I regularly used Birkbeck station in 1967 to 1971 travelling to and from West Norwood (via Crystal Palace and Gypsy Hill). At that time it was a normal third rail 2 track station with two platforms in use as part of Southern Region of British Rail. The station became part of the rail and tram system you see now with the building and operation of the Croydon tram system. For safety reasons the tram system uses overhead power pick- up to prevent people from being able to touch the high voltage wire etc., in public access areas ie streets, whereas the third rail is on the track areas on private property with no access except by trespassing. The third rail is at 650-750 volts DC with an approximate current capacity of 1500 AMPS. Note the barrier fence between the tracks in the station. Elmers End station (quite nearby- down Elmers End Road) also has both Trains and Trams. It is not unusual for trams to use railway station platforms where the the trains no longer run. Best wishes from Oxfordshire.
What is rather confusing is that there is a college in London called Birkbeck but it is nowhere near the station. In the early 90s I was standing on the single platform one morning and I looked across the back gardens running up to the station to see through a glass door - a woman inside the house walked towards the door completely naked which does suggest that the station was never particularly crowded.
@@CarolineFord1 Andrew Hajducki's book "The Railways of Beckenham" says that the station was named after the local estate, probably owned by the same family that gave their name to the college.
I needed to know why they couldn’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for most of the mainline Trains so that they could extend the unused abandoned underground train stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock which will include the class 507, class 508, class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign all of them into an overhead wire line trains and also make most of them into Five carriages per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Gardner 6LXC, Cummins M11, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner LG1200 and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 8-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 10-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 507, class 508, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into 11 carriages per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers? A Stock Train and 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it even much more Larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. Then put the modernised 11 carriages per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 carriages per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly Line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train station in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Gardner 6LXC, Cummins M11, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner LG1200 and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 87 Octagon and Every 48 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 147MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 147MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!, oh can you make all of those 18 Tonne Boxes of Coal for all of those 147MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!!!! So please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!!!!!!!!! And PLEASE do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
We lived briefly near Clapham Junction in the 1960s and I always remember the station being called "Bir'beck" with the silent K in the station announcements. It was on route 36 to Beckenham Junction. I used to travel to school by train from Clapham Junction, my local station.
I remember the old 4SUBS ran to Croydon from Beckenham Junc which incidentally was my late father's grade C signalbox where he ran relief from Balham down to Chislehurst and Orpington, grade D he moved to Elmer's End as a relief base but occasionally he would be asked to cover some of his old grade C boxes something he did at Wimbledon A at E and London Bridge at F. He also occasionally did survey work for BR, he was part of the initial Snow Hill survey team and wrote the complete reworking around Blackfriars and he worked some absolute black magic in finding a pathing window for Thameslinks to cross down to the Borough Market Junc to Waterloo East streams which during rush hour was always block to block jammed packed but he managed to find a way to squeeze the Thameslinks in. Which is why Thameslink's started running through London Bridge and the SE division because BR were all for having them go down the Bromley South route and be done with it lol
Used to be a low usage 2 platform station with manned ticket office at top of stairs as late as 2000. The platform in use is the old Beckenham Junction direction platform. Opposite was the London bound one. When they introduced the trams from Beckenham to Croydon, they took over the rail section on the London bound side- hence the trams and tram maintance team on the other side.
My memory of Birkbeck is visiting some obscure relative there, looking out the bathroom window, in the dusk, at a cemetery on the other side of the railroad line, and an ancient steam engine passing through. Have no recollection of the station though, too long ago.
It is the only station like it in London, but at Navigation Road station in Manvhester, a similar arrangement takes place between the National Rail network and Metrolink (1 platform each).
Opened 1858, not 1958 and, as such, was not opened by the Southern Railway. It was in fact part of the fascinating West End of London and Crystal Palace Railway...
There are sections of the Nottingham NET tram system and the East Midlands Railway rail route to Hucknall which run alongside each other for a fair few miles.
I used Birkbeck Tram Stop every work day for about a year, that was 20 years ago but can state that although the tram platform does run next to the cemetery there was no access from he stop to the cemetery. (either from the platform or form the passage between the street and the platforms. If you want to get into the cemetery from the tram the next stop towards Croydon, Harrington Road is a much better bet as there's an entrance about 20 metres from the tram platforms
The cemetery entrance is quite a way down the road from Birkbeck station but this is the main entrance. The Harrington Road entrance is technically the rear entrance but is a lot more convenient.
Mitcham Junction has both tram and train. The interesting thing about Birkbeck for me is the name. Is it connected to Birkbeck College? They are both named after the same person, I think.
I've not been to Birkbeck, I suppose you mean there is a single line for trains and another for trams serving the same station albeit different platforms. Elmers End also has trams on platform 1, while 2 and 3 serve through trains to Hayes and London. Some stations don't follow regular layouts, e.g. Greenwich platform 1 is a down service. Gravesend has a platform 0. The first Croydon tram is 2530 continuing on from the last numbered tram operated by London Transport.
Interesting but you might want to think about the way you film. Too much of looking down at the floor, try not to move the camera too fast, try to zoom out so one gets a better overall picture. Compare to other peoples videos.
@@mrtrainz Wasn't 3rd rail anyway. I don't believe you can access Beckenham Crematorium and Graveyard directly from the tram platform, only from the main road. It is only a few minutes walk to Elmers End which has much quicker and more frequent services to London, hence the low usage.
He was clearly a maintenance track worker....as he had an orange hi Viz jacket on. It wasn't some trespasser. Also it's overhead power on that side, not third rail. So not quite as dangerous to work on when the power is switched on. Though he would still need to be careful, when carrying large metal tools.
I regularly used Birkbeck station in 1967 to 1971 travelling to and from West Norwood (via Crystal Palace and Gypsy Hill). At that time it was a normal third rail 2 track station with two platforms in use as part of Southern Region of British Rail. The station became part of the rail and tram system you see now with the building and operation of the Croydon tram system. For safety reasons the tram system uses overhead power pick- up to prevent people from being able to touch the high voltage wire etc., in public access areas ie streets, whereas the third rail is on the track areas on private property with no access except by trespassing. The third rail is at 650-750 volts DC with an approximate current capacity of 1500 AMPS. Note the barrier fence between the tracks in the station. Elmers End station (quite nearby- down Elmers End Road) also has both Trains and Trams. It is not unusual for trams to use railway station platforms where the the trains no longer run. Best wishes from Oxfordshire.
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The 2nd BR track was removed quite a few years before Tramlink was mooted. It provide a handy means of putting the tram line in there though.
What is rather confusing is that there is a college in London called Birkbeck but it is nowhere near the station.
In the early 90s I was standing on the single platform one morning and I looked across the back gardens running up to the station to see through a glass door - a woman inside the house walked towards the door completely naked which does suggest that the station was never particularly crowded.
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Both named after the same person I think.
Average Bromley girl 😂
@@CarolineFord1 Andrew Hajducki's book "The Railways of Beckenham" says that the station was named after the local estate, probably owned by the same family that gave their name to the college.
@@robertb7918 they are both named after philanthropist George Birkbeck
I needed to know why they couldn’t dig a tunnel and do an extension for most of the mainline Trains so that they could extend the unused abandoned underground train stations. Why couldn’t they use the part D78 Stock train doors on the sides and also restructure the front face of the A60 and A62 stock which will include the class 507, class 508, class 313, class 314 and class 315 remix and make them all together and also redesign all of them into an overhead wire line trains and also make most of them into Five carriages per units and also having three Disabled Toilets on those Five cars per units A60 and A62 stock trains and also convert the A60 and A62 stock trains into a Gardner 6LXC, Cummins M11, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner LG1200 and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Engines and also put the Loud 8-Speed Voith Gearboxes even Loud 10-Speed Leyland Hydra cyclic Gearboxes in the A60 and A62 stock, class 507, class 508, class 313, class 314, and class 315 and also modernise the A60 and A62 stock and make it into 11 carriages per unit so it could have fewer doors, more tables, computers and mobile phone chargers? A Stock Train and 8 Disabled Toilets on those A stock trains. why couldn’t we refurbish and modernise the waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel and make it even much more Larger and extend it to the bank station, making it into a Triple-Track Railway Line so those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden to convert the waterloo and city line Triple-Track Railway tunnel into a High-Speed Railway lines? The Third Euro tunnel Triple-Track Railway line to make it 11 times better for passengers so they could go from A to B. Then put the modernised 11 carriages per unit A Stock and put them on a bigger modernised Waterloo and city line Triple-Track train tunnel so it could go to bank station to those Five countries such as Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. The modernised refurbished 11 carriages per unit A stock could be a High Speed The Third Triple-Track Euro Tunnel Train So it is promising and 47 times a lot more possible to do this kind of project if that will be OK for London Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden. oh by the way, could they also tunnel the Triple-Track Railway Line so it will stop from Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex so that the Passengers will go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland and Sweden and also extend the Triple-Track Railway Line from the Bank to Buckinghamshire, Hertfordshire and Essex Stations so that more people from there could go to Australia, Germany, Italy, Poland And Sweden more Easily. Why couldn't they extend the Piccadilly Line and also build brand-new underground train stations so it could go even further right up to Clapton, Wood Street can they also make another brand new underground train station in Chingford and could they extend the Piccadilly Line and the DLR right up to Chingford? All of the classes 150, 155, 154, 117, 114, 105, and 106, will be replaced by all of the Gardner 6LXC, Cummins M11, Volvo B10M, Gardner 6LXB, Gardner LG1200 and Gardner 8LXB Diesel Five carriages three disabled toilets are air conditioning trains including Highams Park for extended roots which is the Piccadilly line and the DLR trains. Could you also convert all of the 1973 stock trains into an air-conditioned maximum speed 78 km/hours (48 MPH) re-refurbished and make it into a 8 cars per unit if that will be alright, and also extend all of the Piccadilly train stations to make more space for all of the extended 8 car per unit 1973 stock air condition trains and can you also build another Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive Companies and can they order Every 87 Octagon and Every 48 Hexagon shape LNER diagram unique small no.13 and unique small no.11 Boilers from those Countries such as Greece, Italy, Poland, and Sweden, can they make Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive speeds by up to 147MPH so you can try and test it on the Original Mainline so it will be much more safer for the Passengers to enjoy the 147MPH speed Limit only for HS2 and Channel Tunnel mainline services, if they needed 16 Carriages Per units, can they use those class 55’s, class 44’s, class 40’s and class 43HST Diesel Locomotive’s right at the Back of those 18 Carriages Per Units so they can take over at the Back to let those Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s have a rest for those interesting Journeys Please!!!!, oh can you make all of those 18 Tonne Boxes of Coal for all of those 147MPH Mayflower and Tornado Steam Locomotive’s so the Companies will Understand us PASSENGER’S!!!! So please make sure that the Builders can do as they are told!!!!!!!!!!!! And PLEASE do something about these very very important Professional ideas Please? Prime Minister of England, Prime Minister of Australia, Prime Minister of Sweden, Prime Minister of Germany, Prime Minister of Italy, Prime Minister of Poland and that Includes the Mayor of London.
We lived briefly near Clapham Junction in the 1960s and I always remember the station being called "Bir'beck" with the silent K in the station announcements. It was on route 36 to Beckenham Junction. I used to travel to school by train from Clapham Junction, my local station.
I remember the old 4SUBS ran to Croydon from Beckenham Junc which incidentally was my late father's grade C signalbox where he ran relief from Balham down to Chislehurst and Orpington, grade D he moved to Elmer's End as a relief base but occasionally he would be asked to cover some of his old grade C boxes something he did at Wimbledon A at E and London Bridge at F. He also occasionally did survey work for BR, he was part of the initial Snow Hill survey team and wrote the complete reworking around Blackfriars and he worked some absolute black magic in finding a pathing window for Thameslinks to cross down to the Borough Market Junc to Waterloo East streams which during rush hour was always block to block jammed packed but he managed to find a way to squeeze the Thameslinks in. Which is why Thameslink's started running through London Bridge and the SE division because BR were all for having them go down the Bromley South route and be done with it lol
Used to be a low usage 2 platform station with manned ticket office at top of stairs as late as 2000.
The platform in use is the old Beckenham Junction direction platform. Opposite was the London bound one.
When they introduced the trams from Beckenham to Croydon, they took over the rail section on the London bound side- hence the trams and tram maintance team on the other side.
That makes a lot of sense, can't imagine a station like this having a ticket office though
My memory of Birkbeck is visiting some obscure relative there, looking out the bathroom window, in the dusk, at a cemetery on the other side of the railroad line, and an ancient steam engine passing through. Have no recollection of the station though, too long ago.
It is the only station like it in London, but at Navigation Road station in Manvhester, a similar arrangement takes place between the National Rail network and Metrolink (1 platform each).
Wimbledon also has tram and 3rd rail next to each other. It's an island platform but atb the exit from it the two are side by side.
Opened 1858, not 1958 and, as such, was not opened by the Southern Railway. It was in fact part of the fascinating West End of London and Crystal Palace Railway...
"This machine takes both cash and card". Clearly not!
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@@mrtrainz There's no note slot, no coin slot, and the screen clearly shows notes and coins crossed out. These slim machines don't accept cash.
@@garychrister3504 oh ok
Another fun fact is that the Class 377 and the Bombardier CR4000 trams both have the same manufacturer.
There are sections of the Nottingham NET tram system and the East Midlands Railway rail route to Hucknall which run alongside each other for a fair few miles.
Have I misunderstood something? Wimbledon Station has tram and mainline platforms alongside each other. And, by the way, the underground as well.
So does Elmers End.
I used Birkbeck Tram Stop every work day for about a year, that was 20 years ago but can state that although the tram platform does run next to the cemetery there was no access from he stop to the cemetery. (either from the platform or form the passage between the street and the platforms. If you want to get into the cemetery from the tram the next stop towards Croydon, Harrington Road is a much better bet as there's an entrance about 20 metres from the tram platforms
oh wow ok
The cemetery entrance is quite a way down the road from Birkbeck station but this is the main entrance. The Harrington Road entrance is technically the rear entrance but is a lot more convenient.
If you want to get into the cemetery quickly, just step on the track when the train (or tram) is coming !
another weird station in London is Sudbury and Harrow road where its a suburban London station but it only gets a few Trains per day
Good to see a quket suburban station in London vs the usual busy terminus stations in the centte of London.
Used to live here at my dad’s house as a young child back when the 455s were operating on here but we’ve moved in 2020. Very quiet station
Yep
Navigation Road in Altrincham, Greater Manchester is heavy rail on one platform and Metrolink on the other.
I completely forgot about that, I gotta visit one day 😅
Mitcham Junction has both tram and train. The interesting thing about Birkbeck for me is the name. Is it connected to Birkbeck College? They are both named after the same person, I think.
The was also, at one time, a bank in the City with the same name.
I've not been to Birkbeck, I suppose you mean there is a single line for trains and another for trams serving the same station albeit different platforms. Elmers End also has trams on platform 1, while 2 and 3 serve through trains to Hayes and London.
Some stations don't follow regular layouts, e.g. Greenwich platform 1 is a down service. Gravesend has a platform 0. The first Croydon tram is 2530 continuing on from the last numbered tram operated by London Transport.
Birkbeck opened in 1858 not 1958.
Interesting but you might want to think about the way you film. Too much of looking down at the floor, try not to move the camera too fast, try to zoom out so one gets a better overall picture. Compare to other peoples videos.
Please learn how to use your camera properly, pan around slowly
Ticket machine is card only, does not take cash
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Never heard of it. Quite weird seeing the dude standing on the track.
Yep, luckily the power was off
@@mrtrainz Wasn't 3rd rail anyway. I don't believe you can access Beckenham Crematorium and Graveyard directly from the tram platform, only from the main road. It is only a few minutes walk to Elmers End which has much quicker and more frequent services to London, hence the low usage.
He was clearly a maintenance track worker....as he had an orange hi Viz jacket on. It wasn't some trespasser.
Also it's overhead power on that side, not third rail. So not quite as dangerous to work on when the power is switched on. Though he would still need to be careful, when carrying large metal tools.