The beauty of pidgeot is that you can play anything with it to put more pressure because drudd and stalling isnt good enough. Mostly with marshadow and marawak. It even works with legendary birds and mew of course.
Nahhh that Blaine/Ninetails/Rapidash deck definitely underrated and needs to be A-tier or S-tier. The set up and DMG is so fast and high for cheap. I have beaten all of these decks in the video multiple times over before they even get to setup properly. That deck has even gotten opponents to concede turn 2 many times. Did my 45 event match wins within like 2-3 hrs. Favorite deck by far.
Celebi's biggest weakness is the grass typing. The deck functions similarly to Mewtwo, however fire is far more competitive as a whole than dark right now.
Scolipede is much better with a Tauros or Mew ex in the deck. It is SO much better than Arbok was last format. Golem is the only match up you're hard losing. Its closest comparison is the Blaine deck because it's fairly even but has a great match up against an S tier. The difference is Scolipede favors better into mewtwo than blaine does into Pikachu. Definitely fits more in with the A decks than the B. Pikachu also feels weaker than S, but new toy syndrome brought a lot of people away from the old Raichu which I think is incorrect so it's probably still S. Gyarados is just kinda nuts though. I'd give it an S+ honestly. I also agree with Celebi, it's a little too early to write it off even though it performed poorly.
@@stevenroberts4356For now, it is tho. U will barely ever attack with it. Maybe in tauros deck if it goes against non EX deck, that's about it. Most ppl just use it as early wall while building their real attacker on the bench.
@@invertbrid mate is pidgeot ex, Tauros, Greninja, kangaskahn, and Mew suddenly bad cards? Each has there strengths and weaknesses against various meta cards and all can be ran dual energy with out many hiccups. The option is always nice, plus he deals 110 for 3 or 130 if it took two to bring him down, then there is the fact that some games you only draw two basics, the option to build one on the bench while the other chips a celibi or starmie into range is strong enough to pull out wins where druddigon being unable to attack would mean a concede. I feel like y'all can't think outside the box of 4 basics or 10 mons per deck and anything dual colored is inherently bad.
@@invertbrid just watch hooglands Pidgeot ex video and tell me it never attacks or is bad. The only reason Pidgeot ex with fire and water isn't played in the tournament scene is the open deck list format, in my opinion.
@@stevenroberts4356 those aren't bad cards, but those are way better attacker than druddigon plus don't have energy restriction as bad as druddigon. Druddigon is best atm as walls, that's about it. U will only see ppl using it to attack in urgent scenario either in tauros deck if fight non EX, or emergency attack if u brick in decks like Pidgeot and Tauros. U will not build druddigon unless ur Pidgeot brick so hard. That's about it. In other decks, it's just there to stall, like Gyarados Dragonite deck.
I love the scolipede deck, I was able to fend off a lot of celebis and pilachus as well early in ladder. If you are able to make perfect moves, you’ll be able to perform well with it for sure.
Played with the golem deck a bit after it won and it is indeed sweet. Some draws are annoying to get through with it, but that's every deck. Not the simplest deck to play either, some decisions have far reaching effects in it like setting up your bench incorrectly can cost you games.
@@informantii tried the deck with pokedex, i threw it out after 2 games. it just doesn't help much if after playing pokedex-pokeball, the golem is still in the bottom of the deck
I've played it a lot, even before it got first at the tournament (I saw it went 5-0 on saturday and had to test it), and I still don't see any use for the potion. Do you guys have tried something else ? I use Sabrina
I’ve been playing Druddegon, Greninja, Rapidash and having a lot of success! It’s a pretty versatile deck since Greninja and Rapidash both use one colorless. Easy to pivot attackers based on situation/matchup.
Looks good, as weezing only need 1 energy and scoli only need 2. U will often have leftover energies u can use for other pokes, either building another scolipede or mew to counter the likes of Mewtwo reliably without needing to poison it. It's good in other matchup too. Can one shot ninetails and Charizard. Sadly can't one hit lot other decks without gio or poison em first using weezing. The rough part of scolipede is mostly if opp can one shot ur weezing....then u will have kinda hard time.
Pidgeot player here, relying on it as your main attacker is definitely not the way the deck should be played (imo). You need good early / mid game attackers to soften up your opponent’s Pokémon & get a few knockouts so Flute is live when / if you need it. Pidgeot should be what closes out games. Because it’s Colorless, you can run pretty much anything with it. I’ve been having decent success with Pidgeot / Exeggutor EX since you can sit on the ladder and get great return on a 1 energy attacker that’s beefy like him. You could probably run a variant with Aerodactyl to eliminate RNG from Exeggutor’s coin flips & include X Speeds over Leaf since they both have 1 Retreat costs so the deck isn’t bogged down by too many Trainer cards.
I think the wheezing Scolipede is a tier personally I think using mystic coffing is much worse than old coffing as for most decks that early pressure actually makes a huge difference and adding taurus might help but after playing hours with it I don’t think taurus is all that good tbh as it is more of a tech option that feels bad to use honestly
Your Celebi rant is ON POINT! So many times while I’ve been playing Gyarados, my Celebi opponent would overcommit energy to the 1st active Celebi. If they just powered up a 4 energy benched Celebi to match my 4 energy Gyarados, then I’d be toast, because their 2nd attacker is much better than mine. (Same with Charizard. Just attack with Moltres!! Don’t go straight into Charizard with no backup attacker!)
Pika and Mewtwo still top tier as u can see in video. Arcanine see more usage as well, and Blaine still pretty decent, has good selebi matchup too. Starmie still pretty good as well. Charizard maybe kinda bit lower now but still pretty good. Venusaur sadly kinda eh, it got boost with serperior but struggles being 2 stage 2 in the deck, pretty inconsistent.
@@PolitictalDipsit I mean it was never top tier contender. It's mid tier at most, bit below average even. But yea it mostly still the same. The deck got new better tank tho with druddigon.
I used to have some fun playing with Victreebell and regular Pidgeot combo. It gives you a really good control over the other players bench. The only issue was, that if you don't get a full evolutionary line, you are done. That combo might be more useful in the future, when we get trainers that allow to search for different evolutionary stages.
I truly believe Pidgeot EX is at least bottom A tier. It just wins especially if they don't know how how deal with Drudd. Also PokeFlute just steals games sometimes, and is hard to play around.
Did you miss him explaining that people make sure to keep their bench low? Especially when deck lists aren't hidden in the tournaments. I've definitely won most of my games against it.
Toldja new Graveller was amazing, allowing you to use him on curve. ;) Though using Drudd/hitmonlee to allow New Golem to 1 hit was clever, and makes it so old one is no longer superior.
I've never had a problem with people trying to play around Pidgeot EX, but then again I always have another attacker in the deck, usually a 1 energy attacker like Farfetch, Weezing, or other. Usually if they try to limit bench they lose when I Sabrina in their only pokemon on bench and this is usually without me even needing to use the Flute to get out the pokemon I already KOd. My advice is to never run Pidgeot EX if your only other way to damage opponent is Druddigon. I also almost always run Druddigon regardless of which energy build I run. I've had great results running Hypno in the deck for added stall. My current build has 1 Hypno, 1 Druddigon, and 2 Farfetchd. I might switch back to a build with Chatot instead. The non-Chatot build prefers to go heavier on the stall in place of digging into Pidgeot EX pieces faster.
I think the correct way to play Celebi right now is lilligant sub engine. It applys pressure with 50 dmg, which reduces the amount of heads you need for celebi late game, while also building up celebi in the back. In my experience this trades very favorably into Druddigon. You can use Erika to keep Lilligant healthy if necessary, force out the Gyarados, and then bring in Celebi for the kill. Lilligant version does have a worse match up into Blaine for sure but personally I'm willing to take that trade off. Lilligant increases Celebi's ceiling the most and that's the way we should be leaning.
Celebi likely didn't have one bad weekend. If we only had one tournament to go off we could maybe conclude that. But it put up about 40% winrate results across every tournament it was played in. Maybe there was a target on it's back? but it's results were ABYSSMAL. The entire format is lined up to kill 130 HP mew, and is killing Celebi by coincidence. Maybe we see some major innovation that helps it bounce back, but celebi is so energy hungry and the grass pool is so shallow. I'm not sure where that innovation comes from.
Honestly its just not super consistent. Better than marowak, but flat damage numbers are better than flips. Also the low health stat doesn't help for sure cause you can just trade kos with it easy.
The difficulty for Celebi is the fact Arcanine and Charizard decks exist. Not only do you have to hit your coin flips but you have to dodge one of the pillars of the format in Swiss to get anywhere.
There's no resistance in this version of the game. Fighting resistance was the most common one , so it makes sense the golem deck doing good vs the actual TCG. Pikachu w/o raichu loses to celebi due to the capability to tank the 90s dmg playing a erica + potion. And since everyone's running celebi the first week or two it's why it's declined. I myself was struggling so I switched to blaine and found greater success to farm the 50 wins. As long as we don't have a support that does what victribel ability does, decks that don't have the OHKO potential will struggle vs matchups that can tank their dmg for several turns.
do you think lilligant can help acceralte celebi? or is the standard card comp still superior? I also like using golem agaisnt pikachu ex- 30 atk, and makes it do barely any damage, makes it hit like a wet noodle
I prefer Lilligant to exeggutor, it’s an okay front line attacker that you don’t mind losing for lower energy or less reward points, while ramping for your main goal, celebi
My strongest deck as of now is Aerodactyl Exeggutor. Leaf and the new Eggxecute really made Exeggutor a lot stronger. Even if you got a fighting energy the egg can generate grass energy and Aerodactyl being fast 2 energy dmg dealer. And a one mew for counter matchups. I got 13ws out of it, i never lost to gyarados
Had decent matchups into Gyarados and Scoilopede with my Blaine deck. The new rapidash and magmar help fix a lot of numbers with Blaine. I feel like I've beat Mewtwo at least 80% of the time as well because most of them aren't running potions now. One high flip on poyta or rapidash helps a lot.
I’ve only played celebi with shiinotic line and it’s been really solid for me. Not as much wall potential as egg but the sleep status is amazing for stall
The problem with the charizard deck you showed is that it's missing a giovanni. I know zard hits for 200, but the giovanni + moltres or arcanine has won me soooo many games. It makes the mu against pika so much easier because it one shots zapdos. It can also one shot mew, and if you play around mew correctly imo it should be VERY hard for the mew to be able to use charizard's attack against it
Alright hear me out. Pidgeot needs a wall that can take a prize or two early while still being able to build up energy on the bird. Why not pair up with one of your favourite cards from Genetic Apex, Exeggutor EX? Only one energy, takes at least a few hits to KO, and can knock a few into the discard pile for you to Flute back in for Pidgeot to clean up late game.
Completly agree with the celebi take into gyarados when I played you we both high rolled and I comfortably won then when playing celebi on my own upon both players low rolling celebi vs gyarados the celebi still won I'm bamboozled at the statistics personally
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I kick butt with Alakazam / Kabutops. You think Aerodactyl / Alakazam would be better? Always start with abra as your only basic Pokémon so it always grows & teleports out of active spot, only needs 1 color energy limiting dual energy problems , has super effective options against mewtwo & pikachu decks, and Aerodactyl evolves quicker than Kabutops. Alakazam one shots everything
To solve the scolipede i think you have to ditch the scolipede in favor of muk, and add a tauros, so now we have a plan against pikachu. Still, i don't think its enough to get into A tier.
What celebi needs is a good ex basic wall to tank the first 2-3 hits, like the bird trio, then it will become tier1. Exxegutor ex is almost it, but needing exxegute just bricks your deck so many times.. I had more luck playing the anchor with 100hp.
I've watched alot of the tournaments matches with Celebi, I've been playing Celebi and playing against Celebi since the set launched. I feel like Celebi doesn't have a best build ATM, we're still trying to figure out what works. Also, alot of time Celebi beats itself by rolling low, it's not so much the deck is bad, I feel like the 50/50 in this game is off. Lastly, I've noticed alot of players in random, are playing the deck wrong. I see alot of potential with Celebi, it just needs more time.
I am still playing dragonite in this format. I use two Koffing and Weezing paired up with 2 Koga, the Dragonite line, 2 Potions, 1 X Speed and 1 Leaf, 2 Pokéballs and 2 Professor Research. I am defeating a lot of meta decks such as Gyarados, Charizard, Celebi, Mewtwo and even, sometimes, Pikachu. The mais issue is to have the Weezing on with dratini on the bench. Sometimes, also, I simply don't get the yellow and Blue energies, they all come of one type and I lose. But, in the emblem event, I managed to get 6 ein streak. It is also very fun to hut a 200 on Gyarados EX hahahaha
Scolipede + Nidoking is the way to go. Played a lot of it last week and the only bad matchup is Celibi because of the potential 100 dmg at turn 2. Gyarados, Mewtwo can't stand a chance.
How is no one playing Alakazam? Maybe I'm wrong, but Alakazam counters most of the decks in the meta. Only bad matchups are Pikachu and Scolipide out of this list. Everything needs a lot of energy to do big damage. Alakazam is oneshoting anything that need 4+ energy. Mew EX is good to help with bad starts or just a backup when Jynx can't claim an early prize. Mew into Mewtwo. Alakazam is better into Celibi than Mew. Most Celibi players load up too much energy on one Celibi and Alakazam oneshot it. For 250+ damage every time. Gyarados needs 4 energy. That's 180 damage, resulting in a oneshot one Gyarados. Mew into Charizard, of course. Golem has the same problem as Gyarados. This is Alakazam time to shine, and it seems like no one is playing it or people are losing. I don't know. I just don't understand why anyone hasn't tried to play this anit-meta deck.
If Celibi EX read "this pokemon deals 25 damage for each energy attached to it" would it be a good card? Over a large tournament this is what is effectively happening. And that rate seems a lot weeker than what most meta decks are doing.
@invertbrid If Serperior is out than Celebi effectively has 4 energy so that math on the expected value works out the same. That speaks more to how cracked Serperior is than how good Celebi is. Celebi is just the only one who can scale greatly off of Serperior. If Celebii wants to reliably OHKO something at 120hp, it should expect to get to at least 5 energy. So if you don't have Serperior you need 1 more than Gyarados, who hides behind Druddigon to buy just enough time to get to 4 energy (when those Misty flips fail) And I think that's where the issue lies. Celebi depends on Serperior harder than Mewtwo EX depends on Gardevoir, with no real tools to consistently get Serperior.
@@justwantawholename yea slab in Mewtwo deck kinda pretty nice boost to it's consistency. While celebi is just like old Mewtwo and pretty hard if u brick on the stage 2 support.
One Pidgeot EX and one regular Pidgeot is better build imo. Also, I feel like any early game from Weezing to Executor is better colorless alternatives. Except maybe Wigglytuff?
So far I had been playing druddigon greninja with Tauros since a youtuber took it to a tournament and it seemed really fun. I just got my second gyarados today so I'll be trying this one out for sure.
2x Greninja 2x Druddigon and 1x Mew is super strong and consistent from my own experience. I win consistently against Mewtwo and Celebi decks due to the threat of Mew with 2 energy on the bench, and constant sniping by Greninjas. Even against Gyarados decks, if they did not get a early godly Misty roll I can win too. The only times I lose is when my Greninja evolution got badly RNG'd with both cards I need lying on the bottom of the deck. Furthermore, the Pikachu deck should be ran with Zebstrika - it can snipe Pokemons setting up behind Druddigon and is super strong against Magikarps with only 1 energy requirement.
I use the version with 2 tauros instead of 1 mew (saw it from Jeff) and is very fun and very strong. The bullfrog deck, you use tauros as attacker againts EX a d Drud against non EX decks and Ninja is support or e e attack only against blaine.
Celebi deck have similar playstile than mewtwo, but it's more inconsistent, i started playing it in the emblem event, but ended getting the 45 wins with mewtwo because of that.
I really have a hard time finding a place for mewEx. The 3 energy cost makes it difficult to build, even in high energy rate decks, and it doesn't win a 1v1 against some opponents like Gyarados even with the advantage.
Muk is better than Scolipede , Muk can be Koga'd is only a stage 1 as compared to a Stage 2 , does require 1 more energy . Though consider would rather wait ONE additional turn for 1 energy , or wait COUNTLESS turns to get all the evos you need .
Dhelmise is problematic. It can practically reverse stall you, it's cost of 2 energy to either attack or retreat is costly. Compared to eggs extremely quick damage ramp its a no brainer
Not the largest sample size, but I beat a Gyarados Druddigon Greninja deck by using Arcanine, and I think Volc fixes the Gyarados matchup a bit. If they don't get the best luck with having karp/gyarados/misty heads, you can go ham on their backline while their Druddigon sits idly, and just one hit into a Gyarados guarantees, outside of 2 potions, that Arcanine will oneshot back when Gyarados tries to come in. Volcarona happens to kill Karp, Froakie, and Frogadier, and Arcanine kills everything but Gyarados.
@@jamesban Yeah. The difference is that Volc can act as a can opener. Mew and Arcanine have to be purely reactive or else they get oneshot. Basically unwinnable without a lucky rush.
Celebi can be tough to set-up but has no plan b. Mewtwo can still win without Gardevoir. Gyarados can win without greninja. Pikachu setup is super easy. Celebi can almost never win without Serperior.
I’m sorry to be that guy, but I was playing that exact Golem deck (expect 2 potions and no hitmonlee) and used it for most of my 45 emblem wins. So proud of myself that I made it myself and then see someone get to the final with it.
That build of Gyarados isn't reliant on misty tho, especially if goes second. It's mostly just throw 1 prizer walls to u like druddigon and greeninja, until It can go to front and one shot ur celebi. Tho the deck indeed pretty slow, so if u are celebi player should've have time to beat it by building ur celebi on bench and attack with other poke first like exegutor or dhalmise, then when Gyarados finally up, u can hope one shot it with celebi from bench that hopefully has 4+ energies + serperior. Also celebi suffers from consistency as well like previous build of Mewtwo, if they brick the serperior / Gardevoir, deck become lot worse.n
Try this deck i made its unique and powerful. Its water fire. DECK LIST: 2x Druddigon 2x Sizzlipede 2x Centiskorch 2x Magikarp 2x Gyarados EX 1x Articuno EX 1x Moltres EX 2x Pokeball 2x Professors Research 2x Misty 2x Leaf
Is the only pokemon that can one shot geyridos or golem, but ok Scared of mew ? Play double Giovanni for Arcanine to kill it easy or play slow and keep char for the check mate
@HB-kq6lw you say like it is a trivial thing to do. Before it was already the least consistent of the top decks and every other got better and faster. We can't ignore that before it was the third better and now it doesn't appears on the board.
I got 2nd in a tournament of 160 people the match against Gyarados is One off the worst but if you know what you need to do you win going second and setup scolipede and mew ex you can win
The beauty of pidgeot is that you can play anything with it to put more pressure because drudd and stalling isnt good enough. Mostly with marshadow and marawak. It even works with legendary birds and mew of course.
I think the "standard" list shown in this video that people have been passing around is hot garbage. What a stupid way to build the deck.
been seeing a lot of success and fun with mew and drudd in pidgeot
@@NectarineBoywell that sounds like its a Mew deck not a Pige deck .
@@malaysiaa_xo nah mew is just a secondary tank with budding explorer
Nahhh that Blaine/Ninetails/Rapidash deck definitely underrated and needs to be A-tier or S-tier. The set up and DMG is so fast and high for cheap. I have beaten all of these decks in the video multiple times over before they even get to setup properly. That deck has even gotten opponents to concede turn 2 many times. Did my 45 event match wins within like 2-3 hrs. Favorite deck by far.
Celebi's biggest weakness is the grass typing. The deck functions similarly to Mewtwo, however fire is far more competitive as a whole than dark right now.
Yeah an argument could be made there, but the grass typing also gives it good sustain with Erika into decks that can't one shot it.
Scolipede is much better with a Tauros or Mew ex in the deck. It is SO much better than Arbok was last format. Golem is the only match up you're hard losing. Its closest comparison is the Blaine deck because it's fairly even but has a great match up against an S tier. The difference is Scolipede favors better into mewtwo than blaine does into Pikachu. Definitely fits more in with the A decks than the B. Pikachu also feels weaker than S, but new toy syndrome brought a lot of people away from the old Raichu which I think is incorrect so it's probably still S.
Gyarados is just kinda nuts though. I'd give it an S+ honestly. I also agree with Celebi, it's a little too early to write it off even though it performed poorly.
Mate this guy thinks druddigons attack is unusable... There's no hope here for him.
@@stevenroberts4356For now, it is tho. U will barely ever attack with it. Maybe in tauros deck if it goes against non EX deck, that's about it.
Most ppl just use it as early wall while building their real attacker on the bench.
@@invertbrid mate is pidgeot ex, Tauros, Greninja, kangaskahn, and Mew suddenly bad cards? Each has there strengths and weaknesses against various meta cards and all can be ran dual energy with out many hiccups. The option is always nice, plus he deals 110 for 3 or 130 if it took two to bring him down, then there is the fact that some games you only draw two basics, the option to build one on the bench while the other chips a celibi or starmie into range is strong enough to pull out wins where druddigon being unable to attack would mean a concede. I feel like y'all can't think outside the box of 4 basics or 10 mons per deck and anything dual colored is inherently bad.
@@invertbrid just watch hooglands Pidgeot ex video and tell me it never attacks or is bad. The only reason Pidgeot ex with fire and water isn't played in the tournament scene is the open deck list format, in my opinion.
@@stevenroberts4356 those aren't bad cards, but those are way better attacker than druddigon plus don't have energy restriction as bad as druddigon.
Druddigon is best atm as walls, that's about it. U will only see ppl using it to attack in urgent scenario either in tauros deck if fight non EX, or emergency attack if u brick in decks like Pidgeot and Tauros. U will not build druddigon unless ur Pidgeot brick so hard.
That's about it. In other decks, it's just there to stall, like Gyarados Dragonite deck.
I love the scolipede deck, I was able to fend off a lot of celebis and pilachus as well early in ladder.
If you are able to make perfect moves, you’ll be able to perform well with it for sure.
At the very least the lack of coin usage made it more skillful than other deck.
Played with the golem deck a bit after it won and it is indeed sweet. Some draws are annoying to get through with it, but that's every deck. Not the simplest deck to play either, some decisions have far reaching effects in it like setting up your bench incorrectly can cost you games.
You're absolutely right. I'm gonna try a Pokedex in it, but not sure what to take out 🤔
@@informantii tried the deck with pokedex, i threw it out after 2 games. it just doesn't help much if after playing pokedex-pokeball, the golem is still in the bottom of the deck
I've played it a lot, even before it got first at the tournament (I saw it went 5-0 on saturday and had to test it), and I still don't see any use for the potion. Do you guys have tried something else ? I use Sabrina
@@shroobctr267 Yep, I did the same and swapped potion for Sabrina
@@aditm4 Yeah, I tried it and didn't like it for same reason.
This is why I run a Salandit with Scolipede Weezing.
Edit: Yeah, Gyarados just got to fifth place, I stand corrected.
Not even 4th. 5th. 1st is golem, 2nd arcanine, 3rd pikachu, 4th charizard, 5th gyarados
@@james-bx4wr Oh yeah I missed the Charizard above it.
@@james-bx4wrbetter than not having a top 32 spot since launch
nope. gyarados + shuriken OP bro. almost all pokemon one hit. and gyarados itself need 2 hit to die.
@@MuchlisNopq You could say the same about Charizard EX. It's OP if you get it set up, yes. But setup is the weakness of the deck.
Tip for scolipede adding mew is insane
That is how i play it, don't think it is S in power but it is S tier in fun 😂
dude this is literally my favorite type of videos, I hope to get a tier list update at least every two weeks!
I’ve been playing Druddegon, Greninja, Rapidash and having a lot of success! It’s a pretty versatile deck since Greninja and Rapidash both use one colorless. Easy to pivot attackers based on situation/matchup.
Druddigon is deadass the best non-EX pokemon in this set; it just enables soooo many decks and playstyles
It's just bad against Primeape
Really love the video, gyrados and golem on the top of the meta is literally a pipe dream
What about fitting in mew to the wheezing deck? Could
Yeah I missed it. Scolipede weezing without mew doesn’t seem to work
@@EduLoneWolf7417huh? I don't use mew and I win just fine
Mew is too slow for pulling off the combo.
Looks good, as weezing only need 1 energy and scoli only need 2. U will often have leftover energies u can use for other pokes, either building another scolipede or mew to counter the likes of Mewtwo reliably without needing to poison it.
It's good in other matchup too. Can one shot ninetails and Charizard. Sadly can't one hit lot other decks without gio or poison em first using weezing.
The rough part of scolipede is mostly if opp can one shot ur weezing....then u will have kinda hard time.
@@Givenn.. mew is a backup plan, you use him only only matches a d run only 1 copy.
Pidgeot player here, relying on it as your main attacker is definitely not the way the deck should be played (imo). You need good early / mid game attackers to soften up your opponent’s Pokémon & get a few knockouts so Flute is live when / if you need it. Pidgeot should be what closes out games.
Because it’s Colorless, you can run pretty much anything with it. I’ve been having decent success with Pidgeot / Exeggutor EX since you can sit on the ladder and get great return on a 1 energy attacker that’s beefy like him. You could probably run a variant with Aerodactyl to eliminate RNG from Exeggutor’s coin flips & include X Speeds over Leaf since they both have 1 Retreat costs so the deck isn’t bogged down by too many Trainer cards.
I think the wheezing Scolipede is a tier personally I think using mystic coffing is much worse than old coffing as for most decks that early pressure actually makes a huge difference and adding taurus might help but after playing hours with it I don’t think taurus is all that good tbh as it is more of a tech option that feels bad to use honestly
You need the new coffing to thin the deck and make it easier to pull the scolipede line and kogas
Your Celebi rant is ON POINT! So many times while I’ve been playing Gyarados, my Celebi opponent would overcommit energy to the 1st active Celebi. If they just powered up a 4 energy benched Celebi to match my 4 energy Gyarados, then I’d be toast, because their 2nd attacker is much better than mine. (Same with Charizard. Just attack with Moltres!! Don’t go straight into Charizard with no backup attacker!)
I find Scolipede/Wheezing with one Salandit plays a lot better especially against green decks.
Wait how about Venusaur ex deck? Or any other old meta decks what happened to them?
Are they still competitively viable or are they getting powercreep
@@PolitictalDipsit Charizard ex is no more
Pika and Mewtwo still top tier as u can see in video. Arcanine see more usage as well, and Blaine still pretty decent, has good selebi matchup too. Starmie still pretty good as well.
Charizard maybe kinda bit lower now but still pretty good. Venusaur sadly kinda eh, it got boost with serperior but struggles being 2 stage 2 in the deck, pretty inconsistent.
@@invertbrid How about like Dragonite?
@@PolitictalDipsit I mean it was never top tier contender. It's mid tier at most, bit below average even.
But yea it mostly still the same. The deck got new better tank tho with druddigon.
Power creep will continue to dominate as soon as new set releases
I used to have some fun playing with Victreebell and regular Pidgeot combo. It gives you a really good control over the other players bench. The only issue was, that if you don't get a full evolutionary line, you are done. That combo might be more useful in the future, when we get trainers that allow to search for different evolutionary stages.
I truly believe Pidgeot EX is at least bottom A tier. It just wins especially if they don't know how how deal with Drudd. Also PokeFlute just steals games sometimes, and is hard to play around.
Did you miss him explaining that people make sure to keep their bench low? Especially when deck lists aren't hidden in the tournaments. I've definitely won most of my games against it.
@UnluckyHydra I watched the video. I was just giving my opinion.
Toldja new Graveller was amazing, allowing you to use him on curve. ;)
Though using Drudd/hitmonlee to allow New Golem to 1 hit was clever, and makes it so old one is no longer superior.
I've never had a problem with people trying to play around Pidgeot EX, but then again I always have another attacker in the deck, usually a 1 energy attacker like Farfetch, Weezing, or other. Usually if they try to limit bench they lose when I Sabrina in their only pokemon on bench and this is usually without me even needing to use the Flute to get out the pokemon I already KOd. My advice is to never run Pidgeot EX if your only other way to damage opponent is Druddigon.
I also almost always run Druddigon regardless of which energy build I run. I've had great results running Hypno in the deck for added stall. My current build has 1 Hypno, 1 Druddigon, and 2 Farfetchd. I might switch back to a build with Chatot instead.
The non-Chatot build prefers to go heavier on the stall in place of digging into Pidgeot EX pieces faster.
13:10 i play Pidgeot with Weezing. Its defenetly not S tier (high B, low A maybe), but Wheezing greatly improve Mewtwo matchups.
I think the correct way to play Celebi right now is lilligant sub engine. It applys pressure with 50 dmg, which reduces the amount of heads you need for celebi late game, while also building up celebi in the back. In my experience this trades very favorably into Druddigon. You can use Erika to keep Lilligant healthy if necessary, force out the Gyarados, and then bring in Celebi for the kill. Lilligant version does have a worse match up into Blaine for sure but personally I'm willing to take that trade off. Lilligant increases Celebi's ceiling the most and that's the way we should be leaning.
Celebi likely didn't have one bad weekend. If we only had one tournament to go off we could maybe conclude that. But it put up about 40% winrate results across every tournament it was played in. Maybe there was a target on it's back? but it's results were ABYSSMAL. The entire format is lined up to kill 130 HP mew, and is killing Celebi by coincidence.
Maybe we see some major innovation that helps it bounce back, but celebi is so energy hungry and the grass pool is so shallow. I'm not sure where that innovation comes from.
Honestly its just not super consistent. Better than marowak, but flat damage numbers are better than flips. Also the low health stat doesn't help for sure cause you can just trade kos with it easy.
The difficulty for Celebi is the fact Arcanine and Charizard decks exist. Not only do you have to hit your coin flips but you have to dodge one of the pillars of the format in Swiss to get anywhere.
How many total wins do you guys have in pocket? I’m at 1,216 wins..level 40 and free to play.
How do I get into the tournament scene? I have almost every card in the game, only missing new ex lol
There's no resistance in this version of the game. Fighting resistance was the most common one , so it makes sense the golem deck doing good vs the actual TCG.
Pikachu w/o raichu loses to celebi due to the capability to tank the 90s dmg playing a erica + potion. And since everyone's running celebi the first week or two it's why it's declined. I myself was struggling so I switched to blaine and found greater success to farm the 50 wins.
As long as we don't have a support that does what victribel ability does, decks that don't have the OHKO potential will struggle vs matchups that can tank their dmg for several turns.
do you think lilligant can help acceralte celebi? or is the standard card comp still superior? I also like using golem agaisnt pikachu ex- 30 atk, and makes it do barely any damage, makes it hit like a wet noodle
I think serperior is still better than lilligant
And same lol Pikachu and articunos do nothing to him
I prefer Lilligant to exeggutor, it’s an okay front line attacker that you don’t mind losing for lower energy or less reward points, while ramping for your main goal, celebi
Another great recap!
My strongest deck as of now is
Aerodactyl Exeggutor.
Leaf and the new Eggxecute really made Exeggutor a lot stronger. Even if you got a fighting energy the egg can generate grass energy and Aerodactyl being fast 2 energy dmg dealer. And a one mew for counter matchups. I got 13ws out of it, i never lost to gyarados
Do you run dual energy? I've made a few similar decks running only fighting, but Exeggutor tends to be really bad going first then (how ironic!)
@sebastiandunning9236 yes i do run two energy, exeggutor going first isnt as bad because of blue
Had decent matchups into Gyarados and Scoilopede with my Blaine deck. The new rapidash and magmar help fix a lot of numbers with Blaine. I feel like I've beat Mewtwo at least 80% of the time as well because most of them aren't running potions now. One high flip on poyta or rapidash helps a lot.
I’ve only played celebi with shiinotic line and it’s been really solid for me. Not as much wall potential as egg but the sleep status is amazing for stall
@13:35 I'm extremely unconvinced that this is how Pidgeot should be built, i dont get why this list is standard.
Yeah i played Pidgeot with Farfetch and Marshadow and got way better results than this. They all put a lot of pressure with low energy.
Gyrados EX, greninja, druddigon is the new meta for sure, just went 12-0 during the event with it
The dark deck you just add a mew or a Tauros what are you on? 7:16
Golem just won the latest Ursiiday tournament so I feel like it deserves a low S at the very least
The problem with the charizard deck you showed is that it's missing a giovanni. I know zard hits for 200, but the giovanni + moltres or arcanine has won me soooo many games. It makes the mu against pika so much easier because it one shots zapdos. It can also one shot mew, and if you play around mew correctly imo it should be VERY hard for the mew to be able to use charizard's attack against it
Alright hear me out. Pidgeot needs a wall that can take a prize or two early while still being able to build up energy on the bird. Why not pair up with one of your favourite cards from Genetic Apex, Exeggutor EX? Only one energy, takes at least a few hits to KO, and can knock a few into the discard pile for you to Flute back in for Pidgeot to clean up late game.
Completly agree with the celebi take into gyarados when I played you we both high rolled and I comfortably won then when playing celebi on my own upon both players low rolling celebi vs gyarados the celebi still won I'm bamboozled at the statistics personally
Hey Tilly, great content. Got my sub. Where can I find pkm tcg pocket tournament info? Is there a discord or somwthing?
Search "Limitless tournaments"
tell me why i hit "delete save data" following advice from a youtube video saying i wouldn't lose my account if its linked to Apple, and I lost my level 28 account I'm heartbroken why did I want a second account
what do you expect?
@ it was dumb I know
Not even mentioning Starmie/Articuno? I feel like it's a pretty solid A tier even in the Celebi meta.
Where would florges mew deck place bc it can counter some meta decks like mewtwo and celebi
I kick butt with Alakazam / Kabutops. You think Aerodactyl / Alakazam would be better? Always start with abra as your only basic Pokémon so it always grows & teleports out of active spot, only needs 1 color energy limiting dual energy problems , has super effective options against mewtwo & pikachu decks, and Aerodactyl evolves quicker than Kabutops. Alakazam one shots everything
I am extremely succesful with Blaine deck with 1x Mew EX in it, its very strong. I am also running 2x Farfetched's instead of Kangaskhans
To solve the scolipede i think you have to ditch the scolipede in favor of muk, and add a tauros, so now we have a plan against pikachu. Still, i don't think its enough to get into A tier.
What celebi needs is a good ex basic wall to tank the first 2-3 hits, like the bird trio, then it will become tier1. Exxegutor ex is almost it, but needing exxegute just bricks your deck so many times.. I had more luck playing the anchor with 100hp.
I've watched alot of the tournaments matches with Celebi, I've been playing Celebi and playing against Celebi since the set launched. I feel like Celebi doesn't have a best build ATM, we're still trying to figure out what works. Also, alot of time Celebi beats itself by rolling low, it's not so much the deck is bad, I feel like the 50/50 in this game is off. Lastly, I've noticed alot of players in random, are playing the deck wrong. I see alot of potential with Celebi, it just needs more time.
I am still playing dragonite in this format. I use two Koffing and Weezing paired up with 2 Koga, the Dragonite line, 2 Potions, 1 X Speed and 1 Leaf, 2 Pokéballs and 2 Professor Research. I am defeating a lot of meta decks such as Gyarados, Charizard, Celebi, Mewtwo and even, sometimes, Pikachu. The mais issue is to have the Weezing on with dratini on the bench. Sometimes, also, I simply don't get the yellow and Blue energies, they all come of one type and I lose. But, in the emblem event, I managed to get 6 ein streak. It is also very fun to hut a 200 on Gyarados EX hahahaha
I ran through every deck posing massacre until I came upon the Golem deck twice and got Stoned
Scolipede + Nidoking is the way to go. Played a lot of it last week and the only bad matchup is Celibi because of the potential 100 dmg at turn 2. Gyarados, Mewtwo can't stand a chance.
I've played Gyarados EX on this new PVP event and I got around 80% win rate (played against almost everything which is used to play in tours)
probably need 2 sabrina, and maybe pikachu and snipe the bench magikarp, or hitmonlee deck lol
Can anyone explain why that mew ex is used in every deck?
His copying attack is all colorless so u can put it in every decks and its can oneshot charizard and mew2 with that
How is no one playing Alakazam? Maybe I'm wrong, but Alakazam counters most of the decks in the meta. Only bad matchups are Pikachu and Scolipide out of this list. Everything needs a lot of energy to do big damage. Alakazam is oneshoting anything that need 4+ energy.
Mew EX is good to help with bad starts or just a backup when Jynx can't claim an early prize. Mew into Mewtwo. Alakazam is better into Celibi than Mew. Most Celibi players load up too much energy on one Celibi and Alakazam oneshot it. For 250+ damage every time. Gyarados needs 4 energy. That's 180 damage, resulting in a oneshot one Gyarados. Mew into Charizard, of course. Golem has the same problem as Gyarados.
This is Alakazam time to shine, and it seems like no one is playing it or people are losing. I don't know. I just don't understand why anyone hasn't tried to play this anit-meta deck.
The new salandit is an interesting filler card for weezing/scolipede. It does well against grass typing as well.
If Celibi EX read "this pokemon deals 25 damage for each energy attached to it" would it be a good card? Over a large tournament this is what is effectively happening. And that rate seems a lot weeker than what most meta decks are doing.
I don't think so, 25 is too low. With 2 energies + serperior u will only do 100.
If 30 it would be still good, tho idk if as good as 50 coinflip.
@invertbrid If Serperior is out than Celebi effectively has 4 energy so that math on the expected value works out the same. That speaks more to how cracked Serperior is than how good Celebi is. Celebi is just the only one who can scale greatly off of Serperior.
If Celebii wants to reliably OHKO something at 120hp, it should expect to get to at least 5 energy. So if you don't have Serperior you need 1 more than Gyarados, who hides behind Druddigon to buy just enough time to get to 4 energy (when those Misty flips fail)
And I think that's where the issue lies. Celebi depends on Serperior harder than Mewtwo EX depends on Gardevoir, with no real tools to consistently get Serperior.
@@justwantawholename yea slab in Mewtwo deck kinda pretty nice boost to it's consistency.
While celebi is just like old Mewtwo and pretty hard if u brick on the stage 2 support.
One Pidgeot EX and one regular Pidgeot is better build imo. Also, I feel like any early game from Weezing to Executor is better colorless alternatives. Except maybe Wigglytuff?
So far I had been playing druddigon greninja with Tauros since a youtuber took it to a tournament and it seemed really fun. I just got my second gyarados today so I'll be trying this one out for sure.
You won’t regret it. Farmed the emblem event in 2 hours with it. MewTwo almost always loses against it Drud, Gren, Gyarados deck lol
love ur vids man u and jeff are who inpires the decks i test in tourneys
Well thank you I appreciate it :)
2x Greninja 2x Druddigon and 1x Mew is super strong and consistent from my own experience. I win consistently against Mewtwo and Celebi decks due to the threat of Mew with 2 energy on the bench, and constant sniping by Greninjas. Even against Gyarados decks, if they did not get a early godly Misty roll I can win too. The only times I lose is when my Greninja evolution got badly RNG'd with both cards I need lying on the bottom of the deck.
Furthermore, the Pikachu deck should be ran with Zebstrika - it can snipe Pokemons setting up behind Druddigon and is super strong against Magikarps with only 1 energy requirement.
I use the version with 2 tauros instead of 1 mew (saw it from Jeff) and is very fun and very strong. The bullfrog deck, you use tauros as attacker againts EX a d Drud against non EX decks and Ninja is support or e e attack only against blaine.
Just dont use Taurus on Greninja deck. Use Mew instead. Same energy requirements but the card is actually decent
Celebi deck have similar playstile than mewtwo, but it's more inconsistent, i started playing it in the emblem event, but ended getting the 45 wins with mewtwo because of that.
I really have a hard time finding a place for mewEx. The 3 energy cost makes it difficult to build, even in high energy rate decks, and it doesn't win a 1v1 against some opponents like Gyarados even with the advantage.
But maybe I'm just missing something
Picachu its going to rise up now as a way to fight Gyarados lol
The Gyarados Deck is pretty broken from my experiences using it. Even without an ideal opening draw, you can still work it to destroy other decks.
I use a variant if that scoloipede deck but with an ekans and arbol thrown so effective
I feel like colorless attackers have bad matchups because it feels really weak without having any typing advantage on anything
Muk is better than Scolipede , Muk can be Koga'd is only a stage 1 as compared to a Stage 2 , does require 1 more energy . Though consider would rather wait ONE additional turn for 1 energy , or wait COUNTLESS turns to get all the evos you need .
also the damage and effect are the same
Gyarados not losing to Mew is really big.
I prefer celebi dexk with dhelmise instead of exeggutor line
Dhelmise is problematic. It can practically reverse stall you, it's cost of 2 energy to either attack or retreat is costly. Compared to eggs extremely quick damage ramp its a no brainer
@@MontageHustle Dhelmise is just Lapras but grass
@keroro407 Water is blue.
You can deny Gyarados by using hitmonlee using the golem deck, I think Golem deck might take the cherry on the cake
That’s been my favorite part lmao hitmonlee sniping magikarps is SICK
i dont why celebi ist more value, cause when i use wheezing scolipade i really easy to beat celebi deck and mewtwo deck
Not the largest sample size, but I beat a Gyarados Druddigon Greninja deck by using Arcanine, and I think Volc fixes the Gyarados matchup a bit. If they don't get the best luck with having karp/gyarados/misty heads, you can go ham on their backline while their Druddigon sits idly, and just one hit into a Gyarados guarantees, outside of 2 potions, that Arcanine will oneshot back when Gyarados tries to come in.
Volcarona happens to kill Karp, Froakie, and Frogadier, and Arcanine kills everything but Gyarados.
Did you run volc in place of mew?
@@jamesban Yeah. The difference is that Volc can act as a can opener. Mew and Arcanine have to be purely reactive or else they get oneshot. Basically unwinnable without a lucky rush.
So what’s the deck list
@@RR-95-GR 2 Moltres, 2 Growlithe, 2 Arcanine, 1 Larvesta, 2 Volcarona, 2 Leaf, 2 Oak, 2 pokeballs, 2 Giovanni, 1 X-speed, 1 Blue, 1 Sabrina
@@keion_arknights Gonna try this out. Thanks!
Use Tauros in poison to win
Definitely run a Leaf instead of red card in Mol Char Arc
dope sweater, chief
Golem is sick. I see it being up there for sure
Now if only I'd managed to pull a single Brock across my 1,600 cards
@ounedtg use pack points
One Mew has worked great for me with on scoliped
Umi run the celeby with lilligrant over the egg. Just double down on makin sure celeby is flippin 10+ coins and u got it everytime
Celebi can be tough to set-up but has no plan b.
Mewtwo can still win without Gardevoir.
Gyarados can win without greninja.
Pikachu setup is super easy.
Celebi can almost never win without Serperior.
Pidgeot/Mew/Drudd is fantastic
I’m sorry to be that guy, but I was playing that exact Golem deck (expect 2 potions and no hitmonlee) and used it for most of my 45 emblem wins. So proud of myself that I made it myself and then see someone get to the final with it.
Celebi Serperior is for sure busted. Best deck cosistently imo. Especially since gyarados relies on Misty.
That build of Gyarados isn't reliant on misty tho, especially if goes second.
It's mostly just throw 1 prizer walls to u like druddigon and greeninja, until It can go to front and one shot ur celebi.
Tho the deck indeed pretty slow, so if u are celebi player should've have time to beat it by building ur celebi on bench and attack with other poke first like exegutor or dhalmise, then when Gyarados finally up, u can hope one shot it with celebi from bench that hopefully has 4+ energies + serperior.
Also celebi suffers from consistency as well like previous build of Mewtwo, if they brick the serperior / Gardevoir, deck become lot worse.n
Pigeot ex with mew ex works pretty good
I’m playing the gyarados with chatot and it’s doing great lmao
Articuno staryu deck for me has been fricking consistent and dominant. Idk
Grininja is the real problem for celebi decks.
Mewtwo has actually underperformed.
Try this deck i made its unique and powerful. Its water fire.
DECK LIST:
2x Druddigon
2x Sizzlipede
2x Centiskorch
2x Magikarp
2x Gyarados EX
1x Articuno EX
1x Moltres EX
2x Pokeball
2x Professors Research
2x Misty
2x Leaf
Rip charizard ex
No support and got a universal counter
Is the only pokemon that can one shot geyridos or golem, but ok
Scared of mew ? Play double Giovanni for Arcanine to kill it easy or play slow and keep char for the check mate
@HB-kq6lw you say like it is a trivial thing to do.
Before it was already the least consistent of the top decks and every other got better and faster.
We can't ignore that before it was the third better and now it doesn't appears on the board.
I just play serperior, celebi an 1 or 2 mew ex - mew ex breaks ninetales, magmars, charizards.
Pikachu gonna have to come back because water is everywhere
Pina loves going second, but if it is zeb pika when going first it can 1shot a benched magikarp XD
I must say you have the best videos for pocket! Very in depth and alot of knowledge!
I got 2nd in a tournament of 160 people the match against Gyarados is One off the worst but if you know what you need to do you win going second and setup scolipede and mew ex you can win
Looking at Gyarados Greninja it can only be the best deck, 389 Games 59% winrate??!
Celebi has to be S tier. I win just as much as Pikachu with Celebi, if not more
Numbers don't lie dude, deck struggles in tournaments. Perhaps it can be optimized in the coming weeks but it's typing is its biggest weekness.
The new rapidash can one shot druddigon wall don’t forget. So u place ninetales deck too low
Machamp ex aero ex 1 chatot is peak dont sleep