I spent 25 years in the COGIC. A white man in the black church. I submitted to black leadership and I have black fathers. I learned how to interpret scripture from a black woman. Shortly after I joined I was in a Bible study and was asked to interpret a Psalm. I really hacked it. And then a black woman stood up. She wasn't the teacher just someone sitting in the pew behind me. And she went through the Psalm and beautifully expounded on what it means. I sat there and said to myself, wow, that's how it's done. And I learned. Later I was put over classes and put in charge of the Sunday school and I was always very conscientious to teach correctly. And I learned the Bible by teaching it. I also became a preacher and I was a good preacher. But I am about 5 times the teacher as I am a preacher. I also sat under a pastor that loved me and set an example of ministry and of holiness that will challenge me for the rest of my life. The church is well able to prepare and qualify quality ministers.
I was raised in the COGIC Pentecostal Faith as well. My father was a pastor for over 47 years and my mother was an evangelist. Even though I now attend a nondenominational church, I still stand on the principles and doctrine written in the Scriptures and taught to me through my COGIC upbringing.
Thank you @HolyPost and Pastor Charlie Dates! I’ve re-watched this twice now and will again. The truth was spoken even if ears didn’t want to hear it. I think with more pastors willing to embrace their brothers and sisters of multi cultures, the future is hopeful and the word will still go forward with power through Christ Jesus!
I have utmost gratitude for Phil Visher, Skye Gitani, and Kaitlin Schless for being willing to stand up and stand out and go against the grain. I had to pull out of church for years because it became so partisan and angry. Either agree with madness, or be considered the enemy. Finding the Holy Post was a life saver. I was not as alone as I thought. I wish Charlie Date was a pastor in my area. I'd be the first in the door. I'm a little old white lady. You are all heros in many of our lives. ❤
36:46 Charlie Dates left us with a lot of food for thought. I'm a mixed race Black American who attended a Black religious academy until middle school. I left religion right around the time I left that school, and the primary reason for abandoning both was the baggage of that church. Yes, we have problems in this country with colorism, racism, and xenophobia. What Mr. Dates fails to mention is the xenophobia within the Black church which made me abandon it. What sustained, and unified our communities in the past also keeps biases alive within our communities. Today I attend a multiracial/ multi-ethnic Baptist church because I honor my past, but I'm not interested in wallowing in it. The Holy Post podcast isn't afraid to mention that the most segregated time in this country is Sunday morning. What does Pastor Dates plan on doing about that? As he points out this country will become more of a rainbow in 40 years. I know i'm ready for it. I wonder if he is?
Charlie Dates is spitting fire. I got to see Warnock preach in Atlanta this summer and it was great. I recently stumbled into an AMEZ church in my neighborhood just a 4 minute walk from my house. I agree with him. Find a black church and go once in awhile. And go with a heart of service to see what you can do for them. Not how you can change them.
Charlie Dates made it plain and explained the African American culture perfectly, from the perspective of faith and life in general as a black Christian. It's difficult to accept concepts of a loving and righteous God from the lens of white evangelicals due to their history and support of someone like Donald Trump and JD Vance. After all, the majority of white supremacy groups, AND many white evangelical churches (80%) have embraced Trump and his violent, racist rhetoric to be worthy of their votes. And that, in of itself, testifies what they truly believe about people of color. If a church can't be aware, empathetic, and concerned about the physical and mental welfare of immigrants and people of color (e.g. social issues pertaining to justice, healthcare, and life), then white evangelicals can't possibly be concerned about the spiritual welfare of the people. The conflict of wanting to be the saviors and the oppressors of the people at the same time can't mix. To speak of the love of God and His righteousness, yet support a man who hammers hatred, revenge, deportation of families, and dictatorship... It's like oil and water. It can't mix.
Skye saying he was suprised people caved is weird because Skye doesnt really rock the boat of Christianity Today, or many big Evangelical publications.
Charlie Dates is spot on! White supremacy is exhausting. It is exhausting to keep trying to teach the results and consequences of racism to white evangelicals when they have no intention of changing their mindset concerning the painful reality of it, and its harmful effects on those in society. (2 Timothy 3:7)
1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. The reason it is hard for "white evangelicals" to change their minds is because, if they are true born again bible believers, they no longer regard the flesh (2 Corinthians 5:16). They see past flesh to spiritual things. They see themselves as a chosen race, a new creation, God's own possession. So, when they hear someone saying they need to change because they see their race as supreme....they see that as wrong. If they are a child of God and a member of His chosen race, then they are supreme and will reign with Him! If God has given His child the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16) and told them they are a royal, chosen race and you tell them they need to change their mindset because that view is harmful to society, then you are lying to them and calling God a liar. God's children no longer regard the flesh. They see things spiritually. They see a chosen race (God's children) and a cursed race (Satan's children).
1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. The reason it is hard for "white evangelicals" to change their minds is because, if they are true born again bible believers, they no longer regard the flesh (2 Corinthians 5:16). They see past flesh to spiritual things. They see themselves as a chosen race, a new creation, God's own possession. So, when they hear someone saying they need to change because they see their race as supreme....they see that as wrong. If they are a child of God and a member of His chosen race, then they are supreme and will reign with Him! If God has given His child the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16) and told them they are a royal, chosen race and you tell them they need to change their mindset because that view is harmful to society, then you are lying to them and calling God a liar. God's children no longer regard the flesh. They see things spiritually. They see a chosen race (God's children) and a cursed race (Satan's children). Race is spiritual, not physical.
57:34 I'm going through that right now. I moved to the midwest from the northeast. I grew up in a black church. I desire to go to a multicultural church because of Revelation 7:9. However, most of the "multicultural churches" I can find in my city are white churches with a few black and brown members sprinkled who are not in any leadership positions. You know how colleges that are 90% white will promote the other 10% of students on their website and commercials to say that they value diversity? Unfortunately, the same thing is happening in the church. The church should bring light to the world and not be of it.
1:06:34 this is a really solid point! The goal should not be to "oppress the oppressors," but rather that we are all neighbors, loving each other and showing grace as equals, learning from each other, and judging people on the basis of character, rather than skin color.
Progressive Christians? Conservative christians? Politics is so infused into many American churches. Have you been baptized by the Holy Spirit? Are the fruits of the Spirit manifest in the church? Are you fasting and in prayer for each others burdens and for your community? Will you be ready to defend the gospel or proclaim Jesus when it will become more and more difficult? Will you have the spiritual discernment to identify falsehoods from truth? This is whats needs our time and attention more than anything.
Lol! Usually in a toxic relationship, when the other side addresses a concern, they get to ignored. Just like you just did, quick to point the law but not living it. How can you say you have Jesus but can’t listen to your brother? Quick to dismiss them. You make it seem like being a Christian is about following a set of rules and the rest will magically happen. How will it happen if we don’t address problems existing in church? Do you have the Holy Spirit in you? If so learn to care about what people that don’t look like you care about and pray that God bring understanding…
I'm not sure as a White English Anglican I should be commenting but the definition of "history as theology taught by illustration" is brilliant and provoking (in a good sense). Secondly, the African church was very significant during the Church's early centuries - Tertullian, Cyprian and Augustine (probably of Berber heritage).
56:34 Ugh 😢 ... the voice cracking. I wanted to go hug him. As a mixed person in a predominantly white space, I feel it. The heart break of hope lost. The first thing I thought of was that, in order for things to change, the last should be first and the first should be last. Instead of integration/ assimilation happening from mixed race to white space, reverse it. Then and only then will we begin to see change.
1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light. The family of God only has one race. You cannot mix race in the family of God.
51:20 Did he just erase Kamila Harris's Indian ancestry and her being raised primarily by her Indian mother? I get that it doesn't message when you're being pulled over, but does one's ethical background outside of "blackness" get completely erased? I think this is a very one-dimensional way of looking at a complex reality.
Katlin is a hypocrite, -Not a liar. This is the direct result of living in a community echo chamber. You see living within real world context allows you too provide the opportunity for having a non bias perspective. # Bots don't use the edit feature # Iron sharpens Iron ...................................................................... Lincoln, N.E.🌱
2 Corinthians 5:16 From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer. Skin tone is meaningless in the Kingdom of God. Jesus looks at the heart and Christians should as well. Satan loves when Christians get together to discuss skin tone rather than doctrine and the heart. Mr. Dates says to start listening to non-white and female preachers. How about listening to preachers who preach truth. Judging who you learn from based on skin tone and gender will lead you into deception. Regard no one according to the flesh!
he says that because there are aspects of truth that aren’t highlighted by those who claim to have the whole truth but actually have major blind spots..it’s arrogant to assume or through omission give the impression that the cultural and social context of white western men have it all figured out.
What black church would you have us to go to Eddie Long’s church now under Bryant who is a false pastor black of the largest church in Atlanta, you absolutely are talking in the flesh flesh you not talking by the spirit
"Black church" is not limited to the mega churches with Black pastors. Black churches are found in predominantly Black neighborhoods just like white churches are found in predominantly white neighborhoods.
You can have CRT or you can have Gal. 3:28 "Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." You cannot have both. Romans 2:11 "For God shows no partiality." James 2:9 " But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors." "Progressive" Christianity is all about critical theory and showing unholy partiality. Yep, ALL LIVES MATTER to God. This is truth. If this triggers you, you are simply triggered by God and His Word and in reality, you probably hate Him.
It’s so cool that the country you live in experiences Galatians 3 in this way. Here in America minorities are systematically marginalized and harmed. I hope we can attain your privileged status someday.
Would you mind letting me know if you agree or disagree with the following statements and why you believe as you do? Thanks in advance. 1. There is no biological basis for the concept of race. What we call race is a social construct that was culturally invented and is maintained by people. 2. Racism has been used in order to exploit and oppress people of color and other racial minority groups. It is still being used to various degrees in order to subjugate minority groups to the extent that such treatment is able to be done and worthwhile to those who are in power. 3. Even to the extent that legal equality has been achieved, there are still negative ongoing effects from previously racist laws and systems. These effects tend to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and non-whites. 4. To the extent that race-based hierarchies and other unjust hierarchies still exist, we should all be working together toward eliminating them and having a truly just society.
@dubyag4124 comments like this really fail to recognize what makes a person unique and distinct. Our lived experiences because of the color of our skin differ from your own. Choosing to ignore or "not see color" is choosing not to see us. That's not to mention how you cherry picked verses for your argument waayyy out of context. James 2:9 is about the rich and the poor not ethnic background. Romans 2:11 is about not Judging one another sins. Galatians 3:28 is how the Law and promises of God were for all men.
Context is everything. Race does apply to our context and Gal 3:28 doesn’t speak nor take into account the racial disparity and marginalization in our current context. Your statement diminishes the experiences of Black Christians who face racism even in the midst of white church spaces. Cut it out
Out of all of the social justice and dialogue on the state of the church, you are upset about a denomination being labeled “progressive.” Do better Pharisee.
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I spent 25 years in the COGIC. A white man in the black church. I submitted to black leadership and I have black fathers. I learned how to interpret scripture from a black woman. Shortly after I joined I was in a Bible study and was asked to interpret a Psalm. I really hacked it. And then a black woman stood up. She wasn't the teacher just someone sitting in the pew behind me. And she went through the Psalm and beautifully expounded on what it means. I sat there and said to myself, wow, that's how it's done. And I learned. Later I was put over classes and put in charge of the Sunday school and I was always very conscientious to teach correctly. And I learned the Bible by teaching it. I also became a preacher and I was a good preacher. But I am about 5 times the teacher as I am a preacher. I also sat under a pastor that loved me and set an example of ministry and of holiness that will challenge me for the rest of my life. The church is well able to prepare and qualify quality ministers.
I was raised in the COGIC Pentecostal Faith as well. My father was a pastor for over 47 years and my mother was an evangelist. Even though I now attend a nondenominational church, I still stand on the principles and doctrine written in the
Scriptures and taught to me through my COGIC upbringing.
Thank you @HolyPost and Pastor Charlie Dates! I’ve re-watched this twice now and will again. The truth was spoken even if ears didn’t want to hear it. I think with more pastors willing to embrace their brothers and sisters of multi cultures, the future is hopeful and the word will still go forward with power through Christ Jesus!
I have utmost gratitude for Phil Visher, Skye Gitani, and Kaitlin Schless for being willing to stand up and stand out and go against the grain. I had to pull out of church for years because it became so partisan and angry. Either agree with madness, or be considered the enemy. Finding the Holy Post was a life saver. I was not as alone as I thought. I wish Charlie Date was a pastor in my area. I'd be the first in the door. I'm a little old white lady. You are all heros in many of our lives. ❤
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Most important interview I have heard all year on this, or any other, podcast.
I really feel like the theme song needs to be amended at this point...
This was an excellent episode! Thank you all for doing what you do.
36:46 Charlie Dates left us with a lot of food for thought. I'm a mixed race Black American who attended a Black religious academy until middle school. I left religion right around the time I left that school, and the primary reason for abandoning both was the baggage of that church. Yes, we have problems in this country with colorism, racism, and xenophobia. What Mr. Dates fails to mention is the xenophobia within the Black church which made me abandon it. What sustained, and unified our communities in the past also keeps biases alive within our communities. Today I attend a multiracial/ multi-ethnic Baptist church because I honor my past, but I'm not interested in wallowing in it. The Holy Post podcast isn't afraid to mention that the most segregated time in this country is Sunday morning. What does Pastor Dates plan on doing about that? As he points out this country will become more of a rainbow in 40 years. I know i'm ready for it. I wonder if he is?
“I don’t think Black people were intent on starting a Black Church” .. “we have to be honest about who birthed the bifurcation of the church..”
Charlie Dates is spitting fire. I got to see Warnock preach in Atlanta this summer and it was great. I recently stumbled into an AMEZ church in my neighborhood just a 4 minute walk from my house. I agree with him. Find a black church and go once in awhile. And go with a heart of service to see what you can do for them. Not how you can change them.
Hahaha. Load of crap. Dates a race pimp all day.
Pastor Charlie Dates 🌹
I really gotta start driving to Chicago. Milwaukee ain’t that far but, Whew! That traffic! 😂
Charlie Dates made it plain and explained the African American culture perfectly, from the perspective of faith and life in general as a black Christian. It's difficult to accept concepts of a loving and righteous God from the lens of white evangelicals due to their history and support of someone like Donald Trump and JD Vance. After all, the majority of white supremacy groups, AND many white evangelical churches (80%) have embraced Trump and his violent, racist rhetoric to be worthy of their votes. And that, in of itself, testifies what they truly believe about people of color. If a church can't be aware, empathetic, and concerned about the physical and mental welfare of immigrants and people of color (e.g. social issues pertaining to justice, healthcare, and life), then white evangelicals can't possibly be concerned about the spiritual welfare of the people. The conflict of wanting to be the saviors and the oppressors of the people at the same time can't mix. To speak of the love of God and His righteousness, yet support a man who hammers hatred, revenge, deportation of families, and dictatorship... It's like oil and water. It can't mix.
Skye saying he was suprised people caved is weird because Skye doesnt really rock the boat of Christianity Today, or many big Evangelical publications.
I wish I could have been here!!! I live in Chicago!😩 I was with you a in heart and I went to another live a event in July so 💙💙🙏
Charlie Dates is spot on! White supremacy is exhausting. It is exhausting to keep trying to teach the results and consequences of racism to white evangelicals when they have no intention of changing their mindset concerning the painful reality of it, and its harmful effects on those in society. (2 Timothy 3:7)
1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
The reason it is hard for "white evangelicals" to change their minds is because, if they are true born again bible believers, they no longer regard the flesh (2 Corinthians 5:16). They see past flesh to spiritual things. They see themselves as a chosen race, a new creation, God's own possession. So, when they hear someone saying they need to change because they see their race as supreme....they see that as wrong. If they are a child of God and a member of His chosen race, then they are supreme and will reign with Him!
If God has given His child the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16) and told them they are a royal, chosen race and you tell them they need to change their mindset because that view is harmful to society, then you are lying to them and calling God a liar. God's children no longer regard the flesh. They see things spiritually. They see a chosen race (God's children) and a cursed race (Satan's children).
1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
The reason it is hard for "white evangelicals" to change their minds is because, if they are true born again bible believers, they no longer regard the flesh (2 Corinthians 5:16). They see past flesh to spiritual things. They see themselves as a chosen race, a new creation, God's own possession. So, when they hear someone saying they need to change because they see their race as supreme....they see that as wrong. If they are a child of God and a member of His chosen race, then they are supreme and will reign with Him!
If God has given His child the mind of Christ (1 Corinthians 2:16) and told them they are a royal, chosen race and you tell them they need to change their mindset because that view is harmful to society, then you are lying to them and calling God a liar. God's children no longer regard the flesh. They see things spiritually. They see a chosen race (God's children) and a cursed race (Satan's children). Race is spiritual, not physical.
Christianity hasn’t recovered since westernization
57:34 I'm going through that right now. I moved to the midwest from the northeast. I grew up in a black church. I desire to go to a multicultural church because of Revelation 7:9. However, most of the "multicultural churches" I can find in my city are white churches with a few black and brown members sprinkled who are not in any leadership positions. You know how colleges that are 90% white will promote the other 10% of students on their website and commercials to say that they value diversity? Unfortunately, the same thing is happening in the church. The church should bring light to the world and not be of it.
Every tadpole is precious. And the thing that look like teeny tiny tadpoles.
Do all agree with this? Let's take a pole...
This is good
@ShaneamationMedia , @Sean-sSpicertainment , and I were there live at Chicago!!! We had a best time there!!!
That was the most amazing night we have ever gone to!
This was delightful.
Oop. 43:00 👀
1:06:34 this is a really solid point! The goal should not be to "oppress the oppressors," but rather that we are all neighbors, loving each other and showing grace as equals, learning from each other, and judging people on the basis of character, rather than skin color.
Progressive Christians? Conservative christians? Politics is so infused into many American churches. Have you been baptized by the Holy Spirit? Are the fruits of the Spirit manifest in the church? Are you fasting and in prayer for each others burdens and for your community? Will you be ready to defend the gospel or proclaim Jesus when it will become more and more difficult? Will you have the spiritual discernment to identify falsehoods from truth? This is whats needs our time and attention more than anything.
AMEN! And THANK YOU dear sibling 😊
Lol! Usually in a toxic relationship, when the other side addresses a concern, they get to ignored. Just like you just did, quick to point the law but not living it. How can you say you have Jesus but can’t listen to your brother? Quick to dismiss them. You make it seem like being a Christian is about following a set of rules and the rest will magically happen. How will it happen if we don’t address problems existing in church? Do you have the Holy Spirit in you? If so learn to care about what people that don’t look like you care about and pray that God bring understanding…
43:20 Oof. "Authentically black" sounds an awful lot like gate keeping and "No True Scott's man".
I'm not sure as a White English Anglican I should be commenting but the definition of "history as theology taught by illustration" is brilliant and provoking (in a good sense). Secondly, the African church was very significant during the Church's early centuries - Tertullian, Cyprian and Augustine (probably of Berber heritage).
56:34 Ugh 😢 ... the voice cracking. I wanted to go hug him. As a mixed person in a predominantly white space, I feel it. The heart break of hope lost.
The first thing I thought of was that, in order for things to change, the last should be first and the first should be last. Instead of integration/ assimilation happening from mixed race to white space, reverse it. Then and only then will we begin to see change.
1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light.
The family of God only has one race. You cannot mix race in the family of God.
@@FollowerofChrist1234 Respectfully, I hear what you're saying, but I think you missed the point entirely.
I wish all y'all would actually name names. That would actually be prophetic.
51:20 Did he just erase Kamila Harris's Indian ancestry and her being raised primarily by her Indian mother? I get that it doesn't message when you're being pulled over, but does one's ethical background outside of "blackness" get completely erased? I think this is a very one-dimensional way of looking at a complex reality.
Katlin is a hypocrite, -Not a liar.
This is the direct result of living in a community echo chamber. You see living within real world context allows you too provide the opportunity for having a non bias perspective.
# Bots don't use the edit feature
# Iron sharpens Iron
......................................................................
Lincoln, N.E.🌱
There's no such thing as a non biased perspective. Anyone who tells you otherwise is trying to sell you something.
Where is Skye’s hat? Lol
Best News of the Butt ever.
No life after dead is for sure.
Hahahaha! MAGA!
2 Corinthians 5:16 From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer.
Skin tone is meaningless in the Kingdom of God. Jesus looks at the heart and Christians should as well. Satan loves when Christians get together to discuss skin tone rather than doctrine and the heart.
Mr. Dates says to start listening to non-white and female preachers. How about listening to preachers who preach truth. Judging who you learn from based on skin tone and gender will lead you into deception. Regard no one according to the flesh!
There was a lot of truth in this video. Did you learn from it?
he says that because there are aspects of truth that aren’t highlighted by those who claim to have the whole truth but actually have major blind spots..it’s arrogant to assume or through omission give the impression that the cultural and social context of white western men have it all figured out.
We clearly didn’t listen to the same interview…
What black church would you have us to go to Eddie Long’s church now under Bryant who is a false pastor black of the largest church in Atlanta, you absolutely are talking in the flesh flesh you not talking by the spirit
By whose standard? Yours?
"Black church" is not limited to the mega churches with Black pastors. Black churches are found in predominantly Black neighborhoods just like white churches are found in predominantly white neighborhoods.
You can have CRT or you can have Gal. 3:28 "Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus."
You cannot have both.
Romans 2:11 "For God shows no partiality."
James 2:9 " But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors."
"Progressive" Christianity is all about critical theory and showing unholy partiality.
Yep, ALL LIVES MATTER to God. This is truth. If this triggers you, you are simply triggered by God and His Word and in reality, you probably hate Him.
It’s so cool that the country you live in experiences Galatians 3 in this way. Here in America minorities are systematically marginalized and harmed. I hope we can attain your privileged status someday.
Amen
Would you mind letting me know if you agree or disagree with the following statements and why you believe as you do? Thanks in advance.
1. There is no biological basis for the concept of race. What we call race is a social construct that was culturally invented and is maintained by people.
2. Racism has been used in order to exploit and oppress people of color and other racial minority groups. It is still being used to various degrees in order to subjugate minority groups to the extent that such treatment is able to be done and worthwhile to those who are in power.
3. Even to the extent that legal equality has been achieved, there are still negative ongoing effects from previously racist laws and systems. These effects tend to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and non-whites.
4. To the extent that race-based hierarchies and other unjust hierarchies still exist, we should all be working together toward eliminating them and having a truly just society.
@dubyag4124 comments like this really fail to recognize what makes a person unique and distinct. Our lived experiences because of the color of our skin differ from your own. Choosing to ignore or "not see color" is choosing not to see us.
That's not to mention how you cherry picked verses for your argument waayyy out of context.
James 2:9 is about the rich and the poor not ethnic background.
Romans 2:11 is about not Judging one another sins.
Galatians 3:28 is how the Law and promises of God were for all men.
Context is everything. Race does apply to our context and Gal 3:28 doesn’t speak nor take into account the racial disparity and marginalization in our current context. Your statement diminishes the experiences of Black Christians who face racism even in the midst of white church spaces. Cut it out
Progressive national Baptist Church really really all I heard out of this man was flesh no spirit no spirit
By whose standards? Yours?
Out of all of the social justice and dialogue on the state of the church, you are upset about a denomination being labeled “progressive.” Do better Pharisee.
@HolyPost