Diddy Publishing Rights to Bad Boy Artists, Notorious B.I.G., Mase and MORE | "He Didn't Have To!"
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Joe had his Diddy cape on extra tight for this one. If this was anybody else doing this Joe would call it a "crock of shit" 😂
Cap
Diddy killed BIG
@@TupacAurelius Suge did. Diddy could’ve made more with Biggie alive
This is what Vince meant when he said Joe enjoys lying to himself.
"Giving back" publishing to artist nobody is streaming really doesn't mean much unless he's also giving them the back dated money they're owed from back then. He's also making them sign an NDA in order for them to get it back which means they can never make money of speaking about their experience during that time in bad boy. He's still bogus.
yup
I don’t think he 100% owned it which means he negotiated with the label(probably with a lawyer he paid for), I’m not sure why they’re crying- either sell your publishing or just let it go
They aren’t owed backdated money for something they never owned. Diddy purchased it from each artist and was under no legal obligation to give it back.
@@Polostar79For certain artists, for instance, Notorious had owned his master's before he passed but Diddy own 85% of his publishing and some shitty 60/40 deal on royalties etc etc.
But Diddy was smart giving Notorious his masters.
Anyways, accumulated over time the money adds up, especially the money off publishing. That's why he created the "foundation" for notorious just to keep 30 some percent himself...
@@andrewswing9917 Big sold Diddy his publishing for $20K when got signed. It wasn’t taken from him. That’s why Big didn’t want Diddy knowing he ghost wrote for Kim and Lil Cease. Diddy deciding to give it back doesn’t mean the artists are owed money retroactively.
Aubrey O’day broke it down in her own way he ain’t give them back shit Sony is paying them back scraps and they can’t speak on nothing negative they experienced publicly. She also brung up a good point why is making the band not streaming? it was one of the biggest shows on mtv at that time smh.
I was hoping the team would address this without any bias but this definitely didn’t happen. Alot of muted tongue action. Of course Diddy could have simply held on to the rights, but the real reason he contractually offered to return the publishing is for NDA purposes. The NDA prohibits the artist from speaking about their experiences with Diddy. Many of his former band artists have spoken about wanting to film a documentary about their time together and with Diddy, why would they trade that financial opportunity for $400. And beyond “it’s a business, you signed it, you should be grateful, he didn’t have to” the bigger position of the artist is if it’s return once the values been taken what’s the point.
There's no real threat of a documentary being filmed bc all them niggas BROKE. No one cares about the same old story about artists crying about the bad loans they took.... for some reason, only in hiphop ppl act like it's bad to do business that benefits your own best interests
I’m curious as to what they could’ve said that we don’t know. I feel like most ppl who know Diddy knows he’s a paper gangsta and has alleged history of screwing his artists.
Doesn’t matter. Now that you own the publishing you can hustle and generate income. Convince someone to use it in a commercial, a movie, tv series, get new artists to sample you. It’s up to you now….
Think this makes sense
He had $300 million offers for the MASTERS & the WHOLE BAD BOY CATALOG not just the publishing. Diddy STILL OWNS the masters. He milked the publishing for every dollar already lol this is for publicity & to spin it exactly the way this podcast did😂
Masters revert after 30 years
@@scuppofor bad boy artist it was 25 years….I believe that time is about up anyway
@@scuppo its 35 years.
word. streaming turned it into a ponzi they arent making the money they use to just like the movies. JOE IS A BIRD
The masters always belong to the label. They’re invested the money into creating the music. It’s an act of generosity if they give it back early but after 35 years it goes back to the artist anyway.
Aubrey O'Day broke it down the best. I know Joe be caping for Diddy why didnt you’ll mention that they have to sign a NDA first! She is bitter but she telling the truth.
Apparently that clause was only given up Certain artists
@@mitchy2311majority
Diddy gives the publishing back when some of these artists' lives are already halfway over and out of their prime, lol
Do you not understand how publishing works and the rock artist not touring eating just off hip hop samples? It means a lot for them
People just love to hate Diddy. Man does a good gesture and people still complain. Funny how nobody ain’t taking Suge or Baby or J Prince to task over not giving their artists back their publishing.
@@Polostar79because it's not a good gesture. He sold all of the great songs. Sony is going to pay them scraps off of what's left over. You have to stream a song a million times to make pennies, and if someone goes back and streams a 30 yr old song, they're not streaming it a million times. That mess was just for show.
Did jokes die after the 90’s the same era that R&B died too? Is that why people are so uptight because most people aren’t getting laid because most of that stopped when that mood music died lol Lighten up. Usually, people do things that are mutually beneficial. It’s very rare that a person does something that is 100% for someone else, 100% from a person’s heart, or the “right thing”. Diddy mentioned it was partly a business decision. And then he went on to say he was doing what God told him to do, and that he wanted to lead by example!
Focus on the “he didn’t have to do that” statement. Diddy first said it was a business decision. It would make sense to give artists bad their publishing, which happened months ago, not recently so why is he choosing to mention it now could it be because he lost the liquor and cannabis company deal/contract because of his bad reputation, because there’s barely any money in publishing in this day and age. So, the statement “he didn’t have to do that” doesn’t mean diddly squat because it’s something that makes sense for him to do from a business stand point. But he looks like a hero. Diddy is a smart business man. But to say he “did the right thing” there is truth between those words. He did the right thing for himself, as a business man. If he really cared about the artist and was close to God, he would hype his artists up so they can get attention, publicity because it would help the artists when it comes to streaming, even if it doesn’t make sense for him to do it as a business man at this current time, because times change and not every artist would be popular in modern times, but it would be selfless, and it would help. For example, when Stranger Things decided to include Running up That Hill by Kate Bush, and when Taylor Dayne was featured in commercials that revived their careers and they were able to make money.
If you do your research, a former artist that used to be in a group under Bad Boy, talked about the publishing offer, that the artist obviously didn’t take because of the contents in the offer (because if the artist accepted the offer, the artist wouldn’t be allowed to say what was said in the interview). So, Diddy sold the catalogue, a Sony purchased it, the artists only get what’s owed from the time of sale and after. In order to get that, in the deal it said that the artist had to release him for any claims, or wrong doings, or actions, prior to the date of the release, sign an NDA to never disparage Puff, Bad Boy, Janice Combs or Justin Combs music or any EMI or Sony in ever in public. There are many bad boy artists speaking out about it. All of that is important for his reputation and because it’s so negative, he has to do a lot of marketing.
So, all of this happened after Diddy made millions and the publishing isn’t useful to him anymore. When it comes to publishing and streaming rights, you have to stream the songs millions of times to try to make a penny. Some of these artists won’t see anything from their publishing, some will only see under a grand for their publishing. You won’t see much unless a streaming farm is set up. Artists, the ones that are still popular make majority of their money from touring, sponsors, side deals such as apparel etc etc.
By the way, y'all are defending a guy that took out a PPP loan during covid (which were meant for small businesses but only the mega rich received) in the amount of $1,929,252. The loan program cost U.S tax payers over $950 billion dollars!
No one offered him $300,000,000. That’s a lie. If so he would have sold it. He held it this long, because he used it as collateral for other business endeavours.
Basically Diddy spat in they face then wiped it off. Real stand up guy🤣
Aubrey just released the requirements... they only get the streaming money (~$800) and can't ever talk about anything or anyone ever again.
Diddy shady af for how he does people.
After he juiced it for most of what it was worth
Yo, diddy didnt put a gun to these grown men's head to sign the deal. They signed maybe out of desperation and now want to blame Diddy. I just dont get it
@@lawrenceebere4354 I never said he did, but that still doesn’t change the fact that the publishing isn’t worth much at all 😂 the point still remains bro
There’s no such thing as juicing it for all its worth. Publishing is forever money. Biggie, Mase, Faith, 112, all those songs from the Bad Boy heyday still get played to this day. Those artists will reap the rewards in perpetuity.
most rappers pretend being street smart but get 100% robbed by the first contract that they signed. There is something that is difficult to overcome in this life: undereducation.
It’s a marketing ploy
What marketing ploy? Do ya'll understand business as the label head he makes his money back from publishing and masters. The fact that he even gave back the artists 100 percent of their publishing is commendable cause most label heads don't.
@@sadiki1980he has a new album coming out
That's a dope marketing ploy...
Nobody is streaming the artist and most of them are dead
@@simoneb208how do you know no one is streaming those artists?
I’m sorry but diddy made all the money off his artists publishing that giving them back isnt altruism it’s cuz he’s made all the money he can off of his former artists publishing. A publishing deal value is highest when the artist has a relevant catalog, has significant popularity, and mainstream appeal. The time when his artist could have benefited the most from the money those deals made has passed cuz all the money went to him. Cuz if he was still making millions off of it he’d never give them back.
@@distantnative2478 uhh what about doesn’t it, it doesn’t matter if you own your publishing however if no is paying to use your music in commercials or movies then u don’t get paid. And most of money he made from his artists publishing were artists he had before streaming so most won’t we’re never being paid for any money made on streams. In addition to that money gets split it never goes all to the artist even if they own either masters or publishing, the writers get a cut the producer the sound engineers everyone get a piece. He also had a bad habit of giving himself credit on albums to ensure a larger cut. IT’s predatory business practices. It’s why his label has no artists
@@distantnative2478 sorry then that you lack basic comprehension of the English language. Clearly not a discussion you should be entering if any of what was said flies over your head. Good luck
@@distantnative2478actually my boys he’s right your wrong and you need to deff get a better understanding of words if you didn’t understand what he said or meant. 😂😂😂
You can't expect these people to answer anything honestly when asked about Puffy or Jay z. Joe only saves that for Eminem lol and if he actually had a deal for 300 million where'd it go now that the artist got the publishing? What they only was gonna give i to Diddy...Hey maybe he'll give Mark Curry the imaginary people who wanted to buy it phone number 🤣
Mfs know that Diddy is wrong for giving it to them now since nobody is listening to there music anymore
112, Lox, Lil Kim, Mase and a few others are somewhat still relevant. It’s up to them to make deals now to make the money. “Business is Business”
@@RedWolfOrlando these kids are killing it now what business? Sell more of what's left of their soul? That's why they're not fussing about it. But we know diddy did them wrong
@@distantnative2478 I know the industry is evil so go ahead with the rest. Business is Business right? Your probably jerking people as we speak or you're a super Diddy fan who doesn't gaf
Using your logic he could’ve given it back 15 years ago since no one was listening to their music then. That ain’t how publishing works. When you own it you make money from it forever. Commercials, movies, video games, you eat off all that if they use your songs.
@@Polostar79 logic nothing....... IT'S THEIRS POINT BLANK PERIOD! Yall just love the shady business just let it tf go. Him and his kids ate off of biggie and Craig deaths right? That's all tf yall care about
I love how Melyssa uses SAT words so effortlessly in her speech. Altruistic lol, I gotta use that.
You didn't just post this comment 💀
You sound like Stephen A, altruistic isn't a big word.
@@jasonspades7775it is a big word for niggas.
@@jasonspades7775 you know what’s funny? I doubt you use that word in your every day speech. You aren’t even grammatically correct, yet you’re trying to be funny. You were supposed to use a semicolon instead of a comma between “Stephen A” and “altruistic”. 🫠
Puffy admitted it was the right thing to do and pretty much said it was about money in the past and he’s trying to be a part of the change he wants to see in the industry. The artists have the choice to accept and do their best with it or decline.
I knew I shouldn’t have watched this clip but the definition of insanity smh
Diddy giving back artists their publishing in the early 2020s compared to the early 2000s is like someone giving back your girlfriend/boyfriend after smashing for 20+ years straight until he or she ran out of milk. Hopefully the publishing is worth something now if not in the future for the sake of the kids involved.
Loon the only person who was smart enough to negotiate a deal where he owned all his publishing! You get what you negotiate! 👌👌
I would love to get a look at the paperwork to see if their are any stipulations or restrictions like "you get your publishing provided you don't appear in or consult on any documentaries slandering diddy"
@@hhhy9160 No there's nothing. That deal was done in 2003 and the reason he was able to negotiate that deal was because he already did I need a girl part 1 and 2 and a few heavy features without being signed and he was popping so he had leverage to negotiate it. He broke it down in an interview.
That lawyer we thought was our lawyer was puff lawyer😅😅😅😅😅
I heard Gillie gave Birdman 2 cheese steaks to get his publishing back
Everybody didn’t get it back either , day 21 didn’t get theirs back 😅 .. & he making the ppl sign nda paperwork in order to get it
Why not Day 21?
26. I think it's Day 26 😅
@@Jonesybabie it definitely is 🤦🏾♀️
I mean… it makes sense… considering Day 21 never existed 😂… nah… I know what you mean tho
@@Jonesybabie whatever they called lol
“Depends” - Parks
Just talking. Lmao.
There is always a catch with Diddy. He probably will take them shopping weekly now. 😂
I love when I see this comment-----50 cent is a wild man!!!
What about the NDA’s they have to sign in order to get their publishing. The fact he wants them to never speak I’ll of him or the label is telling. In the age of streaming your music has to be streamed so many times to get any worthwhile $$$. Shout out Diddy though smh
Joe killing us with those shorts
So is he’s giving back just publishing or masters as well. These are 2 different things! Publishing deals with who wrote the the song and them getting paid from streaming and all that. Masters is who own that recording and is able to give the rights for it to be used and reproduced for things like tv, sampled songs, movies, commercials etc
Joe Budden has integrity when he chooses.
This is the music business. Its not just puff. Thats how the company makes its money. The artist can tour forever to make money. Its not right but thats what happens. He is no different from most of these executives
So they said it’s worth 300$ a year then turn around and say he got offered 300mil just don’t make sense 🤷🏾♂️
Can’t remember who said it “most artists publishing ain’t worth shit”. Song ATV have over 7 million songs in their publishing catalog there’s a reason, they sell packages containing 1000’s of songs. If your not in than 1% of artists MJ, Prince, Nelly even in terms of sales, your publishing as one artist ain’t worth shit especially is it’s only 30%.
Mark Curry publishing may be worth $300 a year.. I only remember him from one song
No disrespect to Curry, but I was like “When was Mr. Cooper working for Bad Boy?” I never heard this other Mark Curry.
@@GoodFilms28 🤣🤣🤣
@@GoodFilms28me too , I thought the same thing . I was mark is Comedian not an artist
Explain how u make money from publishing vs masters
@@distantnative2478 appreciate cha bro..... Explains how the record industry gets over on young, hungry, artist by the sheer complexity of these multiple avenues of monetary streams all the while the artist has not a fn clue What even the 1st line in their contact means ... They (as most of us would do)only look for the the commas, digits, n What's cmn thr way right then n thr, aka "Instant Gratification", along w being young is how they pin u into a corner u dnt even see cmn..
And for those who say he “milked the publishing already” that makes no sense. He made money off his investment that’s exactly what he was supposed to do. The artist he gives their publishing to especially the ones with hits should follow suit and can still make money off of those hits if they proactively work/hire someone to work to get those songs placed or even rereleased. Songs don’t necessarily have a shelf life even if the artist do.
Melyssa legs glistening
Tell Diddy to scrap the NDAs and give back the Masters. He has more than enough money.
What y’all need to do is get Aubrey on the show and talk about it !!!
Right!
They trying to get Puff on the show. How can somebody own something you created? If i write a song, I own it. It should be illegal for these companies to own what these artists create.
Ish rocking the vejas 💪👟
Was surprised, but not at all surprised that joe, Mr ‘Artist’s Rights’ himself, pussied out of in this discussion. What diddy is doing is straight trash especially as he going around acting like he’s Mr almighty 🤦🏿
Stop the overtone of "They took advantage of me ".... We all have the options of getting a lawyer to review the matters at hand.....
It died on the vine
Signing a contract that you don't understand isn't a fair deal, period. Entertainment business, the business as it is called seems to be a bad business. Most op in for the fame and forget about the money and the business of entertainment. If you doing bad business from a position of Power, you will reap all the benefits of the contract and that is the business.
I love how these guys don’t know how their industry works. As long as the moneys right they don’t give a shit but if the moneys that good on a shit deal…. You can only imagine
Melz legs doe, they are the best part of Joes videos...
Puff ain’t have know deal on the table for publishing for 300 MILLION.The reason being if he did they could just put the publishing together and sell it and split the 300 million.
You know who’s on diddys side when they say “he didn’t have to give it back”! Why not give it back 10 years ago? Cuz he wanted to 🥛 the money from it til it was worthless. You kept it forever to make millions but wouldn’t sell it back but suddenly you’ll give it away for free when your sole purpose of keeping it was to make money??? Makes sense or obviously some finessing shady bs going on like always with Diddy!
After 30 years he has to give it back lol. No executive is doing an artist a favour by following the damn law. How are these people even commentators on the music business? He HAD to give it to the writers.
Y’all not talking about the details of the agreement, they can’t talk about him ever again.
They could get Wendy’s with that publish it ain’t worth nothing !
That's major fo him doing that,that's every labels grease and Diddy just tryna clear his conscious
I mean he gave it back but, he gave it back when it doesn't make as much. It's good to have now but he made the cake off it already
BAD BOYS FOR LIFE is Marc Curry period
Joe got Zesty with Diddy as well because you know that contract said, "Keep Your Damn Mouth Shut" and I will give you back your publishing. There are just too many things transpiring now Keefe D just so happened to get arrested after all these years and you know Zesty King got the heads up before time. He has to keep people from talking. What better way than to give them back what should have been theirs from the beginning? Joe you're a puppet and it doesn't matter how much money you have because you have no core/soul you're just hollow.
Melyssa Ford is beautiful and intelligent. She is asking the right questions
Puffy is doing this because the Tupac murder just got re opened because of Keffe D talking about them killing TUpac. Diddy does not want his old artists to talk about it
This business not charity, 99% of artists don’t own they masters and publishing yet only black ceos gets hate for owning a product they invested in, like bro everybody is not jay-z an artist is an artist and a ceo is a ceo.
Wasn’t the contract up in 2 years? Mase is 48 and his publishing contract ends when he turns 50 Soooooooooooooo
They clowns… easy to speak on something that you not going through.
Mase tried to buy his publishing but Diddy SOLD the rights to some of his catalogue. So he technically couldnt sell it back to Mase because he didnt have the rights himself. Thats the shady end of Diddy he would do deals with other publishers and take advances for Millions and not chip off the artist, because he owned the PUBLISHING lol brilliant but shady..
If he could've sold the publishing for 300 mil wouldn't it have been a better gesture to sale it and divide the money amongst his former artists?
The only problem with that could be deciding the value of each person’s catalogue, I doubt it’s the same. That would cause another argument.
Crazy how money change a nigga. 5 years ago Joe would have a whole different take.
300 mil!? He should have took that gave them then money
y'all forgetting Ye started this movement
Ye never gets the credit he deserves 😤 shouts to Mr. West
Michael Jackson, Prince… but yeah
Now that y'all have the publishing back what are you going to do with it 4:38
Also they fell to forget you have to sign a discloused agreement of not to speak bad about how puffy treated them or speal on bad boy the label. Everyone dies around puffy
Why they trying justify diddy bad business deals smh 🤦🏾♂️
If u sign it its you’re problem. People love rooting for the losers cause they sympathize with em. What Joe used to say, “Go flip a brick”.
It was about to revert back to them anyway.
They SUPER bias on this one Diddy has and always been a devil . giving somebody worthless publishing isn’t a good jesters at all
aint no way yall commending him for giving back stolen goods that lost most of their valuable
Well what we not gon do is act like mark curry was dropping hit after hit his publishing probably is only 300$ 😂
when joe was a rapper puff wouldnt speak to him
Diddy gives pub rights back after 20+ yrs of getting rich...that cow has already been milked so its nothing but an insult gift wrapped w a big bow. The Lox, 112, and everyone else who worked under BadBoy arent in their prime, popular, or making music. Young ppl never even heard of 112, Total, or Mase!!! This is another example of Diddy tryna play it like he's giving them something....he's handing them blank checks to a bank acct that has no $ in it.
Aren't they getting their Masters soon anyway?
They know these artists are taken advantage of and they acting like its all good. Kelis wrote a lot of her stuff, but Pharrell owns it. Thats BS. Why do people respect Pharrell and Puff and others for taking credit for what they didn’t create.
Niggaz want a diddy interview 😅
They. Signed. That. Shit...shhh
Just say you liked the song Melyssa and she skated around the Sam Smith and Lil Nas X
A lot of people in these comments don’t understand what an asset is and it’s very telling. Publishing is an asset, something that earns passive income. Owning it means you will eat off of it FOREVER. Diddy giving it back (not selling it but giving it back) is something that should be applauded since he really didn’t have to do it.
Lol now we know why he was doing this. He was trying to get ahead of all the Cassie shit having EVERYONE sign NDAs. Acting like he was doing it to be nice😂
mark wrote bad boys for life he is saying they dont get the same $
But the thing is he doesn’t have to tell me what other labels just give you your publishing back 🤔 people wanna paint puff as this villain
Interesting. This is nothing more than a publicity stunt. He just received the key to NYC, MTV's Global Icon Award and he's about to spring new music on us. Anyhow, he curiously waited until the streaming era to give his artists they publishing. Gon wait until music is basically free and don't nobody care no more. I've gone on record several times over the years stating that "anything you give away for free will come back around and fuck you up." Furthermore, what if the artist(s) didn't write they music in the first place? Eh, I don't know. I hope it all works out for those artists. Shoot, we all saw Black Rob's condition before he passed. He couldn't get one red cent, much less his publishing. The Lox shouldn't have to be in & out of court fighting over music rights at nearly 50 years old. They should be living worry-free w/ they hair down someplace in the Bahamas.
Diddy did the greatest act of brotherly love
Joe has pump it up...what song does the people today know about Mark Curry? Thats why he doesn't want it cuz its not worth anything
I think its bigger than $$ tho for the artists. to exist in the world when the fame stop shining and the money slows up .. then also realize you got played is not an easy fleet. to have been hindered of what cld have been with ALL the money they made .. regardless of the future goes beyond $$ .. thts ripping someones soul. mase will never forgive him and i guess thts why people hate Diddy now ... tht soul burn of crossing ppl ... tht rage .. will come to bite you later bc it will find you; the tables do always turn.
Did he really do a good deed next year it automatically goes back to them next year
No matter what your age is.
Ice got his teeth done?
Name me a few hit mark curry hits ??? Why he think puffy need to give him more
I'm noticing thr trend of ice especially being a Joe "yes man". They always make Melyssa look like she's talking rubbish... what a horrid place to work
Nobody is using that old as music as a intro to a new show. Stop the bullshit lol
I don't really be listening this Joe Budden podcast because he don't be knowing the facts. Just be blasting people. But about the so call publishing thing.....Aubrey and Mark Curry explained it and broke it down clearly and I appreciate that. Now I know that Diddy's been a sham and a con to fool his bad boy artists that they are getting their publishing means a lot now. Really Diddy??
They d-riding Diddy baddddddd. That man suck them dry and now it’s chump change cause mfers not streaming that music no more. It’s crazy he only doing it for a bigger grand plan
These guys really don’t know what they are talking about.
Y’all act like it’s such a great deed. Puff already got all the money out of it, that’s why he’s usin this as a “good gesture” it’s not worth anything to him he already leeched all the profit out of these artists works while it was making him money. No loner making him money so he gives it away