That is just excellent! You were fortunate to get one of those! I've been following your channel for a while now! Never tire of watching your posts! Mark in Iowa.
Beautiful K5LA Horn! Although I wish these horns could’ve stayed around with the Genesis Locomotives a little longer. It’s sad that they evicted these horns from their homes at a really early age. But tbh hese are definitely better then the F40 horns!
I have no clue, this was eight years ago, and I no longer have this horn. I didn’t know where it came from when I first got it, just that it was off of a P42.
That K5LA really does sound like Amtrak. Are there any other K5LA horns elsewhere? Some K5la horns can be also on buses, trucks, cars and other vehicles.
@@mafarnz Sadly, yes. Amtrak’s chargers won’t even have narrow font K5LA’s and they definitely won’t have square tag K5LA’s like this one. Amtrak’s chargers will NEVER have better K5LA’s than the Genesis locomotives did.
This sounds like it's playing the notes E, G, A, C, and E and not playing the advertised #D, #F, #G, B, and #D. Why is that? It's like how the K3LA is suppose to play #D, #F, and B which is the K3LA sound I love and hear on RBMN, but a lot of them on different railroads play the weird E, G, and C sound. I never understood why they did so maybe you have an answer?
One characteristic of K horns from the mid 1980's to mid 1990's is that they are very sharp compared to the advertised chord. They weren't bored as deep as they should have been.
Hmm, Sense 2002 I remember the RBMN K3LA's sounding like they had their correct notes, then again they do have a group of people who tune and clean the horns so maybe those K3LA's had their different notes at one point then they got changed by the RBMN. They do sound the best on that railroad
mafarnz great K5 man! Haven't heard one of those like that. I have a question, where do you get your horns? I've been looking for a used K5LA for under a 1000 which I probably will never find... but I go on eBay and amazon and I don't find anything. All I see are the PVC train horn ads and fake car horns advertised as train horns. Since you have so many, where do you get them? Do you find them on eBay or do you find them in an auction? Thanks in advance.
Love your videos! You have a very impressive collection. Is it hard to find these horns? I really want one. I’m part of a group that wants to build a full-size NYC Niagara and this would be really nice to have as a second horn. The WABCO E2 gets boring.
mafarnz For sure inaccurate, but would definitely be nice to have as a secondary horn. Nobody seems to really know what a correct whistle for the Niagara sounds like as the E2 was used so often. Might as well not even go for a whistle.
@Jmream2 Jmream After 2006 the mold pattern for the K horns was changed to include the word AIRCHIME cast into the side of each bell. Since these letters are raised up from the surface that is where the name came from. At the same time the tuning of the K horn changed dramatically, and not for the better. So raised letter refers to any K horn made after this change in 2006.
So the K5LA and K3LA are the American versions of the K3L and K5L horns. The K horns were originally invented for use in Canada, and sounded different. They were adapted for use in the US (for Amtrak in 1978) by taking the #3 and #4 bells and boring out the inside of the bells, to make them wider. This lowers the notes that they played. So straight bore means unbored, or Canadian bell. The #3 plays an A#, the 3A plays G#. The 4 plays a C, the 4A plays a B. BC Rail was big user of the K5H and K5L. (The low profile five chime manifold was another American invention, originally only the K5H manifold existed.)
The term half bore only applies to a #4/4A bell, and is exactly what it sounds like. Its bored out half way between a straight bore #4 and a 4A, resulting in a note that is half way between a B and a C, which isn't anything but out of tune.
3L and 3B are the same thing, and in fact Nathan has used both terms interchangeably, which is where the confiscation comes from. Check this out: www.horn-whistle-board.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=568
Yep, been there done that. There’s always that one trade we regret but it is what it is... very nice horn nonetheless and you have a very nice collection as well. Keep doing what you do!
All P horns are sand cast. Leslie did make blanker plates, they were used only on the SL4T so are quite rare. I’m more than happy to answer your questions. I’d appreciate if you could go to my channel, I have a link to my Facebook there. That way we can chat and not fill up long comment threads.
SuperWorldFan360 These horns come from the northeast corridor, where during the winter it usually snows a lot. This prevents snow from getting lodged in the bells.
This was about 15 years ago before that stuff got popular. He treated it like a normal horn and hardly used it. It would be nice to have one to scare deer off the road around here. The wimpy little napa air horn I have hardly makes em look up.
+x тғw I'm VERY well aware of that. Just because a bell or two is pointed backwards doesn't change it's tone. K5LA and K5LAR24 sounds exactly the same as long as it's the same vintage of horn.
words cant describe how beautiful this horn sounds you sure picked up a nice horn!! and not to sound like a douche but if it came off an engine in 1996 wouldn't it have come off a P40 not a P42?
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The approaching doppler effect on this horn is what makes me like it so much.
1:09 is listed on the Trainz DLS.
Incredible sounding K5LA! Great work.
Amtrak never should've gotten rid of these, they're the best version of the K5LA.
Most of the P42’s still have them, but a lot got ruined by the addition of heated back caps on the 1, 2, & 3A bells.
@@mafarnz yeah since they were made in 1996
cap. AEM-7's of septa had the best K5LA's . same for Amtrak
That is just excellent! You were fortunate to get one of those! I've been following your channel for a while now! Never tire of watching your posts! Mark in Iowa.
Beautiful K5LA Horn! Although I wish these horns could’ve stayed around with the Genesis Locomotives a little longer. It’s sad that they evicted these horns from their homes at a really early age. But tbh hese are definitely better then the F40 horns!
dude, thats the best dang k5la ive ever heard! I hear a lot of the new heated back cap k5's in virginia. I love the raised letter k5's.
10/10 Amazing! I close my eyes and see a 25 car long Amtrak Train with a P42DC leading with an Engineer Blowing the horns proudly.
My gosh that is one GORGEOUS horn! 😍
My God sounds like a P42 coming. I love it
Sounds like amtrak train in Rails unlimited roblox as blue streak
It is.
Yes!
Okay but RU sucks
@@rockvilletrainfan2399 opinion is respected!
@@Uno_611 I mean the staff suck, they stole something of mine
ACE still uses these horns!
Yes the K5LA is very common in the US
I just love that horn:D
Who is this off of? I've heard it was off 27 but I dont know for sure.
I have no clue, this was eight years ago, and I no longer have this horn. I didn’t know where it came from when I first got it, just that it was off of a P42.
nice to see another mbta railfan!
Beautiful horn, where is that filming location at?
Wow its beautiful! And great for Doplar effect testing with horns!
wow, lucky
Very nice find! Reminds me of the Chessie K5LAs.
My old k5la sounds amazing!!!
That K5LA really does sound like Amtrak. Are there any other K5LA horns elsewhere? Some K5la horns can be also on buses, trucks, cars and other vehicles.
The K5LA is one of the most common locomotive horns. Besides being everywhere on railroads they are also all over on peoples vehicles.
@@mafarnz exactly
@@mafarnz Besides that sounds beautiful!
@@mafarnz as well as on fire trucks and rescue vehicles too!
LOVE THAT TRAIN HORN!!!!!
Sounds like something you would’ve heard on their old F40PH’s. Nice video!
maybe a p42dc
This one is from a P42
That’s one amazing horn!
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YEEESSS
Can I please buy this K5LA horn from you???
Nope!
@@mafarnz OK.
I hope a horn like this is on a Siemens Charger locomotive sometime
Unlikely
@@mafarnz or on Strasburg 1235
@@mafarnz Sadly, yes. Amtrak’s chargers won’t even have narrow font K5LA’s and they definitely won’t have square tag K5LA’s like this one. Amtrak’s chargers will NEVER have better K5LA’s than the Genesis locomotives did.
@@TheAustinSubRailfan 🥺🥺🥺gonna miss most of those Genesis locomotives sounds
This sounds like it's playing the notes E, G, A, C, and E and not playing the advertised #D, #F, #G, B, and #D. Why is that? It's like how the K3LA is suppose to play #D, #F, and B which is the K3LA sound I love and hear on RBMN, but a lot of them on different railroads play the weird E, G, and C sound. I never understood why they did so maybe you have an answer?
One characteristic of K horns from the mid 1980's to mid 1990's is that they are very sharp compared to the advertised chord. They weren't bored as deep as they should have been.
Okay, but wait are the newer K3LA's deep and bored as their advertised chords or are the older ones?
All raised letter horns since 2010 are bored to the correct advertised notes, K5's, K3's single chimes ect.
Hmm, Sense 2002 I remember the RBMN K3LA's sounding like they had their correct notes, then again they do have a group of people who tune and clean the horns so maybe those K3LA's had their different notes at one point then they got changed by the RBMN. They do sound the best on that railroad
mafarnz great K5 man! Haven't heard one of those like that. I have a question, where do you get your horns? I've been looking for a used K5LA for under a 1000 which I probably will never find... but I go on eBay and amazon and I don't find anything. All I see are the PVC train horn ads and fake car horns advertised as train horns. Since you have so many, where do you get them? Do you find them on eBay or do you find them in an auction? Thanks in advance.
What is with studs and nuts and no bolts to attach the horns? That normal for this one?
That was my own custom modification. It allows for quick removal and replacement of bells to make other K combos. Definitely NOT normal!
Beautiful singing K5LA, the way they're supposed to sound. Those new raised letter ones sound awful. Are the snow cones original to the horn?
The horn had holes for cones but no cones when I got it. The cones are replacements.
Love your videos! You have a very impressive collection. Is it hard to find these horns? I really want one. I’m part of a group that wants to build a full-size NYC Niagara and this would be really nice to have as a second horn. The WABCO E2 gets boring.
The K5LA wasn’t invented until the late 1970s, so it wouldn’t be accurate, but at nice sound regardless.
mafarnz For sure inaccurate, but would definitely be nice to have as a secondary horn. Nobody seems to really know what a correct whistle for the Niagara sounds like as the E2 was used so often. Might as well not even go for a whistle.
mafarnz what's the difference between a raised letter K5LA & a standard K5LA
@Jmream2 Jmream
After 2006 the mold pattern for the K horns was changed to include the word AIRCHIME cast into the side of each bell. Since these letters are raised up from the surface that is where the name came from. At the same time the tuning of the K horn changed dramatically, and not for the better. So raised letter refers to any K horn made after this change in 2006.
Blackbird Gaming probably an NYC Six or Five chime.
Can you do a video comparing two different K5LA hybrids?
One built as 1, 2, 3, 4A, and 5?
And the other built as 1, 2, 3A, 4, and 5?
+Southeastern Railfan Productions I'll add those to the list of K horn combos to do.
Awesome! And I bet the K-horn foamers are happy now. Lol
In your collection do you have a K5HL?
+Jim Subka No, but I do have a 1L and straight bore 3 and 4 bells that I can put on this manifold to make the same sound as a K5HL.
So the K5LA and K3LA are the American versions of the K3L and K5L horns. The K horns were originally invented for use in Canada, and sounded different. They were adapted for use in the US (for Amtrak in 1978) by taking the #3 and #4 bells and boring out the inside of the bells, to make them wider. This lowers the notes that they played. So straight bore means unbored, or Canadian bell. The #3 plays an A#, the 3A plays G#. The 4 plays a C, the 4A plays a B. BC Rail was big user of the K5H and K5L. (The low profile five chime manifold was another American invention, originally only the K5H manifold existed.)
The term half bore only applies to a #4/4A bell, and is exactly what it sounds like. Its bored out half way between a straight bore #4 and a 4A, resulting in a note that is half way between a B and a C, which isn't anything but out of tune.
A 3B IS a factory offering. It is a #3 that plays an A at 440 Hz, bored out half way between a 3 and a 3A.
3L and 3B are the same thing, and in fact Nathan has used both terms interchangeably, which is where the confiscation comes from. Check this out: www.horn-whistle-board.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=568
Funny I came across this video again and read the serial more closely, I know where this horn is now!
Oh? Where is it?
Currently with a friend of mine not too far from me in SoCal. Actually had the chance to give it a run on my setup the other day!
Nice! I’m glad for what I got but I still regret trading it away.
Yep, been there done that. There’s always that one trade we regret but it is what it is... very nice horn nonetheless and you have a very nice collection as well. Keep doing what you do!
rails unlimited moment lol 0:47
Sounds great! Are 1980s k5las sand cast?
There was only ever one sand cast K5LA, that being the prototype in the late 1970’s. All production K5LA’s including the 1980’s are die cast.
Thanks! Do 1980s k5las weigh more or use up more air than modern k5las?
Nope. Die cast is die cast.
Thanks! Are micro precision p3s sand cast? I’m guessing so. Also, does Leslie have blanker plates?
All P horns are sand cast.
Leslie did make blanker plates, they were used only on the SL4T so are quite rare.
I’m more than happy to answer your questions. I’d appreciate if you could go to my channel, I have a link to my Facebook there. That way we can chat and not fill up long comment threads.
Even the quilling sounds good!
Damn that sucker sounds awesome!
+AmtrakCal462 It really does, and that's saying somethign coming from me, i don't even like K horns!
What are the cones for?
SuperWorldFan360 These horns come from the northeast corridor, where during the winter it usually snows a lot. This prevents snow from getting lodged in the bells.
Amtrak puts cones on all its horns. It keeps not only snow but other debris out of them.
dude where are you
Moscow Idaho
We finally got the train horn for our oh scale
That’s so weird how each run-by sounds so different.
Doppler affect matters a lot, that's why I do runby recordings as well as static.
What I would give to get one of those...
NE Railfan 812 well K5LA’s online are usually very very expensive. Can be at lowest $1000
You're crazy, Matt!Sounds good!
+Richard Pushman Lol you already knew that!
That came off of a phase 4 F40PH
Thanks for the info!
You’re welcome I have heard that horn
Was it from F40PHR unit 404???
0:47 rails unlimited horn
first one was from rails unlimited, Last one was from scratch🤓.
Yeah. It sucks to have them stollen from me with no credit or compensation.
@@mafarnz Indeed
I know🙁 they didn't even get credit or nothing they just stole it😔
But I do feel bad about that though..
@@mafarnz And she's a beauty, wish I had one. I'm still saving up for a K5H or something
Sound more like a ACE cab car horn then a P42DC
Those cab cars were made in roughly the same year.
Rails unlimited MUSEUM TRAIN HORN!
I hate RU
@@rockvilletrainfan2399 any reason why just curious.
OG!
The horn is on trainz
what is it listed as
Sure is, I have it on my Amtrak f40 and I didn’t know until I watched this video
Sounds like a p40dc
Funny, because that’s exactly what it came off of.
MaFarnz cool
MaFarnz sounds amazing
Train listened on the railroad
SOUNDS AMAZING!!!!!!!!!! Would you be interested in selling this horn
+Sam Compton No I traded it a while ago, and have regretted it even since.
I had a neighbor with one of these on his truck. It was insane.
+Jon Woods Yeah unfortunately the K5LA has become the favorite of hornblasters.
This was about 15 years ago before that stuff got popular. He treated it like a normal horn and hardly used it.
It would be nice to have one to scare deer off the road around here. The wimpy little napa air horn I have hardly makes em look up.
Sounds like a Norfolk Southern K5LAR24.
+TRAINS FOR YOU or a CSX K5LA, or a UP K5LA, or a transit K5LA, or a short line K5LA, or any other K5LA from the time frame.
mafarnz You know your horns well.
+SubaruWRX fan yup that's what R24 means.
mafarnz R24 means Reversed bells 2 and 4
+x тғw I'm VERY well aware of that. Just because a bell or two is pointed backwards doesn't change it's tone. K5LA and K5LAR24 sounds exactly the same as long as it's the same vintage of horn.
Rails unlimited be like
Beauty, just with more beauty!
thats literally the horn in a roblox game called train simulator!(beta)
words cant describe how beautiful this horn sounds you sure picked up a nice horn!! and not to sound like a douche but if it came off an engine in 1996 wouldn't it have come off a P40 not a P42?
+lionelkid456 Production of the P42's started in 1996, and it was the P42's that went through the rebuild program in 2006.
mafarnz wouldn't the horn be off a Amtrak P32ACDM not a P42DC
+Jmream2 Jmream no, P42's were 1996.
Sound like a Ace horn
omg that's sounds awesome
I KNOW THAT SOUND!
It's from roblox train simulator beta metrolink mp36 horn
@@StudioSA15 I know bro did not just say these words
No it’s from RO Scale Sandbox!!
@@MP-ph6obnope
When you drove the car back its sounds like via rail
+Ct Teal VIA also used the K5LA but without the cones.
IIIII NEEEEED IIIIIIIT
I WANT ONE!!! *Grabby Paws!!*
+microbusss Well get in line, I don't even have this one anymore and am looking for another like it.
mafarnz doesn't even sound like horn off a P42 it sound more like a F40
@@jmream2618 maybe it was from an F40 then it got put onto a p40/42 i assume
Daaaange!!!
Hate these horns, they always sounded so plain and generic to me, like an imitation train horn.
Not a big fan of the K5's myself, but this vintage was decent.
mafarnz I do love the snow cones.
Do you by chance know anyone selling one equivalent to this ?
+Sean Faulk I do not.
Listen to a few hours of horns in Europe ... you’ll change your mind quickly
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