"No one talks to my Jungkook like that." Exactly. When that other show took place with the same host, ARMY was still fuming...and it was years later. He was just a little baby offering hamburgers and sprite. How could anyone look at that face and be that mean?!!!
That’s like the worst thing. He was there by himself, shy like he is and they treated him like that. I remember the video when he was showing X with his arms asking the viewers not to vote for him. I’m heartbroken
RM is the type to really listen to criticism. He doesn't listen to nonsense noise but if he thinks the criticism can make him better, he'll work on it. The boys don't have a big ego because they simply are trying to become better.
Plus they are always there to keep each other grounded: They would never let any of each other get a big head that can always rain each other in because they have seen the absolute worst and best of each other and will not hesitate to poke fun, drag out the pictures, or rehash a brutally embarrassing moment.
War of Hormone is the song they called misogynistic and it is definitely not, at all. Other entertainment companies are known to pay people to spread hate about groups that they see as competition.
Money talks. In the beginning Big Hit didn’t have any clout/money so BTS was not given any notice by the mainstream media. They had to circumvent them in order to get their music out. They used platforms like SoundCloud and RUclips. BTS became more popular outside of Korea because of this. As they grew in popularity, they did not need the mainstream media. That caused the Korean media to avoid publishing any of their achievements. As Big Hit grew financially, they created their own platforms to promote their artists. So, the Korean media are still angry and won’t give them much notice.
Also that is why RM mentioned how they don’t need PROOF because ARMY are PROOF. He said this during one of his speeches on Day 1 or Day 2 at the Vegas concert and now look what we’ll have next… their comeback album releasing in June named PROOF. I am so proud and will always support BTS and ARMY. BORAHAE 💜
@@what-a-marvelous-tune and all of the groups under hybe will succeed without needing to use the traditional system. This will be a big blow to the machine.
Someone in the cmmnts said it was only “toxic fans” who did this to BTS You are wrong, there was clear help from the companies of this group, and idols openly looked down on BTS while they practices in the washrooms as they were from a co without power. A certail grp i wont name made controversial speeches towards BTS, they attacked BTS through their rap, members of a grp and their siblings were even involved how do you say its not with their knowledge lol Btw a big company even tried to buy BTS from bangpd (a common tactic used by big co when smaller grps tend to over shadow their grps, they will buy the artist and give them nothing and not release music thereby ruining them)
Noone talks to my Jungkook like that….yes exactly! That makes me so angry & sad for him every time I see it. First of all he was a teenager at the time….a baby & those were grown men talking to him like that. Second he literally has the kindest & purest heart how could anyone be rude to him. BTS continuously amazes me with how much kindness, positivity & grace they show to everyone even those that don’t deserve their kindness.
The clip of him trying not to tear up and forcing a smile on his face still hurts me. Imagine being a veteran host in the industry and still being insecure and immature enough to tear down a teenager who only wanted to bring you food. Younger BTS was more mature than any of their haters.
@@alexis.george A big YES to both comments. I am continually impressed by their maturity & patience. 👏 I am not a confrontational person at all but instances like this & the ones with various so-called 'rappers' trying to disrespect & bait RM & Yoongi bring out a different side of me. 😤
Yes! They are without question more mature than any of their haters. When that host apologized in the later show & JK hugged him & forgave him I initially thought that guy doesn’t deserve his forgiveness or hug. But then I thought you know I’m happy for JK that he can forgive that guy. I’m happy that he has not let people like that guy change who he is. As popular as he as become & as much criticism & judgement he has received over the years the fact that he has been able to stay true to himself & still have his kind & pure heart says so much about him. I think the tight relationship the members have with each other helps them be able to stay true to themselves regardless of how others treat them because they can lean on each other. I’m happy they have each other & that they haven’t let the hate they’ve received change who they are. It truly is inspiring to me. I often use the word grace to describe BTS because I feel like it fits them so perfectly. I feel like grace is one of the most difficult qualities to have. Their ability to show compassion, kindness and love to someone even if they might not appreciate it, or return the favor or deserve it….it is truly inspiring to me & makes me want to try to be more like them in my life.
As a chinese person who was born in america, the german radio host situation really hurt me. It was at the height of asian hate here, even in san francisco and BTS being sworn out on a MAINSTREAM public funded I believe radio station by a person who has a reach that can influence the public.. it really enraged me. Imagine all those asian kids in school in germany who were already going through enough during covid and being blamed for a virus they didnt cause... and this radio host spewing this hate calling it a joke we couldnt take. I took the petition and sent it out to my company.. one of the largest in our field in california (tech) and got people to sign. the host wazs eventually taken off the main show.. but I honestly dont think he realizes his actual wrong doing and harm. I stan BTS not because they are asian and represent me , but because they represent being against prejudice as a whole and happen to face the same shit I face for being Asian or other.
I am sorry to hear that. Also the garbage pal kids illustrations are highly insensitive due to the hate crime towards Asians being at all time high during that period due to C19…
So only as an "update" on the situation with the German radio host: The radio station got slammed pretty badly in the German public for their non-apology. The host never went back on air and left two months later. He now has a podcast - I believe.
I know BTS has a big fanbase in China but the other fandoms(sm stans) claims that BTS isn’t popular in China. I mean what? Chinese Armys recently celebrated BTS’s las vegas concert achievements,Grammy achievements in America, they are big big. I know BTS has biggg fanbase in China
@@mariekereichmann6293 I honestly wish he was forced to do educational programs for the public as his punishment so he would be less ignorant. That way he’d at least have a chance of understanding. But I’ll accept that result anyway. Better than no consequence.
During this time period, there were three large music companies (dubbed the big 3) that were responsible for the majority of successful K-pop groups. The fact that BTS wasn’t from one of these larger companies and was still finding success threatened these larger companies. That’s one of the reasons why they saw so much hatred. People genuinely could not believe that BTS was finding success coming from such a small company. And the more successful they became, the more angry anti fans became. And today, big hit brings in ten times the revenue of those “big three” companies combined. It’s why we say that karma is an army.
The reason why bts had little news reports (even when they were nominated for a grammy) was because these big companies paid media, they had control about everything during that time, they still have but they can't touch bts anymore, at least not like they used to.
@@sansan4420 it really wouldn’t surprise me if that was the case. With the money and influence they had at the time, having fans do smear campaigns for them would make sense but I can only speculate
@@aixa6529 it’s crazy to think how far bts have come when they had so many companies and people trying to suppress them and their message. I think that’s why a lot of people have such a hard time believing the bond between army and bts, bts truly would not be where they are today without army and similarly army would not be where they are today without bts. That kind of relationship is so unique and so inspiring, no wonder these companies keep trying all they can to keep bts down
@@sansan4420 yes i heard that too. they are even paying reactors on youtube to react on their artist new song. BP and Stayz i just some of them. their label saw how much success BTS got from reactors so they are now trying to do the same.
The misogyny claim was related to mistranslated lyrics "Girls are like a maths equation we must solve" became "Girls are like a maths equation - we just do 'em" .. the song 'war of hormone' was a fun take on the way hormones make young boys go crazy. As a woman I can tell you it was in no way offensive ... it's a cute and funny song... and totally accurate! Also, With your background I highly recommend the documentary Rise of Bangtan to you - shows how the industry works and the guys journey from predebut to now. I think you would love it, and we'd be happy to watch it with you. unfortunately this video had to be made so other people understand why we are so protective of BTS and BTS so protective of ARMY.. as Celeste says - we grow and learn from hardships and have become more cognizant of ourselves because of them.. mind you this really was only the tip of the ice berg of hatred BTS and ARMY have received, and we know the hatred won't stop (Haters gonna hate) - but that's OK it makes us and our bond even stronger cause "we never walk alone" (LOL.. we have a saying Karma is an ARMY... an army that is now 60+M strong).... .... it is unbelievable just how dumb and stupid some people can be and how much time and effort they spend in hating on others online. Sad thing is all ARMY has ever wanted was to be left alone to enjoy BTS music - we don't care if you don't like them - just stop hating on them and us ... just leave us alone. also know that there are people who pretend to be army and have been attacking reactors to turn them off the band. The saddest thing to note is that most of this happened to the boys when they were still minors themselves (ages JungKook 15yo to Jin 20yo when they debuted).... No other group has ever had such intense negative scrutiny placed on everything they do - the people behind it mostly are the other agencies and the networks. They needed for BTS to fail as BTS proves that you don't need the 'system' to be successful. They were being attacked by pillars of the media world and shunned at every turn - just like what is happening with them in the west now. Fans wars were set up and agitated by the agencies. Also, PD Bang was offered millions for BTS - he could have sold them during that first year and they would have been shelved by whoever bought them. But PD Bang started BigHit because he wanted to prove you could support your artists and be successful. He knew what would happen if he sold them, and he knew the system was wrong. The fact that not only have they succeeded, but have remained such wonderul humble people is a testament to themselves. Hope you have a Wonderful Day... greetings from Australia.💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Yes I agree 100%.... And be always aware of the usurpers pretending to be ARMY , they often make hurtful comments and lies in order to depict the real ARMY as toxic. .. And you'll have some saying their favs also goes through hardships to demean what BTS faced.. Yes everyone worked hard but NO ONE faced what BTS faced at the same level (Petition under the blue house, multiples death threats, no waiting rooms, extreme racism, hashtag trended worldwide, multiple false accuzations...)
Honestly the word 해 can have double meanings. *하다-해-hae which they used, means 'to do.' Wouldn't call it a mistranslation but I can say it depends on the translator's conception. Experienced translators would use 'solve' though. I still don't see the problem with the song either way.
The crazy thing about it is that by looking at them, you'd never know everything they've been through. They aren't constantly bitter towards the world but instead choose to put out positive energy. They've remained humble and genuine people and I am so proud of them 💜.
I like it how you didn’t dramatize your thumbnail just to catch viewers attention and watch you guys. I have watched all your BTS reaction videos and I love and respect your views so raw and honest.
The Japan controversy is deeper than u think and was one of the scariest times of being an ARMY. If yall want to know more about it, you should try reading up on the White Paper Project.
@@JohnLee-db9zt Ok let me give you the gist of it. So kpoppies and two specific fandoms that have actual target groups with thousands of members and were also behind the 2016 comeback sabotage and a later incident as well in 2020 carried out their smear campaign and as core members of the fandoms it is believed they execute the orders of medium 3 companies they belong into they took advantage of the situation in Japan to try and destroy BTS's career. And believe me it was a hellish situation back then I often wonder how we were able to get through it. It was later that was revealed that this along with the many attacks they got back then brought BTS to the brink of disbanding the hate and attacks were unbearable. Now back to the situation. Those fans took advantage of the situation with Japan contacted Journalists who later revealed they were their sources and gave them a picture of Jimin from 4 years ago which they dug up to stir controversy about that t-shirt which had be worn by many idols and citizens as it was a common t-shirt. And then supported Nazis and extremists in Japan to even life threatening situations for both BTS and Japanese Army. Army's at that time even got physical and verbal attacks. And when they saw that they failed they fabricated a picture from Seo Taiji's concert that BTS was part of and presented it as a swastika symbol when it was actually a symbol of the school system in Korea and nothing to do with it. They again failed because Seo Taiji himself cleared the situation. Imagine Seo Taiji legend himself had to intervene to stop their psychotic behavior. I don't even want to remember that period since then I have fear whenever anything controversial comes about BTS because we are unable to stop these target groups of other psychotic fandoms.
This quick overview scratches the surface, if u can imagine the extent that BTS & ARMY went through with each and every hardship event. For example, the German DJ incident happened over the course of months whereby he accused a protective ARMY of being overzealous teenage girls. The blood boils. Particularly when these people persistently attack 7 of the nicest guys in the industry. And yes, these things are happening to them to this day.
8:05 I'm not sure if you've seen it already but the army-made docu series The Rise of Bangtan can give you a view on how it goes with the kpop industry, and would definitely clarify things you're curious about since it's an excellent in depth analogy of BTS history which entails every detail that goes with it especially the industry they came from. I do hope you can check it out if you haven't already. 18:28 I think the problem lies on the idol groups' company rather than the idols themselves. Most of them are friends but the company can do everything in its power to sabotage groups that they feel is a threat to their artists. They do media play, and can control music shows, tv stations and social media sites to sabotage other groups, esp the companies belonging to the Big 3 of the kpop industry. They have all the means and clout.
Yes, it’s that competitive. The K-Pop world depends a great deal on TV appearances and fan-voted awards on those shows to build the popularity of their groups. There are the “Big 3” companies that have lots of influence on getting their groups on shows. The companies (covertly) and organized fans really do try to suppress their competition by disreputable means.
to the point where those big 3 companies are willing to buy out groups from smaller companies and then run them to the ground and shut them down just because they're getting remotely popular and starting to threaten the big company groups' positions. it happened to a group called infinite and it almost happened to bts, however bighit ultimately refused to sell them out.
It's hard to explain what the kpop culture was like in the early 2010 era. It has come to change so much. Yes, fans were more aggressive and toxic wars would happen over social media. I suggest watching The Rise Of Bangtan videos. They do a great job of following the journey of BTS while also showing and explaining the kpop culture. It shows how the world of kpop works and what made BTS so different. I enjoyed the reaction! Can't wait for more!
4:45 oh! great point bringing up the beatles. I remember doing some research and looking up how the beatles were received when they first popped up and there were quite a few scathing articles about the beatles when they first came out, saying they were nothing special and only women liked them for their looks. And yet, look at how a lot of people worship them now, men or women or etc. i feel that this is similar to the treatment towards bts. they were looked down on so much for their looks and for having so many "crazy" female fans a few years ago and so many other things. but when I just went to the bts concert in vegas recently, tae asked all the ladies to cheer and then afterwards asked all the gentlemen to cheer. a few years ago, you may not have heard many men, but woooowwwww so many men were cheering at the las vegas concert and i'm so happy to see the change. bts' music is meant to be enjoyed by all and it brings me great joy to see more open minded people finally coming to join in listening to bts' message and music.
I'm a Mom, with a teen who's in senior high. I honestly want my son to grow up like these young men: responsible, talented, respectful. I can't thank you enough for giving BTS a chance on your channel. They are great role models, with great messages through their songs.
3:32 According to Kim Young Dae, a well known music critic in South Korea, these industry people hated the fact that BTS succeeded organically on their own, without their help. So they're doing everything to drag them down. Plus the fact that a lot of big entertainment companies invested and have connections in the media so they can pretty much destroy bts with their media play. These companies think that BTS is blocking their artists' success. So everyone's ganging up on them. I really hope you can watch The Rise of Bangtan
It's difficult to really convey just how bad all this was, though Celeste does a good job overall. The amount of hate, defamation, libel, threats, harassment, & mistreatment of Tannies is indescribable during these years. The hate got to such a fever pitch that BigHit (now called Hybe) released that statement about pursuing legal action against perpetrators of these crimes against BTS (the laws regarding online harassment are much stricter in Korea & you can press charges much easier for it than here). Ever since, Hybe has been routinely pressing charges (in the hundreds now) against BTS harassers, & in 2016 Hybe won the court case against them involving the blackmailing of an employee & investigation into their promotion tactics & the accusations of sajaegi, all of which were ruled in favor of Hybe proving their innocence. THAT'S how bad it got for BTS & Hybe - to the point of needing to take legal action, & having to prove their innocence in court. The attacks were a constant barrage. I lived these times alongside BTS & honestly, myself along with the majority of veteran ARMY were traumatized repeatedly by all the crap we & BTS were subjected to. It's one of a myriad of reasons why we're so protective of them & get defensive if we sense disrespect & hate towards them.
Thank you for being there for our boys before the rest of us found them. I'm so grateful to know they had such loyal people holding them up when they were going through so much. Borahae!!💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Im 2016 army and i cry a lot during those time, the hate, the mistreatment. Among army we always said this that time : "we are not a big fandom, we have to pull together and help bts" i remember we do all the scan code, flyers, sending flowers to every local station. Army back then did everything in our power to help bts. It's hard, while defending bts we promote them and so BTS too, they work hard along army. Im so happy right now that bts and army had passed that stage.
I love watch you two discover BTS, I will subscribe. I was so clueless in 2020, I even lived in Korea and iddnt care for their music cuz I didnt bother to understand their lyrics. Nov 2020 they saved my life. I have major depressive disorder and PTSD due to my bfs suicide years ago. I never go thelp. I was waiting on a hotline to pick up.. but no one was picking up and I was ready to end it. Im a real person. Im 30. I live in san francisco. I work in a large company and am successful, but I never got help. And out of the corner of my eye I saw their vidoe STAY GOLD. I didnt understand what they were saying because it was in japanese, but I understood the message, the emotion, the words stay gold. I broke down, and went down the rabbit hole of their journey and videos. I learned that I was worth feeling alive, that I was worth living. I started going to therapy because of BTS, and two promotions later here I am.
RM felt so much stress, anxiety and guilt when that WOH controversy happened. On the positive side, I do believe he learned from that incident to be extra cautious about everything he says (unfortunately it's necessary due to how much people scrutinize everything BTS members do) and started to read even more sociopolitical books, which has enriched his knowledge and understanding of various subjects. It was really sad to see though, how much it affected his self esteem. Plus, WOH was a song BTS used to have a lot of fun performing. Namjoon always gets a lot of hate from media, the general audience and even fans, because people tend to make the leader responsible for any mistake. For some reason, I've always seen that people tend to project a lot onto him. Also, whenever there's a controversy in relation to any Kpop idol of another group, toxic fans tend to use Joon as an scapegoat, in order to deflect the conversation from their singer, instead of addressing the situation or making their idol accountable. It's very immature, manipulative and cowardly. They would maliciously criticize anything RM says or does, bringing back his old mistakes (and many times even lying, twisting his words, taking things out of context or spreading misinformation.) This is particularly infuriating because, out of all the young artists I know, Namjoon is certainly one of the best examples of what it means to become a more emotionally mature and intelligent person as you grow up. He constantly makes an effort to become a better person, he never makes excuses, he apologizes directly, he learns from the past, he shows when he has changed through actions/behavior (not only words), he's self aware of his shortcomings and defects, he uses his virtues and skills in practical ways. He shows respect, humility, gratefulness, admiration and empathy for others. And he does all this without lacking strength of character, critical thinking, or dignity. And he's more assertive nowadays too (when defending himself). But seriously, what else do they want from him? To save the Earth? To be perfect? No one is perfect. Side Note: I've noticed that in recent years, Jungkook has been getting an extreme amount of scrutinity too. Idk if it's because he's the youngest and has this "golden boy, good at everything" reputation... It's similar to how the public expect Disney stars or child actors to remain an unattainable ideal image forever. But the way people blow out of proportion every small incident he's involved in, it's unbelievable. For example, he was in a minor car accident (no one got injured), and the news had click-bait titles saying someone had died... You can't tell me that's not malicious. And that can take a tool on anyone. But, lately he seems to be doing pretty well ignoring hate... I'm glad. And now that they were able to do concerts again, he was so happy hehe. Side Note 2: To be honest, for me, some of the worst incidents were when they're disrespected by hosts. I still remember that time they went to a specific Korean variety show for the first time, Yoongi was really excited because he was a fan of the show, and he brought a song as a gift. And one of the hosts literally rejected his gift, even tried to refuse to listen to the track. Supposedly those guys were just "joking" but no sir, that is plainly cruel. By the way, that hamburger incident happened the very first time Jungkook was on a TV show, and those guys knew that, they knew he was still a teenager, and Kookie told them he bought them with his own money (it was his idea, to break the ice and show gratitude like "I brought you some food, please take care of me").
RM was around 19 with the weight of the company on his shoulders. Thinking that he jeopardized everything for his teammates and staff must've been traumatizing.
I've seen that it's really hard for men to get hate or being accused of wronging women when they're not trying to at all. It's a different matter, but I've seen people's lives being crumbled because of a fake accusation from a lady because usually no one ever believes the guy. The girl carries on with her life while the guy has to deal with the shame his whole life. And I say this as a woman.
@@lobaetoile8440 of course. And God Forbid if the woman files a case. In my country it is very hard to get visa for some countries or get a job if you have a criminal record.
Glad you talk about Yoongi got rejected on Weekly Idol. Not many army talk about this because its been a long time. I remember this scene clearly because at that time I was an avid fan of the show, but I wasn't an army and didn't know much about bts. Just decided to check bts episode since its their first time appearance and rookies were always funny. So i remembered watching bts episode and felt uncomfortable when Hyungdon rejected Suga's song. Suga's face clearly fell and he looked a bit disappointed. I remembered thinking, "hey, thats a bit mean..." eventhough I don't know about bts at the time. Defconn also rejected the song but he was polite about it. Hyungdon was belittling him. Now look at him. The most sought after producer in south korea. I bet Hyungdon regretted this for life and served him right.
BTS dont care if they tackle difficult subjects that are unpopular. Spring day for example. However they don't want to intentionally offend anyone, especially not women due to thoughtless lyrics. RM did not use misogynistic lyrics, however he cares about his fans, so he chose to be a lot more careful in case he ever accidentally did somehow cause hurt to armys. RM is a true inspiration and leader and his maturity and thoughtfulness shows in how hard he works 💜
I agree. RM even shared how in their Billboard Award performance that they changed the Korean work for "you" to "I" because the pronunciation of "you" in Korean sounds too much like the "N" word in English which would cause misunderstanding! BTS try very hard to be "aware".
This video is never an easy watch without being reminded of the times that were literally BAD BAD … i just started as a fan from 2016 and just wat bts and we as a fan have been through since … the level of hate was unrealistic. I would like u to do a blind reaction to bts- contribution to the music by xceleste… another one if her gem videos 💜
I don't think the hatred has ended, but increased. Jealousy from the big companies,. Then there is The Grammy's (still upset at that) who blatantly use BTS in their commercials to get viewers for ratings. The Grammy commercials(and they were constantly on every show for at least one full week in LA ) had 3 inserts of BTS per every commercial , whether it was 30 seconds or 60 second. 3 times that is at least 6 to 7 seconds which is a lot. they played the clips to get viewers to watch the program live. I counted, they did not use any other artists more than once other than BTS in every single commercial. Then they snubbed them.Disgusting
I an older American and I was introduced to K-Pop and BTS when they appeared on SNL, April 2019. I was completely blown away by their talents, skills, artistry and performances. I immediately started researching one thing which lead to researching another, and in the following order: BTS the group The individual members of BTS BTS's Discography BTS's History Big Hit Entertainment/HYBE The K-Pop Industry Other K-Pop Groups South Korean Culture South Korean History South Korean Current Events All of it has been so fascinating to learn. I have so much respect for BTS and HYBE and proudly call myself an Army.
Its not really the group who tries to sabotage other groups but its more of their own toxic fans who try to sabotage other groups to push their own fav group further
I love BTS. I think they work hard and they really make the effort to connect with their fans. I also believe that there are many artist out there who are also doing the same so I don’t think they’ve cornered the market on hardships. What I do respect is that they respond to the critics with their music and with their success. I don’t hear them bad mouthing other artists and I really respect them for the way they deal with it, even if they may be grinding their teeth about it away from us. A lot of trouble is stirred up by toxic people or toxic fans. I choose not to react. To me it’s like giving them attention. Just ignore. The awards, the records, the impact of their music and message, that’s where our focus should be. Enjoying your reactions here in the Caribbean 👋🏾
I remember another fandom of a group, from one of the most influential entertainment company at that time BIG 3, petitioning the blue house (South Korea presidential home) to investigate BTS and their company, because they couldn’t believe a group from a small company is selling more than their favourite. It was so juvenile, sinister and frankly an unbelievable move that I can’t comprehend even to this day.
This was great guys, I love to tune into what you have to say as creatives and people with experience with the music/entertaiment industries. May I suggest xCeleste's "BTS Contribution to Music" for your next docutainment, it's so insightful about their creative process and how involved they are in their music. Thank you again for your time and energy, it's a pleasure to witness your journey with BTS/ARMY. - Mae
I really don't get how jhope is untalented. He literally has every single role in the group. A dancer, rapper, vocalist, writer, composer, producer, and choreographer. Everyone is talented and might be more than him in some roles but the fact he has a skill for every single one says a lot.
I do not get it either. Being a dance leader is enough for him to be acknowledged as talented since he holds a special position in the group. Now even considering the fact that he is also part of the rap line trio. What more if we include him being actually one of the group's predominant producers, composers, and writers.
There were 3 big companies that had groups. They had control over all broadcasts, etc. BTS was from a small company, and a competitor. As BTS started getting popular, these things happened - big companies trying to belittle the small company. Also, BTS became popular outside of broadcasts - they online streaming, etc. So broadcast companies were also not happy.
PLEASE READ I think what the music critic Kim Youngdae was saying explains a lot of the hate BTS get. Watching that whole interview cleared a lot of things for me. I'll explain his words and other stuff here: Basically, there's three huge entertainment companies in South Korea: YG, JYP and SM. Those companies have had tons of artists over the decades and have basically had the monopoly over the industry. So every time they debut a new group, the power of the company allows for the group to become successful quickly. These companies have control over TV shows, variety shows, press, journalists, radio etc. So these entertainment companies and the media are basically in agreement that the companies will pay for exposure for their artists and the media will get money and clicks and views in return, right? So the companies can create their artists and force them in bad contracts and control them and make money off of them easily. Then comes along BTS. They're from BigHit, a tiny company that has one solo artist before them (different genre) (they've had a few artists before that weren't too successful and were over when BTS debuted). The whole philosophy of BigHit and its CEO Bang Shihyuk is to give the artists creative freedom with their music. The members of BTS are from all over the place and they are debuted in the kpop industry but with freedom that artists in these other kpop agencies don't have. Being from a small company, BTS doesn't have the money to be throwing at all these TV shows and other media. So they don't bother to report on BTS or share their content. And when BTS does get to appear, they're not given much respect. So BTS starts making their own content: vlogs and behind the scenes content on RUclips, their own variety show and livestreams on Vlive, close communication with fans on Twitter and other platforms, etc. And they start gaining fans around the world on these platforms. And the creative freedom they have allows for them to make meaningful music that touches people. Their debut song was literally a criticical song on the way society crushes young people. People find energy from them and they're extremely hard working with amazing dance choreos. So their fans are on a next level of loyal and connected to the artist. So, imagine the other entertainment agencies' and media companies' surprise when these people start gaining success? They're selling more and more and don't seem to be stopping. This whole system they've built where every successful artist has them to thank for is useless. BTS doesn't need the TV shows, the articles, the mediaplay. No one is able to profit from their success. None of them can say I built this group. All they can do is try to downplay any achievements BTS gets and push their own artists to try to be as successful. When BTS got their fisrst Grammy nomination, the headlines weren't "Wow BTS is the first Korean idol to be nominated a Grammy, they're on the Best Duo/Group category!" It's "BTS fails to make it to the main categories." History is being made and Koreans don't even know right away. These companies can just downplay BTS and try to copy them. Jokes on them, you can't copy the sincerity of BTS. They're built by the members, the company, and the enormous support of ARMY. Basically the same thing happens when they start getting big in the US. They don't have a US record label so they don't get the promo other artists do. Radio hosts won't play them even when there's demand so ARMYs call them and request them and send them cupcakes and do everything to get them on. Stores don't sell BTS albums so ARMYs call all these people to get BTS' albums on the shelves of US stores. ARMY isn't just fans anymore, it's a movement of people doing everything in their power to get BTS the respect and recognition they deserve. And this is happening all around the world. And still there's all these people saying racist things and belittling them, whether it be because of their race, their language, the predominantly female fanbase, "shallow lyrics" that they've never given a chance, "girly looks", "gay sexuality" that they've never spoken on. The list goes on and on. The industry is scared of someone that can make it big without the help of the industry, because that makes them insignificant. And the general public gets their information from the media, so it's hard to get to people and get them to actually listen to the music without prejudice. Even now, when they have literally been IFPI's number one best selling artist in the world for two years, they're not treated the same as their Western counterparts. They are a "phenomenon" with "insane" fans who "mass buy" their music and are "bots". Literally Billboard is changing their rules to keep BTS from topping. They removed the Top Social Artist chart, BTS has been leading it for hundreds of weeks. The Hot100 charts have recently been modified to not count literal sales of the music as much, with radio getting more importance. Guess which part BTS are more successful in? Yeah. Radio still won't play them. The same thing has been happening in Korea, where some award shows have changed their criteria to be based on judges who award quality instead of the fans' input. But guess what? BTS is still winning them. This turned out to be a long rant lol. But yeah the hate and resistance BTS gets is not just from mindless antis, even though it's them too. It's a lot of industry resistance, because BTS are the first to ever do so many of these things. So they have to do all the hard work and remain respectful even when they are ridiculed, to always be the bigger person. People literally try to make up scandals about them but there is nothing to talk about lol. They are paving the way for so many other artists that will not even see the things that have changed because if BTS. All of this is what ARMYs are trying to fight and also what helps BTS and ARMY be so close. Edit: Another comment made me want to add this 😅 What's incredibly impressive is how BTS has gone through all this and still continues to face this, but you would never know just by looking at them. They're the sweetest people, everyone in the industry and otherwise that meets them says the same thing - they're the same in real life as they are online. All this resistance from everyone else has made them that much closer to each other and just their craft and ARMYs. They really are amazing.
The song that was referred to as having "mysogynistic lyrics" was War Of Hormones. I find the song cute and funny...there are even songs with worst and explicit lyrics than that but nobody even cares or noticed but with BTS they make it a big issue. They don't sing that song anymore but the MV, their live performances and dance practices videos are still available here in yt.
Not sure if y'all caught this since you were talking over it (I'm not complaining btw) -- the 🇰🇷 government made the military postponement only available to artists who have been awarded the Order of Cultural Merit from the government. Which is extremely rare, but BTS has received it. That's why the other companies complained that the law was "unrealistic" and "unfair".
That will make the other fandoms and toxic multisians upset. I want if possible BTS to serve in military only for 1 or 2 months together as 7 members not individually
I would be upset too. That law has to be fair for all. I am an ARMY and multistan, and obviously I'm going to miss them when they go to military service, but in their country it's a duty for all men. Just because they're idols doesn't mean they shouldn't do their duty like everyone else.
@@florvillarreal9136 why couldn't they got exempted when many athlete or classic musician got exempted ? For as far as I know, BTS contribution for the nation had far exceed those who get exempted
@@selvyromberante3303 I'm not denying that they contribute a lot to the nation. But as far as I know, the law to defer military service to artists who received presidential recognition was created for them a short time ago. I read that many companies that have more or less recognized groups have a duty to comply with the service. That is why I say that this law does not apply to all citizens and it is a bit unfair. Many other idols that I love will be doing their military service this year and they can't do anything to "postpone" it. For example, Taemin is having a hard time due to her mental health and they were evaluating if he should continue the service. He, who has a long history and is loved by the nation, didn't get that recognition and I also didn't see people asking for SHINee to do military service together or their time being postponed.
18:13 So speaking as someone who has followed kpop since the 90s, there's a loooottttt of craziness tbh. And it would take too long for me to explain and go through everything in great detail. Kpop has been overly saturated with sooooooo many groups since the 1st gen (generation) or 2nd gen of kpop. In fact, during the 2nd gen of kpop, I remember the fandom wars were so violent. And anti fans actually would try to harm kpop idols like hitting them or slipping them poisoned drinks. It was horrific. And I'm sure some of that still happens now. Stalkers are definitely still a thing. Most of the craziness comes from the fans and fandom wars, but rival companies will also hire people to look like fans or journalists to sabotage rival groups. I've seen all these things hahaha. Now, I know it's not as big with the western artists, but with kpop idol groups, i compare their fans like they're football fans. You know how football fans get soooooo passionate in loving their teams that they will hate other teams and their fans to such a crazy degree? Pretty much the same things here with kpop stans lol except i have yet to see kpop stans flipping cars or causing riots because their group won or lost something lol. I think that a pretty good short video about how kpop came to be and how overly saturated it is would be DKDKTV's youtube video called "Kpop History in 20 minutes". It doesn't say EVERYTHING (like the crazy drama stuff), but it's a good general knowledge piece on kpop.
That customer call to Melon was done by another group's fan challenging the results of BTS's win. The customer service told them BTS won the end of the story, with no fraud going on. Things like this are common such as petitions sent to Korean government asking them to disband BTS. BigHit has also had to go to court to prove their album sales amongst ridiculous claims.
Exols r shitass ppl my goodness..i was not a fan that time bt the amt of shit tht they did to bts nd army..i hv no idea how armys that time survived it..props to them all for being soo strong
Today these companies conduct studies on BigHit and BTS' success hoping to replicate it, but never once give them their due. ARMYs see what they've been doing and this is why lots of us never got into other groups
This video is a very PG version of what actually goes down when it comes to BTS. It hurts even more when you actually get to know the members a bit more. They are such genuine good people. The Jk's burger incident breaks my heart because even now he has like the purest heart with no hint of malice at all. With 6 older bros around him, he tends to see just good in people. But he was a kid at that time. Imagine 3 -4 adults treating you like that. Army suffers even more. All we want some basic human respect. Like you guys could react to a BTS song and even say you hate it. as long as you're respectful, we wouldn't get offended at all.
BTS had every damn reason to give up on achieving their dreams but they didn’t. They fended off all the haters and have achieved more than they ever thought they would achieve. Through all this you think they would have gotten big headed to show just what they achieved. But they didn’t. They have remained humble throughout their bumpy journey and that’s what drew me to them. They are great humans, talented young men and the energy that has brought smiles to people around the world is truly priceless and infectious. Not only do I enjoy their work, but I admire the hard working, sensitive, caring and humble gentleman that they have become.
That "reporter" that asked the plagiarism question has made other accusatory articles that trended on naver, and he was found to be on YG's payroll 🙄 Companies (most likely SM or yg since they have the most money and power in broadcasting and korean media) absolutely do run hate campaigns towards bts, yg is especially known to participate in media play since early 2000s to make their acts seem bigger/more popular than they are
Thanks, guys for your honest reactions and sharing your thoughts! I always appreciate your professional opinions and insights to your reactions. Keep up the excellent work!
I remembered watching a video compilation that touches me the most. It was an ARMY writing a letter to a BTS member (I think that was Jin) way back 2013 when they first started saying how sorry s/he was because ARMYs aren't strong enough to protect them. And looking now, ARMYs have grown bigger and stronger and became the most feared fandom of all. I am so proud of BTS & ARMY. I wasn't there when they first started but I am glad to have found them now. Being feared isn't about people kissing our asses & give us false praises but it is all about getting the respect and shutting the mouths of those worthless haters. 💜
i remember this german host guy. he recieved a huge backlash and armys all over the world were bringing the issue about the racism towards asians, not only bts for a few weeks after that because of the increased aggressions due to the pandemic. he and his company tried to apologise a few times stating that he "wasn't intending to be offensive" (yeah calling them "little pissers" and "blasphemy" on air is not offensive at all) and "attempted to express his feeling in an exaggerated manner that hurt the feeling of bts' fans". they claimed it was just a joke and never realized that jokes can be racist too and can have drastic consequences, they also never realised that it wasn't exactly about hurting armys feelings. we never made it about our feelings. we were fighting the blatant anti-asian internalised racism. with every attempt to save his image the guy was burring himself even further, saying he can't be called racist because he uses a korean car (it was japanese but it doesn't even matter, how a car can be compared to the respect towards a nation), saying he just underestimated armys power along the way calling us "fanatical followers of a musical cash machine" that "distorted his statements" by the "currently very popular racist stick". it was a mess. a mess that perfectly shows you what kind of environment bts and army have to deal with regularly
@@jessaramos2992 I might be wrong a little bc I haven't exactly been interested in his future, but his radio show was cancelled and he took a prolonged vacation or something staying at some fancy resort wallowing in misery and complaining to every living soul how awful we are and how we ruined his life over nothing. I saw some interviews he gave about it, he didn't learn a lesson and still stands by his sick racist opinions
@@erume5776 Karmy is an ARMY and i hope he suffers from this for the rest of his life. I can’t believe there’s people out there who are shocked when there’s consequences of their actions lol. Thanks for answering !
@@jessaramos2992 all I hope for is that he will realize one day how wrong he was. life loves to teach lessons. I don't wish for his suffering, but I'd like him to feel a great shame for what he said and how he acted, that will be enough
@@erume5776 sorry let me elaborate - I don’t mean suffering literally in the sense that it causes him great distress but that he continues to, like you said, feel shame or suffer the consequences of his actions. I agree that perhaps one day he can see what he did wrong but I’ve realized that people generally don’t really change especially when ego and pride are involved …which clearly he has. It’s disappointing really.
Im gonna mark this and leave it for comments and time stamps if I need too: 1) 16:30 Ok so about anti fans, I think in comparison to the western fans and kpop fans it is very different. But people get like REALLY engaged within kpop fandoms and take their time/energy hating on other kpop groups, so I wouldn't say its like the bots in the US. Majority of them are real people and since you have so many coming from different parts of the world, its very easy to trend things that can be hateful. 2) 18:08 I've mentioned most in my other comment but (most) groups don't publicly hate one another. Companies or staff members tend to get in conflicts with one another (conflict meaning backhanded compliments or simple dissing online) and the artists can be dragged into it. Also, since the clip in question was around 2016, BTS wasn't huge but it was their uprising you could say and (back to the companies) many of them posed BTS as a threat to their top groups. Since these companies in question were relatively bigger than BigHit (BTS's company) they had more authority, ultimately making it hard for BTS to just work how they wanted. 3) 33:46 Most korean men (idols) go to the military when they reach age 30. The member you probably saw about the reference to the military was Jin, who is 30. However, due to the amount of money BTS bring into the economy it has been deemed that they're already serving their country just by bringing in millions. Many people have different opinions on it (however i am not male nor korean so i'll leave it at that) but like stated in the video, they have always stated they would go if need be. 4) 42:49 Most people never realize the depths of hate bts get on a daily and its not just like stupid trolls. Like 2016, I was absolutely distraught and hurt from a personal stand point when I saw all those comments about V's grandmother. And truthfully it goes for all kpop artists, these people barely get to even see their families and just to shit on it all when one relative passes away, must be heart wrenching.
It’s funny because Army is so strong that Bts has to intervene and be like “Don’t worry. It’s ok.” There’s a meme that accurately depicts us fighting haters and BTS is picking us up to hold us back from continuing to fight. 😄 They deserve the respect because they have worked hard for everything they’ve achieved and they’re good people who did nothing to anyone but try spread positive vibes and love.
oh you're completely right about the "misogynistic" song actually... it's called war of hormone and the lyrics are a bit cringy but theres nothing misogynistic about them, they are quite literally praising women throughout the song
The MV as well is very telling in that it is the girls choice in the end as to who she 'picks' and it is the one who treated her the 'best'. The others as well as soon as she seems to say no or walk away, they don't follow, they go back to talking to their friends or the camera. It's pretty respectful overall. Plus being an amazing bop and hello to Jimin in the red pants.
Also, BTS was allowed to go on social media and speak directly to their fans. That just was not done among kpop idols. Another thing is BTS was able to keep releasing music while groups under the other companies only released albums once in a while, if hardly at all. I mean, look at Blackpink. Despite their popularity they have very little original music to their name. It's crazy but those top companies want to control everything about their artists.
Thank you so much for watching this. They have had disrespect and hate from within and outside of the industry. US Radio blocks them at every turn with only a handful of stations willing to play their music since that is what the listeners request. If a western artist who is unknown gets a lot of requests they play it because the grass roots support tells them people want to listen to the music. When people request BTS music they are dismissed and relegated to the category of rabid teenage spammers. It is so frustrating. This 50yo ARMY is neither a teenager nor rabid. I like a wide variety of music. I LOVE BTS’s music and respect them more than any other artists I have ever had the pleasure of listening to and watching. Like RM says, Haters gonna hate. It is still sad. Even when they sell our SOFI and Allegiant stadiums they are described as “kpop boy band” or a phenomenon….instead of global icons and artists. Oh well. Peace!
no other kpop groups have struggled as much as BTS .they deserve every bit of their success.smth I wanna tell you is kpop isn't a sweet family like it seem to be. A lot of artists have shown bitterness towards BTS's success.its not just their toxic fans..
Celeste didn’t have to name names in the video bc we all know who it is. The more you react to BTS, you’ll figure it out too. The fans from one group just couldn’t let it go that BTS was doing better. And now, it’s the fans of many groups. But it all comes down to one thing…the numbers. Numbers don’t lie. BTS outsells everyone right now. Each year, army gets bigger and stronger. The reason is that BTS makes music that we can relate to, enjoy, and use to heal ourselves. No one else is doing it like BTS.
The story of bts to success is really eye opening and touching. I got to know them in October 2020 through dynamite and black swan, then i loved their music since then. After watching videos about their struggles, i respected and loved them even more. The fact that they're still thriving even more today because of how huge they're becoming despite being a 'kpop boyband' as it has so much prejudice, they still manage to break records of music legends and set/break their own records to having a big impact in music and the world outside music as a group and individually. Their story should be turned into a film/ documentary that will inspire so many or even make the people who hated them or didn't vibe with their music to respect them. They're now releasing an 'anthology album' like do fans realise how huge this is ?! They're real musician and they will share some of their hidden/unheard versions of their old songs with us💜. They're beginning a new chapter in their careers and i will be here to enjoy and support💜.
The way you caught on the strategic attacks to BTS as "boxes" is so on point. Paid for and pushed by those at the time in position of power. I'm only 16:40mins in to it and this is turning into one of my favorite reactions by far.
oh the kpop idol industry is very competitive. companies can and do stoop to that level. i think you guys would really enjoying watching the rise of bangtan - it is a fanmade doc but it is so good and so well made
I loved this video. What I find funny is that you were talking over the very spot where it was said that they would serve if / when called upon. LOL Jin is the one up for enlistment & he did say that he would serve when called. I love how ARMY has always, ALWAYS, supported BTS; had their backs. I'm sorry I didn't find them sooner. Honestly, I do not know how BTS remains so humble & kind. If only EVERYONE took their lead. A more humane group of young men will never be found. Bang PD did a wonderful job finding these young men & putting them together. They're from different walks of life, but all have a common ground in humanity, kindness, and integrity. They raise up the human race all on their own. I do not think I'd be able to "look the other way," if I had to face the hate they faced. It would more than likely change me. BTS deserve all the accolades & awards they receive, and so much more!
This is such a great documentary from xCeleste and it only covers a small part of what they have had to and continue to deal with. A good point is that we as ARMY need to understand when and who to highlight when protecting the group. Sometimes we amplify negative voices that should not be given that time as it is what they are seeking (clout chasers or those after engagement). Those in the media though, we keep those receipts and do not let people slink back after time thinking we forgot. As others have said below when BTS debuted they were not part of the Big 3 entertainment company and they were referred to as 'monster rookies' as they won the majority of rookie awards and made a lot of people notice them. This did not sit well with the Big 3 who have very close links with the TV stations and media companies in South Korea. Those attacks from supposed ARMY fans, we have long suspected were targeted campaigns from the other Entertainment companies using troll farms etc. Anytime a comeback (the term for a new album release in SK) is announced for BTS we see a rise in personal attacks, victimisation of members from 'solo' fans and other methods that try to distract from the attention of the comeback. So much so we have bingo cards we use to check off. Big Hit which is now a subsidiary under HYBE has the last laugh. When they went public on the SK Stock Exchange, the demand and value was such that they operate on the top level and the other so called Big 3 stocks are on a lower tier.
armys may sound crazy when we say there’s sociopolitical context to bts’ but as you can see it’s true 😭 i love that bts know when to speak up and when to move in silence. like when korean broadcasting slighted them, they stopped attending/preforming at their programs. it’s gotta sting considering a bts appearance bolsters views immensely, especially as they get more and more popular every year. they may take a lot on the chin but they are in no way pushovers 💜
On your question: Yes the korean market is fludded with these groups trying to make it. Around a 100 groups debut each year and only 1% gets to stick around for a couple of years. Fans of groups ban together to throw out the competition. Certain companies gave/give a helping hand in these things. Like with BTS they were competing with a group in early days so these fans want head to head against each other. But the members of both groups were and are friends. (There isn't competion anymore as they are both established now)
Rise of Bangtan is definitely something you guys should consider watching, because it answers a lot of questions. The series explains not only how BTS came to be, but also how the industry and everything surrounding Kpop works. For example: there are so many groups that debut each year that the competition gets to a point where companies try to sabotage others. BTS was an anomaly in the industry, because they didn't do it the way the industry (media, other companies, donors etc) wanted and because they knew how much potential BTS had they did everything they could to sabotage them. Not to mention toxic fans from other fandoms like EXO or Big Bang, who were responsible for 90% of the "plagiarism" and other dreadful stuff.
I explain it to my family abt there hardships as they were a band that wasnt suppose to be, because they werent from the big 3. The fix you cover they did was amazing and cold play loved it. But that German radio guy got fired bc army wasnt having it and forced the radio owners hand. This is why army is over protective over them and go hard at stations and radio and other people. I love that you guys go in and do your own research abt things or the songs. Def good ones if you havent had on a list yet is spring day, fix you cover, rm do you ( solo for him) the cypher part 1 to 4 with just rm jhope and suga.
18:00 about your question, no BTS is not the first idol group and other 'jealous wannabes' are trying to sabotage them. BTS are actually a 3rd gen idol group (1st gen from the 90s, 2nd gen include Big Bang if you've heard of them). As xCeleste said other groups are LITERALLY looking down on them because they were still starting up and came from a small company. The success and global acceptance came later, ie. they really rocketed in 2017 during their Wings album tour and first appearance in the US with BBMAs
Thank you for this reaction video. I really appreciate your wanting to know some of the history of BTS. Knowing what they have gone through (even to this day) makes their success that much sweeter. They deserve it all💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Thank you for being super attentive and open-minded and giving the boys a real shot! 💜🥺 It warms my heart to see folks like you putting in the effort to know more about them because trust me the MAJORITY of people only stereotypically view them as a shallow boyband who had their current success given to them on a golden plate. I've been an army for 6 long years and let me tell you, the stuff this video covered only scratches the surface of all the hate and atrocities that armys and bts had witnessed to date. If I had to compile all the accounts of the times people spewed hate and made racist/xenophobic comments at them, that video will go on for HOURS. The time period between late 2016-18 was the WORST. I once literally broke down and cried because of the stuff I witnessed; the sheer amount of hate was soo much that I could no longer hold my tears. The entire fandom was soo tired from trying our best to fight back, write emails after emails reporting haters to bighit and constantly protecting the boys from negative stuff because there was a shit show happening almost every other day. If you watch their "We are bulletproof part 2" MV you'll see them represent this through the animation. BTS at one point really thought a lot of armys would just grow tired of putting up and fighting back haters that they'll just decide to leave the fandom altogether but to their surprise, the majority stayed with them and the fandom only grew bigger and stronger. That's why the relationship and bond we have with BTS and vice versa is special and unlike any other celebrity-fandom relationship you'd come across. Sorry for the rant. Just thank you, for your reaction. I really hope you continue to react to them. I highly, HIGHLY recommend the fanmade documentary series on youtube called "Rise of Bangtan" There is no better series that really introduces you to them and takes you through their entire journey starting day 1.
We sport BTS not only because of the great music but also because of their character and personality. we feel their kind and pure hearts and this is the difference between them and the rest of the artists, that they are themselves and have not changed. They are wonderful.💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
To answer your question during @18:38 it's not the idol groups. Maybe in some occasions, yes, but mostly it's the company behind the other groups who would sabotage others.
They are so kind Forgive all people They have hearts as white as snow And they struggled a lot to become global they deserve better I love them so much Thank you for your love for them 💜🤗🤗
I never watched BTS's hardships before cause I knew it would break my heart. It feels really personal when someone talks bad about them. But today for the first time I took the courage to watch it. Even though I felt bad but I was also comforted by your reactions. Can't thank you enough for this video.
I became an army for their music. Their lyrics bring me the peace and confort I need, they are my home. Once I realized I was an army, I started studying their past and, watching this and some other documentals, that just enforced my proud of being called an army. I have nothing against the other artists, but I have everything against the fandoms.
Your question at 18:30 what I understand it to be in the most extreme situations is in some cases it is (not the actual groups) but their agencies using behind the scenes efforts and sometimes in conjunction with fandoms and media to YES try to sabotage. And why - what sense does this all make? For the agencies and media, the answer is given at 32:50. For the fandoms, there can be multiple reasons that don't make sense.
Now you know why ARMY is so protective of BTS. It's a bond that will never be broken. You need to watch The Rise of Bangtan series. It's 21 Chapters but well worth your time.
unfortunately yes there is more to add to this video and hurts every time we hear negative comments but here we are Army and BTS till the end always a supporting each other…
This video has so much good information to clarify why ARMY is so protective of BTS, and it still only scratches the surface of the biggest, most visible issues. It goes on and on, and in the PETTIEST ways! Like -- there are literally people who will take time out of their day to pose as ARMY on Twitter or other social media, and send hate messages to other groups or journalists or youtubers... specifically to get them to think ARMY is some obsessive hate machine and to publish articles saying that or refuse to cover BTS's music, citing "crazy fans" as the reason. When I tell you how many times it has been uncovered WITH PROOF that people doing this were trolls or fans of other groups who wanted to defame BTS as if that will help their favorite groups... 🙄 I still cannot believe there are that many people with that kind of time and commitment to goofiness. But it literally works! We just got finished debunking articles and statements from journalists who got messages like that, and the fandom is constantly having to clear up misconceptions from youtubers or just simply regular people who refuse to listen to BTS because they heard this bs about the fans and half the time it's trolls. Who DOES that??
I watched like the quarter of the video and felt bad, and on the half of the video I stopped, cause I can’t just imagine in my head what they went through. Like, I could never. All BTS members are so strong, and I hope that army will always protect them
i love what Namjoon said during their tour in Vegas He said: "I see lot of talking about the Grammy's but, why give a shit about it? we didn't came to Vegas for the Grammys we came here for the ARMYS" where they performed 3 nights with sold out shows
it's the reason I just nodded my head when people say that ARMY is overprotective.. in my mind it's like, so you want another fandom come to protect our Bangtan.. Oh please go rent some brain for your own self... The real ARMY never spreading hate to another group Idol, we just stand for Bangtan and thanks God, Karma also an ARMY 💜💜
While I do not consider myself an ARMY member and only discovered them in 2020 during the pandemic, I do really, really, really respect BTS. You might enjoy reacting to the live performance of "Born Singer" that I think made me respect this talented group of young men even more.
This sort of thing happens a lot. I don't know much about the kpop market as I'm fairly new to it myself but I specifically remember Beyonce, Taylor Swift, One Direction, etc. getting dragged on a regular basis, esp. Beyonce. The narrative now makes it seem like the Beygency is just this overprotective group of fans but they formed like that to try to protect her from all of the irrational hate she was getting. It's just like how the ARMY is for BTS.
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"No one talks to my Jungkook like that." Exactly. When that other show took place with the same host, ARMY was still fuming...and it was years later. He was just a little baby offering hamburgers and sprite. How could anyone look at that face and be that mean?!!!
He was even fighting back the tears at one point. It was heartbreaking. 😢
@@imajinallthepurple 😭
If I’m not wrong, this was also his first time going on a show on his own and he was quite nervous. It honestly makes me equally angry and sad.
It still make me cry when i saw that video 😔
That’s like the worst thing. He was there by himself, shy like he is and they treated him like that. I remember the video when he was showing X with his arms asking the viewers not to vote for him. I’m heartbroken
RM is the type to really listen to criticism. He doesn't listen to nonsense noise but if he thinks the criticism can make him better, he'll work on it. The boys don't have a big ego because they simply are trying to become better.
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Plus they are always there to keep each other grounded: They would never let any of each other get a big head that can always rain each other in because they have seen the absolute worst and best of each other and will not hesitate to poke fun, drag out the pictures, or rehash a brutally embarrassing moment.
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@@himaririku9254 You should be in the Guiness record by now with this exact comment, its been years now and youre still at it...lmao.
"Nobody talks to my Jungkook like that" 😂😂😂😂 YOU TELL EM! 💪🏽
War of Hormone is the song they called misogynistic and it is definitely not, at all.
Other entertainment companies are known to pay people to spread hate about groups that they see as competition.
Compared to American songs towards women, it really was not at all that bad. I personally love war of hormone and go hard whenever it plays 😅
@@emilywest390 War of Hormone is ARMY's National Anthem. Lol
@@Indigo_gwen preach it sis 💜
I swear the meaning of war of hormone went right over their heads 💀
I love that song and so sad they don't perform it anymore. There is nothing wrong with that song at all.
Money talks. In the beginning Big Hit didn’t have any clout/money so BTS was not given any notice by the mainstream media. They had to circumvent them in order to get their music out. They used platforms like SoundCloud and RUclips. BTS became more popular outside of Korea because of this. As they grew in popularity, they did not need the mainstream media. That caused the Korean media to avoid publishing any of their achievements. As Big Hit grew financially, they created their own platforms to promote their artists. So, the Korean media are still angry and won’t give them much notice.
And with the US, it’s similar because US companies aren’t making the majority of money off BTS too… which is why they’re hitting walls here too
Also that is why RM mentioned how they don’t need PROOF because ARMY are PROOF. He said this during one of his speeches on Day 1 or Day 2 at the Vegas concert and now look what we’ll have next… their comeback album releasing in June named PROOF. I am so proud and will always support BTS and ARMY. BORAHAE 💜
Yeah. A music critic on a radio show said that BTS owes no debt to the existing system.
and now, HYBE is buying things left and right because they can...they-re becoming the Disney of the kpop companies
@@what-a-marvelous-tune and all of the groups under hybe will succeed without needing to use the traditional system. This will be a big blow to the machine.
Someone in the cmmnts said it was only “toxic fans” who did this to BTS
You are wrong, there was clear help from the companies of this group, and idols openly looked down on BTS while they practices in the washrooms as they were from a co without power. A certail grp i wont name made controversial speeches towards BTS, they attacked BTS through their rap, members of a grp and their siblings were even involved how do you say its not with their knowledge lol
Btw a big company even tried to buy BTS from bangpd (a common tactic used by big co when smaller grps tend to over shadow their grps, they will buy the artist and give them nothing and not release music thereby ruining them)
Noone talks to my Jungkook like that….yes exactly! That makes me so angry & sad for him every time I see it. First of all he was a teenager at the time….a baby & those were grown men talking to him like that. Second he literally has the kindest & purest heart how could anyone be rude to him. BTS continuously amazes me with how much kindness, positivity & grace they show to everyone even those that don’t deserve their kindness.
The clip of him trying not to tear up and forcing a smile on his face still hurts me. Imagine being a veteran host in the industry and still being insecure and immature enough to tear down a teenager who only wanted to bring you food. Younger BTS was more mature than any of their haters.
@@alexis.george A big YES to both comments. I am continually impressed by their maturity & patience. 👏
I am not a confrontational person at all but instances like this & the ones with various so-called 'rappers' trying to disrespect & bait RM & Yoongi bring out a different side of me. 😤
Yes! They are without question more mature than any of their haters. When that host apologized in the later show & JK hugged him & forgave him I initially thought that guy doesn’t deserve his forgiveness or hug. But then I thought you know I’m happy for JK that he can forgive that guy. I’m happy that he has not let people like that guy change who he is. As popular as he as become & as much criticism & judgement he has received over the years the fact that he has been able to stay true to himself & still have his kind & pure heart says so much about him. I think the tight relationship the members have with each other helps them be able to stay true to themselves regardless of how others treat them because they can lean on each other. I’m happy they have each other & that they haven’t let the hate they’ve received change who they are. It truly is inspiring to me. I often use the word grace to describe BTS because I feel like it fits them so perfectly. I feel like grace is one of the most difficult qualities to have. Their ability to show compassion, kindness and love to someone even if they might not appreciate it, or return the favor or deserve it….it is truly inspiring to me & makes me want to try to be more like them in my life.
@@MeGustasTu2024 He’s a bigger person than I am too!!
As a chinese person who was born in america, the german radio host situation really hurt me. It was at the height of asian hate here, even in san francisco and BTS being sworn out on a MAINSTREAM public funded I believe radio station by a person who has a reach that can influence the public.. it really enraged me. Imagine all those asian kids in school in germany who were already going through enough during covid and being blamed for a virus they didnt cause... and this radio host spewing this hate calling it a joke we couldnt take. I took the petition and sent it out to my company.. one of the largest in our field in california (tech) and got people to sign. the host wazs eventually taken off the main show.. but I honestly dont think he realizes his actual wrong doing and harm. I stan BTS not because they are asian and represent me , but because they represent being against prejudice as a whole and happen to face the same shit I face for being Asian or other.
I am sorry to hear that. Also the garbage pal kids illustrations are highly insensitive due to the hate crime towards Asians being at all time high during that period due to C19…
So only as an "update" on the situation with the German radio host:
The radio station got slammed pretty badly in the German public for their non-apology. The host never went back on air and left two months later. He now has a podcast - I believe.
I know BTS has a big fanbase in China but the other fandoms(sm stans) claims that BTS isn’t popular in China. I mean what? Chinese Armys recently celebrated BTS’s las vegas concert achievements,Grammy achievements in America, they are big big. I know BTS has biggg fanbase in China
@@rikhmjustsomeguywithmousta4971 I’m American by nationality by the way I’ve never been to China lol
@@mariekereichmann6293 I honestly wish he was forced to do educational programs for the public as his punishment so he would be less ignorant. That way he’d at least have a chance of understanding. But I’ll accept that result anyway. Better than no consequence.
During this time period, there were three large music companies (dubbed the big 3) that were responsible for the majority of successful K-pop groups. The fact that BTS wasn’t from one of these larger companies and was still finding success threatened these larger companies. That’s one of the reasons why they saw so much hatred. People genuinely could not believe that BTS was finding success coming from such a small company. And the more successful they became, the more angry anti fans became. And today, big hit brings in ten times the revenue of those “big three” companies combined. It’s why we say that karma is an army.
Idk if someone can speak on this but I've heard that some companies have a hand in directing fan behavior and that's why some stuff seems targeted.
The reason why bts had little news reports (even when they were nominated for a grammy) was because these big companies paid media, they had control about everything during that time, they still have but they can't touch bts anymore, at least not like they used to.
@@sansan4420 it really wouldn’t surprise me if that was the case. With the money and influence they had at the time, having fans do smear campaigns for them would make sense but I can only speculate
@@aixa6529 it’s crazy to think how far bts have come when they had so many companies and people trying to suppress them and their message. I think that’s why a lot of people have such a hard time believing the bond between army and bts, bts truly would not be where they are today without army and similarly army would not be where they are today without bts. That kind of relationship is so unique and so inspiring, no wonder these companies keep trying all they can to keep bts down
@@sansan4420 yes i heard that too. they are even paying reactors on youtube to react on their artist new song. BP and Stayz i just some of them. their label saw how much success BTS got from reactors so they are now trying to do the same.
The misogyny claim was related to mistranslated lyrics "Girls are like a maths equation we must solve" became "Girls are like a maths equation - we just do 'em" .. the song 'war of hormone' was a fun take on the way hormones make young boys go crazy. As a woman I can tell you it was in no way offensive ... it's a cute and funny song... and totally accurate!
Also, With your background I highly recommend the documentary Rise of Bangtan to you - shows how the industry works and the guys journey from predebut to now. I think you would love it, and we'd be happy to watch it with you.
unfortunately this video had to be made so other people understand why we are so protective of BTS and BTS so protective of ARMY.. as Celeste says - we grow and learn from hardships and have become more cognizant of ourselves because of them.. mind you this really was only the tip of the ice berg of hatred BTS and ARMY have received, and we know the hatred won't stop (Haters gonna hate) - but that's OK it makes us and our bond even stronger cause "we never walk alone" (LOL.. we have a saying Karma is an ARMY... an army that is now 60+M strong).... .... it is unbelievable just how dumb and stupid some people can be and how much time and effort they spend in hating on others online. Sad thing is all ARMY has ever wanted was to be left alone to enjoy BTS music - we don't care if you don't like them - just stop hating on them and us ... just leave us alone.
also know that there are people who pretend to be army and have been attacking reactors to turn them off the band.
The saddest thing to note is that most of this happened to the boys when they were still minors themselves (ages JungKook 15yo to Jin 20yo when they debuted).... No other group has ever had such intense negative scrutiny placed on everything they do - the people behind it mostly are the other agencies and the networks. They needed for BTS to fail as BTS proves that you don't need the 'system' to be successful. They were being attacked by pillars of the media world and shunned at every turn - just like what is happening with them in the west now. Fans wars were set up and agitated by the agencies.
Also, PD Bang was offered millions for BTS - he could have sold them during that first year and they would have been shelved by whoever bought them. But PD Bang started BigHit because he wanted to prove you could support your artists and be successful. He knew what would happen if he sold them, and he knew the system was wrong. The fact that not only have they succeeded, but have remained such wonderul humble people is a testament to themselves.
Hope you have a Wonderful Day... greetings from Australia.💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Yes I agree 100%.... And be always aware of the usurpers pretending to be ARMY , they often make hurtful comments and lies in order to depict the real ARMY as toxic. .. And you'll have some saying their favs also goes through hardships to demean what BTS faced.. Yes everyone worked hard but NO ONE faced what BTS faced at the same level (Petition under the blue house, multiples death threats, no waiting rooms, extreme racism, hashtag trended worldwide, multiple false accuzations...)
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💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜💜 I screen shot this 🥰🥰🥰 Borahae Armys
Honestly the word 해 can have double meanings. *하다-해-hae which they used, means 'to do.' Wouldn't call it a mistranslation but I can say it depends on the translator's conception. Experienced translators would use 'solve' though. I still don't see the problem with the song either way.
@@meika_lee yea fr either way it was blown out of proportion
The crazy thing about it is that by looking at them, you'd never know everything they've been through. They aren't constantly bitter towards the world but instead choose to put out positive energy. They've remained humble and genuine people and I am so proud of them 💜.
i just love them so much
Omg yes! They still continue to be a shining light, I would have become bitter years ago
I like it how you didn’t dramatize your thumbnail just to catch viewers attention and watch you guys. I have watched all your BTS reaction videos and I love and respect your views so raw and honest.
The Japan controversy is deeper than u think and was one of the scariest times of being an ARMY. If yall want to know more about it, you should try reading up on the White Paper Project.
I can only tolerate 120 words at a time being addicted Twitter. What’s the gist?
@@JohnLee-db9zt Ok let me give you the gist of it. So kpoppies and two specific fandoms that have actual target groups with thousands of members and were also behind the 2016 comeback sabotage and a later incident as well in 2020 carried out their smear campaign and as core members of the fandoms it is believed they execute the orders of medium 3 companies they belong into they took advantage of the situation in Japan to try and destroy BTS's career. And believe me it was a hellish situation back then I often wonder how we were able to get through it. It was later that was revealed that this along with the many attacks they got back then brought BTS to the brink of disbanding the hate and attacks were unbearable. Now back to the situation. Those fans took advantage of the situation with Japan contacted Journalists who later revealed they were their sources and gave them a picture of Jimin from 4 years ago which they dug up to stir controversy about that t-shirt which had be worn by many idols and citizens as it was a common t-shirt. And then supported Nazis and extremists in Japan to even life threatening situations for both BTS and Japanese Army. Army's at that time even got physical and verbal attacks. And when they saw that they failed they fabricated a picture from Seo Taiji's concert that BTS was part of and presented it as a swastika symbol when it was actually a symbol of the school system in Korea and nothing to do with it. They again failed because Seo Taiji himself cleared the situation. Imagine Seo Taiji legend himself had to intervene to stop their psychotic behavior. I don't even want to remember that period since then I have fear whenever anything controversial comes about BTS because we are unable to stop these target groups of other psychotic fandoms.
@@pennybleta9721 That’s a hard read. Try using better grammar and punctuations. But I get it.
And now BTS has blown up huge in Japan. They stay winning 🥳
@@JohnLee-db9zt Sorry I am not a native speaker I hope you understood what I meant.
This quick overview scratches the surface, if u can imagine the extent that BTS & ARMY went through with each and every hardship event. For example, the German DJ incident happened over the course of months whereby he accused a protective ARMY of being overzealous teenage girls. The blood boils. Particularly when these people persistently attack 7 of the nicest guys in the industry. And yes, these things are happening to them to this day.
8:05 I'm not sure if you've seen it already but the army-made docu series The Rise of Bangtan can give you a view on how it goes with the kpop industry, and would definitely clarify things you're curious about since it's an excellent in depth analogy of BTS history which entails every detail that goes with it especially the industry they came from. I do hope you can check it out if you haven't already.
18:28 I think the problem lies on the idol groups' company rather than the idols themselves. Most of them are friends but the company can do everything in its power to sabotage groups that they feel is a threat to their artists. They do media play, and can control music shows, tv stations and social media sites to sabotage other groups, esp the companies belonging to the Big 3 of the kpop industry. They have all the means and clout.
Yes, it’s that competitive. The K-Pop world depends a great deal on TV appearances and fan-voted awards on those shows to build the popularity of their groups. There are the “Big 3” companies that have lots of influence on getting their groups on shows. The companies (covertly) and organized fans really do try to suppress their competition by disreputable means.
to the point where those big 3 companies are willing to buy out groups from smaller companies and then run them to the ground and shut them down just because they're getting remotely popular and starting to threaten the big company groups' positions. it happened to a group called infinite and it almost happened to bts, however bighit ultimately refused to sell them out.
It's hard to explain what the kpop culture was like in the early 2010 era. It has come to change so much. Yes, fans were more aggressive and toxic wars would happen over social media. I suggest watching The Rise Of Bangtan videos. They do a great job of following the journey of BTS while also showing and explaining the kpop culture. It shows how the world of kpop works and what made BTS so different.
I enjoyed the reaction! Can't wait for more!
Thanks guys for taking the time to share your reaction to this. It's really refreshing to hear your opinions.
Our pleasure!
4:45 oh! great point bringing up the beatles. I remember doing some research and looking up how the beatles were received when they first popped up and there were quite a few scathing articles about the beatles when they first came out, saying they were nothing special and only women liked them for their looks. And yet, look at how a lot of people worship them now, men or women or etc. i feel that this is similar to the treatment towards bts. they were looked down on so much for their looks and for having so many "crazy" female fans a few years ago and so many other things. but when I just went to the bts concert in vegas recently, tae asked all the ladies to cheer and then afterwards asked all the gentlemen to cheer. a few years ago, you may not have heard many men, but woooowwwww so many men were cheering at the las vegas concert and i'm so happy to see the change. bts' music is meant to be enjoyed by all and it brings me great joy to see more open minded people finally coming to join in listening to bts' message and music.
I'm a Mom, with a teen who's in senior high. I honestly want my son to grow up like these young men: responsible, talented, respectful.
I can't thank you enough for giving BTS a chance on your channel. They are great role models, with great messages through their songs.
3:32 According to Kim Young Dae, a well known music critic in South Korea, these industry people hated the fact that BTS succeeded organically on their own, without their help. So they're doing everything to drag them down. Plus the fact that a lot of big entertainment companies invested and have connections in the media so they can pretty much destroy bts with their media play. These companies think that BTS is blocking their artists' success. So everyone's ganging up on them. I really hope you can watch The Rise of Bangtan
It's difficult to really convey just how bad all this was, though Celeste does a good job overall. The amount of hate, defamation, libel, threats, harassment, & mistreatment of Tannies is indescribable during these years. The hate got to such a fever pitch that BigHit (now called Hybe) released that statement about pursuing legal action against perpetrators of these crimes against BTS (the laws regarding online harassment are much stricter in Korea & you can press charges much easier for it than here). Ever since, Hybe has been routinely pressing charges (in the hundreds now) against BTS harassers, & in 2016 Hybe won the court case against them involving the blackmailing of an employee & investigation into their promotion tactics & the accusations of sajaegi, all of which were ruled in favor of Hybe proving their innocence. THAT'S how bad it got for BTS & Hybe - to the point of needing to take legal action, & having to prove their innocence in court. The attacks were a constant barrage. I lived these times alongside BTS & honestly, myself along with the majority of veteran ARMY were traumatized repeatedly by all the crap we & BTS were subjected to. It's one of a myriad of reasons why we're so protective of them & get defensive if we sense disrespect & hate towards them.
Thank you for being there for our boys before the rest of us found them. I'm so grateful to know they had such loyal people holding them up when they were going through so much. Borahae!!💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
I think Celeste was being super careful by not naming names and going into too much detail.
Im 2016 army and i cry a lot during those time, the hate, the mistreatment. Among army we always said this that time : "we are not a big fandom, we have to pull together and help bts" i remember we do all the scan code, flyers, sending flowers to every local station. Army back then did everything in our power to help bts. It's hard, while defending bts we promote them and so BTS too, they work hard along army. Im so happy right now that bts and army had passed that stage.
@@sugamin1528 💜
@@englishrose7408 I wish she named names, because people like SM and YG STILL harass BTS till this day.
I love watch you two discover BTS, I will subscribe. I was so clueless in 2020, I even lived in Korea and iddnt care for their music cuz I didnt bother to understand their lyrics. Nov 2020 they saved my life. I have major depressive disorder and PTSD due to my bfs suicide years ago. I never go thelp. I was waiting on a hotline to pick up.. but no one was picking up and I was ready to end it. Im a real person. Im 30. I live in san francisco. I work in a large company and am successful, but I never got help. And out of the corner of my eye I saw their vidoe STAY GOLD. I didnt understand what they were saying because it was in japanese, but I understood the message, the emotion, the words stay gold. I broke down, and went down the rabbit hole of their journey and videos. I learned that I was worth feeling alive, that I was worth living. I started going to therapy because of BTS, and two promotions later here I am.
Stay Gold ...and Purple. God Speed
RM felt so much stress, anxiety and guilt when that WOH controversy happened. On the positive side, I do believe he learned from that incident to be extra cautious about everything he says (unfortunately it's necessary due to how much people scrutinize everything BTS members do) and started to read even more sociopolitical books, which has enriched his knowledge and understanding of various subjects. It was really sad to see though, how much it affected his self esteem. Plus, WOH was a song BTS used to have a lot of fun performing.
Namjoon always gets a lot of hate from media, the general audience and even fans, because people tend to make the leader responsible for any mistake. For some reason, I've always seen that people tend to project a lot onto him. Also, whenever there's a controversy in relation to any Kpop idol of another group, toxic fans tend to use Joon as an scapegoat, in order to deflect the conversation from their singer, instead of addressing the situation or making their idol accountable. It's very immature, manipulative and cowardly.
They would maliciously criticize anything RM says or does, bringing back his old mistakes (and many times even lying, twisting his words, taking things out of context or spreading misinformation.) This is particularly infuriating because, out of all the young artists I know, Namjoon is certainly one of the best examples of what it means to become a more emotionally mature and intelligent person as you grow up. He constantly makes an effort to become a better person, he never makes excuses, he apologizes directly, he learns from the past, he shows when he has changed through actions/behavior (not only words), he's self aware of his shortcomings and defects, he uses his virtues and skills in practical ways. He shows respect, humility, gratefulness, admiration and empathy for others. And he does all this without lacking strength of character, critical thinking, or dignity. And he's more assertive nowadays too (when defending himself). But seriously, what else do they want from him? To save the Earth? To be perfect? No one is perfect.
Side Note: I've noticed that in recent years, Jungkook has been getting an extreme amount of scrutinity too. Idk if it's because he's the youngest and has this "golden boy, good at everything" reputation... It's similar to how the public expect Disney stars or child actors to remain an unattainable ideal image forever. But the way people blow out of proportion every small incident he's involved in, it's unbelievable. For example, he was in a minor car accident (no one got injured), and the news had click-bait titles saying someone had died... You can't tell me that's not malicious. And that can take a tool on anyone. But, lately he seems to be doing pretty well ignoring hate... I'm glad. And now that they were able to do concerts again, he was so happy hehe.
Side Note 2: To be honest, for me, some of the worst incidents were when they're disrespected by hosts. I still remember that time they went to a specific Korean variety show for the first time, Yoongi was really excited because he was a fan of the show, and he brought a song as a gift. And one of the hosts literally rejected his gift, even tried to refuse to listen to the track. Supposedly those guys were just "joking" but no sir, that is plainly cruel. By the way, that hamburger incident happened the very first time Jungkook was on a TV show, and those guys knew that, they knew he was still a teenager, and Kookie told them he bought them with his own money (it was his idea, to break the ice and show gratitude like "I brought you some food, please take care of me").
RM was around 19 with the weight of the company on his shoulders. Thinking that he jeopardized everything for his teammates and staff must've been traumatizing.
I've seen that it's really hard for men to get hate or being accused of wronging women when they're not trying to at all.
It's a different matter, but I've seen people's lives being crumbled because of a fake accusation from a lady because usually no one ever believes the guy. The girl carries on with her life while the guy has to deal with the shame his whole life.
And I say this as a woman.
@@shivangiagrawal2665 I've seen it too. In my own family. I would rather not give details, but you are right.
@@lobaetoile8440 of course. And God Forbid if the woman files a case. In my country it is very hard to get visa for some countries or get a job if you have a criminal record.
Glad you talk about Yoongi got rejected on Weekly Idol. Not many army talk about this because its been a long time. I remember this scene clearly because at that time I was an avid fan of the show, but I wasn't an army and didn't know much about bts. Just decided to check bts episode since its their first time appearance and rookies were always funny. So i remembered watching bts episode and felt uncomfortable when Hyungdon rejected Suga's song. Suga's face clearly fell and he looked a bit disappointed. I remembered thinking, "hey, thats a bit mean..." eventhough I don't know about bts at the time. Defconn also rejected the song but he was polite about it. Hyungdon was belittling him.
Now look at him. The most sought after producer in south korea. I bet Hyungdon regretted this for life and served him right.
BTS dont care if they tackle difficult subjects that are unpopular. Spring day for example. However they don't want to intentionally offend anyone, especially not women due to thoughtless lyrics. RM did not use misogynistic lyrics, however he cares about his fans, so he chose to be a lot more careful in case he ever accidentally did somehow cause hurt to armys. RM is a true inspiration and leader and his maturity and thoughtfulness shows in how hard he works 💜
I agree. RM even shared how in their Billboard Award performance that they changed the Korean work for "you" to "I" because the pronunciation of "you" in Korean sounds too much like the "N" word in English which would cause misunderstanding! BTS try very hard to be "aware".
This video is never an easy watch without being reminded of the times that were literally BAD BAD … i just started as a fan from 2016 and just wat bts and we as a fan have been through since … the level of hate was unrealistic.
I would like u to do a blind reaction to bts- contribution to the music by xceleste… another one if her gem videos 💜
I second the suggestion to watch the video about BTS’ contribution to (their own) music, it’s really good
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I don't think the hatred has ended, but increased. Jealousy from the big companies,. Then there is The Grammy's (still upset at that) who blatantly use BTS in their commercials to get viewers for ratings. The Grammy commercials(and they were constantly on every show for at least one full week in LA ) had 3 inserts of BTS per every commercial , whether it was 30 seconds or 60 second. 3 times that is at least 6 to 7 seconds which is a lot. they played the clips to get viewers to watch the program live. I counted, they did not use any other artists more than once other than BTS in every single commercial. Then they snubbed them.Disgusting
I an older American and I was introduced to K-Pop and BTS when they appeared on SNL, April 2019. I was completely blown away by their talents, skills, artistry and performances.
I immediately started researching one thing which lead to researching another, and in the following order:
BTS the group
The individual members of BTS
BTS's Discography
BTS's History
Big Hit Entertainment/HYBE
The K-Pop Industry
Other K-Pop Groups
South Korean Culture
South Korean History
South Korean Current Events
All of it has been so fascinating to learn.
I have so much respect for BTS and HYBE and proudly call myself an Army.
How quickly a person can go from "I am learning about BTS" to "don't talk to my JK like that." Welcome to the ARMY fellas.
Its not really the group who tries to sabotage other groups but its more of their own toxic fans who try to sabotage other groups to push their own fav group further
And the companies.
@@AngelaSealana for sure
I love BTS. I think they work hard and they really make the effort to connect with their fans. I also believe that there are many artist out there who are also doing the same so I don’t think they’ve cornered the market on hardships. What I do respect is that they respond to the critics with their music and with their success. I don’t hear them bad mouthing other artists and I really respect them for the way they deal with it, even if they may be grinding their teeth about it away from us. A lot of trouble is stirred up by toxic people or toxic fans. I choose not to react. To me it’s like giving them attention. Just ignore. The awards, the records, the impact of their music and message, that’s where our focus should be. Enjoying your reactions here in the Caribbean 👋🏾
But the groups do nothing to stop them. So in a passive way, they do .
Because exo-l
I remember another fandom of a group, from one of the most influential entertainment company at that time BIG 3, petitioning the blue house (South Korea presidential home) to investigate BTS and their company, because they couldn’t believe a group from a small company is selling more than their favourite. It was so juvenile, sinister and frankly an unbelievable move that I can’t comprehend even to this day.
This was great guys, I love to tune into what you have to say as creatives and people with experience with the music/entertaiment industries. May I suggest xCeleste's "BTS Contribution to Music" for your next docutainment, it's so insightful about their creative process and how involved they are in their music. Thank you again for your time and energy, it's a pleasure to witness your journey with BTS/ARMY. - Mae
I really don't get how jhope is untalented. He literally has every single role in the group. A dancer, rapper, vocalist, writer, composer, producer, and choreographer. Everyone is talented and might be more than him in some roles but the fact he has a skill for every single one says a lot.
I do not get it either. Being a dance leader is enough for him to be acknowledged as talented since he holds a special position in the group. Now even considering the fact that he is also part of the rap line trio. What more if we include him being actually one of the group's predominant producers, composers, and writers.
There were 3 big companies that had groups. They had control over all broadcasts, etc. BTS was from a small company, and a competitor. As BTS started getting popular, these things happened - big companies trying to belittle the small company. Also, BTS became popular outside of broadcasts - they online streaming, etc. So broadcast companies were also not happy.
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I think what the music critic Kim Youngdae was saying explains a lot of the hate BTS get. Watching that whole interview cleared a lot of things for me. I'll explain his words and other stuff here:
Basically, there's three huge entertainment companies in South Korea: YG, JYP and SM. Those companies have had tons of artists over the decades and have basically had the monopoly over the industry. So every time they debut a new group, the power of the company allows for the group to become successful quickly. These companies have control over TV shows, variety shows, press, journalists, radio etc. So these entertainment companies and the media are basically in agreement that the companies will pay for exposure for their artists and the media will get money and clicks and views in return, right? So the companies can create their artists and force them in bad contracts and control them and make money off of them easily.
Then comes along BTS. They're from BigHit, a tiny company that has one solo artist before them (different genre) (they've had a few artists before that weren't too successful and were over when BTS debuted). The whole philosophy of BigHit and its CEO Bang Shihyuk is to give the artists creative freedom with their music. The members of BTS are from all over the place and they are debuted in the kpop industry but with freedom that artists in these other kpop agencies don't have. Being from a small company, BTS doesn't have the money to be throwing at all these TV shows and other media. So they don't bother to report on BTS or share their content. And when BTS does get to appear, they're not given much respect. So BTS starts making their own content: vlogs and behind the scenes content on RUclips, their own variety show and livestreams on Vlive, close communication with fans on Twitter and other platforms, etc. And they start gaining fans around the world on these platforms. And the creative freedom they have allows for them to make meaningful music that touches people. Their debut song was literally a criticical song on the way society crushes young people. People find energy from them and they're extremely hard working with amazing dance choreos. So their fans are on a next level of loyal and connected to the artist.
So, imagine the other entertainment agencies' and media companies' surprise when these people start gaining success? They're selling more and more and don't seem to be stopping. This whole system they've built where every successful artist has them to thank for is useless. BTS doesn't need the TV shows, the articles, the mediaplay. No one is able to profit from their success. None of them can say I built this group. All they can do is try to downplay any achievements BTS gets and push their own artists to try to be as successful. When BTS got their fisrst Grammy nomination, the headlines weren't "Wow BTS is the first Korean idol to be nominated a Grammy, they're on the Best Duo/Group category!" It's "BTS fails to make it to the main categories." History is being made and Koreans don't even know right away. These companies can just downplay BTS and try to copy them. Jokes on them, you can't copy the sincerity of BTS. They're built by the members, the company, and the enormous support of ARMY.
Basically the same thing happens when they start getting big in the US. They don't have a US record label so they don't get the promo other artists do. Radio hosts won't play them even when there's demand so ARMYs call them and request them and send them cupcakes and do everything to get them on. Stores don't sell BTS albums so ARMYs call all these people to get BTS' albums on the shelves of US stores. ARMY isn't just fans anymore, it's a movement of people doing everything in their power to get BTS the respect and recognition they deserve. And this is happening all around the world. And still there's all these people saying racist things and belittling them, whether it be because of their race, their language, the predominantly female fanbase, "shallow lyrics" that they've never given a chance, "girly looks", "gay sexuality" that they've never spoken on. The list goes on and on. The industry is scared of someone that can make it big without the help of the industry, because that makes them insignificant. And the general public gets their information from the media, so it's hard to get to people and get them to actually listen to the music without prejudice.
Even now, when they have literally been IFPI's number one best selling artist in the world for two years, they're not treated the same as their Western counterparts. They are a "phenomenon" with "insane" fans who "mass buy" their music and are "bots". Literally Billboard is changing their rules to keep BTS from topping. They removed the Top Social Artist chart, BTS has been leading it for hundreds of weeks. The Hot100 charts have recently been modified to not count literal sales of the music as much, with radio getting more importance. Guess which part BTS are more successful in? Yeah. Radio still won't play them. The same thing has been happening in Korea, where some award shows have changed their criteria to be based on judges who award quality instead of the fans' input. But guess what? BTS is still winning them.
This turned out to be a long rant lol. But yeah the hate and resistance BTS gets is not just from mindless antis, even though it's them too. It's a lot of industry resistance, because BTS are the first to ever do so many of these things. So they have to do all the hard work and remain respectful even when they are ridiculed, to always be the bigger person. People literally try to make up scandals about them but there is nothing to talk about lol. They are paving the way for so many other artists that will not even see the things that have changed because if BTS. All of this is what ARMYs are trying to fight and also what helps BTS and ARMY be so close.
Edit: Another comment made me want to add this 😅 What's incredibly impressive is how BTS has gone through all this and still continues to face this, but you would never know just by looking at them. They're the sweetest people, everyone in the industry and otherwise that meets them says the same thing - they're the same in real life as they are online. All this resistance from everyone else has made them that much closer to each other and just their craft and ARMYs. They really are amazing.
The song that was referred to as having "mysogynistic lyrics" was War Of Hormones. I find the song cute and funny...there are even songs with worst and explicit lyrics than that but nobody even cares or noticed but with BTS they make it a big issue. They don't sing that song anymore but the MV, their live performances and dance practices videos are still available here in yt.
Not sure if y'all caught this since you were talking over it (I'm not complaining btw) -- the 🇰🇷 government made the military postponement only available to artists who have been awarded the Order of Cultural Merit from the government. Which is extremely rare, but BTS has received it. That's why the other companies complained that the law was "unrealistic" and "unfair".
Hope BTS gets exempted💜
That will make the other fandoms and toxic multisians upset. I want if possible BTS to serve in military only for 1 or 2 months together as 7 members not individually
I would be upset too. That law has to be fair for all. I am an ARMY and multistan, and obviously I'm going to miss them when they go to military service, but in their country it's a duty for all men. Just because they're idols doesn't mean they shouldn't do their duty like everyone else.
@@florvillarreal9136 why couldn't they got exempted when many athlete or classic musician got exempted ? For as far as I know, BTS contribution for the nation had far exceed those who get exempted
@@selvyromberante3303 I'm not denying that they contribute a lot to the nation. But as far as I know, the law to defer military service to artists who received presidential recognition was created for them a short time ago. I read that many companies that have more or less recognized groups have a duty to comply with the service. That is why I say that this law does not apply to all citizens and it is a bit unfair. Many other idols that I love will be doing their military service this year and they can't do anything to "postpone" it. For example, Taemin is having a hard time due to her mental health and they were evaluating if he should continue the service. He, who has a long history and is loved by the nation, didn't get that recognition and I also didn't see people asking for SHINee to do military service together or their time being postponed.
18:13 So speaking as someone who has followed kpop since the 90s, there's a loooottttt of craziness tbh. And it would take too long for me to explain and go through everything in great detail. Kpop has been overly saturated with sooooooo many groups since the 1st gen (generation) or 2nd gen of kpop. In fact, during the 2nd gen of kpop, I remember the fandom wars were so violent. And anti fans actually would try to harm kpop idols like hitting them or slipping them poisoned drinks. It was horrific. And I'm sure some of that still happens now. Stalkers are definitely still a thing. Most of the craziness comes from the fans and fandom wars, but rival companies will also hire people to look like fans or journalists to sabotage rival groups. I've seen all these things hahaha. Now, I know it's not as big with the western artists, but with kpop idol groups, i compare their fans like they're football fans. You know how football fans get soooooo passionate in loving their teams that they will hate other teams and their fans to such a crazy degree? Pretty much the same things here with kpop stans lol except i have yet to see kpop stans flipping cars or causing riots because their group won or lost something lol.
I think that a pretty good short video about how kpop came to be and how overly saturated it is would be DKDKTV's youtube video called "Kpop History in 20 minutes". It doesn't say EVERYTHING (like the crazy drama stuff), but it's a good general knowledge piece on kpop.
Yes a very good analogy I would say.
That customer call to Melon was done by another group's fan challenging the results of BTS's win. The customer service told them BTS won the end of the story, with no fraud going on. Things like this are common such as petitions sent to Korean government asking them to disband BTS. BigHit has also had to go to court to prove their album sales amongst ridiculous claims.
really hope they see this comment.
Exols r shitass ppl my goodness..i was not a fan that time bt the amt of shit tht they did to bts nd army..i hv no idea how armys that time survived it..props to them all for being soo strong
Today these companies conduct studies on BigHit and BTS' success hoping to replicate it, but never once give them their due. ARMYs see what they've been doing and this is why lots of us never got into other groups
Exols😒
@@rikhmjustsomeguywithmousta4971 and vips too…
This video is a very PG version of what actually goes down when it comes to BTS.
It hurts even more when you actually get to know the members a bit more. They are such genuine good people.
The Jk's burger incident breaks my heart because even now he has like the purest heart with no hint of malice at all. With 6 older bros around him, he tends to see just good in people. But he was a kid at that time. Imagine 3 -4 adults treating you like that.
Army suffers even more. All we want some basic human respect. Like you guys could react to a BTS song and even say you hate it. as long as you're respectful, we wouldn't get offended at all.
Oh I love that! “We are not being taken seriously. We won’t take you seriously!” EXACTLY.
BTS had every damn reason to give up on achieving their dreams but they didn’t. They fended off all the haters and have achieved more than they ever thought they would achieve. Through all this you think they would have gotten big headed to show just what they achieved. But they didn’t. They have remained humble throughout their bumpy journey and that’s what drew me to them. They are great humans, talented young men and the energy that has brought smiles to people around the world is truly priceless and infectious. Not only do I enjoy their work, but I admire the hard working, sensitive, caring and humble gentleman that they have become.
That "reporter" that asked the plagiarism question has made other accusatory articles that trended on naver, and he was found to be on YG's payroll 🙄
Companies (most likely SM or yg since they have the most money and power in broadcasting and korean media) absolutely do run hate campaigns towards bts, yg is especially known to participate in media play since early 2000s to make their acts seem bigger/more popular than they are
Thanks, guys for your honest reactions and sharing your thoughts! I always appreciate your professional opinions and insights to your reactions. Keep up the excellent work!
I remembered watching a video compilation that touches me the most. It was an ARMY writing a letter to a BTS member (I think that was Jin) way back 2013 when they first started saying how sorry s/he was because ARMYs aren't strong enough to protect them. And looking now, ARMYs have grown bigger and stronger and became the most feared fandom of all. I am so proud of BTS & ARMY. I wasn't there when they first started but I am glad to have found them now.
Being feared isn't about people kissing our asses & give us false praises but it is all about getting the respect and shutting the mouths of those worthless haters. 💜
i remember this german host guy. he recieved a huge backlash and armys all over the world were bringing the issue about the racism towards asians, not only bts for a few weeks after that because of the increased aggressions due to the pandemic. he and his company tried to apologise a few times stating that he "wasn't intending to be offensive" (yeah calling them "little pissers" and "blasphemy" on air is not offensive at all) and "attempted to express his feeling in an exaggerated manner that hurt the feeling of bts' fans". they claimed it was just a joke and never realized that jokes can be racist too and can have drastic consequences, they also never realised that it wasn't exactly about hurting armys feelings. we never made it about our feelings. we were fighting the blatant anti-asian internalised racism. with every attempt to save his image the guy was burring himself even further, saying he can't be called racist because he uses a korean car (it was japanese but it doesn't even matter, how a car can be compared to the respect towards a nation), saying he just underestimated armys power along the way calling us "fanatical followers of a musical cash machine" that "distorted his statements" by the "currently very popular racist stick". it was a mess. a mess that perfectly shows you what kind of environment bts and army have to deal with regularly
Do we know what happened to him now? Is he still being a middle aged white man host in Germany?
@@jessaramos2992 I might be wrong a little bc I haven't exactly been interested in his future, but his radio show was cancelled and he took a prolonged vacation or something staying at some fancy resort wallowing in misery and complaining to every living soul how awful we are and how we ruined his life over nothing. I saw some interviews he gave about it, he didn't learn a lesson and still stands by his sick racist opinions
@@erume5776 Karmy is an ARMY and i hope he suffers from this for the rest of his life. I can’t believe there’s people out there who are shocked when there’s consequences of their actions lol. Thanks for answering !
@@jessaramos2992 all I hope for is that he will realize one day how wrong he was. life loves to teach lessons. I don't wish for his suffering, but I'd like him to feel a great shame for what he said and how he acted, that will be enough
@@erume5776 sorry let me elaborate - I don’t mean suffering literally in the sense that it causes him great distress but that he continues to, like you said, feel shame or suffer the consequences of his actions. I agree that perhaps one day he can see what he did wrong but I’ve realized that people generally don’t really change especially when ego and pride are involved …which clearly he has. It’s disappointing really.
Im gonna mark this and leave it for comments and time stamps if I need too:
1) 16:30 Ok so about anti fans, I think in comparison to the western fans and kpop fans it is very different. But people get like REALLY engaged within kpop fandoms and take their time/energy hating on other kpop groups, so I wouldn't say its like the bots in the US. Majority of them are real people and since you have so many coming from different parts of the world, its very easy to trend things that can be hateful.
2) 18:08 I've mentioned most in my other comment but (most) groups don't publicly hate one another. Companies or staff members tend to get in conflicts with one another (conflict meaning backhanded compliments or simple dissing online) and the artists can be dragged into it. Also, since the clip in question was around 2016, BTS wasn't huge but it was their uprising you could say and (back to the companies) many of them posed BTS as a threat to their top groups. Since these companies in question were relatively bigger than BigHit (BTS's company) they had more authority, ultimately making it hard for BTS to just work how they wanted.
3) 33:46 Most korean men (idols) go to the military when they reach age 30. The member you probably saw about the reference to the military was Jin, who is 30. However, due to the amount of money BTS bring into the economy it has been deemed that they're already serving their country just by bringing in millions. Many people have different opinions on it (however i am not male nor korean so i'll leave it at that) but like stated in the video, they have always stated they would go if need be.
4) 42:49 Most people never realize the depths of hate bts get on a daily and its not just like stupid trolls. Like 2016, I was absolutely distraught and hurt from a personal stand point when I saw all those comments about V's grandmother. And truthfully it goes for all kpop artists, these people barely get to even see their families and just to shit on it all when one relative passes away, must be heart wrenching.
It’s funny because Army is so strong that Bts has to intervene and be like “Don’t worry. It’s ok.” There’s a meme that accurately depicts us fighting haters and BTS is picking us up to hold us back from continuing to fight. 😄 They deserve the respect because they have worked hard for everything they’ve achieved and they’re good people who did nothing to anyone but try spread positive vibes and love.
oh you're completely right about the "misogynistic" song actually... it's called war of hormone and the lyrics are a bit cringy but theres nothing misogynistic about them, they are quite literally praising women throughout the song
The MV as well is very telling in that it is the girls choice in the end as to who she 'picks' and it is the one who treated her the 'best'. The others as well as soon as she seems to say no or walk away, they don't follow, they go back to talking to their friends or the camera. It's pretty respectful overall. Plus being an amazing bop and hello to Jimin in the red pants.
Late to the party, but I think the real offender was "Expensive Girl," which was a Pharrell Williams cover and raunchy as hell.
@@mplahke 😭😭 yeah i guess but at the end of the day it wasn't his song anyway
You guys have a really good observation 🥺👏💜
Thank you
@@BeardsBoozeBandsBS hello 👋 can you react to bts talkshow ARMYPEDIA i'm sure you're going too like it and. Then react to bts room live
Also, BTS was allowed to go on social media and speak directly to their fans. That just was not done among kpop idols. Another thing is BTS was able to keep releasing music while groups under the other companies only released albums once in a while, if hardly at all. I mean, look at Blackpink. Despite their popularity they have very little original music to their name. It's crazy but those top companies want to control everything about their artists.
Indeed! And what’s so cool is the members would even release songs for free jst for Army. I forget which one exactly but I did hear them mention it.
@@wongpauline22 Suga released BOTH his solo projects as Agust D for free. BTS has released free music as one entity and also as solo members.
Indeed BTS keep us Army's nice and fed with their music.
Thank you so much for watching this. They have had disrespect and hate from within and outside of the industry. US Radio blocks them at every turn with only a handful of stations willing to play their music since that is what the listeners request. If a western artist who is unknown gets a lot of requests they play it because the grass roots support tells them people want to listen to the music. When people request BTS music they are dismissed and relegated to the category of rabid teenage spammers. It is so frustrating. This 50yo ARMY is neither a teenager nor rabid. I like a wide variety of music. I LOVE BTS’s music and respect them more than any other artists I have ever had the pleasure of listening to and watching. Like RM says, Haters gonna hate. It is still sad. Even when they sell our SOFI and Allegiant stadiums they are described as “kpop boy band” or a phenomenon….instead of global icons and artists. Oh well. Peace!
no other kpop groups have struggled as much as BTS .they deserve every bit of their success.smth I wanna tell you is kpop isn't a sweet family like it seem to be. A lot of artists have shown bitterness towards BTS's success.its not just their toxic fans..
Celeste didn’t have to name names in the video bc we all know who it is. The more you react to BTS, you’ll figure it out too. The fans from one group just couldn’t let it go that BTS was doing better. And now, it’s the fans of many groups. But it all comes down to one thing…the numbers. Numbers don’t lie. BTS outsells everyone right now. Each year, army gets bigger and stronger. The reason is that BTS makes music that we can relate to, enjoy, and use to heal ourselves. No one else is doing it like BTS.
I don’t think I’ve ever been this early😂
The story of bts to success is really eye opening and touching. I got to know them in October 2020 through dynamite and black swan, then i loved their music since then. After watching videos about their struggles, i respected and loved them even more.
The fact that they're still thriving even more today because of how huge they're becoming despite being a 'kpop boyband' as it has so much prejudice, they still manage to break records of music legends and set/break their own records to having a big impact in music and the world outside music as a group and individually. Their story should be turned into a film/ documentary that will inspire so many or even make the people who hated them or didn't vibe with their music to respect them. They're now releasing an 'anthology album' like do fans realise how huge this is ?! They're real musician and they will share some of their hidden/unheard versions of their old songs with us💜. They're beginning a new chapter in their careers and i will be here to enjoy and support💜.
There is another XCeleste video “this is bts army” that is amazing too! Here a Mexican 60 years old army! 💜💜💜🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽🇲🇽
The way you caught on the strategic attacks to BTS as "boxes" is so on point. Paid for and pushed by those at the time in position of power. I'm only 16:40mins in to it and this is turning into one of my favorite reactions by far.
oh the kpop idol industry is very competitive. companies can and do stoop to that level.
i think you guys would really enjoying watching the rise of bangtan - it is a fanmade doc but it is so good and so well made
The Rise Of Bangtan series is amazing at showing their story with the ups and downs. I can't recommend it enough! 🤩
I loved this video. What I find funny is that you were talking over the very spot where it was said that they would serve if / when called upon. LOL Jin is the one up for enlistment & he did say that he would serve when called. I love how ARMY has always, ALWAYS, supported BTS; had their backs. I'm sorry I didn't find them sooner. Honestly, I do not know how BTS remains so humble & kind. If only EVERYONE took their lead. A more humane group of young men will never be found. Bang PD did a wonderful job finding these young men & putting them together. They're from different walks of life, but all have a common ground in humanity, kindness, and integrity. They raise up the human race all on their own. I do not think I'd be able to "look the other way," if I had to face the hate they faced. It would more than likely change me. BTS deserve all the accolades & awards they receive, and so much more!
This is such a great documentary from xCeleste and it only covers a small part of what they have had to and continue to deal with. A good point is that we as ARMY need to understand when and who to highlight when protecting the group. Sometimes we amplify negative voices that should not be given that time as it is what they are seeking (clout chasers or those after engagement). Those in the media though, we keep those receipts and do not let people slink back after time thinking we forgot.
As others have said below when BTS debuted they were not part of the Big 3 entertainment company and they were referred to as 'monster rookies' as they won the majority of rookie awards and made a lot of people notice them. This did not sit well with the Big 3 who have very close links with the TV stations and media companies in South Korea. Those attacks from supposed ARMY fans, we have long suspected were targeted campaigns from the other Entertainment companies using troll farms etc.
Anytime a comeback (the term for a new album release in SK) is announced for BTS we see a rise in personal attacks, victimisation of members from 'solo' fans and other methods that try to distract from the attention of the comeback. So much so we have bingo cards we use to check off.
Big Hit which is now a subsidiary under HYBE has the last laugh. When they went public on the SK Stock Exchange, the demand and value was such that they operate on the top level and the other so called Big 3 stocks are on a lower tier.
armys may sound crazy when we say there’s sociopolitical context to bts’ but as you can see it’s true 😭 i love that bts know when to speak up and when to move in silence. like when korean broadcasting slighted them, they stopped attending/preforming at their programs. it’s gotta sting considering a bts appearance bolsters views immensely, especially as they get more and more popular every year. they may take a lot on the chin but they are in no way pushovers 💜
I wann cry .my babies deserve every thing good in this life
On your question:
Yes the korean market is fludded with these groups trying to make it. Around a 100 groups debut each year and only 1% gets to stick around for a couple of years. Fans of groups ban together to throw out the competition. Certain companies gave/give a helping hand in these things. Like with BTS they were competing with a group in early days so these fans want head to head against each other. But the members of both groups were and are friends. (There isn't competion anymore as they are both established now)
This is why ARMY does everything in their power to make and keep them untouchable and protected at all costs 💜
42:05 footage of them taking in that the entire Wembley audience surprised them by singing their song to them IN KOREAN
its crazy how good they still are even tho theyve been treated super bad by a lot of people
Rise of Bangtan is definitely something you guys should consider watching, because it answers a lot of questions. The series explains not only how BTS came to be, but also how the industry and everything surrounding Kpop works. For example: there are so many groups that debut each year that the competition gets to a point where companies try to sabotage others. BTS was an anomaly in the industry, because they didn't do it the way the industry (media, other companies, donors etc) wanted and because they knew how much potential BTS had they did everything they could to sabotage them. Not to mention toxic fans from other fandoms like EXO or Big Bang, who were responsible for 90% of the "plagiarism" and other dreadful stuff.
I explain it to my family abt there hardships as they were a band that wasnt suppose to be, because they werent from the big 3. The fix you cover they did was amazing and cold play loved it. But that German radio guy got fired bc army wasnt having it and forced the radio owners hand. This is why army is over protective over them and go hard at stations and radio and other people. I love that you guys go in and do your own research abt things or the songs. Def good ones if you havent had on a list yet is spring day, fix you cover, rm do you ( solo for him) the cypher part 1 to 4 with just rm jhope and suga.
18:00 about your question, no BTS is not the first idol group and other 'jealous wannabes' are trying to sabotage them. BTS are actually a 3rd gen idol group (1st gen from the 90s, 2nd gen include Big Bang if you've heard of them). As xCeleste said other groups are LITERALLY looking down on them because they were still starting up and came from a small company. The success and global acceptance came later, ie. they really rocketed in 2017 during their Wings album tour and first appearance in the US with BBMAs
You know you made it big...
When you get your own haters.
Prayers, strength, love to all.
🙏💪💜
Thank you for this reaction video. I really appreciate your wanting to know some of the history of BTS. Knowing what they have gone through (even to this day) makes their success that much sweeter. They deserve it all💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Stan the group that stans you back. That is BTS and ARMY relationship.
BTS: "Music & Artists for and healing". They want to include the entire humanity in their fandom.
Thank you for being super attentive and open-minded and giving the boys a real shot! 💜🥺 It warms my heart to see folks like you putting in the effort to know more about them because trust me the MAJORITY of people only stereotypically view them as a shallow boyband who had their current success given to them on a golden plate. I've been an army for 6 long years and let me tell you, the stuff this video covered only scratches the surface of all the hate and atrocities that armys and bts had witnessed to date. If I had to compile all the accounts of the times people spewed hate and made racist/xenophobic comments at them, that video will go on for HOURS. The time period between late 2016-18 was the WORST. I once literally broke down and cried because of the stuff I witnessed; the sheer amount of hate was soo much that I could no longer hold my tears. The entire fandom was soo tired from trying our best to fight back, write emails after emails reporting haters to bighit and constantly protecting the boys from negative stuff because there was a shit show happening almost every other day. If you watch their "We are bulletproof part 2" MV you'll see them represent this through the animation. BTS at one point really thought a lot of armys would just grow tired of putting up and fighting back haters that they'll just decide to leave the fandom altogether but to their surprise, the majority stayed with them and the fandom only grew bigger and stronger. That's why the relationship and bond we have with BTS and vice versa is special and unlike any other celebrity-fandom relationship you'd come across.
Sorry for the rant. Just thank you, for your reaction. I really hope you continue to react to them. I highly, HIGHLY recommend the fanmade documentary series on youtube called "Rise of Bangtan" There is no better series that really introduces you to them and takes you through their entire journey starting day 1.
We sport BTS not only because of the great music but also because of their character and personality. we feel their kind and pure hearts and this is the difference between them and the rest of the artists, that they are themselves and have not changed. They are wonderful.💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
To answer your question during @18:38 it's not the idol groups. Maybe in some occasions, yes, but mostly it's the company behind the other groups who would sabotage others.
I really enjoyed this commentary video! Thank you so much!
They are so kind Forgive all people They have hearts as white as snow And they struggled a lot to become global they deserve better I love them so much Thank you for your love for them 💜🤗🤗
I never watched BTS's hardships before cause I knew it would break my heart. It feels really personal when someone talks bad about them. But today for the first time I took the courage to watch it. Even though I felt bad but I was also comforted by your reactions. Can't thank you enough for this video.
My peeps! I like your show. Not just because you’re talking about BTS, but I enjoy the smart dialogue and thoughtful discussions.
true, theres so much more thats happened since this video. thanks for the reaction!
I can't wait till you dig more into their older music, so many treasures
It’s so refreshing that you actually took an interest in BTS and not just labeled them as “girlish” or something else 🙌🏻
Really enjoy watching your reviews. Like that you have a lot of music knowledge and are fair and open-minded. Thanks for that.
Your sincerity is really respected. Thank you.
I became an army for their music. Their lyrics bring me the peace and confort I need, they are my home. Once I realized I was an army, I started studying their past and, watching this and some other documentals, that just enforced my proud of being called an army. I have nothing against the other artists, but I have everything against the fandoms.
Same
I'm glad BTS is stepping away and taking a break right now, they deserve it. 💜
On the contrary,they took that criticism seriously,thus CYPHER !!!!
Your question at 18:30 what I understand it to be in the most extreme situations is in some cases it is (not the actual groups) but their agencies using behind the scenes efforts and sometimes in conjunction with fandoms and media to YES try to sabotage. And why - what sense does this all make? For the agencies and media, the answer is given at 32:50. For the fandoms, there can be multiple reasons that don't make sense.
Now you know why ARMY is so protective of BTS. It's a bond that will never be broken.
You need to watch The Rise of Bangtan series. It's 21 Chapters but well worth your time.
unfortunately yes there is more to add to this video and hurts every time we hear negative comments but here we are Army and BTS till the end always a supporting each other…
This video has so much good information to clarify why ARMY is so protective of BTS, and it still only scratches the surface of the biggest, most visible issues. It goes on and on, and in the PETTIEST ways! Like -- there are literally people who will take time out of their day to pose as ARMY on Twitter or other social media, and send hate messages to other groups or journalists or youtubers... specifically to get them to think ARMY is some obsessive hate machine and to publish articles saying that or refuse to cover BTS's music, citing "crazy fans" as the reason. When I tell you how many times it has been uncovered WITH PROOF that people doing this were trolls or fans of other groups who wanted to defame BTS as if that will help their favorite groups... 🙄 I still cannot believe there are that many people with that kind of time and commitment to goofiness. But it literally works! We just got finished debunking articles and statements from journalists who got messages like that, and the fandom is constantly having to clear up misconceptions from youtubers or just simply regular people who refuse to listen to BTS because they heard this bs about the fans and half the time it's trolls. Who DOES that??
I watched like the quarter of the video and felt bad, and on the half of the video I stopped, cause I can’t just imagine in my head what they went through. Like, I could never. All BTS members are so strong, and I hope that army will always protect them
i love what Namjoon said during their tour in Vegas He said: "I see lot of talking about the Grammy's but, why give a shit about it? we didn't came to Vegas for the Grammys we came here for the ARMYS" where they performed 3 nights with sold out shows
it's the reason I just nodded my head when people say that ARMY is overprotective.. in my mind it's like, so you want another fandom come to protect our Bangtan.. Oh please go rent some brain for your own self...
The real ARMY never spreading hate to another group Idol, we just stand for Bangtan and thanks God, Karma also an ARMY 💜💜
While I do not consider myself an ARMY member and only discovered them in 2020 during the pandemic, I do really, really, really respect BTS. You might enjoy reacting to the live performance of "Born Singer" that I think made me respect this talented group of young men even more.
Thank y’all for taking the time to watch this. I love your reactions y’all are the best!💜
This sort of thing happens a lot. I don't know much about the kpop market as I'm fairly new to it myself but I specifically remember Beyonce, Taylor Swift, One Direction, etc. getting dragged on a regular basis, esp. Beyonce. The narrative now makes it seem like the Beygency is just this overprotective group of fans but they formed like that to try to protect her from all of the irrational hate she was getting. It's just like how the ARMY is for BTS.
BTS are role models who deal with adversity by maintaining their integrity, and refusing to take low shots at haters. Choosing revenge by success.