I was wondering if I was going crazy and that I had seen it before or if this was someone stealing someone else’s video, but it makes more sense if he just reuploaded with the audio fixed.
Hey awesome, I'm definitely going to buy this. One tip, I think it would be really interesting to make some type of upgrade route where the EDM machine can cut its own replacement parts out of aluminium to make it stiffer. So it would be great if that is kept in mind when designing the 3D printed parts. Beyond that, awesome design! I can see a lot of love went into the design of this machine.
I do not see myself owning one of these, but will be watching your journey - easy sub to make. When shop/homemade CNC machines were first being introduced on RUclips I predicted we were at the beginning of a new industrial revolution. I believed the CNC would drive a router, and with some modifications a laser. I'll now add and EDM to the list. The incredible power for inventors/makers with these affordable machines tinkering in a garage or basement will really advance society in both good and bad ways. Thank you for sharing. Great little machine.
I feel that software experience is going to be key, if you can get the user experience as noob friendly and approachable as modern 3D printing there’s a huge market of people who’d love this. If the process to get a part machining is esoteric and relies on the user being a CAM/klipper expert then it’s going to be a tough ask for most hobbyists.
Looks great. I'd use button head socket caps where possible so all forces are basically compressive. The countersunk can flare and crack plastic if overtightened, button head are more forgiving.
Seriously, this is the most excited I've been for the past decade. I'm definitely going to follow this and most probably buy one of these kits sometime down the line, so get ready to have them shipped to Europe.
Brilliant design. I used to operate an industrial wire EDM and plunge EDM so I know what you are talking about. Generally, these are machines that can machine metal to an accuracy of 0.01 or even 0.005mm There is a basic condition - the machine body must be temperature stable. Your idea is great- maybe we won't achieve the accuracy of an industrial machine but yes the accuracy will be higher than for example 3d printing. 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I am a hobbyist machinist and metal worker, I have two lathes, a bridgeport mill and a surface grinder. I've wanted to buy a used wire edm machine but those available are usually ancient and non running and in need of repairs. This make be in my future, depending on the working envelop of the tool
10 years from now we will be making microchips at home. sometimes i think in future people will just make everything by themselves , kids talking about how their os is better , making their own chips. it will be crazy
Maybe EDM is rare where you are but in MN, with all the manufacturing, there are tons of them. It's normal for die shop to have 4-5 wires and that many sinkers. Injection mold shops probably have more of both. A lot of shops, like mine, even have EDM drills. I LOVE this project! I will be buying one for my home shop!
@MorlockEngineering That's just one shop. There are hundreds (if not thousands) of mold and die shops in the US. Each has at least that many machines... that's a lot of machies. The bigger universities have machine shops as well and they definitely have wire machines.
I'm with you on this one Ethan, wire EDMs aren't "rare" or "lost" technology. They are simply more niche due to the inherent process limitations. Mills don't care about the conductance of the material and are generally capable of being precise enough for most applications. EDMs also cause a "recast layer" which is essentially a casing of re-solidified metal where it was cut which can affect part geometry and lifespan.
Imagine, you could essentially print a planetary gear box with it. Maybe it wouldn't be efficient and time-consuming, maybe some flaws. But as a demonstration in practice, it would be very impressive.
Just found your channel and project for the first time. 100% saving up for this. I can already think of a few projects that my makerspace could use this on. Thank you for putting in all this work ❤
I'd want a more 2d axis version, designed specifically for sheet metal. From watching this video (no further knowledge) that would be the best use case for this type of machine.
Lovely. I've enjoyed the various clips from 3D printer RUclipsrs. This is the sort of thing I would love in my workshop (*cough* garage). Will be continuing to keep an eye out.
You need a way to keep the tank and exposed components clean. The debris from edm usuallly requires a cleaner like lime-a-way so make sure the materials you use can resist acids.
With that Fith axis you could in theory cheaply make a lead screw for a 3d print plastic recycling machine if the tolerances are tightened up more. Then all you would need is a grinding machine which all you would need to do is cut out some gears and make a sturdy attachment for them.
Congrats on developing a game-changing machine! When are you guys looking to expand the team 👀? I’d love to contribute to a technology that will change manufacturing as we know it!
Yes exactly my thought, I even subscribed after a few minutes into the video. Well made video, incredible to have access to desktop wire EDM machine (with a 400$ power stystem). Like he said, when I watched the prices back then for the power supply it was really 2-3K. So I'm looking forward to seeing the next version of this machine with great care.
@@alexross26 Rocket engines are printed from massive rolls of welding wire by robot arms and turntables. It's very neat - I've seen it happening - but the accuracy is in the millimetre range. The nozzle is metres across. You couldn't fit the machine in your house, even if you took the furniture out, and the 3 phase requirements are rather high. Oh, and it is £millions too. Jet turbines are done via a rather more accurate process, something like direct laser sintering of metal powder heated to near melting point under an inert gas. The risk of an inert gas killing you and your entire family in your sleep is likely too high for most, as well as, again, the power requirements and the costs that start from £200k. Maybe as low as £60k for the very lowest kit. Having said that, there is a nylon 3d SLS/DLS printer coming out soon, running about £2k, dropping the price from the £16k bottom end of the market currently. Micronics. Look them up!
@@NigelTolley I went to a conference 30 years ago held by Apple where they explained why computers would never get any faster. Plenty of surprises to come with this technology.
@@alexross26the biggest problems are huge issues: grain structure (or lack thereof), and internal stresses. When printed parted are heat treated (for grain bond and stress relief), the parts change drastically. Metal 3d printing, currently, is about as consistent and reliable as casting.
I have a couple thousand hours on professional EDM and this excites me very much. Little tip, even if your hardware is flawless, it's all about the controller and software. My Voron has single micron repeatability but it's useless without correct compensation.
Its going to be wild to see the kind of projects and products that this enables. Your existing non wire EDM machine already opened the door to precision manufactured 2d and stamped parts. adding a whole extra dimension with the capacity for precision rotary manufacturing as well is even more mind blowing! Best of luck in your future endeavors I can hardly wait!!!
Yeah these things are not rare, that's complete bs. this is a cool project but I've seen 3 different ones in the last 6 months on facebook marketplace alone in my area, and I'm not even in a super industrial city like chicago
I'm not seeing any examples of 4 axis wire edm. The tool shop I used to work at had a Mitsubishi 4 axis wire edm that we were cutting actual 4 axis parts. This machine cost about 250,000 dollars in 1995. We also utilized some elaborate post process programming to generate the math to move all 4 axis in unison. Our 4 axis parts consisted of tapered cuts through s7 steel going through 1 inch thick to 4 inch thick parts. Another example was a transition of a triangular shape hole on one side of the part with a circular shape hole on the other side. Amazing that the process could create all the geometry from one side to the other. Like I said, this isn't 4 axis. I do congratulate on creating a 2 axis machine.
Wow! Bringing this tech to the hobbyist is incredible. For small to mid sized workshops, do you think it's possible to scale this up? Here's the dream: being able to cut standard >12mm thick steel sheets at pace with insane tolerances (without having to fork over silly amounts of money for laser cutting equipment), and keep floor space usage minimal.
Amazing! Saw you guys @CNCKitchen. This as a disruption! Micro-mechanics: gears, watch parts, micro-surgery tool parts, brushless motor stators, gun parts, and injection molds etc. Open source, engineering, and product development at its best! I hope you great times! 😀
It's not a new type of machine. Watch parts are much more suitable with laser cutting and/or photoetching cutting. The wire has a diameter really not negligeable for micro parts to create. EMD wire machine can achieve incredibly tight tolerences but a micro gear or watch part, laser cutter can do sharp inside/ouside corner with not radius. But I'm totally agreed with you, a desktop affordable wire EDM machine could me incredible, mostly the 400$ power supply. After that it's the precision of the X-Y movement of the machine, rigidity and so on that will dictate it's precision. I'm looking forward to seeing the machine and its price.
@@fabienl4979 Thanks for the detail. My bad; perhaps only clock parts, then (which actually someone mentioned) ;) Sounds like rigidity is a simple problem. Then again, I have no idea about microscopic tolerances of a dynamic system =)
I can cut and make lots of things at home with consumer 3D printers and laser engravers/cutters (Fiber & C02) but metal is not one I can really cut, expect for 0.2mm AL card.... This is an amazing development for home makers, well done!
""" Hi, this looks like a very fun project, and here are a few tips: =3 * Add a GFI on the power input, and ground your frame properly... or UL will get cranky * Add manual magnetic interlock + emergency stop (i.e. if the power pops back on it doesn't cause injury) * Add a DPDT contactor to be able to invert the work-piece and probe polarity (this is used with a sacrificial surface to resharpen sinker probes) * Klipper is not likely going to work they way you need... because EDM is a closed-loop _adaptive_ non-contact milling process (i.e. the motion may back out of a cut to re-set the ark distance, adjust feed rates to prevent excessive surface pocking from over-current, and drop voltage to minimum to localize the cutting line.) LinuxCNC/EMC people have done numerous custom machines over the years, but the kinematics require a reasonably powerful PC to do 3+ axis. * most EDM systems I've seen use copper coated molybdenum wire * Many papers have concluded for wire EDM it is best to run 3A to 10A , 60v to 130v, 1MHz, and 30% "on" duty cycle. (Note: the FCC EMI rules are a $1m fine, so a fish tank likely won't do...) * most EDM have a dry touch off process, and only fill the tank with liquid just before a run * most modern EDM out of Japan can self thread there own wire to repair breaks or do multiple islands * bearings and ruby wire guides are standard consumable parts * helical milling spiral-cutter flutes or threaded-holes in carbide is still done in the USA * Contact the CAM tool box author for FreeCAD. I met him during my project days, and he is a nice community minded person. Don't splatter the RF spectrum... I guarantee you some local radio operators will find your machine in minutes. In my country it is a $5k fine and minimum 1 year in jail. This message will be deleted in a few days... Good luck =3 """ - joel_mckay this comment wont be deleted
This is awesome. I'll be looking into this and following along. A wire chopper is a very good idea. I watched a guy drop a used wire spool and end up needing is calf muscle put back together.
Ohhh, very good, I worked doing mechanical projects and drawings for the first wire edm made in Brazil, it was long time ago, 1980. The electronics was made for a friend, he is electrical engineer, i belive this machine is working 'till now, was usede a Diadur CNC 2 axis only . . .
Australian electrical safety rules, in particular earthing requirements, are quite strict. Any device that is mains powered has to comply with a heap of rules otherwise the importer can face jail time.
Hey we have the exact same watch! great nerds think alike. :D looking forward to placing my order. this machine is exactly what I have been dreaming of for years. Thank you for your efforts.
Thanks for sharing, if you make some videos telling the theory of operation of the power supply i have good expertise to suggest improvements, also I may have some tricks in my hat to lower the PCB BOM cost
Very interesting, i didn't see the Kickstarter but interested when it comes out. How often does the wire break mid cut and how easy is it to thread, is there a way it can auto thread?
I own a desktop CNC and it's a pain in the ass in so many ways that this solves! Including metal particulates flying everywhere, lubrication requirement, and extremely rigid chassis. And you're telling me you can cut tungsten carbide? My desktop CNC can barely cut aluminum 6061. Great work!
I am currently going into my senior year in a mechanical engineering degree and would love to discuss the possibility of interning. I’ve taken some introductory CAD classes and have used inventor to design parts and to create some simple assemblies. I would love to further my CAD capabilities and to work on such an interesting, innovative project. Loved the video !
I'm super thrilled about this. However, according to Teaching Tech and others, the big holdup frequently isn't the hardware, it's the software. How do we generate toolpaths and so on that work on this?
Nice project , just take in consideration water shall be pure and filtering is a crucial parameter on wire EDM , aluminium is easy to cut but worth to filtering
What is this Voodoo magic? I have just purchased my very own workshop and planning the machinery right now! THis is definatley going to become part of the landscape!
I have to say that this project is really impressive. I come from a CNC Kitchen video and this catched my eye. Got to do my own research to get here. Let's boost the algorithm. This is real work of art and engineering combined. I work in plastic injection moulding and I have to design the electrodes, many of which are wire edm cut. I would love to buy one, or maybe wait for the industrial scale one. I would also love a video of the 3D assembly. This project has future.
@@MorlockEngineering I mean no disrespect but, like with 3D printers, it takes a period of time where a product becomes better in the way that it's worth buying for bussinesses. For a guy in his garage, this is epic. But for a small/medium bussiness the risk is too high. They would probably spend more on something that has more experience/background.
love the idea and functionality. However, I buy tools to make small batch parts. I am more than a hobbiest, but less than a full blown protoype shop. I would be very interested in a fully built "kit" such as common P printers. Or better yet, a fully assembled version, like you get in the Bantam CNC machines. Either way, thanks for making this leap, and I will keep an eye out for future projects and advancements of your.
This work is so amazing, thank you so much for your effort. I can finally have a proper cutting machine in my apartment, without the misses complaining about noise, haha
Really cool power supply and machine 👍I especially like that it can cut diagonally too. What about water filtration and cycling?❓Is it just open flow from the tap to the drain?❓Or cycling without filtration? Also:❓Can the waste spool be used one or a few more times? Or is it pretty much done in the first pass?
I like using a 10 micron filter after the flushing pump to recycle the water. We are going to leave the flushing and filtration as a self-source system. Different users will want different pumps and filters depending on their application.
Is there a way to ‘punch’ holes completely in the interior of a part? Perhaps using the stand alone rod to make a hole then threading the wire through it? That’s perhaps the biggest drawback of wire edm compared to other methods
Hey I love this project and I say this from a place of good will. I think you have massively over engineered that enclosure. It doesn't need magnet snaps for the power supply etc simplicity now will save you a lot of future pain.
@marcusrauch4223 In very hard materials, it could be much easier and more precise to use a rod to create a small hole for the wire. Also, with that alternative attachment, you could produce some other geometry not possible with strictly wire edm.
This is a wonderful development! You WILL change rapid prototyping and manufacturing forever. I'm certain of it. My only criticism is regarding the pre-order; $2,000 for a pre-order is way too much. I understand you need the capital and commitment, but I suggest looking into finding a different balance point on that scale. $500 reservation fee might be your sweet spot for volume.
What seems to be a very complicated, expensive, and for-specialist-only technology becomes accessible to ordinary people like me :). Love to have one myself~
This is awsome, ive looked many times for a mini EDM for my hobby shop. When will it be ready for purchase and how would I go about ordering one? Is there anyway to place a pre order to ensure I can get when as soon as they are released? What the limitations are as far as material thickness and material type such as hardened tool steel, Can you use the wire as an edge finder to locate your part, or find the center of a hole before you start cutting? Great Job!
@@MorlockEngineering I think I might I've been wondering about 3d printing the electodes out of either brass PLA or conductive PLA mixed with brass powder
@00:30 That's a pretty bold claim. I'd estimate nearly 10,000, wire EDMs just in the domestic Aerospace, Defense and Small Arms industries, since a lot of those parts can't be imported.
Wow , very cool machine ,impresive work, this machines ,the big ones cost a lot of money ,i think there is a market there for litle but usefull machines like this
What are you using for torrids and guide in the heads? What are you using to control the K of the water? Are you doing continuous filtering to prevent arcing?
We are using EDM ceramic wire guides in both the top and bottom tools. Filtration is optional, unless you are doing multi-hour cuts in which a lot of chips are produced. For those cuts, we have found that 10 micron filters work perfectly fine for keeping the water conductivity low. Water conductivity matters much less, we have found, when you are not trying to hit single digit micron accuracy.
I wonder if USB C to power it would make things simpler with regards to certification etc. While no 240W adapters exist that I've seen in the wild, 140W ones are somewhat common place, which makes it realistic to power all of the cutting from a single USB-PD port
This is amazing! Great work.
Ohhh, you fixed left audio channel only. Thank you!
I was wondering if I was going crazy and that I had seen it before or if this was someone stealing someone else’s video, but it makes more sense if he just reuploaded with the audio fixed.
There's no words. Just a standing ovation. Great work and a great project. May the market appreciate your contribution. Unbelievable.
Hey awesome, I'm definitely going to buy this. One tip, I think it would be really interesting to make some type of upgrade route where the EDM machine can cut its own replacement parts out of aluminium to make it stiffer. So it would be great if that is kept in mind when designing the 3D printed parts. Beyond that, awesome design! I can see a lot of love went into the design of this machine.
Recursive manufacturing. Beautiful!
@@markTheWoodlands Let's go on a recursion excursion safari!
Would really love to see the actual work flow from design to cutting. Awesome project, as soon as it comes available in Europe I'll order one.
Okay, I will make a video on this.
I do not see myself owning one of these, but will be watching your journey - easy sub to make. When shop/homemade CNC machines were first being introduced on RUclips I predicted we were at the beginning of a new industrial revolution. I believed the CNC would drive a router, and with some modifications a laser. I'll now add and EDM to the list. The incredible power for inventors/makers with these affordable machines tinkering in a garage or basement will really advance society in both good and bad ways. Thank you for sharing. Great little machine.
Why are the bad ways? Gun inventors?
I feel that software experience is going to be key, if you can get the user experience as noob friendly and approachable as modern 3D printing there’s a huge market of people who’d love this. If the process to get a part machining is esoteric and relies on the user being a CAM/klipper expert then it’s going to be a tough ask for most hobbyists.
well said Jon.
A slicer is a type of CAM software 😂
And hobbyists absolutely use CAM and CAD.
Onshape, for example, takes not even ten minutes to learn.
Looks great. I'd use button head socket caps where possible so all forces are basically compressive. The countersunk can flare and crack plastic if overtightened, button head are more forgiving.
Seriously, this is the most excited I've been for the past decade. I'm definitely going to follow this and most probably buy one of these kits sometime down the line, so get ready to have them shipped to Europe.
Brilliant design.
I used to operate an industrial wire EDM and plunge EDM so I know what you are talking about.
Generally, these are machines that can machine metal to an accuracy of 0.01 or even 0.005mm
There is a basic condition - the machine body must be temperature stable.
Your idea is great- maybe we won't achieve the accuracy of an industrial machine but yes the accuracy will be higher than for example 3d printing.
👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
I am a hobbyist machinist and metal worker, I have two lathes, a bridgeport mill and a surface grinder. I've wanted to buy a used wire edm machine but those available are usually ancient and non running and in need of repairs. This make be in my future, depending on the working envelop of the tool
10 years from now we will be making microchips at home. sometimes i think in future people will just make everything by themselves , kids talking about how their os is better , making their own chips. it will be crazy
Maybe EDM is rare where you are but in MN, with all the manufacturing, there are tons of them. It's normal for die shop to have 4-5 wires and that many sinkers. Injection mold shops probably have more of both. A lot of shops, like mine, even have EDM drills. I LOVE this project! I will be buying one for my home shop!
>4 machines
That is not a lot at all.
@MorlockEngineering That's just one shop. There are hundreds (if not thousands) of mold and die shops in the US. Each has at least that many machines... that's a lot of machies. The bigger universities have machine shops as well and they definitely have wire machines.
That is still only a few ten of thousands machines. There are millions of mills, lathes, and printers.
@MorlockEngineering Did you state that EDM is more rare then those other machines or rare in general?
I'm with you on this one Ethan, wire EDMs aren't "rare" or "lost" technology. They are simply more niche due to the inherent process limitations. Mills don't care about the conductance of the material and are generally capable of being precise enough for most applications. EDMs also cause a "recast layer" which is essentially a casing of re-solidified metal where it was cut which can affect part geometry and lifespan.
Imagine, you could essentially print a planetary gear box with it.
Maybe it wouldn't be efficient and time-consuming, maybe some flaws. But as a demonstration in practice, it would be very impressive.
Not with those tolerances. You want to be in the 5-10 micron range, not 50-100.
I'm very impressed with this project, both in innovation and straightforward, elegant, engineering.
Thank you!
I'll wait for better tolerances. Gratulations gor your achievements so far! Super impressive
Just found your channel and project for the first time. 100% saving up for this. I can already think of a few projects that my makerspace could use this on. Thank you for putting in all this work ❤
I'd want a more 2d axis version, designed specifically for sheet metal. From watching this video (no further knowledge) that would be the best use case for this type of machine.
Lovely. I've enjoyed the various clips from 3D printer RUclipsrs. This is the sort of thing I would love in my workshop (*cough* garage). Will be continuing to keep an eye out.
You need a way to keep the tank and exposed components clean. The debris from edm usuallly requires a cleaner like lime-a-way so make sure the materials you use can resist acids.
With that Fith axis you could in theory cheaply make a lead screw for a 3d print plastic recycling machine if the tolerances are tightened up more. Then all you would need is a grinding machine which all you would need to do is cut out some gears and make a sturdy attachment for them.
Congrats on developing a game-changing machine! When are you guys looking to expand the team 👀? I’d love to contribute to a technology that will change manufacturing as we know it!
Such a clean design! Excited about printing the Betta Wire as soon as the files are available.
Damn, one video and I subscribed. Thats a record. I want to watch the progress of this device and your new company. Congrats!
Yes exactly my thought, I even subscribed after a few minutes into the video. Well made video, incredible to have access to desktop wire EDM machine (with a 400$ power stystem). Like he said, when I watched the prices back then for the power supply it was really 2-3K. So I'm looking forward to seeing the next version of this machine with great care.
I used EDM on Inconel Metal works great, super tuff metal to cut normally
gods work. you are doing gods work. its like a stopgap until real 3d metal printing gets to the consumer level
Consumer 3d printing, especially with metal (if it ever even happens) will never be as accurate as these machines can be.
@@NigelTolley why. rocket engines and jet turbines are 3d printed, I think those industries require accuracy
@@alexross26 Rocket engines are printed from massive rolls of welding wire by robot arms and turntables. It's very neat - I've seen it happening - but the accuracy is in the millimetre range. The nozzle is metres across. You couldn't fit the machine in your house, even if you took the furniture out, and the 3 phase requirements are rather high. Oh, and it is £millions too. Jet turbines are done via a rather more accurate process, something like direct laser sintering of metal powder heated to near melting point under an inert gas. The risk of an inert gas killing you and your entire family in your sleep is likely too high for most, as well as, again, the power requirements and the costs that start from £200k. Maybe as low as £60k for the very lowest kit.
Having said that, there is a nylon 3d SLS/DLS printer coming out soon, running about £2k, dropping the price from the £16k bottom end of the market currently. Micronics. Look them up!
@@NigelTolley I went to a conference 30 years ago held by Apple where they explained why computers would never get any faster. Plenty of surprises to come with this technology.
@@alexross26the biggest problems are huge issues: grain structure (or lack thereof), and internal stresses. When printed parted are heat treated (for grain bond and stress relief), the parts change drastically. Metal 3d printing, currently, is about as consistent and reliable as casting.
Awesome! I created "GatorCAM for cnc" with slow feed speed capabilities to allow for EDM!
You may really like it!
I have a couple thousand hours on professional EDM and this excites me very much.
Little tip, even if your hardware is flawless, it's all about the controller and software.
My Voron has single micron repeatability but it's useless without correct compensation.
Yes. I agree.
Congratulations. I hope you sell a million of these!
I hope so too!
Its going to be wild to see the kind of projects and products that this enables. Your existing non wire EDM machine already opened the door to precision manufactured 2d and stamped parts. adding a whole extra dimension with the capacity for precision rotary manufacturing as well is even more mind blowing! Best of luck in your future endeavors I can hardly wait!!!
I had no idea wire edm was so rare! Thankfully I work in a shop with 5 of them.
That's what I was thinking too. Not super common, but definitely not what I would consider "rare".
I worked in a shop with 16 wires for 20 years. Agreed, not super rare in the manufacturing world nowadays.
They're not rare 😅
Same
Yeah these things are not rare, that's complete bs. this is a cool project but I've seen 3 different ones in the last 6 months on facebook marketplace alone in my area, and I'm not even in a super industrial city like chicago
I'm not seeing any examples of 4 axis wire edm. The tool shop I used to work at had a Mitsubishi 4 axis wire edm that we were cutting actual 4 axis parts. This machine cost about 250,000 dollars in 1995. We also utilized some elaborate post process programming to generate the math to move all 4 axis in unison. Our 4 axis parts consisted of tapered cuts through s7 steel going through 1 inch thick to 4 inch thick parts. Another example was a transition of a triangular shape hole on one side of the part with a circular shape hole on the other side. Amazing that the process could create all the geometry from one side to the other.
Like I said, this isn't 4 axis. I do congratulate on creating a 2 axis machine.
Wow! Bringing this tech to the hobbyist is incredible. For small to mid sized workshops, do you think it's possible to scale this up? Here's the dream: being able to cut standard >12mm thick steel sheets at pace with insane tolerances (without having to fork over silly amounts of money for laser cutting equipment), and keep floor space usage minimal.
So cool. I think a sinker version would be cool too.
Commenting to boost the trip vid
Amazing! Saw you guys @CNCKitchen. This as a disruption! Micro-mechanics: gears, watch parts, micro-surgery tool parts, brushless motor stators, gun parts, and injection molds etc. Open source, engineering, and product development at its best! I hope you great times! 😀
It's not a new type of machine. Watch parts are much more suitable with laser cutting and/or photoetching cutting. The wire has a diameter really not negligeable for micro parts to create. EMD wire machine can achieve incredibly tight tolerences but a micro gear or watch part, laser cutter can do sharp inside/ouside corner with not radius.
But I'm totally agreed with you, a desktop affordable wire EDM machine could me incredible, mostly the 400$ power supply. After that it's the precision of the X-Y movement of the machine, rigidity and so on that will dictate it's precision. I'm looking forward to seeing the machine and its price.
@@fabienl4979 Thanks for the detail. My bad; perhaps only clock parts, then (which actually someone mentioned) ;)
Sounds like rigidity is a simple problem. Then again, I have no idea about microscopic tolerances of a dynamic system =)
I can cut and make lots of things at home with consumer 3D printers and laser engravers/cutters (Fiber & C02) but metal is not one I can really cut, expect for 0.2mm AL card.... This is an amazing development for home makers, well done!
Yes, very good, like a lot. Sadly poor and luckily european, so eagerly standing by and thrilled for the things to come. :D
We will get to you soon.
@@MorlockEngineering Kisses.
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Hi, this looks like a very fun project, and here are a few tips: =3
* Add a GFI on the power input, and ground your frame properly... or UL will get cranky
* Add manual magnetic interlock + emergency stop (i.e. if the power pops back on it doesn't cause injury)
* Add a DPDT contactor to be able to invert the work-piece and probe polarity (this is used with a sacrificial surface to resharpen sinker probes)
* Klipper is not likely going to work they way you need... because EDM is a closed-loop _adaptive_ non-contact milling process (i.e. the motion may back out of a cut to re-set the ark distance, adjust feed rates to prevent excessive surface pocking from over-current, and drop voltage to minimum to localize the cutting line.) LinuxCNC/EMC people have done numerous custom machines over the years, but the kinematics require a reasonably powerful PC to do 3+ axis.
* most EDM systems I've seen use copper coated molybdenum wire
* Many papers have concluded for wire EDM it is best to run 3A to 10A , 60v to 130v, 1MHz, and 30% "on" duty cycle. (Note: the FCC EMI rules are a $1m fine, so a fish tank likely won't do...)
* most EDM have a dry touch off process, and only fill the tank with liquid just before a run
* most modern EDM out of Japan can self thread there own wire to repair breaks or do multiple islands
* bearings and ruby wire guides are standard consumable parts
* helical milling spiral-cutter flutes or threaded-holes in carbide is still done in the USA
* Contact the CAM tool box author for FreeCAD. I met him during my project days, and he is a nice community minded person.
Don't splatter the RF spectrum... I guarantee you some local radio operators will find your machine in minutes. In my country it is a $5k fine and minimum 1 year in jail.
This message will be deleted in a few days... Good luck =3
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I need one of these! I have been thinking about building one for ages. This project may be it. Can't wait!
I’ve been making EDM since sandstorm… was clearly doing it completely wrong. I am absolutely building one of these thanks you!
He's the Josef Prusa of wire EDM - well done
This is awesome. I'll be looking into this and following along. A wire chopper is a very good idea. I watched a guy drop a used wire spool and end up needing is calf muscle put back together.
I'm superexcited! This opens a whole new renge of possibilities in the home shop!
This, and the SLS 3d printer thats hitting the consumer market are literally game changing. At home manufacturing is finally becoming a reality.
This is very exciting. The pin usage is fantastic.
Ohhh, very good, I worked doing mechanical projects and drawings for the first wire edm made in Brazil, it was long time ago, 1980. The electronics was made for a friend, he is electrical engineer, i belive this machine is working 'till now, was usede a Diadur CNC 2 axis only . . .
Making an edit, because I don't want to take away any business from this interesting project. I'm rooting for your success.
Re-upload? Also why no shipping to Australia for PSU?
We will be working with distributors soon for non-US sales.
I re-uploaded the video to fix the audio.
It would reverse the polarity.. being down under
Australian electrical safety rules, in particular earthing requirements, are quite strict. Any device that is mains powered has to comply with a heap of rules otherwise the importer can face jail time.
I keep watching this in an anxious amazement. I've had to have shared this like 20 times.
Glad you enjoy it!
Hey we have the exact same watch! great nerds think alike. :D looking forward to placing my order. this machine is exactly what I have been dreaming of for years. Thank you for your efforts.
I like where this is going,great accomplishment. I need a source for Supertec w-edm parts for a 90’s built unit
Thanks for sharing, if you make some videos telling the theory of operation of the power supply i have good expertise to suggest improvements, also I may have some tricks in my hat to lower the PCB BOM cost
Very interesting, i didn't see the Kickstarter but interested when it comes out. How often does the wire break mid cut and how easy is it to thread, is there a way it can auto thread?
BRILLIANT. Easy, nobrainer subscription. I am looking forward to adding an EDfrigginM to my capabilities!
Pure genius. I'm a manual machinist, the only CNC machine I have ever desired is a EDM machine.
hell of a power supply there fella.
beautiful.
On my infinite bucket-list... but a hat-tip to you for doing a decent job! Thank you.
You are welcome. Thank you for buying me lunch!
I own a desktop CNC and it's a pain in the ass in so many ways that this solves! Including metal particulates flying everywhere, lubrication requirement, and extremely rigid chassis. And you're telling me you can cut tungsten carbide? My desktop CNC can barely cut aluminum 6061. Great work!
When do you expect the 50 micron machine kit to be avaliable? Looking for 0.001" in accuracy
This is incredible!! Very well done; I will definitely be buying your next version!!!
I am currently going into my senior year in a mechanical engineering degree and would love to discuss the possibility of interning. I’ve taken some introductory CAD classes and have used inventor to design parts and to create some simple assemblies. I would love to further my CAD capabilities and to work on such an interesting, innovative project. Loved the video !
My lord this a revolutionary, incredible work
Indeed. This idea has the capacity to change the hardware world.
I'm super thrilled about this. However, according to Teaching Tech and others, the big holdup frequently isn't the hardware, it's the software. How do we generate toolpaths and so on that work on this?
We have our own 4-axis CAM suite written in C & Vue.
@@MorlockEngineering is that going to come with the tool or is it for internal use only?
Nice project , just take in consideration water shall be pure and filtering is a crucial parameter on wire EDM , aluminium is easy to cut but worth to filtering
We generally run 10 micron filters on our 100 PSI flushing pump.
@@MorlockEngineering does the Kit Include the pump?
What is this Voodoo magic? I have just purchased my very own workshop and planning the machinery right now! THis is definatley going to become part of the landscape!
I personally dont have any uses for this, but I'm tempted to get one just to help out. This is amazing
I have to say that this project is really impressive. I come from a CNC Kitchen video and this catched my eye. Got to do my own research to get here.
Let's boost the algorithm. This is real work of art and engineering combined. I work in plastic injection moulding and I have to design the electrodes, many of which are wire edm cut.
I would love to buy one, or maybe wait for the industrial scale one. I would also love a video of the 3D assembly.
This project has future.
Thank you. What do you mean by industrial?
@@MorlockEngineering I mean no disrespect but, like with 3D printers, it takes a period of time where a product becomes better in the way that it's worth buying for bussinesses. For a guy in his garage, this is epic. But for a small/medium bussiness the risk is too high. They would probably spend more on something that has more experience/background.
love the idea and functionality. However, I buy tools to make small batch parts. I am more than a hobbiest, but less than a full blown protoype shop.
I would be very interested in a fully built "kit" such as common P printers. Or better yet, a fully assembled version, like you get in the Bantam CNC machines.
Either way, thanks for making this leap, and I will keep an eye out for future projects and advancements of your.
I wish I found this video five months ago
This work is so amazing, thank you so much for your effort.
I can finally have a proper cutting machine in my apartment, without the misses complaining about noise, haha
This is awesome! Have you tried cutting tungsten carbide?
Any concerns with patents? Incredible work, cannot wait to see this evolve.
Can't wait for this, I'm ready to build one!
Really cool power supply and machine 👍I especially like that it can cut diagonally too.
What about water filtration and cycling?❓Is it just open flow from the tap to the drain?❓Or cycling without filtration?
Also:❓Can the waste spool be used one or a few more times? Or is it pretty much done in the first pass?
I like using a 10 micron filter after the flushing pump to recycle the water.
We are going to leave the flushing and filtration as a self-source system. Different users will want different pumps and filters depending on their application.
Is there a way to ‘punch’ holes completely in the interior of a part? Perhaps using the stand alone rod to make a hole then threading the wire through it? That’s perhaps the biggest drawback of wire edm compared to other methods
Stunning! Been subscribed for a while and the progress is substantial. Keep up the good work!
Hey I love this project and I say this from a place of good will. I think you have massively over engineered that enclosure. It doesn't need magnet snaps for the power supply etc simplicity now will save you a lot of future pain.
This is actually crazy. Awesome.
This is amazing, please tell me you are working on larger sizes
This is awesome! Looks less difficult to build than the Voron 2.4 r2 I'm currently building.
Will it be able to have a tool swap head to use a brass rod to boar a hole to start a wire cut inside a shape?
why not pre drill one?
@marcusrauch4223 In very hard materials, it could be much easier and more precise to use a rod to create a small hole for the wire. Also, with that alternative attachment, you could produce some other geometry not possible with strictly wire edm.
Yes. That is a future possibility. We have done it before.
Hello friend, please share the data for self-assembly of the same machine, you are a great fellow, the machine turned out just super.
If this becomes widespread as 3d printers it's really going to shake things up. Imagine the printer manufacturers start to get in on this.
Don’t forget other diy solutions like baxEDM!
This is a wonderful development! You WILL change rapid prototyping and manufacturing forever. I'm certain of it. My only criticism is regarding the pre-order; $2,000 for a pre-order is way too much. I understand you need the capital and commitment, but I suggest looking into finding a different balance point on that scale. $500 reservation fee might be your sweet spot for volume.
What seems to be a very complicated, expensive, and for-specialist-only technology becomes accessible to ordinary people like me :). Love to have one myself~
Awesome. Is it possible to recover electrode material from the water bath?
This is awsome, ive looked many times for a mini EDM for my hobby shop. When will it be ready for purchase and how would I go about ordering one? Is there anyway to place a pre order to ensure I can get when as soon as they are released? What the limitations are as far as material thickness and material type such as hardened tool steel, Can you use the wire as an edge finder to locate your part, or find the center of a hole before you start cutting? Great Job!
Woah, you're in colorado springs? You guys open for tours or anything? I'd love to come check this out in person!
Stop by anytime! We love visitors.
In Europe nominal voltage is 230V AC but spec is +/- 10% so from 207V to 253V and higher end is very common due to popularity of PV
Not a problem. The SMPS is rated from 90 to 264 VAC.
exciting, always wanted to try one out, so looking forward to getting one. great video too.
This is gonna change the 3d2a space forever
Do you have any plans for a ram EDM mod or stand alone machine? I'm very glad to see this process being brought to the hobbiest level
Perhaps in the future. You could buy a Powercore and 3D print a dedicated machine if you wanted.
@@MorlockEngineering I think I might I've been wondering about 3d printing the electodes out of either brass PLA or conductive PLA mixed with brass powder
This is brilliant! Is the power core sold separately from the EDM Machine or does it come with it?
Nicely done. Let me know if you ever have a use for a coop student!
@00:30
That's a pretty bold claim.
I'd estimate nearly 10,000, wire EDMs just in the domestic Aerospace, Defense and Small Arms industries, since a lot of those parts can't be imported.
That is nothing. There are millions of 3D printers in the world.
and?
You didn't make that claim @00:30
If you wanted to say"every 3dprinter can now be a wire EDM" say it in the video.
I would wager there are several hundred if not a thousand in my town. We own 12 in our small machine shop.
Wow , very cool machine ,impresive work, this machines ,the big ones cost a lot of money ,i think there is a market there for litle but usefull machines like this
What are you using for torrids and guide in the heads? What are you using to control the K of the water? Are you doing continuous filtering to prevent arcing?
We are using EDM ceramic wire guides in both the top and bottom tools.
Filtration is optional, unless you are doing multi-hour cuts in which a lot of chips are produced. For those cuts, we have found that 10 micron filters work perfectly fine for keeping the water conductivity low.
Water conductivity matters much less, we have found, when you are not trying to hit single digit micron accuracy.
@@MorlockEngineering All very good answers. thank you.
I wonder if USB C to power it would make things simpler with regards to certification etc.
While no 240W adapters exist that I've seen in the wild, 140W ones are somewhat common place, which makes it realistic to power all of the cutting from a single USB-PD port