At first i thought this was gonna be a complaint video...thank god...im sick of youtubers like init bitching about every tiny detail they can find...its just like if you don't like it, leave
I was just thinking about searching up which is the best Fort Forinthry method to use for leveling construction. After getting 99 on my main before 2015, I'm glad these methods exist for my ironman
Construction is a hilariously outdated skill, but unlike some other similar skills (Firemaking), it's very complex with a lot of old code built on top of old code. In OSRS they decided very early on to revamp the back-end systems of construction - they even said in Q&As that this was a LOT of work, and that it was a "now or never" situation. But because they did it early on, it paid dividends later in the form it being among the most useful skills in that version and having QoL features that are missing from RS3 (rearranging and rotating rooms for one). Having a good POH is an excellent investment in that version, as it had many additions that help with PvM, teleports and other skills. Fort Forinthry is interesting because it was a way - IMO an experiment - to make Construction useful, but by completely bypassing the POH and breaking with the old convention of it being a pure money-sink skill (since you make your own planks in the Fort), which opened a lot of new design space for them to work with. Before Fort, it was unheard of to get anything Construction-related from quests, but now that the skill doesn't need to be a money sink nor mess with the POH code, they can work more updates around Construction. Really looking forward to see what they have planned for 110 Construction.
They should just add the few still useful things from POH to Fort (Namely Armor Stand/Workbench(for Irons or players that want to make their own Clockworks etc.) And anything else I may not have thought of but others may
You've also got the additional factor, as highlighted in rswillmissit's video on the Falador Massacre, that they've got to keep that bug from 2006 kept buried and not allowed to resurface, might add to the reason why they've not touched PoHs.
@@malicekooper Useful things from PoH, that's why PoH should be reworked.. or just > War hub = combat hub, Fort = main skilling hub, Skill guild for every single skill + PoH as your own house but connected to the fort & skill guilds. To explain my concept in short and clean and understandable as possible : Skill Guilds (imo) should be the main building to understand the skill, having a tutor, 99 master, 120 master in it. Many locations (kingdoms & areas) will have 1-2 guilds in it. Guilds will need attention from the very start, but will get more interesting, complex, challenging, ... the further and higher you get. PoH will be the main hub as a personal hub (could be a PoH II in made from scratch and at the end remove PoH I, or so). A huge Portal Room where a portal to the Fort is placed. Just like the Portal Room, the Fort will also have some options to create portals to your chosen guild for a specific skill or skills. The main center, where you have to invent, work alone, work with the community, work with npc's, ... About the skill guilds, you can also upgrade & modify them just like the buildings in your Fort. Unlock passive boosts, permanent/temporary, ... Choose what items you will place in your Guild, for certain effects, combo's, etc. Somehow similar like the (removed) osrs Kourend favour system, working in the Fort or in the skill guild will increase a personal and a community bar. Both bars will drop if nobody is focusing and so losing specific other unlocks. Unlike the Kourends system, you can't and shouldn't have the possibility to just farm 1 activity to get 100% > 100% will be slow to get, and the tutor, masters, can ask you certain tasks / spotlight certain activity in some specific area. Spotlighting could highlight some area which could be lower level and so xp > BUT will increase rate, resources, ... you need top upgrade and upkeep your guild, like the clan citadel. Also using older content and making the player visit 'dead' areas. Let's say you want to build a Slayer Guild > you will possible need stone, .. but this could be a ruin or a not released guild through a quest or so. Another example is a Woodcutting, which could make use of crafting, fletching, fm and wc skills to improve and upgrade. Resources can be found nearby. Smithing could make use of construction, mining, crafting to build the guild. So Guilds will need attention of other skills to improve and so need money, resources from any tier and amount. Some upkeep system and the personal/community bar which will drop if you are not focusing on (like Managing Miscellania) could make it more interesting, interactive and much more. At the end for this rough concept (have some documents I made), you can add and improve and so focus on a specific skill and/or the guild, which could also benefit or improve the guild system. Cooking Guild - Varrock Woodcutting Guild - Lost Grove (in Kourend in osrs) ...
Just started a blank Iron account. Only doing things at the fort for the quest to build it got me from 1-44 without building the other buildings yet. Its absurd how quick it is for early game levels, and here for it.
The only reason to train any skill is for the cape. Literally no skills are entertaining anymore except for combat when bossing. Mini games are dead, skills are just a grind for no reason. If only Jagex knew what fun was..
No skill in Runescape is entertaining outside bossing, quests, and minigames. Fletching at the bank in OSRS is entertaining? Mass producing summoning pouches at an obelisk entertaining? Doing awful runs for runecrafting entertaining? Dont kid yourself; runescape grind has never been fun or entertaining. But it is relaxing, and nice to do while occupied with something else. This goes for both OSRS and RS3. Though RS3 does a better job of letting you afk non-combat skills so you can focus on quests and PvM.
@@CrystronHalq Yeah but most RS3 players dont want to do that, because it takes effort. Most RS3 players find a lucrative money making method, and then buy their lvls by afk leveling at PoF or GE. Then they complain shit is boring. Ironman is way more fun and rewarding than base game, especially with the inflated economy. It's taken me a whole year to get all my ironman skills to lvl 75, because I took time to enjoy the game and discover what it has to offer. For better and worse, but I dont regret it.
When i was a wee lad first getting membership, Construction was far and away my favorite skill. I spent so many hours one summer break farming Shades of Morton, and a few years later, it was my 2nd 99, after about $130m of Mahogany Planks. I wish the POH kept up the the rest of Runescape, even if it really has to be completely reworked to get out of the 2006 vibe that plagues the whole instance.
It's interesting to see positive uplifting comments in the news update videos and then the negative hateful comments in these clickbait title videos. Its almost like jaded players/osrs trolls wait for their moment to strike. Great video though, very informative on the progression of such an old skill. Contracts should part of the construction daily IMO.
As someone who hates construction, I love the fort! I haven't been training it, but rather got up to level 86 from level 70 pretty quickly. Made all my own supplies from logs (unless the frames were cheaper), and did all the hotspots while being semi AFK. Great xp and not too laborious!
It would be awesome to see a breakdown of resources required to build all the frames for 99 con. Or just the total number of frames required and we can figure out the planks from there. As an ironman with LOTS of time to AFK, I'm imagining woodcutting my life away to gather all the logs needed to bust out 99 con in like 5 days.
Maybe, but Construction has always been fast xp, so can't really complain too much. You will level up very fast for click intensive training, so it's fair trade off.
The Jagex announcing the plans to take skills up to official 110 and eventually 120 all years down the line it would be cool to see a video talking about what skills you should be focusing on and what could be ignored. People who plan to do something like 120 all have to think about what to prioritize first but if some things are going to be made easier by the inclusion of new methods going up to 110 then things like agility, crafting, fishing, or cooking could be ignored until they have better methods (at least for irons). Hearing your idea of what skills could really use the better methods up to 120 would be a good video for Jagex to get some ideas and context for what needs improvements. For example if you factor all of the time it takes to get dragon stones, energy, gold, make necklaces, make porters, then use those porters to catch fish and manually cook, cooking on an iron is like under 70k xp/h in total. This means your best method would likely be to afk fish with bait and switch and have the shark outfit consume fish which is similar xp. At least for irons cooking could REALLY benefit from a self contained new method going up to 110. This is of course iron focused and I know you don't like focusing on that but with group iron coming out by the end of the year making more videos with an iron focus could benefit the channel as people will be searching for iron guides a LOT more.
Well if you are a main just prioritize all the Artisan skills, those are the ones that will give usable rewards outside of the skill. Gathering skills almost always serve no purpose other than to provide resources for the useful skill. Take the mining and smithing rework, and the herblore/farming rework. Farming doesn't give you anything useful outside of herblore. Mining doesn't give you anything useful outside of smithing. Irons however basically need to lvl gathering skills faster than artisan just to gather the resources.
Construction is the most in need of modernising like the POH etc. But Theiving is in need of new content / a rework the most. That may be controversial, let me explain, theiving is well implemented, and funner than DUNG / AGIL but it has no gameplay effect at all. Safecracking is just for pilfer points and gp, and pickpocketing is just for sellables. If you want more gp/hr you can afk slayer or something. I know its a easy source and or a good way for low level players to get money, but its only for members and also you don't really make money till prif etc. It could be good for f2ps, but most high money items it gives are members only area / item related, making them have to rework so much to accomodate. The next biggest issue is the lack of synergy between theiving and other skills. FM + WC + FSH gives easy food, SMTH + MIN gives melee gear etc, theiving is the only one without synergy. Hunter is close, but again you get an agility bonus and even then you get unique rewards, like skillchompas and pets. This would be my pipe-dream idea to rework it, it would be to create a new combat skill, that is "Assassin" or "Ninja" type and then theving can improve your stealth or create your sneaky armour etc. Then this would link it to another skill and make it have some synergy. Again i know it would never happen, even if it did it wouldnt before 15+ years, but this is just my silly little idea. No idea why I went on a tangent about Theiving, but thank you to anyone who read my dumb TedTalk. xD
I remember grinding like 2 levels with Driftwood prawnbroker and thinking "I'm not doing any more, even with Mahogany tables this will take a life time and destroy my wrist" so ended up just dumping XP stars and stuff from MTX into con, then waiting for DXP to stand in places like prif and using proteans on flatpacks stations
so lets just forget about the poh where it all started with in the first place.... why cant you ''reinforce'' your furniture this way? and why cant they add more usefull things to the poh like osrs did... + teleport to house on the 99 / 120 and soon 110 cape.
How is Construction a joke now? And you didnt even say construction is a joke in the video, or why it's bad currently. Click baity title.. It seems there's a lack of historical knowledge as to WHY construction exists to begin with, and why in RS3 it's a "joke". Construction was originally a money sink skill for rich folks in RS 2006 to encourage circulation of the economy, and add more utility to certain items. It would revolve around PoH, and the only benefit was the teleports and prayer altar. Fast forward to before the fort update, where you have this pointless skill meant for money sink, yet quests require this seemingly 'optional' skill. Especially for Ironmen, they'd have to farm up tons of gold just to sink it into construction. Introduce the fort, which has gave Construction more relevant utility, makes it easy to get into, ans haa a perfect balance of AFK/Active Grind for how little the skill brings. Couple that with fort benefits and buffs, and it's a relaxing skill to train. The issue is, they forgot to change the XP rates for PoH to match PoF, especially with how drastic the training methods are. But this waa the first step in modernizing construction, and honestly I like PoF over PoH. PoH should still exist for folks who want to customize a house and socialize, but by no means should it be necessary to train the skill and get benefits. However, PoH should yield more XP given how much of a money sink it is, and how more intensive it is in terms of training. The title should really say "PoH needs a rework", and reflect these construction rates and lack of PoH usage as reasons why. As an Ironman, Im glad Construction is the way it is, because in OSRS training construction is awful, and you only gain benefits from the altar, which takes high level construction. Im not gunna waste money and resources making goddamn toy horses.
You forget about Croesus. Not much if you're wanting to actively train Construction. However, overtime, its feasible as decent construction xp. And you make money from it!
Just opened this video... It gave me an ad for a shop for construction materials. "Practicer, we've got the solution!" Yeah I need 10000 more mahogany planks please.
A way to make construction training fun, have a 'hoard mode' where waves of enemies are attacking the fort, team members are constantly repairing the fort and reinforcing.The higher the waves the more loot, every 10th wave is a boss. Could maybe include cannons, clan war chest, queuing would be at Fort Forinthy. Better materials equals better fortification and the sky could be the limit on this.
Construction is the best it's been. Ever since it came out construction was a log sink from woodcutting with planks and a money sink with things like marble and gold leaves. That's the only purpose the skill had, with the only worthwhile rewards being prayer training, cheaper equipment repair, and endless teleports - which are no longer needed thanks to lodestones. All you really need is the prawnbroker and the armor stand. Altar hasn't been relevant since chaos altar gave the same buff and even more so when the wilderness was nerfed to no pvp and no threat system. Don't know why people have to defend and gatekeep finger breaking.
I came back in January on an old f2p-only account and got 90 construction from only fort forinthry. I tried to build an epic and useful house and I have no idea what I'm doing. So my house is still just an empty shell.
On one hand, i dont want Fort Forinthry downplayed. I love the cinstruction training there. On the other hand, we DESPERATELY need an innovative POH rework. POH is such a joke its not funny.
best decision I made was quitting RS3 and playing osrs. Haven't had this much fun in so long, and the feeling of satisfaction when hitting new milestones is something I haven't felt in rs3 in a long time.
But if you think about it, why would anyone train construction if not for a niche benefit. As an Iron it sure does show more use. But other than that, just make the skill usefull.
Yeah, that, hunter, and dungeoneering I find supremely limited in where you can train them... Though when I last returned to the game and hit big game hunter, hunting became my first 99 somehow!
Iron here... I can't think of a time when I actually was glad to have 99 construction other then 1.) for quest requirements, and 2.) faster Croesus statue building... Literally never use the house for anything. The skill and houses could just be removed from the game and nothing would change for me.
i just did 200m construction this last dxp and i went with brokers mainly due to the price, way cheaper to do brokers but obviously they arent wrist friendly however i will say that now with the master outfit and the fully upgraded plank box it was alot better than when i did brokers for 99 years ago. using the plank box and the master outfit for fast teles and auto remove furniture saved so many clicks and i was able to push 4-5m xp an hour with bxp and pulses on dxp and it wasnt that expensive :)
Proteans getting nerfed is actually a good thing. They should steer away more from afk methods being bis xp or near bis xp. Active methods should be the bis xp by a big margin of atleast 50 % of the best afk xp.
i really hope that with the skill max increases they either rework player owned housing or the entire skill as a whole. if it wasnt for the mediocre fort it would literally provide zero benefit training past arbitrary quest requirements
Cons is a skill with so much potential with the POH. Look at OSRS for example. Lodestones (basically all teleports) plus Wars Retreat basically is the POH. It is too late to shift all this into the POH I think but they really should rework it and make it useful, be it for whatever. Or you need to unlock things in the POH to use Wars Retreat etc properly. Although that might not be the right approach. The POH in RS3 is so outdated, you cant even shift built rooms and have to tear them down and build them new to do so. Please Jagex, rework the POH.
I've been playing this game off and on for some odd 20+ years now. Still don't care to get a skill to 99, I'm fairly certain I've never trained a skill to 99.
Construction is always been pathetic. Was the first skill that i questioned why i had to re do one item thousands of times lol the entire games has that problem but they know we are OCD
No point in afking construction as you get 900k xp/h doing mahogany tables at lvl 52 in my opinion, just do 1h daily ect and you will get 99 in just over 2 weeks
in my belief: Easier afk grind method should give you less xp, while click intensive ones should be the fastest xp for dedicated players considering time and effort they put
At this time im at 105 construction. With main training method being proteans. I still spend small fortune to make my POH really fancy. And finally get rid off all the fish eggs i had from fishing :D
Seems the game must revolve around optimal xp/hour or there will be riots Never used the method of removing/constructing furniture and used flatpacks instead, mainly due to golden rocks. Not sure why anyone sane enough would be doing this for 'xp gains™' Had the benefit of the beach/bandos and armadyl world event to train free xp construction If i remeber correctly someone said the fort brought a construction rework, which it is not
And osrs is "nothing profitable for anyone but pvpers and no lifers" I can make 150m an hour on rs3 and swap that for 10m osrs gp (roughly). Which is better than all but the top 2 osrs money makers. I can do a method for 1/4 of that and STILL come out better swapping than grinding out the gp on osrs. **why** would I ever want to spend 140 hours on something that's meant to be a hurdle, not gameplay?
Love this vids but isn’t it like 2.5m xp an hour doing normal con (unless an update has happened I don’t know about) so x3 quicker clicking is how 90% of people will do this afk is always nice but we have enough already
OSRS’s PoH additions were almost entirely things RS3 already had, and a lot of them worse than the RS3 variants. Meanwhile yes the Fort has numerous rewards tied to it, like a staggering amount. New slayer master and mobs, new T80 hatchet, Vorkath, improved bird nest loot, permanent increase to your slayer damage, a chance for you to instantly kill your slayer tasks, increased output when fletching there, a bunch of things condensed into one location most of which are RS3 unique but one thing that is understandable to an OSRS player is the ability to pay gp to hold your misc favor at 100%, and then also just a bunch of other convenient training spots and stuff again unique to RS3 like a ritual site for the necromancy skill.
Shhhhhh youre going to get construction changed we love our afkscape in no world should a game require that much work to gain a skilling level like it used to be.
Construction? Come on.. I came after 15 years break.. Mining became the most AFKable skil ever with just GOTE.. Agility? Just wear boots.. FIshing? Priff.. WC? Click and 5 min afk on elders.. etc etc..
The next graphical update should be for the trees, It's hard to look at them in the current state they're in, they all look pixilated, I want high quality trees, I would also like a day and night cycle and weather. I know not all of the trees are like that, but I can only zoom out so far before everything looks tiny. I'm also aware of the fact that having a day and night cycle plus a weather system might be asking too much, it would just make skilling a bit more interesting in my opinion, it would be nice to see the leaves rustle in the wind and the trees swaying when there's huge gusts of wind. It would be really cool if we had something similar to the weather channel with weather news for rs3, I feel like the game doesn't really have any life to it anymore, everything is all static, and our characters lack personality, and even the NPCs for that matter. I don't know, I could be bitching but really all I'm trying to do is give Jagex some new ideas to breathe more life into the game, make the world in rs3 feel real. Like when you cut down a tree, there should be an animation for it falling over and the branches bending and breaking and the leaves falling off, just wish this game had more of those things.
@@blazen123 Could also be my system honestly, I built it in 2021, and I paid 1150$ for it, built it myself, so maybe I need to upgrade some things, I have a Ryzen 5 3600 cpu and a rx 5600 xt 6gb gpu and 32gb of Corsair Vengeance 3600Mhz ram.
@@chronotrigger2000 theres a new option from just a few days ago that added an ultra+ graphics preset if most trees dont look good to you i think youve got other issues. also they do often have leaves falling on occasion
@@blazen123 Well I jumped on and changed some settings and they look fine, it's not that big of a deal really, I've been getting bored with it and so I hardly play it these days. Lately what I've been playing is Diablo IV, and occasionally I'll play American Truck Simulator. Diablo IV has gotten the most attention lately.
But how much materials are needed for 1-99 and then 99-120? Have a ton of magic logs just sitting in bank, and I’ve been off and on turning them into magic frames. How many magic frames would I need for Tier 3 kitchen for 120 construction? I already have made off and on about 400 magic frames and still have 28k magic logs Have 99 construction and want to get 120.
Yeah I get it. People get all nostalgic for how difficult it was back in the day, but it’s kind of nice that I can get more than one 99 now. I have a job and a mortgage now man, I don’t have the time to sweat it out for 100 hours a week.
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I think construction is way better off as it is like this. No one wants to break their fingers playing a videogame...
Ikr? 😅
At first i thought this was gonna be a complaint video...thank god...im sick of youtubers like init bitching about every tiny detail they can find...its just like if you don't like it, leave
I was just thinking about searching up which is the best Fort Forinthry method to use for leveling construction. After getting 99 on my main before 2015, I'm glad these methods exist for my ironman
rs3 mentality >.> want all the reward for none of the grind
Did you ever play osrs..?
Every time I walk into my house I’m reminded how old and neglected construction is by the old style magic trees in my garden.
Construction is a hilariously outdated skill, but unlike some other similar skills (Firemaking), it's very complex with a lot of old code built on top of old code.
In OSRS they decided very early on to revamp the back-end systems of construction - they even said in Q&As that this was a LOT of work, and that it was a "now or never" situation. But because they did it early on, it paid dividends later in the form it being among the most useful skills in that version and having QoL features that are missing from RS3 (rearranging and rotating rooms for one). Having a good POH is an excellent investment in that version, as it had many additions that help with PvM, teleports and other skills.
Fort Forinthry is interesting because it was a way - IMO an experiment - to make Construction useful, but by completely bypassing the POH and breaking with the old convention of it being a pure money-sink skill (since you make your own planks in the Fort), which opened a lot of new design space for them to work with. Before Fort, it was unheard of to get anything Construction-related from quests, but now that the skill doesn't need to be a money sink nor mess with the POH code, they can work more updates around Construction. Really looking forward to see what they have planned for 110 Construction.
They should just add the few still useful things from POH to Fort (Namely Armor Stand/Workbench(for Irons or players that want to make their own Clockworks etc.) And anything else I may not have thought of but others may
@@malicekooper Very useful ones are things like armour case and cape rack, but they can easily fit those in elsewhere
@@stijndcl yeah the whole costume room is useful if you want to keep quest armors around and not take space in bank etc.
You've also got the additional factor, as highlighted in rswillmissit's video on the Falador Massacre, that they've got to keep that bug from 2006 kept buried and not allowed to resurface, might add to the reason why they've not touched PoHs.
@@malicekooper Useful things from PoH, that's why PoH should be reworked.. or just > War hub = combat hub, Fort = main skilling hub, Skill guild for every single skill + PoH as your own house but connected to the fort & skill guilds.
To explain my concept in short and clean and understandable as possible :
Skill Guilds (imo) should be the main building to understand the skill, having a tutor, 99 master, 120 master in it. Many locations (kingdoms & areas) will have 1-2 guilds in it. Guilds will need attention from the very start, but will get more interesting, complex, challenging, ... the further and higher you get.
PoH will be the main hub as a personal hub (could be a PoH II in made from scratch and at the end remove PoH I, or so). A huge Portal Room where a portal to the Fort is placed. Just like the Portal Room, the Fort will also have some options to create portals to your chosen guild for a specific skill or skills. The main center, where you have to invent, work alone, work with the community, work with npc's, ...
About the skill guilds, you can also upgrade & modify them just like the buildings in your Fort. Unlock passive boosts, permanent/temporary, ... Choose what items you will place in your Guild, for certain effects, combo's, etc.
Somehow similar like the (removed) osrs Kourend favour system, working in the Fort or in the skill guild will increase a personal and a community bar. Both bars will drop if nobody is focusing and so losing specific other unlocks. Unlike the Kourends system, you can't and shouldn't have the possibility to just farm 1 activity to get 100% > 100% will be slow to get, and the tutor, masters, can ask you certain tasks / spotlight certain activity in some specific area.
Spotlighting could highlight some area which could be lower level and so xp > BUT will increase rate, resources, ... you need top upgrade and upkeep your guild, like the clan citadel. Also using older content and making the player visit 'dead' areas.
Let's say you want to build a Slayer Guild > you will possible need stone, .. but this could be a ruin or a not released guild through a quest or so. Another example is a Woodcutting, which could make use of crafting, fletching, fm and wc skills to improve and upgrade. Resources can be found nearby. Smithing could make use of construction, mining, crafting to build the guild.
So Guilds will need attention of other skills to improve and so need money, resources from any tier and amount. Some upkeep system and the personal/community bar which will drop if you are not focusing on (like Managing Miscellania) could make it more interesting, interactive and much more.
At the end for this rough concept (have some documents I made), you can add and improve and so focus on a specific skill and/or the guild, which could also benefit or improve the guild system.
Cooking Guild - Varrock
Woodcutting Guild - Lost Grove (in Kourend in osrs)
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Man I remember getting 99 con back in 09 building 10,000s of oak doors...
Just started a blank Iron account. Only doing things at the fort for the quest to build it got me from 1-44 without building the other buildings yet. Its absurd how quick it is for early game levels, and here for it.
The only reason to train any skill is for the cape. Literally no skills are entertaining anymore except for combat when bossing. Mini games are dead, skills are just a grind for no reason. If only Jagex knew what fun was..
i agree, if it has nothing to do with combat, it's silly, idc if you get 99 in it in 10 mins
What about ironmen? They need those skills too progress their character
No skill in Runescape is entertaining outside bossing, quests, and minigames. Fletching at the bank in OSRS is entertaining? Mass producing summoning pouches at an obelisk entertaining? Doing awful runs for runecrafting entertaining? Dont kid yourself; runescape grind has never been fun or entertaining. But it is relaxing, and nice to do while occupied with something else. This goes for both OSRS and RS3. Though RS3 does a better job of letting you afk non-combat skills so you can focus on quests and PvM.
@@CrystronHalq Yeah but most RS3 players dont want to do that, because it takes effort. Most RS3 players find a lucrative money making method, and then buy their lvls by afk leveling at PoF or GE. Then they complain shit is boring. Ironman is way more fun and rewarding than base game, especially with the inflated economy. It's taken me a whole year to get all my ironman skills to lvl 75, because I took time to enjoy the game and discover what it has to offer. For better and worse, but I dont regret it.
You are playing a MMORPG, time spent=content.
When i was a wee lad first getting membership, Construction was far and away my favorite skill. I spent so many hours one summer break farming Shades of Morton, and a few years later, it was my 2nd 99, after about $130m of Mahogany Planks. I wish the POH kept up the the rest of Runescape, even if it really has to be completely reworked to get out of the 2006 vibe that plagues the whole instance.
I just wish we could get a sims-like system for construction so people could actually make unique and good looking homes.
It's interesting to see positive uplifting comments in the news update videos and then the negative hateful comments in these clickbait title videos. Its almost like jaded players/osrs trolls wait for their moment to strike.
Great video though, very informative on the progression of such an old skill. Contracts should part of the construction daily IMO.
As someone who hates construction, I love the fort! I haven't been training it, but rather got up to level 86 from level 70 pretty quickly. Made all my own supplies from logs (unless the frames were cheaper), and did all the hotspots while being semi AFK. Great xp and not too laborious!
It would be awesome to see a breakdown of resources required to build all the frames for 99 con. Or just the total number of frames required and we can figure out the planks from there. As an ironman with LOTS of time to AFK, I'm imagining woodcutting my life away to gather all the logs needed to bust out 99 con in like 5 days.
the only reason people hated training construction was by how focused and click intensive it was you couldnt do long sessions
Maybe, but Construction has always been fast xp, so can't really complain too much. You will level up very fast for click intensive training, so it's fair trade off.
@@1God1Fury IF YOU WANT click intensive stuff go to osrs, rs3 is about quick skilling to get to bossing.
love you for making that xp/hr list. using it to get 99 on my hc
Good luck!
The Jagex announcing the plans to take skills up to official 110 and eventually 120 all years down the line it would be cool to see a video talking about what skills you should be focusing on and what could be ignored. People who plan to do something like 120 all have to think about what to prioritize first but if some things are going to be made easier by the inclusion of new methods going up to 110 then things like agility, crafting, fishing, or cooking could be ignored until they have better methods (at least for irons). Hearing your idea of what skills could really use the better methods up to 120 would be a good video for Jagex to get some ideas and context for what needs improvements. For example if you factor all of the time it takes to get dragon stones, energy, gold, make necklaces, make porters, then use those porters to catch fish and manually cook, cooking on an iron is like under 70k xp/h in total. This means your best method would likely be to afk fish with bait and switch and have the shark outfit consume fish which is similar xp. At least for irons cooking could REALLY benefit from a self contained new method going up to 110. This is of course iron focused and I know you don't like focusing on that but with group iron coming out by the end of the year making more videos with an iron focus could benefit the channel as people will be searching for iron guides a LOT more.
Well if you are a main just prioritize all the Artisan skills, those are the ones that will give usable rewards outside of the skill. Gathering skills almost always serve no purpose other than to provide resources for the useful skill.
Take the mining and smithing rework, and the herblore/farming rework.
Farming doesn't give you anything useful outside of herblore. Mining doesn't give you anything useful outside of smithing.
Irons however basically need to lvl gathering skills faster than artisan just to gather the resources.
Construction is the most in need of modernising like the POH etc.
But Theiving is in need of new content / a rework the most. That may be controversial, let me explain, theiving is well implemented, and funner than DUNG / AGIL but it has no gameplay effect at all. Safecracking is just for pilfer points and gp, and pickpocketing is just for sellables. If you want more gp/hr you can afk slayer or something. I know its a easy source and or a good way for low level players to get money, but its only for members and also you don't really make money till prif etc. It could be good for f2ps, but most high money items it gives are members only area / item related, making them have to rework so much to accomodate. The next biggest issue is the lack of synergy between theiving and other skills. FM + WC + FSH gives easy food, SMTH + MIN gives melee gear etc, theiving is the only one without synergy. Hunter is close, but again you get an agility bonus and even then you get unique rewards, like skillchompas and pets.
This would be my pipe-dream idea to rework it, it would be to create a new combat skill, that is "Assassin" or "Ninja" type and then theving can improve your stealth or create your sneaky armour etc. Then this would link it to another skill and make it have some synergy. Again i know it would never happen, even if it did it wouldnt before 15+ years, but this is just my silly little idea. No idea why I went on a tangent about Theiving, but thank you to anyone who read my dumb TedTalk. xD
I'm glad I got the elite construction outfit and finished the fort before the protean plank nerf.
Great vid! Whatwould you recommend from 99-120? Thanks
I remember grinding like 2 levels with Driftwood prawnbroker and thinking "I'm not doing any more, even with Mahogany tables this will take a life time and destroy my wrist" so ended up just dumping XP stars and stuff from MTX into con, then waiting for DXP to stand in places like prif and using proteans on flatpacks stations
so lets just forget about the poh where it all started with in the first place.... why cant you ''reinforce'' your furniture this way? and why cant they add more usefull things to the poh like osrs did... + teleport to house on the 99 / 120 and soon 110 cape.
I remember remaking oak larders and mahogany tables in my PoH as training.
There's not going to be a 110 cape lol. All skills are going to go to 120 they're just trying to extend their list of content by starting with 99-110
Because there is no community in this game anymore
Been avoiding afking cause i thought the rates would be horrible, definitely gonna go do that now. Great stuff as always, keep up the good work!!
How is Construction a joke now? And you didnt even say construction is a joke in the video, or why it's bad currently. Click baity title..
It seems there's a lack of historical knowledge as to WHY construction exists to begin with, and why in RS3 it's a "joke". Construction was originally a money sink skill for rich folks in RS 2006 to encourage circulation of the economy, and add more utility to certain items. It would revolve around PoH, and the only benefit was the teleports and prayer altar.
Fast forward to before the fort update, where you have this pointless skill meant for money sink, yet quests require this seemingly 'optional' skill. Especially for Ironmen, they'd have to farm up tons of gold just to sink it into construction.
Introduce the fort, which has gave Construction more relevant utility, makes it easy to get into, ans haa a perfect balance of AFK/Active Grind for how little the skill brings. Couple that with fort benefits and buffs, and it's a relaxing skill to train.
The issue is, they forgot to change the XP rates for PoH to match PoF, especially with how drastic the training methods are. But this waa the first step in modernizing construction, and honestly I like PoF over PoH. PoH should still exist for folks who want to customize a house and socialize, but by no means should it be necessary to train the skill and get benefits.
However, PoH should yield more XP given how much of a money sink it is, and how more intensive it is in terms of training.
The title should really say "PoH needs a rework", and reflect these construction rates and lack of PoH usage as reasons why. As an Ironman, Im glad Construction is the way it is, because in OSRS training construction is awful, and you only gain benefits from the altar, which takes high level construction. Im not gunna waste money and resources making goddamn toy horses.
You forget about Croesus. Not much if you're wanting to actively train Construction. However, overtime, its feasible as decent construction xp. And you make money from it!
Just opened this video... It gave me an ad for a shop for construction materials. "Practicer, we've got the solution!" Yeah I need 10000 more mahogany planks please.
A way to make construction training fun, have a 'hoard mode' where waves of enemies are attacking the fort, team members are constantly repairing the fort and reinforcing.The higher the waves the more loot, every 10th wave is a boss.
Could maybe include cannons, clan war chest, queuing would be at Fort Forinthy. Better materials equals better fortification and the sky could be the limit on this.
Do you think Shades of Mort'ton is fun? Because most people would say no, and that's almost exactly what you described.
Construction is the best it's been.
Ever since it came out construction was a log sink from woodcutting with planks and a money sink with things like marble and gold leaves.
That's the only purpose the skill had, with the only worthwhile rewards being prayer training, cheaper equipment repair, and endless teleports - which are no longer needed thanks to lodestones.
All you really need is the prawnbroker and the armor stand. Altar hasn't been relevant since chaos altar gave the same buff and even more so when the wilderness was nerfed to no pvp and no threat system.
Don't know why people have to defend and gatekeep finger breaking.
I came back in January on an old f2p-only account and got 90 construction from only fort forinthry. I tried to build an epic and useful house and I have no idea what I'm doing. So my house is still just an empty shell.
On one hand, i dont want Fort Forinthry downplayed. I love the cinstruction training there.
On the other hand, we DESPERATELY need an innovative POH rework. POH is such a joke its not funny.
I did prawnbrokers to 120 and fort to 200M. The afkness of fort was much appreciated but did seem a bit excessively afk.
How much did it cost?
Promoting some 2x slower method and making fuss when u can just watch movies and train it normaly with mouse keys.
I bought 100k flatpacks hoping one day they do something with them and i make bank
only 100k?
best decision I made was quitting RS3 and playing osrs. Haven't had this much fun in so long, and the feeling of satisfaction when hitting new milestones is something I haven't felt in rs3 in a long time.
I got to 99 when the only way to train it was sending your butler to the bank for more planks to build/destroy your table....
Better than the old meta of going to the beach to get 1-99 construction for complete free by afking an MTX event.
But if you think about it, why would anyone train construction if not for a niche benefit. As an Iron it sure does show more use. But other than that, just make the skill usefull.
Yeah, that, hunter, and dungeoneering I find supremely limited in where you can train them...
Though when I last returned to the game and hit big game hunter, hunting became my first 99 somehow!
@@rabidchoco1dung only has one place to be trained and that’s THE HOLE
Iron here... I can't think of a time when I actually was glad to have 99 construction other then 1.) for quest requirements, and 2.) faster Croesus statue building... Literally never use the house for anything. The skill and houses could just be removed from the game and nothing would change for me.
i just did 200m construction this last dxp and i went with brokers mainly due to the price, way cheaper to do brokers but obviously they arent wrist friendly however i will say that now with the master outfit and the fully upgraded plank box it was alot better than when i did brokers for 99 years ago. using the plank box and the master outfit for fast teles and auto remove furniture saved so many clicks and i was able to push 4-5m xp an hour with bxp and pulses on dxp and it wasnt that expensive :)
ah, i love the way protoxx explains things
Proteans getting nerfed is actually a good thing. They should steer away more from afk methods being bis xp or near bis xp. Active methods should be the bis xp by a big margin of atleast 50 % of the best afk xp.
i really hope that with the skill max increases they either rework player owned housing or the entire skill as a whole. if it wasnt for the mediocre fort it would literally provide zero benefit training past arbitrary quest requirements
Oak dungeon doors with sacred clay hammers.
Good times.
um every skill is a sht joke? they blasting afk methods or any exp boots every damn minute
Everything is a joke in 2024. 200m is easier than 1 to 99 back in the old days
Cons is a skill with so much potential with the POH. Look at OSRS for example. Lodestones (basically all teleports) plus Wars Retreat basically is the POH. It is too late to shift all this into the POH I think but they really should rework it and make it useful, be it for whatever. Or you need to unlock things in the POH to use Wars Retreat etc properly. Although that might not be the right approach. The POH in RS3 is so outdated, you cant even shift built rooms and have to tear them down and build them new to do so. Please Jagex, rework the POH.
I hardly lvld construction like this. I was a part of the frame for profit gang. Made in the billions
I've been playing this game off and on for some odd 20+ years now. Still don't care to get a skill to 99, I'm fairly certain I've never trained a skill to 99.
I'm not in favor of carpal tunnel syndrome. I'm glad it isn't required anymore.
I started rs3 only a few days ago and I already have 78 construction from Fort Forinthyr.
Fuuuk I remember when this skill was released. Good gourd were plants and logs immediately expensive
It makes me sad how hard I worked to max, I could’ve gained an actual skill. Oh well.
Can make a buttload of GP with construction these days though
I love the Mohagany homes update in OSRS... Is it too much to ask for in RS3?
we already have had it for a long time. its just less useful and moderately more bothersome here
@@blazen123 oh wow lol
Construction is always been pathetic. Was the first skill that i questioned why i had to re do one item thousands of times lol the entire games has that problem but they know we are OCD
No point in afking construction as you get 900k xp/h doing mahogany tables at lvl 52 in my opinion, just do 1h daily ect and you will get 99 in just over 2 weeks
I'm a returning player, and the other day I saw a guy with no 99s but 1. Construction, and he had it at 120. Now I know why 😂
I'm at 108 now, don't think I'll make it to 120 any time soon. My god, it costs so much.
protoxx is madder than ever in 2024
new vid coming up HAHA
i have 550k maho planks that i cant sell off without incurring loss. i'm hoping this video brings the prices up
turn them into frames xD its gonna take a while butt you'll profit
construction seems like one of those skills where you get max level then never need to do it again. that being said, the easier the grind the better,
in my belief: Easier afk grind method should give you less xp, while click intensive ones should be the fastest xp for dedicated players considering time and effort they put
I just came here after watching Gielenor Games new episode and OSRS has the best content creators ever
At this time im at 105 construction. With main training method being proteans. I still spend small fortune to make my POH really fancy. And finally get rid off all the fish eggs i had from fishing :D
There was always Demonic Thrones
I need to abuse this method before jagex magically ruins it
already hit 200m years ago. 😅 And yes, carpal tunnel syndrome did happen.
Seems the game must revolve around optimal xp/hour or there will be riots
Never used the method of removing/constructing furniture and used flatpacks instead, mainly due to golden rocks. Not sure why anyone sane enough would be doing this for 'xp gains™'
Had the benefit of the beach/bandos and armadyl world event to train free xp construction
If i remeber correctly someone said the fort brought a construction rework, which it is not
And osrs is "nothing profitable for anyone but pvpers and no lifers"
I can make 150m an hour on rs3 and swap that for 10m osrs gp (roughly). Which is better than all but the top 2 osrs money makers.
I can do a method for 1/4 of that and STILL come out better swapping than grinding out the gp on osrs.
**why** would I ever want to spend 140 hours on something that's meant to be a hurdle, not gameplay?
Love this vids but isn’t it like 2.5m xp an hour doing normal con (unless an update has happened I don’t know about) so x3 quicker clicking is how 90% of people will do this afk is always nice but we have enough already
I got either 101 or 102 construction by upgrading fort forinthry
There needs to be a comp re work of construction. Houses are dead
Hows the new boss?
Yet is the POH... more useful.. then the one you can get in OSRS? :I
Nothing in the house that couldn't also be added to Fort Forinthy (Costume room /Armor stand/Workbench/Aquarium )
OSRS’s PoH additions were almost entirely things RS3 already had, and a lot of them worse than the RS3 variants.
Meanwhile yes the Fort has numerous rewards tied to it, like a staggering amount. New slayer master and mobs, new T80 hatchet, Vorkath, improved bird nest loot, permanent increase to your slayer damage, a chance for you to instantly kill your slayer tasks, increased output when fletching there, a bunch of things condensed into one location most of which are RS3 unique but one thing that is understandable to an OSRS player is the ability to pay gp to hold your misc favor at 100%, and then also just a bunch of other convenient training spots and stuff again unique to RS3 like a ritual site for the necromancy skill.
I have 120 purely because I’m a carpenter for a living and it’s the most unrewarding and dead skill 😢
Its a useless skill so why make it slow. It needs more than a rework.
Shhhhhh youre going to get construction changed we love our afkscape in no world should a game require that much work to gain a skilling level like it used to be.
Jagex fall off will be studied!
Construction in OSRS gave me carpel tunnel 😂
Got 99 construction and never once went to my POH 😅
I mean.. i used proteans 🤷♂️
I got 99 con doing 1.5k croesus kills on the iron. Good money and free xp.
I GOT 200m on prawnbrokers in my POH man I couldve just waited...
Is this better than construction contracts?
at 117 rn. Been a grind
Construction? Come on.. I came after 15 years break.. Mining became the most AFKable skil ever with just GOTE.. Agility? Just wear boots.. FIshing? Priff.. WC? Click and 5 min afk on elders.. etc etc..
Wellcome to AFKscape
I like it though, it's less worthless and can earn money for a change
Still not looking forward to 110 construction if they do it this year.
less clicks is better bro, tf is up with people wanting to click on the same shit for hundreds of hours
The next graphical update should be for the trees, It's hard to look at them in the current state they're in, they all look pixilated, I want high quality trees, I would also like a day and night cycle and weather. I know not all of the trees are like that, but I can only zoom out so far before everything looks tiny. I'm also aware of the fact that having a day and night cycle plus a weather system might be asking too much, it would just make skilling a bit more interesting in my opinion, it would be nice to see the leaves rustle in the wind and the trees swaying when there's huge gusts of wind. It would be really cool if we had something similar to the weather channel with weather news for rs3, I feel like the game doesn't really have any life to it anymore, everything is all static, and our characters lack personality, and even the NPCs for that matter. I don't know, I could be bitching but really all I'm trying to do is give Jagex some new ideas to breathe more life into the game, make the world in rs3 feel real. Like when you cut down a tree, there should be an animation for it falling over and the branches bending and breaking and the leaves falling off, just wish this game had more of those things.
dude most trees are strangely wonderful quality. i think you just have your graphics settings down
@@blazen123 Could also be my system honestly, I built it in 2021, and I paid 1150$ for it, built it myself, so maybe I need to upgrade some things, I have a Ryzen 5 3600 cpu and a rx 5600 xt 6gb gpu and 32gb of Corsair Vengeance 3600Mhz ram.
@@blazen123 I also have everything set pretty high too so, I'll fiddle around with the settings.
@@chronotrigger2000 theres a new option from just a few days ago that added an ultra+ graphics preset if most trees dont look good to you i think youve got other issues. also they do often have leaves falling on occasion
@@blazen123 Well I jumped on and changed some settings and they look fine, it's not that big of a deal really, I've been getting bored with it and so I hardly play it these days. Lately what I've been playing is Diablo IV, and occasionally I'll play American Truck Simulator. Diablo IV has gotten the most attention lately.
ahahaha 360m, thats like 20 bucks protoxx, come on man. Lol.
thank you so much for this video
the last dxp I got 99c I just buy a lot of Mahogany planks and workbench 😂 that's all so that's one brb skill finish
110 construction needs to be a hit
But how much materials are needed for 1-99 and then 99-120?
Have a ton of magic logs just sitting in bank, and I’ve been off and on turning them into magic frames.
How many magic frames would I need for Tier 3 kitchen for 120 construction? I already have made off and on about 400 magic frames and still have 28k magic logs
Have 99 construction and want to get 120.
Why would you want Construction to be a horrible grind when the skill is dead lol
Gielinor Games anyone?
Where’s my peace 😢
RuneScape is a time sink.
Honestly everyone needs to stop crying. Personally 10-20 hours is how long it should take to max each level so this is fine
Yeah I get it. People get all nostalgic for how difficult it was back in the day, but it’s kind of nice that I can get more than one 99 now. I have a job and a mortgage now man, I don’t have the time to sweat it out for 100 hours a week.
can we get a 99/120 at forts xd?
yeees plz keep shitting on rs3 so jagex can finally just put 100% of its resources into osrs
Jagex is amazing at constructing lies.
How many clicks with a credit card? 😂
14
All skills are a joke in 2024, thanks Jagex!
I just did Croesus to 99 lol
got some frames to sell from the fail merch mate?