SHADOW AND BONE S1🍿- REVIEW
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- My review of Netflix's Shadow and Bone! Their latest fantasy epic. Let's talk about this dark YA adventure!
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It pretty good overall! I’m happy. 😊 (also thank you Netflix for the early screener)
I thought it was done rather well. Gives me alot of hope for WoT
@@jbones1987 Why? I mean, WoT is by Amazon. I'm still hopeful based on what I've seen, but I don't see the correlation.
What type of Grisha would Daniel be?
Omg I'm so jealous. Was wondering have this come out already xD
@@milospollonia1121 i wasn't making a correlation tho?
Daniel went through a whole review without mentioning the best character: Milo
Disagree!
He's the one that all the fans are still mourning?
The silliness of the fans (even calling themselves "clownverse"🤦🏼♀️), really tells me one thing: these two book series aren't for me, at all.
Anyway, YA never was my cup of tea. I enjoy good middle school fantasy from time to time, for lighter readings, but at least it's written well, most often than not.
@@ChristmasLore Milo is a goat, a comic relief in the series.
@@ChristmasLore "clownverse" came from reddit... it wasn't a term people got from the books or started using until months after the show was announced. They were all basically thinking that they would get new content on certain days and when the day would come and nothing came out they started referring themselves to "clowns." Nothing Leigh Bardugo wrote in any way led the fans to call themselves the "clownverse"
It's fine if YA isn't your "cup of tea" but I'm just saying...
@@ChristmasLore Milo is the goat. It's just a light hearted joke...
yeah, i think we can all agree Kit as Jesper was the highlight of the show. Can’t wait to see how they’re gonna manage his dynamic with Wylan
aahhh Milo is the only contender who might top jesper 😂
@@raphaelawagner4032 yess, all hail our favorite Crow, Milo
That scene when David threw a book at Jesper and Jesper is like "he threw a book at me?" and he was so dumbfounded by it. I literally just started dying 😂😂
@@ashleyelisabeth4 such a great moment! I though it was a shadow and bone book too but I think that was just bc the title font seemed similar
@@luuuuux_ MILO IS BEST BOI😌
Considering this show tries to smush two books together, explain the backstories of 7+ characters, and set up a story following two separate book series in just eight 45 minute episodes, my mind was blown. It was really expository, but it managed to juggle all those things without dropping anything, and considering I expected it to crash and burn miserably I was quite pleasantly surprised.
Also really glad Jasper carried the show.
Kit was so amazing as Jesper.
I agree but kaz bekkar vibes I couldn't feel it 😕😕....pekka Rollins hitting him lol! I remembered he could touch kaz expect when he followed him in his childhood but pekka hiting kaz when did that happen??😂😂
@@moumitareads3738 Kaz was ironically the weakest of the crows for sure. The book Peka definitely has more of a who even are you??? vibes towards Kaz while show Peka is more aggressive, but I didn't mind too much. I think it's really hard to portray someone like Kaz well in a medium that doesn't have internal monologues and that's why he comes off weak.
@@miliczhasthoughts you may be correct because we all had so much expectations of kaz Baker because he is charm and potraying his all mind games and witty remarks are difficult
@@janellelives5158 haha... I love how you just slipped that in there... also hard agree
About the extra episodes: the showrunner said that they were given the go-ahead for 10 episodes but they would have had the same budget for 10 as they had fro 8, so they opted to go with 8 episodes with higher production value and hope for a higher budget and more episodes in a possible season 2
Makes sense I guess... not sure I would have made that call but I’m sure they know better!
This totally has me worried about WoT S1. If a book half as long, struggled to adapt the story to 8 episodes w/o feeling rushed/squeezed in moments, how the hell can we expect better from Rafe with double the content? I’m freaking out man!
yea i think they shouldve gone with 10 eps
@@leekelly337 they combined two books, so it's not half the length.
@@jwinget1999 the problem is that the wot adaptation is going to adapt the first two books into the first season is the problem.
Understandable that Nina's story seemed kinda random but if you've read the books, and if the showmakers get to make more seasons, I would say it was a necessary step considering (minor spoilers ahead) Nina is the most recurring character in the series and the screentime in season one will help define her storyline in future seasons. 💛
Yeah it would have been weird without Nina there it was sad enough without wylan i really loved how it was pretty unchanged from the books and gave so much helnik content for us and the tension was great but if you didn’t know them it’s very random
Yeah in the show, I loved helnik the most tbh
Facts
Nina and Matthias r two of the main characters in the Six of Crows duology.
Yes! Nina and Matthias love story is super relevant on the last duology-- King of Scars and Rule of Wolves where the wars of these nations finally came to conclusion. And Ravka wins!
as someone who really likes six of crows and is pretty meh about the shadow and bone trilogy I'm literally overjoyed about the show tbh. they improved on a lot of the issues I had with shadow and bone, while also giving me more new material with the characters I love from six of crows. it makes me really happy to see :)
Totally, the shadow and bone books were mediocre. I agree, the show managed to make the story better. I think Jessie’s acting & the script made Alina’s character more likeable. I wasn’t a Malina shipper before but Archie made me love Mal so much.
I really enjoyed how they dealt with Mal and Alina, I really didn't like them as a couple in the books. It felt forced in the books, and Mal could be a little bit of an idiot. But they did it a lot better in the show
yeah didn't love the shadow and bone trilogy, but it was nice to see that the problems I had with it weren't in the show. And yes, six of crows was definitely better, and I need the heist to happen. Not a small scale heist, but the one in the six of crows duology pls.
Completely agree! I also hope a season 2 would follow the six of crows plot closely or at least introduce Wylan since everyone is where they’re supposed to be now for that plot to start but who knows?
Same! Wasn’t in love with the S&B trilogy but this show 😍
The casting of Kaz's crew was spot on! Kaz and Inej were what I've imagined while reading the books. Jesper's my favorite character in the duology and the actor portraying him made me love him even more. Nina and Matthias were kind of like a spin-off in the tv show but I think the significance of their scenes will be fully appreciated in later seasons (if there are any). Overall, the series exceeded my expectations even though I haven't read the main storyline.
theyre the best part of the show honestly, it got me thinking that it might've been better to do just the six of crows storyline, Although i guess it wouldve been shorter series if its like that.
i absolutely loved matthias and ninas inclusion into the story. though i will admit this is probably from bias since i love the books and universe so much. however, i think it did a great job at not only setting up their characters for future events, but providing world building and showing how serious prejudice against grisha actually goes.
Agree! I thought the Nina/Matthias storyline did a great job of laying the backstory for what lands him in Hellsgate.
Agreed! Nina and Matthias were by no means the weakest part of the show. And I am not even the fan of the books.
I loved the Nina and Matthias parts so much but it's probably a lot of fan service. Through the six of crows duology they kind of sprinkle the background of those two here and there, probably the best way to do it
But Boi I loved that shit lmao
@@markothomas9765 The ship scene with the bread was terrific. Perfect tension, perfect acting- I was impressed.
Ive read the books but nina and Matthias' story did not fit well. Sure, it's setting up for the future stories but they couldve done it like the way the Six of Crows did - flashbacks. If you havent read the books, you won't understand how these two are connected. Dont get me wrong, i love these characters.
Ps: reading Six of Crows, i stan Nina x Matthias more than Kaz x Inej.
I already loved Jesper in the book but Kits performance of Jesper was just beyond perfect. He totally captured my heart, again. I love Nina and Matthias (and the actors), but I do think that they could've waited until a later season for their story to begin because Nina only spended 1 year in Ketterdam.🤷🏻♀️
I agree, because the events with Nina and Matthias didn't actually happen until after the events of the Grisha trilogy if we went by the timeline of the books so her story didn't really have to happen in season 1, but I still really enjoyed their scenes this season.
I guess from the writers pov though, they thought it would be better if we saw how Nina met the Crows in season 1 because it's easier for fans to be attached to a character that they've known from the beginning of the show rather than the middle of it.
I loved Jesper in the books and I was scared and the actor didn't look like the character in the book. But he nailed it!! Sooo good!!!
@@ApequH how didn't he look like jasper? he's mixed race ugandan and british I think? jasper is zemeni and ravkan (is his dad ravkan? I'm not sure)
@@SilverstreamPJ28 His dad is Kealish, I’m pretty sure o 3 o But yeah, I thought he looked pretty accurate to the description in the books as well
@@SilverstreamPJ28 I should have written "in my head" instead of "in the book". I imagend him darker skinned with grey eyes and sligthly more gangly, and you know different face and stuff.
Mal was my favourite character. The actor was brilliant. Book Mal could never
This! I actually didn’t like Mal in the books at all, and it was the only reason I didn’t want to watch the show, but they made him extremely likable in the show, and the actor did a great job bringing him to life and making him interesting!
Yeah I wasn’t a fan of Mal before but now I love him.
Mmm I really liked Mal in the books, and the show only made me like him more. For me Alina was the biggest improvement of the show, cause man I could not stand her in the books.
@@Naahi95 I actually can't believe Alina wasn't half shu in the books, this gives so much substance to her character
@@phirion6341 Yeah it's so much better than her feeling like an outsider because she's "too skinny and ugly" like she always remarked in the books. That whole thing of "you become beautiful" when you use your power is one of the things I hate about the books and I'm glad they changed that for the show. Also the girl hate was downplayed too, which improved Alina's character so much.
I also felt like Nina and Matthias' backstory felt a little out of place, not melding well with the other storylines. I think they should have shown Nina in the Grisha army and Matthias as a Druskelle in this season to establish their characters better first. Then had their backstory in Season 2.
It will make Sense later
@@Snakestube I've read Six of Crows so I understand why it's important but their backstory was my favorite part of that book (Nina is my favorite character) while in the show I just didn't connect with it as much. I felt like them being enemies wasn't shown as well as I understood while reading SoC. The tension of them trying to survive together and one of them could betray the other at any moment but they also kind of like each other. ahh! I just felt it so much more in the book basically and I think that it would have been better had they really established their characters first. And I actually haven't finished Crooked Kingdom yet so if anyone decides to reply PLEASE no CK spoilers!
@@BaileeWalsh yes I agree with you the pacing is too fast but I think it was because of the budget
I completely agree with you!
I've only watched the show, but I feel like they will be thematically important later, especially with the addition of Alina being half Shu etc so they probably really wanted to get it out of the way so they can get to the "good stuff". Or I could be just talking out of my ass here lol, as I don't know what Nina and Matthias' plotline is like in the books and I have no clue what direction their characters will take later in the show. But I picked up some thematic elements about enemies/people from opposing sides acknowledging each other's humanity and coming together and thought it would be a waste to not expand upon that theme with Nina and Matthias.
I had to get used to how British everyone was whilst wearing Russian clothes 🤣 (and i am British myself)
It was also pretty weird to hear people then with a faux-slavic accent like.. aren't they the same?
Never read the books, but I always waited to hear some russian accents, but those never came, and felt a little off for me to.
I thought so at the beginning too. But then I suppose it’s better than getting every actor to have a fake Russian accent, it would sound silly and inconsistent. Even in adaptations of war and peace they sound British any away.
Yeah I'm pretty sure they took a leaf from Chernobyl's book and just went with the British accents. I think Chernobyl tried to do Slavic accents and it just ended up sounding too "Rocky and Bullwinkle" if you know what I mean, so they just went to the old standby for portraying anything European (or in movies like 300 and Troy, anything from ancient Greece or Rome etc.) in English and that's to do British accents. And then, honestly, if the writing holds up, the accents honestly don't matter at that point.
I was watching it with my boyfriend and at one point he said "why are these Russian people so British?", just moments before I said the same thing, lol
The costumes in this show were truly amazing, for everyone. You can really see the dedication there. Like, there even where different keftas for different occasions even for secondarish characters!
I saw Ben Barnes as the Darkling and was on board.
yeah so they were offered 10 episodes, but the budget was the same for if they'd had 8; and i do get why they went for that so every episode had a decent budget, even though i agree that more time would've helped the storyline. i love these books and yeah, i'm floored by how damn good an adaptation this was. kit as jesper and archie as mal were personal highlights for me, they KILLED IT. also - your comment about 'DARK SCREENS' i swear i'm still scarred from the GoT battle for winterfell with that my god
Regarding chemistry between the characters: I loved that both Inej and Kaz had heartfelt talks with Jesper. Often the funny dude is the sidekick who doesn't play a big role in the relationships to the other more serious characters. I felt that the dynamic highlighted every one of the Crows as important and not merely comic reliefs
I clicked on Netflix this morning and saw that this was like top 2 in my country or whatever. I thought, "that's cool I guess". Then I googled the name of it, and it turned out I had actually read these books in Swedish, so I didn't know the names. Yay!
The Six of Crows duology has been a huge part of my life (shadow and bone trilogy less so, but I still liked the books well enough) and for the most part I really loved the show. There are a few sequences that felt off or out of place (I'm speaking mainly of waffles) but I binged it in a day and I'm still on a high.
Kit Young as Jesper stole every scene he was in (seriously, pay attention to him in the background as well)
The Nina and Matthias plot is basically their backstory to get to where they need to be in the beginning of Six of Crows but I agree it wasn't as good as the other two as far as story goes.
Jesper was so perfect
If you don't mind me asking or answering is the netflix series like a combination of the two trilogies? And like who is a part of what trilogy or are they all in both? I'm just curious how the books are set up now and how it's different after watching the show and hearing people talk about the books.
@@Thebees21 the first season of the show covers book 1 of the shadow and bone trilogy and adds in characters from the six of crows duology. The storyline following six of crows characters is almost all original to the show
😂😂😂😂
„This is the problem child, it could die and I feel nothing.“
Daniel are you getting dark?
Kit Young did such an amazing job as Jesper. I absolutely loved him in the role.
I ain't gonna lie, this show kinda rules. Haven't read the books but I think it is an interesting world with great characters/cast. I liked the cinematography better than you did, I think, Daniel. Especially the Shadow Fold stuff, felt downright cinematic, made me want to see the Ways.
I agree, I haven’t read the books but I’m really happy with the diversity of actors because I know they can white wash shows when produced in tv. I also like the lgbt representation, it was so casual and not the main focus of the lgbt characters like it usually is.
On one hand there were so many cheesy moments and lines (because YA) but on the other - I was pleasantly surprised by the amount of smart choices made by many of the characters.
@crowthrone It might've been XDD
The cheesy moments were added in just the show. I can't imagine darkling bringing flowers to Alina, telling her to call him Aleksander, kaz staight away saying that inej is unique and he believes in the crows. 😣
I haven't watched the show but few clips but it bugs me nonetheless.
Moreover, ya doesn't necessarily mean cheesy if done well, but i get u.we need better ya books.
"this one can die and I would feel nothing"
me, who'se read all the books:😳😳😳
To be honest, they could’ve given them a better storyline. That was just making me roll my eyes all the time and it felt like a let down to the rest of the story since every other sub-plot seemed solid.
Overall I'm very happy with the outcome, but I also feel like the script could have been better. I also had problems with some minor characters, but I think Netflix did a pretty good job adapting the books. And of course I was very proud to see my country on screen, the Little Palace is only 15 minutes from where I live. ☺️
Jesper: shoots the coin
Me: He's already made the series good
Whaaaaaat I loved the Nina/Mathias storyline. I think the actors had great chemistry
Same, it was actually my favourite of the three. Loved how they handled the prequel scenes from Six of Crows.
I felt it was a bit rushed but having read the books, I’m quite okay with it :)
The actors did have chemistry but the way they chose to tell the story made me so uncomfortable. I don't know, I'm not a fan of the "racist falling in love with their slave" trope. Also the dialogue was really corny.
@@Naahi95 Is this a trope? I can't think of other examples in fiction.
@@Bobo411 Well the general trope would be like "the kidnapper falls in love with her/his captive" with some prejudice or racism the captor has against the captive. I've seen it a couple times, one example that comes to mind is Jon/Ygritte in GOT.
"PEW PEW AT A DISTANCE P L E A S E" LOL
THANK YOU FOR THE HEART!
To be fair, if the people who are running at someone while shooting at them are not military/ cop (trained people) then the behavior is kinda appropriate. That behavior can be seen in a lot of gangs/ criminal shootings where the shooter ends up shooting a person from around 10 feet away (sometimes even less). The issue is mainly attached to untrained people using guns.
One cool thing I noticed was the hand movements of the grishas were actually consistent with the spells they were casting. Each style of magic user had a specific hand motion shared among each caster of a given class. Like all heartrenders used the same hand motions for example. I was really impressed with their consistency ngl
I'll actually rewatch it again tonight cause I'm not ready to let go. And also as much as I love Nina and Matthias, I agree their storyline felt kinda random.
Nina and Matthias storyline is amazing for who has read the book like me, I’m so excited to see them more and I hope they can join the crows soon in season 2
It's okay, Nina will be loads more important later on in the series. But right now, she's just kinda there. I suspect that she will have more development than majority of the first season characters.
Really loved season one, but thing I noticed for this show's cinematography: the darkness and murky shots were almost certainly a budget choice because you'll notice there aren't a lot of establishing or wide shots (or exteriors) either. They likely didn't have the budget for building whole sets all the time
As someone who hasn't read the books, the storyline of the grisha and the grisha hunter felt disconnected from the rest of the story.
Yeah, it's connected to the Six of Crows storyline, and works well in the book, but I can imagine it would've felt off
Yeah but it makes sense in a way because for season 2 Nina is going to interact with Kaz and the rest. So they will be connected
I think it was mainly fan service for people who read them. As someone who did, I loved it, but I could tell that people who didn’t wouldn’t get it.
you're totally right... luckily that shouldn't be the case if they get another season
it was explored more on the last duology-- King of Crows and Rule of Wolves where the ongoing war between nation's came to conclusion. During this season 1, the nation's wars are still ongoing.
Here's me, only reviewed S&B up until episode 2 so far while Daniel managed to review the entire season already. I tip my hat to you, Goblinking
On another (and probably more important) note, I love how Daniel's kiss at 0:37 was directly placed on Kaz.
Who doesn’t want to kiss Kaz?
@@DanielGreeneReviews he would win against celibacy without a question
@@DanielGreeneReviews idk man sounds pretty gay to me
@@user-ot3tu1yb2j its all ok if he says no homo i guess
@@DanielGreeneReviews I'd ratter kiss Jesper, already my favorite and he was played so well
I'm gonna come back and watch this after I've watched the rest of it but I loved episode 1 as I was just so excited to see the characters and settings on screen. Shadow and Bone was okay but I LOVED Six of Crows and it's been a long time since I've felt that thrill of seeing beloved characters on screen for the first time.
yes! i felt the same with the dialogue being kinda clunky and awkward - at first i had thought that maybe it was the actors not being 100% good, but they always seemed to carry it off in the end, and i still felt immersed and convinced by their line delivery, so i decided it must be a script issue rather than an acting issue :) i really, really loved this season, and i can't wait for more!
Yeah the actors sure had their fair share of lines that were awkward or just didn't make any sense. Like in the first episode when they were about to go into the fold.
Cartographer: "But you're an Inferni right, so why are you here if we are supposed to keep things dark"
Inferni: "For when the dark comes to keep you" 😕
Coming from someone who loved the books back when I read them, I'm super satisfied with the adaptation. I think they changed enough so general audiences will like it too.
They rushed Nina and Matthias story soooo quickly 🥺😥 I love them so much in the books. I wish they saved them for next season
yeah i loved the Helnik moments but i wanted more slow burn, the two of them seemed to open up to each other rather quickly
i feel like we shouldn’t have seen them, we should’ve seen them when matthias was already in hellgate. i feel like it was a bit rushed in the way we see it in the show because not enough time could be dedicated to them.
@@anoushkashenoy692 hm yeah good point, it could have been better to tell their story in flashbacks in season 2, I think the only reason they were included is because the producers knew that they'd get more viewers if Matthias and Nina were in season 1
If they had saved them for season 2 their backstory probably would have been even more rushed, as they'd have to show them in present time and flashbacks along with everything else happening in the 2nd season.
@@daisyeilbeck7795 I agree they would have felt shoehorned in if their storyline was cut out.
The only thing I didn't like: it was only 8 episodes. I really, really loved how they combined the SoC characters into the S&B storyline, and I honestly can't wait to see how they add in Wylan and Nikolai (in what I assume is in Season 2). And you're 100% correct: the actors (especially Kit) absolutely made this freaking show.
The Six of Crows books are probably in my top 5 favorite series I've ever read and I was so worried when I saw they were going to mesh both of the series together, considering they happen years apart, but I was genuinely surprised how they were able to handle the characters with care and make them feel true to the books while having them in storylines that are completely new. The casting is damn near perfect for everyone and Kit killed it as Jesper. I actually really loved Nina and Matthias' scenes, I think the actors have amazing chemistry and I know what their storyline is setting up for season 2 so it kind of felt like a build up to something better for me. As a fan of the original source material, I'm incredibly happy with how they adapted it and I can't wait to see other important characters introduced in season 2.
Was pretty meh on the book but this was really good.
Six of crows was fricking amazing though
every time people call him jasper i die inside
My bad!!!
Wasn’t a massive fan of the book but I’m willing to give this a chance
honestly i enjoyed the show more! the casting was brilliant
@@auris5550 And the characters are way more likeable. At least Alina, who I hated in the books but really liked in the show.
The character development was way better in the show as far as the Grisha trilogy goes. And they fixed a lot of the plot holes. The show was a massive improvement on the books imo.
If you haven't already read it, I'd recommend the Six of Crows duology which follows Kaz, Inej, Jesper etc (spoilers i guess) and is pretty much way more loved and less decisive than the Shadow and Bone trilogy
I also feel like the Crows really made the show even more likeable. Even though the show is already better than the book, I feel like it would've been slightly boring if the Crows weren't in it too.
I saw the title on Netflix and I was like:
“Wait.. isn’t- isn’t that a book??”
Yes, indeed it is
Jespers actor was my icon!!! The performance was A+++ from all of them!
As a huge fan of Six of Crows, I’m praying that I love this show and that the dregs are portrayed well. Your review definitely gave me hope. Personally I’m hoping this show blows up
As an update to my last comment - wherein I didn't even know what they were adapting - I've already seen half the show and I am absolutely LOVING the Six of Crows backstory plotline. The performances are SO good and I love Kaz as a character in this show. He's my favorite :D
That's true I didn't see the fight scene between mal and darkling in the end properly , because it's too dark .
Thank you!! It's really great to see an honest review from another adult! As a big SoC fan, I just wasn't very impressed with the show (in fact, I could barely make it through the first few episodes). There was way too much heavy-handed exposition, the writing is seriously on the nose / cliche (way worse than the books imo, despite the YA genre), and the dialogue felt pretty forced and hasty. I was also pretty upset with Kaz's character arc. He's meant to start out as an enigma and a mastermind, and he doesn't appear soft to anyone but Inej -- and that's only AFTER he nearly loses her in SoC. She's a catalyst for his emotions (he would never tell her he needed her outright like that, like whattttt). It felt like they took his first person POV and decided that was how he was meant to behave outwardly, but the whole point is that his actions are in conflict with his emotions. I do think they did a decent job on the set design and costuming though, and Jesper seems pretty accurate.
Jesper was my favorite character in the books so I'm really happy he was done justice!
When those 2 main characters had that standoff around the end of the sixth episode (no spoilers but kaz was involved) I practically lost my sht. Also, I think I’m in love with kit’s portrayal of Jesper. He brought a lot of flair to a less developed character from six of crows
That standoff was so iconic. I was hoping he would whack him with his cane, but this was amazing as well.
That was a quicker upload review than the speed of the Anointed!
Wasn't planning on watching as I am not big on the YA fantasy genre. Watched your review and decided to give it a try based on that. Ended up enjoying it a lot. I agree the acting was very good (and yes, Jesper was a favorite of mine). I haven't read the books so I really went in with low expectations. It pretty much beat them all and I really had a good time watching it. Thanks for the review as I probably would have missed this otherwise.
I envy your determination and time management. I didn't even had time to watch the show and here is the review.
I might check this out now--Ninth House has really been the only book of Bardugo's I've liked, but I always thought that her stuff had a spark of originality that made it stand out in the YA landscape. I'm also happy for the Grishaverse fandom; the last few adaptations of books that I love with all my heart have ranked from "fine I guess" to "atrocious" so its always nice to know that a fandom is getting nice things.
the slander on nina and matthias had my jaw on the floor. hahaha! i'm a sucker for love stories so it isn't a surprise that their part of the story is my fave lol.
I only had time to watch two episodes but I really enjoyed it. Kaz really felt spot on so far. And I want his wardrobe.
I'd say I'm a casual fan of the books, but still binged the whole thing yesterday and I loved it :D It was also shot in my home country, so I had a lot of fun recognising shooting locations. But I agree with you, the performamces were the best thing about this show.
Magyar vagy te is? :D
The real life Little Palace location (Festetics Palace) is a typical school trip place, my class went there both in middle and high school.
I'm not the bigest fan of the Grisha triology but love six of crows. I thougt the series was only about the Grisha triology so when you said Jasper I got soooo excited!
I loved Nina and Matthias's arc included especially because it felt like a surprise (seeing the cast being announced and noticing two of the SIX of crows missing). I agree that it felt tacked on at times but it set the stage for the (hopefully included) heist of the six of crows in the future.
I almost died at the start when he said he didn’t like the Matthias/Nina storyline
I think what’s hurting this show and a lot of other book adaptations is the 8 episode season. I think 10 episode seasons just have way better pace and space to breath.
Nina and Matthias was basically Jon/Ygritte but awkward
Yep. Super rushed and with way more corny dialogue.
@@Naahi95 absolutely. It felt like their plotline had to check all the milestones, but with nothing else of substance
Spoiler 👊
I loved that they included iconic dialogues from the books
"Fine,Make me your villain" hit Different
But it felt like they slandered kanej though that's not how kaz works ✋
He did it for business as well to gain inej's trust again so that she will come and not leave.
Freddy Carter who played Kez Brekker would make a perfect Hoid from The Stormlight Archive. Can't believe I haven't seen this mentioned.
I agree with your critiques of the directing style. I would have preferred something more creative and especially in the first 2 episodes there are some very clunky shots. Also I agree that the worlduilding was rushed at times but it's understandable, they have a lot of world and not too many episodes to set it up before the plot needs to get going. However I'm going to disagree with the Nina and Matthias plot line being superfluous. Besides it being practically lifted straight off the books line by line (which as a fan is always lovely to see) it's also going to become very important to future storylines, so maybe it felt out of place now but it was necessary set up for the future of the plot.
I feel they portrayed Nina and Matthias so well. The actress for Nina is exactly how I imagined her, it's like they pulled her out of my brain. It did feel a little bit crammed in though and it probably would have worked better as a flash back like in the books. But there's no going back now and I still enjoyed it.
I haven’t watched it yet but it’s a shame to hear that because Nina and Matthias’ backstory is really important for the future Six of Crows storyline
Okay I watched it and I LOVED the Helnik scenes and I wanted more
Hello! Absolutely MASSIVE Bardugo fan checking in. Just wanted to say as a die-hard fan, I was fully blown away by the show and it was more phenomenal than I ever could have hoped for. The costume designer needs a huge bonus and raise because I was thoroughly impressed with the work they put into the show. The actors/acting was the best part of the show which I'm really glad for, because the books are extremely character driven.
On the Nina and Matthias subplot, I'm actually thrilled they included it the way they did because their enemies-to-friends/lovers relationship would have been way too much to force into season 2 alone and it would have really strained the writers to make it fit as organically as possible. And it's a great idea to set it up in season 1 because the payoff in season 2 will be THAT much better because of it. It's not a bad idea to leave some ends open to really entice viewers into watching season 2 and I think they did the best possible set up they could in the timeframe they were given.
I won't comment as much for the love triangle bit you mentioned in the review because of spoilers, but also because I'm one of the crazies that's into it LMAO. Great review Daniel! I'm so so SO happy you enjoyed the show.
Just finished it, and it was great !
And this is coming from someone who's not into magic-type shows.
All the main characters did a really good job, but I fell in love with Alina Starkov (Jessie Mei Li) and Inej Ghafa (Amita Suman).
Let's meet in the meadow for season 2 !!
Very good user ratings on: IMDB & RT
I wouldn't trust rotten tomates if I were you (I'm not saying the show is bad, I liked the show, I'm just saying that RT is garbage)
@@hahaimout1693 imo, I mostly trust RT's USER ratings, but their 'critics' ratings are unreliable.
Mal, Alina, and the Darkling were never a love triangle imo. The Darkling was manipulating Alina and never an honest/true love interest, he’s an obstacle.
That's kind of a spoiler for those who haven't read the books, you know.
Haven’t read the books, LOVED S1. The acting was excellent! I agree about the Heartringer/Witch Hunter story arc, but understand why that had to limp along in the background to coalesce at the end of last episode. Look forward to S2!
Heartrender* But believe me I heard the 'Heartringer' in the show😂.
i'm a big fan of the books & i absolutely LOVED every second of this show - but also agree with pretty much everything you said here!
eight episodes was far from enough to fit all the story and characters as they deserved, but the showrunner did confirm that they didn't have a huge budget. as usual i think netflix wanted to play it safe. but considering the magnitude of the show (huge cast, they had to travel a bunch, the set design, the costumes, the special effects) i think you can see they really gave it their all and succeeded in making it as great as possible.
as a fan, i'm happy we got to see nina and matthias, but i also think their story felt completely separated from the rest, plus it was very rushed (again, should have had more episodes). i'm sure for people who didn't read the books it'll be hard to see the point in including them! which is sad because their story and specifically matthias' arc is one of the best things in SOC.
as for the editing of the show, some things i found a little annoying like how they kept using up time to repeat flashbacks and scenes we'd already seen (assuming because no more budget?), and also some of the transitions between scenes felt a little silly, like those quick swipe motions from one scene to the other, i don't think it fit the mood at all.
overall, i think it's a GREAT sign that the only not-so-great parts about this show can mostly be attributed to a lack of budget / more episodes, because it means this can be truly amazing in the next seasons if only netflix believes in them (which will depend on how many new fans this gets, of course!). but the cast and characters are absolutely the best part about this!!!
Hated the books, but this was surprisingly good
I didn't care for the books at all so I am glad to hear it is good. I will give it a shot.
Can't believe that Alina wasn't half shu in the books, great addition
Agree with you on the characters, they are brilliantly played and Jasper is excellent.
Gasp. Nina and Matthias had more chemistry in five seconds than Mal and Alina for 8 hours.
Exactly...
The show overshadows the books. I had to pull all my inner strength to finish the book series. I will say Crooked Kingdom was a blast to read. I stayed up until 5am watching the show. bravo netflix perfect casting choices 👏
So, I watched the first three episodes so far, and I gotta admit, I'm very pleasantly surprised. I expected to not like this at all, and... I rather like it! The sets are amazing, the acting is well done, the YA tropes are not intolerable... I'll personally stick it on an 8/10, which is... unexpected!
I LOVED it. I have been wanting to read the books for the longest time and after this amazing first season I absolutely HAVE to.
I love all the characters, including the Nina storyline, the actors were so good, oh my god 😍
The pacing in the show was terrible. 😭 I feel like we needed more exploration of the world, from Fjerda and Shu to why West Ravka wanted independence. Nina and Matthias definitely NEED to be there the prequel of their plot leads into Six of Crows but it was really poorly placed 😭. I liked the magic tho I hope they use the magic in the Avatar show. Also yea the writing is so … not great BUT IM SO HYPE FOR SEASON 2 BECAUSE NIKOLAI 😭😩💚
I don’t agree that it’s terrible but yeah I agree they needed more episodes
This daniel guy is pretty entertaining and informative. I like how he is part fantasy connoisseur and part intellectual. Every video is worth my time.
Daniel next mic holder needs to be a morning star! Don't ask me why. I just felt like saying it.
IT IS AMAZING! The acting, costume and plot is just amazing!
The Six of Crows duology is one of my favorite book series, but I didn't really like The Shadow and Bone trilogy. So, I was initially sceptical of this show and how they would combine these two series.
I binged this show yesterday and overall, I am actually super happy with it. I think I might like the Shadow and bone part of the show more than the book trilogy. The characters weren't as annoying (especially Mal and Alina) and other negative aspects of the books weren't as prevelant.
Because this followed the storyline of the trilogy and the crows were just incorporated here, I wanted more of them. (But that's just because I love them so much and wanted them explored more. I am actually happy with how they connected the different series. ) The crow moments were also my favorite of the show. Having said this, I understand that this wasn't possible and the show already feels super rushed at times. I even wanted more time with charcters from Shadow and Bone, like David and Genya. I think I remember that their budget was just not big enough to make a good and appealing show with more episodes.
At times, I felt like the storylines were combined in really plot-convenient ways, which I didn't really like.
I didn't have a problem with the Nina/Matthias plotline though! Maybe that's because I love these characters already, but their storyline was necessary for future seasons. We need to know Nina's and Matthias' backstory and how they then meet the crows.
But I really liked it. I loved the performances and am definitely excites for future seasons (hopefully). It'll be cool to see Nikolai and Wylan and I'm interested in what ways they'll combine the storylines then.
I really loved the cast, and that's by far what I cared about the most. I just wanted to see all the characters I adore hang out on screen together, and I got that in spades (even though they were sometimes drowning in exposition.)You are right that Kit as Jesper is the standout, but I truly liked everyone. I'm so happy with the show over all! Had a great time, and will jump on season 2 the moment it's out.
I didn't feel like the chemistry stood out substantially. I think all the actors got really meaty characters to play around with, a lot of the tropes turned upto 11 so they can just swing for the fences. Shout out to production too, those sets and world are so good that the actors would have been locked in without any difficulty
The Nina Matthias plot line is pure fan service because in the books their history is sprinkled in and revealed slowly. Showing it all off so early probably takes away the impact of some of the future scenes but it is a choice
Hope u r well daniel
I’m not familiar with the source material and just kind of stumbled upon this show. Albert I thoroughly enjoyed it. I continue to be blown away by the production value and quality of these TV series. It makes me very hopeful for the upcoming Wheel of Time show!
I went in only knowing six of crows and not the Grisha trilogy. Is Mal's characters only there for Alina?? He felt so one dimensional. I hope that in season two, we get more into depth with him regarding story and emotion and not just "a macho man only there to save girl and nothing else."
Mal is a bit bland in the grisha trilogy, he’s very much improved upon in the show to be honest. He doesn’t have much to him in the books sadly.
He's a descendant to an amplifier that's why Alina's power are stronger when Mal is near. It's a book 3 reveal.
@@joshquests Under every reply on this video, you're just casually spoiling big things from the books. Maybe don't?
I wasn’t a fan of the books but when I read them I remember thinking that it could actually be turned into a pretty cool series’s and I wasn’t disappointed because I really, really enjoyed this show.
Thanks. You always do fair reviews. I just got your book today. Art work almost looks 3D. Won't read it to next month. Birthday and all.
One of the things I really liked about it was that the world felt so real to me-in terms that you get a real sense of the different cultures/races. As a non-reader of the series, I super got into the map and had a distinct feeling for each place. I also liked the magic system- mysterious enough and with enough logic in its use. Liked the whole conversation with Mal on how a Grisha was getting less and less valuable as technology progressed. Segue, but it makes me super curious and slightly hopeful to how Wheel of Time will be adapted for both aspects- cultures and magic system.. 🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
I wasn't sold until you pulled the "passion project" card. Now I'm interested.
calling nina and matthias "a time-filler" when (especially nina) they are one of the most important characters throughout the whole series
"This one can die and I'll feel nothing"
Man you had to hit where it hurts huh
ooof, lmao I didn't even catch the (unintentional I guess) double meaning before reading this comment so thanks for the pain
I binged the whole show today, I really enjoyed it too. Definitely looking forward to season 2.
I find the critiques of the show are going to be the same for basically all of the YA shows I've tried to watch. I thought the Irregulars had all of the same problems except I found the acting bad as well. I have tried to get into these types of shows but I must not be close enough to the target audience. My wife and I are going to try this show out but not really expecting to like it.
i agree with you totally on the part that some plots felt a little bit rushed. A few more episodes would have been great and I normally love short series but this one needed a little bit more time i think.But I loved it and i hope that there will be a second season and that that one will be even better.
👍 Great job, Goblin.
We have been absolutely blessed! The sourcematerial was transformed and improved on in a beautiful way and as you said it seemed like a passion project for everyone included in the making of the show. My hope for season two is a less cheesy portraial of some of the relationships (Nina/Matthias, Inej/Kaz), a bit more grounded. Plus I just hope they won't overdo Jespers quirkiness to the point he becomes a meme but i think we're in good hands here. Really solid show, overall very impressive! Some future plots are super fun or heartwrenching in a good way so i'm all in!
Also a quick response to your review, i was dreading it a bit because of your opinion on six of crows but you reviewed the show in a critical but thoughtful and fair way which I appreciate! x