Anakin's Important Lesson - Ahsoka Ep 5 Review
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- Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
- Breaking down and reviewing episode 5 of Ahsoka, Shadow Warrior
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It's KotOR 2's "Apathy is death" scene all over again. And I love it!
My favorite non-jedi sage from non-star wars media once said "patience is fine, but it can curdle into apathy." Ahsoka has been in this fight for nearly her entire life, and without closure or guidance she started walking down a dark path in order to avoid the mistakes she saw her master make, but also because she didn't have many other examples to follow. Anakin's favoring of martial aspects of the jedi training combined with disinterest in or inability to connect to more spiritual force mysteries left her training incomplete, so seeing her solve these dilemmas she has been facing since the beginning of the series through nonviolent applications of the force (the echoes and communication with nature) really outlines that lesson for me. The episode wouldn't have felt complete without that demonstration.
You summed up my thoughts on the episode and interpretation of the flashbacks perfectly. I saw the flashback as Ahsoka's version of the Luke's experience in the cave on Dagobah, with a message that by focusing on the fight and seeing victory as only achieved with a kill, the end result being a fall to the dark side. For me, while this is a lesson for Ahsoka personally I also think it is a commentary on the fate of the Jedi. The end of the fight looked a lot like the end of Anakin's fight with Dooku, where Palps encouraged Anakin to "win" by killing his defeated. Pals made the options look like kill or die, the same choice he presented to the entire Jedi Order through the Clone Wars. The Jedi, like Anakin, didn't examine the choice and that failure led to the downfall of both. In the flashback, we see Ahsoka asking that exact question from the first battle of the war to the last, and we saw her "choose to live" in her reaction to Order 66. "We are part of a legacy" partly refers to Anakin's legacy as the apprentice of Palps, and THAT legacy, of unquestioning acceptance of the choice presented by the Sith, is part of what she has to break.
They did make a mistake in not taking the three X-Wings on the long jump. X-Wings are a bit like the Force in Star Wars, one will eventually shoot whatever the big bad thing is.
At least Hera didn't lead them to another slaughter a la Rebels Season 4.
Maybe Jacen will just show up in an xwing/pergilll and be like "I snuck out" the way kids do in shows.
I'm still not... enjoying the show as much as I want to, but your commentary on it makes me appreciate it more, and makes me think maybe I should give it another try. Thanks Corey.
Anakin carries whatever he appears in tbh
I do appreciate this insight, because I honestly struggled with the episode, not just being confused at what the Anakin stuff being conveyed was and what it meant for Ahsoka, but also I feel like the series is moving quite slowly? Like, I feel like you could've slimmed down some of the scenes here TBH. Having the second half of the ep basically just be "how do we get to Sabine?" kinda slowed it down a lot for me. I still think it's fine and all, but after also finding last week's ep kind of slow despite everyone else seeming to love even with big moments that I feel should've hit me harder than they did, it has kind of made this middle of the season a bit of a slog for me. When I realised I didn't feel anything strong about Ahsoka donning the white garb, I knew something was just off for me.
This video has probably come the closest to helping me understand what was probably intended though, and actually explaining things, so props to that!
Great breakdown Corey
I'll be honest, my expectations are low for this show, but there are two things so far that have actually impressed me - Baylan and his apprentice (yea, she's cute, but also she looks the part of a dark force apprentice, acts it as well. She's sadistic and deranged. But Baylan is cold, calculating, methodical. HE is in control, and she is HIS apprentice. ) The other thing, have been the Anakin/Vader visuals from Ep 5, those were just absolutely fucking spot on in a way I didn't think Disney Star Wars could even do anymore. The Vader Scene in Rogue One was impressive. And while not as brutal and visceral, the way they shot, framed, composed, etc... the Anakin/Vader issue here was absolutely fucking phenomenally well done. While I still think Andor overall is the superior Disney Star Wars, and bits of Ahsoka have felt both lacking and actually moronic, the choreography between Ahoska and Baylan, as well as Ep 5's Anakin/Vader bit just actually slapped me (in a good way.) They didn't quite go back to Prequel levels of flipping-lightsaberspinning b.s., but they found a healthy and visually nice balance between originals and the prequels.
100% agree. Lack of Baylan and Shin really dissapointed me but seeing Anakin/Vader always cheers me up (especially in live action). If the dark side is bad why it's so cool. ;D
Curious if the next episode will be a full Sabine side. I was surprised they did absolutely no b plot with her.
I took the lesson to mean that she, as a Jedi, had only been a warrior or soldier, not an actual Jedi monk-priests. I think Sabine having non-combat Force abilities would work nicely in that regard
For me personally Ahsoka is the best thing that has ever happened to starwars since Disney took over. It was defiantly a mediocre start but things got better with episode 3 and then Dave Filoni crushed it with episodes 4 and 5. great lightsaber fights, great character development, great plot/storyline. really excited to see what we got awaiting us in episodes 6, 7, and 8.
Really great analysis of this interaction between master and student. It’s great to see some writing with some level of nuance instead of the completely ham fisted: the good guys are always good until they’re not but really they were good the whole time and the bad guys are always comically irredeemably evil, type of writing that is so prevalent these days. The really verbose insight also gives me hope that writers will see it and realize that maybe the average fan can handle at least some level of nuance in a story.
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I'm so confused with the message anakin says live or die then explains if u want to live then u must fight. Ahsoka then continues to express her dislike of fighting cuz she doesnt like war or she wants have a life I guess, but anakin doesn't like that so he turns to vader and threatens her to choose. So she chooses to live and fight and decides against killing him. So I guess the message is "fight to live, but also don't be evil." Excellent writing.....
Just because you don't understand the reasoning behind the lesson or lack the emotional maturity to understand the lesson in the first place doesn't mean the writing is bad. Stop hating
@PrinceAmin. I'd like to hear ur interpretation of the lesson cuz I've heard like 5 completely different takes, which shows me that everyone is just as confused as I am lol and for good reason. The line live or die is the lesson, but ahsoka chooses to not kill anakin which is like a lesson of don't go too far? And then we also had a random other problem about anakins legacy. So live or die, don't kill the defenseless even if they commit jedi genocide, and also anakins legacy is not bad I guess??????
@@CvntyPrincethat's not really hating. He's asking what it is
I don't think the writing made very clear what the lesson was. At least to me...
Yeah i felt really lost in what i was supposed to take away from that whole sequence personally.
It wasn’t, I suppose there’s something here but it’s not conveyed as well it could’ve been (also fuck the episode has some contrived moments, more so than the other episodes)
Personally I don’t think they leaned into ahsoka’s fear of tuning into Anakin as much as they could have. In the episode it feels like they’re trying to deal with a crisis of faith from Ahsoka where I don’t feel like she ever really expressed that fear aside from Mando season 2. I know that’s what they were trying to get at with ahsoka having abandoned Sabine, but the whole interaction between them really doesn’t lend itself to that
I wasn't aware that Asohka was trying to be like Anakin, and wasn't just responding to the pressures around her.
I also don't agree that Asohka was trying to turn Sabine into a weapon, as Asohka is just responding to Sabine's desire to learn, and focusing mostly on force affinity anyway. Sabine is just a weapon already, being a Mandalorian.
When I saw this episode, it just struck me as episode 3 again with more fan service.
In the clone wars there was defintly the notion that ahsoka is so unruly because anakin is too.
@@TheEnecca Yeah, see: I haven't seen the cartoons. Maybe this is one of those things where I would have gotten it if I had.
Is less that she was *trying* to be like him than that she was afraid she was going to be like him, and that fear became a bit of a vicious cycle
Still apathetic, bummed there's no Multiversal worldline stuff as deliciously hinted, the CWMMP is once again undignifiably ignored, will just leave a like for the channel's sake.
They rly don’t need to add stuff like that, just keep it to fanfic stuff
where were the hints for some multiverse?
There really weren't