Testing the Honda NX500 & Triumph Scrambler 400, and finding a Wild Card
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- As the new Royal Enfield Himalayan slowly approaches UK shores I decided to get ahead of the game testing some similar price point bikes. Then I was told about a wild card I hadn't considered.
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I’ve had a CB500X for just over 2 years now and I cannot say anything other than positive things about it, it does exactly what I need a motorcycle to do. I traded in the bike that I had owned and enjoyed for nine years, a 2012 Pan European that he’d taken me all over Europe. The 500X had a big weight on its shoulders. Two years on all I can say is that my annual mileage has doubled, the 500X is a great real World motorcycle. The huge advantage it has over the ST1300 is that it does not have to stay on well surfaced roads, it’s taken me and my camping gear on roads and tracks I could not have imagined using. It’s comfortable, it’s got great weather protection, it’s will go all day every day with no fuss. It’s also quick when I want it to be and handles beautifully. Leaving the best for last it regularly returns over 90 mpg. That’s not 90 mpg riding carefully and economically, that’s 90 mpg chasing my friend on this 2022 Triumph Tiger 1200 Rally Pro through the Pyrenees (it averaged exactly half, 45 mpg) or 90 mpg taking me and my tent through northern Spain to Portugal and returning via the Picos. It’s a motorcycle that makes motorcycling fun. The NX500 with its upgraded display and new styling will be just as good if not better. If you needed recommendations I’d just say two words, get one!
There's a lot of good words there for the Honda! Thank you.
@@restdayriderI must admit that I took my Voge 300 Rally on a bit of the TET today, a bit that was waterlogged, soggy and very muddy. I must admit I did think at one point I’m glad to be riding this bike today. In anything other than extreme conditions like that the 500X would have been up to the task as well.
Yeah I have owned my 500x for 4 years my wife purchased hers at the same time when I said I am getting a bike we live in oz done 3 tours of Tasmania both bikes have been fantastic.great fuel economy easy on tyres etc.only downside I had to purchase hand guards,centre stand and crash bars and some manufacturers have these already fitted which is very tempting when I need to trade the Honda. Cf moto 800t is in my sites as cruise control would be nice and buying a tiger is not really in my budget if I end up buying two bikes.malcolm and Diana Melbourne
Personally I would tell Fowlers to frog off! A fabulous shop/showroom but, OMG absolutely disgusting customer services, let's face it, you booked a bike for a test drive and, when you arrive it's ' sorry we haven't got one for you' ! Sod em, take your buisness elsewhere 😞. As for the new bike thing, you enjoy yourself with the teas rides, I'm shure whatever you decide on, will be perfect for you👍🏍.
I was a tad annoyed! 😐
@@restdayrider who wouldn't be🤔customer service is lacking with some dealers, just don't give em any business 😉
They are known as Fowlups for a reason 😂
I used a cb500x in the canaries this time last year, very easy to ride and not big and bulky, I now have a Himmy to enjoy rides around local lanes leaving my tiger 800 xrt for long runs. You should stick with RE and go for the Himmy 450 as it will be more rugged than the cfmoto 450mt
stick with the Honda NX500!! Its awesome!! 😎 well the stats say it is anyway!! But buy what you are comfortable in riding babe!!
6 years, 10 countries and 89,000 miles on my CB500X, including an 11,000 miler across the US and TAT. Still smile when i walk in the garage. Zero real problems or mechanical issues, apart from the cush drive bearing in the rear wheel failing at about 50 something thousand miles. Loads of farkles available for the CB, to be added as and when budget allows.
The NX is a CB with newer body styling. So, IMO, you can't go wrong with the NX. OR, you could pick up a used CB for a price that's within your budget. Though i'd suggest a 2019 and up.
The CF moto does have some good reviews. But... can you count on reliability, the way you can with Honda? And be able to find workshops and available parts for CF's?
Plus the added cost of cans of ACF, to fight the reported rust issues on (arguably) lower quality parts Chinese bikes
Honda's will always have a reasonable residual value whilst i question that of the Chinese models . My experience in the past like you've stated cheap price because of cheap inferior materials used. Will you see the CF and such alike advertised for sale with 150,000 miles on them in the future and still going strong? Most of the Chinese CG and DR engined 125's were junk before there 1st MOT's.
Honda is on a different level to RE and CF Moto, proper bike!
You wish
Had over a dozen Hondas in my 50 plus years of riding and never had a breakdown, as a matter of fact just had my first flat tire on my CB 500 x last year.
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Easy, Honda cb500x. Buy second hand. Best bike.
@georgeharsin6292 Luck of the draw, my cb500f broke down (eng temp sensor failure) at 240 miles. Guy at my dealer has cb650 24 plate and instrument cluster filled with water and fizzed. So Japanese bikes not what they were!
Yep the Honda is more expensive but look at what you’re getting. Reliability, parts availabilty, a network of dealerships/service continents wide. CF Moto is unproven imo. I’d steer clear and let them build a reputation before jumping on board.
Ah, but CF Moto have strong links to KTM, that's not unproven!
@@restdayrider Links as in copying but they are not the same machine.
@@tomwagner6334 I quote from the great web " CFMoto and KTM are, of course, partners in a Chinese joint venture, and CFMoto has long been tasked with manufacturing engines for use in KTM’s bikes. " 😊
@@restdayriderYour right. KTM actually does distribute CFmoto bikes here in the UK now. I am owner of a CFMoto 650MT. Only downside at the moment is official and aftermarket parts availability. Alot get shipped from overseas. So takes time for alot to arrive if you need something.
I had to wait a month to get new Coils for my bike under warranty. Also took a month to get new fuel pump as well. So I was without a bike for those months waiting on new parts.
@@restdayrider I sincerely hope you have nothing but the best experience with that brand or really any bike you choose. Love your videos!
Don’t think Fowlers will be on my visit list given how you were treated, truly appalling!😊
It wasn't ideal. 😐
Poor show Fowlers, especially after calling ahead! Go with your heart Charlie😊
Living up to their nickname ........... Fowlups 😂
Gone right off them, conned me out of £300 for a service on a bike I bought from them and didn't do half of what I paid for. This is after ten years of buying bikes and parts from them. This is the problem with multi franchise places they've pretty much wiped out all the other bike shops in the area so with no local competition they now don't give a fuck about their smaller customers.
Buy cheap. Buy twice! Save and wait. 👍plus don’t forget re-sale values👎
Charlie get a late model CB500X its the same bike as the NX . Many used ones come with all the extras , You can get a 2023 for under £5000 .
Agree! Can get a nice low mileage one for under 4k now
This is the way I would go too.
True, all this crappie about touring pack etc, just getting more money out of us bikers sod the big shops
That's a valid point. So, the reason I am looking this time at new, is probably personal choice. At 52 years old I have never bought anything new, ever. No cars, bikes, cameras, sofas, washing machines, lawn mowers ... Nothing of any value. It's all been second hand or more, or gifted. This time, I wanted to save and earn something that was wholly mine. Not sure if that makes any sense, but it's the reason I'm taking my time and doing my research, it's a big thing for me. 😊
@@restdayrider Go for it Charlie and enjoy your choice . Hope your feeling a bit better now .
honda nx 500 a little more but so good and brand you know for quality and good resale. Thanks for the great vid
I always ask myself what do I want the Bike for? Do you want to do longer journeys at slightly higher speeds in more comfort and with the knowledge that the Bike won't let you down. Then go for the NX or CB500x. Do you want to do more off roady type of stuff? Then get the new Himmy. I understand the appeal of the CF but it's cheap for a reason and will the dealerships that are currently selling them still be selling them and parts three years from now? Too many smaller brands get abandoned after a while and dealers change franchises. Just some things to ponder.
I think as CF has such an established history of engineering in their quad vehicles and their strong ties to KTM that they should be all good. 😊
I would say, that CF moto is OK...
But VOGE which was mentioned somewhere here... I was in VOGE shop and was looking for VOGE 650 DSX - it´s like modern "remake" of old BMW F60GS. Few days ago I owned BMW F650 GS Dakar (2005) and sold her few days ago, so I had an opportunity to compare it with VOGE :)
The reason, why I sold my BMW Dakar was, that I want more "street" bike. And BMW was too plastic, heavy, old (very expensive spare parts)... I didn´t have joy while riding... Actually I "felt in love" with Triumph Scrambler 400X - because it´s the opposit of plastic heavy bikes, moreover its new, simple, affordable ;)
People are not the same, so everybody of us has own priorities ;)
I would love to buy a HONDA bike (because of japanese reliability), but I want a bike which I will love ;)
the base bike is 10k here in Finland, without anything extra. Honda goldwing cost 50k. 21k for the GODDAMNFUCKINGFRICKINGHELLONEARTHSHITE taxes.
Bad form Fowlers.........Bad form. Pointless calling ahead to arrange a test ride with them, so I wont bother to darken their doorstep..
I was a tad annoyed 😐
It took me a long while to work out what to get back to biking on, and I'm pleased with the results. Now I'm doing a long search for the next beastie in my stable, but it won't be via Fowlers. If they can't be arsed to hold back a few hours before the service to honour their promise, then there's plenty of dealers who will.
BTW, I've never understood why we're allowing Americanisms to slide into our grammar and spelling. What the heck does "price point" confer, that just saying "price" doesn't? Just asking for a friend 😏, but stating that I'll NEVER use that term.
I’m as conflicted as you are between the Honda NX500 and the CFmoto 450MT. In my case I’d like to replace my daily commuter which is a CRF250SM with something a bit more powerful. Not that I need more power as it does well for what I need but if I’m taking a pillion it just doesn’t cope well. I do love the spec on the CFmoto. Only thing I wish is that it came with a more road focused variant having smaller rims and road focused tires. I’ve no aspirations to go off road. I’m also concerned if CFmoto would be as reliable as the Honda. I’ve had the CRF for almost 10 years now and never did it fail me; ride it everyday. Maybe I should wait another year?
you need to test a ktm 390 adventure!! bargain compared the the Honda etc.......nearly new used bargains around too.....
I wouldn't be doing my job as a Facebook group user, you need to buy a Yamaha R1, Ducati Panagale V4S, CBR1000RR-R SP, GSX-R1000R or a Hayabusa! Ahhh, I feel so much better... 😂😂😂😂
That's a lot of stuff! 😂
Good review, I owned a 22 CB500X, basically the same bike as NX500, except for the faring's, display, and lighter wheels. As you're aware, its nimble, quick, great for curves, and fun to ride, Some owners show their display with over 240,000 miles on it with minor repairs and good maintenance on the engine. I was getting 80 mpg or 3.5 liter to 100km riding about the same speed in you did in the demo ride. I'm 15.5 stones and be assured the bike will do 110 mph, verified by GPS, a few hundred under the red line. I loved that bike, but I totaled my off road on dirt/gravel road, I'm now on Transalp 750. If you looking to keeping your next bike long term, you can't go wrong with the NX500.
The CS Moto 450 is already available in the American market. KTM has a large share in the company and bike is full of features. The only complaint about the bike that I read is from the off road crowd, which use the clutch continually in the worst terrain. They all say the factory clutch sucks, it's not smooth, it's grabby, they resolved the issue by installing none OEM clutch plates and stronger springs and it's fine. Otherwise, people really like the bike, but it's a new bike so it's dependability and longevity has not been established. Looking forward to you review to the next two bikes.
It is CF Moto. I would never buy a CF Moto Chicom bike.I would quit riding first and I have been riding for nearly 60 years
Tough choice yes, but I recon the RE brand and all Japanese bikes have it over CF Moto simply because of how long they’ve been in production. All issues ironed out etc. I suppose Chinese bikes could eventually become a top brand, but for me, at the moment, “better the devil you know!” Just a thought that perhaps should also enter the equation. Always enjoy your content 👍😉
Thank you 😊
I won't be visiting Fowlers at any point. What a poor performance by them.
Meanwhile I have given up buying new motorcycles. I now let someone else take that huge initial hit on the price. Plenty of fabulous 1-2 year old machines out there for a few thousand less than new with all the extras already added and paid for by the first buyer...
Honda. anytime, any day. in the long run, it pay for it self.
But you choose whatever make you happy.
At the end of the day, you only have to ride it, you don't have to marry it😝.
Honda quality and re'sale value, problem is it comes with the initial capital outlay and it's so easy to go over your budget but Unfortunately like all thing's if you buy someone to expensive it can make you miserable!
From what I hear, the Chinese bikes lose value fast-cheap to buy but not easy to get rid of. The standard spec at such a low price is tempting, though.
Pillion? Get on like you would a horse. Both hands on the riders shoulders. Step outside foot on the rear footpeg, step up, keeping your weight as much to the center as you can as your throw your other leg over the bike, and sit down. Easy Peasy.
Suggest watch MAD TV as they test both bikes properly around Australia
Finding a bike that suits, is such a personal thing that no one can tell you what you should buy. However, I say this. What are three things about Roger that you like and three things you don't. Now with that list in mind apply the same factors to the bikes you test ride. How will you use the next bike? What is it's purpose? What has it got to have? CF Moto 450 MT is a dirt bike. Do you NEED another one? Maybe read the MCN Review of it. What if the new Himalayan's engine feels like the 400 Triumphs. P.S. the term "scrambler" is now misused to describe a style rather than an intended usage. Looks like it was made for the rough stuff but is only fit for the paved road.
Thanks, that's some good explaining there. 😊
I’m getting the feeling recently that dealerships only want to let somebody demo a bike if they are deffo going to buy it. What’s the point in a demo fleet if folk cant ride them!! I have a CB500x and love it, does everything I need 95% of the time. A bit low on power for a quick overtake. Ride safe. 👍
Weird to hear someone actually make fun of the Scrambler 400, as all other reviews have been very positive.
It just wasn't for me. 😊
Good luck with that choice cf moto are gaining a good reputation and all that equipment as standard ummmm errrr
I had a CB500X, mine came with lowered dog bones, and the forks were dropped down 20 mm. You'd be able to flat foot it then👍
Just concerned lowering rides that I lose the ground clearance. 😐
Sell everything else and get the Honda. Keeping bikes due to emotional attachment when you've outgrown them makes no sense. Especially when it means you can't afford the bike you should be on. Honda makes you a better rider, you said it yourself, that's your answer.
Kids, Dog, the whole she-bang. 😂
Kids definitely, keep the dog though.
CF moto all day long, if not then what about a used Triumph?
Great vid, I've been enjoying bikes all of my life and slowly after going through the different stages in wants capabilities both physically and financially i've come down to 2 bikes, a little Suzuki GSX1400 which in nice weather never fails to put a massive grin on my face BUT my go to gem is my Honda CB500x a 2014 model which is a superb machine.It's as happy trundling around town and local lanes as it is at the speed limits along the dual track, relatively simple and well put together with a good dealer and spares back up too. I've owned it for 8 years and have to admit a little while ago i did consider trading it in for something different/ newer but come the end i personally felt happier keeping my old dependable. Lots of really great advice in the comments and obviously your good self and your mates aren't daft , way up the pros and cons and do mega amounts of research and check out basic service items and replacement bits if the bike God forbid toppled over it's' no good having a new bike that's off the road for months when you can't get the bits or the garage can't book you in for a month plus for a needed service stamp in the book! Maybe have a look at a slightly secondhand 500x outgoing model , no VAT depreciation and the possibility of buying a fully loaded trade in at a good price, Sometimes what appears to be the cheapest from the offset doesn't always work out that way . Be safe folks and enjoy your hunting the good old thrill of the chase happy days. I look forward to see how you get on. Enjoy
Good advice, thank you for the comment. 😊
Great video. I've never seen the CF Moto. My only concern would be the reliability of the CF over the Honda NX500, parts availability and dealer network, especially if you intend to tour Europe. Honda have a proven pedigree. Also, Lust Racing supply modified "dog bones" which can drop the NX500 suspension and therefore seat height 25mm. You can also raise the fork tubes in the tree clamps slightly. What a dilema.
I think that as CF have been making parts for KTM since 2013 that they're pretty proven, and have a good race track record. 😊
Is it just me that the bigger the dealership the worse the service.
I bought my CRF250 new from Fowlers in 2020; terrible service! It's worth travelling there to ooh and aah over the bikes on display and the cafe is legendary, but I'll never buy another bike from them
Great vid Charlie. I had a CF Moto 650MT during 2022/23. It took me all around Scotland twice, several journeys around Wales and so many more trip in the midlands. It never skipped a beat. The 450 looks so much value I'll have it as a second bike. I now have a Tracer 7GT and hand on heart the CF Moto quality is right where it needs to be. As the dealer network grows so will the brand and confidence will grow.
Thank you, that's really good to know 😊
I think the new Himmy would be the best bet . A second hand Honda would also be good but watch out for the servicing costs as they are a complicated little beast underneath the plastic .
As for Chinese , well , I am biased here and wouldn't touch one with a barge pole . Call me old fashioned but I have a severe problem sending my hard earned cash to an aggressive totalitarian regime that has such terrible human rights record . I know about BMW and KTM connection but they are only in it to get bikes cheaply made .
It's a personal choice , but there are factors that are more important than purchase price .
It will be interesting to test ride them all.
Hi Charlie, I seem to remember that I suggested the Honda to you, before you purchased your Himmy and before your visit to the NEC. Take your time with your purchase, but as the owner of two Honda's, one my new 24 plate manual NC750X, the build quality of Honda is good and their engines super reliable and the mileage returned from the 500X is good. In my opinion you can't go wrong with Honda, so check out reviews of the 500, for example, MCN. You should definitely consider a second-hand one with low mileage, ideally from a dealer with a warranty for peace of mind, and save money. Regarding the accessories, I have just fitted many aftermarket parts to my NC rather than the official Honda accessories, at a fraction of the price so you could do that with the NX 500. I know you enjoy your Himmy, so the new one should be considered as well as the CF Moto, which continues to improve and you get a lot for your money, but the resale value on this will be less. Personally what I think is "pay cheap pay twice", I know you like the RE's, have you considered the discounted RE's 650's, as a twin MC will have less vibration than a single. Whatever you choose test ride all of them before buying. 😎
Thank you Stephen, good advice there. I am trying not to be swayed by the RE brand and use my head. I was really surprised by the Honda. 😊
@@restdayriderThat's good, test ride the others then test ride the 50OX again!
I've had triumph old and new,I'd never get another modern triumph.
The cb500x had high or low seats, I assume that the NX is the same. All the dealer.
Regarding the bike, the cb500x was without doubt the most boring bike (2020 model) I have owned in 40 years of biking. I've now chopped it in for a 23 plate cb500f, far more engaging for me now I'm out in the breeze (all year round rider).
My dealer tells me my Himalayan 450 should be here by mid May!😮
Mid May??? 😔
the 650 royal enfield i fight my self not to buy it
I rode a CF Moto 2 years ago, not adventure style, more urban style. The fuelling was awful, especially at lower speed. The sales guy put it down to the ride by wire throttle! My brother was testing and adventure bike at the same time and had the same experience. Hopefully they've ironed it out now as there's a whole lot of bang for your buck.
Honestly? I’d be scared of investing in the CF Moto. Maybe I’m too “you get what you pay for” old school! 😅 As you are aware, there is tons of positivity from EVERYWHERE for the new Himi. Yes I appreciate that Chinese built bikes are getting better and better, but I just think that putting your trust in the Royal Enfield, you won’t go far wrong.
I just wish that since they split from MotoGB they had got their act together, the communication has been shocking to UK dealers and as for the time delays....😱
The new Himalayan is an improvement over the old model which is good as I am hoping the older models will reduce in 2nd hand price? ( yeah rite, lols). I'm one for buying cheaper Bikes and self modding I would like to rebuild an older Himalayan. I call them "The Land Rover of Bikes" the new has lost that look? The Chinese Bike will it hold value? How many miles will it do before major money needed? Honda you won't have either of that to worry about. Buy the Honda and Mod Yourself with aftermarket gear yourself.
It's a conundrum!
Well. I started off being impressed with Fowlers but….wouldn’t buy a glove off them now! Typical large flashy dealer with rubbish attitude to customers . Demo bike due a service?.just pieing you off what a load of shite. I’d go elsewhere…the Honda is a good bike but …from a decent shop. Cheers.
Its a nice place to have a mooch and a browse, but I wouldn't buy from there. 😏
Hi Charlie. Thanks for your insights on deliberating on what bike you should get next. I feel I will have a very similar experience in a couple of years when I retire and want to choose a bike for touring. Just a thought, would you consider lowering a bike to allow you have better stability? Lowering kits are not expensive. So many people say not to lower a bike but in my experience, we don't push bikes to their limits so its not really an issue. I hope you can make a calculated decision. Look forward to the blogs on the 'new' bike.
I did lower Roger initially, however it does create some ground clearance loss, and I don't really want that on an adventure bike now. 😊
Fowlers may look flash, but that's obviously all. If you book a test bike, it should be there. Requiring a service is total BS 💩. Maybe it self destructs if it passes the service date/mileage. Luckily I live a long way from Bristol so wouldn't use them anyway
The CF looks good, just wonder how corrosion resistant it is.
Why would the corrosion resistance be a worry? 🤔
The CFMoto 450 Mt has a lot going for it and is causing quite a stir in the small bike adventure market so it's Chinese CFMoto make the 790 for KTM who have a shares in the company and rumours say that the 450 engine was designed for a 490 KTM we will never know so it's got to be worth a serious look only real question will be residuals if you sell it they do look nice though. Best of luck whatever you choose.
I've been reading a lot about CFmoto, the more I do the more I like. 😊
Well Fowlers can flock off !! they could have done it but your only a would be customer ?? Rock on BLADE !! I have a cf moto mt450 on order having got a 650 cf moto gt ! also have the royal enfield super meteor =bomb proof , cant wait for your review on MT 450 rgds Paul from Oztralia xx
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Make sure the fuel compatibility ie e5 e10 is what you can find in your area, many of the Chinese derivatives ie cf moto are recommended to run on e5 only, salesmen will try to convince you this is not so. E10 can damage the fuel systems of bikes that are not built to run on it, do your home work first.
Take time to research before committing, if you put e10 in these bikes and it has issues your warranty will be void.
Not dissing cf moto just be aware of what you are buying and it’s fuel requirements.
Thank you, that's handy to know.
I’ve had a 500X for a year now and love it. I found the seat height too tall, so I had it lowered and I had the seat remodelled, so height now is about 800 which allows me to flat foot both feet.
On the same note. I am 80 and bought a 2023 Honda Monkey and put a rear rack on the bike. Could not swing my leg over without hitting the rack. Fix. found wear my butt was and cut the seat foam off the back and tucked in the seat cover and restabled it back on. Problem solved. The seat is to long for one and to short for two. So, it is just me so did what needed to be done. Works great and now have a top box on it.
I fully understand how you felt at the beginning. I CAN NOT ride pillion. I get on teh seat and I'm in ride mode. I hp on as pillion and I still control the bike I just can't sit there and let the rider be in control Well Fowlers that the way to win a customer and keep them isn't it. Yeah 3 bikes but they are not Royal Enfiekds are they
It's such a bizarre feeling initially!
Don’t consider buying Honda accessories there are much better third party suppliers out there. On mine I’ve got a lot of SW Motech parts and Givi Canyon soft panniers.
Good to know. 😊
Motor cycle dirt bike tv Australia utube channel...said a pause for thought if you do a lot of off road buy 450 himalayan and you do mostly road buy the cfmoto mt450...mmmmmm
Good point.
The CFmoto 450MT is definitely worth a look. Low seat height and lower weight than the NX.. 4 year warranty too.. its the one I would go for over the Himalayan and would be perfect for you and it will sell well at that price..
New Himalayans are now appearing at dealers. My local Royal Enfield dealer (Smalley Cross in Derbyshire) had their demonstrator delivered last week.
None here in the states that I know of !
That CFMoto does sound interesting and they are getting a good reputation at the minute. Plus people are saying that they ain't bad for reliability.
If it's good enough for KTM racing it's good enough for me 😊
I had a 500x it was reliable but so dull and tedious would be perfect to commute on but if you want excitement look elsewhere...the cf moto is really interesting shame they are not hear to test yet hopefully you'll get to ride one soon and it sounds like it could be the one
I'm excited to try it that's for sure. 😊
The CF Moto sure is causing a stir!
CL500 is one that appeals to me
Surely Triumph is a lot more powerful than Roger?
I thought it would be , but I honestly gave it a good go, on the dual carriageway etc, and just..... No! 🤔
I've been crowing about the CF Moto 450MT since it was first announced.
I think it is nearly perfect for a lot of riders.
Been watching MAD TV and they rate it but also say the new 450 Himalayan is also a major player but offers a different ride.
I will closely watch the progress of the CF Moto as I may downsize next year and this is definitely on my list.
Does it have to be a NEW bike??? If, yes, there are options for extras than Honda (Expensive) but why not look at the pre-NX, the CB-X
1-2 years old might find one with all the extras cheaper than a new??(dont be scared off high miles) Maybe also look at the NC 750X from Honda (very economical)
remember when you at adventure bikes they are always taller than other bikes!!
I’d agree 2nd hand nc750x and lower it? Allthe weight low down and ample power
That's a valid point. So, the reason I am looking this time at new, is probably personal choice. At 52 years old I have never bought anything new, ever. No cars, bikes, cameras, sofas, washing machines, lawn mowers ... Nothing of any value. It's all been second hand or more, or gifted. This time, I wanted to save and earn something that was wholly mine. Not sure if that makes any sense, but it's the reason I'm taking my time and doing my research, it's a big thing for me. 😊
The cf moto looks so much nicer...
Have a look at Exeter riders reviews on the Benelli 502 x and the Voge 500DS!
Out of curiosity, if you would consider a Chinese bike as you thinking of the cf moto, have you seen the Vogue username kate did a review on that, it's looks really good with lots of extras as standard
I have had a chat about the Voge, sadly it seems the after market support may not be up to scratch. 🤔
Me choosing a bike “can I have one of each please” if only I’d won the lottery 😂 good to test ride them 👍 bought a triumph bobber on pure looks one time and regretted it! Not really a bike for a man in his 40s with a bad back 🤦♂️ back to cruisers!! I was secretly happy the bobber was stolen in manchester but don’t tell the insurer! 🥴 great video, I feel your dilemma 👍👍👍
😂 love that.
3rd timefor me watching this video. I guess I have to go check and see if you got anything yet!
Hahaha not yet John, waiting for the MT 450 to arrive to test ride. 😄
Good Morning Charlie , for the price it will be hard to ignore for the cf moto , specially for all the extras you get with it , test ride both & chose after that , Dickie's 2 friends have just bought a 800 cf moto , take care & ride safe
Thanks , I have been talking to those 2 chaps too. 😊
Himalayan is becoming a joke!.....I've cancelled my order .....😢 regarding Himalayan tubless only on the white this year. IF! ......you can get one...😩
That does seem to be something that's happening talking to the dealers. 😃
@restdayrider C F moto looks a good deal and it's got 4 year warranty!....Nice 👍
@@Grumpysprout I put my name down for the Hanle Black tubeless Himalayan last november, paid a deposit and hope for a bike on the road at the end of april as also originally advised feb test bikes, march for customer deliveries.
Where have you been advised no tubeless except white versions this year? Is it only new orders? I understood RE were checking who ordered what colour/spec etc and dealers were ensuring bikes would be delievered on a first ordered list, not sure waiting till next year for the black bike is something I want to do. Not helpful as I have already have at home some India sourced Zana accessories!
Guess they will sell if I don't get a bike this year as they have already risen over a £100 now from december for these 7 items?
Hi, the problem on the Hanle black is the rim colour, due to production problems they can not match front and rear colours and production has stopped and will not be available for 2023. Only kemit with black tubeless rims, or hanle black with tubed rims, my order was for hanle black tubeless which was ordered back in November 23 is now cancelled 😢........sorry for bad news
Apparently me mate was watching the vid last night and shouting at the telly telling you to go for the cfmoto 😂
Hahahaha love that. 😂
Looking at the map and realising there was a big music shop near Templemeads rail station and just across the roundabout Fowlers motorcycles I just had to have a day out. Last Wednesday. Bought a new Roland FP-e50.
Typical Fowlups
I was interested in the Cfmoto but chose the cb500x. Resale value ,fuel consumption, build quality,parts and a great local dealer which I think is super important. But I am glad you’ve chosen the CfMoto
smart, also supporting communists is uncool.
I think if you want the Honda then get it or you will regret it. One thing I would say is never get sentimental over a bike, keeping the RE and buying the same type of bike is a waste, plus I recon the RE would end up not getting used. If you want two bikes, and you have an adventure already, then why buy another. I would see the point if you got a sport or cruiser, but two adventure bikes is pointless.
However, if you still maintain you want the Honda they buy second hand, you will get one on bike sales for half or even less than half price and fully kitted out. I have had new and yet my last purchase was a 2010 Goldwing . I bought it last year and the reason I went second hand was so I could keep my KTM 1290 super adventure s which I love for commuting.
Choose wisely or you may regret your next purchase. Golden rule is buy what you want, and if too expensive then but second hand and save thousands.
Look forwards to seeing what you buy next.
That's a valid point. So, the reason I am looking this time at new, is probably personal choice. At 52 years old I have never bought anything new, ever. No cars, bikes, cameras, sofas, washing machines, lawn mowers ... Nothing of any value. It's all been second hand or more, or gifted. This time, I wanted to save and earn something that was wholly mine. Not sure if that makes any sense, but it's the reason I'm taking my time and doing my research, it's a big thing for me. 😊
@@restdayrider I understand that perfectly. When we moved to Australia in 2008 we were the exact same. We went out and bought a new mitsubishi asx, not a bad car, then traded in for a jeep wrangler diesel brand new. Now it is paid I wouldn't go to that expense again. Bikes I have bought a few new, the last was the KTM, but again I learnt through experience that it is false economy and the Goldwing proved it.
But good luck in your search.
By the way, the new CFmoto is s a joint venture with KTM, so engine wize you can't go wrong.
I have been watching That Biker Simon touring India on 3 different bikes Royal Enfield Himalayan 450 vs Triumph Scrambler 400X vs KTM 390 Adventure, somehow I think the Himmie would the choice, due to larger fuel tank range, over the other two and adjustable seat (as one of the other riders is 5'4'') on the seat side the KTM he described as a plank of wood and too high and the Triumph would bottom out quickly on rough ground. It's a shame the Honda's add ons are two expensive! The CF Moto could be a good option, They build for KTM, and Yamaha have stake holding according to the internet search.
That's my thinking too on the CF, I guess it all comes down to the ride.
Sono alto 163 cm e anche io ero innamorato dell'himalayan 450 e l'ho provata, ma dopo che sono salito sulla nx500 , mi sono accorto dell'enorme differenza di peso e agilità tra le 2 moto. Seppur la scheda tecnica di entrambe danno lo stesso peso, la nx 500 a confronto della himalayan 450, sembra che sia una bici a pedali un peso piuma, veramente molto più facile da spostare e inclinare da ferma , ma anche in movimento (anche se il divario è minore) la honda da 1000 volte più sicurezza e facilità di guida, quindi penso che acquisterò la nx500, poi in quanto a borse e accessori vari, mi affiderà all'aftermarket (givi, kappa ecc) molto meno costosi degli accessori originali. Poi , anche io , avevo messo un occhio di riguardo sulla nuova cf 450 mt, ma se fai molti km come me in moto, vedendo gli intervalli di manutenzione (ogni 5000km ) , l'ho scartata a priori, perchè anche queste poi sono spese, dato che ne avrei fatti 2 ogni hanno rispetto alla honda (che si fanno ogni 12000km), ma anche la stessa himalayan (ogni 10000km). Sarei contento di sapere , quando proverai la himalayan , se anche tu, avrai notatao questa enorme differenza di peso nel manovrarla da ferma, rispetto alla honda. Detto questo ti auguro di azzeccare la moto giusta , qualunque essa sia da quelle citate
I think after market giving for the Honda is definitely the way to go, much cheaper! Thank you for your thoughts. 😊
CFMOTO Chinese!🥴
Why new Charlie? Worst value look at 1or 2 yr olds. Glad for honesty on Triumph, a bike I’d never own. I feel the same as RE for me. I just need more performance. I wish RE would produce a competitive 70bhp. I can see all the hype about CF Moto BUT… do you remember covid and you couldn’t get parts for anything made by man. CF Moto and KTM in some kind of partnership. Most woes with ktm owners on here are electrics never mind the mechanicals
It's a valid question, the answer is, I've never had anything new, ever. No new car, no new cameras nothing that I can call my own that I have saved for and bought, everything has been second hand or a gift. This is my first purchase and I'm excited about that. 😊
I could never have known that. I am 65 and neither have I. Lots of my friends have had many new bikes and cars. I have been looking at treating myself to a new car at 66 and been test driving a few. The result - I like what I’ve got😂😂😂. I am glad that you are looking away from RE because as a viewer RE and Truimph are all the content. Whatever you buy I will be a loyal fan as I love the channel. I just wish I was 20 yrs younger and could camp again. That Honda suited you well. - just my opinion
Have you thought about looking at the CF Moto 650 MT or even the new 800. Very competitive can include all panniers and top box and come all singing all dancing for touring. Also they are in collaboration with KTM and feedback has been rather positive. This is what I’m currently looking at
Ignore that Typed it before the end 😂😂😂😂😂
I did have a look, but the 650 is a little tall and heavy, the 800 is also tall, I have some friends who have them. 😐
Hi Charlie I'm going play devil's advocate here, CF Moto is a Chinese bike, it might well be made by one of the better Chinese bike makers, possibly better made than the RE's but it because it doesn't have a strong brand name or a loyal fan base it will always be just another Chinese's bike. It's second hand value would be next to nothing after a couple of years. The RE's have a strong following and that keeps used prices reasonable. So if you're thinking of making it a forever bike go with the one you like most, but if you're thinking of changing it in a couple of years maybe think about it's long term value.😊Me I'd buy the Honda😂
Thank you, interesting point. I seem to be thinking long term rather than worrying about resale value. 😊
Then enjoy your treat ride's and go with what ever tickles your fancy
Fowlers. Did your research , rang ahead and on the day no bike. Id've been so annoyed. Nice video 😊
P.s Username Kate , similar height to you reviewed Voge 525 ! you might wana research that. It's Chinese
I was a tad annoyed! I will have a look at the Voge.
I love the triumph perfect bike much better than the RE. Took it on a greatvtest ride.
Such a choice but don’t jump at anything yes the CF Moto might be cheaper initially and also a very good bike but has it got the soul of an Enfield wait and try the Enfield yourself in the mean time take out a 650 shotgun you might be surprised.your choice👍.
I hope the test rides will give me a feel for character. 😊
@@restdayrider RE can be very similar to Triumph... So, if you want / like Honda, buy Honda ;)
I like Royal Enfield HNTR 350, but it´s very under-powered. New Himalayan is great bike, but too similar to my old BMW Dakar (with all negatives). "Himi" is often compared with Scrambler 400X and results are different. Both bikes are great, but for different use and people ;). I would like 400X and you "Himi" (may be) ;)
Bike dealers and customer service are mutually exclusive.
Great vid Charlie , i bought a cf 650 mt from treads a few weeks ago best move ever .
No way a 411cc 24 bhp himmy rider called a 400cc 40bhp 400x underpowered 😂😂☠️
I did, because that's how it felt! Roger has more pull than that for absolute sure!
Yes roger will have more pull cause its a long stroke (= all torque right from the beginning of the rev range ), but `power` is the rate of torque which is what the hp numbers represent which also dictates highway cruise-ability and top speed.
But it struggled to get to 60 on the dual carriageway! Roger doesn't !
@@restdayrideridk cause i have been seeing people getting 100mph on the speed400 (top speed) and 90 on the scram , are u sure u were using the 9k revs? Or maybe something was wrong with that particular bike.
I owned BMW F650GS Dakar (ca 39 kW) and tried Scrambler 400X (ca 30 kW). Triumph was powerful enough compared to BMW Dakar. Even more light, easy to ride and beautiful... Then I felt on my Dakar like if I had beed ridden "elefant" ;)
There must have been something wrong during your test ride on 400X...
There is also the new vogue 525 Dsx,to consider,at £6199, it's had some good reviews recently by, mark pulling,and username Kate.
If you have problem with the seat hight maybe "DoodleOnAMotorcycle" can give some tips. Another interesting bike is the new Rieju Aventura 500. The same engine as Honda 500. If you only dayride you can use the tank under the seat to lower the weight center och move the weight from the front.
Honda!
Think you have found your niche ,testing bikes. One of the best videos you have done. Excellent
Thank you 😊
Cracking video as always. I'd definitely go for the Honda. You looked great on that bike. So reliable and great for touring. Worth the extra cash. Thanks for posting.
Thank you 🙂
One bike you must try is the Benelli 702,you would love that bike ,the quality is spot on,the comfort is incredible, i love the bike,bullet prof motor Kwaker,can't go wrong.
"Nothing to prove" took the Triumph speed 400, same engine as the scrambler, up to 105 mph , so that's weird you thought it was struggling at 55 .
Good morning Charlie.
I have a CF Moto (650nk) and I love it, it's as good as anything else on the road, it handles superbly, has all the bits and bobs you could need and has been 100% reliable👍
There is a 650MT and 800MT ( both parallel twins) version that's similar to the one you're looking at. I'm only 5'7"" and honestly I struggled with the 800MT as it was too tall for me as it was, but I think there is a lowering kit possible for the 650+800. The test ride of the 800MT was epic, I loved it, super smooth, comfy,and handled like a dream.
I think when you get astride the one you're looking at, you'll be impressed.
Can't wait to see how you get on.☺️
Thank you, that's really helpful to know. 😊
As a Honda CB500X owner I would certainly recommend this bike as a versatile machine offering great fuel economy. Add accessories from Givi, Renntec etc.rather than from the Honda catalogue and add some soft luggage and the purchase price isn't bumped up nearly as much.....just a thought! I'm sure that you will enjoy your new machine, whichever one you choose. Cheers.
saw you at the end of the henry cole show last night .
I'm famous! 😂
Bennett’s bike social have just released a RUclips video on the CF Moto 450, it may be worth a look at that, it looks quite interesting.
Have a look at the cfmoto 650mt £4999!!!
I did take a peek, a bit tall and a bit heavy. 😐