FULL STREAM: Clem Sunter vs Julius Malema Cape Chamber of Commerce debate on economy
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Controversal MP and Economic Freedom Fighters leader Julius Malema took on Clem Sunter, one of South Africa’s most prominent authors and scenario planners, in a two-round debate at the Cape Sun at 7pm on Friday, February 12.
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This man Malema is a moving brains. I love him to death. God bless you Juju.
Death brains yes😂😂
Nkhosi 1:47 Sik|🔴❤️ 2:01
That time Kobus just realised Malema isn't as stupid as the South African Media portrays him to be. Good points. Good debate. Hope for more!
Eish 🙆 Louder Cuz 🤷😠😡😠🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦
I've believed he was. But this debate opened my eyes.
I guess the problem is you never fully listen to his interviews, I guess ❤️
@sinethembantsendwana4288 read for comprehension!
I am from Austria and I was once in South Africa. The first thing you notice is the absolutely unacceptable gap between rich and poor. I personally would not even want to be rich there. Being rich in South Africa is simply not something you want at all when you see the living conditions of other people. The way in the cab from the airport to capetown was a catastrophe. i understand that white people don't see or want to see that because it is easy to say "it's the blacks' fault". It doesn't matter at all how you feel about Malema's ideas. It's absolutely necessary to do something about it.
Black fault how? Did everybody forget about apartheid
@@tshepo4612 There were many rich blacks during apartheid! Just because they were apart, it doesn't mean that they had to be poor! There were also many poor white people during apartheid. Poverty is created by the number of brain cells you have ,.. not by the colour of your skin!
My friend you are a true human being because you are willing to acknowledge the truth and you can see the truth
Danke. Das bedeutet mir wirklich viel. Seit ich das Kapital im 21ten Jhdt gelesen habe, sehe ich so einiges vollkommen anders.
It the stop having multiple wives and then still some concubines and breeding children by the dozen, they will also not be so poor. These are shack dwellers that have land and homes in Eastern Cape and they arrive by busloads and erect shacks and form ghettos because instead of working their land in eastern Cape they come and squat near Urban Areas for easy work as domestics ,gardeners etc. Many also are on Government grants for children and do not work. They breed more children to get more grants. You have NO IDEA of South Africa and how the Black culture works. Many are foreign illegals that cross the porouis borders.
Im 6 years late to the party but damn this feels good to hear
I'm late too. But truly appreciate the debate
We are late but this is good stuff.
True
The audacity of some people, how can you come to someone else's house and disrespect them?Honorable Mallema you gave a strong intelligent debate 👏. Our land must be returned to us!
You dont need land to be successful
@@ClarkeKingJamesRonaldo land is more than success in Africa
@@ClarkeKingJamesRonaldo you’re insane! You typed, this nonsense sitting on land! Don’t come here & type such no nonsense
THEY are never short of audacity!
@@ClarkeKingJamesRonaldo what, are you high off Chinese weed
Wonderful to see a very intelligent non-biased white gentleman addressing the audience. This is a vital component, there are a great number of super intelligent African black people, many of them are skilled capable leaders.
+William B agreed
+William B My Steps and Solution for SA:
1) True Justice & solid reconciliation via sensible Land empowerment and Nationalization of resources for the benefit of the majority. No single family or person should be able to own hectares upon hectares just because they can. Those who can prove they purchased their property via their hard graft ( not stolen resources or mines) are allowed to keep it whilst those who can not prove ownership ( mainly apartheid Era land grabs ) will face confiscation without compensation. Negotiations can take place for certain circumstances.
2) "South Africa remains the most unequal country in the world with the two richest South Africans (Johann Rupert and Nicky Oppenheimer, according to Forbes) having wealth equal to the poorest 50 percent (i.e. 26.5-million people) of the country, according to an Oxfam global inequality report." This is madness...these two chaps will be forced to accept 65%-80% of their stolen "wealth" to be redistributed via the establishment of nationalised companies that pay good wages to workers and that bring tax revenue to the country. If they refuse they will be arrested on the grounds of perpetuating social discord in SA. Putin and Russia successfully done this to Oligarchs that controlled Russia's oil and gas resources and turned it into a national state company.
3) Capital Controls and an aggressive clampdown on tax evasion. You earn money in SA you have to invest at least 45% of it here.
4) Unflinching fight against elite political corruption and criminality. An independent powerful body to oversea this and the upholding of the constitution.
5) The removal of all statues, names and monuments that perpetuate white supremacy and imperialism from public grounds. These will be placed in museums so they remain historically important but are not openly glorified. If I was the leader of Zimbabwe I would dig up Rhodes and send him back to London. This will help healing and reconciliation.
6) Strong clampdown on violent crime and tougher sentencing.
7) Legalise, control & tax psychedelics.
8) Grow and utilise Hemp / bamboo as cash crops and job creators.
9) Skills and employment focused affordable education financed by cutting MP wages by 15% and adding more taxes on super luxury items
10) Brining in a relaxed two child policy for both the wealthy and the poor
11) Encouraging common sense politics and decision making.
12) Super charging the relationship within the BRICS in order to attain tech transfer and win-win or south-south mutual advancement. I'm sad to say the West still view Africans as subhumans and bully us into making SA a dumping ground for rotten western produce.
13) Close work with Billions in Change ( water and clean energy solutions), Winsun ( 3D Home production at super affordable prices)
14) Zero tolerance on poaching / enviromental degradation ( 25 year minimum sentences and death sentences for repeat offenders)
15) Dismantling of all Oligarch controlled news media and propaganda outlets
16) Introduction of living wages in order to close the wage gap between the rich and the poor and promote rapid career paths for Africans in the workplace. All medium and large business who can afford it have to pay this or face huge fines
17) Nationalising the Central Bank of SA. Why does the government borrow money from its on central bank at crazy rates of interest when it has the power to create money in the very same manner as the bank. Who is profiteering from the interest?
18) Creation of a separate development and Jobs Bank of SA that will provide trillions of Rand for concrete development and industrialization purposes. These "loans" will be 0.00001% interest rate and will not mature for 99 years and will not require payment until that date. ( By than the concept of money will become obsolete)
19) The creation of a SA automotive company that will build very modest but useful means of transportation ( motorcycles, scooters, rickshaws, small cars, mini buses) that run on electricity and that will be provided at slightly above cost price to the masses. Elon Musk will invited to help with this.
Overall result will be less tension, better life for all, less crime, more tourism and healthier SA
+Truth Bish! You and I have an equal point of view as regards the honourable Malema and all of South Africa.My having seen what the West has done to South Africa over this past 60 odd years, then with my second reading of the original David Livingston book Missionary Travels printed in 1856 or shortly thereafter, (I have since loaned this book to a Doctor from India) has shown what a deplorable history the Whites and the Portuguese embarked upon all those years ago.I have read the J A Michener book of the arrival of the Dutch Voortrekkers and as they became the Boers. In fact all the history that is publicly available.I myself am a born in Holland Australian, I have studied the life of the Australian Aborigine in the early times. I reel with shame as to the way the original British settlers treated the Indigenous of Australia. America is currently trashing the entire World. England has more blacks than whites.I would even like to see the Malema model brought into Australia with its model of equalities, but this won't happen in my lifetime.I have also studied Putin. He has done what many before him could never have done. may the force be with you.
William B Respect my white brother.
It is better that people look to the future and less to the sad memory of the broken body skeletons of South Africa's native people living close to the main cities in South Africa, during the horrors of bias and thuggery among that torturous and often deadly Apartheid era.
Wow... I still can believe the open mindedness, but strict approach that the CIC has 👌👌👌👌
The voice of a true great man, Mr. Malema.
Im a Namibian and the Khoisan woman was actually Trying I should say, to talk my language. Coz I had to listen 5 times to put together her words. We originally came from South Africa the history taught us. And its thrilling to see the Khoisan voice still out there in South Africa even after u lost ure language.
What tribe 4 you,, khoi khoi or the san be clear here bcoz khoisan is fake tribe
How many of the blafricans in South Africa are actually khoisan? Because they stole the land and turned the country into a third world country.
@@cbucicocimama9517 I bet you say that because you aren't indigenous and have no claim in South Africa
Go deeper in history
This was a really good discussion. More of this should happen.
Malema.... Malema... Thank you Lord for this guy.. The wisdom and knowledge embedded in him is something out of this world.. Thank you Lord. We are going somewhere
How can you thank the Lord for a person that shouts KILL, KILL, KILL unless you are addressing the lord of darkness. Make were sure the "somewhere" where you are going is the right path to the LORD JESUS CHRIST and not your lord the satan. Remember dead people (ancestors) can't help you. They are dead so leave them in peace. I don't think Mr. Malema needs any outside help - he knows what his aim is and he stands by it. Respect that from every person who got their own views on issues. The truth will always win.
Thank heavens for his white lawyers.O goodness......
@@viking_boer8474 okay viking boer lmao
Woow is my first time seeing this eye opening interview all hail to both contestants and thankful to Mr Santa for not being bias and telling truth as it is....I'm so impressed with his insights also....what a great engagement all hail to you Mr Malema you are a genius.
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Tell that to his lawyers.
Malema is smarter than a whole lot in the ANC and the DA. He holds no reservations.
Do south Africans blacks use the word nigga?
He is a clever devil, who is given too much practice on the podium. Some people like horror movies, some like listening to potential dictators.
Andrew David Harrison
Lol. Exactly. Black ppl worship these dictators (seeing them as this great opportunity) while failing to realise that they're only for themselves and not for the ppl.
Andrew David Harrison yes to greed white people like you
No we don't call each other nigga that is an American thing and we are happy for it to remain over there but we call each other comrade.
Malema is as sharp as a razor. I hear so many people dismissing him as an idiot, saying that the EFF will never make an impression. Every inch the ANC loses will be taken up by the EFF, at least that's what I think. I think he will be a great leader, not necessarily a good one, but certainly great. If his heart is truly for the people 100% then he could be the best leaders the world has ever seen...he has the capability no doubt....something is going to happen with him. My concern is if can we trust that what he says is coming from his heart? What makes me doubt is that he never spoke out against Ramaphosa and the likes when he was part of the ANC....further whilst Zuma had over 700 counts of corruption against him it was Malema who aided Zuma to power. Why??? Is he not only speaking out now because it suits his cause. Also if I look at him I see someone who drives a range rover, lives in Sandton, drinks Jonny Walker black......he's living the life of the rich and yet pleads the plight of the poor and oppressed. Please God help this country!
Good tactics: Praise highly and then destroy brutally!
Juju has long apologized to all South Africans for helping Zuma becoming President. Also, he speakes out against Cyril Ramaphosa.
Maybe he should use a byclcle, maybe. But to some Africans, Juju is Royalty and these Africans would aggree that he deserves a minimum comfort in chosing his working tools as their leader.
Your post sir, although a bit cunning, is very hishonest!
Actually I found myself being drawn towards him....but when I started to think hard about it these issues came to mind. Actually the cunning and dishonest one could well be Malema, I'm just stating how I see things....and hey I could be wrong. I recently heard him say that Zimbabwe is the only African country where Africans own it. He said that they have felt pain and that South Africa needs the same pain. The issue I really have with that is that whilst the poor suffer greatly and feel the pain, he won't be, in fact he'll still be living in absolute comfort. Is Mugabe feeling the pain? Politicians are all the same...they are only concerned about power and control. But the worst politicians are European, I mean Mugabe just wants to control Zimbabwe, yet the European Union Politians want to control the world.
Mr Luke Thomson, you are European. Juju is Afrikan.
Yes Zimbabwe is a free country now. Very free. And this is the opinion of a German Professor, very versed with the history of Zimbabwe. The main reason some people in Zimbabwe suffer right now is the economic embargo waged against that country. What the West cannot control it must destroy.
If you think you can create a divide between Mugabe, Malema and Afrikan people anywhere then you got it totally wrong.
Your entry into world history had to do with the destruction of the Afrikan world. Thus, your interest and Juju's are diametrically opposed. I do not expect you to understand his position.
He is speaking from an Afrikan Nationalist position which you must see as a threat to your zeal to hold unto your illusion of a Eurpean world domination. This controll sir, is slowly but steadily diminishing.
European peoples coming in significant numbers into Afrika meant the ultimate catastrophe for Afrika. This is a lesson of history. Juju understands this. And he is reminding the forum that South Africa has only the two options: Nationalizing its wealth through the ballot or through (the bullet) a revolution.
From my study of the past, if South Africa wants real peace, then there is only one option.
Friend, I sincerely wish you the very best for the future and hope thing work out for you and your fellow africans. have a wonderful day, and may God bless you and your family.
Luke Thomson
Thanks. Likewise.
EXCELLENT!!! We the remaining Africans such as Nigerians, Ghanaians, and others have to be invited to this important debate.
Remember Nigeria and Nigerians are in trouble for the uncontrolled debt that has no bases and no one is benefiting except the corrupt officers and politicians.
So true and well said and it's about time 👏👏
Now this is the Malema. I am fascinated about. I suppose that his current behaviour has been informed largely by the frustrations he may have faced in the past few years. His opinion here with a lot of decorum makes a better Malema. Up Malema!
Even if Zimbabwe are suffering today in future they will be glad they sacrificed to rid themselves of the descendants of our oppressors
True
Powerful articulation of facts, well said Malema!
People of South Africa vote for Malema. He is the right President you need
And Julius, truly peace attained through Dialogue is everlasting, but peace attained through war are always or most times met with revenge . I Welcome your sense of creating awareness and the attention. Bravo!
The revenge is what you are seeing, what is happening now. When they used force they didn't know that one Malema will to ignite fire. People must apologize and surrender. The entire Africa and the world will fight. That's the time the word will be fulfilled. The satan will be defeated
sounds good but not true...
Pls friends vote the EFF for a balanced South Africa
Mr. Malema you have great points. I wish people can vote u and ur party into power. The ANC is full of Corrupt liars.
The son of Africa GOD bless you Julius Malema.
That idiot needs help tying his shoes he is so dumb.
Keep fighting for your people brother tears run down my eyes I feel your pain we have been rob in so many ways.
"...voting was by the way" 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Great debaters. Today is my second day listening to it. I found it so amazing. Like you men knew what will be happening today.
time to make changes Vote for Malema
@David Miles your rulers (The Elite 1%) dont give a shit about you, and they're white. If they lose money and we own our resources they will try and starve the country, that's how they control the world
Crazy
@David Miles you talking shit & I hate it
Jo in Malema we believe, you hate it or love it we do not care.
@@mzihutegoski7089 idiot
Proud of Malema, sad how the media only shows him when his only screaming n shouting..
He does .his a total communist
Thank you Mr Malema for continuing to enlighten the world. As a South African who was sceptical about you and EFF before now you ou got my vote
Props to Malema for answering that Khoisan Lady question like he did.
Europeans have use that tactic of dived and conquer everywhere they go.
Here in Canada they used that same tactic on the indigenous population , they also purposefully have kids with indigenous woman to create even more division. In Brazil I believe they have created over 150 kinds of African mixes, even though Brazil is the second largest population of Africans after Nigeria.
African people no matter where they are should refer to themselves as Africans first, and only use your ethnic makeup in specific circumstances.
For all you Africans who are still in denial about the war that's still going on for the African continent and her resources. Wake the hell up. The only reason Southern Africa still have a robust population is because Europeans needed the cheap labor and countries in the south had a robust populations to draw from.
Do yourself a favor and Google the populations of indigenous groups in the west. The United States and Canada are well below 1% of the total population. The Caribbean where I'm from (Jamaica) all those indigenous people are totally wiped out. Australia, New Zealand are also well below 1%.
EFF all day, Everyday!
I agree
+Blunt Marley well African is African and that wont change, Khoisans are African like Xhosa's and Sotho's., white people should shut the fuck up
Blunt Marley by the way im South African, was born here, still live here and will probably die here... dont know where you got this canada thing
+Blunt Marley I think you're confusing nationality with race or ethnic identity. You really think that a Nigerian can go to China and call himself Chinese? Being African is more then being born on the African continent. It involves genetics.
Europeans can never be considered Africans because two Europeans can only reproduce themselves
because of their genetic recessive status. Africans contain 95% of the globe modern human DNA, none Africans carry only 5%. How the hell can a people that carry 95% be considered the same as people that only have 5% the same?
news.discovery.com/human/genetics-neanderthal-110718.htm
www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/04/090430144524.htm
Well said, sir.
Tired of being subject, we want to own✅✅✅✅
GREAT DEBATE I MUST SAY FROM BOTH MEN. THANKS.
Thanks for the information
Mr Malema I love you bro
Malema will lead this nation one day
When is he going to get rid of the white folks?
you are a criminal if you don't register to vote for eff.
God I can't wait for that day.
Mr. Malema is the among the few thus far who spoke up for the mass slaughter in America. Thank you Mr. Malema.
I truly believe he will be a great leader but we black people in America we'll have to put some of our fears aside because the correlation is so great to what we have seen happened to our leaders in the past. Mr. Malema as already stated that there are snipers being trained in South Africa he has entered into the realm of danger he has become a Target because he hopes to change the status quo. We see the divisiveness that's being interjected into conversations of thought after he gives a speech. He have delivered a blow to the chin love the white establishment in his country now whether or not it will be knockout blow or just a stunning one is that last only temporarily but I think that it appears you have an opportunity here to move forward in a way that has never been seen.
Mr Clem Sunter where is your conscience? Please come to your senses!!! This is for the sake of our children!!!!!
This is very interesting sharing the ideas of political divisions in peaceful manner.
Young people should not be expected too accept the ways the native Africans are forced too endure.under the demands of other nations. Other Nations have had their chance to rigtify the systems of justice and equally and has failed to address the needs of the multitude, and rather sult to suppress the majority. The opportunity to be the leader in such an endeavor should not have had been forced to recognize disparity in lack of equality. Therefore. Such an understanding is NOT reasonable under the present terms.
Damn boss you the best I love this I cant wait to vote and share your videos on my Facebook and Twitter.
I love Mr Malema
We Africa let's support malema and let's unite and fight for African freedom
Real talk sir we have to give back the land to the people
Malema refined the quality of how to put his arguements across over the years in terms of diplomacy
That was really worth while staying up for. It is interesting to see and get some understanding of the feelings about how black people feel that they have lost out because they have lost the land. I have to admit that I am at last quite impressed with Julius Malema's ideas and feeling. Still - I wonder how it is going to work out in the end. Can such a mixture of people really make a bonded society? Can it? (How come Cuba makes such fantastic music?)
He's a hate filled addicted moron who is owned and controlled by powerful money men. This is the bigotry of low expectations.
(Cubans,) probably because they are derived from Spanish & Creole people?
Cuba 🇨🇺 is a disaster! 80% of the population is almost starving
Son of the soil.Proud of u.
May u b blessed in EVERYTHING u do.
Uhmm I salute Malema as he always go straight to a point for what we are looking or waiting for without hesitation ,and I wonder why we don't recognize him and give him a chance to show himself on the next coming elections for me he's the best and might put us through
people do not like truth. Any way, Malema put it clear.
yes but I still remember how we lived on our farms in xosa land for free.
david smith Who?? Well i'm living in S.A. for over 60 years and never bean living for free so do'nt generalise your case.
+Brad Ley Africa is rising and will shine like the sun.
Julio's you speak truth and frankly,may god bless you, i also have the same mind, Africa and African's must be liberate from half done food..god bless Africa
The president of the board was never fair to Mr. malema in her introductory comments. She look down at Malema understanding about the issue.
indeed
You are on point. That was not a good introduction
I salute you Mr. Malema for your wise talks. you are the true leader and I wish you more years. what you are saying are lession learn by everyone. Thank. Simon Gum Ayat from New Nation South Sudan.
As a white Irish man, Ireland’s lands were stolen by English settlers and only returned after a violent civil war, land reparations don’t have to happen through violence but through dialogue. To begin with white South Africans must acknowledge and accept that the land they hold was not taken by their forefathers illegally and the consequences of this illegal land seizing is still being felt today. Land equity needs to be zoned out and black South Africans need to be provided training. It’s unbelievable how black South Africans suffered under Apartheid but yet in 2021 their natural resources have not been returned to them in a gesture of peace and reconciliation for the crimes they suffered.
@ GN You need to amend your comment to state "...the land taken by their forefathers WAS taken illegally"! Aka= THEFT!
It smacks of hypocrisy that an Irish man who rightfully acknowledges that their land was stolen by the English and only returned AFTER A VIOLENT CIVIL WAR , has the audacity to state that the THEFT OF LAND IN AZANIA aka 'South Africa' should be settled by dialogue?!
The absolute hypocrisy of white privilege 'unconscious bias' rears its head again...👀
Amen
Everytime I arrive in Johannesburg (I mainly come to SA on transit mainly work related) and I see the metal shacks which are home to millions of people of South Africa, surely my heart bleeds.
I often wonder, why has the liberation movement sold out on the ordinary Black South Africans who paid with their lives to make SA a democratic country, only to be forgotten by their own elite who have now assumed the former regime place of priviledge as elites and live in Sandton; whilst the poor have no access to land, no access to education and state protection for economic freedom and emancipation.
For this reason, I used to advice one Colleague of mine in Botswana who was a former ANC Umkonto we Sizwe Cadre that; I truly belief ANC has failed the African population that suffered the most brunt of the apartheid regime by not affording the people of darker skin tone (predominantly black) free education more especially at University level. How does ANC really seek to address 310 years of apartheid without university education amongst the most victims of apartheid....
We used to quarrel to a point of not talking to each other, thanks God my brother with his ex-liberation experience we still reconciled and shook hands the following day, we just had to accept we do not agree on how ANC handled education for victims of apartheid...
Sure, there is no liberation until access to land and equal enjoyment of the wealth of South Africa by the majority populations.
By the way, the problem of equal access to the wealth of African economies is not only a South African problem, because here in Botswana, we own land but are still poor even with a population of less than 2.5million. Rich as Botswana is, we remain the most income skewed nation where the rich have it all and the majority live from hand to mouth with one of the highest unemployed and underpaid employees...
The challenge though different across the African continent, we need robust wealth transfer economic mechanisms to ensure the greater population participate and enjoy post colonial Africa which for the time until now; has remained illusive and a dream most current African governments have no genuine commitment to resolve....
The seminar was frank and eye openning...
@@moleferantsudu1966 i
I'm a 24-year old Afrikan (SOUTH AFRICAN) & I am truly humbled and grateful for the solidarity many IRISH nationals & organisations have maintained with our people (& many others across the globe).
We need another one of these !! It woke a lot of people up and it also addressed a lot of which people had fears about .
Give JuJu that presidency IMMEDIATELY
I am really enjoying the discussion which touches on some aspects of the Keynedian model of supply and demand in the economy.
@@banimayeng3849❤❤`
Both speakers are saying almost the same thing it seems constitusltion and presidential term limit along with a few other changes that will keep the benefits in the country's coffers.
Any wellthinking person can finish that statement.
i dont care whatever anybody saids about Malema - He is Great. People seem to forget hes not even 40 yet, and still he is more wise and intelligent than many older african leaders i know. No matter what i have a strong believe he will be South African president someday. I think he has abigger fan base out side of South africa than in south africa. You have no idea how we Ghanaians love him
Great failure yes
Julius Malema is great to someone with a low mentality
Everytime i have doubts about what Malema stands for, i just come back to this debate and everything is put in place 👌🏿👌🏿, mr Malema, the people's champion..
Thanks you Mr. Phillimon
8😅😅pppp LL
I’m Jamaican and I’m so happy and proud of my family in Africa that fact aJMfor President of the united Africa 🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿👍🏿✌️✌️✌️✌️
Good to note that our fellow Africans in diaspora are indeed monitoring what is cooking in this Continent of ours. Let's hold 👐 and realise our United Africa as dreamed by our fallen Heroes who are not at peace ✌ till date due to corrupt leaders who are selling the continent to their so called friends in arms. Its the struggle we need to wage so far. Aluta Continua 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This man is BRAVE. When the camera spanned the audience in attendance, I was legit afraid for him. As a Canadian and member of the African diaspora, who randomly landed on this video, I learned so much! Thank you so much to Julius Malema.
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Amen good for him God bless him
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He has good intentions but his arrogance 😢
Julius, you are leadership worth and not a liability. Your brilliant understanding of issues should continue to be people uniting.
A excellent debate by both speakers. I must say that Mr Malema put his views across in a brilliant manner and as he says some issues are not always comfortable but need to be addressed. An economic Codesa is a very good idea and we can only hope that this becomes a reality. The majority of South Africans must become an integral part of the economy for this country to progress.
Totally agree
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I agree
SOE's are failing miserably. COVID Funds looted. Your friend Malema openly threatens whites. You dreaming!
I never thought Mr Malema so articulated and clearer in his logical and justifiable argument. We need such leadership in our era.
Yes in Zimbabwe
South Africans are blessed to have you Mr Malema. J. I wish I had the power to vote for you. From Zambia
After seven years is my first time sitting and listening to this debate ....from today am ready to be a member of EFF
Me too brother
Yea, SA and African people worldwide need brothers like Malema not afraid to tell these devils the truth and hold them accountable for their atrocities and wickedness around the globe.
That's the Gospel truth, nothing else
Excellent debating Julius. That was very good. Fully packed with facts that all well meaning South Africans black or white should support to win the battle against economic apartheid in South Africa.
I salute Malema for his informing speech and well-conducted arguments. . I agree with Malema that the natural resources should be in the hands of the state rather than belonging to companies established by Cecil Rhodes and financed by the Rothschilds - and the wealth is still exported to English and American companies. The lands holding our natural resources such as gold, diamonds platinum uranium etc. were sold to these multi-billion companies was sold to them initially by local chiefs who did not know about the wealth beneath their land. could be reclaimed by the South African government - not the farms - as Malema makes people understand to 'take over' by any African who claims it by means of force. One can just look what happens in Zimbabwe to understand that farming is a hard job and needed the skills of experienced farmers who keep food at our tables. Mandela must be wise enough to look at the history of communism that did not work for the people living in Cuba or any other previous communistic countries/.If Mandela would use his negotiating be able to speak in parliaments about enforced skill education for our youth; an education that makes young South Africans independent of grants, due to decent self-sustaining salaries as an exchange for their professional crafts. The people stayed poor in these communistic countries because skill education was not part of their leader's agenda. and only their leaders lived and still live like capitalists. Is Mandela aware that Bankers lend fictional money and live off the interests they negotiate with any lone securing a loan? That makes gold - as a national resource redundant. Mandela would we wise to address this issue in parliament. We can not eat money - but we can buy food if we have an effective farming community and a population educated in the building industry to lower the employment of unskilled labour who still live below the poverty line. We need more skilled politicians and ministers in each category who are totally familiar with their allocated job. and not individuals who become ministers because they are friends of the ANC core. We need a government who know the meaning to govern is to work every day for the well of the population. One can not fight for peace it is a contradiction in itself. The way forward is to work together towards a peaceful society by means of educating the population!!!
I agree with you Maria Jensen, except that for the land, the example of Zimbabwe is a bad example. Yes, the expropriation of the lands will generate the ambargo of the western countries because it is them who take the advantage of the exploitation of the South African land. Africa in general remains the hungry continent yet you have big farmers. They do agriculture to feed Europe. It is time to review all this, Zimbabwe serves as a case study.
Maria Jensen You claim to have heard Mr Malema,but you have not,or if have,you are in denial of the fact that land has to be returned. You'll simply want us to acquire those skills/qualifications you talk about so that we can still perpetuate enriching your kind,the minority in possession of the land very land we work on,to further you all's wealth. Some of you just "don't want to understand this concept,yet some,like you,claim to,haha!"
The thing here is you'll hate the thought of seein yourselves livin avarage lives like we have been,after livin lavish for as long as you can remember.
Indeed,greed is you all's nature,& you just have to live with that. I do not believe there's/are any other ways this concept should be further explained to anyone who has viewed this video,& to those that were physically present at that ceremony. A very little hint can reveal a person's character as they try to camouflage under even "speech," like in your case. Believe me,from a black person's perspective,you are not genuinely a good person,just in case you somehow convince yourself of that.
Bravo Maria... I could not pass by your comment without congratulating you on your fine words. Most whites will hate you for them... Stay strong knowing you speak for a bigger picture than self interest!
you will quickly find these fakes are not motivated by inequality but by resentment and greed and youre all headed for a fuckin catastrophe.. he reminds me of american democrats who dupe the poor into believing mass immigration is good when all the math and facts show that without a doubt it hurts the very communities voting for those shitbags... oh well not my fuckin problem till they make it my problem and our safes are full of guns ... lol fuck em
Absolutly agreed with you Maria
An African woman stood up and challenged an African on matters land, claiming a fellow African had no right to speak about land? I am Kenyan, but I can talk about South African land repossession, coz this is in my blood, wat she talking about?
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Sorry to say this but she sounded illiterate by thinking that africans and khoisans which are africans are different from one another lol. But this is what apartheid did it made black people think their somehow different from one another.
What are YOU talking about?
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And Black nationalism made _YOU_ think that all Black people are the same.
You have to be supremely ignorant or so charmed by pan-Africanism that you think that all Africans are the same.
You clearly don't know Africa.
@@lu881 This has nothing to do with that!! She is saying that the Bantu clan have no land in SA that is stupid and Ludacris!! My mom is Khoisan and my father is part of the Bantu clan. She can't tell me nothing about land when she only has one perspective. How the truck can she say the Bantu have no right to claim land when they covered the northern part of South Africa and the Khoi only covered the southern part??
The demand of land is growing...7 years ago you said this and the results are showing. We have to work 10 times just to get a piece of land that others got for free, it's very sad.
Mr Julius Malema would like to meet you and discuss a business opportunity for everyone. We need to stand together and everyone will be a winner
"WE ARE MADE TO FEEL WE DO NOT BELONG HERE! IN CAPE TOWN... IN OUR OW COUNTRY" - CiC J. Malema
If life can produce people like Malema ,the world will be a better place to live❤
Malema is the only African leader that is making sense! He has a true vision for the continent. Viva EFF! Viva!
Malema's growth is amazing. looking at his old videos is testament to this fact. He learns and is able to adjust his views through engagements like this. A leader has to be able to grow and learn
grow and inspire....giving people hope and dreams to dream big
Mr Malema j you are special keep the spirit burning we are with .
Again, I go to bed in peace knowing that we have Malema in South Africa. I have never been so ready for elections!!!!
Why don't South Africans vote Julius in for President OmyGod! He is the most fearless Politician in the world .I love this Guy!
we need to stand together Government has land
U love Malema so much u comment in all of his speeches.
On who's soil must you stood together???
If we can we can have this type of conversation all over south africa 🇿🇦 it can build us in big ways keep up
JULIUS MALEMA TO THE WORLD
Mr J Malema loads of respect for you. And the care you show for your country, and it’s people the most important assets” our land was stolen and we want it back without any apology “ I have so much respect for Mr J Malema
What? The guy is confused, calling for no borders in the African continent. SAfricans are struggling already with illegal immigrants and he's encouraging them to find creative ways of entering the country and you know what? The poorest of the poor will suffer due to overburdened health care system and other state resources, easy for ppl like Julius to fly to developed countries and seek medical attention for example. Malema just enjoy chaos and interjecting.
@@yoliswababa313 Hi Yoliswa, you mean SA Citizens are suffering because of general works jobs competition by foreign nationals, you got to be not serious. Here we talking economic drivers not money to buy a grocery pack and it's finished. This notion of economic opportunities stolen by foreign nationals is very shallow. In fact no job would be lost if SA government made sure that jobs are permanent through regulatory framework for private sector. In fact most jobs that have been taken by foreign nationals are where SA citizens drink at work and poorly perform, where private sector take advantage of foreign nationals accepting low wages and all those are temporary jobs by the way. Regulatory framework can take care of this very easily. SA has unions that protect workers at the expense of efficiency and profits. Therefore companies opt for temporary jobs where workers don't have rights.
Let's talk land ownership for manufacturing, agriculture for generating income and not being employed. Currently the beneficiaries of solar and wind power generation is farmers who own vast land in strategic positions.
This was 7 years ago but it sounds like yesterday. One thing I like about Malema is his consistency and passion for Africa and our people.
Mr. Malema is the brother I never had. He has a messianic leadership skill displayed in his talks. He made his attitude take a higher altitude and created a higher plane for the EFF. Should Africa get United today, I will always vote Malema to lead until he retires voluntarily from active politics. There is hope for Africa. Long live Malema! Long live EFF!
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I am a doctor and econometrician from Ghana.
I also listened to the speech Mr Malema made in the Oxford Union and I concluded that contrary to the impression that has been portrayed of him he is actually very intelligent and addresses issues that are a concern to all South Africans which the govt of the ANC has neglected for a long time he is definitely the voice of the oppressed, oppressed by their own, because they forgot that it was the people that put them in power in the first place. Corruption in South African govt has reached embarrassing levels. Greetings from the United Kingdom
They will tell to see what they want. Thanks to videos like these we make up our own minds. Mr Malema is Shap 🧠
So mbmnn
There is potential in Julius which will only be compromised by him being rude to elders.
Should he learn to drive the elders in parliament towards the right direction,with respect, he will garner more support.
He is getting matured.
Very interesting dialogue, we need many more to achieve our potential as a country.
Eish the Khoisan sister ....l am ashamed of her🤣😂🤣😪
Ashamed of the original owners of the land...
@@piethermanus8777 No, ashamed that she has been stripped bare her dignity she doesn't even know the colour of her skin.
I am here February 2020 to listen to Mr J Malema have you ever heard of another black South Africa 🇿🇦 speaking with such clarity?Mr J Malema is just seeing things in high definition, he is on POiNT..Mr Malema is so calm and speak with clarity.One can’t help but respect Mr J Malema
Vusi Thembekwayo is as Good.
Trevor Noah is not bad either ...
Tundu Antipas Mughwai Lissu is of the same calibre
There is no us and them... That one was hit on spot... She truly understood. Viva JuJu... Im EFF from Namibia
Indeed there is and us and then. As Melema rightly said you can not pretend their is an “US” when the majority own the means of production.
Malena I Dr Mela is of African descent and a Nigerian in particular but the most interesting thing is that you inspire me.
Strong up King JULIUS MALEMA, I saw this wonderful debate and almost turn my back on it because it was such a long time ago, King I did not know that you was spitting this magnitude of fire that long, King you was on point a billion percent, Even those few people that i taught was Black until they open up their mouths, then i realize that they're white, King, you did not drop a single catch, You catch them all perfectly and dispenses them perfectly, Stay strong up King, Your debating opposition was more Blacker than those seems to be Black that poses their questions to you are, Stay strong up King, We're getting there
This was not a debate, this was the Julius Malema Show and the other guy was his side kick.
Sunter was not debating just agreeing with everything Malema said
+Lukhanyiso Bavuma Did you know Julius Malema once won R1000 as a debate prize in High School?
Fhumulani Mabaso i dont think he got passed grade 2
he actually has a BA Degree.
Caden Bonner Jealous! 💩🔥🤮👹👺👿
Aubrey De Bliquy the blacks will Jill you, you traitor
Yeah, communism is great in theory. Lets give all to the state! Great idea, SAA, SABC, ESKOM etc etc. He he he
I never thought the day would come when JM would make sense to me. Respect ✊🏼
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He does make sense sense sometimes
Ey my man
@@khaladimontja1637 All the time
@@khaladimontja1637 all the time man
Very courageous and motivator always Mr Malema
Mr Malema it was not a disaster taking our land in Zimbabwe. The British government renegade on the Lancaster House agreement where the were supposed to pay for the land to be redistributed to landless blacks. We are happy today in Zimbabwe for having taken this decision to take back our land. We have both young and old Zimbabweans who this season have produced tonnages of grain never achieved before i.e pre-indepedemts and after independence.
"the ability to talk to those that disagree with us" by Julius Malema. Very powerful words.
@graham yeah
Personally, I can see Mr. Malema becoming a great leader assuming the popularity of the late Madiba.
And the next sentence he says kill the boer
@@kolobedakana4402 o liewe vader
@@daughterofelohim173 that's even better
There is so much truth in all this from Malema
I want to listen to this debate everyday and even my kids have to because the points that are being raised are very valid between the two debators
Malema for president
Great to have you Mr Malema.. God bless you.
God bless the people of South Africa.
I had a privilege to watch Julius Malema Q&A Oxford Union I suggest that the upcoming leadership do the same, its brilliant address by young African leader as Clem Sunter stated. Lets take politics aside with Malema we have a best leader...
Is he going to become president?
Michael Makgoba the Oxford speech was just awesome
I see some bought and paid for xkoisian sister she's still very lost and in her slumber 🤔😏
She doesn't even know how steak speak the Khoisan lingo, this is the question she had before the debate even started. And I bet on her ID she is not khoisan, it only suits her now to get her stupid point across...
She forced by racist to say that
@@African1313 South Africans have race on their ID? you guys have a long way ,you need to stooop making race run your daily lives first . Take notes from UK etc. Someone doesn't even know my race until they ask or see me in the flesh
I really enjoyed this discussion...very important ideas were shared. I was however disappointed with the xhosa lady that raised issues on the khoisans only having the authority to talk about land issues in this country. The apartheid divide and rule system is still much affecting her. By now l thought all black people would have seen that through unity amongst ourselves, only can we progress as a race. You don't see white people fight amongst each other because one's ancestors come from Europe or America. Wake up Black Child.
Malema is a very unique person. His reasoning resonate outside SA.
Absolutely true
These are the kinds of debates we need to take the country foward! The economic codesa will remain a dream because our leaders are not genuinely interested in improving the quality of life for an avarage citizen!
Wooow..I love this motion! MALEMA YOU ARE THE REAL MAN OF THE HOUR! YOU SHOULD JOIN WITH PROF LUMUMBA, THE PRESIDENT OF MADAGASCAR who has allowed COVID tea in Madagascar AND PRESIDENT MAGUFULI of Tanzania to form AFRICA FOR AFRICAN FIRST! to DESIGN new policies for AFRICA especially AFRICA HEALTH ORGANISATION a body to make decisions about medicine in Africa, AFRICA ECONOMIC ORGANISATION which should unite all African countries and they should reinforce and develop economic projects within Africa..and should limit debt to be within Africa countries rather than outside Africa debt. We want full freedom..not partial freedom. Hey and MALEMA you were right about the CCP in China..we can see it's effectiveness now in 2020.If Gadafi was alive today..he would be part of this panel that am naming..but there should be a GADAFI somewhere..to take on..and progress his legacy!! and I would like to be part of the team as African Diaspora living in Europe who is educated and has experience living in Europe and has identified loopholes.
Mr Malema I appreciate your patience for responding to questions when they should be giving you answers
You deserve to be the owner of a dealership! Well done in all your wonderful achievements!
The black woman who standup against julius is so ignorance beyond measure . she makes it sound as though she is different than other black . there is only white and black so who is she . is she a different black i never heard of . if she was my wife or mother i would be so ashamed of her . Do you see how the white clap at what she said . Any thing that would put blacks against black would be well come for these white people . julius answer her well . He killed it at its root. The white know what julius said was spot on .
She is not Bantu you stupid fuck
She is just stupid she like it control by white people
@@truplayez513, Africans as a group have experienced oppression and genocide so solutions we seek are for the group as a whole. simply put Europe conspired as a group to colonize Africa, so a solution would be Africans as a group to free themselves from that oppression.
@@nhlanhlangidi1400 It can be said louder but never clearer than that!! You just nailed it.
In America blacks had to come to the realization that it was not only the Europeans slavers took us away from Africa but that it may have also been done by the hands of some black Africans and Arabs who sold us to the Europeans, but that is not important to any of us anymore. we shouldn't agree with what the black lady said because none of what has taken place in the past matters when it comes blacks and Africans coming together at the end of the day if African can be United for the good of all of it's black people and we can all Stand Together holding hands as one nation it matters not what tribe you came from but that we are one people United