The Mystery of the Fender Bass VI
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- In this video, we talk about the history and pros and cons of the Fender Bass VI. Is it a guitar or a bass? We discuss if from the bass player's perspective, and compare its tone it to other Fender bass instruments.
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OK, sounds like you dig the visual spectrogram comparison vibes. What else do you want to see?
Love to see how drums and bass mix together before and after guitar and or keys are mixed in!
I'd like to see this applied to different pickups, wood types, bolt-on vs. set neck vs. neck-through, and any other things that guitarists (and bassists) argue about where their "tone" comes form.
I'd like to see this kind of analysis with how a bass fits in with the whole band.
I kinda want to see like a breakdown of a segment of a song, like the chords makeup with the melody and baselines and how all that is working with the undertones.
I would love to see a comparison between different plucking positions on the same bass, with some kind of distortion after. To see just which overtones make the differences that I hear and what I can do with an eq before distortion.
The bass VI champion has been and still is Robert Smith of The Cure. In some of their songs there are two bass VI’s plus a regular bass playing at the same time. Not only in studio recordings but live in concert too. They are currently playing shows in Latin America.
I love how the VI is used in Fascination street. What a brutal tone, it's killer.
@@WilDBeestMF Funny thing is, it isn't. Just in the video, for looks. It's all guitars in that song, and a standard bass. If you listen to the individual tracks, you can hear that Simon's using the MusicMan in the studio like he was until that point.
@@eboethrasher ???
Check it, man. It's double tracked.
The other band that used it a lot is “The Church” of under the Milky Way fame. Their album Priest=Aura it’s the main bass on the album.
Also Horsegirl - which is new 3 piece made up of 3 girls doing early 2000’s style indie guitar rock use it as the main bass too.
Super quality content as always. Inspiring a crowd of smooth bass enjoyers to expand their knowledge evermore.
Keep up with the vibes.
Fender Worked around the Floppy Low E String problem by bumping up the gauges of the 3 Lowest strings a little bit so now we have a 24-100 Gauge set.
That’s funny, when the Cure recorded Primary (which is just two P-basses and drums) - Robert Smith said he tried to record it on a Bass VI (the song was written on it) - but he said the bottom strings were too floppy and would buzz, so they used the two P basses.
Peter Greens legendary solo in “Green manalishi live” was on a fender bass VI
Thanks for sharing!
@@philipconradmusic no worries,
Make America great again.
Glen Campbell played one on the Bass Solo on Wichita Lineman.
I only have a Squier jazz bass, and have always wanted a Fender P bass, now I want one even more!! 😕
One of the best things money can buy 🤷♂️
Someday 🤞
05:43 you're telling me every note out of this instrument is a Dom7 chord? That's so crazy! Why is it specifically a Dom7 chord? Is this like proof that the blues is somehow like the most based kind of music? Like why is it a b7 and not a maj7? That's gnar!
The overtone stuff is crazy. I have only scratched the surface. Thanks for watching!
This is amazing! I’d love to see other spectral comparisons. Round vs flat vs tapes, pbass muted vs unmuted, jbass with fingers at neck vs bridge pickup… wow!
one more: four G on the same neck; 15th fret of E string, 10 on A, 5 on D, and open, what does that different timbre look like!?
Yeah man! I think I’m going to use the spectogram comparison a lot more. Such a fun way to see sounds. Glad you dig it!
@@philipconradmusichow about some stingray action too?
@@philipconradmusic please please please do single coil P vs split coil P!
@@brunocyclistGreat suggestion I'd love to hear a 'forensic' A/B analysis of the differences
The low E on an electric bass is actually 41hz and the first interval is an octave, its hard for pickups to accurately pick up (if you will...) those sub frequencies which is why you see the peak at 82hz (first order harmonic) of what you are playing. Thanks for covering the Bass VI as it is a weird forgotten about piece of history!
You would know this! Thanks dude. Glad to see you on the channel. Hope the gig went well! ⚡️
Cure fans never forget about the Bass VI ;)
The bass VI is the El Camino of guitars………..
Cure’s in between days Is a great example of a bass and bass vi having their own space.
I would recommend adjusting the tone knob in conjunction with the strangle circuit. Fender doesn't tell you this in the specs, but the strangle circuit actually inverts the tone knob, making it more effective at cutting bass frequencies.
Nice!
I also think the strangle switch works well with bass EQ on amps. Engaging the strangle switch and then boosting the bass at the amp gives you a different, tighter sound than normal.
@@jdjk7 I'd wager that'd be because the amps preamp can't generate as much low mid harmonics (since you've shelved the low fundamental early in the signal chain). Subsequently raising lows via amp EQ only boosts the note fundamental - far less low harmonics to clutter the tone.
Fascinating! I recall seeing Cream on tv doing Strange Brew and Jack was playing a Fender 6. This is all in the 60s. In my naïveté I thought it was an in-joke within the band, him playing a ‘guitar’.
Basically, I do want a Fender 6 … as predominantly a guitar -player it just makes sense to me. Loving the spectral stuff, Philip.
Thanks Johnny! That’s cool you got to see Cream on TV. Glad to have you here!
Jack Bruce use the Fender 6 on Born on the a bad sign, beautiful.
I've seen the Strange Brew video and thought the same as well. I know they were probably lip-synching that performance but still,,,!
The analysis of the way the Vl couples with a standard bass explains the raison d’être for Vl perfectly for me. Nice one, Philip.
Thank you! 🙏🏻
Guitar? Bass? My experience over the last 30 years owning a VI is, that it depends a lot on what strings you use! With flats it sounds much more like a bass! I play my VI in an acoustic trio because the lows don’t disturb the guitar sound compared to a normal bass guitar.
Great insight! Would love to play it with flats.
That’s super cool. I teach HS physics and we do sound and waves, and I’m going to show some of this to help illustrate how music is mixed to blend frequencies from the different instruments. Very nice demo!
Respect
I would be deeply honored! Thanks for doing what you do.
I'd recommend Donald Duck In Mathmagic Land if you haven't seen it. Among other things, it shows how the golden ratio relates to string length & harmonic frequencies. Cool stuff.
I've been curious about the Bass VI for a while now, and this video has convinced me to pick one up.
Awesome! I hope you enjoy it
7:46 *Plays Open E*
"It's beautiful"
This is how we know Philip is a bona fide bass player.
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I actually love playing my Bass VI live for this reason. I love to EQ like a four string and get it to sound like a regular bass, then I have the strangle switch for chimey guitar parts.
Yeah, I was watching how Robert Smith of The Cure gets that chimey sound in Pictures of You, and he uses the strangle switch with the neck pickup.
Super interesting, I always look forward to your videos. I love how you've added a visual aspect to the way we describe basses. "fuller, thinner, meatier etc...'' now has a visual description. That's awesome
Thanks so much!
I own a Bass VI (and a precision bass). This video made me want a Mustang bass.
Get one! Check out the video I did a few weeks ago to help you choose.
I have a p bass and mustang and yet… here we are 😅👍
I wish people would use the spectrogram when comparing/demoing literally everything. Guitars, amps, pedals, basses, pickups, whatever!
I just got a Bass VI and I love the thing. I'm so happy Fender brought it back in the Vintera II series.
To go to your players in the 60s. In the U.K. our bass 6 pioneers were Jet Harris ex Shadows and Eric Haydock of The Hollies.
Would absolutely love to see yiu do this overtone comparison with other basses/pickups like Semi hollows, MM, HH
Great video! Would love to see this using flats and rounds on the same bass
I probably should!
Thanks for doing this! I have some q’s that I’m hoping you can address in a future video.
Which pickup did you use to record the BassVI, JBass and Mustang? I’m just curious since the PBass only has a single option, VI has THREE pickups, and the others have two. How did you decide which pickups to use?
Likewise, how did you set any tone/volume knobs switches? Did you go by ear to make them sound as even-keeled as possible? Did you set everything to ten, lol?
Just curious how you made those decisions to set up this comparison. Maybe you can talk more about that in the future.
Would also be cool if you found a BassVI type guitar with humbuckers. What would that do as compared to single coils - like would it beef up the overtones to be more similar to a JBass and bridge the gap even more? I’m sure there’s a brand out there that makes a version with humbuckers or that someone has converted a single coil BVI to humbuckers. Using a humbucker might beef up those overtones to sound more similar to a JBass, I’d imagine.
This was really cool. I’d love for you to dive deeper, as others suggested! It’s funny, as a guitar player, I preferred the BassVI tone - but each one of these basses has its place. And I agree that a BassVI is a bass guitar. It’s not the number of strings that defines the instrument (such as excessive multiscale guitars with like 30 different strings . . . show offs, loll). 😊
You asked some great questions. If I remember correctly, all basses were all pickups full volume, full tone. So all three wide open on the Bass VI. You are quite right to bring this up, as there are a lot of varieties of tone in these instruments, but I didn’t want this video to get too long. I plan to do a lot more similar analysis in the future comparing instruments. As far as humbuckers go, I’m not sure what is available for the bass VI. Thanks so much for taking the time to watch and ask thoughtful questions. Glad to have you here!
You articulated a lot of thoughts that I've been mulling over for awhile now - I'm fascinated with the idea of a "secondary bass" instrument in arranging, and I think the concept is criminally underutilized.
As a bass player, I've personally been pushing lower and lower into the zero octave and finding some really fun applications for that super-deep rumble. But I often find that the low-end extension comes at the cost of losing the low-midrange character of the bass guitar in the mix, and so it needs some other instrument to fill that hole between sub-bass and the rest of the arrangement. A Bass VI seems like a really good solution, slotting perfectly into that baritone range that's deeper than keyboards and guitars, but higher than the kick drum and low bass.
You mentioned The Beatles already but what's interesting in that is that it was John and George who used it when Paul wasn't on bass and it makes so much sense considering it is more familiar to them, just fits in to this unique role you are talking about!
If you want to see a great bass vi player, check out TTNG. Their current bassist/singer plays a modified jag that he made into a bass vi. Highly recommend their audiotree session.
Lady from football, etc too. Although not that complex lines
I love how you nerded out on the science of the fundamental timbre of each bass. Actually a super cool demonstration and I totally agree with the mustang, I feel like all short scales kind have that HUGE attack and just a slow fade to that fundamental note. I get something similar with a Squier Bronco with a Curtis Novak Music Master pickup in it. It's so cool
I don't have the Fender, but a Schecter that's also a Bass VI and it's one of the coolest guitars I have due to its versatility. It'll do everything from baselines to djent riffs. Just don't expect to play a lot of chords unless you have some huge hands
4:10 [Bass Low E comparisons!]
Ibanez has a bass just like this ❤
What, no mention of The Cure? Granted, Robert Smith doesn’t use his Bass VI as a bass instrument, but it is a great showcase of the capabilities of the instrument
Yes it’s the tonal difference between the VI and a standard electric guitar that makes it musically interesting. I remember playing the exact same notes from Just like heaven when I was 15 and it just didn’t sound as cool.
If I included all the great musicians to use the bass VI, I’d still be making the video. I didn’t mean for it to be a complete history by any means. But thank you for bringing up the Cure. And thanks for watching!
I think what makes it a Bass, or what makes it "not" a bass, is intent.
The band Failure has used it (One Fender, one other) both live and in recordings as either a lead instrument or as a bass. In fact, in 1 song, both players are using a like instrument to great effect. One as a bass and the other as the melody / lead instrument.
The band Quicksand uses it as the bass in their current recordings and live.
It's an instrument with great range.
Well said!
Have you looked into Bass VI-type instruments by other manufacturers? Many have radically different pickup configurations. The for example, the Eastwood Sidejack Bass VI has dual P-90s, the Schecter Hellcat VI has MonsterTone stacked humbuckers, etc. Should look way different on the spectrogram.
Thank you, very interesting, love hou you present the sound of those basses next to each other!
Another interesting instrument in this spectrum is the “ jaguar bass” which has a different recognizable timbre again!
Yes! Perhaps it deserves its own video…
I wish that you show spectrum graph for every bass guitar you try.. I am a guitarist i learn a lot just from that graph.. Thank you.
Seeing the differences in the Jazz Bass and Fender VI tones, really contextualizes why the Beatles experimented with layering them on top of one another during the White Album. Most notably in Back In The U.S.S.R. and While My Guitar Gently Weeps (mostly during the bridge sections + the Guild Starfire 12-string). It gets such a uniquely textured bass sound that kind of has a modern sound for the 60s, before roundwound bass strings became the norm. It had a very aggressive and thick tonal range.
This was such an interesting video. Would you be willing to do spectral analysis of short scale and microscale basses? For example: Gretsch Junior Jet II, Kala Solidbody UBass? I want to understand where these short scales fall sonically.
Excellent information. Thanks! Fender also developed and sold at least two other basses. Neither caught on. A "Bass V" 5 string bass with a high C string in the '60s. Also a "Performer Bass" 4 string instrument in the '80s.
It’s the opposite of a piccolo bass. The piccolo is a bass-turned-guitar, the bass VI is a guitar-turned-bass
Thank you for creating this video on an often overlooked bass critical for the “tic tac” sound popularized in the 1960’s on many country and pop recordings. (Lineman of the County)
If you are ever able to source a Fender Bass V, you might consider a video on it as well. It is a 15 fret, 5 string bass traditionally strung EADGC. It predates the Mustang bass by one year, coming out in 1965. Though it never caught on, it was made known by John Paul Jones of Led Zeppelin and Walter Becker of Steely Dan.
I'm actually surprised nobody ever put EMGs into one of these to play djent on it.
I wonder how much of the tone you discovered on the VI is due to the specific pickups Fender uses, and how much depends on how crowded the strings are. What would happen if you used Mustang pickups on a VI?
It wouldn’t change the result much.
The Mustang almost sounds like a Synth Bass, (like a TB-303, and not in a bad way).
The Bass VI is perfect for Spaghetti Western, and Surf.
please do Different Fender strat Bridges! So block saddles, vintage saddles, two point vs 6 point.
The Bass VI is waaaay more “guitar” than “bass”. With a bass VI you’ve got:
-Guitar tuning keys
-Guiar nut-width
-Guitar string spacing at the bridge
-Basically guitar pickups
-Guitar Trem
Nothing really bass about it other than the tuning and long scale length. In my mind it’s a really long baritone that lets me keep the timbre/overtones/harmonic content of a guitar while playing low.
I think there is a slow but sure shift in the modern metal/hardcore scene where players are leaving behind 7 and 8 strings and instead just grabbing really long baritones.
My hope is to see an instrument like the bass 6 but, with adjustable string spacing at the bridge and a pickup/preamp system that can let the instrument seamlessly thrive in either a bass, or guitar role.
Oddly, the most common genre I’ve seen it in is darker music - The Cure, The Church, Horse Girl. So much so that the Fender website actually list the Cure and The Church as some of the biggest users of the Bass VI.
And it if you listen to The Church’s album Priest=Aura, it’s on every song as the main bass.
If you listen to The Cure’s Disintegration, it’s on Lullaby and Pictures of You playing the lead melodies.
It’s really versatile.
Sergio Vega of Deftones and Quicksand has been playing a bass vi as his primary bass when playing live recently. There's definitely a place for it in heavier music.
Don't forget, Bass VI gives you a vibrato bar too. Listen to Pictures of You by the Cure. The lead melody is all Bass VI. It gives a wonderful, round tone to the leads because they are so muted in comparison to a normal guitar.
Also, IIRC, wasn't tic-tac bass them playing a bass line on the Bass VI doubling a melodic guitar part on those old country songs?
Jack Bruce played one fingerstyle on Creams first album, 😉.
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You can easily let the VI become a proper bass instrument if you aren't shy about string gauge. I had a .025-.105 set of flatwounds on mine, it worked great. Only reason I don't have it anymore is because it was a Squier that I could never quite get to play with action as low as some of the Fender Japan and Custom Shop instruments I tried. Of course, now what I've ended up with are a bunch of Bass VI copies that are four string and 34'' scale, which has ended up being the best of both worlds for me. I love the look and sound of the VI, but 4 strings and 34'' scale does give that little bit extra when what you want is bass. So, I went with a "Bass IV" instead.
That was interesting! Would love to know what my bass looks like. Sire M7.
Why the f*** would you be playing that in standard E...
Would sound much better in
CG tuning configuration
C
G
C
G
C
D
And then you can tune the D up and down to whatever note you wanna play on
Bill Laswell _in "Last Exit" - plays one of this, he made sounds/things very similar to those that can be heard later in "Primus" (Les Claypol)
The Bass Vi is cool (and fun to play to boot!), but unfortunately it's a No Go for me - I have nickel allergies, and the only electric strings I can use are Ernie Ball Cobalts. But, Ernie Ball doesn't make Cobalt sets for hte Bass VI. Oh well.
I’m a diehard five string player (more comfortable) so I made a five string baritone.
Imagine all the things you could do with one of those!
Wanna play a guitar solo? Sure
Wanna play big chords? Sure
Wanna play the guitar part of Ano Bando but likes bass more? Go on!
That thing is amazing
The Bass VI used to go together great with upright: tic-tac.
But, where did all those upright players go...?
Perhaps the Bass VI will go together great with low tuned guitars without all the stupid gain and bass synths?
Let’s hope so, 😉.
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I'm pretty sure 40 Hz is the fundamental of the low E
Squier needs to drop an affinity version that’s like $300 so this instrument is more accessible!
OK obviously you’re a guitar player not a bass player. I do not ever use a pic on a base. I would use a pic when I was playing guitar on base. I use my fingers. I have a six string base. It is not a fender. It is an ibis And the way I tune mine is BEAGGC obviously you are a guitar player and you tune yours EADGE just like a guitar just lower OK I am sorry I am blind so I am using dictation and dictation messes up my six string base is an Ibanez and I have Bartolini pick ups in it. It is a base. 17:00 17:00 17:00
This is a great video. I'm a bass player, but i have recently started trying to play guitar. Having issues with the smaller scale and playing chords. I have considered a baritone guitar, but many people are saying it's not much better and i should stick with the guitar. You said this is for guitar curious bass players, but still only played it like a bass. I would assume that it's tuned like a guitar so that guitar players would have an easier time, but is it meant for chord playing as well? Could this be played that way? Should it? A 6 string bass is tuned only in 4ths without the weird 5th string deal, but this has it. Very curious to me.
Great content as usual. I have a Classic vibe bass VI and I love the inspiration it gives to play different things.
Nice! The Classic Vibe series is pretty killer!
there is NO mystery . the reason the baritone guitar exists is so Joe Perry can do intros on it like
"back in the saddle" and "janie's got a gun" .....
Very informative thank you
I have a short scale 6string bass tuned to to E. Not at all marketed as a bass vi, but that how I use it.
I understand what "scooped" means for the first time.
Might be cool to try and find a pbass alternative. I want a pbass but don't want to fork over the money 😅
Jazzbass is 1959: Herbie Flowers owned and played a ‘59 Jazz bass for decades!
Leo made this magic without the benefit of spectral analyzer, or rather, he made it with his analog version. His ear 👂
Thinking about getting one of these and a Digitech whammy, to go back up the octave if I wanted to.
Man I gotta try me one of these. Such a cool tone, random question but what’s your thoughts on ric’s? I’d be interested to hear your opinion on them.
Fantastic content. I wonder where a baritone guitar fits?
A Bass VI is its own instrument and is almost always listed as such.
I think of this thing as a form of baritone guitar. It can hold down a lead role if appropriate.
Interesting, I've never heard of the Fender Jagwire.
I may get one of these things.
The Beatles used a Bass VI in their last records. You can hear the distinctive tone. Pickups look like those on a Jaguar. I wonder what the difference between it and a Baritone (such as the Danelectro) is.
For starters, a baritone is usually tuned a 4th down from a guitar(i.e. B-b), whereas a Bass VI is tuned an octave below like an electric bass, but E-e.
@@elliotvernon7971 Thank you!
This was super cool man. Love this. Cool to see the colors and to hear the isolated overtones. Really appreciate how you break it down and explain things too!
Really interesting, I especially enjoyed your analysis with the spectrogram.
Thanks for watching!
Hey hi, I don't want to be annoying but the 81.94 Hz is not the fundamental of the low E string of a bass guitar. It is actualy the second harmonic and the fundamental is the lowest sinusoidal frequency (in this case 41 Hz). I know it is wierd because the second harmonic is higher in amplitude but it is still the second harmonic. If you use more resolution in your frequency analyser you will see more details in the low frequencies.
Not annoying. Thanks for sharing!
Nice work did you use a capture to another computer or just one computer
most useful bass 6 video that exists. I AM SO TEMPTED! I'm a bass player who loves playing guitar and often find myself playing "bass" type parts. @Philip Conrad do you think a the Squier version is good enough?
I haven’t played enough of the Squier version to say. Good luck!
Great video! I’ve been wanting a bass VI for awhile. The Cure has some great examples of bass VI tones over the years in more of a rock context
I recommend listening to The Church’s album Priest=Aura (it’s got Cure vibes - bit psychedelic and dark). Steve Kilbey uses the Bass VI as the only bass on the album, so every song features it. It’s great.
Cool. Love the spectrum analysis!
Thank you for watching!
Dude what an awesome video! Totally subbed and I'm seriously tempted to buy this bass! Thank you for the video Phil
Thanks for watching!
This is such a cool bass!! I like the detailed history on it!! If you ask me my favorite recording of one is joe Perry of Aerosmith using it on the song back in the saddle while the main bassist in the band is playing a 4 string!! I also like that it was also on the song let it be
Nice!
Super cool video man! What shocked me was how different the Mustang was on the spectrogram from all the others. Much more fundamental than even the p bass which was surprising.
Same! Part of why I love the Mustang sound. It cuts then sits so nice. Thanks for watching! ⚡️
That mustang is so 60s sounding! Love it!
I love mustangs too. Thanks for watching!
GREAT video! Thank you!
This is the nerdiest bass video and I'm so here for it
Joe Perry - Back in the Saddle
Guitar bass is an accurate description.
In my ignorance, I thought the Mustang sounded best. (I bet you know Nick Shabazz who is also a sound engineer based in California I think).
Not ignorance at all. I LOVE the way mustangs sound. Thanks for watching!
What's the software you used ? There's a version of this for vocal stuff called Estill Voiceprint but I always assumed it was just something you can get out of a DAW.
oh sorry he said Izotope . Leaving this up in case someone else missed it.
Thoughtful and insightful. Thanks for the always great content. These are such cool instruments and seeing/hearing the spectral analysis comparison with the other basses was a real treat!
Thanks so much!
who is it for? me. they made these for me. 😊
Interesting to attempt to compare the sounds of these basses but they really need to have the same strings on them for this to be at all meaningful. The Mustang having half rounds while the others have round wounds is just apples and oranges, shouldnt even be comparing them really. Do the other basses have similar round wounds or are they different manufacturers, different types, and/or different gauges??? Also where the string is plucked exactly and how affects the sound considerably as well as which pickup or what mix of the pickups we are listening to with the Jazz bassmatters as well, I'm guessing that it is 100% on both but you dont mention. Unless all these kinds of things are carefully taken into account you are basically tilting windmills.
I think you were hoping for a scientific assessment which was not my goal. I just wanted to share a cool discovery and talk about some fundamental differences. Maybe a more in depth analysis could be cool to do in the future where we use the scientific method and do a true comparison. Thanks for watching and taking the time to ask a good question.
Very interesting video-I learned a lot. I don’t own any bass guitars. I’ve been interested in getting a Bass IV to use for both guitar and for occasional bass parts. Still not sure if that is a good idea for me. Can you use standard guitar amps with the Bass IV?
Alternatively, I could get a P bass and a bass amp.
You could but you wouldn’t have that deep low power to hang with a drummer depending on what rig you get. If you want to sound like a bass I’d get a bass amp.
Good stuff Philip, worth its place in history just for Wichita Lineman if nothing else. Gud Vid
One of my all time favorites!