CRTs will be always superior their response time, motion clarity and input lag are unbeatable OLED bas better response time than LCD but it still has inferior motion clarity compares to CRT .
It's down to sample and hold of LCD and oled. Backlight strobed LCD has almost CRT levels of motion clarity and input lag, especially NVIDIA ULMB2. strobed LCD is better than oled for motion clarity if it is strobed... The response time of the pixels is a secondary issue
Imagine if a company with the funds started looking at patent designs for CRT, and figured out a way to make them fit in a smaller footprint, with lighter materials, and new age technology like our new smaller capacitors and tiny ass PCB's, and gave us an ultra lightweight CRT gaming monitor for new age gaming that had widescreen capability. The only issue then would be how much delay would HDMI or Display Port add to it? Supposedly you can use HDMI to a box which converts it to analog and there is zero input lag added to the chain.... if that's true, they might be able to do HDMI direct to the new CRT design and bam, perfection.
It's not going to happen, for a variety of reasons. I'm pretty sure patents expired, that's why you had a clone of Trinitron like Diamondtron (which this monitor is). So that's not an issue. And DP/HDMi solution wouldn't be a problem. There are other problems. Harmful chemicals needed to produce CRTs. I'm pretty sure there are regulations in place in many countries which would limit the production of CRTs severely, especially in the EU. Weight and size. Most of the weight is in the the tube (front), not capacitors and PCBs. Brightness (the best results for CRTs is when you use them in dark rooms). Power. The fact no one cares about PC monitors. Like really. Look at monitors today. They all suck. It's not really all that profitable. The profit is in TVs. There was the FED (field emission display) technology, but that died out because of the 2008 global financial crisis. It had most of the advantages of CRTs, it just couldn't multiscan (switch to different resolutions, it would be fixed like an LCD). The vast majority of people just simply do not care. Businesses don't care about image quality, unless they're businesses that rely on it (and you can make reference monitors just for them that cost an arm and a leg).
Micro LED technology is probably going to be the be-all and end-all technology. All of the advantages of OLED, with none of the disadvantages. But who knows how far away we are from that as they're having trouble making smaller diagonals. With the pandemic and recession, it might even be delayed. We might see more companies making OLED screens - so far, only LG makes those panels for TVs in just two of their factories. In a couple of years, the production might become ubiquitous.
Sadly SED and FED tech was dropped, we would have 65" plus CRT quality displays by now, the one single thing they couldn't do is multi sync but with such awsome scaling tech we have now that wouldn't have been a big deal I won't think, retro and classic content properly upscaled to 4K/8K on CRT tech would look phenomenal no doubt. We do at last have commercial 24/27/32" OLED RGB monitors about to hit the market, though they are 60Hz and very expensive, so it will still be awhile until it's worth getting one, as soon as a high refresh rate 32" OLED RGB is out at a decent price I'm there.
@@Frolsa84 This is exactly why there are no glossy PC Monitors left and all the TVs have the best glossy display, its cheaper and easier to make a bunch of shitty matte finish LCD panels and sell it to everybody. Only apple still makes quality LCD glossy displays but they cost a lot
This monitor features the glorious Diamondtron NF tube, which is the best tube in my opinion. It offers a sense of depth and crispness unlike any other tube I've seen, including the top-end Trinitrons I've encountered (except maybe the the G520 and the old GDM series from the 90's (500/400/200ps, 20SHT and so on). Also, it has much smoother motion than any other tube in my experience. I recommend you grab an NF monitor soon as you see it, you most likely won't regret it. It never really got the spotlight but boy does it deserve it. It's also featured in the Lacie Electron Blue IV, the ViewSonic P225f (although this one isn't directly called NF, the tube itself IS it for all I know). Also, there's the Iiyama 511 (MA201d), the Samsung 900/959nf, and of course, Mitsu's own 900/920u/2060u, as well as their smaller counterparts. These are just a few models that I know of, there's got to be much more than that. So yeah, NFs all round
I had an Iiyama Vision Master 1451 19" CRT, what a beast, the thing weight half as much as I do! I used to haul the thing off to LAN parties in the early 2000's lol. Mine wasn't as high end as this, I used to run it at 1280 x 1024 @ 85hz
Screen tearing occurs on CRTs , just like other static refresh rate displays, when the frame rate of the game exceeds the display's refresh rate. The only ways to avoid tearing on static/fixed refresh rate displays is to use V-Sync or to cap the game's frame rate.
I wish finding a good 21 - 22 inch CRT wasn't so freaking hard... Damn it, I just want to go to the store or order one online like a normal consumer without having to jump through hoops to get one or have to dish out ridiculous amounts of money... 😒😒
I was slated by supposedly intelligent work colleagues, oh in about 2003, because they were all extremely excited about the new thin and flat TN panels. They picture quality was awful and insanely expensive. Yet everyone was banging on about how much desk space they (actually didn’t) save. I stuck with my Mitsubishi Diamondtron for years until I was forced to buy a panel in 2010. I still remember the idiot sitting next to me trying to rub out the stuck pixels on his new £399 15” screen which couldn’t even display colours evenly from top to bottom. Moron!
what are you talking bro 💀 60 is 60 120 is 120 60 in not 120 it like you say that you see 120fps a game who run at 120fps on a 1hz screen just impossible
@@fazer3100 You clearly have no idea about resampling. If you actually took the time to record a 60 hz screen with 60 fps and 120hz screen with 60fps you would be able to tell the difference.
Doesn't this have the 2 superbright settings? Could you post a video examining this particular aspect about it. There's a lot of talk about the 2 superbrightness modes causing massive colorbleeding.
Excellent objective test of CRT monitors, to finally recognize their qualities, where the bottom hurts, it is the flat screens with high refreshrate frequencies but which in the end, on recent games are forced to activate the V sync, in the end they only play in 60hz or even 30 depending on the game, such as RDR2 for example, for the lack of TEARING. Tearing is hell for me, when the color settings ditto, the range of settings on LCD is often too much, which means that from one source to another, we are constantly obliged to spend time in the settings , ditto for CRT TV vs flat screen.
The Iiyama Vision Master Pro 510 is one of the last MONSTERS of a CRT-Monitor. I had one a couple of years ago. I´m happy that i was able to replace it with a hp p1230 for free!
I was about to get rid of my old crt HP from my old pc. I have a 32' 1080 screen. But man, old games look awfull on the flat screen. Crt's were amazing. Old games didnt look bad thanks to that technology
REcomend the Half-Life remake Black Mesa to be played on a CRT if you have one, a nice CRT plus the updated textures etc is next level and by far the best way to enjoy the game.
i have a gaming monitor and the amount of hours meansuring which setting is better give me sure that a CRT monitor is the way to gaming, after all, my gaming montior is nothing compared with this no input lag CRT.
Recently got an as new Hyundai ImageQuest CRT and the image quality in just incredible, anything from SNES & MegaDrive games with beautiful big fat scanlines to the latest titles at high refresh rates just looks so good, vivid inky colours and blacks, bright and vibrant with an instant response time, no motion blur which given that I got so used to LCD's is pretty incredible. I had forgotten just how much better a good CRT monitor is over even my "latest and greatest" gaming LCD, it just looks so pants next to the CRT, not to mention the lag. Gaming is a lot more fun of CRT that's for sure. I will be more than happy to use CRT until a decent OLED monitor with high refresh rates comes out, that's the only thing that can come close to a CRT monitor, a 16:10 32" 144Hz OLED RGB monitor under 1000, then it will be worth upgrading, the bigger sizes and slightly better blacks will just about make up for it falling a bit short of CRT's still, i.e. OLED still is fixed pixel display and has motion blur, I think CRT will always be best for 4:3 retro stuff though.
If you want a Tv today that mimics these colors either buy a Oled or a tv with a description of "plasma rich like colors" I have a 1080p tv i bought thats a led but has plasma rich like colors and it is beautiful.
@@Brain_Food- OLD is great and much closer to CRT quality but still not as good is CRT, especially in a few important areas, also It's monitor displays for gaming that I'm interested in, unfortunately OLED has too much motion blur to replace CRT, they will eventually have high refresh rate OLED available though should do a good enough job at least, LED is even worse for motion resolution and response, I would never spend a penny on LCD/LED/QLED/ETC it's just not for me, then there is the fact that OLED is still fixed pixel, CRT is mutiscan. OLED will get there eventually and be available in monitor sizes.
@@Wobble2007 They can release a tv that can compare to a CRT with the technology we have today, but they won't because of money to be made. the huge downside of CRT was the weight which many people gave up on. I recently found me a dell m992 in the trash and saved it which i plan on keeping because there's really nothing that compares.
@@Wobble2007 Plasma tv was the closest thing to a CRT tv in terms of color and blacks. There's videos on here showing a plasma next to a oled and they look identical.
I play rdr 2 max out ultra except mirror and water graphics at 55 to 60 fps in city I7 2600 8gb 120gb Gtx 970 sc 4gb Sony 20 inch crtv 165hz I play on 1024x768 resolution and max setting all at 4gb vram With crtv monitor i have incredible fps boost and 1024x768 looks way better than todays 4k 120hz i play every nee game maxed out on these resolutions with 60plus and 100plus fps 0 response delay 0 input delay incredible 16xmsaa natural anti aliasing this monitors have its truly a gem for me i play doom eternal at 120 fps 120hz max setting every single game looks incredibly better than my 4k ps4 pro samsung tv
They diffinetly killed CRT of as soon as possible, CRTs had already gotten to an incredible point of image clarity and technical feat, I canny imagine what an 8K Sony CRT would look like given how lifelike a modern game looks on a top end Sony CRT already. Next gen on CRT is just a sight to behold and makes it so much more enjoyable to play on.
@@juanme555 Even the best modern LCD's are way behind in motion clarity + contrast ratio compared to a CRT. A 100$ CRT from 2005 is miles ahead of a 250$ gaming LCD from 2021 when it comes to gaming + general motion clarity. LCD is just a horrible technology.
@@Elektribe Exactly. I'm looking at my GDM-W900 right now (42 kg) and you could probably stack five 24" (in truth the W900 is 22.5", not 24") LED monitors in the space it took to ship this beast. And a lot of CRTs died during shipping (same with plasmas I believe).
when you were in the Nvidia Control panel making the resolution .. remember that 1800x1440 is 5:4, you want to use 4:3 which is 1920x1440, also you should switch form automatic CRT timing to CVT. you'll notice your KHz go up, every time you change the resolution switch to auto then back to CVT, youll notice the NV CPL will update the total , active, and all the pixel timings properly... i noticed in your video that your resolution was running at 1280x1024 active pixels at 120hz which is easy, but you cant actually run native 1920x1440 at 120hz on that iiyama, it would go well above the KHz range of the monitor.. youd want to stay below the max KHz range which may be 130 or 140 depending on your panel. Just a pro-tip. :) DELL P1130 owner here, its a 21" PC CRT trinitron, so specs between our two panels are very close. I LOVE MINE, motion clarity is best in the world, bar-none, hands-down #1, and i can to 1336x1002 @ 120Hz, at just about 130KHz. :)
i have a dell p1130 too i keep it at 1280x1024 @118hz as a sidenote do you know a good method to calibrate the chroma? or do you keep it with preset colors?
You look like you know a lot about crts my sony trinitron cpd201vs isnt working with interlaced it is capable of 1280x1024 or 120hz i have it plugged in through a simple displayport to vga adapter
@@CrispyStrahan interlaced only works through HDMI on nvidia GPUs.. NVIDIA doesnt seem to be able to do interlaced over displayport. :) so get an hDMI to VGA adapter for interlaced
Thanks for the really good Video (might be old but I just found it). I play exclusively on the 514Pro for over a year now and I can say with confidence that it´s the best Monitor I ever used fror modern PC gaming. My RTX3080 can even VSync 60fps with Pathtracing enabled in cyberpunk 2077 (DLSS balanced, 1440p 60Hz) and imho 60Hz looks just as smooth and much sharper in movement than my LCD even at 144Hz.
It's 120hz. I might have been playing with other settings before. You can get a clear picture and more brightness on an LCD but not this colour accuracy or motion. Thanks for watching!
@@Frolsa84 got my FW900 few days ago for 400 USD. Is it worth keeping my Dell P1110 for spare parts? Heard their flyback is compatible with the one in FW900.
Could you tell me other monitor brands that come close to this quality and speed. I’m an old gamer and would love to get my hands on an old crt to get back into quake, cs1.6 and Starcraft brood wars.
Hp p1230, mitsubishi diamond 2070sb, sony f520, phillips brilliance 202p4, nokia 445pro, viewsonic p225f. And my iiyama vision mastrr pro 514, .. 454 is also perfect.
It depends on what country you are. Try your best to get a monitor with at least 93kHz , and no matter what avoid the ones with less than 70kHz. If you're in South America you should be able to easily get the higher end Samsung, LG and HP monitors, they are usually mid-high end, like the one i have, its a Samsung Syncmaster 997MB which i bought from ML (most famous site in my country, Argentina) , only coasted me 25U$D and it can do 1280x720 at 120hz. If you're in the U.S you should be able to get the higher end Dell, iiyama and NEC CRT's , which are usually better than mine, lots of models that can do 101kHz , also eBay in U.S.A had some top tier LaCie CRT's selling all the time last year in 2021. If you're in Germany or UK you're extremely lucky, you can easily get a bunch of Sony Trinitron models, usually for less than 100 Euros too, all great monitors with well above 90kHz , really reliable and amazing picture quality. But before you buy a CRT, remember to make sure you have, ideally, a gpu with a DVI-i port, if you got a newer and more powerful gpu, you'll have to use an adapter which will strongly downgrade image quality, so try to get the best possible adapter you can get, and make sure you got enough space in your desktop. ps: CSGO and modern games look AMAZING on a CRT!
@@juanme555 I’m in the US. I have pc built just for the older titles. And yes of course, I installed an rx 480 that has dvi ports and saved my dvi to vga adapters over the years. I never checked eBay so thank you for that suggestion. I’ve been searching on local OfferUp and Facebook market place but in the last few months not even 1 crt has been posted. Thank you for the reply
I used a CRT TV and Monitor until 2010 as the giant 40 inch LCD tv i had back in 2007 was awful, nice to have a big screen but back then the picture had a washed out look and if you were not looking dead centre the picture would turn like a negative in a photo, we have got better now with LCDs and OLEDS but still the CRT is king for gaming
I have a sony trinitron capable of 1280x1024 or 120hz max horizontal hz is 70khz but i cant get interlaced to work i have an rx570 and i just use a displayport to vga adapter
We've had one of these in the office storage, dug it out today and it works beautifully. The Reddit post i found this on mentioned £100 being cheap. What would you expect them to go for?
@@WTM.23 he definitely have $100 Chinese LCD cause my Made In Japan Eizo LCD especailly their VA model like EV2333w which I have can look just as good as CRT why people buying TurboCrapLoud(TCL) and Low-Sense (Hisense) think it's a good idea. look luck making Chinese crap last 10 years. I have no choice but buying LCD TV so Sony XBR4 is the closet thing I can get to CRT TV
@@Brain_Food- They had to be built to last due to the limitations of the technology, the vacuum tube technology of the display required extremely thick and durable glass to withstand atmospheric pressure. Not to mention that the glass could be potentially deadly if shattered.
@@epitaph3988 They had to be well made because of radiation which the tube shoots out towards the screen. That's why the screen is made like it is. And why it is so heavy.
Question, could I use a 7800xt gpu, I have a displayport 2.1, could I put a vga adapter for a CRT monitor in that dp and also a question, is it compatible with triple A games and the next ones?
When you use adapters from digital to analog, you get input lag. In my case, I use a gtx 970 windforce which has a dvi-i port. I use an adapter from dvi-i to vga (analog to analog = no inputlag) I use 2 cards in one computer (gtx 970 = analog and rtx 2060 and everything working fine. It feels so smooth playing on a crt monitor 💯💯💯💯
On that aspect ratio: most pc crt monitors are 5:4 not 4:3. And to get the resolutions working you can force a compatible resolution through tweaking the config file of the game in question.
Most PC CRT's are 4:3, if not all, except the Apple ones. But running 5:4 resolutions were common for some reason, particularly the 1280x1024 resolution, as opposed to 1280x960
Optimal mode for this Iiyama 510 (as for the most 21-22" CRTs) is 1600x1200x85, period. The are very few CRTs capable of sharp and clear 1600x1200x100 or more and this monitor is not among them.
@@dissonant21 This is due to National Semiconductor LM2412T amplifier. A relatively good video amplifier, which, nevertheless, at a resolution of 1600x1200 at a vertical frequency above 85Hz, already begins to bring down the signal fronts. So 1600x1200x85 its practical limit (or 1280x960x100). And this particular LM2412T was popular at that time and used in most 21-22" CRTs, including SONY G520. Basically, 1600x1200x100Hz are normally displayed only by: 24" Sony FW900 and its OEM versions (HP FW9012, Sun FW9011, SGI, etc.) Hitachi FA4301 video amplifier. 21" Sony F520 (this is the picture quality limit at standard setting). OEM-versions do not exist. Tube grain 0.22, constant pitch. Any Eizo "sucks". Hitachi FA4301 video amplifier. 21" Sony F500 (slightly worse than F520 in terms of convergence, but more stable in color temperatures, much slower loses calibration as it wears out.) There are no OEM versions. Tube grain 0.22, constant pitch. Any Eizo "sucks" in terms of clarity. Hitachi video amplifier FA4301. 21" Eizo T962 (tube from Sony E500 / G500). Sanyo VPT20 video amplifier 21" Eizo T965 (tube from Sony E500 / G500). Sanyo VPS17B video amplifier 21" Eizo T966 (tube from Sony E500 / G500). Sanyo VPS17B video amplifier 21" Eizo F931 (Hitachi tube from CM821F / CM823F). Sanyo VPS13B video amplifier 21" Hitachi CM823FET (the tube is similar to CM821F, small dot pitch 0.21, this is a shadow mask, not an aperture, with all the pros and cons). Sometimes there were bad samples, the tube itself blurs. Hitachi FA4301 video amplifier. 22 "Mitsubishi RDF225WG (only some of them, those that came with an alternative video amplifier). OEM version is not available. This is the only monitor with wide gamut. Provides about 96% coverage of full Adobe RGB. Color gamut increased by changing the phosphor of the phosphors The video amplifier is either NS LM2412T or Hitachi FA4301 (in the first case there will be blur at 1600x1200x100Hz, in the second - everything is OK). That is all.
@@rashidDrums You seem fairly well informed on CRT monitors! Is there any personal recommendation you'd making for CRT monitor, which isn't 2000 euros?
@@DirectionD Hi! Any 21-22" in a good condition is rare enough. For 19" I personally may recommend SONY G400 (awesome at 1488x1116x90Hz CVT after auto image adjust - almost all pixels fit physical dots, the best custom mode for this tube). Mitsubishi 2060u is great, if in good condition, maybe even better than its successor (and last Mitsu CRT) - 2070sb. 2070sb has common clarity problems, due to a new M2 tube, which sometimes may be fixed by qualified CRT service engineer but there were non left ;( My own run of 2060u in 2020 you may sere here: ruclips.net/video/dWCrQAsMKj8/видео.html As a general rule for 17" you need at least 96kHz horizontal refresh rate (for 1280@85-90hz), for 19-22" 106 kHz (for 1600@85hz or 1280@100hz). But as I already said - any NEW CRT is an interesting thing. Regards)
Im happy with my Samsung 997MB , i get to play CSGO at 1280x720@120HZ progressive , works amazingly. I've had it for 4 years, im thinking on what to move on to, nothing convinces me yet but the Gigabyte Aorus KD25F is peeking my interest at the moment.
The Gigabyte KD25F is decent enough for an LCD, unfortunatly you have screwed yourself by owning such a nice CRT, it just won't be even in the same stratosphere of the CRT I'm afraid, and any money you spend on a LCD will just give you buyer remorse, apart from spending say £$50 on a 24" LCD that's just for internet browsing etc, to save the tuve in your CRT for the importent stuff.
@@olivermood8003 lol my 997MB only costed me 17$ , its the normal price for these in Argentina tho they're harder to find now. But yes i agree, im an old school csgo player so i can REALLY notice input lag, i can easily tell the difference between 100 and 120hz , 120 and 144 , etc. I already know it's gonna be a performance downgrade when i move on, but it's about tradeoffs.
I hate unfitting resolutions like 1800x1440 (should be 1920x1440)! I can see some stretching on the circular HUD icons! If you show us the maximum coherent resolution "2048x1536" that would be nice!
I'd recommend using CRU for interlaced resolutions, you can go up to 720Hz on some models Sadly Nvidia RTX cards dropped support for Interlaced resolutions because they're stewpid
@@CrashBashL There is alot to look for when searching for that special someone. Though, You can search on eBay for "CRT MONITOR" and there are aton of good findings there for under 150$
@@CrashBashL I would also visit CNET to search for the model of CRT you might be getting. So you can see the horizontal refresh rate (anything above 70khz is good)
@@CrashBashL Sorry for misunderstanding. Here is a good video explaning CRU and how to use it for Interlaced outputs "ruclips.net/video/UbxQsFEaws8/видео.html"
I just got my hands on a 21' Dell P1130 Trinatron monitor, can wait to set it up! Speaking of which, how did you connect it to your pc; what gpu are you using? I've got a 3080 and bought a "Sunix Tiny Universal DisplayPort Graphics Splitter", which should hopefully do the monitors max res 2048x1536. So, display port to mini display port, then VGA out to monitor. Edit: should've read your video description first!
Xbox series x will only support up to 120hz and was wondering if a CRT is faster than a 240hz monitor when both are at 120hz. Would the 240hz still on 120hz outspeed a CRT at 120hz? I know for sure the 240hz at 240hz is faster but was wondering this since I’m buying a monitor for Xbox series x.
The only games that will run at 120fps are 2d platformers like Ori for example. I would go for a decent 4k 60hz TV. If you are adamant on a monitor then get a 120hz + new monitor, a lot of modern games don't display properly on a CRT.
Nice, man ! I also appreciate CRT's more. If you want to get rid of that 2013 GTA look, you need to check out Natual Vision Evolved for GTA. It's a graphics mod the developers really put much efford in, to make it more authentic and better looking :) Worth a shot ;)
i cannot stand the response times of current lcds, even with elmb (or whatever the brand calls it) its just unbearable when looking around in 3rd person games like gta everything just blurs and hard to focus on thinking of buying a CRT i just hate motion blur so much, i hope some new display technology comes out with reduced motion blur
I've used a lot of flat panel monitors and some look truly awful, mainly non IPS models. Some however look amazing, just take my Dell 2007FP for example.
There's a sold listing for about 450 euros (not sure if shipped or local pickup) on Ebay for this monitor. Ebay keeps sold listings for 3 months. You go on Ebay if you want to find one right now. I managed to find this exact same monitor for 90 euros just a few days ago (half of that was shipping via van 2 countries away). I don't think you should ever spend Ebay prices though. No idea how long these will last and you can get a lemon (dim screen, overused). Best to always test them out before buying. And no shipping. Sellers are usually morons who don't care.
@@christian00000 Mine was 40 euros and it only has 800 hours. You can check hours in the service menu. At least I think those are hours. Look up the service manual.
Hi everyone I have the pro 510 and I dont want to replace it, but on the newer windows like 7,10,11 the picture is dark, on the xp there is option in the graphics setting in which you set the gamma value to ehat its supposed to be, but on the newer windowses there isnt that ootion, can you say how did you do the picture to be bright abd beautiful?
How good are Samsung SyncMaster? Are they at least mid tier? The ones i can get on my area are 70khz horizontal though, so i can do max 640x480 @ 135hz or 736x552 @ 120hz
i have a Samsung SyncMaster 794v, its a 17inch monitor, and its also a 70khz and you can do alot with that if you use interlaced resolutions! i play in 1440x1080i 120hz, and everything looks so pretty!
@@nihilitrix9913 Remember that gpus launched after Pascal dont support interlaced, and Polaris onwards on AMD doesnt support interlaced neither. Pascal and Radeon R9/R7/R5 300 series support interlaced. If you run your crt through a displayport adapter you cant use interlaced resolution with any gpu, its not supported in Displayport, in HDMI you can but hdmi adapters almost always limit you to 60hz unless you're extremely lucky. @Pigriel must be running his CRT on integrated graphics directly through intel motherboard VGA connector, or with a GTX 900 gpu with dvi-i adapter (which is the same as running native VGA cable, there is no conversion, its just using the 4 analog pins on the dvi-i port of the gpu).
You have no idea how bad it is for you to not run this monitor on its native connection, you're losing a lot of image quality. You should try running this with a Titan X Maxwell , through DVI-i to VGA passive adapter.
@@nicknolte8671 DAC is only used for conversion of different signals. 900 series still could display native analog signal, you'd just suffer dac loss if you used a digital cable, dvi-i carries both signals the native digital and native analog , the dvi-i to vga connector only uses the analog signal on the 4 pins on the right, the other pins are entirely for show, they may as well not be there, there is no conversion going on, is just a pin adapter.
@@juanme555 Nope, a GPU produces a digital signal and it needs the onboard DAC to convert it to an analogue signal. That's why it's on the board itself and why GPUs with no DACs don't even have VGA connectors.
@@juanme555 Even consoles that can only output analogue signals, like the PS1 or the N64 produce digital signals that have to be converted to analogue signals. That's the basis of HDMI mods, like the UltraHDMI, they tap into the digital signals before conversion happens.
Whats sad that after 10 series Nvidia gpu`s you cant use these VGA monitors properly, you need 9 series or lower , atleast for nvidia. 10 series and up dont have the proper analog chip in them, just digital, so you get ass monitor performance
You have to set a custom resolution in your card's software or in CRU. You probably won't be able to go past 160hz but even 74khz crts can do 800x600 120hz so if you have a 19" you shouldn't have to go that low for 120hz
@@dissonant21 Where did you find an adapter that works? I was able to find a VGA that supports this high resolution but I'm at a loss here, any help is appreciated.
Don't forget to sub. Thanks for watching. 👀
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@@subspls-ym4ej Thanks friend
CRTs will be always superior their response time, motion clarity and input lag are unbeatable OLED bas better response time than LCD but it still has inferior motion clarity compares to CRT .
It's down to sample and hold of LCD and oled. Backlight strobed LCD has almost CRT levels of motion clarity and input lag, especially NVIDIA ULMB2. strobed LCD is better than oled for motion clarity if it is strobed... The response time of the pixels is a secondary issue
Call me weird but this vid was really relaxing. I think it's the music, and the nostalgia, mixed with you calm voice.
Unintentional asmr
Thanks man
I have an LG Flatron F900B that is 18", and I find that huge. I can't begin to imagine how big a monitor like yours is...
Great monitor. They are hard to find now. I remember playing cs1.6 800x600 on a Sony 21' at 240hz. Incredible feel
Imagine if a company with the funds started looking at patent designs for CRT, and figured out a way to make them fit in a smaller footprint, with lighter materials, and new age technology like our new smaller capacitors and tiny ass PCB's, and gave us an ultra lightweight CRT gaming monitor for new age gaming that had widescreen capability. The only issue then would be how much delay would HDMI or Display Port add to it? Supposedly you can use HDMI to a box which converts it to analog and there is zero input lag added to the chain.... if that's true, they might be able to do HDMI direct to the new CRT design and bam, perfection.
It's not going to happen, for a variety of reasons. I'm pretty sure patents expired, that's why you had a clone of Trinitron like Diamondtron (which this monitor is). So that's not an issue. And DP/HDMi solution wouldn't be a problem.
There are other problems.
Harmful chemicals needed to produce CRTs. I'm pretty sure there are regulations in place in many countries which would limit the production of CRTs severely, especially in the EU.
Weight and size. Most of the weight is in the the tube (front), not capacitors and PCBs.
Brightness (the best results for CRTs is when you use them in dark rooms).
Power.
The fact no one cares about PC monitors. Like really. Look at monitors today. They all suck. It's not really all that profitable. The profit is in TVs.
There was the FED (field emission display) technology, but that died out because of the 2008 global financial crisis. It had most of the advantages of CRTs, it just couldn't multiscan (switch to different resolutions, it would be fixed like an LCD).
The vast majority of people just simply do not care. Businesses don't care about image quality, unless they're businesses that rely on it (and you can make reference monitors just for them that cost an arm and a leg).
Micro LED technology is probably going to be the be-all and end-all technology. All of the advantages of OLED, with none of the disadvantages. But who knows how far away we are from that as they're having trouble making smaller diagonals. With the pandemic and recession, it might even be delayed. We might see more companies making OLED screens - so far, only LG makes those panels for TVs in just two of their factories. In a couple of years, the production might become ubiquitous.
Sadly SED and FED tech was dropped, we would have 65" plus CRT quality displays by now, the one single thing they couldn't do is multi sync but with such awsome scaling tech we have now that wouldn't have been a big deal I won't think, retro and classic content properly upscaled to 4K/8K on CRT tech would look phenomenal no doubt. We do at last have commercial 24/27/32" OLED RGB monitors about to hit the market, though they are 60Hz and very expensive, so it will still be awhile until it's worth getting one, as soon as a high refresh rate 32" OLED RGB is out at a decent price I'm there.
@@Frolsa84 This is exactly why there are no glossy PC Monitors left and all the TVs have the best glossy display, its cheaper and easier to make a bunch of shitty matte finish LCD panels and sell it to everybody. Only apple still makes quality LCD glossy displays but they cost a lot
No lag with passive hdmi to vga box
This monitor features the glorious Diamondtron NF tube, which is the best tube in my opinion. It offers a sense of depth and crispness unlike any other tube I've seen, including the top-end Trinitrons I've encountered (except maybe the the G520 and the old GDM series from the 90's (500/400/200ps, 20SHT and so on). Also, it has much smoother motion than any other tube in my experience.
I recommend you grab an NF monitor soon as you see it, you most likely won't regret it. It never really got the spotlight but boy does it deserve it. It's also featured in the Lacie Electron Blue IV, the ViewSonic P225f (although this one isn't directly called NF, the tube itself IS it for all I know). Also, there's the Iiyama 511 (MA201d), the Samsung 900/959nf, and of course, Mitsu's own 900/920u/2060u, as well as their smaller counterparts. These are just a few models that I know of, there's got to be much more than that.
So yeah, NFs all round
I wish they were easy to find, you make it sound like they're easily available lol, I'd give a kidney for one of those and yet I still can't find any.
So clean and sharp picture❤
I m really sad that most of now time monitors bluring picture because of cheap technology(
I had an Iiyama Vision Master 1451 19" CRT, what a beast, the thing weight half as much as I do! I used to haul the thing off to LAN parties in the early 2000's lol. Mine wasn't as high end as this, I used to run it at 1280 x 1024 @ 85hz
Screen tearing occurs on CRTs , just like other static refresh rate displays, when the frame rate of the game exceeds the display's refresh rate.
The only ways to avoid tearing on static/fixed refresh rate displays is to use V-Sync or to cap the game's frame rate.
I hope one day the LCD technology will be of the same quality as the CRT.
Looks incredible man, jealous.
I wish finding a good 21 - 22 inch CRT wasn't so freaking hard... Damn it, I just want to go to the store or order one online like a normal consumer without having to jump through hoops to get one or have to dish out ridiculous amounts of money... 😒😒
We all do, we all do 😢😓😞
It's so smooth,no tearing,no blur,barely any input lag. Looks amazing.
No real lag. Nothing you could notice.
Amazing colors, refresh rate performance and zero input lag but text is blury on 100\120Hz modes. Awesome for gaming, poor for reading text
I was slated by supposedly intelligent work colleagues, oh in about 2003, because they were all extremely excited about the new thin and flat TN panels. They picture quality was awful and insanely expensive. Yet everyone was banging on about how much desk space they (actually didn’t) save. I stuck with my Mitsubishi Diamondtron for years until I was forced to buy a panel in 2010. I still remember the idiot sitting next to me trying to rub out the stuck pixels on his new £399 15” screen which couldn’t even display colours evenly from top to bottom. Moron!
I had a Samsung syncmaster 19” TN it went straight in the bin
Watching it on a modern iiyama G-Master 1440p 144hz monitor!
Fun fact you can see 120hz and higher on a 60fps recording since the camera basically resamples it
what are you talking bro 💀
60 is 60
120 is 120
60 in not 120
it like you say that you see 120fps a game who run at 120fps on a 1hz screen just impossible
@@fazer3100 You clearly have no idea about resampling. If you actually took the time to record a 60 hz screen with 60 fps and 120hz screen with 60fps you would be able to tell the difference.
Wooow those CRT are one of the best
The color accuracy is insane, it looks so good. How much luminescence / nitsare you getting from it?
Haven't measured it but it's not the brightest thing in the world. If you turn the brightness up it washes out.
Doesn't this have the 2 superbright settings? Could you post a video examining this particular aspect about it. There's a lot of talk about the 2 superbrightness modes causing massive colorbleeding.
@@wirysage I don't think it has it
How the hell can you tell how good "color accuracy" is from this video.
Excellent objective test of CRT monitors, to finally recognize their qualities, where the bottom hurts, it is the flat screens with high refreshrate frequencies but which in the end, on recent games are forced to activate the V sync, in the end they only play in 60hz or even 30 depending on the game, such as RDR2 for example, for the lack of TEARING. Tearing is hell for me, when the color settings ditto, the range of settings on LCD is often too much, which means that from one source to another, we are constantly obliged to spend time in the settings , ditto for CRT TV vs flat screen.
hl1 on 100hz crt must been peak pcmr back in the day
Nice videos mate! I'm a fan of CRT too. Hope you'll do more videos. Subscribed✅
Thanks Yura
The Iiyama Vision Master Pro 510 is one of the last MONSTERS of a CRT-Monitor. I had one a couple of years ago. I´m happy that i was able to replace it with a hp p1230 for free!
who else felt like their eyes relaxed a bit when watching this full screen
Me
I was about to get rid of my old crt HP from my old pc. I have a 32' 1080 screen. But man, old games look awfull on the flat screen. Crt's were amazing. Old games didnt look bad thanks to that technology
REcomend the Half-Life remake Black Mesa to be played on a CRT if you have one, a nice CRT plus the updated textures etc is next level and by far the best way to enjoy the game.
i have a gaming monitor and the amount of hours meansuring which setting is better give me sure that a CRT monitor is the way to gaming, after all, my gaming montior is nothing compared with this no input lag CRT.
Recently got an as new Hyundai ImageQuest CRT and the image quality in just incredible, anything from SNES & MegaDrive games with beautiful big fat scanlines to the latest titles at high refresh rates just looks so good, vivid inky colours and blacks, bright and vibrant with an instant response time, no motion blur which given that I got so used to LCD's is pretty incredible. I had forgotten just how much better a good CRT monitor is over even my "latest and greatest" gaming LCD, it just looks so pants next to the CRT, not to mention the lag. Gaming is a lot more fun of CRT that's for sure. I will be more than happy to use CRT until a decent OLED monitor with high refresh rates comes out, that's the only thing that can come close to a CRT monitor, a 16:10 32" 144Hz OLED RGB monitor under 1000, then it will be worth upgrading, the bigger sizes and slightly better blacks will just about make up for it falling a bit short of CRT's still, i.e. OLED still is fixed pixel display and has motion blur, I think CRT will always be best for 4:3 retro stuff though.
If you want a Tv today that mimics these colors either buy a Oled or a tv with a description of "plasma rich like colors" I have a 1080p tv i bought thats a led but has plasma rich like colors and it is beautiful.
@@Brain_Food- OLD is great and much closer to CRT quality but still not as good is CRT, especially in a few important areas, also It's monitor displays for gaming that I'm interested in, unfortunately OLED has too much motion blur to replace CRT, they will eventually have high refresh rate OLED available though should do a good enough job at least, LED is even worse for motion resolution and response, I would never spend a penny on LCD/LED/QLED/ETC it's just not for me, then there is the fact that OLED is still fixed pixel, CRT is mutiscan. OLED will get there eventually and be available in monitor sizes.
@@Wobble2007 They can release a tv that can compare to a CRT with the technology we have today, but they won't because of money to be made. the huge downside of CRT was the weight which many people gave up on. I recently found me a dell m992 in the trash and saved it which i plan on keeping because there's really nothing that compares.
@@Wobble2007 Plasma tv was the closest thing to a CRT tv in terms of color and blacks. There's videos on here showing a plasma next to a oled and they look identical.
@@Brain_Food- I've never actually just stumbled across a goodCRT like that before so well done, had to pay good money for my CRT's.
if you are asking, why this monitors colors are so fu good
becouse this monitor is referance monitor. Not a regular crt :)
I love CRTs, just wish if I had one now
I play rdr 2 max out ultra except mirror and water graphics at 55 to 60 fps in city
I7 2600
8gb
120gb
Gtx 970 sc 4gb
Sony 20 inch crtv 165hz
I play on 1024x768 resolution and max setting all at 4gb vram
With crtv monitor i have incredible fps boost and 1024x768 looks way better than todays 4k 120hz i play every nee game maxed out on these resolutions with 60plus and 100plus fps
0 response delay 0 input delay incredible 16xmsaa natural anti aliasing this monitors have its truly a gem for me i play doom eternal at 120 fps 120hz max setting every single game looks incredibly better than my 4k ps4 pro samsung tv
I find it pretty hard to believe that 1/10th the pixels will give you a better overall experience in either clarity or picture quality.
Makes me sad how people have been so duped by marketing over the years....
What are you talking about?
@@sn0wt1ger normies ruining everything
@@kekethetoadnoooo not my feeling of being unique!! stop enjoying things!!
@@joxituk cry harder and get another booster
@kekethetoad what are you talking about how is this even related to vaccines
LCD was a cop out to stop the evolution of CRTs
@@Elektribe
Cheaper to buy as well, no decent CRT was ever as cheap as some of the best LCD's out there.
They diffinetly killed CRT of as soon as possible, CRTs had already gotten to an incredible point of image clarity and technical feat, I canny imagine what an 8K Sony CRT would look like given how lifelike a modern game looks on a top end Sony CRT already. Next gen on CRT is just a sight to behold and makes it so much more enjoyable to play on.
@@juanme555 Even the best modern LCD's are way behind in motion clarity + contrast ratio compared to a CRT. A 100$ CRT from 2005 is miles ahead of a 250$ gaming LCD from 2021 when it comes to gaming + general motion clarity. LCD is just a horrible technology.
@@Elektribe Exactly. I'm looking at my GDM-W900 right now (42 kg) and you could probably stack five 24" (in truth the W900 is 22.5", not 24") LED monitors in the space it took to ship this beast. And a lot of CRTs died during shipping (same with plasmas I believe).
SED was supposed to be the next evolution, but those dickheads invested billions into LCD instead.
when you were in the Nvidia Control panel making the resolution .. remember that 1800x1440 is 5:4, you want to use 4:3 which is 1920x1440, also you should switch form automatic CRT timing to CVT. you'll notice your KHz go up, every time you change the resolution switch to auto then back to CVT, youll notice the NV CPL will update the total , active, and all the pixel timings properly... i noticed in your video that your resolution was running at 1280x1024 active pixels at 120hz which is easy, but you cant actually run native 1920x1440 at 120hz on that iiyama, it would go well above the KHz range of the monitor.. youd want to stay below the max KHz range which may be 130 or 140 depending on your panel. Just a pro-tip. :) DELL P1130 owner here, its a 21" PC CRT trinitron, so specs between our two panels are very close. I LOVE MINE, motion clarity is best in the world, bar-none, hands-down #1, and i can to 1336x1002 @ 120Hz, at just about 130KHz. :)
i have a dell p1130 too
i keep it at 1280x1024 @118hz
as a sidenote do you know a good method to calibrate the chroma? or do you keep it with preset colors?
@@sebmeister67 I used a DTP94 Colorimeter and the White Point Balance Guide form the forums [H]ardOCP. google it and you wil lfidn it. :)
You look like you know a lot about crts my sony trinitron cpd201vs isnt working with interlaced it is capable of 1280x1024 or 120hz i have it plugged in through a simple displayport to vga adapter
@@CrispyStrahan interlaced only works through HDMI on nvidia GPUs.. NVIDIA doesnt seem to be able to do interlaced over displayport. :) so get an hDMI to VGA adapter for interlaced
@@CubanLegend561 i have amd rx 570 would it work through displayport on that as i already have one
Thanks for the really good Video (might be old but I just found it). I play exclusively on the 514Pro for over a year now and I can say with confidence that it´s the best Monitor I ever used fror modern PC gaming. My RTX3080 can even VSync 60fps with Pathtracing enabled in cyberpunk 2077 (DLSS balanced, 1440p 60Hz) and imho 60Hz looks just as smooth and much sharper in movement than my LCD even at 144Hz.
Because CTR flicker. This gives a dynamic sharpness
did i see that right 125hz ? and i see some how crt always have a clear pic unlike lcd
It's 120hz. I might have been playing with other settings before. You can get a clear picture and more brightness on an LCD but not this colour accuracy or motion. Thanks for watching!
@@dissonant21 most welcome i am thinking of getting a crt
There's definitely tearing on a CRT, just like any other display tech, given the same v-sync setting.
yes but vsync do not alway help with tearing
@@fazer3100 it does, always. If it doesn't, It's not properly engaged.
I sold my GDM-FW900 five years ago for £300 worst regret I’ve had selling something :(
Massive owch there, if I had one you'd have to pry it out if my cold, dead hands.
ouch
That's not a bad price. Yes, you could've gotten more today or the FW900's flyback could have gone by now. They're notorious for that.
@@Frolsa84 got my FW900 few days ago for 400 USD. Is it worth keeping my Dell P1110 for spare parts? Heard their flyback is compatible with the one in FW900.
@@adamplechaty I have no clue if it's compatible or not tbh. I would definitely keep it as they have different aspect ratios.
Dell Trinitron monitor cult
Found this one last year, got from my Neighbor for free.
Now they cost lot of money...on my local facebook under $300 can't find it
Ahh I remember seeing those for sale in some PC Mag back in the day! Along with those ads for ‘Gateway’ computers. 🐮🐄
Where can I buy a monitor like this?
CRT monitors have not been produced anymore for over a decade now. The only way to buy one is to buy one used somewhere.
Could you tell me other monitor brands that come close to this quality and speed. I’m an old gamer and would love to get my hands on an old crt to get back into quake, cs1.6 and Starcraft brood wars.
You also should try modern games, try playing Metro or resident evil games, even the old ones,try playing crysis 1 or 2 on it too.
Hp p1230, mitsubishi diamond 2070sb, sony f520, phillips brilliance 202p4, nokia 445pro, viewsonic p225f. And my iiyama vision mastrr pro 514, .. 454 is also perfect.
It depends on what country you are.
Try your best to get a monitor with at least 93kHz , and no matter what avoid the ones with less than 70kHz.
If you're in South America you should be able to easily get the higher end Samsung, LG and HP monitors, they are usually mid-high end, like the one i have, its a Samsung Syncmaster 997MB which i bought from ML (most famous site in my country, Argentina) , only coasted me 25U$D and it can do 1280x720 at 120hz.
If you're in the U.S you should be able to get the higher end Dell, iiyama and NEC CRT's , which are usually better than mine, lots of models that can do 101kHz , also eBay in U.S.A had some top tier LaCie CRT's selling all the time last year in 2021.
If you're in Germany or UK you're extremely lucky, you can easily get a bunch of Sony Trinitron models, usually for less than 100 Euros too, all great monitors with well above 90kHz , really reliable and amazing picture quality.
But before you buy a CRT, remember to make sure you have, ideally, a gpu with a DVI-i port, if you got a newer and more powerful gpu, you'll have to use an adapter which will strongly downgrade image quality, so try to get the best possible adapter you can get, and make sure you got enough space in your desktop.
ps: CSGO and modern games look AMAZING on a CRT!
@@juanme555 I’m in the US. I have pc built just for the older titles. And yes of course, I installed an rx 480 that has dvi ports and saved my dvi to vga adapters over the years. I never checked eBay so thank you for that suggestion. I’ve been searching on local OfferUp and Facebook market place but in the last few months not even 1 crt has been posted. Thank you for the reply
@@juanme555 amazing comment, let's not forget about the dell p1130 that is a 130khz monitor
This game was great on PC after I bought it late (and followed tips on reddit to boost performance).
I used a CRT TV and Monitor until 2010 as the giant 40 inch LCD tv i had back in 2007 was awful, nice to have a big screen but back then the picture had a washed out look and if you were not looking dead centre the picture would turn like a negative in a photo, we have got better now with LCDs and OLEDS but still the CRT is king for gaming
I have a sony trinitron capable of 1280x1024 or 120hz max horizontal hz is 70khz but i cant get interlaced to work i have an rx570 and i just use a displayport to vga adapter
I can't get it to work either
Hey, how's your monitor doing, still playing on it?
nvidia graphics cards aren't supporting interlaced anymore, since the gtx 1080 ti
You have to use the 411.70 game ready drivers as they broke interlacing when they added DLSS 1
537.58 game ready drivers also work @@M.T_Chimpanski
I have 19" CRT iiyama 456
I use a 21" consumer set Sharp crt for modern games its on 50hz but ah its a charm
Nice Video 💯👍🏻
We've had one of these in the office storage, dug it out today and it works beautifully. The Reddit post i found this on mentioned £100 being cheap. What would you expect them to go for?
Depends on size and brand
More Proof that CRTs are better than todays Screens
sure you have a $100 chinese LCD
CRTS were built to last. Like most things back then and in good quality, too.
@@WTM.23 he definitely have $100 Chinese LCD cause my Made In Japan Eizo LCD especailly their VA model like EV2333w which I have can look just as good as CRT
why people buying TurboCrapLoud(TCL) and Low-Sense (Hisense) think it's a good idea. look luck making Chinese crap last 10 years. I have no choice but buying LCD TV so Sony XBR4 is the closet thing I can get to CRT TV
@@Brain_Food- They had to be built to last due to the limitations of the technology, the vacuum tube technology of the display required extremely thick and durable glass to withstand atmospheric pressure. Not to mention that the glass could be potentially deadly if shattered.
@@epitaph3988 They had to be well made because of radiation which the tube shoots out towards the screen. That's why the screen is made like it is. And why it is so heavy.
Question, could I use a 7800xt gpu, I have a displayport 2.1, could I put a vga adapter for a CRT monitor in that dp and also a question, is it compatible with triple A games and the next ones?
When you use adapters from digital to analog, you get input lag. In my case, I use a gtx 970 windforce which has a dvi-i port. I use an adapter from dvi-i to vga (analog to analog = no inputlag) I use 2 cards in one computer (gtx 970 = analog and rtx 2060 and everything working fine. It feels so smooth playing on a crt monitor 💯💯💯💯
On that aspect ratio: most pc crt monitors are 5:4 not 4:3. And to get the resolutions working you can force a compatible resolution through tweaking the config file of the game in question.
Yeah I think the active resolution is 1280 X 1024 @ 120 but was just playing with something that worked with the geometry at the time.
@@dissonant21ah good to know.
Most PC CRT's are 4:3, if not all, except the Apple ones. But running 5:4 resolutions were common for some reason, particularly the 1280x1024 resolution, as opposed to 1280x960
Optimal mode for this Iiyama 510 (as for the most 21-22" CRTs) is 1600x1200x85, period. The are very few CRTs capable of sharp and clear 1600x1200x100 or more and this monitor is not among them.
Yeah I was a noob
@@dissonant21 This is due to National Semiconductor LM2412T amplifier. A relatively good video amplifier, which, nevertheless, at a resolution of 1600x1200 at a vertical frequency above 85Hz, already begins to bring down the signal fronts. So 1600x1200x85 its practical limit (or 1280x960x100). And this particular LM2412T was popular at that time and used in most 21-22" CRTs, including SONY G520.
Basically, 1600x1200x100Hz are normally displayed only by:
24" Sony FW900 and its OEM versions (HP FW9012, Sun FW9011, SGI, etc.) Hitachi FA4301 video amplifier.
21" Sony F520 (this is the picture quality limit at standard setting). OEM-versions do not exist. Tube grain 0.22, constant pitch. Any Eizo "sucks". Hitachi FA4301 video amplifier.
21" Sony F500 (slightly worse than F520 in terms of convergence, but more stable in color temperatures, much slower loses calibration as it wears out.) There are no OEM versions. Tube grain 0.22, constant pitch. Any Eizo "sucks" in terms of clarity. Hitachi video amplifier FA4301.
21" Eizo T962 (tube from Sony E500 / G500). Sanyo VPT20 video amplifier
21" Eizo T965 (tube from Sony E500 / G500). Sanyo VPS17B video amplifier
21" Eizo T966 (tube from Sony E500 / G500). Sanyo VPS17B video amplifier
21" Eizo F931 (Hitachi tube from CM821F / CM823F). Sanyo VPS13B video amplifier
21" Hitachi CM823FET (the tube is similar to CM821F, small dot pitch 0.21, this is a shadow mask, not an aperture, with all the pros and cons). Sometimes there were bad samples, the tube itself blurs. Hitachi FA4301 video amplifier.
22 "Mitsubishi RDF225WG (only some of them, those that came with an alternative video amplifier). OEM version is not available. This is the only monitor with wide gamut. Provides about 96% coverage of full Adobe RGB. Color gamut increased by changing the phosphor of the phosphors The video amplifier is either NS LM2412T or Hitachi FA4301 (in the first case there will be blur at 1600x1200x100Hz, in the second - everything is OK).
That is all.
@@rashidDrums You seem fairly well informed on CRT monitors!
Is there any personal recommendation you'd making for CRT monitor, which isn't 2000 euros?
@@DirectionD Hi! Any 21-22" in a good condition is rare enough. For 19" I personally may recommend SONY G400 (awesome at 1488x1116x90Hz CVT after auto image adjust - almost all pixels fit physical dots, the best custom mode for this tube). Mitsubishi 2060u is great, if in good condition, maybe even better than its successor (and last Mitsu CRT) - 2070sb. 2070sb has common clarity problems, due to a new M2 tube, which sometimes may be fixed by qualified CRT service engineer but there were non left ;( My own run of 2060u in 2020 you may sere here: ruclips.net/video/dWCrQAsMKj8/видео.html As a general rule for 17" you need at least 96kHz horizontal refresh rate (for 1280@85-90hz), for 19-22" 106 kHz (for 1600@85hz or 1280@100hz). But as I already said - any NEW CRT is an interesting thing. Regards)
@@rashidDrums do you know whether the SGI 5411 is a rebranded G500? What do you think of that monitor?
Im happy with my Samsung 997MB , i get to play CSGO at 1280x720@120HZ progressive , works amazingly.
I've had it for 4 years, im thinking on what to move on to, nothing convinces me yet but the Gigabyte Aorus KD25F is peeking my interest at the moment.
The Gigabyte KD25F is decent enough for an LCD, unfortunatly you have screwed yourself by owning such a nice CRT, it just won't be even in the same stratosphere of the CRT I'm afraid, and any money you spend on a LCD will just give you buyer remorse, apart from spending say £$50 on a 24" LCD that's just for internet browsing etc, to save the tuve in your CRT for the importent stuff.
@@olivermood8003
lol my 997MB only costed me 17$ , its the normal price for these in Argentina tho they're harder to find now.
But yes i agree, im an old school csgo player so i can REALLY notice input lag, i can easily tell the difference between 100 and 120hz , 120 and 144 , etc.
I already know it's gonna be a performance downgrade when i move on, but it's about tradeoffs.
@@juanme555 Yeah I would happily pay a lot more for a nice Sammy CRT like that, good for you mate.
I hate unfitting resolutions like 1800x1440 (should be 1920x1440)! I can see some stretching on the circular HUD icons! If you show us the maximum coherent resolution "2048x1536" that would be nice!
This monitor is best used for 1600×1200 gaming.
How much u got this for?
£100
I'd recommend using CRU for interlaced resolutions, you can go up to 720Hz on some models
Sadly Nvidia RTX cards dropped support for Interlaced resolutions because they're stewpid
Pleas tell me more.
I am searching for something to buy but it must be available and the right choice.
@@CrashBashL There is alot to look for when searching for that special someone.
Though, You can search on eBay for "CRT MONITOR" and there are aton of good findings there for under 150$
@@CrashBashL I would also visit CNET to search for the model of CRT you might be getting. So you can see the horizontal refresh rate (anything above 70khz is good)
@@catfree I mean about the CRU.
@@CrashBashL Sorry for misunderstanding. Here is a good video explaning CRU and how to use it for Interlaced outputs "ruclips.net/video/UbxQsFEaws8/видео.html"
I just got my hands on a 21' Dell P1130 Trinatron monitor, can wait to set it up!
Speaking of which, how did you connect it to your pc; what gpu are you using?
I've got a 3080 and bought a "Sunix Tiny Universal DisplayPort Graphics Splitter", which should hopefully do the monitors max res 2048x1536. So, display port to mini display port, then VGA out to monitor.
Edit: should've read your video description first!
Please use windas with ttl connector to calibrate it then it is gorgeous
Lmao i used to play RDR2 on my crt monitor when i was stuck with a GTX960
Xbox series x will only support up to 120hz and was wondering if a CRT is faster than a 240hz monitor when both are at 120hz. Would the 240hz still on 120hz outspeed a CRT at 120hz? I know for sure the 240hz at 240hz is faster but was wondering this since I’m buying a monitor for Xbox series x.
The only games that will run at 120fps are 2d platformers like Ori for example. I would go for a decent 4k 60hz TV. If you are adamant on a monitor then get a 120hz + new monitor, a lot of modern games don't display properly on a CRT.
@@dissonant21 as far as input lag goes out of the 2 monitors I mentioned which one would have the lower input lag at 120hz for competitive gaming
@@User_3303_ a CRT but you won't be able to play anything competitive properly because of the aspect ratio.
@@dissonant21 would that be a problem if I had a Sony gdm or trinitron
@@User_3303_ Sony GDM will work if you can find one and have 3k lol
Should have waited,
Skip hunting is the best way to find such treasures.
Epic.
If I have an hdmi + vga for a crt monitor it would also affect
looks epic
Nice, man ! I also appreciate CRT's more.
If you want to get rid of that 2013 GTA look, you need to check out Natual Vision Evolved for GTA.
It's a graphics mod the developers really put much efford in, to make it more authentic and better looking :)
Worth a shot ;)
So what's the next big thing after Sony FW900 for modern PC/PS5 gaming ?!
This TV?
I'd like it to be 16:9 - 16:10.
@@gAGE1207 Ok, but it's not true. :)
Even your eye sight is 16:9 or 21:9... simple put: "wide".
Nice vid dude.
What a Statech adapter you used?
Where did you buy this?
Also I'm rocking a DELL E772P at 160Hz 1024x768
Nice man. eBay.
I want this crt, where can i afford one?
I also use a crt monitor i am happy with that😀
Bartell Locks
i cannot stand the response times of current lcds, even with elmb (or whatever the brand calls it) its just unbearable when looking around in 3rd person games like gta everything just blurs and hard to focus on
thinking of buying a CRT i just hate motion blur so much, i hope some new display technology comes out with reduced motion blur
It already exists, it's called OLED but it has other issues.
OLED motion sucks, especially on 30fps console games. It's stuttery AND blurry.
What Resolution youre playing at?
I've used a lot of flat panel monitors and some look truly awful, mainly non IPS models. Some however look amazing, just take my Dell 2007FP for example.
Does this monitor have s video input? I heard somewhere that some of the later European models had actual composite jacks
Only like $1000 on ebay.
There's a sold listing for about 450 euros (not sure if shipped or local pickup) on Ebay for this monitor. Ebay keeps sold listings for 3 months.
You go on Ebay if you want to find one right now. I managed to find this exact same monitor for 90 euros just a few days ago (half of that was shipping via van 2 countries away). I don't think you should ever spend Ebay prices though. No idea how long these will last and you can get a lemon (dim screen, overused). Best to always test them out before buying. And no shipping. Sellers are usually morons who don't care.
lol bought one a couple weeks ago for 20 euros
it's $5000 now so you might as well buy Apple XDR Monitor instead
@@christian00000 Mine was 40 euros and it only has 800 hours. You can check hours in the service menu. At least I think those are hours. Look up the service manual.
There has been rumors spreading that its maximum refresh rate is 700hz if the resolution drops to 120p.
Very nice
Hi everyone I have the pro 510 and I dont want to replace it, but on the newer windows like 7,10,11 the picture is dark, on the xp there is option in the graphics setting in which you set the gamma value to ehat its supposed to be, but on the newer windowses there isnt that ootion, can you say how did you do the picture to be bright abd beautiful?
On windows 11 and I assume on older versions there is a setting called calibrate display color. You can use that to fix the gamma.
@Brandon_Mishima thank you Brandon for the answer, I still don't have win11 but I'll get it and try thanks a lot!
How good are Samsung SyncMaster? Are they at least mid tier? The ones i can get on my area are 70khz horizontal though, so i can do max 640x480 @ 135hz or 736x552 @ 120hz
i have a Samsung SyncMaster 794v, its a 17inch monitor, and its also a 70khz and you can do alot with that if you use interlaced resolutions! i play in 1440x1080i 120hz, and everything looks so pretty!
@@CoolPig03 How is the picture quality when watching movies and TV shows on interlaced mode?
@@nihilitrix9913
Remember that gpus launched after Pascal dont support interlaced, and Polaris onwards on AMD doesnt support interlaced neither.
Pascal and Radeon R9/R7/R5 300 series support interlaced.
If you run your crt through a displayport adapter you cant use interlaced resolution with any gpu, its not supported in Displayport, in HDMI you can but hdmi adapters almost always limit you to 60hz unless you're extremely lucky.
@Pigriel must be running his CRT on integrated graphics directly through intel motherboard VGA connector, or with a GTX 900 gpu with dvi-i adapter (which is the same as running native VGA cable, there is no conversion, its just using the 4 analog pins on the dvi-i port of the gpu).
What are the best GPUs that support interlacing?
@@xylem2202 GeForce 10 series was the last generation that supported interlaced. 1080 Ti was the finest one in that generation.
It's awsome iiyama is soo fucking god
what's the max hz you can get on 1280x960?
You have no idea how bad it is for you to not run this monitor on its native connection, you're losing a lot of image quality.
You should try running this with a Titan X Maxwell , through DVI-i to VGA passive adapter.
Definitely don't look good at all on video
Even GPUs with VGA connections (or DVI) have a DAC on them. The 900 series is notorious for bad DACs.
@@nicknolte8671
DAC is only used for conversion of different signals.
900 series still could display native analog signal, you'd just suffer dac loss if you used a digital cable, dvi-i carries both signals the native digital and native analog , the dvi-i to vga connector only uses the analog signal on the 4 pins on the right, the other pins are entirely for show, they may as well not be there, there is no conversion going on, is just a pin adapter.
@@juanme555 Nope, a GPU produces a digital signal and it needs the onboard DAC to convert it to an analogue signal. That's why it's on the board itself and why GPUs with no DACs don't even have VGA connectors.
@@juanme555 Even consoles that can only output analogue signals, like the PS1 or the N64 produce digital signals that have to be converted to analogue signals. That's the basis of HDMI mods, like the UltraHDMI, they tap into the digital signals before conversion happens.
Can i oc my 60hz monitor? i bought it for 165 usd.
also my gpu is rtx 2060
What is it?
@@dissonant21 viewsonic monitor
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What resolution?
What is the response time? Also this is the monitor for sleeper pcs
Instant response times.
@@jackhakken 0 ms. But the less motion blur isn't the shorter response time but yes the persistence time. :)
Whats sad that after 10 series Nvidia gpu`s you cant use these VGA monitors properly, you need 9 series or lower , atleast for nvidia. 10 series and up dont have the proper analog chip in them, just digital, so you get ass monitor performance
delock 62967
@@danielnikiforov3109 I had a delock but it didnt work
@@dissonant21 Strange, I use a gtx 1080ti, mitsubishi diamond pro 2020u/vision master 454, delock 62967, windows 10. Everything works for me.
@@danielnikiforov3109 the adapter was just faulty I think, wouldn’t fit properly.
I just used a $2 hdmi to vga adapter and it works, 1280x1024@120hz interlaced
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When u spend all ur money on RGB lol😂
What do you mean?
Good quality CRT monitors are actually really expensive, just look up how much sony PVM monitors cost.
Anyone know how to get higher than 120 on these monitors? I have a few that can go higher when@800x600. Windows doesn’t give that option.
You have to set a custom resolution in your card's software or in CRU. You probably won't be able to go past 160hz but even 74khz crts can do 800x600 120hz so if you have a 19" you shouldn't have to go that low for 120hz
Also try interlaced Mode using CRU.
@@moussebelmondo Yep I can recommend it. I can easily get 160Hz at 1024x768i on my 71khz CRT :)
How do you manage to get more than 60Hz? modern graphics cards does not have analog output, if you use adapters there's limitations to 60hz...
Don't really know it just works with an adapter
Nope, the 60Hz is just advertised spec, adapters can go beyond that. Delock 6xxxx and 8xxxx (not sure of exact model numbers) go beyond 60Hz easy.
Delock 87685 has a pixel clock of over 400 MHz and can do 2048x1536 @ 85 Hz.
@@dissonant21 Where did you find an adapter that works? I was able to find a VGA that supports this high resolution but I'm at a loss here, any help is appreciated.
That monitor can do 300-380hz hense why it’s so expensive now
The thing is you don't even need high refresh rates on a crt. You can get instant response time and perfect motion clarity at 75hz
120 fps!?omg
Saying there is no tearing on a CRT is false. You get tearing just like you do on LCD.