Kinda, TNG had to alter their field in order to be carried by the wave, but in STD he's just talking about navigating inside the wave. i assume they didn't have to do much after that. No shifting auxiliary power to structural integrity to survive the forces inside the wave or matching the EM field of the wave, nothing.
I think part of the reason is that on Discovery they repeated the same explanation three times even though the first one was easy enough to grasp for a first grader.
TNG: "Make it so, Mr Laforge!" The Shit Show: "Blah blah blah, sniffle, I love you, blah blah blah, have my baby before you die blah blah blah...what, we survived? That's science!"
I admit that discovery has a ton of flaws but I think it makes sense that books ship rode the wave without Ajusting the deflector as his ship is at least 800 years more advanced than the Enterprise - D even if the enterprise was a military type ship and books was civilian the gap in technology makes up for the distinction.
No no see, he said he was flying blind. He meant literally, and Burnham had to explain to him how to open his eyes, to see, and how to pilot, because he can't do anything without Space Jesus.
The fact the entire bridge crew couldn't explain or understand the concept of riding a wave with anything but dumb hand gestures and whistle noises until a kite surfer explained it to them really shows how Starfleet get's that cream of the crop cadets
And to top it off, applause as in a schoolplay then a teenager personal journal wowing at himself for doing his job competently which he calls crazy. Watching STD is like watching kids playing at being first-season TNG characters in Lost In Space. Remember Geordi going ''whoo-whee'' when listening to an idea for sudden acceleration? That was a minute of TNG. It is now 4 seasons of STD.
@@odojang Are we sure Major didn't make that personal log as a joke? lol It's it's real that makes it even more ridiculous. It would be exactly as you said: a teenager personal journal wowing at himself.
@@ricardogalvan1031 I asked myself that question , since I stopped watching that silliness with it's third awful season (Picard I will not watch again and stopped watching Lower Decks after the first episode, Prodigy after the first 5 minutes.) It fits so well with that shitshow, be it from him or not.
Notice how Picard intakes the information from his chief engineer, Geordie, listens to Riker's input and defers to that, using his judgment. Whereas Michael Burnham listens to her crew explaining the theory, how they'd apply it, then proceeds to explain it back to them because she's Michael Burnham and knows more about engineering and experimental FTL theory than they do. That last part was sarcasm. I don't even blame the actress. It's just amazing to me how the writers don't realize or care that they've made mediocre Trek and an insufferable character in MB.
@@christopherjones5446 I'd just like to point out how ridiculously unsafe the protocols are for how this ship encounters literally anything. They have no tractor beam, no real priority for scouting out a dangerous scenario with drones rather than actual pilots.. they just launch head first with the maximum level of risk. There's no patience at all. They're all actiony and reckless. In the first episode of season 4, they should've used a tractor to stop the space station from spinning, evacuated the crew, left the station alone, and only when all the crew are safe, and ONLY then, maybe theorize on how to use artificial drones to save the station from exploding (how the hell do they not have robots or at least holograms to minimize risk to actual living people?). MB pretends to be upset with how badly she fucked this up, then proceeds in the next mission to dive even MORE recklessly into obvious danger, under a flimsy pretense that the drones aren't big enough. FFS JUST GO BACK AND HAVE YOUR ENGINEERS WHIP UP SOME BETTER PROBES! Their whole concept of problem solving is to overly dramatize and gamble away their lives as much as possible. The fact that any of them are even alive at all is a crime against nature. Star Trek TNG is just better. The philosophy is more evolved, smarter, wiser, etc. Anyone who willingly serves under MB's command is a fucking loser. And none of the aliens they encounter have anything culturally interesting going on. It's like a shitty video game where someone or something enters the scene and starts being an asshole, so everyone then has to go kick its ass in between worshipping gay people and patronizing racial equality.
I blame the actress since she only has two emotions: being smug or full-on weeping, nothing in between. She's a shit actress on a shit show. Pun intended.
@@christopherjones5446 Exactly. TNG's "Cause and Effect" is another example of that. Picard is faced with the Enterprise's imminent destruction and has to make a choice. He immediately asks for suggestions from his bridge crew. No ego. It's about the ship, not him Michael Burnham, it's about her. How impressive she is. Look at her explain to the crew their own suggestion because she knows so much. And even when they go away from that, it's to show how humble she is.
@@PsychicThursday "Michael Burnham, it's about her." Yes, that's it. The main purpose (maybe sole purpose) of this show is to promote identity politics. They could have set it in the past during The Reign of Terror and still achieved their goals. They don't give a goddam about Star Trek, science fiction, hope, and optimism.
You know that scene in Rick and Morty where Beth makes clones of Jerry based on her impression of him, and there comes a point where she makes a bunch of Jerry's that just start congratulating each other rather than helping...
I think this expemplifies the stark differences between Star Trek and... Space Time Adventure Show. Trek moves and breathes with capable and dutiful officers, trained to deal with adversary and stress. Space Time Adventure Show is like watching a parody of Star Trek, like Galaxy Quest. Its just a charicature and a cartoon.
@@IN-tm8mw Its not just that, its how the charcters moved and acted. They were goofy, with mannerism unbecoming of their supposed status and stature. They have no code of conduct.
Wait, what's Picard doing? Just sitting there? Allowing his officers to formulate a solid plan and execute them via their skills? No, no, no. A real Captain would've kicked Data to the side and told Geordi to sit back. He would pull out the joystick and ride the waves himself. TNG has alot to learn from Discovery.
This is like when The Critical Drinker compared the Proton Pack scenes in Ghostbusters (1984) and (2016). The elevator scene in the original gave you all the information you needed in a simple package and was hilarious. The alley scene in 2016 was overlong, overdone and made for 10 year-olds.
I don't understand the point of being an adult if you can't be childish once in a while. Besides,from what I remember of that alleyway scene,the proton weapons had undergone a bit of an upgrade....
@@ReeseL4D I mean, that is quite literally true. But to say that means you're literally not allowed to enjoy certain things in life is kind of ridiculous.
@@blairbrown4812 An upgrade within the 2016 mythos? Or an upgrade from the 1984 mythos? Either way, the lady riding it should have proton'd her legs off... but didn't... ... ... I find that annoying.
It's even better if you remind yourself that the CG holograms aren't even there, these actors just stand in an empty room doing their talky bits making hand gestures in thin air.
IT's like Chekov in ST09 hearing about the transporter problem and saying "I can do that!" all the way down to the transporter room. Aren't you a fucking navigator?
Science fiction isn't dead, just Star Trek and Star Wars...but they've been dead a long, long time now. The Expanse is fantastic and doing science fiction the right way.
Yep. I never really watched Voyager before and I’ve been using it lately to get a taste of real Star Trek when I’m fed up with whatever Discovery did this week. And I though I know Voyager was often bad, even when it was, it was always still Star Trek.
I have been rewatching all the seasons of startrek Voyager and it's so refreshing to see a crew that loves and stands by their captain and nobody cries every fukking episode
I'm reminded of that one episode of DS9 where that elite squad of cadets had were the crew of a Defiant class ship. I feel that those cadets would have handled this situation better than these supposed Starfleet Academy Graduates.
Except TNG happened after… remember, Burnham is Spock’s sister. If you mean after they jump into the future, Disco crew skipped all that history. They don’t even know about TNG.
TNG: Here's the concept, let's do it with science and calculations. STD: Here's the concept, now let Captain "I'm bestest at everything" do it BY FEEL.
Laforge's and Riker's explanation was easy to understand. Bryce's version was full of jargon, but in actuality it was full of fluff, while the two stooges tried to make it sound like fun. And Michael's smile with envy made her look like she didn't know what Bryce was talking about either.
@@artboymoy They saw The Orville doing well, and not being able to identify what makes good Star Trek figured it must be that they added humor. They've been adding more terrible humor to Discovery since. Not only do they not understand Star Trek, they don't understand comedy.
It's also entirely incorrect jargon, as it has nothing to do with the buzzwords he threw out, but "newtonian mechanics" and "fluid dynamics" sound sciency, so have him say them.
@@tzaphkielconficturus7136 That's true too. By that time in the advancement of civilization, Newtonian mechanics would probably be elementary school syllabus. Everybody should know it like we know arithmetics. The fact that it needed Bryce to point it out and explain, simply makes the leadership look even dumber. Besides, I doubt if Newtonian mechanics would describe space phenomena adequately.
@@niccolom Well, it depends on the "space phenomena" in question, but in this case, it would absolutely not. It's fine for simple orbits, though some issues arise with orbits like Mercury's, which can be solved for the most part with relativity. It would not, on the other hand, describe subspace shenanigans or gravitational waves, which also shouldn't work like that, but subspace and handwaves.
The show’s intended audience probably watches TikTok reels so they had to give them something they can relate to. And calling it “comedy” is a bit of a stretch.
That felt like less a personal log entry and more like someone’s self aggrandizing Livejournal or Facebook post. Lots of “I’s” and “me’s”. Will he publish it so he can get the requisite number of likes so he can feel validated?
@@Leo___________ I don't remember it being in there. I can't say for sure it's not some web-based coda or whatever. Who knows what manner of crazy they get up to now.
Children expect aplause for doing their homework good. Professionals know that THEY ARE EXPECTED to deliver nothing but their best and make it a point of honor to do so. Especially if their lives and that of others are in the balance. Living is praise enough. So what we have is a kiddie space show with the name of an adult sci-fi show.
@@odojang It would be funny if the whole STD show would end with the whole series being a holo-deck assessment of starfleet academy students, and them dropping out due to failing to act professionally.
The tag makes me want to see Arnold come aboard the ship and break all their necks, making kill one-liners. (Arnold throws Book’s corpse at Mikey Spock) “Oh, look, Book is throwing himself at you. It must be love.”
I cannot believe that the personal log bit was actually part of the episode. And you know what happens when you put a larger object into a whirling mass of smaller hard objects? They pulverize the larger object into bits.
It strikes me just how unprofessional the Discovery crew is. TNG explains the plan in a way you would expect trained Starfleet officers to do it... succinctly but still conveying the point. Discovery's crew instead uses weird hand gestures and mouth noises and then feels the need to applaud each other.
The disco crew sound so unprofessional in the way the talk compared to tng crew. Can you imagine Data or Geordi explaining things like Tilly and the other one did?
Robert Meyer Burnett said on a recent livestream that classic Trek characters were people that a viewer aspired to because they were the best of their respected professions. We know that we all won’t be military commanders, engineers or scientists, but the inspiration to try was always there and some of us did it. Many military personnel, scientists and engineers chose their profession after being influenced by Star Trek. Nu Trek characters elicit no such inspiration. In fact it’s the opposite. You have later Gen Y and Zoomers who are more concerned with their own self interest and lack any motivation outside of what they can tweet. They want to see themselves in their fictional characters. And STD, STP, and LD delivers.
@@christopherjones5446 "Many military personnel, scientists and engineers chose their profession after being influenced by Star Trek." And many other people were inspired as well: Martin Luther King Jr; astronaut Mae Jemison; countless entertainers and artistic people.
That DIS scene was so insufferable as to be unwatchable. If it wasn't "watch us be adorably awkward - aren't we cute" it was "let's have a round of applause for being competent". TNG let professionals do their jobs like adults. And a "well done" without the bridge crew stopping for a group hug. So sad how far Star Trek has fallen.
Bryce? Wait, that guy has a name? Damn. At this rate, by the next season we'll probably learn the name of that blonde chick, and that way half the bridge crew will be named.
Considering people are casually cracking jokes, smiling, and doing hand waves, the flashing lights, shaking camera, and sparks are the only way we, the audience, know there is danger.
STD’s target audience is moronic children with the attention span of a hamster. It needs to keep shaking the camera around, projecting bright lights and loud noises to hold their attention.
Except they don't even understand those. They probably think things like gravity waves, radio waves, and light waves are literally a series of wiggly lines because that's what the pictures show.
I took me 5 min to compose myself enough just to write this comment, no lie I haven't laughed that hard in years. Thank you for that genius piece of editing and compilation. Liked Subscribed
So hold on, TNG actually sounded sci-fi, I understood and I felt more intelligent understanding it but watching Discovery my IQ dropped simply because they acted so DUMB.
@@minyaksayur There's a subtler layer to that too by implying where the fault lies if it doesn't work. "If my calculations are correct" means the speaker is willing to take the blame if the plan fails, whereas "if the math is not lying" means the speaker is blaming "the math" and absolves themselves from blame if the plan fails, which is inherently disingenuous as math cannot lie, it can be inaccurate if the person doing the math calculates incorrectly or inputs the wrong data.
I'm a sci-fi novelist and at times felt incompetent writing "technical" explanations in my books but...YIKES! TNG is REAL sci-fi, but Discovery is comparable to a new video game my 27th century alien characters love so much!
They’re pathetic little gen z transplants supposedly in the “future”. As if in the future if we could travel the stars we would have ignorant retarded children as the crew. The sheer fucking hubris of these gen z social media woke clowns
in star trek voyager, the crews goal was to return home no matter how long it took. the entire crew of discovery were OK with leavig their home / time knowing full well all their loved ones, friends, family etc are all DEAD?
It has always bothered me that 80 Discovery crew members abandoned their loved ones without leaving so much as a sticky note to let them know where they had gone. (It was all a big secret because they were hiding from the A.I. known as Control.) Imagine the anguish back home that a whole ship and 80 crew members had just vanished!!! Geez.
@@marcocappelli2236 Did they actually do that? I stopped watching watching discovery partly through season 2, only watching RLM videos after that. I thought it could be an interesting moment for the crew stranded in the future to learn how history perceived them. If there weren't so many witnesses to the finale of season 2 it would have been at least interesting to acknowledge an investigation finding the remains of a large battle but no sign whatsoever of the Discovery - but that's just because I really enjoy ghost ship legends.
But isn't that sort of a similar situation that got Voyager in the Delta quadrant in the first place? With the caretaker or something? I've only seen the pilot once so don't remember everything. They had to make a choice either to let the caretaker be destoryed and save themselves in the alfa quadrand OR save the caretaker and in doing so be pulled to Delta? And in Discovery it basically the fate of all the civilizations in the galaxy in danger so they were trying to save EVERYONE. I don't think that is such a strech to think a crew would be willing to do that.
@@Zhaggysfaction they couldnt let the kazon take the caretakers technology . IMO they could have just used the station to send them home and leave a few photon torpoesdoes on a timer so it goes BOOM after htey leave
I could be wrong,,, but I don't ever.. ever remember on any other star trek show where the whole bridge erupted in applause for a crew member coming up with a solution to a problem...
So, the STD crew has a couple of people from the Academy kindergarten who explain things like little kids, then a full strak officer from the Explainer Service to come in and cite branches of engineering. Under and over technical in sequence, and not sounding like any of them just know what they're doing.
This is one reason why I wish the command staff was different. Michael, Saru, and the rest are from over a thousand years in the past so naturally they wouldn't know modern advancements. Heck, this would even add good drama: Old school Trek officers filled with friendly optimism forced to work with bitter and cynical officers from the future.
I'm surprised that small ship had the power to divert for its structural integrity field. Normally any magnetic or gravitational force that strong would've tore a ship that size apart. Its like telling someone who's trap on top of their car during a flood to jump into the rushing water with no protection and I'll meet them down the street LOL.
I'm willing to let that pass, since that ship is hundreds of years more advanced than the Enterprise-D. It can probably handle far more stress than the Big-D could.
It's also a matter of scale. The ship is so small that the stress was acting on every part of the ship equally; they weren't tearing the ship apart, they were pushing the entire ship around as a whole. It's like expecting something to fall apart because it's falling rather than sitting still.
@@AlexandarHullRichter So if it was a matter of scale than at least one or two sides of the ship would still have to be reinforced. Let say the internal forces is acting in one direction on all levels, so no cross currents. I'd expect all extra power to reinforce the stern, port and star of the ship, leaving reduced power on the forward if the ship was facing the direction of the current. Most of the currents force pushing the ship would come from behind, so it'd be pointless to have power distributed equally across the shield array. Some extra dialog into that would've helped the scene for me.
@@AlexandarHullRichter But that's not also taking into account the debris we see inside. I'd expect some collision damage from them while inside. further making it hard to believe for a ship that size. The Enterprise D didn't have to deal with that, only pulsating EM waves
@@AlexandarHullRichter But i can see your theory working with matching the currents velocity, thus equalizing the stress on all sides. then it'd just be a problem of debris strikes and duration of the journey. The Enterprise D somewhat did that when they had to accelerate to catch a wave.
But it's not like surfing at all... "Wave" is the closest metaphor scientists have for things like light waves, sounds waves, gravity waves, etc... so the average person can comprehend what those things are, but they aren't like ocean waves. You can't surf on the top of a distortion wave with your space ship. WTF is this? Making up some techno-babble to make things work is fine, but messing up things from your 9th grade science class is embarassing.
It's actually not like kite-surfing at all. Kite-surfing is more like sailing, using the wind to go with, against, or orthogonal to the waves, whatever you feel like and whatever the wind allows. This is more like just regular surfing, being propelled by the waves not the wind, but with a tow-in by a guy on a jetski for the extra acceleration needed to "phase-match with the distortion wave", ie catch the wave.
I. HATE. STAR. TREK. DISCOVERY. SO. FREAKING. MUCH. They gutted Star Trek and rehash some of the stupidest....I'm done. Picard is marginally better but by like .001 percent. *muttering* Admonition....freaking kill Icheb and Hugh....hacks!
But they weren't supposed to be understood by the average audience. That's what technobabble is, and that's what make old Trek sound sophisticated. STD people talk like they only use Simple English. Specialists at any jobs in the world don't talk like that.
@@niccolom TNG had technobabble mixed in with Jargon. I'd say 80% sounds like Jargon. While STD sounds like 10% Jargon and the rest being 90% Cringe. Jargon sounds like technobabble until you study the field but true technobabble makes no sense even if you know the jargon.
@@IN-tm8mw Great comment To me, technobabble implies made up tech sounding words strung together to give the impression of tech, science. But well done tech jargon dialog is usually vetted by tech/science consultants to the writing staff, or the writer has sufficient knowledge or research of the field to write reasonably plausible tech dialog or at least an intelligent extrapolation or guess as to the physics, science, tech involved.
They actually got an explanation for the distortion wave on DIS by their science consultant Dr. Erin MacDonald, but they ignored what she said just so they could use their analogy of kite surfing.
Why do they feel the need to overcomplicate the concept of "riding the wave?" I think all of us pretty much understand the idea right from the get go. Having them overcomplicate such a simple concept just makes it laughable.
So the Communications guy is now a Commander and it seems like there is always a Bobbie each character has that helps any given scenario where they explain exactly what that hobbit is.
Okay, finally got to the episode (figured a season binge was the way to go); except for the "great job having a hobby" applause (smack the writer who put in that bit), it worked... essentially the old TOS "explaining something more complicated" (say, fluid dynamics) "with something simpler (that the general audience could grock)" (i.e., catching a wave/surfing). Sure, other series might've done it "better"... for us old fogeys who remember them, since they were part of our formative times. We should probably consider if it landed for younger fans, (i.e., the ones of us didn't grow up on TOS/TNG).
The character of Sylvia Tilly herself is a bad joke. Since when does an ensign treats the captain like a friend?? What happened to the chain of command?? Starfleet is the military of the Federation, no its playground. Imagine Tilly under Picard’s command on the Enterprise. Wouldn’t last a day.
We get absolutely no idea of how starfleet is different in the future. Admiral name i forgot is basically the only one we have a glimpse of. You could do interesting stuff with that discrepancy. Like everybody is very stiff and militaristic, and those cavemen discovery gals are the loosy ones, that show them a better way of working? Or the other way around. The future star fleet has no plan and structure and therefore are very inefficent, and those Discoveranians from another time must show them how its done. Anything really. The show doesnt touch their own extreme (900 years into the future) premise at all. A few magic matter gimmicks here and there, although they forget about it half of the time, but no, a scientist from 900 years in the past is giving TED talks to Vulcan! scientists...but no, thats not all! They have the most powerful ships engine of all the future. Its not really explained, why nothing really advanced that far in 900 years, because the show itself doesnt want to be specific about anything, because that would mean they would have to build a world. To think. Aint gonna happen. They kind of wishy washy try to explain it a little bit away with the burn. Which led to less exploration and more segregation. But that wouldnt mean that science, society of single planets couldnt evolve though. This show is so trashy its ridiculous...
I finally figured out why I find Discovery hard to love and maybe my realization will help others to the same conclusion; In the past I would watch Trek to think, but Discovery keeps asking me to feel. I've found the heartfelt scenes jarring, while at the same time I loved the political strife with Osira(sp) last season and adore the philosophical Federation President scenes this season. I suppose there aren't a lot of sci fi shows out there for people who enjoy emotional entertainment, so I can't knock DISC for catering to those peoples, but it explains why I keep finding so many bits of Discovery I like peppered between huge chunks that aren't for me. If CBS ever wanted to do an episodic political drama with their Trek license, I'll support them all the way. They still do those scenes very well, even in DISC.
Having recently watched quite a few breakdowns of why the latest Doctor Who isn’t working as well as it used to, one thing that has stood out to me is that the characters no longer express their personality, emotions or skills by their actions or reactions to a narrative of naturally unfolding cause and effect, they simply spew out exposition about bad stuff until eventually enough good stuff happens. Essentially, the story isn’t depicted as really happening to real people anymore, nor is it a fantastical reality with rules that you can know, discuss or guess, instead it’s simply a bunch of various ideas as described by some actors taking turns saying them out-loud, and if you really think about it, none of it makes any sense, but the big bad will get stopped by the good guys moral heroics anyway. This could perhaps also apply here?
@@Lumibear. Absolutely. The nuances of good story telling are harder to describe than to observe, but you did a good job here. The old adage "show, don't tell" needs to return to modern reboots of old shows.
Gosh, the way they explained it in TNG was so much crisper and smoother, yet both series practically say the same thing!
Kinda, TNG had to alter their field in order to be carried by the wave, but in STD he's just talking about navigating inside the wave. i assume they didn't have to do much after that. No shifting auxiliary power to structural integrity to survive the forces inside the wave or matching the EM field of the wave, nothing.
I think part of the reason is that on Discovery they repeated the same explanation three times even though the first one was easy enough to grasp for a first grader.
TNG: "Make it so, Mr Laforge!"
The Shit Show: "Blah blah blah, sniffle, I love you, blah blah blah, have my baby before you die blah blah blah...what, we survived? That's science!"
@@backalleycqc4790 lmao
I admit that discovery has a ton of flaws but I think it makes sense that books ship rode the wave without Ajusting the deflector as his ship is at least 800 years more advanced than the Enterprise - D even if the enterprise was a military type ship and books was civilian the gap in technology makes up for the distinction.
What the hell was the deal with the open your eyes? Shouldn't he have had his eyes open the whole time to you know, pilot?
No no see, he said he was flying blind. He meant literally, and Burnham had to explain to him how to open his eyes, to see, and how to pilot, because he can't do anything without Space Jesus.
funniest part is how she knew his eyes were closed, even though he's on another ship
@@MajorGrin must have had that telepathic connection huwee
@@SoyElDiabloRojo Blind faith was never more literal.
That felt like they were trying to pull some Jedi trickery, mimicking Star Wars.
The fact the entire bridge crew couldn't explain or understand the concept of riding a wave with anything but dumb hand gestures and whistle noises until a kite surfer explained it to them really shows how Starfleet get's that cream of the crop cadets
The only cream there is what ended up in Tilly’s thighs.
And to top it off, applause as in a schoolplay then a teenager personal journal wowing at himself for doing his job competently which he calls crazy.
Watching STD is like watching kids playing at being first-season TNG characters in Lost In Space. Remember Geordi going ''whoo-whee'' when listening to an idea for sudden acceleration? That was a minute of TNG. It is now 4 seasons of STD.
@@christopherjones5446 Hey she's the Federation running marathon champion.
@@odojang Are we sure Major didn't make that personal log as a joke? lol It's it's real that makes it even more ridiculous. It would be exactly as you said: a teenager personal journal wowing at himself.
@@ricardogalvan1031 I asked myself that question , since I stopped watching that silliness with it's third awful season (Picard I will not watch again and stopped watching Lower Decks after the first episode, Prodigy after the first 5 minutes.) It fits so well with that shitshow, be it from him or not.
Notice how Picard intakes the information from his chief engineer, Geordie, listens to Riker's input and defers to that, using his judgment.
Whereas Michael Burnham listens to her crew explaining the theory, how they'd apply it, then proceeds to explain it back to them because she's Michael Burnham and knows more about engineering and experimental FTL theory than they do. That last part was sarcasm.
I don't even blame the actress. It's just amazing to me how the writers don't realize or care that they've made mediocre Trek and an insufferable character in MB.
What Picard did is the hallmark of a good leader. The best often defer to the expertise of their subordinates.
@@christopherjones5446 I'd just like to point out how ridiculously unsafe the protocols are for how this ship encounters literally anything. They have no tractor beam, no real priority for scouting out a dangerous scenario with drones rather than actual pilots.. they just launch head first with the maximum level of risk.
There's no patience at all. They're all actiony and reckless.
In the first episode of season 4, they should've used a tractor to stop the space station from spinning, evacuated the crew, left the station alone, and only when all the crew are safe, and ONLY then, maybe theorize on how to use artificial drones to save the station from exploding (how the hell do they not have robots or at least holograms to minimize risk to actual living people?).
MB pretends to be upset with how badly she fucked this up, then proceeds in the next mission to dive even MORE recklessly into obvious danger, under a flimsy pretense that the drones aren't big enough. FFS JUST GO BACK AND HAVE YOUR ENGINEERS WHIP UP SOME BETTER PROBES!
Their whole concept of problem solving is to overly dramatize and gamble away their lives as much as possible.
The fact that any of them are even alive at all is a crime against nature.
Star Trek TNG is just better. The philosophy is more evolved, smarter, wiser, etc.
Anyone who willingly serves under MB's command is a fucking loser.
And none of the aliens they encounter have anything culturally interesting going on. It's like a shitty video game where someone or something enters the scene and starts being an asshole, so everyone then has to go kick its ass in between worshipping gay people and patronizing racial equality.
I blame the actress since she only has two emotions: being smug or full-on weeping, nothing in between. She's a shit actress on a shit show. Pun intended.
@@christopherjones5446 Exactly. TNG's "Cause and Effect" is another example of that. Picard is faced with the Enterprise's imminent destruction and has to make a choice. He immediately asks for suggestions from his bridge crew. No ego. It's about the ship, not him
Michael Burnham, it's about her. How impressive she is. Look at her explain to the crew their own suggestion because she knows so much. And even when they go away from that, it's to show how humble she is.
@@PsychicThursday "Michael Burnham, it's about her." Yes, that's it. The main purpose (maybe sole purpose) of this show is to promote identity politics. They could have set it in the past during The Reign of Terror and still achieved their goals. They don't give a goddam about Star Trek, science fiction, hope, and optimism.
You know that scene in Rick and Morty where Beth makes clones of Jerry based on her impression of him, and there comes a point where she makes a bunch of Jerry's that just start congratulating each other rather than helping...
yeah, they damn near broke their arms solo patting themselves on the back
"And then everyone clapped" level of writing.
yeah, the clapping is the worst part
@@timothyhiggins8934 But without the clapping, how would the audience know that what happened was good?
jk
Picard didnt approve the clapping of the crew when he came back from his heart surgery. It just wasnt appropriate...:D
I'm surprised they didn't all start crying
I think this expemplifies the stark differences between Star Trek and... Space Time Adventure Show. Trek moves and breathes with capable and dutiful officers, trained to deal with adversary and stress. Space Time Adventure Show is like watching a parody of Star Trek, like Galaxy Quest. Its just a charicature and a cartoon.
true, STD example relied more on navigation instinct to ride the wave
Galaxy Quest was more intelligent though. but the Orville is even better.
except Galaxy Quest was good :)
@@IN-tm8mw Its not just that, its how the charcters moved and acted. They were goofy, with mannerism unbecoming of their supposed status and stature. They have no code of conduct.
@@TrekDelta Thats what everyone keeps saying!
Burnham looks at him like, "is that a male on my bridge talking?"
Wait, what's Picard doing? Just sitting there? Allowing his officers to formulate a solid plan and execute them via their skills? No, no, no. A real Captain would've kicked Data to the side and told Geordi to sit back. He would pull out the joystick and ride the waves himself.
TNG has alot to learn from Discovery.
Except there was that one time Riker actually grabbed a joystick to fly the Enterprise, but we won't mention that movie.
@@GregHafer The TNG movies can be a gateway drug to New Trek.
@@TimThomason Picard did it in the episode Boobytrap where the Enterprise could only use thrusters to escape an asteroid field.
@@vonVile To be fair, if Wesley was piloting, I would have done the same thing.
@@vonVile In that case, Picard wasn't showing off/bragging...but rather taking the full responsibility onto himself.
This is like when The Critical Drinker compared the Proton Pack scenes in Ghostbusters (1984) and (2016). The elevator scene in the original gave you all the information you needed in a simple package and was hilarious. The alley scene in 2016 was overlong, overdone and made for 10 year-olds.
I don't understand the point of being an adult if you can't be childish once in a while.
Besides,from what I remember of that alleyway scene,the proton weapons had undergone a bit of an upgrade....
@@blairbrown4812 Allow me to rephrase what OP said: It was made so it would be amusing to ONLY 10 year olds, but cringe for adults.
@@blairbrown4812 The point of being an adult is to stop being a child.
@@ReeseL4D I mean, that is quite literally true. But to say that means you're literally not allowed to enjoy certain things in life is kind of ridiculous.
@@blairbrown4812 An upgrade within the 2016 mythos? Or an upgrade from the 1984 mythos?
Either way, the lady riding it should have proton'd her legs off... but didn't... ... ... I find that annoying.
I love the way random guy who wasn't involved in the discussion just walks over and explains everything, Dear God what tripe STD is.
It's even better if you remind yourself that the CG holograms aren't even there, these actors just stand in an empty room doing their talky bits making hand gestures in thin air.
@@ZeroB4NG well not quite empty. They have the wall mounted, spinal tap / rock concert flame throwers🤦♂️
The cool black guy too.
IT's like Chekov in ST09 hearing about the transporter problem and saying "I can do that!" all the way down to the transporter room. Aren't you a fucking navigator?
He hadn't had a line in a long time give him a break lol.
To boldly go where no narcotic delirium has gone before. So long science fiction.
Science fiction isn't dead, just Star Trek and Star Wars...but they've been dead a long, long time now. The Expanse is fantastic and doing science fiction the right way.
@@ShenMerrick I was about to say The Expanse. Once devoured I’ll try some Orville
@@PHDiaz-vv7yo The Orville is incredible. I like the humour too, but some find it annoying, and I respect their opinion.
This sucks. I’m going to rewatch TNG Season 3 again.
Watching season 2 might not be so bad in comparison now.
Yep. I never really watched Voyager before and I’ve been using it lately to get a taste of real Star Trek when I’m fed up with whatever Discovery did this week. And I though I know Voyager was often bad, even when it was, it was always still Star Trek.
I mean, this one is from season 7, but yeah I loved how the series evolved from season 3 onwards
I have been rewatching all the seasons of startrek Voyager and it's so refreshing to see a crew that loves and stands by their captain and nobody cries every fukking episode
I'm reminded of that one episode of DS9 where that elite squad of cadets had were the crew of a Defiant class ship. I feel that those cadets would have handled this situation better than these supposed Starfleet Academy Graduates.
Red Squad! ...those were the glory days.
They should have had Tilly say, “We could try the LaForge Maneuver.”
Except TNG happened after… remember, Burnham is Spock’s sister. If you mean after they jump into the future, Disco crew skipped all that history. They don’t even know about TNG.
TNG: Here's the concept, let's do it with science and calculations.
STD: Here's the concept, now let Captain "I'm bestest at everything" do it BY FEEL.
Laforge's and Riker's explanation was easy to understand.
Bryce's version was full of jargon, but in actuality it was full of fluff, while the two stooges tried to make it sound like fun.
And Michael's smile with envy made her look like she didn't know what Bryce was talking about either.
Was this a serious situation? Why are the stooges making it fun? Maybe they're high like Tony Shalloub's character in Galaxyquest.
@@artboymoy They saw The Orville doing well, and not being able to identify what makes good Star Trek figured it must be that they added humor. They've been adding more terrible humor to Discovery since. Not only do they not understand Star Trek, they don't understand comedy.
It's also entirely incorrect jargon, as it has nothing to do with the buzzwords he threw out, but "newtonian mechanics" and "fluid dynamics" sound sciency, so have him say them.
@@tzaphkielconficturus7136
That's true too.
By that time in the advancement of civilization, Newtonian mechanics would probably be elementary school syllabus. Everybody should know it like we know arithmetics. The fact that it needed Bryce to point it out and explain, simply makes the leadership look even dumber.
Besides, I doubt if Newtonian mechanics would describe space phenomena adequately.
@@niccolom Well, it depends on the "space phenomena" in question, but in this case, it would absolutely not. It's fine for simple orbits, though some issues arise with orbits like Mercury's, which can be solved for the most part with relativity. It would not, on the other hand, describe subspace shenanigans or gravitational waves, which also shouldn't work like that, but subspace and handwaves.
Barkley, Wesly and all Cerritos crew combined have less insecurity then any member of Discovery crew.
They're also less annoying
Did Disco really need the cutesy comedy duo hand wave explanation? I'll ride it out.
The show’s intended audience probably watches TikTok reels so they had to give them something they can relate to. And calling it “comedy” is a bit of a stretch.
Yes it's hugely important the show is dumbed down enough for SJWs and Alex Kurtzman to understand.
YOu think they could have made a quick simulation graphic to explain it better.
@@artboymoy They _did_ have a quick simulation graphic that explained it better - the two stooges were standing right next to it lol.
Every time I watch clips of this show, I'm awed by how progressive the makers of this show are by consistently hiring one-armed cinematographers.
That felt like less a personal log entry and more like someone’s self aggrandizing Livejournal or Facebook post. Lots of “I’s” and “me’s”. Will he publish it so he can get the requisite number of likes so he can feel validated?
Thought I was watching Doogie Howser for a minute
That's real? It was actually part of the show?
@@Leo___________ I don't remember it being in there. I can't say for sure it's not some web-based coda or whatever. Who knows what manner of crazy they get up to now.
Yeah what WAS that? Incredibly juvenile
Geordie never got a round of applause.
Children expect aplause for doing their homework good. Professionals know that THEY ARE EXPECTED to deliver nothing but their best and make it a point of honor to do so. Especially if their lives and that of others are in the balance. Living is praise enough.
So what we have is a kiddie space show with the name of an adult sci-fi show.
@@odojang It would be funny if the whole STD show would end with the whole series being a holo-deck assessment of starfleet academy students, and them dropping out due to failing to act professionally.
@Jakub Kováč 😄 LOL
But Picard did, when he came back alive from heart surgery. And he immediately turned that shit down. :D
The tag makes me want to see Arnold come aboard the ship and break all their necks, making kill one-liners.
(Arnold throws Book’s corpse at Mikey Spock) “Oh, look, Book is throwing himself at you. It must be love.”
This. This is basically the plot.
Let's not forget the round of applause anytime one of the bridge crew pulls off some stunt.
The clip from The Running Man really made it hilarious.
That new child character couldn't be more off putting
Did you just marginalize a triple binary fluid stone gender air bender transverse bulkhead character?
Representation matters y'know!
It’s like having Isaac from Children of the Corn, lurking around the bridge 😱😱
Definitely much worse than Wesley
@@princekagato Never thought I'd see that sentence used unironically...
I cannot believe that the personal log bit was actually part of the episode.
And you know what happens when you put a larger object into a whirling mass of smaller hard objects? They pulverize the larger object into bits.
I thought that was a joke or a meme. It's real? 🥴
@@ahallock It would seem like a parody, but I don't believe MajorGrin made it up.
It strikes me just how unprofessional the Discovery crew is. TNG explains the plan in a way you would expect trained Starfleet officers to do it... succinctly but still conveying the point. Discovery's crew instead uses weird hand gestures and mouth noises and then feels the need to applaud each other.
Yeah, they have to look at each other smiling, clap and pat themselves on the back every effing time something is done.
And the most impressive part is the automatic punctuation and accuracy the computer provides from Bryce's voice typing.
have you seen the pixel 6's voice typing? ruclips.net/video/7DUcmDXFbBw/видео.html
Hey man, texting evolved over a 1000 years into the future.
The disco crew sound so unprofessional in the way the talk compared to tng crew. Can you imagine Data or Geordi explaining things like Tilly and the other one did?
Robert Meyer Burnett said on a recent livestream that classic Trek characters were people that a viewer aspired to because they were the best of their respected professions. We know that we all won’t be military commanders, engineers or scientists, but the inspiration to try was always there and some of us did it. Many military personnel, scientists and engineers chose their profession after being influenced by Star Trek. Nu Trek characters elicit no such inspiration. In fact it’s the opposite. You have later Gen Y and Zoomers who are more concerned with their own self interest and lack any motivation outside of what they can tweet. They want to see themselves in their fictional characters. And STD, STP, and LD delivers.
@@christopherjones5446 "Many military personnel, scientists and engineers chose their profession after being influenced by Star Trek."
And many other people were inspired as well: Martin Luther King Jr; astronaut Mae Jemison; countless entertainers and artistic people.
@@christopherjones5446 my sentiments exactly!
That Arnold bit killed me I wasn't expecting that lol
Now here you can see the trained crew of a military, scientific organization and a bunch of kids trying to realize what’s going on
How did Book's ship not get destroyed by all the debris also caught in the wave?
She timed it just right with her eyes closed using the Force. What a joke that scene was!
The debris and the internal forces of the distortion should've totaled the ships structural integrity.
book's ship is made of a special material called plot armor. it's only found in ink, and it only works whenever convenience allows for it to work
That DIS scene was so insufferable as to be unwatchable. If it wasn't "watch us be adorably awkward - aren't we cute" it was "let's have a round of applause for being competent".
TNG let professionals do their jobs like adults. And a "well done" without the bridge crew stopping for a group hug.
So sad how far Star Trek has fallen.
please keep doing what your doing. i cant enjoy star trek any more (at least not the new stuff) but i enjoy this. its cathartic
Bryce? Wait, that guy has a name? Damn. At this rate, by the next season we'll probably learn the name of that blonde chick, and that way half the bridge crew will be named.
It sure is a diverse and inclusive show.
Bwahahahaha.
I really find these flashing, beaming lights in the background so effing annoying.
And the shaky cam and lighting that is from an 19th century miner’s helmet. Let’s not forget that. Thanks “prestige” television 🙄
They're good lights. It means things are happening. Stuff is going on.
Considering people are casually cracking jokes, smiling, and doing hand waves, the flashing lights, shaking camera, and sparks are the only way we, the audience, know there is danger.
STD’s target audience is moronic children with the attention span of a hamster. It needs to keep shaking the camera around, projecting bright lights and loud noises to hold their attention.
That's how we know it's the future!
The writers copy and past high school science text books
Except they don't even understand those. They probably think things like gravity waves, radio waves, and light waves are literally a series of wiggly lines because that's what the pictures show.
stunning and groundbreaking
Burnham lost her scienceknowitallsuperpowers. And forgot all her upbringing on Vulcan.
Good.
“I have never trusted Kurtzman, and I never will. I can never forgive him, for the death of my Trek”
Why is the camera constantly moving? WHY?
Clapping? Seriously? For a professional doing their job? This show is definitely sci if, because the cringe factor is out of this world!
Next time someone tries to suggest that Discovery is good I'll show them this clip. No explanation needed.
I took me 5 min to compose myself enough just to write this comment, no lie I haven't laughed that hard in years. Thank you for that genius piece of editing and compilation.
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Was Bryce just mansplaining? I'm calling it now. They're are going to kill him off in an episode or two.
You forget his ethnicity. That is 1st grade plot armor right there.
So hold on, TNG actually sounded sci-fi, I understood and I felt more intelligent understanding it but watching Discovery my IQ dropped simply because they acted so DUMB.
yeah tng would say "if the calculation is correct" while disco would say "if the math is not lying", the choice of words is so stupid to hear.
@@minyaksayur There's a subtler layer to that too by implying where the fault lies if it doesn't work. "If my calculations are correct" means the speaker is willing to take the blame if the plan fails, whereas "if the math is not lying" means the speaker is blaming "the math" and absolves themselves from blame if the plan fails, which is inherently disingenuous as math cannot lie, it can be inaccurate if the person doing the math calculates incorrectly or inputs the wrong data.
I'm a sci-fi novelist and at times felt incompetent writing "technical" explanations in my books but...YIKES! TNG is REAL sci-fi, but Discovery is comparable to a new video game my 27th century alien characters love so much!
can we just stop and appreciate that they actually gave Mr Bryce some actual lines and character after 3 seasons!
He even got his scene applause for his delivery!
They love clapping for themselves so much
They’re pathetic little gen z transplants supposedly in the “future”. As if in the future if we could travel the stars we would have ignorant retarded children as the crew. The sheer fucking hubris of these gen z social media woke clowns
Captain Archer did some space surfing in the first season. In an episode where they had first contact with a trisexual race.
Cogenitor. Ohh ya didn’t they get flung up by a flare while they were in the stars chromosphere?
Ah yes. Boldly retreading ground where Former series have been before...
in star trek voyager, the crews goal was to return home no matter how long it took. the entire crew of discovery were OK with leavig their home / time knowing full well all their loved ones, friends, family etc are all DEAD?
It has always bothered me that 80 Discovery crew members abandoned their loved ones without leaving so much as a sticky note to let them know where they had gone. (It was all a big secret because they were hiding from the A.I. known as Control.) Imagine the anguish back home that a whole ship and 80 crew members had just vanished!!! Geez.
@@dandeliondown7920 Right, and any witness had to remain silent on the threat of a literal death sentence.
@@marcocappelli2236 Did they actually do that? I stopped watching watching discovery partly through season 2, only watching RLM videos after that. I thought it could be an interesting moment for the crew stranded in the future to learn how history perceived them.
If there weren't so many witnesses to the finale of season 2 it would have been at least interesting to acknowledge an investigation finding the remains of a large battle but no sign whatsoever of the Discovery - but that's just because I really enjoy ghost ship legends.
But isn't that sort of a similar situation that got Voyager in the Delta quadrant in the first place? With the caretaker or something? I've only seen the pilot once so don't remember everything. They had to make a choice either to let the caretaker be destoryed and save themselves in the alfa quadrand OR save the caretaker and in doing so be pulled to Delta? And in Discovery it basically the fate of all the civilizations in the galaxy in danger so they were trying to save EVERYONE. I don't think that is such a strech to think a crew would be willing to do that.
@@Zhaggysfaction they couldnt let the kazon take the caretakers technology . IMO they could have just used the station to send them home and leave a few photon torpoesdoes on a timer so it goes BOOM after htey leave
Ah so that's his name when I still watched it I would always say the dude from the cant who gets his arm crushed by ice from the expanse
............why is he being applauded?
“I’m flying blind!”
Have you tried rerouting power from the lens flare generators to the nav controls?
The difference in quality between both scenes is staggering. STD sounds like it was written by a CW writer
I could be wrong,,, but I don't ever.. ever remember on any other star trek show where the whole bridge erupted in applause for a crew member coming up with a solution to a problem...
So, the STD crew has a couple of people from the Academy kindergarten who explain things like little kids, then a full strak officer from the Explainer Service to come in and cite branches of engineering. Under and over technical in sequence, and not sounding like any of them just know what they're doing.
"Personal log, Bryce here."
Let that sink in...
The 'quirky' nature of Disco characters is as obnoxious as it is obnoxious.
Discovery feels like a CW office show, with a bunch of airhead interns trying out-quirky each other.
This is one reason why I wish the command staff was different. Michael, Saru, and the rest are from over a thousand years in the past so naturally they wouldn't know modern advancements. Heck, this would even add good drama: Old school Trek officers filled with friendly optimism forced to work with bitter and cynical officers from the future.
I'm surprised that small ship had the power to divert for its structural integrity field. Normally any magnetic or gravitational force that strong would've tore a ship that size apart. Its like telling someone who's trap on top of their car during a flood to jump into the rushing water with no protection and I'll meet them down the street LOL.
I'm willing to let that pass, since that ship is hundreds of years more advanced than the Enterprise-D. It can probably handle far more stress than the Big-D could.
It's also a matter of scale. The ship is so small that the stress was acting on every part of the ship equally; they weren't tearing the ship apart, they were pushing the entire ship around as a whole. It's like expecting something to fall apart because it's falling rather than sitting still.
@@AlexandarHullRichter So if it was a matter of scale than at least one or two sides of the ship would still have to be reinforced. Let say the internal forces is acting in one direction on all levels, so no cross currents. I'd expect all extra power to reinforce the stern, port and star of the ship, leaving reduced power on the forward if the ship was facing the direction of the current. Most of the currents force pushing the ship would come from behind, so it'd be pointless to have power distributed equally across the shield array. Some extra dialog into that would've helped the scene for me.
@@AlexandarHullRichter But that's not also taking into account the debris we see inside. I'd expect some collision damage from them while inside. further making it hard to believe for a ship that size. The Enterprise D didn't have to deal with that, only pulsating EM waves
@@AlexandarHullRichter But i can see your theory working with matching the currents velocity, thus equalizing the stress on all sides. then it'd just be a problem of debris strikes and duration of the journey. The Enterprise D somewhat did that when they had to accelerate to catch a wave.
I hate modern Trek with every ounce of my being.
Makes me sick seeing what trek has become.
I can never maintain phase match with a distortion wave either. It's my biggest life challenge.
Well done Bryce, if only all of us highly trained starship officers knew the basics of fluid dynamics.
That personal log was hilarious
they already did a 'ship surfing the waves of an explosion' thing in the episode with the alternate universe ship powered by the spore ball core thing
I think Arnold said it best. Now I need to pat myself on the back. 😂
Starship Surfing. I can see the t-shirts now.
But it's not like surfing at all... "Wave" is the closest metaphor scientists have for things like light waves, sounds waves, gravity waves, etc... so the average person can comprehend what those things are, but they aren't like ocean waves. You can't surf on the top of a distortion wave with your space ship. WTF is this? Making up some techno-babble to make things work is fine, but messing up things from your 9th grade science class is embarassing.
THAT'S the power of MATH!
SCIENCE ! Fuck yeeahhh !
It's actually not like kite-surfing at all. Kite-surfing is more like sailing, using the wind to go with, against, or orthogonal to the waves, whatever you feel like and whatever the wind allows. This is more like just regular surfing, being propelled by the waves not the wind, but with a tow-in by a guy on a jetski for the extra acceleration needed to "phase-match with the distortion wave", ie catch the wave.
I. HATE. STAR. TREK. DISCOVERY. SO. FREAKING. MUCH. They gutted Star Trek and rehash some of the stupidest....I'm done. Picard is marginally better but by like .001 percent. *muttering* Admonition....freaking kill Icheb and Hugh....hacks!
Riker trying to brush under the rug he never learned to surf.
and just when i thought the pain was too much... i came
To bravely fap where no man has fapped before.
I bet the writers room too started applauding spontaneously to the person who came up with this plot twist.
Too many big, complicated words like “differential” and “modulate” in tng version for today’s audience
But they weren't supposed to be understood by the average audience. That's what technobabble is, and that's what make old Trek sound sophisticated.
STD people talk like they only use Simple English. Specialists at any jobs in the world don't talk like that.
@@niccolom TNG had technobabble mixed in with Jargon. I'd say 80% sounds like Jargon. While STD sounds like 10% Jargon and the rest being 90% Cringe. Jargon sounds like technobabble until you study the field but true technobabble makes no sense even if you know the jargon.
@@IN-tm8mw Great comment
To me, technobabble implies made up tech sounding words strung together to give the impression of tech, science.
But well done tech jargon dialog is usually vetted by tech/science consultants to the writing staff, or the writer has sufficient knowledge or research of the field to write reasonably plausible tech dialog or at least an intelligent extrapolation or guess as to the physics, science, tech involved.
I can't even believe this is star Trek now.
STD lives up to its name. Once it's here you can't get rid of it. Hopefully a cure can be made.
They actually got an explanation for the distortion wave on DIS by their science consultant Dr. Erin MacDonald, but they ignored what she said just so they could use their analogy of kite surfing.
Why do they feel the need to overcomplicate the concept of "riding the wave?" I think all of us pretty much understand the idea right from the get go. Having them overcomplicate such a simple concept just makes it laughable.
Wow, so his name is Bryce, and they gave him something to do.
Imagine an Enterprise Officer dwelling on a single success like that. It’s called doing your job, you don’t get a trophy.
How dare a man give people advice 🙄
Also cadet Bryce where are your periods in your personal log.
Wasn't he referred to as commander?
Just look at the quality of acting and story telling in TNG and look at the garbage teenage babble on this “show”
Every time I see a clip from STD, I remember why I haven't watched it.
"Naaaaaaaaail!"
"Yes Lord Guru?"
"... I have not seen STD since the first few episodes of Season 1... But it sounds annoying... That is all."
So the Communications guy is now a Commander and it seems like there is always a Bobbie each character has that helps any given scenario where they explain exactly what that hobbit is.
Okay, finally got to the episode (figured a season binge was the way to go); except for the "great job having a hobby" applause (smack the writer who put in that bit), it worked... essentially the old TOS "explaining something more complicated" (say, fluid dynamics) "with something simpler (that the general audience could grock)" (i.e., catching a wave/surfing).
Sure, other series might've done it "better"... for us old fogeys who remember them, since they were part of our formative times. We should probably consider if it landed for younger fans, (i.e., the ones of us didn't grow up on TOS/TNG).
Star Trek used to never change its dialogue for the lowest denominator until now.
good Doogie Howser MD Ending
The character of Sylvia Tilly herself is a bad joke. Since when does an ensign treats the captain like a friend?? What happened to the chain of command?? Starfleet is the military of the Federation, no its playground.
Imagine Tilly under Picard’s command on the Enterprise. Wouldn’t last a day.
We get absolutely no idea of how starfleet is different in the future. Admiral name i forgot is basically the only one we have a glimpse of. You could do interesting stuff with that discrepancy. Like everybody is very stiff and militaristic, and those cavemen discovery gals are the loosy ones, that show them a better way of working? Or the other way around. The future star fleet has no plan and structure and therefore are very inefficent, and those Discoveranians from another time must show them how its done.
Anything really. The show doesnt touch their own extreme (900 years into the future) premise at all. A few magic matter gimmicks here and there, although they forget about it half of the time, but no, a scientist from 900 years in the past is giving TED talks to Vulcan! scientists...but no, thats not all! They have the most powerful ships engine of all the future. Its not really explained, why nothing really advanced that far in 900 years, because the show itself doesnt want to be specific about anything, because that would mean they would have to build a world. To think. Aint gonna happen. They kind of wishy washy try to explain it a little bit away with the burn. Which led to less exploration and more segregation. But that wouldnt mean that science, society of single planets couldnt evolve though.
This show is so trashy its ridiculous...
That's the power of kite surfing
I finally figured out why I find Discovery hard to love and maybe my realization will help others to the same conclusion; In the past I would watch Trek to think, but Discovery keeps asking me to feel. I've found the heartfelt scenes jarring, while at the same time I loved the political strife with Osira(sp) last season and adore the philosophical Federation President scenes this season. I suppose there aren't a lot of sci fi shows out there for people who enjoy emotional entertainment, so I can't knock DISC for catering to those peoples, but it explains why I keep finding so many bits of Discovery I like peppered between huge chunks that aren't for me.
If CBS ever wanted to do an episodic political drama with their Trek license, I'll support them all the way. They still do those scenes very well, even in DISC.
Having recently watched quite a few breakdowns of why the latest Doctor Who isn’t working as well as it used to, one thing that has stood out to me is that the characters no longer express their personality, emotions or skills by their actions or reactions to a narrative of naturally unfolding cause and effect, they simply spew out exposition about bad stuff until eventually enough good stuff happens.
Essentially, the story isn’t depicted as really happening to real people anymore, nor is it a fantastical reality with rules that you can know, discuss or guess, instead it’s simply a bunch of various ideas as described by some actors taking turns saying them out-loud, and if you really think about it, none of it makes any sense, but the big bad will get stopped by the good guys moral heroics anyway.
This could perhaps also apply here?
@@Lumibear. Absolutely. The nuances of good story telling are harder to describe than to observe, but you did a good job here.
The old adage "show, don't tell" needs to return to modern reboots of old shows.
Go watch Farscape, it's still the best character-driven Sci-Fi show ever.
One was about science and the other one is about feelings
Don’t forget to clap and cheer!!