I was nervous watching you racing into those bends at the end, leaving no room for any surprises oncoming. It's just a matter of time, please be careful. On a brighter note, 300rally owners must love all the experimentation you do, takes all the guess work out of mods they may be considering.
Yes, it did look worse in the video but we were actually over to our left (the correct side for Australia) around most of the videos. Or at least able to see further around the corner to what the camera showed. I am very aware of the possibility of an oncoming 4WD!
Great riding 👍 guys interesting trails. Congratulations mate you have found the sweet spot with the mods I think. The fuel efficiency is even better then my stage one especially in the rough stuff which shows the engine is ticking over effortlessly. Seems like a win win more power better fuel economy and quite possibly less stress on the engine. Great results.
Thanks Tony. I agree, I think this is the perfect combination of performance and fuel efficiency. With the extra power and torque, you don't need to rev the motor so much to get up to speed, which is obviously helping the fuel economy. Even when pushed hard it still delivers excellent economy. I will continue to test over summer and report back.
Awesome! I love how you break down all your trial and era, and show what works best for you. This channel definitely helps out with making modification decisions to my bike now, and in the future! Now if only you could display conversion values on the screen for kilometers/liters to miles/gallons, it be perfect! Lol... Thamks, Cheers!
Thanks mate... I did think about doing the conversion for my American friends, but forgot about it in post production... sorry. Plus, now it gives you a nice little math (or google) exercise.
Excellent series on the 301 upgrade. I was a little surprised your RPM’s was that high (6800) at 110kmh. According to gearing commander at 110kmh stock 14/40 gearing would run 6675rpm and 15/40 would be 6230rpm. It is nice to see fuel consumption does so well with the 301 kit.
I used the Gearing Commander website for my research and I was wondering the same thing so I decided to do some checking. Gearing commander shows the circumference of a 120/80 18 tyre as 2039.5mm, I measured the Maxxis 120/80 18 that I am using and the circumference is 1880mm. When you update gearing commander with the 1880mm size, you get 6750rpm at 110kph which is exactly what I discovered on the freeway. The fuel consumption is great and it proves what my initial testing with the 301cc kit was showing.
Just feel the need to correct you a bit, with a secondary gear ratio of 2.86 the engine do not do 2,86 rev. per rear wheel rev. in top gear, that would be a hell of an engine capable of that...! You'll have to put the primary gear ratio in the ecuation too... Cheers!
Great Video 🤠👍 I want to go exactly the other way to have more momentum at tuffer trail sections, also much healthier for the clutch. For me is end speed not necessary... I prefer a shorter ratio, so a smaller in the front 13 or a bigger on the back 42 around. Well showed 👌
Thanks, I know where you're coming from wanting more power/torque for the tougher trail sections. Perhaps for the CRF300L, which may get used as more of a trail/dualsport bike rather than and adventure bike, the stander 14/40 would provide that for you. I don't think you need to gear it down any lower now with this increase of power and torque.
Thanks too, gonna be very interesting. I'm on the way to buy a 250rally and here in the north of Sweden (Lappland) you don't want to go fast because of so many reindeers and mooses 🐾🦘 But it is a paradise of gravel roads with nice technical trails. I've never had an mc with so less power and am a little bit nervous about it ... but I really like to try out a lightweight adventure bike and test out how good feels the less is more effect.
Thanks mate. That ride was in The Watagan Forest on the NSW Central Coast. If you are located in NSW we might be able to arrange a training day for new riders.
That would be awesome. I have been living in Australia since June so am learning a lot about the region. I normally start my ride ride around Wisemans Ferry. I download a .gpx file and just follow the track but it would be nice to meet other riders and learn from them. You've been creating very interesting content and seem to have good experience and riding skills. Looking forward to meet up.
I think it's just a re-release of the CRF 450L we had a couple of years ago. I will have to get a ride on one to see, but hopefully they fixed some of the low speed fueling issues the previous version had. Most modern bikes are set very lean in the fueling to pass emission laws, that can cause issues. I'm not sure if they have extended the service intervals of the motor.
The flame out issue was partially due to the RPM being set too low by dealerships , riders not being aware they need to feather the clutch on any bike , when in low speed situations on any bike ….more so when the rpm is set way too low . Just feather the clutch …it’s not a trials bike, it’s a trail bike . Too many riders on you tube riding in high gears , relying on torque too much , drop a few gears rev the crap out of it pop the front wheel up out of every corner , it’s a 450 not a 1250. Bikes handle heaps better with the rpm high …they are not tractors …but dirt shredders.
Interesting. I think the weight should have been same in all tests i.e. same amount of fuel in tank when starting the test. A couple of kg's may have made a difference do you think?
Hell Yeah! I'd have no worries about heading around Australia on it tomorrow. I have some multi-day rides coming up over summer, so I'll be putting a few thousand K's on it soon.
I was told (by someone way more knowledgeable than I) that fuel consumption values can no longer be trusted as reported by a non-stock ECU as it is calculated based on assumptions made about the stock mapping. The values of distance traveled are calculated based on the assumption that your gearing and tire sizes are stock. (And that this is confirmed by the fact that your speed as reported by the bike is thrown off if you change tire sizes or gearing.)
I can understand those assumptions. But I would ask... isn't the fuel consumption based on injector pulses so it calculates how many injector pulses (and time open) per kilometre? Also the stock speedo is way out when it comes to accuracy, so can you actually trust the stock fuel consumption too? I will continue to test and will record my own kilometres travelled and fuel put in the tank to check the computer numbers.
Yet the speedo is 10 percent out so actually reducing that error to real speed means that fuel average is true average. Not with a ten percent increase.
@@ShonkyProductions As it was explained to me when I asked the same question was that it's not just a matter of pulses, it's duration of pulses too which is a value that (can be) modified in the ECU's firmware and the bikes display does not take into consideration that mapping at different RPM may have been modified. So the bike thinks it's delivering X amount of fuel per pulse (based on stock ECU) when in fact it could be delivering more (or less at a given RPM) depending on user-modified mapping. I'm sure the values are fairly close but I think if you're going to draw a conclusion on fuel economy vs gearing, then a more reliable/less vulnerable to variables method would be better.
You are making wonder about this upgrade for my Rally. Really appreciate you posting this.
If you enjoy your rally now, you will love it with the 301cc kit!
So proper. Guys here go almost full rev and just push out dirt and go nowhere
Awesome video. Many thanks for the effort you put in to them.
Thanks Gary, glad you liked it. Check out the Stage 4 review for my latest experiment.
Always excellent. Thank you!
Thanks 👍
I run 14-44 on my 301 😂. Ok not all the time. That’s my strictly trail/off road gearing.
That would be great for trails and a wheelie machine! 👍
Another great video.
Spot on mate
I was nervous watching you racing into those bends at the end, leaving no room for any surprises oncoming. It's just a matter of time, please be careful. On a brighter note, 300rally owners must love all the experimentation you do, takes all the guess work out of mods they may be considering.
Yes, it did look worse in the video but we were actually over to our left (the correct side for Australia) around most of the videos. Or at least able to see further around the corner to what the camera showed. I am very aware of the possibility of an oncoming 4WD!
Great riding 👍 guys interesting trails. Congratulations mate you have found the sweet spot with the mods I think. The fuel efficiency is even better then my stage one especially in the rough stuff which shows the engine is ticking over effortlessly. Seems like a win win more power better fuel economy and quite possibly less stress on the engine.
Great results.
Thanks Tony. I agree, I think this is the perfect combination of performance and fuel efficiency. With the extra power and torque, you don't need to rev the motor so much to get up to speed, which is obviously helping the fuel economy. Even when pushed hard it still delivers excellent economy. I will continue to test over summer and report back.
Awesome! I love how you break down all your trial and era, and show what works best for you. This channel definitely helps out with making modification decisions to my bike now, and in the future! Now if only you could display conversion values on the screen for kilometers/liters to miles/gallons, it be perfect! Lol...
Thamks, Cheers!
Thanks mate... I did think about doing the conversion for my American friends, but forgot about it in post production... sorry. Plus, now it gives you a nice little math (or google) exercise.
@@ShonkyProductions 👍🤙
Enjoyed the video mate. The Honda is such a versatile bike... Stay upright 🙂
Thanks. Yes, it is such a great bike and these mods only make it better!
That was a great duelling video , 700 v 300, great riding .
Thanks, it sure was fun.
Excellent series on the 301 upgrade. I was a little surprised your RPM’s was that high (6800) at 110kmh. According to gearing commander at 110kmh stock 14/40 gearing would run 6675rpm and 15/40 would be 6230rpm. It is nice to see fuel consumption does so well with the 301 kit.
I used the Gearing Commander website for my research and I was wondering the same thing so I decided to do some checking. Gearing commander shows the circumference of a 120/80 18 tyre as 2039.5mm, I measured the Maxxis 120/80 18 that I am using and the circumference is 1880mm. When you update gearing commander with the 1880mm size, you get 6750rpm at 110kph which is exactly what I discovered on the freeway.
The fuel consumption is great and it proves what my initial testing with the 301cc kit was showing.
Just feel the need to correct you a bit, with a secondary gear ratio of 2.86 the engine do not do 2,86 rev. per rear wheel rev. in top gear, that would be a hell of an engine capable of that...!
You'll have to put the primary gear ratio in the ecuation too...
Cheers!
Great Video 🤠👍
I want to go exactly the other way to have more momentum at tuffer trail sections, also much healthier for the clutch. For me is end speed not necessary...
I prefer a shorter ratio, so a smaller in the front 13 or a bigger on the back 42 around.
Well showed 👌
Thanks, I know where you're coming from wanting more power/torque for the tougher trail sections. Perhaps for the CRF300L, which may get used as more of a trail/dualsport bike rather than and adventure bike, the stander 14/40 would provide that for you. I don't think you need to gear it down any lower now with this increase of power and torque.
Thanks too, gonna be very interesting. I'm on the way to buy a 250rally and here in the north of Sweden (Lappland) you don't want to go fast because of so many reindeers and mooses 🐾🦘
But it is a paradise of gravel roads with nice technical trails.
I've never had an mc with so less power and am a little bit nervous about it ... but I really like to try out a lightweight adventure bike and test out how good feels the less is more effect.
@@Peter79123 sounds like a great place to ride and explore!
Excellent Video as usual! Where was that? Would like to join you for a ride and learn from you if that's possible. Keep those videos coming... Cheers!
Thanks mate. That ride was in The Watagan Forest on the NSW Central Coast. If you are located in NSW we might be able to arrange a training day for new riders.
That would be awesome. I have been living in Australia since June so am learning a lot about the region. I normally start my ride ride around Wisemans Ferry. I download a .gpx file and just follow the track but it would be nice to meet other riders and learn from them. You've been creating very interesting content and seem to have good experience and riding skills. Looking forward to meet up.
Great video, thanks. What bike does Alex have?
Alex has a Yamaha T7
Great vid, what muffler/exhaust do you have on at the moment?
Thanks, I have the Moto-X header with a custom (longer) muffler. I found the Moto-X muffler too loud.
It’s odd how people with bald heads appear alike, I thought shonky and chronicles of solid had the same host..until now😅…both great shows.
Haha... thanks.
Nah this bloke actually rides.
@@nathanf1934
True perhaps ..one of them needs to ride CRF 450 RL to avoid confusion .
What do you think about the new 2024 CRF450RL coming. PS I love the CEF300T.
I think it's just a re-release of the CRF 450L we had a couple of years ago. I will have to get a ride on one to see, but hopefully they fixed some of the low speed fueling issues the previous version had. Most modern bikes are set very lean in the fueling to pass emission laws, that can cause issues. I'm not sure if they have extended the service intervals of the motor.
The flame out issue was partially due to the RPM being set too low by dealerships , riders not being aware they need to feather the clutch on any bike , when in low speed situations on any bike ….more so when the rpm is set way too low .
Just feather the clutch …it’s not a trials bike, it’s a trail bike .
Too many riders on you tube riding in high gears , relying on torque too much , drop a few gears rev the crap out of it pop the front wheel up out of every corner , it’s a 450 not a 1250.
Bikes handle heaps better with the rpm high …they are not tractors …but dirt shredders.
Interesting. I think the weight should have been same in all tests i.e. same amount of fuel in tank when starting the test. A couple of kg's may have made a difference do you think?
I understand where you're coming from but I don't think the difference of a 3-4 kilograms of fuel would make too much difference.
Would you go around Australia on it?
Hell Yeah! I'd have no worries about heading around Australia on it tomorrow. I have some multi-day rides coming up over summer, so I'll be putting a few thousand K's on it soon.
Guessing Alex is 20kg heavier. Impressive!
Mmmm... 20kg, that's being very polite. He is 6'6" and solid muscle, so he does weigh a little more than my 72kg!
Does your speedo not run off front wheel rotations?
No, most modern bikes have the speedo driven electronically off the gearbox so changes to gearing does affect speedo readings.
What size is your rear tire mate?
Maxxis 120/80 18
What is the part no for a 15 tooth front on CRF 300 please anybody.
It's a Sunstar sprocket. If you google 15t front sprocket for CBR300 you should find one.
Where did you get your seat cover?
Just eBay
@@ShonkyProductions Do you like it?
@@Itchybite yes, I do like it. I've had it for 2 years now...maybe it's squashing down more than originally but still good.
I was told (by someone way more knowledgeable than I) that fuel consumption values can no longer be trusted as reported by a non-stock ECU as it is calculated based on assumptions made about the stock mapping. The values of distance traveled are calculated based on the assumption that your gearing and tire sizes are stock. (And that this is confirmed by the fact that your speed as reported by the bike is thrown off if you change tire sizes or gearing.)
I can understand those assumptions. But I would ask... isn't the fuel consumption based on injector pulses so it calculates how many injector pulses (and time open) per kilometre? Also the stock speedo is way out when it comes to accuracy, so can you actually trust the stock fuel consumption too?
I will continue to test and will record my own kilometres travelled and fuel put in the tank to check the computer numbers.
Yet the speedo is 10 percent out so actually reducing that error to real speed means that fuel average is true average. Not with a ten percent increase.
Absolutely nothing on this bikes display is accurate from the factory... down to the clock, so...
@@ShonkyProductions As it was explained to me when I asked the same question was that it's not just a matter of pulses, it's duration of pulses too which is a value that (can be) modified in the ECU's firmware and the bikes display does not take into consideration that mapping at different RPM may have been modified. So the bike thinks it's delivering X amount of fuel per pulse (based on stock ECU) when in fact it could be delivering more (or less at a given RPM) depending on user-modified mapping. I'm sure the values are fairly close but I think if you're going to draw a conclusion on fuel economy vs gearing, then a more reliable/less vulnerable to variables method would be better.
Get em