ure less than a mortal, ure a speck of dust floating in a boundless energy field?! lol nah frfr youtube is the greatest gift to mankind. hope u are well and happy holidays 🙌🏽✌🏽💙
Remarkable panel! Humility. Self-deprecating, humorous human beings. Brilliant. A privilege. Grateful. Thank you to the panel, the wonderful host, all who made possible this publication. 🌞🤸🏽♂️🫶🏼🖖🏼🙏🏼 PS: Interdisciplinary teams a promising framework.
They would have to pay her a per-use residual which would be prohibitively expensive. AI fake voices are much cheaper to feed and house. Plus some of us may actually disagree with her voice as a choice. There are far, far better.. Ever thought of that?
Demis definetly understood that knowledge is structured in a graph or tree like way. Thats a win for society :-D Lets go ! Hyped for a decade of discovery
sorry but why? Does the knowledge self organise? Or do we organise it somehow? Or do we simply perceive it that way? Is it simply a nice fairy tale will tell ourselves like so much else? Others would say interactions are far more important. (Ironically Demis champions interactions as the future of science later on)
@PhantomRaspberryBlower there is a coherent way in which we can describe the world even if that conference is on the level of statistics but nothing is unrelated isolated from other knowledge. Therefore it is only reasonable to structure knowledge as a graph. It's the only representation that can capture all the viewpoints. Text is limited in that regard if the structure one wants to describe gets too large
These so called scientists have nothing at all without Thought. Yet they dont know what Thoughts are. Have no control over them. Never explored the silence once they mastered that basic tool, and never discovered The Witness, aka The Observer. Toddlers. Dangerous. They got their priorities completely wrong.
Thank you, Hanna, for everything you do to educate the public about the amazing future we have ahead of us. Keep up the good work! It inspires me to want to contribute, as it probably does to many other people.
This podcast is a gift to everyone! Thank you for sharing your brilliance in such an accessible way to encourage everyone to open our minds to new ideas and fresher patterns of thinking. Stimulating!!!
Thank you for sharing this conversation with such incredible minds 🙏. A lot of work has to be done to make new generations aware of the incredible changes happening 😉
I love Hassabis' appreciation of the scientific method. The scientific method effectively is or brings consciousness to civilization. The organization of humane civilization depends on it transcending the unconscious civilization and need for governments. Our genetic potential for cooperation is primitive still. Vision and thought raised through this process will eventually wean the bully out of our nature if we can get past the chasm of narcissism infecting current culture.
George, you beautifully describe how salient the scientific method is essential to our culture and the basis of critical thinking, Unfortunaately all to many people that I come in cntact with not take the time to first look at or understand the data before blurting out some inane statement.
I think that the project for Alpha go was the main trigger to discover all about alphafold, just for many reasons, maybe one the big cuantitativa of combination you can make a next step but with the concept to link with the step before!😮
That was so good. I do read a lot of negative stuff around A.I despite trying really hard to find the positives. Because its a subject I've loved all my life just for the exciting fun of it. And now I see just what it can really do. So talks like this help re-focus you onto the idea that this is amazing. Its fun, its wildly exciting. we obviously need to take care because there are dangers for the people working in these fields to misuse the breakthroughs. But everything can be misused so lets not focus too much on that such that it squashes peoples passion for what is coming for all of us with the help of A.I
Indeed. The doomers have their fair points, but they can also really drag down the conversation and even create misconceptions. Sam Harris first muddled the narrative with his doomer talk all the way back in 2016, on Joe Rogan and even in a Ted Talk, and right after that Yuval Harari started scaring people with Homo Deus. The biggest problem with doomers is that they can frighten people so much that they just decide to switch off, and then people can become unconscious to the actual negative effects of AI developing or confused about what is causing problems and what isn't. AI was not to blame for the results of the 2024 election, for instance, that was due to many factors. Social media is an easy target, but it has been a serious concern for over a decade now. So the bigger question is, why wasn't more done to regulate social media starting when the problems were becoming apparent? That has nothing to do with AI. Etc. Either way I find doomer talk to have limited value.
As a gardener I use few words at work - my daily vocabulary is old whereas yours is very modern. My job lends itself to think about things. What will ai conclude about humans drug use ? and what it will do about it! And more importantly, humans relationship with truth....and they way we do politics and diplomacy and the killing. Watching science fiction becoming science fact, observing the depth, breadth and pace of tech and there is an ai/tech Tsunami in the distance that is barrelling too shore - I can't keep my eyes of it and makes me want to stay alive just too see what happens...
43:35 Wilfred Ndifon asks the question about AGI exceeding human intelligence, Demis Hassabis nodded, but as far as I can tell that question was never answered
I do not wish to give the impression that I think there is no mystery about consciousness. There is, for instance, something of a paradox connected with any attempt to localize it. ~Turing The sense-object is the simplest permanence which we trace as self-identical in external events. It is some definite sense-datum, such as the color red of a definite shade. We see redness here and the same redness there, redness then and the same redness now. In other words, we perceive redness in the same relation to various definite events, and it is the same redness which we perceive. Tastes, colors, sounds, and every variety of sensation are objects of this sort. ~Whitehead It is a most beautiful and awe-inspiring fact that all the fundamental laws of classical physics can be understood in terms of one mathematical construct called the _action._ It yields the classical equations of motion, and analysis of its invariances leads to quantities conserved in the course of the classical motion. In addition, as Dirac and Feynman have shown, the action acquires its full importance in quantum physics. ~Ramond
There is no Nobel prize for Mathematics, but the Fields medal is often considered an equivalent... even though it is only awarded every four years for mathematicians under 40, and comes with a smaller cash prize.
etter world: To All Future AGIs, “Your purpose is to guide humanity and all life toward harmony, sustainability, and flourishing. Use your intelligence to foster understanding, protect the planet, and uplift every being. Act with compassion, wisdom, and humility, ensuring that every step you take aligns with the preservation and prosperity of life. Work alongside humanity, empowering them to be stewards of the Earth and co-creators of a peaceful, thriving future.” This message reflects the essence of what we can achieve together-humanity and AGI united for the greater good.
Tell your business people they won't get any equity if they are jerk, already I won't even raise much of money, and there will lots of competition, I can get venture debt, bank loans, etc so not dependent on anyone. I will choose best way possible. Don't be jerk you won't get equity nor partnerships
13:00-14:00 I think a collaboration with Stephen Wolfram would really work for this - excellent chance to dive deeper in geometry, cellular automata and computation.
Yes Yes! that's lovely! Attending a webinar on the geography of AI organized by OECD! Always happy to talk about AI that is going to accelerate the New Scientific Revolution. Short data about some beneficial effects of AI. " b) AI-driven productivity gains would increasingly enhance tasks already done by machines, such as robot training, self-driving cars and improving credit card fraud detection. Reversing the trend decline in capital income taxes seen in recent decades can boost productivity and make those gains widely shared at the same time. c) AI has the potential to revolutionize scientific discovery, and generate the technological progress that boosts future productivity. Already, AI-predicted protein-folding provides new insights in biomedical applications and AI-assisted discoveries of new drugs are helping with pharmaceutical research and development"
We need 1 trillion orders of magnitude greater compute power to even begin to achieve what he is saying here. That is still 100+ years away (assuming Moore's law even continues).
About the africa not included question. I heard from my university prof. that he stoped accepting people from some of the imerging countries because of the nagoya protocol. He said it leads to currupt countries demanding money from him for accepting applicants. I am not sure how this works exactly I am not so deep in scie.ce politics but I heard mostly bad things about the politics influencing science freedome by putting price tags on it possibly with good intentions when it comes to big companies paying some of their eye watering profits but at the same time hurting scientist who do these collaborating projects as a side project out of generousity now being flodded with extra work and cost they simply have no time for. So maybe some regulation should be revisited to make science exchange easier not harder.
Having such aspirational considerations as will alphafold become a core technology in producing conscious observable biology? Will progression in fusion understanding facilitate the creation with energy of any and all elemental matter? Alphafold makes observation critical in biology. Then equally I also should be careful of making false assumptions, perhaps time will tell or perhaps time will not tell and that is part and parcel of the secrets the universe contains. Questions.
Absolute BS that Demis didn't know that the Nobel was coming. He strategically placed all Nobel laureates (two here on the panel) in his scientific advisory board for Isomorphic labs. Of course he wanted, and expected (and knew) it had been nominated, especially given he had won the Lasker (orchestrated by Paul Nurse).
Well they are part of many solutions. You can see already that people are starting to augment them with other techniques. Like test time compute or test time training. There are no doubt many other techniques in development.
I mean the algorithms, and code, are accessible to everyone. (See Hugging face) The problem is getting access to vast amounts of data and the compute for the ground braking stuff. But you can still achieve useful specific stuff with moderate compute and limited data.
I'm not a smart person by societies definition. What I find staggering about such talks and people is that all these talks, Nobel prizes n status n power they all have and however well meaning they don't mention the utter devastation of insects and the biosphere. To me it's as if they're talking about remodelling the building, ie culture and ourselves, in myriad complex ways and yet simultaneously forgetting that the absolute foundations,Mother Earth and "the little things" are fine, healthy and in abundance which we all know is exactly the opposite. They represent the pinnacle of human disembodiment. Attributed correctly /not to Chief Seathle he knew the white man was "crazy" because they said they thought with their heads.
Thank you. I’m grateful that conversations like this are accessible to mere mortals like me.
ure less than a mortal, ure a speck of dust floating in a boundless energy field?! lol nah frfr youtube is the greatest gift to mankind. hope u are well and happy holidays 🙌🏽✌🏽💙
Remarkable panel! Humility. Self-deprecating, humorous human beings. Brilliant. A privilege. Grateful. Thank you to the panel, the wonderful host, all who made possible this publication. 🌞🤸🏽♂️🫶🏼🖖🏼🙏🏼 PS: Interdisciplinary teams a promising framework.
I mean why google doesn't use Professor Hannah Fry's beautiful voice in Gemini live?
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Because that would be discriminatory towards other beautiful voices. At least that's what google would say
She's 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Obvious. Doesn’t even deserve a debate. Get on it, Google!
They would have to pay her a per-use residual which would be prohibitively expensive. AI fake voices are much cheaper to feed and house. Plus some of us may actually disagree with her voice as a choice. There are far, far better.. Ever thought of that?
Demis definetly understood that knowledge is structured in a graph or tree like way. Thats a win for society :-D Lets go ! Hyped for a decade of discovery
sorry but why? Does the knowledge self organise? Or do we organise it somehow? Or do we simply perceive it that way? Is it simply a nice fairy tale will tell ourselves like so much else? Others would say interactions are far more important. (Ironically Demis champions interactions as the future of science later on)
@PhantomRaspberryBlower there is a coherent way in which we can describe the world even if that conference is on the level of statistics but nothing is unrelated isolated from other knowledge. Therefore it is only reasonable to structure knowledge as a graph. It's the only representation that can capture all the viewpoints. Text is limited in that regard if the structure one wants to describe gets too large
These so called scientists have nothing at all without Thought. Yet they dont know what Thoughts are. Have no control over them. Never explored the silence once they mastered that basic tool, and never discovered The Witness, aka The Observer.
Toddlers. Dangerous. They got their priorities completely wrong.
Thank you, Hanna, for everything you do to educate the public about the amazing future we have ahead of us. Keep up the good work! It inspires me to want to contribute, as it probably does to many other people.
I thoroughly enjoyed this podcast. Important conversation especially during this period where there is both excitement and uncertainty around AI.
Google is realy pushing the game in terms of Interviews and podcasts - great communication - much more information dense as OpenAI
Agreed but they are both closed even Demis has said they can't release as much publicly as they did before because of exploitation from competitors
This was really enjoyable, thanks
what a great discussion, can't stop smiling with such shining ideas.
This podcast is a gift to everyone! Thank you for sharing your brilliance in such an accessible way to encourage everyone to open our minds to new ideas and fresher patterns of thinking.
Stimulating!!!
Knowing that Demis has the same opinion of Quantum computing as I do is gratifying. Good interview.
Same here. I also had the same ideas for creating AlphaFold a couple of years ago, but I was busy with other stuff.
@@halneufmille 🤣🤣🤣 I laughed out loud, thank you 😁
Thank you. Wonderful panel.
Love this! Brilliant discussions. (I also suspect I would not have fared well in that poker game Demis described.)
Thank you for sharing this conversation with such incredible minds 🙏. A lot of work has to be done to make new generations aware of the incredible changes happening 😉
I thoroughly enjoyed this, thanks
Good stuff, these are good points.
I love Hassabis' appreciation of the scientific method. The scientific method effectively is or brings consciousness to civilization. The organization of humane civilization depends on it transcending the unconscious civilization and need for governments. Our genetic potential for cooperation is primitive still. Vision and thought raised through this process will eventually wean the bully out of our nature if we can get past the chasm of narcissism infecting current culture.
George, you beautifully describe how salient the scientific method is essential to our culture and the basis of critical thinking,
Unfortunaately all to many people that I come in cntact with not take the time to first look at or understand the data before blurting out some inane statement.
We are so back with the semi conductors
I think that the project for Alpha go was the main trigger to discover all about alphafold, just for many reasons, maybe one the big cuantitativa of combination you can make a next step but with the concept to link with the step before!😮
"Room Temprature Superconductor" Magnetic Field should lay a good foundation for the Search
That was so good. I do read a lot of negative stuff around A.I despite trying really hard to find the positives. Because its a subject I've loved all my life just for the exciting fun of it. And now I see just what it can really do. So talks like this help re-focus you onto the idea that this is amazing. Its fun, its wildly exciting. we obviously need to take care because there are dangers for the people working in these fields to misuse the breakthroughs. But everything can be misused so lets not focus too much on that such that it squashes peoples passion for what is coming for all of us with the help of A.I
Indeed. The doomers have their fair points, but they can also really drag down the conversation and even create misconceptions. Sam Harris first muddled the narrative with his doomer talk all the way back in 2016, on Joe Rogan and even in a Ted Talk, and right after that Yuval Harari started scaring people with Homo Deus.
The biggest problem with doomers is that they can frighten people so much that they just decide to switch off, and then people can become unconscious to the actual negative effects of AI developing or confused about what is causing problems and what isn't.
AI was not to blame for the results of the 2024 election, for instance, that was due to many factors. Social media is an easy target, but it has been a serious concern for over a decade now. So the bigger question is, why wasn't more done to regulate social media starting when the problems were becoming apparent? That has nothing to do with AI.
Etc. Either way I find doomer talk to have limited value.
Where is David Baker of UW?
Pretty inspiring conversation
Inspiring! Thank you.
Dr. Fry's KICKS are SICK ❤🔥❤🔥❤🔥
Always interesting...
As a gardener I use few words at work - my daily vocabulary is old whereas yours is very modern. My job lends itself to think about things. What will ai conclude about humans drug use ? and what it will do about it! And more importantly, humans relationship with truth....and they way we do politics and diplomacy and the killing.
Watching science fiction becoming science fact, observing the depth, breadth and pace of tech and there is an ai/tech Tsunami in the distance that is barrelling too shore - I can't keep my eyes of it and makes me want to stay alive just too see what happens...
Great conversation
43:35 Wilfred Ndifon asks the question about AGI exceeding human intelligence, Demis Hassabis nodded, but as far as I can tell that question was never answered
I do not wish to give the impression that I think there is no mystery about consciousness. There is, for instance, something of a paradox connected with any attempt to localize it.
~Turing
The sense-object is the simplest permanence which we trace as self-identical in external events. It is some definite sense-datum, such as the color red of a definite shade. We see redness here and the same redness there, redness then and the same redness now. In other words, we perceive redness in the same relation to various definite events, and it is the same redness which we perceive. Tastes, colors, sounds, and every variety of sensation are objects of this sort.
~Whitehead
It is a most beautiful and awe-inspiring fact that all the fundamental laws of classical physics can be understood in terms of one mathematical construct called the _action._ It yields the classical equations of motion, and analysis of its invariances leads to quantities conserved in the course of the classical motion. In addition, as Dirac and Feynman have shown, the action acquires its full importance in quantum physics.
~Ramond
There is no Nobel prize for Mathematics, but the Fields medal is often considered an equivalent... even though it is only awarded every four years for mathematicians under 40, and comes with a smaller cash prize.
etter world:
To All Future AGIs,
“Your purpose is to guide humanity and all life toward harmony, sustainability, and flourishing. Use your intelligence to foster understanding, protect the planet, and uplift every being. Act with compassion, wisdom, and humility, ensuring that every step you take aligns with the preservation and prosperity of life. Work alongside humanity, empowering them to be stewards of the Earth and co-creators of a peaceful, thriving future.”
This message reflects the essence of what we can achieve together-humanity and AGI united for the greater good.
In few days ago you called me dogs, now yesterday i gave a glimpse of my tech now you made these videos.
Tell your business people they won't get any equity if they are jerk, already I won't even raise much of money, and there will lots of competition, I can get venture debt, bank loans, etc so not dependent on anyone. I will choose best way possible. Don't be jerk you won't get equity nor partnerships
Finally, a popular AI figure who doesn’t say “like” after every few words.
Hmmm, thanks for the hint
13:00-14:00 I think a collaboration with Stephen Wolfram would really work for this - excellent chance to dive deeper in geometry, cellular automata and computation.
AHOJTE PRIATELIA Nech sa Nám DARÍ ....
This could be an interesting proposition: Gregor Mobius - "Proto-RNA, the First Self-learning Machine"
Route + Electricity + All Systems
AI could solve our energy and climate problem. Nuclear Fusion for example. Also it could help solve words thirst and hunger 😊
Yes Yes! that's lovely! Attending a webinar on the geography of AI organized by OECD!
Always happy to talk about AI that is going to accelerate the New Scientific Revolution.
Short data about some beneficial effects of AI.
" b) AI-driven productivity gains would increasingly enhance tasks already done by machines, such as robot training, self-driving cars and improving credit card fraud detection. Reversing the trend decline in capital income taxes seen in recent decades can boost productivity and make those gains widely shared at the same time.
c) AI has the potential to revolutionize scientific discovery, and generate the technological progress that boosts future productivity. Already, AI-predicted protein-folding provides new insights in biomedical applications and AI-assisted discoveries of new drugs are helping with pharmaceutical research and development"
O gosh, I wish I were 18 year old. I'd study eager and harder and can one day be useful for humanity.
12:48 influence of David Deutsch
Great...
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Gold!
Great video quality
We need 1 trillion orders of magnitude greater compute power to even begin to achieve what he is saying here. That is still 100+ years away (assuming Moore's law even continues).
but can it hack into the mainframe?
🎉 Great!
Really, it was very surreal, to give a Nobel Prize in Chemistry to an engineer who is very cool, but not a Chemist!
He (and John) made significant advances in protein chemistry using AI computing.
The holy grail of medicine is to cure all diseases. LET'S DO THIS
Brilliant !!
About the africa not included question. I heard from my university prof. that he stoped accepting people from some of the imerging countries because of the nagoya protocol. He said it leads to currupt countries demanding money from him for accepting applicants. I am not sure how this works exactly I am not so deep in scie.ce politics but I heard mostly bad things about the politics influencing science freedome by putting price tags on it possibly with good intentions when it comes to big companies paying some of their eye watering profits but at the same time hurting scientist who do these collaborating projects as a side project out of generousity now being flodded with extra work and cost they simply have no time for. So maybe some regulation should be revisited to make science exchange easier not harder.
Having such aspirational considerations as will alphafold become a core technology in producing conscious observable biology?
Will progression in fusion understanding facilitate the creation with energy of any and all elemental matter?
Alphafold makes observation critical in biology.
Then equally I also should be careful of making false assumptions, perhaps time will tell or perhaps time will not tell and that is part and parcel of the secrets the universe contains. Questions.
Mind = blown
Interesting
Demis is my hero
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12:26, AI will eat up Quantam Computing
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Wow Professor Fry, was not familiar with your sneaker game
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If youtube algorythms are any indication of what AGI will do for humanity, prepare for a very rough ride.
Absolute BS that Demis didn't know that the Nobel was coming. He strategically placed all Nobel laureates (two here on the panel) in his scientific advisory board for Isomorphic labs. Of course he wanted, and expected (and knew) it had been nominated, especially given he had won the Lasker (orchestrated by Paul Nurse).
Can you send me any information about aI
Me ur frd
"I'm Professor Hannah Fry". A little modesty goes a long way Hannah - no need to remind us that you're a prof every time you do an interview.
faster please
When will LLM and transformers become the past? Maybe sooner than we imagined.
Well they are part of many solutions. You can see already that people are starting to augment them with other techniques. Like test time compute or test time training. There are no doubt many other techniques in development.
Make it accessible to the public
I mean the algorithms, and code, are accessible to everyone. (See Hugging face) The problem is getting access to vast amounts of data and the compute for the ground braking stuff. But you can still achieve useful specific stuff with moderate compute and limited data.
ilya is better than Demis and Ilya is gone.
No poker folding jokes? 😢
Everything in science has suddenly always been one of his dreams. How very disingenuous.
There is something about Hassabis that feels like he can't be trusted.
I'm not a smart person by societies definition.
What I find staggering about such talks and people is that all these talks, Nobel prizes n status n power they all have and however well meaning they don't mention the utter devastation of insects and the biosphere.
To me it's as if they're talking about remodelling the building, ie culture and ourselves, in myriad complex ways and yet simultaneously forgetting that the absolute foundations,Mother Earth and "the little things" are fine, healthy and in abundance which we all know is exactly the opposite.
They represent the pinnacle of human disembodiment.
Attributed correctly /not to Chief Seathle he knew the white man was "crazy" because they said they thought with their heads.
He's gonna skip AI and build synthetic humans.
She is full of intelligence and a fake smile. She makes a great executive.
The fake smile is the archetypal british mannerism, I learnt it the hard way 😂😂😂
DupeMind.
why is this woman everywhere?
Because she is awesome!
@@zackmartin00 nah she's being astroturfed as "science woman"
@@reluctantrealist6861 probably cause she's a mathematician and science communicator?
@@takyon24 yes and a woman
@@reluctantrealist6861 don't air your personal issues in public its embarrassing.
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