Did 100 Thieves Exploit This Small Creator?
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2022
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Man's career would be in the stratosphere if he just went on the podcast
What podcast
@@sbsftw4232 watch the video
@@jeramiethomas4419 NO
vid should’ve ended after this revelation, they ruined their own careers before it began it’s sad really
what podcast
I think the 85% on sponsorships is insane but overall I think nadeshot looked way better and had a better point than froste saying “what do I gain from lying”
I honestly couldn’t care if nadeshot looked better. if a manager or agent takes more than 20% on ad deals and sponsorships you can inmediately write them off. The only reason that isn’t illegal is because california law hasn’t kept up with the new influencer market. no matter how you look at it nadeshot stole 60% of their earnings on those two deals and another 15% from the other one. Maybe froste isnt the most well spoken or his critical thinking hasnt caught up to the rage he’s felt after being robbed but that 85% quote from nadeshot is all you need to hear to know that he’s wrong. Like I’m sorry and I know i’m malding but the fact that people are saying “oh actually they got to keep 65% sometimes” as evidence that froste is in the wrong is making me joker brained. Maybe its just because I work as a creator in a different industry but people like nadeshot literally ruin lives and we as a community should be able to look past things like who came out “looking better”.
@UCVWZhHE2ae40oejUrYIK3xA bro they flew em out to LA and gave them all a salary and money to make whatever content they wanted. These guys were pulling a couple of hundred viewers, I hate big corpo a lot but jesus christ nade isn't the bad guy here
@@MrJoosebawkz 15% of a big pie is better than whatever you get with 300 viewers. At that size I think it make sense, although if that remains as they grow... I cant really defend that. It's like complaining in shark tank that they want high percentage.
@@jamescharles5907 Trust me this is literally never fair or reasonable. it doesnt cost anywhere near as much to set these deals up and this is the ONLY entertainment industry where something like this could happen. Only because its a new industry and creators (and the community) actually fall for stuff like this. In every other entertainment industry the rate for something like this would be between 10 to 20 % at the absolute maximum. 20% is what a management company would take when a creator is new in the industry and doesn’t have leverage to negotiate a contract. Anything above that is never anything except predatory
but froste really doesn't gain anything he's retired from content creation he doesnt want or need clout he just wants to settle things
Hiring a personal chef would have been way cheaper than all those Uber Eats orders.
Buying groceries from hyvee would have been cheaper. I feed a family of 4 for 15-20 bucks a day....
Uber eats is nutty expensive. If you're having trouble affording food... try not paying 30$ for a meal, maybe? Get a jar of peanut butter, loaf of bread, and a thingy of jam for 10$ total. That feeds you for a couple days.
@@godlyvex5543 On point my man. Literally I order burgers from down the street A&W and cost still 26$ and 13-14$ of it is delivery, 13$ of a meal isn't even enough to fill you, so I know each order is 30-40$ and they ordered up to 3 times a day?! 100+$ daily for food is just stupid. 3k on food a month, they are a joke.
I'd just start a fasting stream and work out and get mad since i'm always hungry. And chat would annoy me with food ideas.
They didn't need to. They were rich.
@@OhNoMrKoolaidMan Yeah thats a lie unless you just eating ramen rofl
That wouldn't happen if they hired Brandon Ewing as their marketing manager
I'm glad someone said it
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It feels weird to see his name without any nicknames between Brandon and Ewing 😂
Devin Nash did an excellent break down of both sides points. But apparently they were paid 65K/each per year AND had a $2500 streaming budget per month for making content.
He also broke down how much they streamed and it's beyond lazy. At best one of them streamed 20/ week and the rest were in single digit streaming hours PER WEEK on average over the two years.
yeah froste was streaming ~40 hrs per month when they first signed their contract. he blamed it on internet issues, but as atrioc said, if froste really wanted it he would have fixed his internet
That's insane, you bet your ass I'd be streaming for hours every day with an opportunity like that.
This is the real issue. People blaming Nade for giving young kids an opportunity and saying and he should have helped them more. They were making good money and all they had to do was make content. That's the dream. They just didn't care at all and were incredibly lazy. 100T taking 85% sponsor cut is a little high, but that seems to be the norm now for Orgs.
@@MrThewhateverchannel They weren't ready to be so independent. The blame definitely falls on them and not 100t, but these guys needed a manager if they're going to succeed. It seems like they had no idea how a workflow is supposed to work and had no system in place to produce content.
@@MrThewhateverchannel as OP said, Devon Nash explained the 85% well, even though he didnt agree. Nadeshot took a gamble on them, paying them 65k/year EACH. He HAS to make that money back somewhere, as these guys were 100 viewer andy's on twitch, and 0 youtube presence. He has investors in 100T, so im assuming the 85% is the only way he could get it approved with the board to get a majority vote that agreed to spend 200k+/year on these guys.
After hearing both “sides” I think Nadeshot made the mistake of giving a group of young people too much autonomy without supervision, which is a mistake a lot of these content houses make. It’s not that you can’t be responsible at their age, but I think they probably needed a supervisor or something because they clearly didn’t have the intrinsic tools to succeed.
I totally get that. But everyone makes their own decisions and should be held accountable. You can't spoon-feed everything to people..
lol makes me wonder how OTV succeeded despite all the drama.
@@jt3. Personal accountability is definitely something Froste could reflect on, and I definitely think he got out of that deal what he put into it. Hopefully they both learned something from the interaction
@@damiester1 because they are all grown
I think the idea Nadeshot had was “they made it this far on their own. They should be competent enough to continue their growth and also ask for help.”
I watched a lot of the content that was coming out of 100t at the time and I can say 100% without a doubt that none of the mob made a real attempt at progressing their careers. I was excited when I found the mob because I like the idea of watching a couple of normal dudes become successes and I thought they had good on screen personalities. They very rarely streamed. A year in the only person that had more than like 4 videos on his RUclips was classify. Their stream quality was very poor when they did stream. They had a podcast that I think they very rarely did and didn't prepare for at all.
I can get behind the idea that nade probably took advantage of them not understanding the business. But at the same time they were probably a liability. 100t was giving them 2500 a month to essentially shitpost to 100k followers on Twitter.
The cut from the sponsorship deals was probably the only way that 100T would not lose too much money on the mob.
@@bugdane27 If they didn't have that shareholders/chair/whatever those fancy people are called would've been furious as fuck.
Put in a content house with
-$65k salary
-3 of your bestfriends
-Tier 1 org representation
Everyone’s dream job playing video games & you don’t capitalize on it THEN on top of it all, bites the hand that fed you. Lmao
How could 100 Thieves exploit TheZanySidekick
The 85% thing is crazy, but part of me can't help think to myself "what fucking sponsors are 200 viewer streamers getting without 100 theives
This is all I'm going to say about it. I was a homeless veteran during COVID. I lost my business, I was morbidly obese and I slept in a broken down car throughout the entire winter of 2020.
$2500 a month salary would have been a blessing to me at that time. If someone gave me the opportunity 100T gave them I would've been busting my ass every single day grinding it out until I had something that was self sufficient. Instead, I donated plasma twice a week to eat canned tuna and pay my gym membership. I got myself back in shape, survived, and re-enlisted to get out of that situation.
My point is that these guys didn't want it bad enough. They didn't get exploited, they got a reality check about how hard it is just to survive. They didn't have it in them, and now instead of taking accountability for their behavior and performance they want to cry wolf.
I can't function unless the military tells me where to be at all times, but I totaly would have killed it as a pro gamer if I totally would have made a name for myself, and they are just lazy" cool story man
@@patrickmcpartland1398 I never even mentioned wanting to be a professional gamer and I served in two separate branches both with honorable discharges. Not sure how losing your "Gym" business as a personal trainer and nutritionist when the US Shut down all gym facilities translates into me not being able to function since ya know, everyone was locked in their house and I lost mine.
But okay man, keep on spreading that negativity around.
@@InvictusProductionsX Just ignore sad despicable people like that. Tons of trash online. Keep up the hardworking spirit :)
@@patrickmcpartland1398 holy fucking shit, they were just being lazy…??? Literally every source outside the “mob” confirms this. Have some fucking respect, though it sounds like you’re a 14 year old mob Stan
You’d be the perfect employee for Amazon to exploit
Stories like Myth, like Nadeshot, like Ludwig himself... these guys are the real grinders, the real grustlers... Froste just didn't have it in him...
Love that you said myth first
Ehhh nade and myth is debatable, Lud sure.
@@LockheedMartinEnjoyer nade grinded harder than both of those dudes. He was working at mcdonalds and competing on the side when he had no money
@@LockheedMartinEnjoyer what ?
@@LockheedMartinEnjoyer someone doesn't know their Optic/Nadeshot lore
Imagine being in a content house and not making content in the house.
When the content house is not contenting
There are lots of people who are big twitter personalities who realize that being big on twitter doesn’t make them any money so they pivot to something like twitch or RUclips and just don’t have it in them to be content creators. Something you see happen pretty often to accounts like this if you’re on twitter enough. Lucky for them though a owner of a huge eports org took that chance on them which just made it that much more of a story when it failed
I find it weird that people are saying "they are taking 85% of the sponsorship money" No they weren't. They are paying them a salary so they are fronting them a ton of "sponsorship money" They got the first 60k a year of sponsorship money before 100 thieves made anything. 100 thieves isn't making money off them any other way. Yeah definitely depends on how long the contract is. But the point of signing with an org as a tiny streamer is you gain a lot of stability to work on your craft, but you give up some of the upside if you blow up really quickly. But I am kind of at a loss as to how any esports org is supposed to make their money back on really small content creators if they aren't taking a large part of the sponsorship deals.
I agree with you. I really hate this narrative that they were being exploited when in reality they were employing them. Which is completely different than just being their agent.
Had they grew they could have easily re-negotiated but without 100t they were worthless to any sponsor. Also even though 100t could take 85% they took 30-35% which sounds completely fair when they are employing them full time with SALARY AND budget to spent on content.
No agent is paying their talent 60k + bringing them 200k brand deals to people with no real following.
i think 85% is super exploitative but even still it feels like froste (cant speak for the rest of the mob) did not take full advantage of the opportunity he was being given and was expecting to just be given the maximum amount of money for the least amount of work
I mean he would have zero percent if he wasn't in the org. He also got 65k for a yearly salary and got the budget making the content. That's like being a musician and your manager pays for your equipment,concerts and ect. Idk if it's fair but it isn't insanely unfair when you consider everything. Also didn't froste not even obligated is contract? Wasn't he surpose to stream alot more then he did but always made excuses why he didn't? Idk I'm more on Nate's side.
He said he streamed twice in a year lol
@@cngotham4111 “I mean he could have zero percent”. Bro don’t stick up to the org here. Everyone knows the cut should be way lower for the org. That being said, the streamer is obviously in the wrong
@@momobobo5430 depends on variables generally yea org should but when the org is paying you 65k salary yearly then gives you money to make content as well. Id say most managers in other mediums don't do this when working with people so it seems like 100 thieves manages thier people alot more different then other mediums.
@@cngotham4111 yeah, I think Frostie and all them were definitely dumb with money management and look really bad, but at the end of the day 100t should not be taking 85%. That’s an insane amount of money. 50/50 is still too much in my opinion, but it’s definitely and improvement
Pretty much anyone who has been around the COD scene knows the grinding nadeshot has had to do to get where he is now. Frost just comes off as moaning, was apparently getting paid 60k a year but didn't have a way to stream or produce content and then expecting the organisation to help out. As Nadeshot pointed out as well as pretty much every early COD pro has weighed in on, before you used to get paid almost nothing and had to make it work for yourself or someone else who works harder will get it.
Plus they got paid monthly to make content that was never made. So yea they don't got room to talk
Even worst nade gave them a second chance and extended their contract for another year.
From what I saw only one of the guys from the Mob actually grinded to try and make it work
mako yeah
With the Fireball deal, Froste claims that he brought the deal to 100 Thieves. However he even says that, Fireball told him they were interested in some deliverables so he directed the brand to 100 Thieves so they could provide analytics, sort out logistics, compensation, and essentially broker the deal for The Mob. At that point I don’t care that you DM’d someone like “let’s work” that’s not enough for me to say that the Mob came up with the deal. Especially when afterwards a marketing agent from that sponsorship came out to say The Mob was lashing in a few deliverables, besides that they were great partners
seeing that pic with all of the fast food made me feel so much better about my twice a week fast-food guilty pleasure
imagine being content creators who don't make content and having the gall to complain about not being paid absokute racks and then choosing an expensive house know you can't afford with how recklessly you guys spend money lmao
what's sad is there are way more deserving small creators who could have really taken this opportunity and run with it.
Yeah I would have liked to. I only streamed for a little bit, but it was cool. I just gotta focus on other stuff instead. Guess I'm not streamer material if I'm not still doing it though lol.
I remember when Nadeshot announced 100T. Love him or hate him what he’s built is impressive
Me living under a rock and not knowing who 100 Thieves were and thought a hundred people collectively joined and rob a small content creator lmaooo
They basically did
Bruh that Froste guy's room looking like that meant he was not eating right lmao, no wonder the mob wasn't succesful, not only is that food more expensive than just cooking something but they probably felt like shit all the time to the point it might have hinder their creative process
bro ubered mcdonald’s everyday 💀💀
What you expect when you give mentally kids a fat credit card? Lmao
i dont understand how they can fuck up such an amazing opportunity. they literaly had the starter point any small streamer would want and they took it for granted like crazy. The problem with small streamers is that they have to do a job on the side to to be able to stream under a roof, and these guys were given the opportunity to not care about that! give me a house and an allowense of 2.5k and i will stream like crazy.
froste's whole point is that they weren't given that because they didn't have enough money to pay for the house
@@lukespam8376 kind of a weird decision to choose a house they can't afford if i'm honest.
Except they had a salary for streaming as well and pulled single digit hours a week that’s why they were broke lmao
@@lukespam8376 couldve gotten a cheaper house and maybe stream more than 40 hours a month. Also spending 50 bucks a day on food is fking disgraceful if youre gonna cry about having to worry about where ur next meal is coming from
atrioc ringing in the flannel season
If you watched Nadeshots take on the situation. You can tell he's genuinely broken hearted by all this drama. Man teared up live on twitch talking about how he loved these guys and this one dude froste making all these allegations just didn't sit well with him.
It's clear as day the man-child wasn't mature enough and expected 100T to spoon feed him to success. When if fact they were given all the tools and the platform. They simply didn't put on the work.
The 85 15 split was in no way exploitative either.. First of all they signed and agreed to it. They know the split ratio. Secondly, NO ONE ELSE was offering any opportunity to these guys. 100T took all the risks believing these boys would do something great.
If no other orgs offered them any opportunity. Then that 15% split is literally the highest they can ever hope for. It's either take 15% or 0%.... Choice is that simple.
They were given salary and membership to the very top and they simply wasted the opportunity.
There's nothing predatory about that 85 split either. Because it's literally just a bonus on top of their salary. Not to mention those sponsorship money came because of 100T.. Not the mob. Froste has no grounds to stand on..
The mob had everything to gain and nothing to lose when no one else even believed in them. 100T is the victim here. Gave them sponsorship and salary man.... Such a waste... Smh
W. Concerning amount of people who aren’t comprehending how a business works, and can’t seem to make sense of balancing the books from all the numbers they’re hearing. Instead they latch on to partials and spew stun locking takes. Hurts my brain.
@@GigiRuffa they had streaming budget, fixed monthly wage, on top of 15% sponsorship money to work with. they were just lazy and weren't appreciative of the opportunity.
@@cleiru7859 Thank you for proving my point. Jesus.
@@cleiru7859 plus 65k yearly
YOU WOULDNT SAY THAT IF 85% OF YOUR EARNINGS GO TO HIM AND THE 15% OF THE MONEY YOU GET IS USED FOR RENT STFU LMAO
Is 85% of sponsorships a lot, yes. But they only took 35% of 2 out of the three sponsorships. And 100 Thieves were taking a risk with them. 4 people, 3 sponsorships, in 2 years. Tell me that risk paid off. Especially when Froste streamed 10 hours a week, 40 a month. xqc does 40 hours in 3 days. I'd be embarrased if I were Froste right now. He got every content creators dream offer, fucked it up, and wanted more.
Feels like they had an opportunity to blow up and simply just didn’t take advantage of what they were offered. These deals always look bad on paper, but this is what entry level at almost ANY job is like..
What this video doesn't also mention is that 100T bought him a 5000 streaming set up and gave him 2500 a month as a budget for content (which Froste says he could never get purchases approved from but Idk...) AND access to the 100 Thieves production crew and podcast sets. The Mob only ever put out 30 videos, podcasts included in 2 years and they had a team of editors and sets and 2.5k a month ONTOP of salary JUST to produce content - and they simply didn't.
The content budget was $2,500 for the first year but they asked for it to be raised and 100T upped it to $3,000 a month for the remaining time. That signals to me that they were defintely able to use it and at least hit that mark a few times.
With a name like 'one hundred thieves,' it really makes u think
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The only time I'd even heard or seen of the Mob was when they appeared as guests in 100T videos.
my god man, they sound like whining kids. they were given the perfect opportunity, a start that everyone and their mother would probably kill for and they did nothing with it. to even be associated with Nadeshot, one of the biggest names in esports history is insane. if that were me id be grinding everysingle day to give back what i started with and then some. some people just dont realise how lucky they are
Froste the Snowman melted away in LA
Well The Mob didn't come out against 100 Thieves. It was just Froste himself.
when I first heard "the Mob" I thought that a riot broke out lol
For entry-level job his pay of 60k is well above the minimum wage, since it's on par with la median yearly income. He could manage his finances better by learning to cook and choosing a cheaper house. Even in the area where he lives, i can find multiple houses that can fit 4 people with their own room for 5-8k. Which is a smarter choice than their 10k house
Oh nice i heard about the drama on twitter and was waiting until you could just sum it up all for me LOL
Kids out there ordering ubereats every day in the most expensive house they can find and saying, "We couldn't live off what we got". Smh. Yeah the contract probably wasn't in their favour but they're full of shit. The org takes all the risk, and no onr is forcing you to sign with them.
Damn first time I see that 100T application for lud, crazy to think how different his trajectory would've been if that went through.
Froste sounds like a 24/7 Critikal impression
The 85 percent for their own brand deals is insane but making 2.5k a month plus what you made from stream. Very livable, just for being in the org you make 30 grand a year.
If there's something their org should have done for them extra, it's not let them get a house with 10k rent, but yeah I get you
@@Kai-K if they all picked that house together, they are dumb asf and they would've fallen off by doing smthn else stupid
Thanks for clearing this situation up. I heard about this and was pissed at 100T but after hearing the whole story it seems like some teenagers got lazy and fumbled the bag. The 95-85 is still fucked but that could’ve been changed if they did blow up and being given that chance is amazing as is.
great vid Big A, nice to be reminded that Ludwin was once a 300 viewer Andy
Valkyrae joined when she got only couple hundreds viewers yet she has 2m subs on yt now and owns a percentage of 100T, cuz she did work
Damn. Imagine actually working for what you get.
85% isn't bad for sponsorships that were brought solely by 100Thieves. Nadeshot isn't saying they would take 85% of sponsorships garnered by the mob.
This was a great video, Mr. Atrioc. Great takes.
okay but Froste doesn't have an NFT profile pic on twitter
The way I see it with the cut of sponsorship, if 100T are bringing you the deals it seems logical that they only give you a small cut
After all they were the ones cutting them in not vice versa
I don't think anybody is going to argue positively about the 85/15% revenue split. That being said it's gotta be the biggest slap in the face to nadeshot that they're calling out 100T for lack of pay when he did this shit a decade ago with 0$ guaranteed. Him and the OpTic guys literally made the template for the mob to follow, and it seems like once they "made it" they got complacent and didn't even seem like they wanted to do anything to make their dream a reality. Now let's see how many content houses come from 100T... I'm betting 0.
Those kids wanted a free ride. Those don’t exist, bro. Streaming is a JOB. It’s a good one that provides a lot of freedoms. But it’s still a JOB. They treated it like a vacation and lost their best shot.
That 85% cut would be unfair if they were actually worth something… They wanted free lambos
You can only lead the horse to water
Love the content atrioc
My favorite thing is streamers talking about their stream grind like they’re coal miners in the hills of West Virginia lmao
35% is ready pretty damn big but 85??????
There’s an S3K house?!?
80 percent sounds rough Until you look at the alternative which is growing on your own with no help, having to look for your own sponsorships who see a creator with 200 active viewers intstead of a group of streamers with multiple thousands of active viewer
That still doesn’t make 80 percent ok.
I don’t really care about who is in the right, but just because the alternative is getting nothing doesn’t mean that 80 percent isn’t exploitative
@@Sergio-wc1wn yeah charlie posted a vid where he says his company takes 15% and that the astronomically high numbers seen elsewhere are solely based on an out of date "it's always been done that way" rationale
@@maXXXthesilent Yeah but Moist company is a management company. It's not an organization that also pays a base salary. They also are doing way more deals. They also aren't doing nearly as large of deals for a group of 4 people. It's not really comparable. 100T giving them each a $2,500 monthly salary + $2,500-$3,000 monthly content budget was basically an advancement for the extra % in sponsorship money. And all of those guys grew from 50-100 viewers to 1500+ viewers only because of 100T. Those sponsorships would of never been possible especially at that magnitude without 100T. Instead of getting $200k sponsorships they would of gotten $75 mobile app sponsorships. '
@@Sergio-wc1wn I hate to say this but literally no one is forcing them to sign the contract. @maXXXthesilent If Charlies deal is that good a deal they should go work with him, thats how capitalism is supposed to function.
I would've fucking LOVED the opportunity to just be apart of the org. The pay would've been a secondary benefit, because just being apart of the org brings so much engagement and for a content creator, that is immense help to blowing up in the content game. Hell, if I joined and the contract said, "you get to pick the house, you get paid, and you get to make content all day every day" I would've chosen an $800 a month apartment and been frugal asf in order to make the most out of that deal, but I guess some people just want to live in luxury no matter how short the time is that they spend in it
I feel like the main thing is the expectations of both parties were misunderstood. In my mind, signing to an org isn't for the paycheck. If you are a content creator big enough for an org to notice you and sign you, you should already be making a decent living. The purpose of the org is not to be your main source of income, it's to give you a larger platform in order to make opportunities for larger deals. If you want to make a guaranteed salary with benefits and a retirement plan go work a normal job.
people forget nade is og cod and is about that life
The photo of trash around the computer from their house looks like a scripted photo that someone would set up lmao.
Mogul Mail looks a little different
How can 100T exploit a group that cost money to maintain. I doubt they made any money for signing The Mob since they almot never uploaded, or streamed. It sounds to me like the Mob took advantage of 100t easy paycheck.
We stan Quack in this house
atrioc exploits his chatters 😔
[Pepe sad face]
There is an excellent Devin Nash video analyzing this scenario. I personally think this was an issue of Nadeshot trying to impose the "older" ways onto younger kids, but they had so much to work with and did not put in the work IMO. 85% of ad revenue is an egregious amount but as they were smaller creators there was no way 100T could make ROI on them. They spent $240,000/yr on them and if the mob became more successful they could have renegotiated.
100T took none of their money from streaming. No ad revenue. It was written in the contract that 100T could take up to 85% on any sponsorship deal they got them. 100T ended up only taking 35% on 2/3 deals they gave them.
I think it should be concerning that Nadeshot says that 100T took 85% of sponsorship deals as if that’s a reasonable amount
I would consider it reasonable considering they pay a yearly salary of 65k plus a $2500 bonus to spend for streaming content monthly and you’re only required to stream a minimum of 20hours a week.
They are "unknown", the sponsorship that comes probably because 100T name, 100T have to get something, especially when all youtube revenue went to the creators.
The whole idea that "they'll try harder if they get paid more" is a negative feedback loop. When you're making content, you have to put in the extra effort to grow bigger and make more, but instead you work less because you aren't getting paid a lot at the start.
i know plenty of people who make a lot less than 65k a year doing fucking slave labor who work harder and they def don’t get any of the revenue they earn for their org. p insane for anyone to imply that we should pamper this teenager like a prince so he graces us by playing video games on camera instead of off camera.
Quacks edits hit different
Idk if you'd like the game but you might want to check out Rimworld. Could be a good stream game but like a slow burn type beat.
Quack is really killing it
At the end of the day, I would never live in a content house. Those always seem like they end horribly.
I thought 100 thieves was the pirate game where you co-op drive a ship 😅
This is a certified QuacK banger
This dude got the most eyes on him with this bs😂
Danm, Atrioc and Froste got something in common.
Not paying Editors
Your answer is right in the title bud. Small creator
Honestly low key glad to see him get clowned, hope this is the wake up call he desperately needs
just cant get over that full micky D's coffee that had to be sitting there for at least 3 days with all the curded milk in it.
Bro 85% cut is wild, I’m not even a creator but i definitely would look at that number and go, wait a minute that’s doesn’t seem right
the thing is though that thats only of brand deals which pay insane amounts of money and are only coming in at all because they are on 100t. They would not get those brand deals if they werent. so even if it was 1% its nore than they would make on their own. and add on top of that 2.5k a month and 100% of their streaming and adrev. And the connection of having people in 100t to collab with is an insanely profitable opportunity. Like massive for their size.
@@quinsey9211 nah this is not a good take. For example moistcritical’s marketing agency takes 15%, 85% is unacceptable, what you said doesnt justify so much of a cut
@@galador8089 Tell me someone from that agency that blew up from being in that agency more than anyone whos joined 100t ever. does he also move them into their own place and pay them a monthly salary and make constant videos with them? ive never heard of even 1.
@@galador8089 85% of a cut of 1 of several revenue streams all of which you only got because you joined them. its 100x what they were making before and they will now make over 100x what they were making even after leaving because of it. had they not signed it they would be no one, no where, doing nothing. lol
@@quinsey9211 not to mention 100T has a whole team that negotiates these deals for these streamers. Even if the streamer got the DM from the sponsor they still directed them to 100T for negotiation
When has moving friends into a house ever gone well they keep making mistakes lmaooo
1 minute and 30 seconds in and atrioc they were forced to pick a house in range of nadeshot so no.
The turnaround on this video was crazy, thanks Quack
BIG A THE GLIZZY GOD
Damn imagine the world we’d be in if we had gotten 100T Ludwig
A worse one, Lud thrives on his own.
@@trendybistro I think you’re right, from Lud’s perspective. But I think he’d have brought a lot to the table at 100T, and 100T would be better today for it.
apparently 100t only took 85% once and all the other sponsors they took 65%
100T got them 3 sponsorships. 1 of them 100T got 35% and the Mob each got $30k (Fireball). 1 of them 100T got 35% and the Mob each got $12k (Elgato). The third we don't know what deal it was or what the money made from it was. We do know that the Mob also got other sponsorships (like gambling) on their own. Froste however originally lied and claimed 100T took 95% and that he had no money. When in reality they didn't, those opportunities where they took 35% was only possible because of 100T, and Froste was making well over $120,000 a year and had awful financial management.
Also holy shit their room is messy. At least when I make a mess like that I clean the next morning before I leave the house jesus
The whole point of paying these people in the first place is to get a return. It’s like a shitty deal with a music studio. The 10k/mo rent they chose is basically the end of this conversation
From what I understand, they got 2500/mth (75k a year) plus all stream money and 15% of sponsorships? And they were STRUGGLING?
Nadeshot needed a South Korean man to have kept the kids in line.
Didn’t Nadeshot say that when he moved into the optic house rent was paid for? lol don’t think if it’s a fair comparison to mob because they had to pay
they were making easily enough to live and pay rent, they chose the most expensive house they could find, ordered delivery constantly, and worked 1/4 of normal full time work hours. they have no one to blame but themselves.
Nadeshot gave them the opportunity and the mob blew it. Something for both sides to learn from. It’s a new experience for the mob, & I think it sad their performance for 1-2 years were so low compared to so many other starter streamers, or other 100t members streams.
They just needed to put in the work, they had content money, & getting 65k a year. How are they scrounging for scraps? Possibly the house payments/bills but they wanted peak living style without even being able to afford it.
They definitely needed someone to manage them & help out financially such as housing, time management & marketing.
The mob must have mistaken the 100T for an OTK contract. Once you sign on to OTK you only stream like once per month.
1. Frost and the mob didnt work. (besides classy he did it as part time and also had health issues during it too)
2. 100t contract was ridiculous but at the same time they never claimed any of the contractual percentage
3. I thnk Froste is pissed at Nade for personal reasons
4. Lesson is get a lawyer kids...And when you get an oppurtunity for your dream dont waste it like Froste.
5, I hope Quack is getting a bag for these videos
Nadeshot lived in the OpTiC house which had a COD team living in it. Sure they smoked weed and stuff but they also consistently stream and scrim. Sure Hecz had a a lot to do with it. But The MOB lacked work ethic and you can't say if you put 4 friends in a house and give them money they'll do nothing. If they didn't do anything it's their own personality that's at fault and not 100T. They were given a golden oppurtunity and they did fuck all with it. And complaining about the internet not working....pretty sure Froste didn't do anything to fix that. Probably only texted the org like : our internet isn't working. They also had access to the 100T compound but during COVID that probably didn't work.
If in your contract your pay is based on how much revenue you bring in, to jump to blaming your boss before considering what you could've done better is kinda wild.
Now we'll always have that "what if" about an alternate reality when 100T could have signed Ludwig for a basement price of $65,000/year and keep 35% of all his sponsorship earnings 🤣
Bro I wouldve KILLED for that contract.