hoping I can afford some of the others on the list in the future.
Erin, Wharfedale Linton or Kef R3 Meta?
What's the relationship between Linton Heritage and Linton 85th? Is there some deal breaker differences? The 85th is (I assume) a limited time and/or quantity deal.
They are the same
Do you ever tried a Spendor speaker?
Not sure if this is in line with your content, but I'd be interested in a video discussing room acoustics for the consumer and what effects reflections cause such as the room modes and standing waves, comb filtering and other phase problems one might expect to find etc.
Hi Erin, had you already tested the R3 meta when you did this video? Do you still think that Lintons are a better value than R3 Metas? I encourage you to ask Kef a pair of R7 to test, should be even better
In terms of soundstage, would you rate the 8c better than the KEF Reference 1 Meta, or the other way around?
Damn you must Really like the Lintons! Great video as usual, keep it up!
Love this kind of list, so many liked the Linton's I got a pair. I'm not as happy as the reviewers, but I am happy with it. I think I need to mess with in my room to get best results. Thanks for sharing your lists and measurements!
Get an Umik and do some EQ. It will make a big difference. Or minidsp with dirac, that would be night and day.
If you can also add a sub there's nothing else left. These speakers are really good
@@bokramubokramu8834 Thanks, yeah I have been thinking along similar lines, I am going to order the mic to start first.
Have you tested if your ~60° radiation width preference holds up to narrow rooms/longer listening distances?
I’ve found it holds up well in 3 different rooms which are all different from dimensions to furnishing.
What's your top 5 for near-field application (desktop computer, listening distance around 70 cm)?
You gotta try the Polk L800’s in an optimal setup! They are mind blowing
why no genelec 8331 in the list? you loved it 😮
The Wharfedale selection surprised me. Thanks!
I'm surprised that you didn't mention the Perlistens. What kept the Perlistens off the list?
That was the one I was expecting to see but didn't as well. My guess: The KEF Reference 1s filled the "high end bookshelf that measures really well" for him and he wanted to get a more affordable option in there (the Lintons) instead.
@davids2214 But he said "at any price", but you're probably right unless he can reply to explain.
Hi Erin: Can you point me towards a 7+4+1 design that I could either buy or kit build? I see that PKaudio and Troels Gravesen both have offerings in the kit format but I’m unaware of commercial offerings.
You might ask why I would limit myself to this design? I would consider other designs but it seems that these 3-way designs address some shortcomings with my current 2-way revelator speaker that I currently own - which I like btw.
Anyway, I would hate to make the DIY trip if it doesn’t buy me much more. Auditioning a commercial product would help with the decision.
Welcome back Mr Erin…
Missing your reviews since quite sometime and happy that you are back.
Pretty nice review. Top 4 are out of reach. I own Lintons and enjoining them well 😎😎😎
Another great video Erin! Thanks for the time you spent to put this together.
ERIN. I know I’ve been tough on you a time or two.
But THIS IS EXACTLY how to “review” speakers.
But. Me being ,as you know (and I think will remember given the subtle overture that set the tone I’m sure you felt lol ) me being “ONE OF THOSE ADS GUYS” .
I can’t argue with your list here for different reasons in where they shine & preferences.
As you explained perfectly.
And that’s exactly how these other “EXPERTS” should do this & what they should pay attention to.
👍.
Can you maybe explain why you didn't put certain speakers on this list, like the Kii Three?
That would take too long to list every speaker.
@@ErinsAudioCornerHow about just the reasoning behind the Kii Three being beat by the Dutch and Dutch?
I would love to hear your thoughts on Ascend Acoustics speakers given just how measurement-oriented that company is! I'm sure some of their speakers would suit your tastes rather well
I just happened to be browsing the channel and noticed he uploaded an Ascend Acoustics review yesterday.
@@xentakis Yeees was so hyped when I saw that
Glad to hear F226Be is in your top 5, I’ve had my pair for about two years and they’ve been great. I pair them with 2x Rythmik F18 subs.
Nice pairing ... likely quite impressive.
My dream setup is in your house lol
What about KEF LS50 Meta and KLH Model 5?
I have to mention a speaker that is really well designed. I had a choice between the jbl 4309 or the fyne audio f500sp. I chose the f500sp because i couldn't losten to the jbl prior to buying it. It might not have perfect response, but it is very sensive to the quality of input. It's taken about 150hours now and its has started to run in. I chose it because i wanted a coax with a compression driver. Also no ports on the back or front. I work in the industry, i can easily say this speaker is in a class of its own. It is fast, super clean and the stage is brilliant. It will blow the kef r3 out of the water in terms of point sorce, clarity and speed. When you get a chance, have a listen. Setting up is extremely important with them. When done right they dissapear compleatly. Cheers buddy. Keep up the good work and greetings from Croatia 👍🏻
Been loving your stuff man. I appreciate the fact you focus on measurements, not just opinion
Erin great job as always. I would love to see you recommend speakers for home theater where dedicated subs are assumed. Personally I don’t care if a speaker extends much below 60-80hz because I have two massive subs to handle low bass. In my room these speakers are 100% home theater, I just don’t use the space for critical music listening (2 channel).
Wrapping up my Philharmonic BMR, was hoping it made the list.
Erin, what frequency does you polar radiation pattern chart starts from? I am wondering why it doesn't show omnipolar radiation at low frequencies. In this video I've seen it only for the Revel speaker.
Would the Wharfdales work as LCR in a home theater say 19x25x8? Would they provide enough volume for loud movies?
Heard the KEF Reference 1 Metas with a sub array, 3 subs per side, of REL S/510s…wow! Amazing full, rich sound!
Sounded noticeably better with the subs on vs the KEFs alone, which were still outstanding
Can you speak to how close the R3 Metas get to the Reference 1 Meta with the 3D soundstage and imaging?
Everyone in the @kef enthusiast group that has heard both will tell you that none of the R series get anywhere close to the reference series. The R11s don’t even get close to the Reference 1.
@mathewward84 ya thats shat I'm afraid of... I had the opportunity to get the r3 meta.... but I'm just waiting to get reference 1
Erin,
Do the Linton's have the definition of KLH Model 5's? I am looking for a speaker in the $2500 and under range and prefer one that is capable of providing a great listening experience, without lacking in detail.
Thanks!
Have you considered JBL L82? I think they're around that price target and are very detailed. The MoFi Sourcepoint are very detailed, but you'd be looking at the 8's for that price and I've only heard the $3700 Sourcepoint 10s.
@@erics.4113 No I haven't. Thanks for the quick response. I'll check them out!
Thanks Erin. I was hoping you'd make a video like this and you delivered.
Great review, and I appreciate your perspective + data details!!!
Have you ever tried some of the High End PMC studio or Hifi speakers or ATC Speakers?
Outstanding synopsis video.
I'd suggest dynamic capability, startle factor ... whatever, is a characteristic we weight more significantly than the other linearity tenets we look for.
I believe that dynamic, low compression, less lossy transfer is the vital x factor in inability to discern live from pre-recorded playback ... around the corner, or out of sight.
Savvy list!
Thanks for this. Best speaker reviews on the internet!
Thanks for the kind words! It’s a struggle sometimes but messages like this help to keep me fueled.
❤ I'd love to see you reviewing the Cabasse Rialto, coaxial & Cardiod design
Looking very promising, thanks for your work! 🎉
The look of a speaker is very important to me and I have found that I like a little subtlety in appearance. So, even if price were no object here, I might go with the Lintons. Definitely not the JBL's! I think Sonus Faber does a great job with design. Elegant but subtle. I was very tempted to get the Sonetto IIIs. Unfortunately, I could only hear them at the store which is not set up for the best listening experience. Without a home trial, I passed. Would be great to see you review a pair. Probably don't measure all that well though from what I've read. 🤷🏻♂️
For me, my Sonus Faber sonettos sound thick warm in the mid to low range, soft on top yet still Sparkles and even though I use Dirac.. where measurements are concerned, I'd rather use those things on the side of my head!
@@Totalplonker Hmm. That does not sound like the flavor of sound I prefer. I like clarity and definition in the midrange. Thanks for your report!
Why did you didn’t include the Danley synergy design?
Am wondering why the March Audio Sointuva WG didn’t make your cut? You seemed to speak extremely positively about it. And you mentioned it measured at the very top of the mountain. Thanks!
Will the Mofi SourcePoint 888 make it to this list?
Nice review! I have the Lintons and for me, the Audiolab DC block bring up the upper mid/hi and details perfectly. That would be Dac and amp dependent however. ( mojo 2 - SMSL VMV A1 in my case)
When you say "soundstage"? Are you referring to the how wide the image SOUNDS in my brain, or are you talking about the physical "projection" area of the sound waves coming from the speaker? Thanks. Love your channel.
Both. It varies from song to song, of course. But the maximum radiating width drives this as well.
Hi, he's talking about how it sounds in your mind , where the instruments,vocals are placed .
Hey Erin, I thought it was a fun video! I just saw the thread about it on ASR and I completely disagree with Amir on this. I don't think it's clickbait. This is like one of those topics that come up when people talk about any hobby they like. And even if they were reviewed earlier, it's not like I'm going to search for a review of the Dutch & Dutch 8c if I don't even know it exists. That's why 'top videos' are useful if they are done by someone who knows what they are talking about. If someone watches a 'top 5 under 500$/1000$/desktop/active monitor/etc.' video they get a quick comparison and maybe some new options so they can look up more detailed reviews if they are interested. Threads like that is the reason I don't like ASR, other than to look up some quick measurements if they have them.
I wish I could donate more per review.. also w wish more people donated $1 or $2 per video.. if nothing else could cover your shipping costs of speakers.
Thank you for honest and informative reviews
Thank you very much.
The 8c now has a Bacch module, so I hope you can do an updated review.
Your scientific approach is the reason I'm subscribed to your channel. 🙋
Great work! I knew from the way you phrased it, there were going to be some heavy pricetags here! Glad to see a sub-2k/pair made it!
Hello, how does the Svs ultra Pinnacle compare with any of these that are more expansive ?
thanks
How far out from the wall should the Lintons be placed for optimal sound?
That’s going to be up to you. But I would get these at least a little bit of space. At least a foot off the back of the speaker is where I would start.
Can you do the same thing, for active designs ?
How about Legacy Audio Focus SE?
Not familiar with that one.
A little off topic but any chance of seeing an old Classic Speaker review. How would they hold up today?
I’ve done a few. Problem is materials breakdown/failure over decades may cause the results to be non-realistic.
Which one of this is the highest sensitivity?
My kinda guy. "If money were no object, I wouldn't buy just one set of speakers, I'd buy 3-4". You can never have "too much" stereo equipment or speakers. lol I pick up stuff all time, usually not working properly and I can fix them. Because sadly money is an object for me. But my dream pair of speakers are the Klipsch LaScala.
fwiw; JBL's 4367 isn't a three-way, its a two-way.
The HF compression driver is a dual-opposed, annular polymer diaphragms.
Two identical diaphragms firing towards one another and into a phasing plug collector combiner, turns the energy 90° and launches out the front.
Big picture, it's no different than attic mounted IB, quad 18"s in dual opposed, firing toward one another and launching the energy out from there.
JBL D2 cutaway ... will illustrate the clever driver.
Great list. Review something from ATC some time!
What do you think about Salı Spektor 2 for my first audio system
Really interesting list! I may already know the answer, but where do the Genelec Ones stack up against these 5 for you? I'm guessing that they have a lot of the linearity that you look for, but more narrow dispersion than you enjoy? Or are there other things that aren't to your taste with them?
Perhaps for another time, I'd love to hear if your list changes if you assume a sub is being used.
How do you feel about controlled directivity horns (including the subcategory of tractrix) or oblate spheroid horns, or large round waveguides (like 12-15"+), where the horns can play down to 400-800hz?
JBL 4367 over the top ❤ my favorite above the JBL is the Piega 811 and the Fyne Audio F 1.5 for a small speaker.🎉
I love it! We share the same dream! I also would love to have three or four rooms in my house with multiple multichannel systems!
Here are the 9.4.6 systems!
- Using Genelec 8361A for three front channels and 8351 B for all surround speakers
Next is a KEF system
Using three Blades Meta for front channels and KEF Reference One for surround
Next is a Revel system using
- three Revel PerformaBe F328Be for front channels and Revel PerformaBe F228Be for surround
Next time I win the lottery
Any recommendations in the $300 range?
What about the Polk R700’s?
Erin what testing system are you using ..?
Please try and get an audition with any of the Vivid Audio speakers. I think you might really enjoy them.
What would your judgement be on the Revel M106 versus these Wharfedales? I really like the looks of the Wharefale. The M106 sounds great, but it doesn't quite match the style of my interior.
A tier list of everything you've reviewed so far would be nice
Why the kii three didn't make it to this list for you ? ?????
How are you getting these measurements for all the speakers? They all look incredibly linear in response, which is rarely my experience with ANY speaker in-room (including the KEFs and Lintons, which I have heard in my room)
These are anechoic measurements.
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Awesome! I love this type of video. I voted with my wallet and bought the Revel 228be and JBL 4367. I highpass subs at 60hz on both using a JL crossover.
I really liked the Revel 228be and still do… but… with a direct A/B in my own room on a Mcintosh MC462 amp in direct A/B the 4367 smokes the Revel. More detailed in the bass and much more detailed in the highs. Mids are about the same. Then you add in dynamics, and the 4367 sounds much more real. It snaps harder on drums etc. hard to describe. But dynamics is where it is at and far more important than I realized before.
As for soundstage. You know they are not that different. Yes the revel is wider I guess but sounds small due to lack of dynamics. Kind of odd. I would have never said the 228be is closed in or small sounding but next to the 4367 it is out classed.
I sold the Revels and plan to by a few more JBLs for a 5.1.4 setup. I will do 4367s all around if I can swing it. If not maybe the 4349. Currently I have 590s in the rear which are ok but kind of harsh sounding in the treble for music.
I’d like to see a review of the Ohm Walsh. Considering a pair for a large room that I can’t really treat.
I wish I'd discovered your channel and ASR before I discovered a certain "Inexpensive Sound Person" out there who got me to buy my first set of ELAC speakers, the Uni-Fi 2.0's. It was ASR (Audio Science Review) that led me to my second set of ELACs (Debut Reference 6.2, right in my sweet spot of budget / performance), and your comments there that led me to your channel. Thank you (and Amir) for explaining things in such a way that I can have a high confidence I'm going to like a set of speakers buying "blind" like we do in this on line shopping age.
Wondering how the Revel F206 would do
Just wondering why March Audio Sointuva is not on your list?
I remember you said they were the best passive speakers that you measured.
They were, but this is a personal list, and I generally prefer speakers with a wider radiation pattern.
Your review of the Sointuva pair made me want to return the Mofi Sourcepoint 8 that i purchased recently and replace them with Sointuva. I have yet to hear the Mofis which are to be delivered next week. I would assume Mofi Sourcepoint 8 would have similar sound signature with the 10 except bass response and spl. If you don’t mind sharing your thoughts…In your recollection which has a wider soundstage Sointuva or Sourcepoint 10?
What happened to the "killer" Ki Three's?
Interesting picks, thanks Erin!
Sad not to see one of your recommendation. The BMR philaharmonics. Very, very, very happy with the BMR.
So, you prefer JBL 4367 than JBL M2? Big difference?
Those JBL 4367's are magic!
They really are. I’ve been very tempted to buy them a few times but I just don’t have the space or the spare cash the make the jump right now.
@@ErinsAudioCorneryou should do it lol. Cry once and be done. I got a new in the box pair off of audio mart for $8250. Just have to keep an eye out.
They are ugly though and I had to make my own stands which is lame.
I want a pair. Maybe someday I’ll have enough to buy them. 😊
What about March Audio Sointuva?