4:35 in the past ten years and probably because of youtube i see a lot of lifters doing this odd thing at lock out where they forcefully snap into almost hyperextension at the top of the lift. i dont see old school lifters doing it this way. the way Dr. McGill describes as this very controlled, gradual lock out makes so much more sense to me.
in the squat or the deadlift? I have a feeling a lot of them picked up the bad habit you describe from "speed work". They throw their hips into a massive lockout and overshoot them because the weight is so light and they have moved it fast. Moving a weight super fast and then slowing it down at the very end would be very awkward. Of Course, speed work has become quite controversial in the world of raw powerlifting.
I stumbled across this channel looking for a fix I recently hurt my my deadlifting I have a bulging disc from playing rugby so I try to avoid flexion totally forgot about Dr McGill thanks for the video
When I’ve reflected on my own biology, I independently decided I had built stiffness in certain areas that benefit my weightlifting while losing flexibility in the same exact way he just described. Good to know the full truth of that line of thinking 👌🏽
Had a similar conversation with my physio supervisor today on placement regarding biomechanics of lifting and benefits of optimal pelvic tilt for avoiding injuries and generating best length/tension relationships. This message becomes muddied I feel when several prospective crossover studies conclude that lower back poster isn’t associated with back pain. However, these studies don’t observe these postures under load, conversely they either consider static or typical weight bearing function in these postures
The issue with "anti-postural" people is like what you said, what happens when you move around with spinal flexion under load. Moving around and picking up light things or tying your shoes with some spinal flexion is okay, but if that repeatedly becomes a habit that transfers to the gym, then there's a clear problem. Sitting around in spinal flexion isn't gonna throw your back out compared to rounding a 3 plate deadlift, but again, it's the habits that leak into movements when people go out and start training with load. So the moral of the story is, the better your alignment you have when you work out, then better it will be for most of the day when you're not working out, and vice versa.
@@AnNguyen-pt5ry The problem is that in a majority of patients with low back pain, they actually have been told time and time again that they back need to be braced and stiff. That they need to contract their core and not bend with their back. Spinal flexion isn't inherently good or bad, so avoiding it when doing things that picking stuff off the ground is nonsensical. I agree, when you're pushing big weight, maybe spinal flexion under load isn't great but that's not to say spinal flexion is a "bad habit" that will prevent you from lifting big loads. Like everything in life, it is complex and nuanced
cuntfacedkilla803 moving in and out of spinal flexion is fine, Living and doing everything with flexion is not. Also, yea, I agree, being told to brace outside the gym is highly inappropriate. Too much muscular effort and actually can cause even more back pain if bracing to death.
@@SquatUniversity I'm a 2nd year chiropractic student and we learn a lot about McGill. I throughly enjoy your content as it relates to what we do and strength training. Keep up the evidence based content!!
After war grandfather lifted the cement and grain backs and did not suffer the back pains. He vas tall but skinny guy. The technique is so important thing. U may look skinny but u still may have huge strenght because of right mobility and technique.
how about putting a gymnast or a yoga practitioner who has great adaptation of the spine, to Deadlift/squat huge loads? Would the mobility work to their disadvantage?
Does spina bifida occulta have any affect on butt wink? I have butt wing during my deadlift and now matter how hard Itry to straighten back can't get it perfectly flat
So if the goal is to keep the spine as straight as possible during a squat (for normal people), then maybe the deepest possible squat is not the best idea?
@@kamilo4989 his books are more advanced, that's why he did not explain the length-tension curve, he assumed that if you read his books you would know the concept
I commented on his video it would be interesting to see MRI of his spine after squating every day for years, he said his spine is probably better than sedentary person. I doubt that😄
James Huntington oh, I know. I was just commenting on the fact that the adaptations for one seem to contradict the other, so golfers who want to avoid the disc injuries he mentions should probably steer clear of heavy squatting or deadlifting.
I love what he just said at the end. Our job is to out ourselves out of business! What a great way to think. So unselfish!
This great mans book fixed my spine, now happily squatting 500lbs. Big three is now my daily morning routine ;)
are you referring to back mechanic ?
Hassan Javeed yes great book
Don't sell yourself short. He gave you the tools but you put in the work. Hope all is still going well as I have started the big 3 as well.
@Martynas Sliazas: What kind of injury did you have?
Doesn't it say in the book not to squat/deadlift in the morning because the spine is decompressed? lol
Brilliant man, I want to see more of him.
very good video, hope there are more videos like this and that Stu lives a long life and helps many people
I would love to see more lectures with Dr McGill! :) I loved the way he explained things, very in depth and clear at the same time
This video needs to be worldwide in fitness great doctor
This man is the best.
Great video !! Love watching people who just make sense !!
4:35 in the past ten years and probably because of youtube i see a lot of lifters doing this odd thing at lock out where they forcefully snap into almost hyperextension at the top of the lift. i dont see old school lifters doing it this way. the way Dr. McGill describes as this very controlled, gradual lock out makes so much more sense to me.
in the squat or the deadlift? I have a feeling a lot of them picked up the bad habit you describe from "speed work". They throw their hips into a massive lockout and overshoot them because the weight is so light and they have moved it fast. Moving a weight super fast and then slowing it down at the very end would be very awkward. Of Course, speed work has become quite controversial in the world of raw powerlifting.
This was eye opening, thank you so much
Great content and bags of information. Great post squat university 👍🏽
Dr. McGill talking about how the back works is the bedtime story I want every night.
I stumbled across this channel looking for a fix I recently hurt my my deadlifting I have a bulging disc from playing rugby so I try to avoid flexion totally forgot about Dr McGill thanks for the video
You're welcome! Hope it can help!
GREAT VIDEO OF TWO GIANTS!!!!! THANK U VERY MUCH
When I’ve reflected on my own biology, I independently decided I had built stiffness in certain areas that benefit my weightlifting while losing flexibility in the same exact way he just described. Good to know the full truth of that line of thinking 👌🏽
Very informative, thank you 💪
Had a similar conversation with my physio supervisor today on placement regarding biomechanics of lifting and benefits of optimal pelvic tilt for avoiding injuries and generating best length/tension relationships. This message becomes muddied I feel when several prospective crossover studies conclude that lower back poster isn’t associated with back pain. However, these studies don’t observe these postures under load, conversely they either consider static or typical weight bearing function in these postures
The issue with "anti-postural" people is like what you said, what happens when you move around with spinal flexion under load. Moving around and picking up light things or tying your shoes with some spinal flexion is okay, but if that repeatedly becomes a habit that transfers to the gym, then there's a clear problem. Sitting around in spinal flexion isn't gonna throw your back out compared to rounding a 3 plate deadlift, but again, it's the habits that leak into movements when people go out and start training with load. So the moral of the story is, the better your alignment you have when you work out, then better it will be for most of the day when you're not working out, and vice versa.
@@AnNguyen-pt5ry The problem is that in a majority of patients with low back pain, they actually have been told time and time again that they back need to be braced and stiff. That they need to contract their core and not bend with their back. Spinal flexion isn't inherently good or bad, so avoiding it when doing things that picking stuff off the ground is nonsensical. I agree, when you're pushing big weight, maybe spinal flexion under load isn't great but that's not to say spinal flexion is a "bad habit" that will prevent you from lifting big loads. Like everything in life, it is complex and nuanced
cuntfacedkilla803 moving in and out of spinal flexion is fine, Living and doing everything with flexion is not. Also, yea, I agree, being told to brace outside the gym is highly inappropriate. Too much muscular effort and actually can cause even more back pain if bracing to death.
Awesome, i wish i could be a patient with either of you. I’ve had back pain for 2 years that started with a squat.
Needed to hear this!!!
Great upload! Never going to snap city again
GREAT VIDEO!
"Our job is to put ourselves out of business" - man.. it takes integrity to say that.
Great work :D
Wow. The study about on purpose doing pelvic tilt with 100lbs on back is very enlightening.
I didn't even know you had a youtube channel!
he's right on the money about crossfit
Could listen to McGill all day
Me too!
@@SquatUniversity I'm a 2nd year chiropractic student and we learn a lot about McGill. I throughly enjoy your content as it relates to what we do and strength training. Keep up the evidence based content!!
@@RoyalBeast17 chiropractor. Evidence?
Thanks. that really makes sense as far as powerlifting . But how about Olympic weightlifting, don't they squat deep weights?
I could listen to the good doctor all damn day…
FINALLY TRUTH ABOUT CROSS FIT
Are there any good articles available on neck position during deadlifting/squating?
After war grandfather lifted the cement and grain backs and did not suffer the back pains. He vas tall but skinny guy. The technique is so important thing. U may look skinny but u still may have huge strenght because of right mobility and technique.
I want to know what this man thinks about the reverse hyperextension machine
our job is to put ourselves out of business
this guy is hilarious
What about rotating the thorax while flexing the spine? I have done this while doing Olympic lifts,and now my thoracic spine has several herniations
Do you have a programme for me to buy
how about putting a gymnast or a yoga practitioner who has great adaptation of the spine, to Deadlift/squat huge loads? Would the mobility work to their disadvantage?
How many degrees do you need to justify bad form? Asking for a spine
Hey,
whats about the jeffersen curl ?
wow
Does spina bifida occulta have any affect on butt wink? I have butt wing during my deadlift and now matter how hard Itry to straighten back can't get it perfectly flat
Great question - unfortunately I don't have a great answer for that but I'll see if I can look up something.
One of the greatest deadlifters of all time had severe scoliosis. So anything is possible. Good luck!
13:20 I guess here McGill's talking about butt wink when squatting and deadlifting. Right?
Which is better,
Make the weights easy with bad form
Or make the same weight heavier with “good” form?
I think you're looking for a bro science channel
@@ericdahl2915 how so?
That goddamn Stache
So if the goal is to keep the spine as straight as possible during a squat (for normal people), then maybe the deepest possible squat is not the best idea?
Can you make a detailed video about the "length-tension curve" he keeps talking about?
When a muscle is either stretched or shortened it cannot produce as much force as if it was in neutral
@@Apex_dpt tyvm. I recently got mcgill's book back mechanic so it's interesting to read that in the context of what im reading
@@kamilo4989 his books are more advanced, that's why he did not explain the length-tension curve, he assumed that if you read his books you would know the concept
This!
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I commented on his video it would be interesting to see MRI of his spine after squating every day for years, he said his spine is probably better than sedentary person.
I doubt that😄
How do you stop buttwink
One way is to improve ankle flexion
Decrease squat depth. Also maybe increase hamstring flexibility?
Jeez, that sucks. I like lifting heavy and I like golf.
I think you may have missed the point of the video, he never says you shouldn't lift heavy or play golf.
James Huntington oh, I know. I was just commenting on the fact that the adaptations for one seem to contradict the other, so golfers who want to avoid the disc injuries he mentions should probably steer clear of heavy squatting or deadlifting.
@@bigwill6974 gotcha. #bestrong
Wow really sounds like you have to choose either flexibility or strength but not both :-(
Waste of a video. Not once did he instruct the deadlift