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I worked (as project manager) for one of Fincantier's subcontractor. We built the machine that was used to put together the hull, we built the welding system and we built all the hatch... AMANOX (the anti magnetic steel used) is a bitch to weld, worse than stainless steel and titanium. this is the best job I have ever done... and I still have some of the original drawings.
The largest vulnerability of the World War II diesel-electric submarines was the fact they had to surface to run their diesel engines to charge the batteries. The Snorkel, developed by Germany, partially solved this problem, but it looked better on a design board than it did in practice. AIP submarines truly have changed underwater warfare. Now, with the ability to remain submerged and quiet for up to two weeks, this makes finding an AIP equipped submarine next to impossible. I understand when the U.S. Navy partnered with Sweden to conduct tests with their Gotland-class AIP submarine, it was virtually impossible to find. Even nuclear-powered submarines are limited in endurance by their food supply for the crew. So, if cost makes it impractical (or even impossible) for a country to buy and operate nuclear powered subs, the AIP suddenly becomes a lot more attractive and retains a powerful attack capability.
The issue isn't just costs. As shown in the video, the type 212 can remain submerged in water as shallow as 17 meters. That's critical because the Baltic Sea is a puddle, and if you needed deeper waters, you'd have to surface for transit and all the subs would huddle in the very same spots. When the Russians wanted one of their big subs in a parade in St. Petersburg, they had to show it to the world in the Denmark Straits first, directly off the nose of a NATO partner, because it was impossible to get that thing to St. Petersburg submerged. If shallow water capability is critical, nuclear subs will likely be too large.
@@ohauss worse, nuclear subs need to have a certain amount of water below the keel, for the secondary coolant cycle pumps to intake and expulse water. that is another reason why nuclear subs cant operate in shallow water.
Actually, the snorkel [DE: Schnorchel] was developed by the Dutchman, Jan Jacob Wichers, who called it the “snuiver” [EN: sniffer]. AIP, particularly the hydrogen fuel cell Permasyn system developed for Germany’s AIP submarines by Siemens, however, is a German innovation (and a bloody brilliant one at that). These Type 212A submarines are perfect for locking down the Baltic and Mediterranean seas…
군대는 요리사를 그리 많이 두지 않습니다, 육군 경험상 127여명에 요리사가 2~3명이었는데 1~2명을 취사지원이라면서 잠깐씩 보조하게 했죠. 해군도 요리사는 1명이지만 시간이 되는대로 도와주는 전우들이 있을 것입니다, 전투에서는 레토르트 식품을 섭취하니 굳이 많이 두질 않죠.
Another wonderful video about type 212 A submarines designed by the United Republic of Germany ... and Italian participants ...video clearly explained all characteristics of those submarines, which changed underwater warfare concepts... video also labeled the historical background of upgrades this remarkable submarine.thank you for your 🙏 respect ( weapon detective) channel for sharing
Fantastic video! I really enjoyed the in-depth analysis. The visuals and explanations were clear, making a complex subject easy to understand. Your dedication to researching and presenting this information is truly appreciated. Keep up the great work!
The Swedish AIP is based on the Sterling engine. It's not in the same class as the German AIP. Sterling AIP was fitted to Japanese submarines but proved difficult to maintain. The German system will evolve and eventually extend it air independence capability.
Good video. But I want to add some other point. Armed unmanned surface vessels, such as the Turkish ULAQ and MİR, can carry variable depth sonar, ASW torpedoes and ASW rockets. They are a couple of tons. Normally, no submarines launch a 533mm torpedo for them. It will be overkill and overly expensive. But, in the future, they will have to. The new systems, such as the IDAS and Murane, can also solve this problem.
@@TuxCommander launching a Harpoon or Exocet to an ULAQ or MİR is also overkill. The submarines need smaller and cheaper missiles like the IDAS, I think
this subs are working with different USV, their sub fleet is top notch tech! that's why the US needed a frigate that can defend their fleet against such subs, so they bought Italian frigate for their future frigates!
현대 디젤엔진 탑재된 잠수함의 길을 열어주는 멋진 함이죠, 직접 판매만 열거하셨지만 많은 잠수함 건조국들에 영감을 주고 동아시아에서도 이 기술들은 중국과 한국이나 일본의 잠수함도 많은 영향을 받았어요. 특히 제 고국인 한국의 경우 비록 돈을 지불하는 거래였지만 기술지원으로 현대잠수함 건조능력 향상에 크나큰 도약이 되었습니다. 이 기술로 건조된 잠수함들과 발전되어 나올 미래의 잠수함들이 전쟁을 겪는 일이 없기를 빕니다.
On Nato manouvers a German 212A was designated as an enemy sub for ASW carrier group practice. The 212A had an American carrier locked in it's periscope. The whole carrier group had no idea it was there :)
The Australian “Collins” class submarines have repeatedly achieved the same feat without air independent propulsion… Diesel Electric submarines are potentially very stealthy but short legged.
That's because the US isn't using it's war tactics during those exercises. In training you want your training partner to go through all the moves even though you can stop them .
@@kinte1870 On training mmanouvers you want it to be as realistic as possible. US submarines has also been "caught" by friendly NATO submarines in non exercises
Canada should partner up with Germany and Italy to make some version of this (like the CD or better) our next generation of sub. We have a fuel cell industry here too, so a business partnership could work.
I hope they do. The new japanese boat could be interesting too for Canada, but the Japanese have very little experience in international defense indsutry partnerships and exports. The partnership with Germany and Norway could build on better foundations.
Some ideas are old. 1. The Hydro- drive system was explored in the 40ies in Germany, called Walther Drive System. It never made to military service. The Boat was named V 80. Capable to drive very fast under water with out any airsupply. The handling of Hydroperloxyid was not easy so it never make to a real navy boat. 2. The radar reducing or consumtion surface techology was also proofed since 1944. The Alberich surface, named after a mystic german dwraf, made of rubber and some other ingredients and a mamorized surface should reduce the sonar and radar capabilities of allied vehicles detection systems. Both, the raw materials were very rare and the lack of good and permand glue, the project was only once tested on two boats. Many patterns of the the systems were lost while on patrol due to the permant kinestetic power of the water. 3. But it has been used to proteced some of the late snokel heads of the U Boats to decrease the detection from destroyers. 4. Even an remote automatic AA gun were installed on the XXI boats in the turrets, two dooble 2 cm AA guns, controlled from the inside the boat, but only on surface. The XXI Boats should also have a Hydroperloxid drive, on the first intention, never realized due to the handling and logistic problems. 5. In 1943 a light helicopter with self driveb rotation blades and one pilote was intrduced on some of the IX- boats, which had operated in the South Atlantic and Indian sea, to increase visualitity range. Of cause it was not a drone but the idea was the same. So not all Ideas are very new. Today we face a much large wider technology and materials.
Thing must be pretty spacious for the crew by submariner standards considering the Seawolf has a crew of 140 while the 212 has only 27. Yes, the Seawolf is triple its length, but it has nearly 7x the crew size.
DW did a documentary called 'Submarine Soldiers' (on RUclips) that follows a crew through workup and initial cruise. These boats are pretty cramped--hotbunking is normal.
@@allangibson8494 There are good reviews of Soviet submarines over on the 'Sub Brief' channel (run by a retired submariner), including an account of an incident where the capsule was used for an escape.
A more fair comparison would be to compare by volume rather than length (the Seawolf is both longer, wider and higher). If we compare the surface displacement (not a perfect measure estimation of volume but the closest I could think of right now) to crew size we have Seawolf 8600 tonnes by 140 crew 8600/140=61. For the Type 212A we have 1524/27=56. So a little more displacement per man in the Seawolf then.
A senior RAN submariner went on board a Dolphin Class submarine and when he descended into the hull he exclaimed this is like the Tardis. Compared to the cramped Collins Class the German boat was extremely spacious despite being a smaller boat.
you sound turkish af. 212a is one of the best subs out there. these are the F-35s of the seas. hope they can minimize the upcoming CD variant to some similar dimensions as 212a. smaller subs means less detectability.
The Germans came up with every trick on this one. That plastic coating almost reminds me of a kind of aquatic zimmerit. Serves similar purpose. Anti-Magnetic shielding.
6:12 Lithium-ion batteries are a bad idea in a submarine: once they catch on fire, they can't be put out, aside from the toxic fumes they produce. Lead-acid batteries, not so much.
@@bastifantasti82 The @HydraulicPressChannel has done some lithium-ion battery crushing. It was good to see the last test where the cell didn't burst into flames.
Lithium iron phosphate (LFePO4) batteries are the ones that will replace the 212. They have been testing them for three years now and have successfully passed certification.
You could, but it probably doesn’t make sense. The boat has good endurance in AIP mode. You would use the diesel to cruise when stealth is not required. The overall endurance of the crew is limited. Any conversion of diesel to H & O is going to be inefficient. I looked into this in relation to a sailing yacht with a water-maker. Did it make more sense to have a large water tank or rely heavily on aux diesel generator for electricity to power the water-maker? My conclusion was to carry enough water for multiple days of cruising and treat the water-maker as auxiliary.
@@oanskeptic5822 yes, the electrolysis process is highly inefficient, but can it be done if power comes by a cable from a friendly ship? But then you need to chill and compress oxygen and hydrogen for storage, so most likely not worth it.
Micro catched door noise, some distant child voice and etc... 😅 Need another microphone. Even if it feel cozy because those noises. Hope You already haw one. 👍
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 Nope, see the "Out of Service Time" which was even mentioned here in the Video. It made big News at that Time......even inside the "normal"Press.
@@Wuestenkarsten you mean phases of non readiness. This is/was due to the slashing of the bundeswehr internal sparepart stockpiles, maintenance capabilities and logistic division under minister of Defense Guttenberg in 2011. The first Unit endered Service in 2005 and is still in service, there is no planned decomissioning date. The only submarines that got decomissioned in the last 20 years were the type 206A uboats, the predecessor of the 212A
For heavens sake the German submarine fleet during the Second World War almost bought the combined allied forces to its knees at one stage; shipping losses had become unsustainable.Oh yes they can build and operate a submarine fleet very well.
This Submarine looks amazing however those countries with nuclear-powered submarines UK ( My country ) US , France etc won't go back to diesel-electric submarines because they can stay underwater longer the only thing that stops them from staying underwater is the resupply of provisions !!!!!!!!
The US is the only country operating exclusively nuclear submarines. The UK and France aren’t “going back” to diesel-electric subs - they never left them in the first place. Nuclear submarines have many advantages but also drawbacks. They have to be a certain size to accommodate the reactor, coolant loops, and steam turbines. These are also inherently noisy so they need very sophisticated insulation and dampening, which adds even more size. Size is not a problem when you’re doing blue water operations, like escorting a carrier group. But when you’re sneaking up on Russian ports in the Baltic, a nuclear submarine is less than ideal. Also you have the cost. Nuclear subs are expensive to procure and maintain. If you don’t even need the endurance and speed (like, again, in the Baltic), you’ll be better served with a couple of diesel subs than a single big nuclear sub.
Sorry, I checked again and the UK and France indeed have no dieselelectrics in service currently. I misremembered something from the Cold War Era, my bad!
I think AIP is a serious threat to nuclear, you can build 3-4 of them to 1 nuclear boat, they are more stealthy, carry the same sensors and weapons and can operate in shallower waters.
Difficult to say without vlassified information. However the sub is 20 osh years old so yeah a new sub might be superior. This is why the CD Version is now getting produced.
I very much doubt that , the type 212 can only stay out at sea for 50 days . Without resupply . British , USA nukes . Can stay out for 180 days easily . Also the Australian boats potentially will have to travel great distances
Only thing is that it will be the 3rd best after the Dutch/Swedish submarine is build . As 2 nations that have the most experience and most advanced equipment to build them .
@@BewareOfTheKraut Then you should read a bit more history , as the dutch where designing and building submarines since 1620 . Designed and build the type IIA IIB and Prototypes of the Type VII for the kriegsmarine . . Had snorkels , advanced hydraulics , airconditioning , high tech equipment , in the mid 30s . selling their designs and subrmarines to poland , norway , turky , sweden sovjet union romania etc etc . Where the germans started to incorporate the more advanced equipment in to their own designs mid to late war 6 years after the dutch where already using them . where developing 3 cilinder submarines in 1939-1940 before the invasion , designed a 3 cilinder submarine for the brits in 1941-42 for the brits , Not build due to cast and developed in to the Dolfijn class after the war . Designed the Zwaardvis class. And Walruss class submarines , having the premiere submarine training course and school . SO what has germany actualy designed since the war . Absolutely nothing only some low capacity brown water submarines. Absolutely no experience in Bleu water attack subrmarines. Even more funny the dutch desginged their first home made frigates back in the 80s SO please enlighten me how a country that was banned from building ocean going submarines , for decades and not even having a viable naval design bureau to build frigates . And even to day the geramns need dutch exptersise to build and design frigates and other maritime craft . Have the experience in building them , have the experience in operating them at extremly high levels . and covert missions . SO please explain where do the germans get that experience that should be higher than the dutch . .
@@marcusfranconium3392 Norway bought German submarines already in the 70's. Has the Dutch ever exported / sold any of their designs to other countries ?
Submarine warfar better on land and convert under water submarine into unmaned vehivle with under ocean way point cantrol by teltegraph enscrypt telegraph type to change or update routing because human life too valuable for under water operations
No diesel-electric submarine is the most advanced system in the world. Nuclear submarines are. Some countries don't have the infrastructure to support nuclear submarines, so they have class two vessels.
Are just different. The nuclear sub is great if you have a blue navy, but they make more noise underwather. The diesel-electric subd are more silent than the nuclear one, but they are great for a regional navy, where they will struggle in a blue navy without having designated close harbors how to stop and refill their propulsion systems. It's all up to what navy you are. But in therm of underwather deadlyness regarding a sea fight. The most silent diesel-electric subs are harder to find, so they have an advantage on that.
typical Germany make a good sub, then save money on power station (it's not nuclear) making it practically useless in today's battlefields by the time a diesel is underwater, it needs to resurface again... Range is also crap !
Really ignorant comment. These subs are meant to mainly move in coastal waters, not that far from their native bases and be able to get close to the shore - wich is something the much larger nuclear subs generally can’t. These can move under water for a couple of weeks without having to surface and they are also significantly more quiet, wich is pretty damn important for a sub… (You can also get several of these for the price of one nuclear)
@@e.m7116yes exactly, these German subs are mainly littoral, but can go blue waters if necessary. The newer models used by Singapore Navy have extended air endurance to 1.5 months without snorkeling. 1.5 months. Enough to go anywhere and take out objectives and back without ever surfacing. The dude didn’t know his stuffs… don’t mind him 😂
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I worked (as project manager) for one of Fincantier's subcontractor. We built the machine that was used to put together the hull, we built the welding system and we built all the hatch... AMANOX (the anti magnetic steel used) is a bitch to weld, worse than stainless steel and titanium. this is the best job I have ever done... and I still have some of the original drawings.
The largest vulnerability of the World War II diesel-electric submarines was the fact they had to surface to run their diesel engines to charge the batteries. The Snorkel, developed by Germany, partially solved this problem, but it looked better on a design board than it did in practice. AIP submarines truly have changed underwater warfare. Now, with the ability to remain submerged and quiet for up to two weeks, this makes finding an AIP equipped submarine next to impossible. I understand when the U.S. Navy partnered with Sweden to conduct tests with their Gotland-class AIP submarine, it was virtually impossible to find. Even nuclear-powered submarines are limited in endurance by their food supply for the crew. So, if cost makes it impractical (or even impossible) for a country to buy and operate nuclear powered subs, the AIP suddenly becomes a lot more attractive and retains a powerful attack capability.
The issue isn't just costs. As shown in the video, the type 212 can remain submerged in water as shallow as 17 meters. That's critical because the Baltic Sea is a puddle, and if you needed deeper waters, you'd have to surface for transit and all the subs would huddle in the very same spots. When the Russians wanted one of their big subs in a parade in St. Petersburg, they had to show it to the world in the Denmark Straits first, directly off the nose of a NATO partner, because it was impossible to get that thing to St. Petersburg submerged.
If shallow water capability is critical, nuclear subs will likely be too large.
They're also far more silent than nuclear-powered ones.
@@ohauss worse, nuclear subs need to have a certain amount of water below the keel, for the secondary coolant cycle pumps to intake and expulse water. that is another reason why nuclear subs cant operate in shallow water.
@@ohauss There are environments in the Baltic Sea where waters barely allow the transit of submarines even surfaced.
Actually, the snorkel [DE: Schnorchel] was developed by the Dutchman, Jan Jacob Wichers, who called it the “snuiver” [EN: sniffer]. AIP, particularly the hydrogen fuel cell Permasyn system developed for Germany’s AIP submarines by Siemens, however, is a German innovation (and a bloody brilliant one at that). These Type 212A submarines are perfect for locking down the Baltic and Mediterranean seas…
It's such a little boat! I watched a DW documentary about it. I was surprised to see it had only one chef aboard!
군대는 요리사를 그리 많이 두지 않습니다, 육군 경험상 127여명에 요리사가 2~3명이었는데 1~2명을 취사지원이라면서 잠깐씩 보조하게 했죠.
해군도 요리사는 1명이지만 시간이 되는대로 도와주는 전우들이 있을 것입니다, 전투에서는 레토르트 식품을 섭취하니 굳이 많이 두질 않죠.
I've watched that excellent video as well. Those things are pretty cramped. I would hope crewmembers pitch in, at least to clean up and make coffee.
Their predecessors (Type 206A) had only half the displacement. THAT's tiny!
Keep in mind: German subs need to be able to operate in very shallow areas of the baltic sea. A large sub would not work here.
The one with the storm? That was awsome.
Another wonderful video about type 212 A submarines designed by the United Republic of Germany ... and Italian participants ...video clearly explained all characteristics of those submarines, which changed underwater warfare concepts... video also labeled the historical background of upgrades this remarkable submarine.thank you for your 🙏 respect ( weapon detective) channel for sharing
which are the other videos about the 212?
@@SAMX4949He’s probably referring to any video that praises the type 212A. Not just Weapons Detective.
@@The_ZeroLine yea im looking for more content on the 212
check the new one TYP212CD
The Federal* (!) Republic of Germany (Bundesrepublik Deutschland, nicht "vereinigte" Republik Deutschland!)
209型も優れた潜水艦であったように212型および、その改良型も同様に評価されると信じています。
それにしても曲線美が美しいですね。
I am saving to buy one. Well, OK, it's actually a Tamiya model being sold at Ebay but still expensive for a miniature at about $700US.
Fantastic video! I really enjoyed the in-depth analysis. The visuals and explanations were clear, making a complex subject easy to understand. Your dedication to researching and presenting this information is truly appreciated. Keep up the great work!
The Swedish AIP is based on the Sterling engine. It's not in the same class as the German AIP. Sterling AIP was fitted to Japanese submarines but proved difficult to maintain. The German system will evolve and eventually extend it air independence capability.
2:12 Rest In Peace crew of the A.R.A San Juan.
What a truly horrible way go.
Very nice, i was waiting for this video. Well done.
Good video. But I want to add some other point. Armed unmanned surface vessels, such as the Turkish ULAQ and MİR, can carry variable depth sonar, ASW torpedoes and ASW rockets. They are a couple of tons. Normally, no submarines launch a 533mm torpedo for them. It will be overkill and overly expensive. But, in the future, they will have to. The new systems, such as the IDAS and Murane, can also solve this problem.
That's why they developed a missile, lunched from the torpedo tubes.
@@TuxCommander launching a Harpoon or Exocet to an ULAQ or MİR is also overkill. The submarines need smaller and cheaper missiles like the IDAS, I think
this subs are working with different USV, their sub fleet is top notch tech! that's why the US needed a frigate that can defend their fleet against such subs, so they bought Italian frigate for their future frigates!
Another great video ! Keep up the great work 🙂
현대 디젤엔진 탑재된 잠수함의 길을 열어주는 멋진 함이죠, 직접 판매만 열거하셨지만 많은 잠수함 건조국들에 영감을 주고 동아시아에서도 이 기술들은 중국과 한국이나 일본의 잠수함도 많은 영향을 받았어요.
특히 제 고국인 한국의 경우 비록 돈을 지불하는 거래였지만 기술지원으로 현대잠수함 건조능력 향상에 크나큰 도약이 되었습니다.
이 기술로 건조된 잠수함들과 발전되어 나올 미래의 잠수함들이 전쟁을 겪는 일이 없기를 빕니다.
This class of SSKs are a revolutionary replacement for older classes and models of attack submarines, such as the older Type 206 and Type 209 classes.
On Nato manouvers a German 212A was designated as an enemy sub for ASW carrier group practice. The 212A had an American carrier locked in it's periscope. The whole carrier group had no idea it was there :)
I think a Swedish sub was also able to "sink" a US carrier in one NATO naval exercise some years ago.
The Australian “Collins” class submarines have repeatedly achieved the same feat without air independent propulsion…
Diesel Electric submarines are potentially very stealthy but short legged.
A Norwegian submarine of the ULA class ( wich is a late 80's submarine ) has done the same thing on several occations. Nothing special.
That's because the US isn't using it's war tactics during those exercises. In training you want your training partner to go through all the moves even though you can stop them .
@@kinte1870 On training mmanouvers you want it to be as realistic as possible. US submarines has also been "caught" by friendly NATO submarines in non exercises
Norway has ordered 6 of the 212CD version (the newest bigger version)
Canada should partner up with Germany and Italy to make some version of this (like the CD or better) our next generation of sub. We have a fuel cell industry here too, so a business partnership could work.
Canada is broke from socialism. They don't have any money for a Navy.
I hope they do. The new japanese boat could be interesting too for Canada, but the Japanese have very little experience in international defense indsutry partnerships and exports. The partnership with Germany and Norway could build on better foundations.
Some ideas are old. 1. The Hydro- drive system was explored in the 40ies in Germany, called Walther Drive System. It never made to military service. The Boat was named V 80. Capable to drive very fast under water with out any airsupply. The handling of Hydroperloxyid was not easy so it never make to a real navy boat. 2. The radar reducing or consumtion surface techology was also proofed since 1944. The Alberich surface, named after a mystic german dwraf, made of rubber and some other ingredients and a mamorized surface should reduce the sonar and radar capabilities of allied vehicles detection systems. Both, the raw materials were very rare and the lack of good and permand glue, the project was only once tested on two boats. Many patterns of the the systems were lost while on patrol due to the permant kinestetic power of the water. 3. But it has been used to proteced some of the late snokel heads of the U Boats to decrease the detection from destroyers. 4. Even an remote automatic AA gun were installed on the XXI boats in the turrets, two dooble 2 cm AA guns, controlled from the inside the boat, but only on surface. The XXI Boats should also have a Hydroperloxid drive, on the first intention, never realized due to the handling and logistic problems. 5. In 1943 a light helicopter with self driveb rotation blades and one pilote was intrduced on some of the IX- boats, which had operated in the South Atlantic and Indian sea, to increase visualitity range. Of cause it was not a drone but the idea was the same. So not all Ideas are very new. Today we face a much large wider technology and materials.
cool stuff. especially if the Anti-air system and the special mast would be integrated
Thing must be pretty spacious for the crew by submariner standards considering the Seawolf has a crew of 140 while the 212 has only 27. Yes, the Seawolf is triple its length, but it has nearly 7x the crew size.
DW did a documentary called 'Submarine Soldiers' (on RUclips) that follows a crew through workup and initial cruise. These boats are pretty cramped--hotbunking is normal.
The Russian Alfa class nuclear submarine has a crew of 31 (limited by its escape capsule).
@@allangibson8494 There are good reviews of Soviet submarines over on the 'Sub Brief' channel (run by a retired submariner), including an account of an incident where the capsule was used for an escape.
A more fair comparison would be to compare by volume rather than length (the Seawolf is both longer, wider and higher). If we compare the surface displacement (not a perfect measure estimation of volume but the closest I could think of right now) to crew size we have Seawolf 8600 tonnes by 140 crew 8600/140=61.
For the Type 212A we have 1524/27=56. So a little more displacement per man in the Seawolf then.
A senior RAN submariner went on board a Dolphin Class submarine and when he descended into the hull he exclaimed this is like the Tardis. Compared to the cramped Collins Class the German boat was extremely spacious despite being a smaller boat.
Speaking of submarine - will you one day make videos about Scorpene and its variants sir? Thanks.
THE HYDROGEN CAN BE USED WITH THE DIESEL FOR ADDITIONAL RANGE.
beautiful boat , beautiful streamlining and X fins .
indeed the airborne and seaborne drones are game changers.
Damn that video of the San Juan kinda hit me. Poor guys RIP.
Ok let's watch this 👍
This and the French Scorpene hv pleasing lines to the eyes...
Can you compare the U 212 A, CD vs. A26 of Sweden?
Waithing the Italian 212NFS
Thanks very much......
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you sound turkish af. 212a is one of the best subs out there. these are the F-35s of the seas. hope they can minimize the upcoming CD variant to some similar dimensions as 212a. smaller subs means less detectability.
as always technological italo-german cooperation shows that its the best in the world
but the german green pacifistic government is destroying the german military readiness!
Perhaps we should have some in the RAN
I didn't know Germans knew how to build submarines.
HAHAHAHAHA LMAO!!, Great comment...
They were world leaders in subs from we 1 all the way through WW2 wolf packs
@@GaryBonnell-tb4ot I may have been being a little bit sarcastic 😉
@@MrRugbylane
That’s what I’ve thought.
There is a very good movie; DAS BOOT (the boat)
This type of submarine would work really well guarding the coastlines of South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, the Philippines, and Australia. They're awesome!
It is Type 212CD Norway and Germany will build, and Kongsberg Defence will make a Naval Strike Missile for submarines to Norway and Germany
Great coastal submarine!
I wonder if they could build 12 new subs for Canada?
In Germany the 212A, just like the 206A are referred to as 212Alfa.
4:45 showing propeller like that?
Yes, I thougt also it´s strange.....but maybe it´s an "old" Design or there on Purpose to mislead?
The Germans came up with every trick on this one. That plastic coating almost reminds me of a kind of aquatic zimmerit. Serves similar purpose. Anti-Magnetic shielding.
6:12 Lithium-ion batteries are a bad idea in a submarine: once they catch on fire, they can't be put out, aside from the toxic fumes they produce. Lead-acid batteries, not so much.
i'm pretty sure they will go with lto cells, so there won't be these problems.
@@bastifantasti82 The @HydraulicPressChannel has done some lithium-ion battery crushing. It was good to see the last test where the cell didn't burst into flames.
Lithium iron phosphate (LFePO4) batteries are the ones that will replace the 212. They have been testing them for three years now and have successfully passed certification.
@@AlFreeman-xy4jyit’s current installed in the new type 218 and already in commission for the Singaporean navy .
wait was 212cd confirmed?
The construction of the first one has started a month ago.
Yes, the one to Norway and Germany will be of 212CD, not 212A
Really interesting movie.
Please make video
Russian kilo class submarine
Is it better than japanese one?
Right On
Go Italy 👍👍🇺🇲🇮🇹
I wonder if it would be possible to replenish Hydrogen and Oxygen stocks by splitting the saltwater using electricity generated by the diesel?
You could, but it probably doesn’t make sense. The boat has good endurance in AIP mode. You would use the diesel to cruise when stealth is not required. The overall endurance of the crew is limited. Any conversion of diesel to H & O is going to be inefficient. I looked into this in relation to a sailing yacht with a water-maker. Did it make more sense to have a large water tank or rely heavily on aux diesel generator for electricity to power the water-maker? My conclusion was to carry enough water for multiple days of cruising and treat the water-maker as auxiliary.
@@oanskeptic5822 yes, the electrolysis process is highly inefficient, but can it be done if power comes by a cable from a friendly ship? But then you need to chill and compress oxygen and hydrogen for storage, so most likely not worth it.
Why does that hull shape look so much like the fictional USRN Seaview?
a larger Type 212A class would be something . . .
212cd. Already in production
Type 218 is the hybrid version based on A212 and A214 combined and larger with 2200 tons
From a perspective, it's awesome compared to the Oberon class boats
Diesel??
Micro catched door noise, some distant child voice and etc... 😅 Need another microphone. Even if it feel cozy because those noises. Hope You already haw one. 👍
It 's soooo cute... like a little baby submarine
Diesel Boats Forever!!!
Is Germany finally giving her armed forces the attention they deserve?
Yep and it’s about time.
That thing was in service in the Germany navy before the constant babble that German military was nothing but a constant failure even started.
@@BewareOfTheKraut in service for 20 years, so already done
@@zhufortheimpaler4041 Nope, see the "Out of Service Time" which was even mentioned here in the Video. It made big News at that Time......even inside the "normal"Press.
@@Wuestenkarsten you mean phases of non readiness. This is/was due to the slashing of the bundeswehr internal sparepart stockpiles, maintenance capabilities and logistic division under minister of Defense Guttenberg in 2011. The first Unit endered Service in 2005 and is still in service, there is no planned decomissioning date.
The only submarines that got decomissioned in the last 20 years were the type 206A uboats, the predecessor of the 212A
For heavens sake the German submarine fleet during the Second World War almost bought the combined allied forces to its knees at one stage; shipping losses had become unsustainable.Oh yes they can build and operate a submarine fleet very well.
Own the med guys, or someone else might👍🇮🇹🇺🇲
Mare Nostrum
DAS BOOT!!
Great Video ........................... Bad Audio/Voice :_[ hYlkeW
This Submarine looks amazing however those countries with nuclear-powered submarines UK ( My country ) US , France etc won't go back to diesel-electric submarines because they can stay underwater longer the only thing that stops them from staying underwater is the resupply of provisions !!!!!!!!
well nuclear submarines are significanly louder and have limitations operating in shallow waters.
There is a job for both systems
The US is the only country operating exclusively nuclear submarines. The UK and France aren’t “going back” to diesel-electric subs - they never left them in the first place.
Nuclear submarines have many advantages but also drawbacks. They have to be a certain size to accommodate the reactor, coolant loops, and steam turbines. These are also inherently noisy so they need very sophisticated insulation and dampening, which adds even more size.
Size is not a problem when you’re doing blue water operations, like escorting a carrier group. But when you’re sneaking up on Russian ports in the Baltic, a nuclear submarine is less than ideal.
Also you have the cost. Nuclear subs are expensive to procure and maintain. If you don’t even need the endurance and speed (like, again, in the Baltic), you’ll be better served with a couple of diesel subs than a single big nuclear sub.
Sorry, I checked again and the UK and France indeed have no dieselelectrics in service currently. I misremembered something from the Cold War Era, my bad!
Krauts need to build a nuke U-boat, would probably be epic deadly, sorry then it's really a sub not a boat. Even tho we call um all boats 👍
I think AIP is a serious threat to nuclear, you can build 3-4 of them to 1 nuclear boat, they are more stealthy, carry the same sensors and weapons and can operate in shallower waters.
Unterseeboot or U-Boot in short means submarine in German. And Boot means boat so…
@@waschbeckenurinierer this is English
@@--Dani so? They refer to a German sub nevertheless
Since WW1 "U-boat" is a German submarine, since WW2 a "panzer" is a Geman tank. U-Boot, German = submarine, Panzer, German = tank.
Navantia's S-80 class is by far better.
Difficult to say without vlassified information. However the sub is 20 osh years old so yeah a new sub might be superior.
This is why the CD Version is now getting produced.
Id take these over anything Navantia makes. There have been nothing but trouble with products from Navantia
I bet the Australian government is regretting the decision to go nuclear
I very much doubt that , the type 212 can only stay out at sea for 50 days . Without resupply . British , USA nukes . Can stay out for 180 days easily . Also the Australian boats potentially will have to travel great distances
Only thing is that it will be the 3rd best after the Dutch/Swedish submarine is build . As 2 nations that have the most experience and most advanced equipment to build them .
Come on, better than Germany and Italy? I don't beleve that.
@@lorenzociliberto9564 Italians are crap and germany builds brown water subs . That are not even close to the current walruss class submarine.
More experience than Germany? I don’t think so.
@@BewareOfTheKraut Then you should read a bit more history , as the dutch where designing and building submarines since 1620 . Designed and build the type IIA IIB and Prototypes of the Type VII for the kriegsmarine . . Had snorkels , advanced hydraulics , airconditioning , high tech equipment , in the mid 30s . selling their designs and subrmarines to poland , norway , turky , sweden sovjet union romania etc etc .
Where the germans started to incorporate the more advanced equipment in to their own designs mid to late war 6 years after the dutch where already using them .
where developing 3 cilinder submarines in 1939-1940 before the invasion , designed a 3 cilinder submarine for the brits in 1941-42 for the brits , Not build due to cast and developed in to the Dolfijn class after the war . Designed the Zwaardvis class. And Walruss class submarines , having the premiere submarine training course and school .
SO what has germany actualy designed since the war . Absolutely nothing only some low capacity brown water submarines. Absolutely no experience in Bleu water attack subrmarines.
Even more funny the dutch desginged their first home made frigates back in the 80s
SO please enlighten me how a country that was banned from building ocean going submarines , for decades and not even having a viable naval design bureau to build frigates . And even to day the geramns need dutch exptersise to build and design frigates and other maritime craft
. Have the experience in building them , have the experience in operating them at extremly high levels . and covert missions .
SO please explain where do the germans get that experience that should be higher than the dutch . .
@@marcusfranconium3392 Norway bought German submarines already in the 70's. Has the Dutch ever exported / sold any of their designs to other countries ?
Submarine warfar better on land and convert under water submarine into unmaned vehivle with under ocean way point cantrol by teltegraph enscrypt telegraph type to change or update routing because human life too valuable for under water operations
Semoga TNI AL akan membelinya
Italy built the kitchen , just joking my friends 🇮🇹🇩🇪
...isn't funny...😒
Spanish S-81 has better independent air system.
And how is it still in development? The S81 does not have AIP, and neither does the S82, maybe it will come with the S83 and S84.
The best subs are nuclear
Nope. Much easier to detect.
@@BewareOfTheKraut only Russian ones
@@harryhanly1609
It’s about physics, not ethnicity.
@@BewareOfTheKraut it’s about technology old and new many things can give a sub away
@@harryhanly1609 the Seawolf ones too, when they impact with an uderwater mountain...
No diesel-electric submarine is the most advanced system in the world. Nuclear submarines are. Some countries don't have the infrastructure to support nuclear submarines, so they have class two vessels.
Are just different.
The nuclear sub is great if you have a blue navy, but they make more noise underwather.
The diesel-electric subd are more silent than the nuclear one, but they are great for a regional navy, where they will struggle in a blue navy without having designated close harbors how to stop and refill their propulsion systems.
It's all up to what navy you are. But in therm of underwather deadlyness regarding a sea fight. The most silent diesel-electric subs are harder to find, so they have an advantage on that.
Bro Germany so to say invented that shit
typical Germany
make a good sub, then save money on power station (it's not nuclear) making it practically useless in today's battlefields
by the time a diesel is underwater, it needs to resurface again... Range is also crap !
tell me you have no idea about submarines without telling me you have no idea about submarines
Really ignorant comment. These subs are meant to mainly move in coastal waters, not that far from their native bases and be able to get close to the shore - wich is something the much larger nuclear subs generally can’t. These can move under water for a couple of weeks without having to surface and they are also significantly more quiet, wich is pretty damn important for a sub…
(You can also get several of these for the price of one nuclear)
@@e.m7116yes exactly, these German subs are mainly littoral, but can go blue waters if necessary. The newer models used by Singapore Navy have extended air endurance to 1.5 months without snorkeling. 1.5 months. Enough to go anywhere and take out objectives and back without ever surfacing. The dude didn’t know his stuffs… don’t mind him 😂
What need to surface? Google “AIP” before showing everyone your ignorance!
Thank you for a nice informative video Weapon Detective 🇹🇷🫡
Krauts need to build a nuke U-boat, would probably be epic deadly, sorry then it's really a sub not a boat. Even tho we call um all boats 👍
Any reason to post this twice?!