BUFFED LIFEWEAVER IS STILL F TIER IN OVERWATCH 2 SEASON 10
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They need to make swapping between healing and damage seamless.
I think I prefer his current kit. Good Lifeweavers look for opportunities to sneak in damage, and he does a LOT of damage when you're on the right angle.
Yes the delay definitely makes it feel a bit finicky. Making it as seamless as Moiras would help him a lot
@@fizzlockthe issue is that switching between heals and damage feels clunky. It’s slow and I think most people want it to feel like Moira when she switches because it’s so much more seamless.
Right? Bap can do aoe heals and damage with little to no lag time. I think LW is fun but there's really no reason to play him above Bap, Ana or kiriko.
We been saying this since day one of his release
I mean, the things with those recent ‘buffs’ is that they are not really buffs, but rather, adjustments to healing numbers to offset dps passive. They basically reverted him to pre S9 state where he was kinda playable, but not fantastic or anything, and as ML7 mentioned, his lack of offensive capabilities was never addressed properly
Few things LW desperately needs. I have about 350 hours in LW and a 55% win rate.
-His thorns need to travel faster; increase from 80 to 100 m/s, if not more.
-A passive for extra utility: Toxic Thorns: Similar to Mauga’s incendiary gun, landing 10-20 thorns on a target increases their damage taken by 15% for 2 seconds.
-Eliminate the swap time between DMG and Heals.
-Reduce the reload timer when in the opposite mode down to the standard 1.5 seconds to allow for more fluid switching between dmg and heals.
-Either remove his back petals hurtbox or give him an extra 25Shields. Literally everything hits him after the Season 9 patch and the measly extra 25HP isn’t enough for his massive hurtbox.
-Lifegrip needs to either cleanse or provide temporary health rather than heal.
I have 200+ hours on life and I couldn't agree more. Esp with the dps aspect of his kit, the thorns should do some sort of poison damage like you said
As a LW main yes this is especially what he needs
I’m all in for his survivability going up and toxic thorns/faster projectiles but I think there should be a compensation towards his healing then. Maybe to 65 with slightly faster charge. And get rid of that slow when charging the heals? Why is he punished for healing? I don’t understand that part.
@@CrackedMidsoles I agree with the slow, it’s dumb af lol. However as far as his healing goes, the main reason he ends most games with top healing is because he has nothing else to do. He has one of the lowest HPS in the game, only Zen and Lucio below him. Mercy, Moira, Ana, Bap, Brig, Illari, Kiriko and Bap all have higher HPS than LW lol. Also his Tree is a big healer so that adds to the total heals in the match.
If he were given more incentive to dps to apply “toxic thorns”, then his overall health numbers would decrease.
I've been wondering if they could put Parting Gift back with a few changes
-Heals allies for 75, Damages enemies for 75
-Drops from Lifeweaver and his constructs when health reaches 0 (doesn't proc when Lifeweaver destroys them himself or they time out)
If this went through, would it be better or broken to replace the over heal from Tree with it dropping a Parting Gift every pulse?
At around 9:20 instead of keeping the tree up, when it’s not healing anyone (or the rare occasion every is walking around with full overhealth), break the tree so you can start gaining ult charge again. I mainly use tree for the burst heal at the beginning. Very occasionally do I keep the tree up for its full duration
He knows dumas, he’s literally one of the best supps
@@Qrytics But, with all due respect, far from the best Lifeweaver. It's a specialist hero that ML doesn't play super often. Chill out.
@@Qrytics Also is good advice for the average player, not just ML
@@QryticsHe’s only one of the best Ana and maybe Bap players, he actually has a pretty slow learning curve and is sub par on other supports like LW and Moira. Just because he’s good at some doesn’t mean he’s automatically good at the characters he doesn’t play
When does the tree stop healing?
The main problems with Lifeweaver are 1) his inability to contribute offensively seamlessly while healing, and 2) his lack of options to enable his teammates with his cooldowns, mainly with Life Grip. We all still feel like switching between thorns and blossom is too clunky and slow. That transition needs to be smoothed out, so that you can be immediately impactful the moment you switch. This can be done by allowing blossom to charge up passively while you're shooting thorns, so that when you switch back to blossom you can immediately throw out a heal without having to wait a second to get a heal out. That's such a simply quality of life change that would make a huge difference, allowing LW players to switch to thorns more often without sacrificing healing output. With Life Grip, even tho it's good at saving a single teammate, it denies your allies the space and positioning they've worked on claiming, making your allies feel like they don't have agency over how they wanna play. This detrimental effect is felt a lot more when you pull your tank, because suddenly you no longer have a frontline and have given up space for your enemy to retake that ground. I feel like a simple rework to Life Grip that allows it to function 2 ways would alleviate this: TAPPING the button for life grip merely encases your ally in that flower bubble to reduce incoming damage and/or maybe even apply a regen healing affect over a short period of time, and then HOLDING the button for life grip would allow you to pull your ally back to your position. This would not only give LW players more skill expression because they have to make a choice about whether or not to pull or just apply the flower bubble, but it would also allow your allies to maintain their agency over their positioning while still supporting them with utility and not just raw heals.
i like so much this idea
I think they need to speed up the switch between healing and damage or use separate hands like Moira so it’s significantly more fluid and even a passive of a blossom slowly charging while he is doing damage so when you switch back it’s already ready. And his healing range needs increased a bit, lots of maps I can’t reach across in the area the teams play at.
I also think the transition is too slow. It’s just a remnant of how he launched when you had to manually switch the ability like Mercy. They put a bandaid on it but they didn’t make it fluid at all. It feels too clunky for sure.
Had the same thoughts about this, actually.
Let’s hope devs would try this one out
This was my idea as well. They need to give him a passive to improve his flow, and the synergy between healing and dps
why isnt it just right click to do his other firing
I have mained LW since his release back in season 4. I LOVE LW, I LOVE his kit and he’s so fun to play… However the continuous buffs to the wrong places for him, the devs even admitting they don’t know where to healthily place more power into his kit… maybe it’s just time for a rework. Clearly they don’t understand the changes that are ACTUALLY needed for LW. They just want him to be a healbot which idk about any of you other LW players but I don’t wanna be a just a healbot.
nah i definitely agree, the most fun part of his kit is saving allies with pull and blocking off enemies with tree but i feel like his petal provides too little impact. At the same time i dont have any ideas how to buff him without making him annoying to play against or making him a healbot
That is true. They keep trying to make him a heal bot but his healing concept just doesn't work with that.
This is exactly my frustration. When they announced LifeWeaver I remember there was an interview with one of the devs where he said “supports shouldn’t be just healers” but LW is a direct contradiction to that. At least how they’ve treated him is to give him more and more heals with only minimal attention to his damage and absolutely no attention post launch to life grip. To me, life grip and petal platform represent the true thinking outside of the box that supports need. But right now LG is on such a high cool down and there doesn’t seem to be much use for petal platform except as an escape or some real niche clutch situations.
They can’t just keep pumping heals into tree and dash and call it a day. Give more utility to platform. Let it mitigate some damage if you stand on it or something. Give players more of a reason to want it used for them.
Where do you think he needs changes?
I’m literally the only one who likes heal botting:) they need to buff his grip, make the cd shorter and he’s good. I love his kit and definitely don’t want a rework. His kit is focused to pump out a lot of heals and protect his team…
After all of this buffs, now I'm kinda sure that blizzard is racist about Lw and they don't want to thai hero have meta or be in S tier
Racist and homophobic
I find his petal quite useful and fun. It has kept me alive against flankers like tracer and sombra, while being able to peel for my team. I also like to think of it as a second pull. I’ve used it many times to save teammates who’ve been shattered, grav’d, slept, frozen, etc.
I love playing him, but its mainly for the playstyle, not the effectiveness. They refuse to commit to either the high-healing or high-utility direction so he ends up being mediocre at everything.
Like, his healing should either start at a higher value(so you can quickly tap someone that's very low) or remove the speed debuff when holding a fully charged heal, because look at how many steps it takes to heal with LW:
1 - Notice someone is low
2 - Start Charging the heal
3 - Gauge if you can afford to charge it fully or settle for less
4 - Heal needs to travel to the target.
These all take a very small amount of time, but they add up, and in this game ever 0.25s matter. Specially since you are doing all of this while getting shot.
Some other things I'd like to see on him:
Life Grip: Instead of healing 50, giving 50(75?) Temporary Health that lasts for 5s.
Petal Platform: Have a "railing"(some curled-up petals) that prevents people from accidentally walking off it (requires you to jump to drop from the platform). Also have a small healing-over-time to those standing on it like Soldier(15 HP/s?)
These are all huge heal buffs and would be bad for the game.
@@elmorejames6867 he needs better buffs though so a couple of these wouldnt be bad
@@elmorejames6867 Numbers are obviously adjustable and not all changes need to be added at the same time. These are just alternatives.
To make him playable he needs to charge heal faster and cancel or make reloading heal much much faster .
🌸 Here are the changes that I would LOVE to see the devs make for LW 🌸
Overall:
*reduce the time it takes to switch from blossom to thorns.
* make ult charge buildup be 8% higher.
* potentially make his blossom charge 30% faster after using up 30-40 thorns(aiding in the seamless transition from damage to healing).
Healing Blossom:
* reduce the healing to 75(as the highest), but also reduce the time it takes to charge it from 1.15 seconds to 1.00 second(because holding it down for 1.15 seconds is slow and boring).
* increase the travel speed of the blossom.
Thorns:
* make the accuracy drop off at 40 thorns and not 30(making it more accurate overall).
* Increase the damage of the thorns(slightly).
Healing Dash:
* reduce the cooldown to three seconds(to give him more overall mobility)
* make the burst heal from dashing only be 40 instead of 60.
Petal Platform:
* Decrease the cooldown time by one second.
* This might be a hot take, but I want them to revert the changes they made to platform so that it is more “sensitive”(and will actually go up once touched, instead of lying there like a pretty carpet despite someone touching it 🙃).
Lifegrip:
* make the CD 17 or 18 seconds instead of 19(which is ridiculous).
* make the burst heal 65 instead of 50.
* I don’t know how difficult it would be to do this, but it would be cool if the person you pulled got a temporary( 2-3 seconds) speed boost once they left the bubble so that they could get back into the action sooner.
Ultimate(Tree of Life):
* Burst heal is 180 instead of 150.
Ending:
* Lifeweaver was not made to be an offensive character, which is why I think they need to hone in on his defensive/ preventative strengths. He steals openings from the enemy at the cost of not providing many for his team, and that is ok. His healing and defensive capabilities need to be focused on more, rather than his offensive power(which should really only be used to kill off low hp enemies, or defend himself from edgy ninjas trying to sneak attack him… cough:cough)
This is all my personal opinion :)
I like some idea there.
But actually i would have love a poisonous effect after like 10 thorns hit (like a 30 damage on 3s).
And that kinda make sense with the thorns.
F tier?
I still play him, I love the flower power xD
Time for waffles and mL7
I think they just don’t know what to do with him at this point. Buffing his ult healing a lot just makes it a stationary Zen tranq and the fact his healing charges just makes him a lesser Ana. I find the dps projectile speed a bit finicky but to be fair I don’t play him much and so haven’t gotten used to it. Also he would benefit from making his switching from heal to dps as seamless as moira
F is for flowers
What is your rank??
@@amam7405 usually diamond 1 - masters 4, in higher than those ranks when I hit masters 1 I was a mix of LW and Zen
Tree should have constant minor healing so you can always feel it and it counteracts DOT like Dynamite
But what he really needs is for both his main weapons to work together better, that would be a huge improvement for him
Some tips about LW from a weaver main..
1. Block doors with your ult sometimes
2. Usually place your ult right in the middle of the team fight & spam your heals then shoot whoever is closest to you
3. Only shoot when you have to
4. Some ults are timeable so that you can block them if you’re good at keeping ult charges
5. Usually combo your dash with your leaf to get away quicker, it gives you more height if you jump right before it reaches the top.
They should reduce the Lifegrip CD! 20s is a lot 🙄
The heal should charge passively so that you can attack and balance from there. The way the character is right now, the charged heal would have to be way more to compensate no dmg while holding charge. Crazy suggestion: LW respawns at tree if its up.
Sombra's voiceline at 7:31 going "let's watch that payload'" and no one noticing 😅
Lumberjack mauga when? I hope they give him a special voice line when he breaks tree saying “TIMBERRRRR!”
As a flaming gay I wanna see that, but - Junkerqueen has the axe! LW's april fools line reminded me of that since he warns not to bring axes near his tree
It would be cool if when he does damage the healing flower fills up so the moment you switch to helaing you can already have max 80 health charged for your flower to send out.
Love lifeweaver gameplay!
3:40 your reaction so funny 😂
I agree that the buffs in season 10 is not enough , maybe they should rework him
I start to play ow since lifeweaver released and main lifeweaver after since his released (but i can't play him at first it's too hard to play he is complicated hero idk so i main kiriko first before him) now i main supports and training supports everyday ( but the main heroes i play is still Kiriko and Lifeweaver)
He need more buffs that's not just heal the devs always buff him only the heals and it's not enough, or they should just rework him to be more better
Also he is not meta before since his released , other heroes have peak season peak meta but LW never have peak season or meta...
He is fun to play , hope the devs buff him that's not just the heal or rework him , i really like the lifegrip cleanse idea too , because it's just 1 single target and can't use to LW himself to save himself while kiriko tp can cleanse herself and suzu can cleanse Aoe and can cleanse and immortal herself too so if lifegrip can cleanse i think it's very good idea and also tree of life first burst heal cleanse too , so it's not useless tree anymore , this game add more debuff and dps passive which is debuff but make just kiriko that the only support that can cleanse debuff , why? , kiriko is your only favourite child? blizzard?
Honestly, they should have his 1 sec charge back so it can feel more fluently and have a bit more ammo on his heals
Honestly, in a world with DPS Passive, revert his Ammo Nerf and/or Life Grip CD, increase Ult Charge for DPSing and/or damage, and PLEASE revert the platform change cause it is so inconsistent now and maybe give one more charge of it, and he would be much better.
Unlike the "buff" last time where they increase healing but also charge time, this time it's undoubtedly a buff. However, it doesn't fix his main problem. As mL7 said, his limited damage potential, along with clunky healing, is the problem. His thorns can deal good damage provided that they hit, but that is the problem. His projectiles are so slow and not hard to dodge unless you get really close, but ideally you shouldn't be close to the enemy. You should be a little farther away from the fight. And his weapon still feels as bad as always. I think they buff him just so they can't be accused of neglecting LW, like "look, a buff! There, that should do it for this year."
There are two different settings for LW. Legacy where you have to manually switch weapons like mercy and your dash is on a button. The newer setting maps his healing and dmg like Moira while dash isn’t on a button and is exactly like hanzo’s dash. I wonder if by default it’s set to legacy. It doesn’t really help his power but he feels so much more fluid to play.
it is not set to Legacy by default, no. i just wish some things could be mix-n-matched: mostly using Primary Fire to heal, Secondary to damage, and an ability to dash
I've been thinking that some nice buffs/changes to make him feel better would be to reduce his super long reload anims, and to make thorns charge his healing blossoms, cause he sometimes feels sluggish, especially with how high-paced the game is. His dueling capability isn't terrible if you can aim thorns, but if you run out of ammo you're done for since it takes 2-3 business days to reload.
I also thought that they could maybe bring back his old passive in a way, but through thorns, think like a bar that fills up as he deals damage, and when it fills up and the enemy dies, they drop the healthpack things he used to drop, or that they just do like a burst heal for lw's teammates within range of the enemy that died, this would encourage him to also deal some damage, even if he doesn't have the most dps, if nothing else I think it could just be a fun little gimmick.
They constantly buff his numbers which is not what he needs i.m.o. he just feels a little slower than everyone else sometimes. So I think if they just give him those q.o.l. changes it'll make him a lot better.
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His kit is just not consistently useful; Lucio is better if you want more team wide mobility, if you want to save from big ults lamp and suzu are better than pull, and his healing output feels slow because of the charge up. Only thing he's good for is Rein catapult cheese plays.
His pull is near instant whereas both lamp and suzu have travel time and require aiming. As for his healing the big benefit of his is the fact that the burst is instant. No other support can bring an ally’s health back up to a point where they can survive a burst of damage if timed correctly, except maybe Ana nade.
He is really good specifically against zarya, if you position well she can never get to you, and you can easily negate her ults
I feel like since lifeweaver has a delay when he switches between healing and damage it means you can't do as much damage as with many other supports. The fact that ML7 is playing a lot of these games with Mercy is toublesome, since Mercy doesn't really do damage either (except for dmg boost). So LF+Mercy don't really synergize well since then your team is lacking some crucial damage.
Doing thorn damage should auto charge your next heal. They’re already pushing him in that direction with the reload thing.
They should make it so dealing damage charges up his next blossom for some time after the damage. And make it include damage dealt to barriers. He's actually the best shield-breaking support (besides window bap) so it could carve a little niche for him there. And it'd be kinda cool for both LW and Sym to have unique interactions with barriers since they're lore-related, use the same tech etc.
It would make him pretty good against monkey. Spam bubble, full blossom someone, spam bubble, repeat
for the tree to be useful they have to lower the interval between pulses and lower the healing per pulse
I don't think LW is F tier. It's just a different playstyle that most players don't like (or are not used to).
You basically need to forget about damaging and focus about smart positioning and heal-botting
I feel like the petal should do a little buff of healing / damage. Just like 10-15% but just to make the petal worth it.
Cause actually the value of this petal is not that good...
Or they should make some coverage with the petal
Or buff his damage with like a little poisonous effect when he hits like 8-10 projectiles in less than 3s (like 40 additional damage on 4s).
If they made his heal function similarly to Illari’s primary where it auto charges by itself, i think that’d improve him significantly. You get to shoot while it’s charging, release the heal, then damage again.
hes definitely not that bad. hes just a difficult specialist hero with a bit of a clunky kit sometimes.
Maybe if you had a brig to keep you alive you could use your pull to bring your teammate to a more advantageous spot instead of saving them all the time
A handful of times if that Tree would do one big pulse to start and then lessen overtime, I think would be great. However, to make that instant decision to place it in a decent spot is enough time for you to die.. or get so low by the time you place it you die instantly afterwards (which is what happened to you a few times). It's annoying..
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I will continue maintaining that LW shouldn't use a heal charge if it never even fires to a person. It makes no sense visually, and I think it's pointless for his balance.
I would love if his primary fire felt better to use aggressively, or would have some combat utility (via applying a debuff of some kind or did a little more burst damage) if it meant cutting down his survivability or healing output slightly. It feels bad to use and feels especially awful against dive heroes that are trying to pounce you constantly that can weave or zip around how slow his projectiles are in comparison.
Break tree when its done and dont burn your petal cooldown. Thats the best stuff you can do rn
The problem is every role has specific playstyles that make meta rn, tank is a strong sustain and cc meta with orissa and mauga, dmg is clearly a hard hitscan meta, and support is any character that has high dmg output and high healing output (which includes mercy bc dmg boost)
Coming from a support main, here’s the problems I think lies with lifeweaver.
His weapon-switching between the weapons doesn’t feel fluid. A change needs to happen to allow synergy, similar to Moira, but not an exact copy and paste.
His healing-while his healing output is extremely high, the problem lies in its impact, rather then it’s value over a games match. The healing needs to be faster in a short amount of time, but also balanced as a burst heal.
His kit-extremely versatile, you can find use of his abilities with almost every team comp. Some slight changes would help though when it comes to team composition/communication.
Here are the changes I’d like to try:
His healing-reworked slightly so lifeweaver no longer locks on Allies. Instead he how plants flowers where he was aiming at by pressing the button. He can place up to 3 plants at a time. When holding the healing ability, lifeweaver makes the plants grow, where they “bloom”, healing the nearest ally when Allie’s within range are not at max hp. Similar to illari turret, but the difference is it’s not a passive heal, you have to control the plants. This change would allow you to heal Allie’s at a much faster rate over a shorter time, but requires longer prep time then his current state.
Thorn weapon-reworked so the thorns no longer come from his weapon, instead lifeweaver transforms all current plants on the field into flytraps, which shoot thorns at nearby enemies. This change will allow more synergy with your team, as you can swap between providing them healing, or helpful damage, being able to swap on the fly.
Passive-add to passive-energy transfer. As enemy players take damage, you gain energy to transform your plants, but as your team takes damage, you lose energy. This will be the only way you can gain energy to heal Allie’s or damage enemies. With this rework Lifeweaver has really strong potential for both healing and damage, but I don’t want a copy and paste of Moria’s mechanic for this. Something related to energy and life would fit lifeweaver more as well.
Petal platform. Really good, versatile ability. However because of how strong this reworked kit can be, I think a good nerf would be his petal now rises slower or faster depending on how much energy he has.
Lifegrip-rework slightly so now lifeweaver has the option to hold the ability to prepare it on an ally. If the ally reaches critical health (50hp) then they will be automatically pulled to you. This will help fix those issues for when you try to pull a specific ally, but also have the player have to choose between protecting this one ally or continuing to heal/do damage.
Ult-rework slightly so that the tree now reacts just as your plants, providing either high healing or high damage to the area. His current tree is really useful, but it only has one use. Giving the option to deal damage would allow more use of his tree in different situations. I’d however increase the ult charge as it has more potential use
That’s all I’d like to try for him
weewee has the problem of lack of versatility. If I were to be a dev, I would make his flowers heal 80% in burst and additionally 20% in over-time effect. This would help him sustain a teammate between each flower. Also the thorn volley could apply like a dmg debuff (let's say -15%) after hitting a few shots - this was a popular idea some time ago. Those changes would fit the style weewee wants to play and add to his bio-technology focused background. Since he still needs buffs why not experiment.
really think they just need to increase the minimum heal on his blossom. it’s 10 right now but they should just up it to 20 or 25, i think it’d solve his charge time issue without trying to just power creep his heals. they can even keep the max heal the same
Maybe when he full charge heals it bounces to the next hero to needs healing and each bounce decreases the healing by 20. No more than 3 bounces. Or instead of bouncing when fully charged he can do a small aoe heal that gets cut to 40 hp healed when you’re in the aoe.
Regarding the first game, I do think he could have played better. But the healer pick was not the issue, they were playing ball into mauaga, so it was really a Tank Diff
You shouldn't be reloading in teamfights. I play a lot of Lifeweaver. You actually should never really have to reload. If you are needing to reload your team is out of position or you aren't putting enough pressure on the enemy team with your thorns. Just a little tip.
Man his reload feels so punishing and the offense requires headshots all tracked perfectly to ever make any noticeable dmg. I love his kit so much but far out, bro is dogwater rn
I would rework lw by rolling back his projectile speed (to keep his power in his healing), increasing his damage so he can 8-10 shot 250hp heros(since he does low damage without crits), make higher charge heals travel faster than slower charged, give all heals a very small aoe aura that heals for half (but doesnt stack on the target), remove penalty for holding heal and allow him to store a full charge heal for a few seconds while he fires. These changes would be good because it gives him less downtime so he can contribute with damage more AND gives him more agency to heal far away targets
his tree should cleanse it literally called the tree of life and maybe his pull have had so many people just walk out while there anti and not wait until the debuff is gone.
he never had it in tier F hahaha this hero is broken
Who gives a damn about more health during dash? Usually you’re dashing when you need to activate the healing passive or just need to move out of a certain position. The tree buffs are nice but they need to give him some sort of petal buff or change in my opinion
IMO. OW2 dev just discriminate Thai people by keeping LW bad.
I want that skin so bad , but it hasn’t showed up in the store yet .😢
i wish i could fly around on the petal, but at a slower speed
I still like to play LW. But dang it’s very frustrating that despite getting so many buffs since he launched, he continues to struggle in game.
I only play him in Total Mayhem at this point.
they keep giving him the buffs he really doesn't need, what he needs is a healing charge up speed buff, and a healing -> dmg / viceversa buff to make it a lot easier
My opinion: while playing lw charging heals seems kinda slow, and if u want to dps, then his hand rotation makes it hard to heal when the teammate needs it. His 70 heals were perfect. You dont even heal someone with full charge in mid fight. His heals should be max 70 and the charge time should be a bit faster.
What lifeweaver needs imo is more control over petal and potentially grip as well, as in being potentially able to cancel grip to just grant allies immortality or move them a short distance
Ppl like to say Lucio + Zen is the worst support pair but I'd take it any day over Mercy + Weaver. The zero offense support line.
i don’t think lw is bad. i think he’s situational. he’s got really impactful abilities but only with certain interactions. i think lw is actually quite fun to play. way more fun to play than someone like mercy
I wished they buffed his damage side more like his thorn volley or weapon swap speed instead of making him heal more and tankier 😔
Personally I think lifeweaver needs a rework and need they need to fully commit to his utility to displace/create new opportunities. Petal platform needs to be a bouncy petal than can be placed anywhere and I mean ANYWHERE. Bullets, projectiles, anything that can be aimed that hit the bouncy petal will bounce off of it based on the angle it hits the petal. Petal cooldown reduced as well as health and size. His grip need to lose invulnerability and require aim in addition to it being on a lower cooldown and also act as a grapple like pathfinder’s(still heals but would be reduced since he can use it more often. Thorns will become his primary and his secondary should be his heal that charges automatically and can be used as necessary ( use it sooner less heals full charge more heals). The max amount of healing the secondary fire would be 50 but charge as fast as Kiri’s ofuda with unlimited ammo. Thorns would have more damage more ammo and moderate increase to spread.Ultimate now aimable throwable it direct lands on someone with stick them into the tree and can be shot at by teammates not enemies. Tree would be unbreakable but last only up to 3-4 seconds and overhealth healing removed. Since Weaver is also more mobile his dash will only heal 25. This would personally make lifeweaver interesting and good without him being good based on numbers!
They should lower the platform health and reduce its cooldown so he can use it more often. That would allow him to have more impacts. Or maybe even make it like a sigma’s shield where if it breaks it needs time to recharge
I agree or they should just give him two petals. One to use himself and one for team. Feels like people don't use it because it feels like a waste since the cooldown is so long
Between lifeweaver and sym why do they hate Vishkar so much 😭 they can't catch a break
So my pseudo rework for LW would be that his thorn volley would do lifesteal, every damage you do would convert into overhealth for him up to a cap of 100. Dealing damage to shields would do a lesser lifesteal conversion. While having overhealth your healing blossom charge will start at a higher base. 100 overhealth will start it 75 (max), 50 will be 50?
All in all he will be gaining charge like Sojourn instead its converted into health, similar to Sym. No this wouldnt make him OP in anyways since its already hard to hit shots with him unless spamming down tight chokes
or maybe instead of his base healing blossom start it can be at a faster rate that would consume his own overhealth.
allow lifeweaver to stop pulling
it will make it more like a zarya bubble
12:40 Ayyy, she peeled for you!
That's rare for DPS to do.
I will ALWAYS peel for ML7🫡
1:04 as a lifeweaver enjoyer, i don't want him to be meta, cause i will bet he will get nerf to the ground after that, like many other hero
So I haven’t played OW2 in months played during the season 9 comp season in hopes I’d get the comp points at the end of season to get a new gun skin, do they not give out end of season points anymore?
i (a lw main in top500) played 10 games of lw the first day of comp and went 1-9... HES WORSE THAN LAST SEASON WHILE GETTING BUFFS
Baptiste can literally hold both buttons to deal damage and heal at the same time, and he does a lot of damage and heals considering. Moira's swap is seamless, Kiri's heal/damage flow is seamless, Ana literally does both with the same bullets.
So it's like they're purposefully keeping LW a healbot, but healbots don't work in OW2 anymore. He needs to gain more lethality, i.e. weapon swap NEEDS to be seamless, and/or maybe his thorns could do additional DoT. Pull cooldown should also go down to where it was previously. His healing projectile speed could be increased. I've always thought Tree could cleanse when placed. So they have so many options to make LW playable and not a healbot, but the devs are just refusing to or are grossly incompetent.
sinds when can bap do that?
Moira doesn't swap cuz she has 2 weapons
kiri should be deleted
To yall LW lovers out there, what value can LW even bring that no other supps can?
He's hot
I main him and anyone who is saying he is fine right now just cause he has high heals is delusional lol other supports can do high heals and more. The buffs he got weren't bad but not what he needs. IMO revert his ammo nerf and/or Life Grip nerf and honestly PLEASE REVERT PLATFORM TO GOING UP REGARDLESS CAUSE THE CHANGE MAKES THE PLATFORM SO INCONSISTENT and maybe give him a second platform and he would be in a decent and fair spot.
It's not that he has unique utility, but that he is just enjoyable to play.
He is THE gamesense support. You need to select carefully where your resources go, and abilities like Petal and Tree have great potential for creativity and outplay.
Not to mention, it's very flashy when you save someone with pull, which appeals to the support fantasy. It is akin to the headshot sound for dps when you time a good pull.
I think he's not even in the worst spot rn, for the vast majority of ranks. Your damage is really strong, you just need to find opportunities to sneak it in.
He is the new Moira: he has good stats, is hard to kill, but other support have better utility at higher ranks. Can dominate on the metal ladder though.
lw counters sigma orisa zarya (and somewhat mauga mei pharah) ult with tree/petal/ life grip, you can petal/life grip bob high noon etc to a flank, give high ground to low mobility heroes, isolate people with tree through a doorway, and generally stop a lot of potential enemy value with his abilities.
He is an ult denial machine, learn how to hone you mechanics and you can render almost any ult useless with something as simple as a petal.
It feels annoying to shoot and then switch to healing and for your weapon to not be reloaded. It takes forever for healing and weapon to reload either manually or automatically, his neutral poke feels embarrassing with more times reloading than doing damage
Hey does anyone know if this skin that he is using which was apart of the launch bundle will ever return? I need it
Lifeweaver is a weird one... He's literally the worst character in the game right now but I find him veru fun to play. The healing part feels miserable and I don't know why the hell there's a movement penalty that increases over time when you hold down the healing button. There are so many small things they can get rid of to make LW a better hero.
If only Lifeweaver have auto heal charge and unlimited heal and bullet maybe then he could be better...
They can't make me hate him with this skin
I don't understand why clunky and borderline useless heroes like LW and Mercy still exist when we have OP asf heroes like Moira and Kiriko. They both parties need to swap between healing and damaging yet one can do it seamlessly and their kit is OP when the other is clunky as hell and they're also the underpowered heroes. What is wrong with OW2's balancing team they've completely stop even trying to balance the game.
They need to post poison on his dmg
Lifeweaver is in a REALLY good place for the meta right now. I believe that with more experience and different positioning than normal, you'd be able to truly feel how Lifeweaver's kit shines best.
He's definitely a Team-oriented support, like Mercy, but he does give a lot of pressure if you find an angle to shoot down and sustain a line of damage with!
Genuinely yeah, his damage is strong. You just need to get really good at sneaking it in
But it's probably easier and similar level of help to just play bap. LW is very fun though
anytime lifeweavers good the game is bad just leave him weak
Give weaver bullets a 10% slow
Thought this was a sauce boss vid for a second there
Lifeweaver is still better than mercy : i've seen some lifeweaver carry games, even if the hero isn't that great.
was carried by lw last night.
Healing very slow ,with ana that 3 shot with 1 80 hp ammo
Good, that's were no skill heroes belong. If only they'd nerf brig into oblivion too.
Is it just me or did anyone not get the drops after watching those hours?
they are bugged
LW gameplay from mr streamer
make the tree drain ennemies life
i loved you and that mercy 😭
Lifeweaver is literally my favorite character in the game, if only he wasn't worthless as a teammate 😢
Nah in console metal ranks he’s so good lmao 10k+ heals with no effort
Heals don’t win the game kills do people can lose with 15k heals
Why are you on the old controls?
it allows you to dash without jumping, that’s the main point
I don't know if it's me but I still haven't gotten my twitch drops I claimed
Still enough to outheal dry blade😢
You know what would make LW better and fun? Double dash. Maybe bit shorter than current but longer overall, and maybe less selfheal.
Other idea for passive was stacking damage and heal. Deal certain amout of times to trigger addition burst of damage or heal.
In your other video you claim hes underrated so which is it?
Weaver has a 43% win rate