Madame Web wasn't ready to be released
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- Опубликовано: 29 фев 2024
- Madame Web was bad in a confusing way and not a fun way. Let's talk poor timeline choices, confusing motivations, and chest compressions saving the day!
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The success of the spider verse films plus The Boys and Invincible prove that superhero fatigue isnt a thing. People just want good movies/shows.
exactly!!!!
We just want good movies...
This is true.
True. Maybe some people who aren’t huge fans are bored of it but that’s normal. Like I like horror and you’d never hear “oh there’s a horror fatigue” or people are tired of romance or people are bored of action movies in general. People are always going to like what they’re going to like, there’s always going to be an audience for a genre, it’s a lazy excuse.
imo part of it is also that market saturation has been reached as far as productions with a decent budget. A lot of the early Marvel films aren’t all that good in retrospect, but they came out at a point when they were the best thing in town as far as the genre went. A lot of the current productions seem to assume that setting $50+ million on fire for a CGI slugfest or whatever is still enough to be self-justifying as an interesting movie because Marvel pulled it off, but audiences have gotten a movie like that every 2-3 months for a decade at this point.
What's really disappointing to me personally is that in the comics Madame Webb is a blind, paralysed, elderly woman with psychic powers, and in Spiderman TAS she's a cosmic being from another dimension, which are both options you could do a lot with. Either way I feel cheated out of a cool old lady character, but I suppose I shouldn't have expected any different 😔
Hollywood is never going to make a superhero movie about an old woman. We are many, many years away from that level of progress. You may get an indie film to attempt it, if you're lucky.
@@esosaimasuen8122what did you get from being the bearer of such curmudgeonly news?
Well, they have to someone young and hot! Can’t be having older superheroes or anything like that! Old people can’t do anything!!!
That's So Raven did a better job of briefly seeing the future than Madame Web portrayed it.
Oh God, YES!
you can gaze into the future~
Omygod yesss
I think the most disrespected woman in comics is the Spider that bit Peter Parker. She used to be unique but now it feels like if you spill some Red Bull on a wolf spider you get spider people.
At this point there might be more spider people in the Marvel universes than there are non-people spiders.
Catch me in my back yard hunting for wolf spiders, with a Red Bull in hand 🕷️🦸♀️
Instructions unclear I now have a highly caffeinated spider
dakota switching agencies after the first trailer was released makes this movie so much funnier than it already is (because of how terrible it is, makes it funny)
“What have I done”
She Instantly Regrets It
It was the 'walking 10 feet into the Amazon and finding the matching spot from a 30 year old photo' for me
I'm not tired of superheroes, I'm tired of bad movies
I'm tired of both
Same thing with live action remakes. Netflix last airbender could've been good, it was nearly there. The writers dropped some easy balls
Does the movie ever explain how she got from being a newborn orphan in Peru to being an emt in New York. Why didn't they just raise her....
She was too white so they didn’t want her to get called Ghost Spider since they knew it was taken (my head canon)
That sounds like it'd be an interesting story so I'm going to go with no.
They didn't raise her because she was with her mom in the Amazon researching spiders right before she died...
@@nailinthefashion this is hilarious thank you
I'm obsessed with the logistics of people in the Peruvian highlands delivering a random baby to the US foster care system. Did they just stick her in a box with holes in it and airmail it?
Spider-Swell using her great power of reasoning and common Spidey sense to hold Madame Webb responsible for being a terrible movie.
She accepted the responsibility and so came great power 🌊🕷️🕸️
How about Spider-man(da)?
nah, this was camp gold
I did not hate this movie but given that none of the characters had any superpowers except for Madame Webb and she was discovering hers this should have been set up more as a horror film or suspense film. Having a bad guy popping out almost catching them and then getting away I think it would have been more interesting almost like a slasher film like a Jason or Michael Myers. Especially since this is all pre superheroes everyone could have been freaked out as this guy is climbing walls and throwing cars.
But then the twist is that she ends up being the slasher, and the villain is legit disturbed by her always knowing what to do, like randomly turning on a light just for it to short circuit and shower him with glass. Something you know, interesting
@@nailinthefashionoooh kind of like a, “everything everywhere all at once” scenario
@@leahpeachie a lot like that actually. You could then even show her reconciling with Ezekiel in another life time, they get married in another, but then in the main timeline, she lures him up on the Pepsi roof (her web) they do some kung fu randomly even though she’s terrible at it and he’s like “all out of tricks?” And she’s like “I saved the best for last” at that’s when the sign randomly collapses on them both and you think it was a noble sacrifice but you show her in the Professor X hoverchair and she delivers the “I’ve never seen more clearly, actually” line …. A great movie is right there dude
Completely agree! And her powers would have perfectly worked with that style, like she is experiencing these horrific things and then getting the chance to redo it, so they could have made those visions actually horrifying.
@@taylorgayhart9497I literally thought that's what it'd be about...
Morbius was at least ridiculously horrible that the internet had fun discussing it. Madame Web was just painfully bad, and I just couldn’t have fun with it.
I had more fun with Web than Morbius. I think they were aware of how cheesy Web is, I think they thought Morbius was actually cool
@@nailinthefashion Same. I couldn't watch Morbius, but I enjoyed Web more than I expected to.
I can't speak for Madame Web, but personally, I found Morbius a cold and joyless experience.
@@veelogation3890 Web is like if the CW knew how cheesy it is. It’s what I wanted the Flash to be tbh but could be even more camp and awesome
I’m having fun with people railing it lol
My biggest gripe with the movie is how she got to Peru
This was post 9/11, she wouldve needed to use a passport and go to an airport with multiple cameras while being actively looked for by both the police and the villain's assistant
I'm still stuck on the 9 month preggo researcher. Most universities make you get a note from your doctor before you can even fly to a conference at 7 months, even as a low level staff member (vs 😇 faculty 😇). I love how there's never insurance or HR regulations in movies, esp in academia where it is actually very difficult to go rogue. The stack of paperwork prevents it 😂
Her motivation and urgency made sense but then it was just pure white privilege and they BOTH randomly fly directly to Peru, no issues, no need for a cool scene where the pilot passes out and she saves everyone or anything, they’re just in the rainforest. I died lmao
That’s cause many movies ignore the reality rules and bureaucracy paperwork makes things much harder to work unless you are rich and can self sustain one self. So they can make the story of the movie happen … honestly? I think a lot of these writers think we the viewers just don’t care or are stupid and will just go along without asking relevant questions?
@@Horus070If that's the case, then they don't deserve their jobs at all if they really believe we are too stupid to enjoy anything.
Airlines will demand a doctors note at the third trimester, because the chanfe in airpressure can trigger labour and no airline wants that on their flight
@@claritycrystal8742 well apparently many more agree w u that they do not think we are stupid… but if you watch some director’s commentaries you will hear them saying sometimes .. well … just go with it … as they laugh. I also seen in interviews.
I think they had Ezekiel speak in Spanish in the original cut. It's the only thing that could explain it. You don't have to scrap the script. You have to give the villain some clear motivation. He steals the spider and becomes rich? But how? And why? If injecting the spider venom let him see the future that would have explained it. He gets rich. He's not used to having money so he spends it frivolously and ends up poor again. So he starts injecting more but now he sees his death at the hands of the Spider Women and becomes obsessed. He overdoses on the venom which gives him powers but makes him crazy but in this last vision he sees the name of Sydney Sweeney's school and starts his search there... FIXED IT.
This sounds way better than what was given. This storyline would've at least made the movie so bad that it's good instead of what was given.
you cant tell me what to do, i am gonna translate the hell out of this!@@ville__
yeah, i am not going to subscribe and my heart will keep beating, yourse however,
@@ville__yawn... my heart is still beating
It's weird how they picked Madame Web of all characters to make a movie out of. I don't understand why they didn't just pick Spiderwoman or SpiderGwen to make a movie out of.
or silk (cindy moon)
Why not Japanese Spider-Man?
Peni Parker origin movie would be so sad they would not have the guts to make that... too much risk that the general public wouldn't like it cos its not all happy and everyone doesn't win@@hicknopunk
The opening segment of Across the Spider-Verse shows that Sony can make an amazing Spider-Gwen movie. So, good idea.
Yeah, I feel like a Spider-Gwen movie or any of the secondary spider characters who were in Across the Spider-verse would have done pretty well. Heck, even Lego Spiderman lol
I haven't seen this movie but Swell's description makes me think they made a first draft of a script before the strikes, skipped the editing part, and went straight to filming to bring in money asap
what's more awful about this movie is that production began in 2022, so this isn't even the case
They could've gone the self fulfilling prophecy route and made it so that Ezekiel getting visions of them having powers and killing him is what makes him decide to hunt them down, inadvertently causing the chain of events that leads to them getting powers in the first place
cliche and been done before a hundred times, but yea at least that would give some more reasoning behind his actions
Pretty sure that forest that's supposed to be Peru was also in New York so they didn't even leave for that.
They’re clearly in a similar forest to where she left the girls hahaha I would be shocked if they even used a green screen if or a project like this let alone on location in Peru
Idk if its just me getting older, or if movies really are just that BAD nowadays. There have always been "bad" movies but i cant help but feel like they used to be made with so much more love than they are now. I havent been excited for a new mainstream movie in years.
its not your age, they actually are getting really really bad.
mainstream movies are getting worse, but independent films are getting better. A24 movies would have never gotten the type of backing they do since that studio
It’s a lot easier for just anyone to make movies now. So I’d agree with you.
Captain Midnight did a great summary of media in general feeling like it can’t go coloring outside the lines. Madame Web is just another failure being thrown on a growing pile of charred/burned money. Multiverses mean we can replace actors and characters are figuratively immortal, casting wide “demographic nets” means certain boxes need to checked or reviewed for the biggest profit margin, and nothing can be too different to scare off new markets.
There are no nuances, no challenging storylines, and everything must be spoon-fed. During the Superbowl, 80% of the movie trailers were for reboots, sequels, or existing properties, with the other 20% (literally only 2) being carefully crafted from the same people associated with the former. Nothing can be new or engaging in fear of losing money thanks to bloated budgets, and at the same time it is starting to cripple the entertainment industry.
hard disagree on this one. there are so many good movies coming out, they’re just not the ones getting advertised. the iron claw, blackberry, perfect days, and so many more last year all had a marketing budget of $2 but were amazing. if more people showed up for these rather than superhero slop we might get even more..
I dont understand why cassie would even want to be an emt since she doesnt care about anyone???
There's a percentage of medical workers in it for the rush + God Complexes. Not kidding. Thankfully the minority of medical workers. But surgeons + emergency in particular attract those types.
i feel like a review of Argyle (the book, movie, and general weirdness that surrounded it) would be a perfect Swell video
i was completely unaware of any of the nonsense but the movie was such a fun silly watch, my fiancee and i had a great time cackling at it, it was honestly a great spy film satire like spy kids was!
@insidiouschaos812 I'm glad to see someone else who enjoyed it! I watched it with a friend, with the understanding that I was here to turn off my brain, and enjoy something crazy and silly fun. And we both enjoyed it! Did it 100% make sense? No! Was it corny and cringe at times? Yes! But it was fun to watch and I didn't feel like it was a waste of time.
I also felt like it was made with the woman gaze in mind, and that film bros/reddit bros would absolutely hate it 😂
@@DragonFlightRideri’ll be really honest, p much all of the twists are really well foreshadowed so theyre already in your brain when it happens it was so much fun for us
@@insidiouschaos812 I'm happy someone else liked it too! When I heard reviews talking about the bad cgi, I realized people were just not taking the movie where it was at. The first 10 minutes, the movie shows you it's gonna be silly, melodramatic, and ridiculous. The movie followed through on what it's first ten minutes promised and it turned out to be a really good time. I do wonder sometimes if this would be recieved better if the main character was a man. Bullet Train has the same producers, and it was honestly just as silly as this was, just with a more convoluted plot.
To my limited knowledge of seeing Madame Web in the 90s Spiderman cartoon, it seems like she should just stay a bad bitch that guides others instead of having a fleshed out origin. She seems so cool in that series. I wonder if it's less superhero fatigue and more origin stories that we don't care about? Feels like it lol
screen writing 101 would says you imply here powers have always been there and that is what has made it hard for her to connect with others and switch foster homes over and over again. Make it something she has been working against her whole life, thinking it is a curse and then have the protection of the kids force her to see it as a blessing, ending in her learning her mother was dying trying to save her. that is called lstory telling.
The other thing about the chronology shenanigans is, it's one thing to start out thinking Spider-Man is the origination point for all these other spider people in universe, then learn there was a secretive mystical time shenanigans spider lady working in the shadows. It's another thing to set up a world where the secret spider woman and an entire generation of her trainees bopping around a generation before Spider Man arrives on the scene. Also you hit on this but how fucked up is it that Spider-Man's canon event involves him choosing inaction and that unknowingly leads to the death of his uncle Ben, but in reality Madame Web KNOWINGLY chooses inaction in order to lead to the creation of Spider-Man and the death of her former friend Ben. Spider-Man is driven by the guilt he feels for that, and apparently Madame Web is completely immune to guilt for events she could have prevented and that's fine? No thank you.
Did you go to the elite event that was the Glasgow Wonka Experience???
who do you think was behind the Unknown? Swell of course
OMG when I saw that story, my first thought was, "poor swell probably missed it!". Tbh, the verbiage was so hard to read for that event, it was very obviously some sort of scam, and she prob would have skipped it. At some point, I almost cheer for the scammers these days. How are people getting *more* gullible over time? If consumers are going to lead themselves to scams, human nature tells us that scammers will not turn down that opportunity. I mean, I have a criminal brain and some days it is VERY hard to be a good person because people just get dumber and dumber...
@@gays4holtby110 her acting classes paid off😌
@@montananerd8244 the way this scam event turned into the best promo ever cause now we all heard about the movie... it's insane lmao
The props were not horrible. But zero chocolate and all the space and fail of the ai generated every content was not. 🎉👎
Explosives at the Pepsi building is my favorite band
They kinda fell off tho ngl
me and my father were able to see madame web yesterday in a COMPLETELY EMPTY THEATER luckily because that really made it fun for me. I don't think i would've had half the fun if i had to stay quiet throughout. we were constantly talking and commenting freely and it made the entire movie a lot more easy to get through. it was rlly bad though
My favorite part was when she said “It’s Webbin’ time” lol
Extended universe spiderman stuff is weird as fuck.
On one hand spiders are these really deep, interesting, symbolic animals, so you could totally have a set of characters with superpowers based solely around spiders.
However, Spider-Man was created with super science so putting peter parker into any of this, basically requires recontextualizing his entire origin.
To be fair, we still havent seen mcu spideys origin in complete detail so there is still room to grow that story with madame web. In all seriousness tho idk how they right this ship without making some sort of show series to give us more backstory on these characters and why we should care about thrm!
I just realized that Cassie and Paddington Bear have similar back stories of being from the Darkest Peru. But she ended up in NYC. This movie feels like it was meant to be a short film but since there is so much back and fourth it had the runtime of a feature film. It also felt incomplete as the movie makes you think there is going to be some big fight and it just doesn’t happen.
What do you mean there wasn't a big fight? The villain gets defeated by a Pepsi sign!
To answer the question posed in the first 30 seconds.
Sony contractually has to make a movie connected to the spider man IP every couple years in order to keep the movie license from defaulting back to marvel/Disney. And spiderman is such a massive money printing ip that Sony will do whatever it takes to hold on to said license. Including put out morbius, venom 2 and this.
Personally I liked the movie any time it wasn't forcing itself to be connected to spiderman. I really do like the premise of "we all know about the cool amazing thing, but let's tell a story about what happens before or after that point" it was interesting to me, I just wish they didn't have to bait us into the movie with Sydney Sweeney when she's not even really in it
It's so uncanny that we get Spider films like Morbius and Madame Web and then we get the esteemed soon to be trilogy that is the Spiderverse films. Two movies and one trilogy completely opposite of one another.
It’s so crazy that these movies all came from the same studio lol. Maybe Sony needs to just stick to animated Marvel movies and quit making the live action dumpster fires. Just keep using the same team making the Spiderverse movies to make animated movies of the other spider IPs they won’t let go of and fully give back to Marvel.
They’ll never be able to recreate to magic of morbius. The whole world agreed for once that it was indeed a movie
Dakota admitted herself that the script they shot was entirely different from what they shot and she was not okay with that at alllll. The person who wrote this was the same script writer as Morbius. He is known to just change scripts to whatever execs want rather than make them good because they are good at writing.
The four main actresses (and Adam Scott too gotta love him) carried this movie like a dehydrated camel in through the Sahara
The mcu has started feeling like homework. You need to watch all the miniserieseseses & movies & supplemental material & get at least 78% on the midterm & read the sparksnotes & & & & &
I think it's a mix of media companies catering to everyone, as well as people having less media literacy skills these days. I've noticed it more and more over the years, and at first I thought I was just being dumb picky. Now I'm realizing it might be the companies producing literal garbage, with no love/effort put into it and expecting us to consume it.
I don't think anything new is going on, really. The nature of capitalism means that entertainment trends get run into the ground in every era. We tend to remember past decades, even those we experienced, by the most memorable media produced, & we forget the absolute trash...and the fewer viewers, as with old "B" and then "direct to VHS" movies etc, the less likely for enough ppl to remember it for it to enter our collective memory. So we tend to think entertainment is getting worse when there's just always a lot of cash grabs. There were lots of crap radio dramas, lots of crap 1930s studio releases, lots of crap television, etc etc etc. We remember Renaissance England's theater for Shakespeare & a few other names, but irl, most of the plays being produced were shite. We're just at the end of a trend cycle and AI is at a point where entertainment moguls may try and slow down trendification until they have a firm handle on the intricacies of moving more production into the AI-sphere. Bye bye B roll...but also union law, processing capacity, intellectual property, & a kajillion other details need to be ironed out. Or at least new loopholes need to be identified. Brave new world indeed. The best part of aging is realizing that I actually won't have to deal with the far off future. You stop getting sad that life is finite and start feeling relieved lol...
Yeah in tired of feeling like it’s my fault and im just taking movies too seriously. These movies are just bad.
@@SocialExperiment232
FRIEND! NO. I promise it's not you. It has never been you. People just don't think about media anymore. They only wanna consume.
They don't wanna think. They don't wanna reflect. They just wanna see bright colors, explosions and actors they like.
@@montananerd8244
You missed what I'm saying. There isn't a lack of creativity, or anything of the like. There is a lack of media literacy, and corporations taking advantage of that.
@@vvitch-mist20but they’re right. This is not new. Companies releasing trendy trash has been a thing for decades and decades. It just seems like it’s “becoming a problem” because we’re all so connected now via social media and people tend to talk about failures more than successes. There’s a lot of great stuff that came out and are coming out but hardly anyone talks about those and/or companies do not market them properly because they’re too scared to take risks.
Plus people’s “wanning media literacy skills” is not causing bad movies to be released. That’s a flawed idea. Companies are fucking lazy. Remember that a lot of super hero schlock last year failed. Guardians of the Galaxy 3 and Spiderverse 2 succeeded because they were good movies. People are tired of the mediocre hero crap. The trend is dying but Sony and Disney (especially Disney) are desperate to keep it going.
I was trying to keep up but I kept saying in my head: "what?". This sounds so confusing and awful. You're doing the lord's work.
Madame Web feels like they read about the general concept of the character on Wikipedia and then wrote a generic thriller movie in an hour to try to cash in on the superhero and Spider-Man genre.
I feel like half of the movie was on the cutting room floor. Or they had two or three different versions of the movie and just stitched them all together in the hopes that it would work somehow. It was so bad.
It’s honestly Sony trying to piggy back off the MCU. They even had the actors THINK they’re part of the MCU with their post.
I’m 100% convinced that these movies are a money laundering scheme by Sony 😂
IIRC Sony has to release a film using the Spider-Man IP every few years or so, in order to keep film rights to Spider-Man. Otherwise the rights to make Spider-Man movies return to Marvel.
Sony's absolutely piggybacking off the MCU for sure. Still, they would keep making these movies even if the MCU somehow ceased to exist, they *really* don't want to lose the rights to one of the most financially lucrative characters on the planet
TL;DR expect shitty Sony Spidey movies for decades to come 🙃
All they need is Steven Segal in one of these films and the money laundering circle would be complete lol.
@@LetterNumberonly good Sony Spiderman is Spider-verse
@@LetterNumber I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when Marvel decided to sell these characters' films right back in the 1990s and decided it was a good idea to demand studios to produce films in x numbers of years to keep the rights that are basically encoring them to produce bad films. IF buyback clauses are not illegal when rights are sold then Marvel should have done that instead of giving the studio who bought the rights x amount of time to produce a film to keep the rights. If they thought the other studio is doing a bad job then they would have had better leverage to get characters back.
I think this all makes more sense when you consider the fact that they were forced to get it out quickly, and couldn't just say "nope, let's scrap this." They absolutely needed to put it out no matter what, and it was rushed, and this is the result. I don't think they even really care about losing money, just as long as they got it out in time - though the fact that it lost money is going to hurt Sony in the long run because now they're being pressured to make a bunch of changes and maybe scrap this whole side of the universe. But for this specific movie, their main goal was to put it out in time - everything else (whether it was good, whether it made any money) was secondary.
I've also heard that the actors were basically told that this would be a mainline MCU movie, and that even on set, they were made to believe that they were essentially working for Marvel, when that's not at all the case. I feel kinda bad for Dakota Johnson (from an acting perspective, at least) - she probably believed this would be a huge, important character and she could stop just being seen as the 50 Shades girl. Now I think she's being seen in an even worse light, which shouldn't have been possible.
she's got a lot of charisma & made those films bearable. I wish her career well.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 It sucks too because she's such a cool person in real life (which makes sense considering her parents and the kind of life she's probably led up to this point). She seems to be taking it all in stride and turning it into jokes, which is exactly the right thing to do.
Honestly, at this point I'm convinced people should just pay you as an executive consultant for entertainment because your suggestions, ideas, and critiques are usually spot on on how to make things work better lol
The justification I can think of the "that's what he thinks" kind of smug moment is that she doesn't just see that they die but she sees the joy that he'll have raising peter
I think the Spiderman "brand" is oversaturated. They're trying to bring not just his villain gallery but a variety of different spider people onto the big screen in quick succession.
"Madame Web" was like the pilot episode of an ongoing TV series without the actual series to capitalise on it. And I say that recognising it is an origin movie, so you would expect that to an extent, but this took it not just one step further but a whole marathon.
It had all the creativity of a shot for TV movie, just with a budget: the direction, script and acting simply felt "workman-like".
Like Swell says, the movie we wanted to watch was Julia, Mattie and Anya becoming Spider-Woman II, Spider-Woman III and Arana / Spider-Girl. What we got was an origin story for Madame Web, a character who had way more of a role in the 90s animated Spider-man than she did in the comics, who I guess they decided to use because of "multiverse" reasons (like we saw a CGI bat which must be a Morbius reference in the first 'web of time' sequence).
At this point, I can only conclude that Sony really just doesn't know what it is doing. They can't figure it out but keep trying. They don't understand what made "Venom" a success and why "Venom: Let there be carnage" was not. Why "Morbius" was an object of ridicule (how Jared Leto keeps getting employed I will never understand) and why "Madame Web" was labelled "The worst superhero movie of all time."
I mean, "Madame Web" is far from the worst superhero movie of all time but it isn't good, not by any stretch of the imagination. Just give it up, Sony. Either sell back the rights to Spider-man for an obscene amount or just keep licensing it back to Marvel and taking a percentage of those sweet Spider-Profits.
Stop trying to make Spider-man without Spider-man happen. Its not going to happen.
I’m convinced we dodged a bullet: Sony could have EASILY given us their take on Barbra Gordon, Librarian turned Oracle for the Birds of Prey. 😅😰😱🤯
Sony owns DC stuff too?
Nope @@luiginastro8831 , when I say, “their take” there is a REAL possibility that a studio will make a project that is someone else’s ip with JUST ENOUGH modifications. See Star Wars A New Hope & Dune; Fifty Shades of Grey & Twilight; Rebel Moon & Star Wars…
The way Betty Edwards asks her practitioners to explore the intertextual connections, one can look at Madam Webb and see some overlap.
The defibrillator paddles wouldn’t do too much (probably nothing at all) through a car roof. The voltage across the paddles is DC, so regardless of the voltage, even an unpainted the roof would short-circuit all the current. Since there’s paint and a liner on the inside of the ceiling, the paddles probably couldn’t even discharge lol. They’re at 200-1000V, so they wouldn’t arc much at all.
I saw this movie with my sister (we were 2 out of 3 people total in the theater, and my sister is a Sydney Sweeney fan) to try and cheer myself up after my grandfather's funeral and let me tell you it was a miserable experience. As someone with an auditory processing disorder the movie was physically painful to watch because of the random screaming every 30 seconds or so. I agree that it was bad in a way that is fun to talk about, but horrible to sit through.
The end of the movie seemed like a beginning to the movie I actually wanted to watch
“Madame wasnt ready to be filmed” there i fixed it for you
a cab? more like ACAB AYOOOO
So from what I have heard, these screenwriters wrote movies like Gods of Egypt and Morbius. Also, we know that the script changed. There are stories that Sony likes to work with them because they do their dumb studio script changes with no problem, and they have a track record to back up that claim. Dakota said that the original script was very different and she obviously liked it enough to audition and hated the final product so much. I don't know about the director but I can imagine them being pressured by the studio to conform. As for the actresses, they are probably the best part of the movie. I want to watch this goofy dumb movie just because I want to watch Dakota Johnson being awkward and Sydney Sweeney pretending to be a nerd.
Dude that trovatrip thing sets off ALL the red flags and I’m honestly shocked that you’re giving it the time of day. 😮
I laughed the entire movie. When O'Neal gets hit by the truck, they do an aerial shot of the aftermath and I'm just laughing like where was the truck going?
There's a tiny exit from the exploding fireworks factory but the truck would have to slow down and make a 20mph left turn but it was FLOORING it. The direction it was driving would lead it right into the river, we never get a shot of the driver. It was there purely for plot. You'd think the truck was driven by the antagonist 😂
I just want to appreciate the jump cut to her next to the inflatable F1 car and back with no acknowledgment that it happened.
Considering how tired Elizabeth Olsen was with the MCU by the time she did universe of madness, i think maybe Dakota Johnson is lucky. If Marvel thinks that they can make a lot of money by contracting an actor for a decade they will do it and then the actor will not be able to take on other projects. They are going to be playing the same role forever
Honestly Sony should just pick a random spider comic book, revise it a bit for feature films and just go ham
I was excited when I first heard about it because Madam Web is supposed to have the same disability as me (Myasthenia Gravis) which would have been really cool to see the onset of a neuromuscular disorder at the same time as superpowers
The Training Montage is literally my favorite trope in EVERY hero type movie:(((
Like, why am I even here??😭
I was also so confused when the movie ended but the girls never got their powers. I had the same ending thoughts you did that there is a good story here but they never found it. I liked Cassie stepping into motherhood when she never had one and three girls finding sisterhood they never had. As far as the adoption angle, I did not think Cassie had adopted all three girls, I just thought they visited her frequently, I think it could have been a good nod to show Anya living with her since Anya literally has no one. Maddie's disappearance would also have been international news, like if a billionaire child disappeared, the entire US government would be on it. In terms of storytelling, it just felt like there was a contained story here that was ripped apart by execs wanting to making a series, because what team origin story doesn't show all the origins? To complete the narrative, there needs to be another movie where Maddie, Julia, and Anya get powers and Madame Web is so not getting a sequel so it's disappointing that we watched half a story stretched into a whole movie.
Signed up for the Trova trip information! Love your content and it would be a dream to travel with so many people and explore!!! Excited to hear more!
I feel like the cuts and edits in this explainer mirror the disjointedness of the movie. Maybe Madame Web had Dark Universe vibes 🤷♀ And how come this wasn't a Final Destination movie?
Saw this buzzed in a 270° theater and god what a mistake that was
The steel beam falling would in fact be way worse than the car thing cuz ones literally meant to fold around you to lessen the impact, and the other is a solid piece of steel hitting you that weighs more than the car, and would hit harder
About the ending thing Shes omniscient not omnipotent 😂and the hole cannon events thing those in the film are explained specifically why you cannot stop cannon events, cuz if you do reality literally starts to fall apart
Which is why none of this is canon or that big a deal and a soggy paper towel of film instead of her “doing the impossible”
The "canon events" don't make any sense though snce there are universes where those things _didn't_ happen and they're fine
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What I'm confused on in Madmae Web is how does Ezikiel having the spider venom in him is giving him false visions but not Cassie? How does the venom know who it should be in and who it shouldnt be in? Is it some sort of venom clause or pirating software that knows who its supposed to infect and who isnt? With that logic, for example, if Peter Parker was about to get bit but somebody pushed him outta the way before he does and takes the bite instead, would their powers be messing with them cause they werent supposed to have it?? Also, does Madame Web have time traveling powers or the power to see the future? Or both? Nothing in this movie makes sense!
The guy that Cassie talks to in Peru says that because Ezekiel wanted the powers of the spider for selfish reasons, he was cursed (although it's not completely clear by whom or what). It's established throughout the movie that events seen in visions can be changed, so Ezekiel isn't given false visions by the venom, he's cursed to witness a possible version of his own death in his dreams every night.
@@sophiastargazer but how does the venom KNOW who has false pretenses when wanting to use the venom? How does it tell that the person it's in is going to misuse it's powers?
Why she makes so much money is to hopefully give the editor a raise because the screen cards when the camera was out had me rolling🤣🤣🙌
I can respect how you said you didn't do videos because of a lack of motivation. I feel like at times some of these sort of review channels do certain video topics simply to keep relevancy.
Good to see you back to reviewing movies, especially when it's Madam Web. Even a Chameleon movie would have been a better idea, since he's Kraven's half brother and you're working on a Kraven movie anyway. He could have faced off against the Prowler and introduced Miles Morales as a minor character. Have Jessica Drew investigate a series of robberies caused by people who claim they weren't even in the city.
Honestly, it seems like they wanted to use Madame Web as the proof-of-concept for the bigger-budgeted movie with the girls using their powers. I think they could have made a movie without them having powers interesting but they just didn't.
Watched a bunch of your vids this while taking a break from doing so so much finals work. Rad shit. Thanks dawg.
I stumbled on a clip from the press tour where Celeste O'Connor (Mattie) says the director, who also wrote the script, recommended she watch 2046 and In The Mood For Love (both Wong Kar Wai) films in prep for Madame Web.
And I love those films but with that, and this summary, but damn doesn't it seem likely what we have here is the writer/director wanted to make something more art house and "character-driven," to the point where they forgot to put together a meaningful story and possible thought none of the teenagers having their powers yet made it more grounded in the interpersonal. I bet the flash-forwards/dream sequences we DO get were the direct result of studio notes insisting we see those powers, otherwise there'd be nothing.
While I am both a huge scifi/fantasy nerd and a fan of moody and atmospheric art house, I feel like more and more people are getting involved with fantasy or superhero stories because it sells right now, instead of knowing and honoring what makes those stories so appealing, and trying to Trojan Horse those stories into something less embarrassing (to them).
Wong Kar Wai is a genius who's made 2 of my fave ever films. Geez that's depressing that was what they thought they were doing.
@@picahudsoniaunflocked5426 O'Connor went on to say watching the films helped her better understand what the Madame Web director was trying to do with light and color, and I thought: "ooohhh noooooooooo"
Like even if it were true, even if you take inspiration, which is fair... maybe WKW, who makes art about urban disconnect and emotional claustrophobia, chooses his visuals for deliberate reasons. Maybe those reasons don't automatically apply to a superhero origin story about found family. Even if you love his stuff.
The reason for so many bad superhero movies is that for the studios it's a freight train that can't be stopped. It takes years to make these movies. When they're first put into development, I'm sure there are tons of great ideas that would make a cohesive and entertaining movie. As time marches on, and trends change literally around the production in real time, the suits start tweaking things to try and make their projects relevant to whatever is in then. The logic goes like this: 'Yes, we're making a Madame Web movie, but people liked Aquaman 2, so we need a character that controls water in our movie too! Oh, they liked that Disney Plus show with that actor in it? Let's get them for OUR movie in some small role that we can film during reshoots!' Pretty soon you have these rushed, horrible, Frankensteins of movies that cost so much to make ultimately that they can't NOT be released. I'll give it to WB/Discovery in one regard: they seem to know when they might have a turd on their hands they can shelf as a tax write off. Madame Web should've been that for Sony. As someone whose name I can't recall once said of Hollywood, 'This is a town where everyone runs to where lightning just struck.'
I love the shade your editor throws about your camera. :)
My head canon is the writing duo responsible for morb and Madame Webb is an alias for AI. All of their name, history and picture were AI generated.
Someone mentioned to me that every single Sony Spider Man Cinematic Universe movie starts in a jungle, and I can't unthink that now lol
I haven't seen any of them. Which ones is this true for?
@@iankellymorris Venom I definitely know is true, but other than that I haven't seen any of the other ones
Can anyone vouch for the validity of this "Trova Trip" thing? seems like a very odd premise, go on a trip with your favourite youtuber? I've never heard of the company before and that's a hell of a lot of trust to give them 🤔
I've been seeing it a lot recently and it just seems sketchy to me, how would that even work? Does anyone actually want that? I completely agree it seems incredibly odd
@@summerrose883 It's not only a lot of trust us viewers have to give them, but that's an insane amount of trust for the youtuber to also give them. It could be a massive safety problem if handled even slightly incorrectly.
Doing a quick look at trust pilot shows under 200 reviews, so damn small company, and the bad reviews are *bad*. Seems like they outsource the actual trip to a 3rd party that no one, not even the creator, has control over. Mentions of it being incredibly overpriced are also frequent through these reviews.
oh yikes, there's reviews here of hotels being changed literally last min from safe areas of cities to red light districts and shit. Multiple reports of itineraries not happening despite each activity being paid for, and their refund policy seems non-existant. You can get a refund, but only before your place is confirmed and it seems like your place gets confirmed same day or the next day after signing up.
Dakota: Actually, I think it’s so bad you’re gonna watch over a dozen videos making fun of it.
it was a masterpiece. I have never laughed harder in a theatre than when she drove the stolen ambulance through a Calvin Klein ad to mow down the villain
Swell Editor is Best Editor. Hope you aren't still counting coughs!
I’m the same way where I used to be a huge MCU and DC fan but I literally watched Infinity War and walked out of the theatre and haven’t watched another hero movie since. I didn’t even watch part two, I was just done. Most unhinged thing I have ever done but it was just over for me 😂
Wait did you not like infinity war?
@@paddyq3235 it was a fine movie I had just lost any interest in super heroes and the characters ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
amanda i have been refreshing your page since yesterday for the willy wonka experience video (no pressure)
Thank you. I specifically was waiting for your word on this film
I went on a trovatrip last year and it was a mess. Hope they've improved!
I'm supposed to see this movie with one of my friends soon. Looking forward to seeing the chaos.
Okay but wait the moment where he tries to give her venom and gets away, that should have been the moment he realizes she's related to the spider people and "Oh the baby survived somehow." Like she should have been immue to the venom because she's also kind of a spider person, having that right after her failure to climb the walls as a "No she doesn't have that but she does have this," moment, just- that's such a clear missed opportunity!
I hope we get a video off about the meth lab Oompa Loompa experience 🤣🤣🤣
I laughed out loud when she apparently drove the busted taxi to Peru? Then came back from Peru and was still driving the taxi? But the absolute best was at the end when she was in her electric wheelchair and did a dramatic 0 degree turn at the end but maybe just a little fast and wobbled like she was driving a bumper car.
I definitely thought the editing text (her camera ran out of battery) was describing the movie rather than the video.
Have you made a con/event survival guide yet? I'm going to Vegas this summer for an event and I'm trying to dig through your videos for your experience and wisdom 🤠
Apparently Dakota Johnson recently did an interview where she basically said that she's never doing a comic book movie ever again.
I feel like if this movie took place in the 80s it would look more exciting. Nostalgia sells. That’s why I keep rewatching Turning Red because of the cute nods to Sailor Moon and 2000s pop culture.
Yesss I loved Turning Red. They could’ve still made Madame Web nostalgic if they leaned more into the early 2000s aesthetic. Wasted opportunity tbh
Ezekiel still has the same spider 26 years later?... can spiders live that long?... ok that is the least of this movie's problems :D
Anyone else feel like Amanda the Swell is saying "Hey" to Amanda the Jedi when she says "Hey Amanda?"
Madame Web: A Symphony of Superhuman Spectacle!
Madame Web explodes onto the silver screen like a supernova of storytelling! Dakota Johnson transforms into Cassandra Webb, not just acting, but channeling the raw power and vulnerability of a woman awakening to a destiny unlike any other. This isn't your average superhero origin story; it's a full-blown operatic experience for the ages!
A Tapestry of Triumphant Performances: Every actor in this masterpiece delivers a performance worthy of a standing ovation. Johnson inhabits Cassandra, making you feel every tremor of her premonitions and every surge of her newfound abilities. The supporting cast isn't merely there for decoration; they are symphony conductors, guiding the emotional crescendos of the narrative.
A Feast for the Eyes (and Mind): Prepare to be visually enthralled! Director S.J. Clarkson crafts a world where Cassandra's visions bleed into reality, creating a kaleidoscope of colors and mind-bending imagery. It's a visual poem that will leave you breathless and wanting more.
A Heart-Stirring Symphony of Story: This film isn't just about superpowers and dazzling effects; it's a profound exploration of the human condition. We witness Cassandra grapple with her newfound abilities, the weight of responsibility, and the fear of the unknown. It's a story that will resonate with anyone who has ever questioned their place in the world.
A Flawless Masterpiece? Forget It! "Madame Web" transcends the realm of mere excellence. It's a cinematic experience that will leave you speechless, wanting to crawl back into the theater for another dose of pure brilliance. Sure, some might search for flaws, but those people are probably just jealous of the sheer brilliance radiating from this film.
Don't Miss This Once-in-a-Lifetime Spectacle! "Madame Web" is a must-see for anyone who loves superheroes, stunning visuals, and stories that touch the soul. It's a cinematic masterpiece that will leave you forever changed. Just be prepared to pick your jaw up off the floor afterwards!
I’ve had superhero fatigue since 2017
Movie critiques rule, this is fun, glad you are doing this.
My favorite part was when Ezekiel said, "she had the magic of the Spider-Man." And Dakota replies, "this magic belongs to no man." So brave. So stunning.
Wait... I haven't started this video yet; But from the title alone, I literally didn't know this was a movie that exists. Let alone was created recently.