Elden Ring - All References to Norse Mythology
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- Опубликовано: 23 июл 2024
- If you have even a cursory knowledge of Norse Mythology, you have noticed its influence on not only Elden Ring, but the other FromSoftware games as well. With my final planned video for Elden Ring, I decided I would go through all the potential references to Norse Mythology, and how those references might help us solve some of the deeper mysteries of this game.
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Regarding the connection for Ranni with Hel, Radahn (her other brother) fits the role of Fenrir better than Blaidd, in that he is this nigh unstoppable beast on the battle and who kept on growing in strength and size until he was shackled by the gods (Fenrir being bound, Radahn with the scarlet rot)
right? I understand seeing the link with blaidd but with both Fenrir and Radahn growing so much seals the deal for me. At least the Hel connection works either way
Well, if all makes sense. Ranni is the “half-dead” daughter, Radahn is the beastly son, and Rykard… the snake lol
Radahn can also be inspired by another of lokis children, namely Sleipnir, the greatest of all horses on which rode Odin.
Somethign you didn't mention about the connections to Yggdrasil is the three wells. Yggdrasil had three roots and one was chewed on by the dragon Nidhogg, poisoning it. Underground there are three distinct underwater area and one of them is the lake of rot.
These lakes have root systems in them too, demonstrating the Erdtree's reach.
Godwyn may be in reference to Nidhogg, seeing as his death blight infects the roots of the Erdtree at the bottom of Stormveil and in deeproot depths.
The Lichdragon is Nighogg then
@@KitsuneShapeShifter makes sense though. Niđ(Neeth) is also seen in Niđstang, which is the act of making a staff that when stabbed into the ground, kills all spiritual entities and connections in a given area. Complete spiritual death. Just like Godwyn.
@@carna-9501 Nithing Poles were primarily used to curse specific enemies. They didn't kill spirits but Egill in his saga says that the norwegian spirits shall wander astray until they drive Eric and his wife from their land when he raises his pole.
Now that we saw the DLC trailer I think that Messmer is related to Nidhogg the snake who wanted the end of Yggdrasil and the gods
The Fire Giant strikes me as being closer to Balor the Fomhóraigh from Irish mythology. Balor is also known as Balor of the evil eye, where when he lifted his eyelid and revealed his eye, disaster would strike.
Yea me too
Ranni is associated with the slaying of a immortal god (Godwin), and Hel 's story is also related with the slaying of Baldur (a god)
Godwin and Baldur both seem to be universally liked as well.
Godwyn is probably analogous to Baldur but Loki and Hodr were the ones who actually killed Baldur. Loki tricked the blind archer Hodr into shooting his brother with an arrow tipped with mistletoe, which was the only thing that could kill him.
@@alphalegionary7672 ranni also didn't kill Godwyn, I'm just positing that both are mentioned in stories that involve the death of beloved immortal beings
Baldr is also called "Baldr the Golden", and his death is what starts Fimbulvintr, which is a long winter before Ragnarok happens and it all ends, just like Godwyn's death sets in motion the events that would end the current age of the Erdtree and the Golden Order.
Came here to say that, thank you ^^
Great video, yet there was one small error you made when you talked about Lokis children. There are more than the three you mentioned, Loki gave birth to a 8 legged horse called Sleipnir and he had two sons Narfi and Vali.
Gotcha. Did he have those children with Angrboda, or with others?
@@maxderrat others, sleipner was born when loki shifted into a female horse to distract a male horse and got pregnant. Narfi and Vali are born to sigyn, loki's aesir wife
@@maxderrat Sleipnir is the Horse of Odin, Loki, in form of a mare, was his mother, the stallion of a Frostgiant / Hrimthurse, Svadilfari, was the father. The Story of Narfi & Vali is a bit disturbing as well. 😅
@@maxderrat Another error you made is that Blaidd isn't a brother of Ranni but a servant
God... the association of Hel to Ranni makes so much sense! But.. I think we can go even further than that and explore the entire Carian Royal Family as well.
Renalla, mother of Radahn, Rykard, and Ranni can be related to Angrboða. The name Angrboða, mother of Fenrir, Hel, and the World Serpent has been translated as "the one who brings grief" or "She-who-offers-sorrow". If the name is translated as is. We get "Sorrow, boding" (Angr = Old norse for sorrow/regret, boda = bode".)
We know that in-game, Renalla isn't really a giver of sorrow, but instead, is actually suffering from sorrow due to the events that happened in the lore. I think this is the writers just reversing the traits of Angrboða, making her traits affect inwardly (suffering from sorrow) instead of outwardly (giving sorrow). But in a way, Renalla giving birth to Ranni and Rykard technically earns her the title of "she-who-offers-sorrow" as her 2 children eventually causes the suffering of everyone in the Land's between (Night of the Black Knives which led to The Shattering and Rykard fusing with the God-Devouring Serpent).
For another character, I think there are 2 characters that were inspired from Fenrir: Radahn and Blaidd
1. For Radahn. One of the traits of Fenrir was that he was stated to be "rapidly"growing". This is one of the reasons why the gods tried to bound him. The trait rapidly growing applies to that of Radahn becoming more akin to a giant. One of the reasons he even practiced gravity magic is to make sure he can still ride his horse even though he grew so big. Also, Fenrir's name can be translated as "Fame-wolf" and Radahn is a famous warrior but instead of being a wolf, he dubs himself as a lion. Another thing that may support Radahn being inspired by Fenrir is that Fenrir had 2 children named Sköll and Hati Hróðvitnisson. Sköll is a wolf that chases the sun and Hati Hróðvitnisson is a wolf that chases the moon. Now, we don't know if Radahn did have kids, but I think Sköll and Hati Hróðvitnisson was also an inspiration for Radahn. We can say that the sun here represents the Golden Order and the moon represents the Carian Royal Family. Like Skoll, Radahn chases the sun (golden order) because he wants to be like Godfrey, which as we all know, was the conceived the Golden Lineage, and is one of the reasons why the Golden Age of the Erdtree started. Second, Radahn is very proud that Radagon was his father. I think there was an item in the game even saying that he was proud of his red hair. Hati Hróðvitnisson is kinda far fetched. But if we look at the meaning of the name, it translates to "He Who Hates". Connecting that with the moon and we get "He Who Hates", chasing the moon. Signifying his betrayal to the Carian Royal Family or at least signifies that he didn't helped his family during the Shattering.
2. For Blaidd. Fenrir was prophesied to be a part of an event that would bring trouble (Ragnarok), the gods tried to bound him, and he bit back, tore off Tyr's arm. This act can be akin to Blaidd being part of Ranni's scheme, and even if the 2 fingers tried to control him, he still had the strength to resist them enough so that he can fight back his attackers, and remind himself that he is loyal to Rann. The child of Fenrir, Sköll and Hati Hróðvitnisson also applies to him even better than Radahn. Skoll and Hati are wolves too. Skoll means "Mockery"/"Treachery" chasing the sun. This signifies Blaidd's reluctance to follow the 2 fingers, even resisting their control of him til the very end. Hati on the other hand is "He Who Hates" chasing the moon. Signifies his true task given by the 2 fingers, which is to kill Ranni due to her schemes that led to the start of the Shattering. Also a wordplay the he hates going after Ranni, and would rather die than bring himself to attack her.
Rykard being Jormungandr is obvious but only in the surface level. Dude will eventually try to eat everything if he was left untouched. Other than that I really can't find other evidences that further links Rykard to Jormungandr. Both are vastly different, one lives in a lava while the other lives in the ocean. Jormungandr's main enemy is Thor, while Rykard's main enemy is everyone but no other demi-gods really tried to fight him like how Malenia fought Radahn.
Ranni being Hel really makes sense. The design of Ranni can really be connected to Hel. The evidence of her design being inspired by Hel is not only of Ranni having a doll face and a ghost face, but also Hel's half flesh and half blue body can be attributed to Godwyn and Ranni's fate after the Night of the Black Knives. The etymology of the name came from "Haljo" meaning "concealed place, underworld" which was derived from "helan" which means "to hide". Ranni is hiding from the two fingers so the inspiration fits. There's a story about Baldur and Hela, who is the Godwyn of the Norse Mythos, as he's a golden too, but Hela didn't kill Baldur in the story. She just didn't resurrected him because of a deal gone wrong, so connecting that story to Ranni is kinda far fetched.
I think I've researched enough to say that the writers did drew some inspiration from Norse Mythology, especially for the Carian Royal Family.
If Radagon is a reference to Thor. It's possible that the whole "Radagon is Marika" is a reference of Thor dressing as a woman (Marika), but reverse.
I feel Godfrey is something of a Thor analogue tbh
Absolute Titan of strength with a big weapon that goes on out to war with all manner of devilry, including mighty Giants.
He’s basically Herakles/Thor if they ruled their pantheon
Thor's dress up escapade was to get back his hammer, nothing besides that. The connection, if there even is one, is slim at best. Radagon do gets bits from Thor but that one particular thing I don't think is among them.
No
In all honesty,I think Radagon/Marika is more of an Odin figure. Odin would change into a female form to learn female magic and to sleep with his male lovers (he could have done that as a man, but I guess that is the mythology the northmen wrote)
So I feel that's probably a more relatable reference!
@@ItsButterBean1020 more like en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%C3%BA_Chulainn
THIS. This is the video I have been extremely anticipating! I'm so excited to sink my teeth into this! Thank you Max, I've been so excited to have a Norse view on this game to help piece together some of the puzzles of the lore, especially since it is very clearly influenced by Nordic mythos, and yet nobody has made direct correlations to the degree that an entire video is dedicated to it. Until now, of course!
I believe Elden Ring also has a lot of similarities with the Finnish Epic Kalevala. First is Iso-Tammi or Maailmanpuu, (world tree or great oak) which was cut down by a giant) Then there is Seppo Ilmarinen, a smith that forged the Sampo which brought infinite wealth which was also got broken and had to be repaired by Seppo and I'm thinking Radagon would be a close reference point since he carries around a hammer and he also tried to repair the Elden Ring. Also that hammer spits out lightning which can be a reference to Ukko and his Ukonvasara (also Thor and his Mjölnir) Manala/Tuonela (Underworld) can be described as hell in Christianity but is actually a place you can go up from the surface or you had to swim or ride a boat in the Tuoni river to an island, and is the resting place of the dead ie. The River Wells that lead to a lot of coffins or otherworldly beings.
Most of these references can also be correlated to Norse and Baltic mythologies since the Finnish mythology had a lot of gods and places which shared similar characteristics to the Norse and the Baltic mythologies.
It's always interesting to me how Miyazaki's worlds in Dark Souls and Elden Ring are both so syncretic in their combining of different western mythologies (and some from Eastern traditions as well), but then also completely subvert the core idea of the hero's journey that most conceptions of monomyth have at their core.
Good to see you again, Max.
Keep up the good work, I genuinely believe you are on the best channels around. Content is always quality. \[T]/
Man, no one ever talks about Eikthynir.... so cool to see someone not on a norse dedicated mythology channel reference a really underated and cool part of my culture for once
love your content. Keep killing it mate
Speaking of Valkyries, the one in elden Ring did serve someone who bound himself to a tree. In more then one occasion.
As with any mention of Norse (Germanic) mythology in Max's videos, I shall provide my perspective as an active practitioner, and provide any corrections and comments I think are needed, for any who may be interested. Apologies in advance for the wall of text, I will be writing this as the video goes on, and as such I do not know yet just how long it will be.
Jotunn are in fact non-human, non-divine creatures that embody Chaos, which is the opposite of Existence. They are generally viewed as a grave threat to humans and all existence, and an enemy to the Gods. On occasion there have been instances of Jotunn being helpful to humans or friends to the Gods, and indeed a few of them even became Gods through marriage, though these are rare. Ymir was indeed the first, primordial Jotunn and was neither male nor female, but both and neither. It is not clear if this means that Ymir was a hermaphrodite or if it was sexless. It is thought that Ymir spontaneously came into existence as a consequence of Chaos, I am unsure what this says about the corporeality of the body of Ymir since Chaos is anathema to matter.
The first man and woman came much later, they were created by Odin and his two brothers from a pair of trees that washed up on the shore of the sea at the edge of the world, and ash tree that became the first man, called Ask, and an elm tree that became the first woman, called Embla. From Ymir's armpits (and also from the feet but I am not quite an expert on Jotunn lore, so I will share what I do know and continue my research on the rest) came the first generation of the tribe of Jotunn, they lived in the dark empty Ginnungagap, with nothing but Chaos surrounding them, and so they long for the universe to revert to a state of non-existence.
The slaughter of Ymir is indeed the means by which the Gods created the world, however I would hesitate to say with certainty that the Allfather acted alone in this, but it is possible.
Oedipus cut out both his eyes for a very different reason than Allfather gave one of his. I'm sure all or most of us know what that reason was so let's not get into it here.
"Odin" does indeed mean "furious one", in reference not necessarily to a fiery temper, though it is very probable that he had one, but more likely in reference to his mastery of the fervour, an intermittent obsessiveness that the Romans observed in the ancient Germanic tribes of continental Europe, which would generally be directed toward creative pursuits such as poetry, but could be directed toward just about anything that would benefit from a heightened state of attention including producing works of physical art, and indeed warfare.
The Aesir-Vanir war is an interesting point, because many assume that the Aesir must have won, since Odin is considered the Chieftain of the Gods, and the word Aesir also refers to the collective divine tribes of Aesir and Vanir, but in truth that war was not a war of conquest but a war to decide if the Vanir should get the right to receive worship, and the Vanir won, so they can be worshipped by us, but part of the peace treaty was that one of the Vanir, Freya, a high-ranking member of Vanir nobility, would marry Odin, uniting the tribes, though the Vanir do maintain their household as distinct from the Aesir.
The World-Tree is very often misconceived, almost nobody knows this but there are actually not nine worlds, there's just three, arranged in three discs, one above another, all supported by the great Axis Mundi, the pillar at the centre of the universe, which the Germanic peoples believed was an Ash tree called Yggdrasil. The Nine Worlds version of things was made up by Snorri Sturluson. A lot of what he writes in the Prose Edda is useful but some of it is complete fabrication.
Niflheim is the realm of ice and fog, the realm of the dead would be Helheim, and yes that is where the early Christians borrowed the name for one of their afterlives from. It's actually a rather pleasant place, with gardens and such, where all the ancestors reside (except for the very worst of the worst criminals but they let's not get into that here).
Hel is not actually one of Loki's children, but one of the Gods. This misconception is most likely the fault of Snorri Sturluson. I do not know for certain if she is Aesir or Vanir, but her role suggests Vanir. Loki himself started out as relatively harmless, if a little annoying, but as time went on he became more and more obviously evil and his antics culminated in him orchestrating the death of Baldr, the beloved God of light and arguably fire, at which point it was revealed that he was never on the side of the Gods at all, and his status as honorary God was stripped from him, and he was hunted down by Thor, then bound to a rock deep beneath the earth where a serpent constantly drips venom into his eyes. There's more to that punishment, but I will refrain from getting bogged down in the details as this is already a tangent. I am invested in ensuring that as many people as possible understand the true nature of Loki and do not fall for his tricks because he is purest evil, and many people who follow the Gods do not know this, and honour him among them.
If I did not mention something, then you may assume I agree with Max's assessment and have nothing further to add.
I really, and I mean really enjoyed this. Just want to ask something. Could you please cite any trustable sources related to Hel not being Loki's daughter and Ygdrassil?
@@het2419 Thank you for your kind words. I have had to rewrite this comment several times now, I think its because the link I gave activated some automatic moderator or something.
Of course, I am in constant communication with a team of highly knowledgeable researchers, who study the primary and secondary sources, as well as comparative sources from other, related cultures. They are the Norroena Society, unfortunately I can't link you their website but if you look up Norroena Society they'll most likely be the top link.
When I respecced my first character into a flame of frenzy build, I actually renamed her "Odr Ragnild". Was a treat seeing that mentioned here.
This was so cool, I love Norse mythology and the souls games so my blind playthrough was a real treat, thank you for your videos making the links I completely missed. As I'm sure most know Norse mythology has a lot going on and hearing these links and ideas in the world of Elden Ring really gets me in the mood to just study the land more and more.
8:42 and plants needs water to live. This guy.... :) what a legend
Started watching this vid while stoned, totally zoned out, and thought I was watching an AOT lore video when I heard Ymir lmao. Anyway, subbed for the elden ring content but will stay subbed for whatever else you create.
The giant skeletons in Caelid, as well as all of Caelid itself, made me think of Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind
I read/saw that there are also a lot of references to Celtic Mythology, maybe even more....
Rhiannon is Ranni, Danu is Marika..etc..
I personally thing they took references from various western mythologies.
Good video all in all, maybe one more to cover the Celtic Mythology references ? :D
There’s a Celtic sun wheel in the pass time menu too
Great video. I would love to se more alchemy and mythology related videos even if they were just you explaining them to the best of your ability. Though that is a bit of a saturated market.
Am I the only one who sees the nine circles as a reference to the Nine Circles of Hell? Especially since they're Fire Giants and have flaming irises.
this game is a gift that keeps on giving
you should do an art competition. Perhaps an art piece that encapsulates the whole, or an aspect of a certain episode of yours :) just like how the Alchemists distilled down complex ideas into a single image, or a Tarot card i suppose? :D
Man, I always thought mythology was interesting but I never really felt compelled to do any significant amount of research on it. But after seeing your videos correlating some real world myths to the stuff going on in Elden Ring it think I might actual start doing some reading on it. I'm a creative type so I feel like there's a lot of inspiration that can be drawn from reading about myths.
thank you max for this i like your take with elden ring it complements well with some of the great works out there. actually, speaking of new project i would like to hear your take in the evil within games :)
Swear on my life you made my day, this was really interesting :)
Oedon seems to be a reference/anagram of Odeon. And it’s appropriate as it’s a room concerning sound rather then something tangible
Another theory addition is the link between Sleipnir and Torrent, seeing that Ranni had some knowledge of Torrents former owner when we meet her in the Church or Elleh, perhaps this is another testament to the validity of this, as well as the fact that Ranni is quite literally half-dead when we meet her, her body being dead, but her soul alive.
For me most obvious reference to norse myth aside from Erdtree were The Shattering and Godwyn. It's exactly like Ragnarok and Baldr. Both Godwyn and Baldr were "brightest/wholesome" among gods, both were slain by guide of one of thier kind. Also first god/aesir to fall, and those death was a start of Ragnarok/Shattering.
Super video, now we have to praise the sun until a dlc. Stay yellow \`[T]/
Surts involvement in ragnorak and the fire giants involvement with the burning of the erd tree I think is an obvious connection
2:20 maybe a coincidence but that still really reminds of the fire giant.
I haven't watched the video yet but just wanted to say the thumbnail artwork is amazing
I belive the relationship between the golden lineage and Caria fit better with the relationship between the Æsir and Valer, as they both had their own "Powers" in the sagas, that being og creation and magic respectively. Also how the story of their meeting, war, then peace and subsecuent hostage exchange to maintain the peace is very similar to Rennala and Radagon marrige.
I hit it I hit the button video was great thanks yellow dude
Man, gives a whole new meaning to leg/arm-gina
Hi Mark, love your content. Please make a video on Psychological Horror anime "Perfect Blue"
You forgot to point out the similarities with nidhog and the elden beast being creatures that dwell at the bottom of their own respective grand trees.
There's another reference to Odin i havent seen mentioned anywhere and thats the position Marika/Radagon is in throughout the game. Hung on Yggdrasil in the cross position which granted him more knowledge.
An ancient nordic ritual was to meditate beneath a hung man, which would let his soul pass into you, thus making you scizophrenic but also giving you the ability to see/talk to spirits and the magical abilities that comes with that.
I’m surprised you pointed out Odin in Dark Souls but you didn’t bring up Gwyn
A mighty God King obsessed with avoiding his death
Sir Gideon ofnir is Also a reference to Oðinn because like the allfather he is all-knowing and ever seeking different kinds of knowledge, but also his second name, Ofnir, is one of Oðinn's famous epithets.
Sleipnir is also Loki's kid. Not related to the video, I'm just that person. I'm enjoying bingeing your videos right now though haha
Also, in Ragnarok it is stated that yggrasil is destined to catch fire (like the erdtree) and a man and woman take refuge in yggdrassil. And in the end of elden ring you fight a man and a woman inside the erdtree (Radagon and Marika).
Awesome video as always. But I have to admit, that the English pronunciation of Surtr caught me off-guard. :D
The night of the black knives feels to me like the story of Loki killing the golden god Baldur, with Ranni being the stand in for Loki, and Godwynn being the stand in for Baldur
I mean, in drawing a connection between the fire giants and Surtur, he wields a fire that is capable of destroying Asgard, and the fire giants in ER are the keepers of the ancient flame that will burn the Erdtree, so I see it as kind of fitting
The connection of malenia and that she is a sort of valkyrie; they held a festival for radahn to give him an warriors death and we saw malenia fight radahn in one of the trailers. Radahn wasnt suffering from malenias rot then tho but still
To be fair proper Hel is supposed to have her bottom half rotting and top half comely rather then a bilateral split, which was just something used in later art because they liked the image of it.
You missed some stuff, but i'm glad you caught the meaning of Odin's name being "Lord of Frenzy" or "Frenzied one". Very important. If you have the knowledge you can connect like 90% of this game to Norse mythology. Even item's like "Sacrificial Twig" are items used in Norse pagan blood rituals(Sacrifices). Also the "Finger Maidens" are STRAIGHT from Norse mythology. There are spiritual beings that are referred to literally as "finger maidens"..... and they're associated with the world tree Ygdrassil
Also remember that Melania has the closed eye with the tattoo on it, and she is associated with the 3 fingers, who are associated with Frenzy. So there are SEVERAL connections with Odin and Frenzy in the game
With all this north mythology going in Here i would Love to See you Talk about the northmann, the New movie
The deer that ate the leaves off of the world tree or yggdrasil
Odin was, in Ancient Germanic belief, the god of extatic fury and frienzy. Wotanaz, as they would call him in that period, was not originally the Allfather (that place was taken by Tiwas, which would become Tyr in Norse Mythology). So yes, Odin is also a god of extatic fury.
9:35 Very good video but Blaidd is not Ranni's half brother; he is her servant / guardian. However, like someone else mentioned, Radhan (her actual brother) fills in for fenris quite well. While not a wolf he was unbeatable by even the greatest warriors and required nefarious means to stop. Fenrir was tricked into chaining himself Radhan was intentionally infected with Scarlett Rot which ultimately destroyed his mind; turning him into little more than a mindless beast.
I think Ymir is referenced as The One Great, mentioned by Hyetta, from which everything came to be, as she says: through fractures. Just as the world is said to come from Ymir's dead body. The world of Elden Ring came from the One Great.
cool.
Love it! Also Godwyn is Baldr
Fia could represent Hođr
Well, if you notice that the trees grow from corpses, I would guess that the giant corpses were used to create the central tree.
What about Baldr and his son Forseti?
One was the the favourite of the gods,
who got tragically killed in an event,
that eventually resulted in Ragnarök .
And the other was a minor god of lawspeakers,
whose sacred symbol was a golden axe
and who residet in a golden palace
Sleipnir is also Lokis child. The 8 legged horse.
Any word from that Shadow of Colossus mod you were talking about months ago?
Ofnir is a title of Odin, specifically weaver or inciter (he does seem to spin you a tale to get you onto killing the demigods)
the fire giant is thematically supposed to be surtr; herald of the end of the demigods, involved in the burning of the erd tree/ yggdrasil, harbinger of the invasion of the gods home.
Radagon being a red haired hammer wielder that had a political marriage to end a war, he's Thor.
If deathblight is viewed as a rot afflicting the erdtree and the golden order then Godwyn and fortissax could be viewed as the Nidhogg
Radahn may be the horse connection with Renallas kids being Loki's kids; Ranni being Hel, Blaidd being Fenrir and Rykard being Jormungand you also have Radahns scrawny horse he learned gravity magic to ride on is Sleipnir, that or Torrent
Malenia has two strong connections to valkyries rather than just her aesthetic and item descriptions; they are known as protectors of who the hold dear (miquella) and are associated with gold (unalloyed gold is a big thing for Malenia)
Have you covered Sir Gideon Ofnir, the All-Knowing?
they can deny but the similarities are inevitable.
in addition there is also some of the Jewish mythology in the game, for examplethe character of shabriri.
he is a demon from Jewish mythology.(שברירי) Jewish writings about him say that he is a night demon who comes out of the water and causes the blindness of his victims by taking their eyes. This demon was also known for lies and deceptions.
Blaidd is not ranni's brother though, he was a sworn servant, her shadow. Same with maliketh and marika. Such shadows are entrusted by 2 fingers
Godwyn is also very reminiscent of Baldur, a heroic beloved god/demigod whose death/murder signals the end of things, in case of Norse mythology Ragnarök and in case of Elden Ring the war of The Shattering and the end of the age of the erdtree.
How did you forget about Sleipnir? I find it hard to forget the story of loki turning into and getting impregnated by a horse.
there's DEFINITELY lots of Norse myth references and influences for this game
same way Ancient greece , Paganism, Celtic etc
a great reason for me to love it
is not like RADA'THOR got very inspired on the mighty Thor as well hey
Do one on the celtic influences on Elden Ring
And once again, another great video.
BTW, just watched some videos about The Outer Wildes. Have you ever got a chance to play it? I think you’ll love it and would love to analyze it. Personally, I would love your thoughts.
6:00 oh, I can’t believe it just now hit me. Was the nokron fingerslayer blade first used to sever the fingers into the two and three fingers, with that being the great act of blasphemy that got them banished underground?
(How would that even fit into the timeline? Is there anyway it could fit into Tarnished Archeologists timeline specifically?) (Apologies if this has been covered on this channel previously)
Edit. Ah, but there are other two fingers at the tops of the divine towers. Perhaps not.
I have a small theory that might make the archtrees more important. The archtrees are from a buried or dead being from the evil ending of Demon's souls. That being is called The Old One. The Archtrees are the "roots" growing out of the ground from The Old One. How you interpret it is up to you Max. Good Luck.
Perhaps Malenia is called a Valkyrie as she leads Albinaurichs and misbegottens into the Haligtree (a Vallalah?).
about Surtr, would Lord of Frenzied Flame fit, since he brought the fire that would burn the world?
Hey Max have you seen any Andrei Tarkovsky movie it would be great if you do a philosophical breakdown of the Stalker movie
You didn't mention Godwyn's connection to Baldur, and I think it's one of the most interesting ones. Baldur's death, orchestrated by Loki started a chain of events, which lead to Ragnarök, the end of the world, same as Godwyn's death was the first event that directly lead to the shattering. Don't quote me on that, but was not Baldur the first god to die as well? And Baldur was resurrected after Ragnarök, so he was the only one who lived after death, or lived in death. Also his soul fell to Hel(heim) and Hel didn't want to release him before the events of Ragnarök.
Loki has a 4th child, Sleipnir the 7 legged horse Odin rides, although Loki was the mother in that case
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You forgot Slipnir the 8 legged horse
Godwyn is a clear reference to Baldur. A God loved by all, and who's death signaled the end.
Ofnir is one of many names for Odin
This is true. Ofnir is also the name of the debut album of the European "folk band" Heilung.
@@torefagerli4135 Heilung is the fucking best! Absolute pinnacle of musical performance!
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Also i recommend a story called (reverend insanity) it is *profound incarnate *
Which sekiro boss you stuck at?
Loki had 4 children. Would that make Torrent Sleipnir?
You didn't speak about a VERY DIRECT LINK. Sir Gideon Ofnir. OFNIR is another name for Odin, and both are known to collect knowledge, to be obsessed with it.
About the crucible: I actually think is "just" the origin of life on the planet, not the origin of the Universe. I think that a better parallel for the "prima materia" may be the "One Great" (Hyetta last dialogues in her questline are about that). It should be the primordial state of the universe, where everything was one, there was no distinction between things (there were no separate "things" actually), basically the primordial chaos present in many culture.
About Odin: one of his many names is Ofnir.
Gideon Ofnir is Odin in this game. Just like Lord Bloodraven is Odin in "A song of Ice and Fire". I strongly doubt that a god like Odin, who perfectly understood the order and nature of the universe, could be connected to the frenzy flame. (Besides the word "odin" can be translated also as "the furious one")
Many norse mithology experts thinks that Odr or Oder (husband of Freya) is Just a different way to say "Odin", the meaning is the same (So Freya and Frigga, wife of Odin, should be the same goddess; hust like in God of War).
Godfrey is the God Frey (duh!), I know, this is probably the most easy-to-spot reference. Godfrey started the age of the Erdtree, an age of life. Frey was a god associated with fertility, summer, light and life. His nemesis was Surtr, the leader of the fire Giants.
Frey married a beautiful Jotunn, so beautiful that she literally shone. One possible translation for Marika is "maiden of light" so she could be related to that jotun (nut Marika could also be the Freya of this universe).
Godwyn is Baldr, first of the aesir to die, killed (indirectly) by Loki.
I agree with the parallel Ranni-Hela, Rykard-Jormungandr, Blaidd-Fenrir (there was also Radahn, but Radahn didn't helped Ranni with her plain, as far as I know).
And I know this a very weak connection, but couldn't Radagon be insipred by Loki? They both have red hair, they can change sex, they married witches and gave birth to witches, they were chained in a secret cave. Loki knew both the magic of Runes and the Seidr (female magic of witches), Rdagon studied soreceries with Rennala and Incantations with Marika.
Loki was a Jotun and was always seen as an outsider by the Aesir, Radagon was ashamed by his red hair, so similar to Giant's hair.
One has to wonder why Malenia and Radahn were fighting to begin with. Perhaps Malenia, as a valkyrie, was tasked with slaying Radahn and putting his body back into the Erd Tree. Perhaps to restore him as a warrior when it mattered, or to imbue the Erd Tree with his star-stopping spirit.
The Scarlet Rot has a lot of similarities with the red liquid in the Ripley Scroll, symbolising completion of the great work. Perhaps the reason Caelid has exposed Giant bones is because the Rot is slowly dissolving the impure matter of the world, revealing it's foundations (which are sturdier, being made of Giants).
My biggest issues are with the union between Radagon and Marika. Did Radagon split off from Marika, or was he an existing man that later became one with Marika? If they had children, why were these not enough to complete the great work, or were they and we just don't like the form it takes (the Rot). Is Rennala's egg an incomplete Philosopher's Stone, and this incompleteness is what encouraged Marika to take or reclaim Radagon (Rennala being the wrong white queen for the job)? Is the Haligtree the philosopher's stone, and did it fail because it was sabotaged by the Greater Will, ergo Marika shattering the Elden Ring?
Baldur is very similar to Godwyn. They were both beloved gods whose deaths preceded apocalyptic wars - Ragnarok/The Shattering
Also, Baldur would be reincarnated following Ragnarok just as Godwyn would be reborn as the Prince of Death.
Kinda weird you left out lokis 4th child the 6 legged horse Sleipnir
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Good video, but Blaidd isn't Ranni's brother lol
not by blood, by Blaidd is Ranni's brother when he became her shadow
@@catboynestormakhno2694 he did not make that distinction so i don't think that's what he meant
If Ranni and Blaidd are half siblings, which parents do they share?
Damn that Ranni association tough.
Moose-pull-heim.
Niflheim is wrong btw. Hel is in Helheim. But i think i can remember that you have to go through niflheim to get there. But niflheim is the realm of mist and fog. And is where the ice giants are, not the dead. Correct me if Im wrong. But i do not trust the internett. I trust mostly the book Edda. If it is close to the original in norse.
WHY ARE YOU NOT USING B-ROLL FROM GOD OF WAR ITS WAS ALMOST CREATED FOR THIS VIDEO
But Ymir create female and male other giants! Oðin, Víli and Vé created the first humans: Askr and Embla!
I find it interesting that many aspects of Norse mythology go way farther back, so they can be seen in other Indo-European mythologies such as the Slavic, Greek and Iranian ones (especially the Creation myth and pantheon). Elden Ring keeps those old stories alive and gives them its own twist
Really you could Imagine Elden Ring being a kind of mythology on its own
Like what if Godfrey was praised as a mighty Warrior God