I wonder if they hinted at Rumple having been intended as the original Savior back in season four when that writer guy wrote him a new world where he was The Savior instead of Emma because she didn't technially exist.
“You’re mothers. Quite tenacious about your offspring. Believe it or not, I understand that.” -Peter Pan talking to Emma, Regina, and Snow, Season 3 Episode 9
I know Nimue is the first dark one, but the Black Fairy is the one who created dark magic and the dark curse so I think Fiona is the first true dark one in my opinion.
I say Fionna created dark magic, however Nimue started the darkness. If that makes sense. But even then Nimue created dark magic. However, Fionna is far stronger than a dark one. Literally. That's why she practically invented it.
in my opinion Fiona was suffering from Postpartum psychosis! it's rare but it happens to some women, cause her reactions towards everyone, especially Rumple wasn't normal at all. and I like to call it tragic I mean, she starts everything just to protect her son and is doing anything but thinking clearly and wisely and causes a lot of damage, without knowing that her ultimate damage is her son, literally starting everything with trying to protect the him but turned into the reason for his misery, so tragic.
She IS the most Evil villan in the serie she can makes fiscal and psicologíc pain all the family(Emma,Belle,Henry,the charmings,Zelina and obiously her son too
we don't know for sure. she was just trying to banish all the children. regina, peter pan, dark hook & nimue, and drizella & gothel all modified it later when they cast it to suit their purposes. perhaps originally you didn't have to sacrifice the heart of someone you love most. or perhaps black would just manipulate someone else into casting it like rumple did with regina.
I think you could kind of explain it away by saying the fairies added that part before locking it away with Chernabog since it's clear Fiona never finished it and maybe they thought, in some way, that losing the heart of the thing you love most would deter someone from casting the curse
@@879SCSP you might be right. after all black did cast it later and she didn't kill anyone to cast it. Since it was her curse originally maybe she can cast the original spell not what anyone else might have added to it.
I have a cover for this hole. In the video when she’s making the curse in the fairy’s lab or whatever, she says she already has the final ingredient. Thus meaning that the heart would’ve already been added yes? And I don’t think the fairy godmother would’ve allowed the heart to be used in any instance. So my theory is that there are two dark curses. One dark curse (involving the heart) allowed the person to make a whole new realm/take them to a whole different place. While as the other dark curse would just alter the memories of the present. It’s what happened in storybrooke. The scenery didn’t change, just everyone’s memories were wiped away. When looking for the fairy wand, Snow asks Regina where it would be since she *made* storybrooke.
I love them too. I like how they portray fairies as star-themed guardian angel-like beings. I just don't like the blue fairies season 1 dress. It looks messy.
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@@soixsantes Rumple was desperate at the time, besides the fact that Baelfire was all that he had left, his time was running short. Fiona had many years before her, to find a solution and keep her son safe. While Rumple didn't really had much choice, Fiona most certainly did. She chose her power over her son's future. Rumple took the power only to protect his son, and was willing to let it go if it meant keeping his son safe. He let go of Baelfire, because of his fear, becasue of his trauma, people shouldn't forget that it is by going through a Magic Beans portal that he lost his father. He regretted his decision to let go of his son the moment he lost him. Fiona on the other hand didn't regret taking her son's power away. She kept justifying her actions by saying it was the right thing, she kidnapped her own grandson, separated her son from his wife, and hurt her great-grandson. While on the surface Fiona and Rumple may look alike, they are at heart very different.
@@SchultzDorinda yes you are right, i agree with everything you said but just to say, when baelfire died under the eyes saddened of rumple, I cried with him because it was really too sad
This was so fucked up. Like this shit really pissed me off about OUAT's morality. Good and evil were always so black and white. There was never a middle ground. It was either one extreme or the other, magic always came with a price. You could never use magic to protect the ones you love without succumbing to evil. Its just so messed up. Nimue killed and saved the land from a vicious warlord who ended so many lives and she gets punished for it by becoming the first dark one. Snow killed Cora, a woman who had no heart and threatened her family, she had no way of knowing placing her heart back inside her would fix everything? Rumple wanted to save his son, he was a kind and gentle soul, the darkness should not have been able to corrupt him. And Fiona wanted nothing more than to save her son and the lives of so many other children by stopping a prophecy the FAIRIES self actualized. Fiona was trying to save her son and then SHE becomes the great evil that's supposed to kill him? It's just beyond fucked up. If i had the power of magic, I would use it to protect the people I love, stop those who wished to do evil to others, and remain good because love seeing as the writers forgot, love is the most powerful magic, and all those who used magic I mentioned had love in their hearts. It's ridiculous.
That is kinda the western mindset when it comes to morality. It's kinda to be expected. Although I think they managed greyness of morality well with characters like Rumple and Snow and Charming. But regardless, in the story's defense, I think the ultimate reason Fiona became the Black Fairy is because she was trying to kill someone who was indeed trying to protect a child from a greater bad. While her cursing her child could have been excused as an act of love and mercy, her stealing Tiger Lily's heart was out of ill will. Yes it was motivated by her love and desperation, but it was still an act of ill will or with the specific intention of harming Tiger Lily because she was in the way. That is why it turned her "evil." Then there is the fact that her child's destiny as the savior is the good one in the grand spectrum of things. It is a cruel one but keep in mind, his destiny does not necessarily mean he would die early or live a bad life. Just that he would ultimately have to die for the sake of others. Which meant that until that moment came, Rumple had all the chance in the world to live a happy life, and Fiona took that away from him. Now, I dunno about you, but despite her intentions, I can definitely see that as "evil," especially considering that she did not stop with just cursing her child. And considering all the ripples of bad she created through her actions.
i hated this. why are the fairies always messing things up? they ruined fiona with that prophecy and then ruined Malcolm by hiding the fact that fiona was banished, they caused so much trouble but tinkerbell gets punished for almost preventing the transformation from Regina to evil queen by telling her, her true love? wtf.
In a sense Fiona is basically doing what Merryweather did in Sleeping Beauty but in this sense very dark plus by severing his fate changed it from death to sleep or maybe it was always sleep with a tlk
She probably was going to use Tiger Lilly's heart, as Pan once said that love can come from respect and loyalty, she probably felt that the most towards her because Tiger Lily was her son's fairy godmother and was helping her in her schemes.
@@iamvia9749 Yes. In the original version, there's an evil fairy who curses the prince. [SPOILER] But it's not because the prince is rude and arrogant. It's because he refuses to be her lover. So the fairy is truly evil and selfish.
here are for me the best villains of seasons season 1: regina season 2: cora season 3: peter pan and zelena season 4: rumple season 5: king arthur and hades season 7 : gothel
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I wonder if they hinted at Rumple having been intended as the original Savior back in season four when that writer guy wrote him a new world where he was The Savior instead of Emma because she didn't technially exist.
So Henry descends from a Fairy, a dark one, and a savior.
exactly
it's a family of heroes and of villains
and it's a great but strange family who very often want to kill themselves
Yes. Kinda mixed, right? Just like Mal from "Descendants" who is descended of Maleficent (a fairy, a dragon) and hades (a god).
Two saviors actually.
“You’re mothers. Quite tenacious about your offspring. Believe it or not, I understand that.”
-Peter Pan talking to Emma, Regina, and Snow, Season 3 Episode 9
That moment when Rumple finds out that he was the Saviour... I felt the same as he looked at that moment.
yes, he was destined to become a great hero, but he is became the lord of darkness
but However, he has been a hero when he has killed peter pan
At the final end he became the savior after all
I was so shooked. This will always be my favorite season.
I know Nimue is the first dark one, but the Black Fairy is the one who created dark magic and the dark curse so I think Fiona is the first true dark one in my opinion.
you are right
She is the og of dark magic I agree
but didn't nimue live a long time before rumplestiltskin was born?
Well they did say that she lives in the realm that nothing make sense.
I say Fionna created dark magic, however Nimue started the darkness. If that makes sense. But even then Nimue created dark magic. However, Fionna is far stronger than a dark one. Literally. That's why she practically invented it.
You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain!
rumple is died twice as a hero by killing a villain, it was as beautiful than moving
and rumple has finally become what he was destined to become at his birth "the savior"
in my opinion Fiona was suffering from Postpartum psychosis! it's rare but it happens to some women, cause her reactions towards everyone, especially Rumple wasn't normal at all. and I like to call it tragic I mean, she starts everything just to protect her son and is doing anything but thinking clearly and wisely and causes a lot of damage, without knowing that her ultimate damage is her son, literally starting everything with trying to protect the him but turned into the reason for his misery, so tragic.
You and your son are destined to destroy each other... Wow...
Amazing acting from Robert Carlyle... My favorite character on this show.
I feel bad for fiona she tried to say her son and it turned her evil
I want Jaime Murray (Black Fairy) to play Morgana from "Winx Club" if the character appears on "Fate: The Winx Saga".
Yes
She IS the most Evil villan in the serie she can makes fiscal and psicologíc pain all the family(Emma,Belle,Henry,the charmings,Zelina and obiously her son too
I agree, she is one of my villains favorite
The future isn't always set in stone it can change
Plothole = having to sacrifice the heart of the one she loves most to enact the curse.
Which in this case would be the son she's trying to save
we don't know for sure. she was just trying to banish all the children. regina, peter pan, dark hook & nimue, and drizella & gothel all modified it later when they cast it to suit their purposes. perhaps originally you didn't have to sacrifice the heart of someone you love most. or perhaps black would just manipulate someone else into casting it like rumple did with regina.
I think you could kind of explain it away by saying the fairies added that part before locking it away with Chernabog since it's clear Fiona never finished it and maybe they thought, in some way, that losing the heart of the thing you love most would deter someone from casting the curse
@@879SCSP you might be right. after all black did cast it later and she didn't kill anyone to cast it. Since it was her curse originally maybe she can cast the original spell not what anyone else might have added to it.
I have a cover for this hole. In the video when she’s making the curse in the fairy’s lab or whatever, she says she already has the final ingredient. Thus meaning that the heart would’ve already been added yes? And I don’t think the fairy godmother would’ve allowed the heart to be used in any instance. So my theory is that there are two dark curses. One dark curse (involving the heart) allowed the person to make a whole new realm/take them to a whole different place. While as the other dark curse would just alter the memories of the present. It’s what happened in storybrooke. The scenery didn’t change, just everyone’s memories were wiped away.
When looking for the fairy wand, Snow asks Regina where it would be since she *made* storybrooke.
maybe the one she loves most is herself could she live without a heart since she evil
Peter Pan...was with a Fairy? To make...a coward...who would be tricked into becoming The Dark One...?
Magic comes with a price
to be fair, Rumple was left alone to be raised by spinsters. And they didn't seem like the bravest or smartest of people
Both of these fairies are just as much as my favorite as the Blue Fairy.
I love them too. I like how they portray fairies as star-themed guardian angel-like beings.
I just don't like the blue fairies season 1 dress. It looks messy.
When I saw the title I deadass said, "Aye yo, Fiona, where's Shrek?"
Same
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so they become evil protecting their son like mother like son
true, rumple will want to become the dark one for protect his son baelfire
@@soixsantes Rumple was desperate at the time, besides the fact that Baelfire was all that he had left, his time was running short.
Fiona had many years before her, to find a solution and keep her son safe.
While Rumple didn't really had much choice, Fiona most certainly did. She chose her power over her son's future.
Rumple took the power only to protect his son, and was willing to let it go if it meant keeping his son safe. He let go of Baelfire, because of his fear, becasue of his trauma, people shouldn't forget that it is by going through a Magic Beans portal that he lost his father. He regretted his decision to let go of his son the moment he lost him.
Fiona on the other hand didn't regret taking her son's power away. She kept justifying her actions by saying it was the right thing, she kidnapped her own grandson, separated her son from his wife, and hurt her great-grandson.
While on the surface Fiona and Rumple may look alike, they are at heart very different.
@@SchultzDorinda yes you are right, i agree with everything you said
but just to say, when baelfire died under the eyes saddened of rumple, I cried with him because it was really too sad
@@SchultzDorinda and is that you have loved the relation between baelfire (neal) and emma ?
@@soixsantes yes Emma and Neal were perfect together I think.
What about Emma and Hook? How do you feel about their relationship?
This was so fucked up. Like this shit really pissed me off about OUAT's morality. Good and evil were always so black and white. There was never a middle ground. It was either one extreme or the other, magic always came with a price. You could never use magic to protect the ones you love without succumbing to evil. Its just so messed up. Nimue killed and saved the land from a vicious warlord who ended so many lives and she gets punished for it by becoming the first dark one. Snow killed Cora, a woman who had no heart and threatened her family, she had no way of knowing placing her heart back inside her would fix everything? Rumple wanted to save his son, he was a kind and gentle soul, the darkness should not have been able to corrupt him. And Fiona wanted nothing more than to save her son and the lives of so many other children by stopping a prophecy the FAIRIES self actualized. Fiona was trying to save her son and then SHE becomes the great evil that's supposed to kill him? It's just beyond fucked up. If i had the power of magic, I would use it to protect the people I love, stop those who wished to do evil to others, and remain good because love seeing as the writers forgot, love is the most powerful magic, and all those who used magic I mentioned had love in their hearts. It's ridiculous.
I agree with everything you said, you are right
No offense, but im pretty positive they say Snow’s heart darkened from lying to Emma and the others.
@@sodorstrucksandwars You tell about what snow and charming have do at maleficent in the season 4 ?
@@sodorstrucksandwars if you want my opinion, 28 years of curse has been very good punishment for snow and charming
That is kinda the western mindset when it comes to morality. It's kinda to be expected. Although I think they managed greyness of morality well with characters like Rumple and Snow and Charming.
But regardless, in the story's defense, I think the ultimate reason Fiona became the Black Fairy is because she was trying to kill someone who was indeed trying to protect a child from a greater bad. While her cursing her child could have been excused as an act of love and mercy, her stealing Tiger Lily's heart was out of ill will. Yes it was motivated by her love and desperation, but it was still an act of ill will or with the specific intention of harming Tiger Lily because she was in the way. That is why it turned her "evil."
Then there is the fact that her child's destiny as the savior is the good one in the grand spectrum of things. It is a cruel one but keep in mind, his destiny does not necessarily mean he would die early or live a bad life. Just that he would ultimately have to die for the sake of others. Which meant that until that moment came, Rumple had all the chance in the world to live a happy life, and Fiona took that away from him. Now, I dunno about you, but despite her intentions, I can definitely see that as "evil," especially considering that she did not stop with just cursing her child. And considering all the ripples of bad she created through her actions.
Evil isn’t born, is made
Evil is made not born figures that The Black Fairy is Gold’s Mother
What is the name of the song that Fiona sings for rumple?
i hated this. why are the fairies always messing things up? they ruined fiona with that prophecy and then ruined Malcolm by hiding the fact that fiona was banished, they caused so much trouble but tinkerbell gets punished for almost preventing the transformation from Regina to evil queen by telling her, her true love? wtf.
In a sense Fiona is basically doing what Merryweather did in Sleeping Beauty but in this sense very dark plus by severing his fate changed it from death to sleep or maybe it was always sleep with a tlk
1:25 oh ! But memory manipulation should exist ? Just like... Dammit, there's another light spell that disgusts me but I can't remember its name.
How exactly fiona will make the dark curse work? She need to sacrifice the heart she loved most
apparently the Black Fairy Dust can replace that ingredient
@@LartsAster but she will casting the curse without being black
She probably was going to use Tiger Lilly's heart, as Pan once said that love can come from respect and loyalty, she probably felt that the most towards her because Tiger Lily was her son's fairy godmother and was helping her in her schemes.
Is that Gideon ?
No. The baby is Rumple. Fiona's his mom.
Just realised that's Elijah's ex girlfriend lmao !! Why am i this late ?? Lol
2:28 Why rip out tigger lily’s heart make her evil?
She was going to kill her, and ripping a heart out is by doing evil magic.
Taking someone's heart out is technically dark magic, since when you do that you enchant the heart so you can either control or kill someone.
Dove trovo questa scena nella serie? Che episodio?
hey who actress who plays tiger lily?
the actress is called "Sara Tomko"
So how old is rumple I keep thinking about that
rumple is old 200 years
what tale is Fiona in ?
Good question. I think she is just a made up character on Once Upon A Time. She could be Fiona from Shrek but I"m not sure
@@184rama Was there even an evil fairy from Beauty and the beast? I think Fiona is just a made up character.
@@iamvia9749 Yes. In the original version, there's an evil fairy who curses the prince. [SPOILER] But it's not because the prince is rude and arrogant. It's because he refuses to be her lover. So the fairy is truly evil and selfish.
@@rockerdude8289 Oh.. okey, thanks I didn't know that.
The Black Fairy in the animation movie was actually Maleficent from Sleeping Beauty!!
Oh, Fiona used to really grind my gears. She was worst of all the villains in the series.
exactly, for me she is the best villain of the season 6
here are for me the best villains of seasons
season 1: regina
season 2: cora
season 3: peter pan and zelena
season 4: rumple
season 5: king arthur and hades
season 7 : gothel
I did not know a savior looks like me to
Rumpled family was SHTTTT!! they didn't give him A CHANCE!!!
true, his parents are of monsters
and when rumple killed them, he is became a hero
Man for real😭😭 and poor Baelfire was just collateral damage caught in the middle😩... he never had a fair chance either.
@@soixsantes His parents were horrible and so was Mila. Bae was a dick at times too.
@@LeVonngaKiara you are right, but baelfire was what than rumple loved the most in his life