"Velcome to hydraulic press channel, today ve vill crush Russian Maxim feed block. It is very dangerous, and can attack at any time. So ve must deal vit it."
"Willkommen im hydraulischen Pressenkanal, heute werden wir den russischen Maxim-Futterblock zerkleinern. Er ist sehr gefährlich und kann jederzeit angreifen. Wir müssen uns also darum kümmern." (Just because I can and you dared! ;P)
In WWII, Australia collected souvenir MG08 from RSL halls, and converted them to .303 for use by the VDF ( Volunteer Defence Force).Some MG08/15 were also converted by New Zealand. Very rare today ( after WWII, most destroyed or badly deactivated by removal of working parts and Welding)
Sometimes it didn't even do that sometimes they just recaptured the gun and said there's no time and just threw it back on the line and said if you ran out of ammo write a requisition order with your local captured ammunition storage
It happened a lot. Sometimes they didn't even bother converting and used captured ammo. I've seen a photograph of a belgian field gun that was captured by the Germans at the start of the war, lost to the Russians, had it's carriage swapped to a Russian one, recaptured by the Germans and lost to the French during the 100 days...
I'm so happy I found this channel. A lot of games I play use these guns and try to stay historically accurate but this has proven so many wrong and made me learn so much
This looks much like a National Guard armory. So many of these guns were captured and brought back to the states - and still reside in state Army National Guard armories.
Quite fascinating the precision engineering that was in use at the beginning of the 20th century. This type of engineering was still in use when I served a machine fitting apprenticeship in the 1970s only to almost disappear with computers and electronics.
I got to visit the "Armory" in Kyiv where some of these were made, a building that still has its bullet holes and Wild history. Look it up if you git a chance.
@Мармеладов ТВ The history of the Kyiv Armory as it was told to me by the Masters of the Armory was about how the workers Valiantly defended the Armory from the reds until the ammo ran out when the reds then hung all the workers who had survived the assault at the front of the building as a warning, only later did the reds realize that they had killed everyone who new how to operate the Armory or even repair those guns that they had confiscated from the Kyiv Armory.
In WW1 the machine guns were mutch bigger and used more in bunkers and hideout position then in WW2 machine guns were mutch more compfortable to carry around with
They still got reused in WW2, either issued out to second line units and internal security or put in fortifications especially the Atlantic wall, theres a good few men dead on Omaha beach to WW1 vintage MG08s.
Actually surprised at how copper colored the barrel cover and water cooling mechanism looks like from the outside. Definitely unexpected, considering most maxims ive seen have green paint over the barrel. This is at first glance, will watch now. EDIT1: It's just due to the brass conversion the german engineers pulled off.
Are you up to making a video on the craziness of cartridge nomenclature? Many might not understand the difference between 'rimmed' and 'rimless' cartridges, not to mention all the other obscure and arcane terms that describe metallic cartridges...
This gun seems like it has quite a lot of history behind it. Russian Maxim, captured by the Germans and fitted with a rare Russian mount along with a brass water jacket. Kept in Nazi inventory and probably used in WW2 before being captured by a GI and brought to the US. Well traveled to say the least
I remember when IMA had 1905 maxims out of Finland in the 1990s. They had a few, all brass with original Tsarist markings markings. I should have sold my car to buy one but my priorities were wrong in high school....
A bit wierd that they mounted a scope mount but didn't cut an opening in the gun shield for it to be used. Unless the shield we see here is a replacement added later that is.
I wonder if there's a known record for the number of times a Maxim gun might have been captured, converted, and re-used while still being able to reasonable claim that it's the 'same' gun.
The water jacket was probably replaced by the Germans. The water jackets that the Russians used on their Maxims have giant fill ports on the top. This both made it easier to pour water in but also allowed chunks of snow or ice to be shoved in rather than just liquid water.
In my active duty time my second job was machine gunner. I was trained to use sights for targeting. In an real war i wouldn't use a sight , i would do it ... while shooting😁
There is an Australian twist to the Maxim saga. Post WW1, a large number of MG 08 and 08-15 guns were "liberated" and taken back as unit ans personal souvenirs. This includes the ones "officially" surrendered. Most ended up in memorial halls, sundry local monuments and museums all over the country. Of course, this was in the "good old days' when the country still had a sense of humour about such things. So, there they sat or were mounted until the onset of the Second Great Unpleasantness. Someone noticed that the country was seriously under-stocked with machine-guns of any sort. Someone else with some historical and mechanical acumen recalled that before WW1, there were actual .303 Maxim guns in Australian service and they were rapidly replaced by Vickers items during WW 1 The scale of demand for machine guns in WW2 pretty much outstripped production capacity. In order to free up Vickers guns for the front lines, a fairly large number of the "trophy" Maxims were "recalled" and converted to fire .303. This required some creative machining and modification of a Vickers barrel, by then in mass production at Lithgow and a bit of modification of the breech face and feed system. Most of them eventually trickled down to the Volunteer Defence Corps, (an Australian "Dad's Army"). Sadly, at the end of the war, most were NOT returned to their previous veterans clubs, memorials, etc., but destroyed in the time-honoured Australian government way.
Idk if Ian already addressed the issue but what's the indicator shown at 2:00? (I know what they're for on MG08/15s, I don't understand why bother putting one on 1910 Maxims)
Very interesting on the conversion part. I would imagine if a German battalion would have captured a Russian position and these Russian Maxims were left behind along with sufficient ammunition. Both German and Russian gunners if vice versa did the same during combat. Gunners of both sides would be trained on the same gun with slight differences use them in combat with no serious issues in training and employment in combat if the guns were still serviceable. I can now understand that the Germans who have captured damaged guns from the Russians and can be repaired to use their common service cartridge.
I wonder why the Germans bothered to add a scope mount when the scope could not be used. I can imagine the armorer being delivered a conversion kit, and the mount was in there, and as a matter of routine he installed all the parts. But it seems like whoever designed the conversion kit would know the shield was there. Part of the standard process should have been to cut a notch out of the shield to enable use of the scope.
The sight mount was probably added so that the converted Maxims would be as close to the German standard as possible. And could be put onto any available mounting; German, Russian or British.
Does the barrel in a Maxim not recoil in the same way as on a Vickers gun when fired? I was discussing a similar issue with a Vickers collector, as I assumed firing would melt any ice that had formed, but he explained that if the water in the jacket had formed ice around the barrel then the gun would be unable to fire as the barrel couldn't recoil and the action cycle, so wouldn't be able to fire long enough to melt the ice. I know the British used antifreeze in the water for extreme cold conditions and water jackets would be protected or guns kept under cover and checked regularly by crews, so I assumed Maxim guns were treated much the same? I'd wonder if leaving the water jacket empty until it actually needed to be filled for sustained firing would also work, or whether that could leave just enough water residue in contact between parts to actually make things worse?
1:54 pre 1917 revolution letters and symbols ( pre revolution russian letters, for example "пулеметъ", after bolshevik reforms of the russian alphabyt, in modern script "пулемет" (machinegun) )
So, Hiram Maxim sold machine guns in different calibers to the different countries. Then he sold them conversion parts for when they captured each other's guns?
6.5 caliber stuff has been a meme for over a decade now, it will continue to be hyped up by Manufacturers as the next best thing, no military will ever adopt it but a small portion of the civilian market will obsess over it for decades
Because I'm tired of hearing about it. Its just like .308 but smaller, but if I say that at the range I get a full sermon on how I need to try it because its apparently a round created by jesus christ himself
@@grahamlopez6202 Right... Now i am ever more convinced they need to make video about this, altough i thought i posted this message on Inrange channel where its better suited.
My friends in school used to say this gun was the best cause it had armor plates. But I always assumed they were used to protect that 10,000$ gun not the soldiers they just happened to be sheilded
I remember seeing one of these in news footage from the Korean war. Apparently the Russians were supporting Korea with material but apparently not exactly state of the art equipment.
@Мармеладов ТВ In a way I'm not surprised. It's a water cooled gun, if you live the right area (have the right water source with appropriate minerals.) water heaters can last 20 to 30 years. That's not exactly analogous but maybe not far off.
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World War I: Sponsored by Maxim
exactly, the real winners in the first world war were krupps and armstrong. :)
Sponsoring both sides in a conflict makes sure you are on the winning side.
Stonks
Whole reason it was built was another person gave him advice to build something that’ll help Europeans kill each other.
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Don't forget Vickers, they became a dynasty because of the arms trade.
The guns were close cousins, much like the King, the Czar, and the Kaiser.
Brass is easy to work with Im planning there is a vid on you tube of a guy making an ar 10 reciver from empty shells.
this makes the whole affair even sadder 😔
1:29 I was about to point out this and your comment came up 😂
The aesthetic of Maxim guns never fails to always look good 👌🏻
the water cooling just has something to it
They remind me of old timey sowing machines.
"Velcome to hydraulic press channel, today ve vill crush Russian Maxim feed block. It is very dangerous, and can attack at any time. So ve must deal vit it."
THIS!!!
Belly laugh!
"Willkommen im hydraulischen Pressenkanal, heute werden wir den russischen Maxim-Futterblock zerkleinern. Er ist sehr gefährlich und kann jederzeit angreifen. Wir müssen uns also darum kümmern." (Just because I can and you dared! ;P)
There is a real beauty to such historical weapons. Machined steel, brass, the wooden furniture on bolt action rifles, they are like artwork.
"Why is there an S on your machine gun?"
"In my language it means hope."
Kai-Ser Son of Prussia
In WWII, Australia collected souvenir MG08 from RSL halls, and converted them to .303 for use by the VDF ( Volunteer Defence Force).Some MG08/15 were also converted by New Zealand.
Very rare today ( after WWII, most destroyed or badly deactivated by removal of working parts and Welding)
The sokolov mount is honestly one of the best multi function mg mounts I've ever seen
the quality of those components are clearly a series step above. seriously good machining
The last time I was this early to a forgotten weapons the firearm was still in product
I love these old guns...favorite has to be the Lewis, though. I'd love to see a .303 Lewis converted to 7.62x54R.
There are actually some factory-made 7.62x54R Lewis gun out there, made for Russia.
@@ForgottenWeapons Sweet! Both fun *and* cheap to shoot!
Ian you need to do a Karma Sutra of Maxim tripod positions, there is bits on my Sokolov mount that I have still not figured out 100% what they do.
Honestly the steel and brass barrel enclosure is surprisingly nice looking on it
I wonder how many guns were captured, converted, recaptured and converted back?
quite a few I'd wager
Sometimes it didn't even do that sometimes they just recaptured the gun and said there's no time and just threw it back on the line and said if you ran out of ammo write a requisition order with your local captured ammunition storage
Probably more common that they were captured, used with captured ammunition and then recaptured etc.
It happened a lot. Sometimes they didn't even bother converting and used captured ammo. I've seen a photograph of a belgian field gun that was captured by the Germans at the start of the war, lost to the Russians, had it's carriage swapped to a Russian one, recaptured by the Germans and lost to the French during the 100 days...
I'm so happy I found this channel. A lot of games I play use these guns and try to stay historically accurate but this has proven so many wrong and made me learn so much
If guns like this don't express how desperate a fight WWI was I don't know what will.
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Awesome video. I can't imagine how you gained this staggering amount of knowledge, it's super impressive
Sean Bailin his library of books on the subjects.
To this day, I'm still amazed when I open a Forgotten Weapons video and it has 1500+ likes and only 8 dislikes. That's damn good.
This looks much like a National Guard armory. So many of these guns were captured and brought back to the states - and still reside in state Army National Guard armories.
Quite fascinating the precision engineering that was in use at the beginning of the 20th century. This type of engineering was still in use when I served a machine fitting apprenticeship in the 1970s only to almost disappear with computers and electronics.
9:53 "That's just a wheel, what's so interesting about tha-? Oooh! That's pretty neat!"
I got to visit the "Armory" in Kyiv where some of these were made, a building that still has its bullet holes and Wild history.
Look it up if you git a chance.
Surely at present in Kyiv history visits you?
@Мармеладов ТВ
The history of the Kyiv Armory as it was told to me by the Masters of the Armory was about how the workers Valiantly defended the Armory from the reds until the ammo ran out when the reds then hung all the workers who had survived the assault at the front of the building as a warning, only later did the reds realize that they had killed everyone who new how to operate the Armory or even repair those guns that they had confiscated from the Kyiv Armory.
Yet another well done video, on a staple of the Heavy MG world! Its always work but its good work, sir.
In WW1 the machine guns were mutch bigger and used more in bunkers and hideout position then in WW2 machine guns were mutch more compfortable to carry around with
They still got reused in WW2, either issued out to second line units and internal security or put in fortifications especially the Atlantic wall, theres a good few men dead on Omaha beach to WW1 vintage MG08s.
They were commonly used in guard towers in prison camps as well
Actually surprised at how copper colored the barrel cover and water cooling mechanism looks like from the outside. Definitely unexpected, considering most maxims ive seen have green paint over the barrel. This is at first glance, will watch now. EDIT1: It's just due to the brass conversion the german engineers pulled off.
1:55 I can't see the text above the emblem, but under the one is "3 лин. ПУЛЕМЕТЪ" - "3 line MACHINEGUN" (1 line = 2.54 mm)
Т. И.П.В.о.5. (last two are maybe 0.5. i'm not sure)
@@fus132 Т. И.П.В.О.З. - Тульский Императора Петра Великого Оружейный Завод (Tula Emperor Peter the Great Weapon Plant)
Ton of history in that Maxim, thanks for sharing.
The history of these weapons of war are truly amazing, the engineering, the people that used them, so important to keep these things around.
hey ian, can you find the German Knötgen M1911 automatic rifle ? i've been trying to find it for months now. -
Awesome Ian. Love the maxim.
Makes you wonder what the record is for how many times one of these guns was passed around back and forth and refitted.
This is my ultimate want and a Spandau 05/08. Very , very NICE! Total museum piece. Incredible!!!
Really wish I had the money and permits to get that thing. It would be one hell of an attention getter at a range or historic event.
Thank you , Ian .
ahh the goold old days, when machine guns were so big u needed wheels to move them around
Very unusual gun, I have a 1944 dated PM1910 and they look impressive on the Sokolov mount.
You personally own a PM 1910? If only the rest of the world's firearm laws were as loose as yours
@@B52Stratofortress1 Our weapon laws are weird, I also own a PTRD 41
I've got an sg43, I just got to figure out how it goes together lol
@@silverfingerthesilverstack5062 country?
@@therideneverends1697 Not telling you will try and steal my precious lol
Very close cousins? Sounds like the British, German and Russian Royal Families!
and pretty much the rest of europe except the ottoman.
Hapsburg was certainly a playa
@@derptank3308 a bit player but Wilhelm II of Hohenzollern was Queen Victoria's oldest and favourite grandson. She even died in his arms.
the wonderful world of maxim mounts
Are you up to making a video on the craziness of cartridge nomenclature? Many might not understand the difference between 'rimmed' and 'rimless' cartridges, not to mention all the other obscure and arcane terms that describe metallic cartridges...
Good job with the videos everyday keep it up
Always something interesting thanks for the information keep up the great work
This gun seems like it has quite a lot of history behind it. Russian Maxim, captured by the Germans and fitted with a rare Russian mount along with a brass water jacket. Kept in Nazi inventory and probably used in WW2 before being captured by a GI and brought to the US. Well traveled to say the least
I wonder if any of those gun got back and forth between nations and got converted multiple times.
now it's not forgetten 💪
Is that a huge gun, or are you just happy to see me?
Hannah Dang haha ulol!
cant it be both?
It's a huge gun, now quit joking around theres germans afoot!
Love the videos where Ian has to sit....😊👍🏼
I remember when IMA had 1905 maxims out of Finland in the 1990s. They had a few, all brass with original Tsarist markings markings. I should have sold my car to buy one but my priorities were wrong in high school....
How did i miss this video 4 years ago?
I'd like to see one of Vickers Gun conversions.
The modified action would have meant that the Germans couldn't just install standard Maxim parts.
Probably the pride and joy of some Volksturm platoon in a small town.
«Вещь! Настоящий? Чапаевский... Во были времена!..»
Большие города....
Cousin guns for the cousins Kaiser, King and Tsar I guess makes sense. And lovely turnover as well
A bit wierd that they mounted a scope mount but didn't cut an opening in the gun shield for it to be used. Unless the shield we see here is a replacement added later that is.
The shield is easily detached.
@@ForgottenWeapons thank you for the response! :)
Oh the stories that machine could tell.
I love this video
Perfect for home defense.
I want to see a maxim updated for use in today's conflicts. Mounting rails etc.
That one didn't age quite so well.
Welp, know what *I* want for Christmas!
Think about how many bodies this thing has on it.
Do you know of anywhere that has a german captured vickers gun?
The axle/beam for the wheels screams K'Nex.
I wonder if there's a known record for the number of times a Maxim gun might have been captured, converted, and re-used while still being able to reasonable claim that it's the 'same' gun.
The water jacket was probably replaced by the Germans. The water jackets that the Russians used on their Maxims have giant fill ports on the top. This both made it easier to pour water in but also allowed chunks of snow or ice to be shoved in rather than just liquid water.
Those "tractor cap" jackets were introduced in WW2, copied form the Finns. They didn't exist in WW1.
I love this intro
Wasn't your old Vickers able to be converted to three different calibers?
I always wandered, Whats the point of the flat disk between the booster and flash hider?
The booster creates a significant amount of flash distinct form the muzzle, and the disk hides that.
@@ForgottenWeapons Ah, I didn't realize the booster was ported. I thought it was just a sealed chamber.
In my active duty time my second job was machine gunner. I was trained to use sights for targeting. In an real war i wouldn't use a sight , i would do it ... while shooting😁
My legs! Arrrrrgh! Why for you cut them off!?! What did they ever do to you?
Maxims were like European Pokemon cards.
There is an Australian twist to the Maxim saga.
Post WW1, a large number of MG 08 and 08-15 guns were "liberated" and taken back as unit ans personal souvenirs. This includes the ones "officially" surrendered.
Most ended up in memorial halls, sundry local monuments and museums all over the country.
Of course, this was in the "good old days' when the country still had a sense of humour about such things.
So, there they sat or were mounted until the onset of the Second Great Unpleasantness.
Someone noticed that the country was seriously under-stocked with machine-guns of any sort. Someone else with some historical and mechanical acumen recalled that before WW1, there were actual .303 Maxim guns in Australian service and they were rapidly replaced by Vickers items during WW 1
The scale of demand for machine guns in WW2 pretty much outstripped production capacity. In order to free up Vickers guns for the front lines, a fairly large number of the "trophy" Maxims were "recalled" and converted to fire .303.
This required some creative machining and modification of a Vickers barrel, by then in mass production at Lithgow and a bit of modification of the breech face and feed system.
Most of them eventually trickled down to the Volunteer Defence Corps, (an Australian "Dad's Army"). Sadly, at the end of the war, most were NOT returned to their previous veterans clubs, memorials, etc., but destroyed in the time-honoured Australian government way.
So that's what happened to them all. I know that the schools in Queensland each got a trophy Maxim, and I could never figure out where they all went!
We had some artillery pieces at my school in west Australia no maxims sadly
Whats the purpose of the large round disc lookin washer thing on the barrel behind the flashhider?
Idk if Ian already addressed the issue but what's the indicator shown at 2:00? (I know what they're for on MG08/15s, I don't understand why bother putting one on 1910 Maxims)
Fusee spring tension adjustment. It's the same on all Maxim variants.
I see, thanks for answering
Very interesting on the conversion part. I would imagine if a German battalion would have captured a Russian position and these Russian Maxims were left behind along with sufficient ammunition. Both German and Russian gunners if vice versa did the same during combat. Gunners of both sides would be trained on the same gun with slight differences use them in combat with no serious issues in training and employment in combat if the guns were still serviceable. I can now understand that the Germans who have captured damaged guns from the Russians and can be repaired to use their common service cartridge.
I wonder why the Germans bothered to add a scope mount when the scope could not be used. I can imagine the armorer being delivered a conversion kit, and the mount was in there, and as a matter of routine he installed all the parts. But it seems like whoever designed the conversion kit would know the shield was there. Part of the standard process should have been to cut a notch out of the shield to enable use of the scope.
The sight mount was probably added so that the converted Maxims would be as close to the German standard as possible. And could be put onto any available mounting; German, Russian or British.
Sokolov mount? It doesn't have augers and rocket engines though
Looks heavy... imagine the troops who carried that armament all around the battlefields
Most interesting part of the video isn't the gun, but the tripod :)
Is there a conceal carry version ?
How did these do in the winter war? I have heard rumours that the water tank froze and was rendered useless
Firing the gun would melt the water, should it freeze.
@@ForgottenWeapons Thanks for the answer , thats what i thought as well
Does the barrel in a Maxim not recoil in the same way as on a Vickers gun when fired? I was discussing a similar issue with a Vickers collector, as I assumed firing would melt any ice that had formed, but he explained that if the water in the jacket had formed ice around the barrel then the gun would be unable to fire as the barrel couldn't recoil and the action cycle, so wouldn't be able to fire long enough to melt the ice. I know the British used antifreeze in the water for extreme cold conditions and water jackets would be protected or guns kept under cover and checked regularly by crews, so I assumed Maxim guns were treated much the same? I'd wonder if leaving the water jacket empty until it actually needed to be filled for sustained firing would also work, or whether that could leave just enough water residue in contact between parts to actually make things worse?
Im hoping to see a video on the fiat-revelli 1935
Awesome!
Stamp S to assert dominance
1:54 pre 1917 revolution letters and symbols ( pre revolution russian letters, for example "пулеметъ", after bolshevik reforms of the russian alphabyt, in modern script "пулемет" (machinegun) )
So, Hiram Maxim sold machine guns in different calibers to the different countries. Then he sold them conversion parts for when they captured each other's guns?
B F Can't do that anymore. They say that the monopoly is bad for consumers.
Did they retrofit a scope mount that wouldn't work? If so, why would they do that?
That wasn’t a locking strap. It’s a mud flap.
Please do a video on a M2 browning
And give the dimensions
Would be great if you could make some videos about 6.5 Grendel and other 6mm calibers that could be used by modern militaries.
6.5 grendel isnt forgotten in the slightest, no matter how much I wish it was
@@grahamlopez6202 Why do you wish it would be forgotten?
6.5 caliber stuff has been a meme for over a decade now, it will continue to be hyped up by Manufacturers as the next best thing, no military will ever adopt it but a small portion of the civilian market will obsess over it for decades
Because I'm tired of hearing about it. Its just like .308 but smaller, but if I say that at the range I get a full sermon on how I need to try it because its apparently a round created by jesus christ himself
@@grahamlopez6202 Right... Now i am ever more convinced they need to make video about this, altough i thought i posted this message on Inrange channel where its better suited.
"everyone look at the maxim stone age ... stone age..."
Didn't you wheel around riding this maxim in Instagram?
Maybe....
MOST INTERESTING !!
Wait I thought you were going to show us how one guy sets it up and takes it off the legs. 😅
Can you do a video on the Kord 12.7mm?
I want to see the gun firing with the wheels engaged, so it rolls backward.
My friends in school used to say this gun was the best cause it had armor plates. But I always assumed they were used to protect that 10,000$ gun not the soldiers they just happened to be sheilded
Why would anyone ever dislike any gun Jesus's videos
I wonder if any Austrian Schwartzloss guns got converted to 7.62 x 54R
Remember the time when Ian skated on one of those 😂
I demand a link 😫
I remember seeing one of these in news footage from the Korean war. Apparently the Russians were supporting Korea with material but apparently not exactly state of the art equipment.
@Мармеладов ТВ In a way I'm not surprised. It's a water cooled gun, if you live the right area (have the right water source with appropriate minerals.) water heaters can last 20 to 30 years. That's not exactly analogous but maybe not far off.
Brass waterjacket, very poche.