Dave Mustaine on Drop tuning

[@cory-o-cookies95]

There are no rules in music. Other than be on time.

[@DanBeauleArt]

It’s what separates the hacks from the pros.

[@Patrick-857]

That's also optional...

[@gabe2968]

That's a problem of today. Having everything fine tuned on grid perfectly in time saps all groove and feel to music. Robotic and stale, push and pull rhythm is so good

[@longpigpie3584]

*Mathrock noises*

[@DrinkingBleachOnTheBeach]

@@gabe2968yeah I’d much rather my music be off time and not work well together at all

[@jacksonstock5390]

"Unless you're hitting the 24th fret on a high E string there's literally no point in playing the guitar" - Dave Mustbefunatparties

[@sirspongadoodle]

this type of comment is exactly why dave mustaine is where he is at and exactly why you are where your at..

[@mattball420]

He was both fun and a mean drunk at parties, dont make him serve you a gay beer

[@Emcfree2084]

Straw man argument. Totally not what he said.

[@hyperr1092]

I'm not surprised u think that you're more fun than Dave Mustaine at parties. I can tell you've never been invited to one.

[@fuckitweball77]

​@@sirspongadoodle zip up his pants when you're finished

[@wob6776]

John Petrucci has multiple songs everywhere from E to drop A# to 7 string and everything in between. I don't think he's forgetting about lead playing.

[@mattball420]

Theres a good reason he made the wise choice of switching to 7 and never going back and you can be sure he had baritone 6 strings to tune that low

[@redflipper992]

and has sold 1/20th of the records that mustaine has.

[@wob6776]

@@redflipper992 It's actually more than 1/4, dream theater has 27% the sales megadeth has. But prog generally eludes the mainstream. Almost nobody would dispute that Petrucci is a way better guitarist and musician than Mustaine. Musicianship isn't measured in success. Few would say Kirk Hammett is better than Alex Skolnick despite having 100 times his sales. And Ed Sheeran has more record sales than almost all these guys combined.

[@redflipper992]

@@wob6776 your mother has slept with more trannies than all these guys combined.

[@oatmeal710]

he said new guitar players, how does john petrucci fall into that category

[@straw8165]

Dude's last two albums, and their whole live performances are all in D Standard now

[@mannyfragoza9652]

i guess he had a change of heart / changed his tune

[@sfburnt]

drop tuning is different than tuning down

[@straw8165]

@@sfburnt They still make power chords shapes that you would with standard tuning than with drop tuning.

[@sfburnt]

@@straw8165 i aint saying i agree with him im just saying its different

[@modev4163]

I think he was saying more so leaning on drop tuning and not learning to play guitar first

[@immonkey2074]

"If you want to play in a lower register, get a 7 string guitar" okay dave, but you're ignoring the fact that between the lowest string on a standard tuned 7 string (B) and the lowest string on a 6 string (E), there are four notes (C, C#, D, D#). That introduces SEVERAL new keys to play in! Plus, Tony Iommi from Black Sabbath was ripping in C# Standard in 1971 on the Master of Reality album... 14 years before the first Megadeth album. The whole elitism over tuning your guitar lower is something I will never understand...

[@Nestorglass]

Keep in mind this video is more than 10 years old, back when there was a shitton of bands that played lower tunings than D or C or even B and only relied on chugging to write their music with barely any type of lead playing. I'm a fan of silly chugging don't get me wrong I just think that that kind of writing can be a trap for most musicians. Get too comfortable with it and all your songs will be riff salads with samey sounding parts all the way. I personally write mostly in Drop C but sometimes I go back to either D or E standard tuning because I feel it keeps you grounded in your approach to songs. It's really easy to make a sick breakdown chugging on the lower strings. Now make that sound heavy in Standard. Only a few can pull that off. I also tune to drop A or even G just to go crazy with it and it works but not all the time. Back when Dave said this there was a whole epidemic of lowtuned riffs without any regard for melody or originality. That's probably his point here.

[@immonkey2074]

@@Nestorglass My boy Dave must not be familiar with Swedish Death Metal then. Bands like Dark Tranquility, At The Gates, and In Flames tune wayyyy low (in the neighborhood of Drop B) and are very melodic. If that is his point, he didn't articulate it very well. Low-tuned instruments are supposed to be more bassy, so a more rhythmic approach to riff writing makes sense. Those Nu-Metal bands like Korn and Slipknot are a good example of what I mean. However, he's definitely not totally wrong. I can hardly tell the difference between most deathcore bands anymore. I disagree with the idea that Low tuning = Low talent.

[@sirspongadoodle]

@@immonkey2074 its very evident you have no idea how to write a song and rely on low chugging to try and fix shitty song writing..

[@immonkey2074]

@@sirspongadoodle Considering I am not a songwriter, no shit I don't have any idea how to write a song lmao Not much of an insult, if that's what you were going for

[@sirspongadoodle]

@@immonkey2074 it wasnt meant as an insult but rather to tell you to not talk about what you dont know anything about.. please fuck off

[@psychedeliccarrie5921]

"A440" Dave says as if his first two albums aren't A432.

[@rafaellago172]

I don't know the original date of that video, but I have a feeling he's talking about nu-metal. It usually had simplistic (not a judgement, just a statement of fact) riffs that were all about the groove first and guitar acrobatics second. Korn, for an example, built a genre out of chugging two-note palm-muted riffs and almost never soloing, and that's fine, but I get why Dave, who's from another time and has a different set of influences, would think it's BS.

[@mannyfragoza9652]

very insightful t/y

[@donnienarco144]

Korn always seem to play 3 string power chords and did more experimental stuff on the upper frets than most thrash metal bands ever did.

[@AceGilmoRe33]

​@@donnienarco144your sooo right!

[@347Jimmy]

From a stanchly old school guy like Dave, "just get a 7 string if you want to play lower" is a pretty refreshing take

[@Torkujra]

“How dare you make something simple sound good and enjoyable to play and listen to”

[@guitarsbymetaljay]

Drop D opens up a whole new world but I mostly play in Eb standard

[@sanchez2124]

I mostly play Drop C# tuning

[@brycereynolds6973]

Eb standard is the best

[@HemiSlant6828]

I think the only reason I love Eb is because I'm a huge Alice In Chains fan.

[@ilay829]

@@HemiSlant6828same, but drop A is the one for me lol.

[@blunderless]

E flat is probably the only tuning I don't like. I have a special place in my heart for every other tuning.

[@jayteesgear]

I use Drop tuning but I actually agree with his point. Most of us didnt play GUITAR for shit through the late 90’s and mid Millenium. I have both tunings now. You’ll miss out on quite a bit of Classic Riffing with only Drop tuning

[@brokenfinger1979]

Are you for real? Just because you are in Drop D doesn't mean shit. Do you understand all you did was move the low E up two a fret, you still call play any music that is in E standard. You just need to know that the notes have shifted, which changes shapes for chords, again no music theory for Dave and you!

[@dirtyandnasty9011]

His point is people in the early days of low tuning metal were playing low AND only the 3 lower strings (A1 to E3, often not more), whereas "traditionnal" 6 string metal was using like E2 to E5 (without the solos). So that's only half the instrument's range that was used.
His words sound silly and conservative nowadays because we think of drop tuning and 7 strings (or 8) as bands like Animals as Leaders etc. who play the entire range. It was not the case in the 90's, it's true this new sound was cool but the bands were pretty poor on the instrument level side.

[@mannyfragoza9652]

i totally agree with you.. good comment

[@julioangeloLAWOD]

People are not getting his point here. It's not about tuning low. Its about tuning very low and only play 0-1-0-1 on the lowest string.

[@KasumiRINA]

Still better than hearing Dave's voice.

[@lennyramon622]

Just do what makes you happy. You gotta play it, you gotta feel it.

[@burninmetal3825]

I can't for the life of me think why a singer who can't sing will be the singer in a rock band.

[@mannyfragoza9652]

its all about mind fuck

[@ImYourOverlord]

Hetfield?

[@ninjacowboy2670]

Okay, so let's be clear right here and now folks because Dave is spouting nonsense and I've seen many comments regurgitating the same misconception.
If you like standard tuning, great! Standard tuning is a beast of a tuning and is by far the most versatile of all tunings spanning across multiple genres and covers a multitude of pitch ranges which cater to almost any style you need. Definitely learn to play in it first and have a guitar that is only for standard tuning if you can.
However,
A=440Hz has nothing to do with standard tuning. NOTHING! It is a measure of which pitch is measured and referenced against to calibrate and determine what pitch is. The A being tuned to 440Hz can be altered to other measurements such as A = 432Hz, which is a popular alternative.
Take two guitars. Tune both of them To E Standard. One in A=440Hz. One in A=432Hz (or any variation). Both are standard tuning. The measurement of what defines each note, its reference value is changed. The 432Hz will sound slightly lower. But it's still E. It's a contextual thing. None of them are true E. They each are in the context of the reference value. If you play your E at A=440Hz in a song that uses the A=432Hz reference then it's you that out and vice versa. The pitch reference is basically another musical indicator like key and tempo.
I love lower tunings. I almost never deviate from A=440Hz no matter how low my tunings go. But I agree that standard tuning should definitely be learned first and is the probably the most versatile tuning. There are no rules in music and setting stupid limitation like 'I only play in this tuning' just holds your creativity back.

[@artanmcmanus]

Exactly
It’s ironic for Dave to say that considering both Peace Sells and the remastered version of Youthanasia are in A=430Hz (yeah it’s odd they changed the pitch with the remaster, I don’t get it lol)

[@robbycricket6611]

I play both e standard and drop d. For me, drop d style tuning allows me to play with different chord voicing’s and write different riffs that wouldn’t work with the e standard power chord shape. Its just another tool to play different sounding stuff. At the end of the day if it sounds good who cares.

[@Patrick-857]

I use drop B or drop A to do droning bass notes under dissonent extended chords that sit way up on the neck. I can get a full power chord way down low with all kinds of 9ths and stuff up top. My favorite is basically a Dm shape with only two fingers up on the 6th and 7th fret, with the open top string being allowed to ring out, which would be a 9th, but played in the same chord as a minor third, which is up high so there's literally only a half step between the third and the open top string. If it was in D, then it would be D, F, E arpeggiated over an open D power chord at the bottom. I often play variations of it all over whilst maintaining that drone at the bottom. Playing the other chords in the key over the drop D drone, and then suddenly out of nowhere bringing that drone up to the 7th or 8th fret, which just feels like a massive release after all that tension built up from those chords being played over a drone on the tonic. You can't do that in standard tuning.

[@robbycricket6611]

@@Patrick-857 idk what the hell you said but right on

[@Patrick-857]

@Robby Cricket TLDR is that alternate tunings expand possibilities. Dave is being Dave. We can aways rely on him ro say things like that.

[@Patrick-857]

Also I wonder what Dave Mustain thinks of Tool. I mean nearly their entire discography is in drop D and dorian mode. Adam Jones isn't super technical, but that's part of the formula, which is to take a simple idea, and wring every possibility out of it. Tbh I prefer that t9 shredding.

[@mattball420]

You can still play them innstandard, tou just have to hold a piwer chords while going up and down the board, its just as easy really, literally the only thing it makes available is a lower note on the 1st fret and open 6 string

[@natethegreat8533]

I understand what he’s saying but this comment did not age well.

[@aryinc]

i get what he means. I prefer A 440 myself also. If the riff can't sound heavy in standard. it can't sound heavy at all. it's a good starting point. some things just need to be lower. but ther idea will also sound good in standard. If you droptune. don't do just to sound more heavy. do because the song prefers it.

[@mattball420]

Some things do need to be lower, thats why theres a bass player lol

[@aryinc]

@@mattball420 True.

[@user-lv7ph7hs7l]

​@@thomasguscott5796 That would just be like a very mild chorus effect if you play with anyone in 440hz tuning. Besides you likely don't tune accurately enough to hit 439 exactly, never mind .99. That giving the tuners a nasty look and that should do it. Mild temperature changes and all that would be bigger than a 0.01 difference in frequency. Probably can't even apply force consistently enough to the strings to be accurate to 0.01 hz. Try tuning to 439, most tuners can do that. Now imagine 1/100 of that.

[@TheMartinFigueroa]

And now Megadeth tunes in D standard 😂

[@Marthimband]

D standard isn’t a drop tuning tho
A drop tuning is some thing like
DADGBE
CGCFAD
BF#BEG#C#
Notice how the first string is always tuned to the same note as the d string
Standard tuning isn’t what u think it is
E standard is what your thinking of but there’s more then one standard tuning
Standard tunings are basically whenever the low e string is tuned to the same note as the high e string
For example: EADGBE
DGCFAD
CF#BEG#C#
To summarize this, a drop tuning is when the low e string is tuned to the same note as the d string and standard tunings are when the low e string is tuned to the same note as the high e string

[@JBguitar-cj8pc]

That’s only one step down from E standard. Not very low.

[@KumoGoesFast]

@@Marthimbandhe said it's meant to be tuned to 440 and if you want to tune to any lower registry to get a 7 string.
The way he phrased it translates to "if you're anything lower than standard tuning, get a 7 string."

[@metaldownm]

Its because DM cannot sing that high like he could back in the day. Its still standard tuning, transposed one step down.

[@nyecrozier8663]

Unfortunately Dave's voice has been pretty shot since like the mid-2010s. Even in D standard he's still struggling with a lot of his old songs live.

[@harrisontownsend910]

I understand where his point of view comes from just because most people with a 7 string just hit the 7th string open, but there's so much you can do with just one more string because you have extended scales, arpeggios and chords. downtuning and 7 strings aren't always the answer but you have to remember to serve the song first.

[@moonbeam_base]

Nothing compares to classic metal in standard tuning.

[@relativeparadox9567]

King Diamond.

[@ShinoGuitar]

Tony Iommi has plenty of good old school metal in C# tuning.

[@bedrockcastle777]

Black Sabbath was using C# when Dave was still in elementary school.

[@subliminallime4321]

Some of the best players in the world play almost exclusively in non standard tunings like Mike Dawes, Nick Johnson, & Tony McManus... look at Lamb of God and Mastodon who use drop D and other alternate tunings. You need a spreadsheet to keep track of Jimmy Page's tunings.
"Standard" tuning is arbitrary anyways. We have capos so we can play in higher tunings to match a singer's range, bluegrass players sometimes use alternate tunings when they're playing with banjos & mandolins because those instruments are tuned differently...

[@mannyfragoza9652]

sure i agree, its more or less a preference. I kind of think Drop D has almost replaced Standard tuning.

[@CorvetteMasterZr1]

Mastodon uses D Standard or drop C or sometimes even drop A

[@jasonnielsen5976]

He's got a legitimate point, but the ability to stretch your hand in ways that would otherwise be impossible is, i have a riff i wrote that in drop tuning transitions from D5-A7-D9 to D4-A7-D8, and you're not going to be able to do that without Inspector Gadget hands and sadly i didn't come equipped with that. But I absolutely agree if you can't play in standard, you have no business dropping.

[@bumblefritz]

"I'm a massive putz."
- Dave Mustaine

[@tracyholder840]

The suggested video after this was Erra - Gungrave, which was just awesome. Mostly because they tune to F# and play more of the guitar than Dave Mustaine has in one song than he has in his entire career.

[@RafaelCDet]

Yes, and ERRA uses 7 strings just like Dave said people should do...

[@dynamicvoltage9765]

If you pitch your strings down a step that doesn't negate standardized tuning being A 440. Dave is trying to sound smarter than he really is here, heh.

[@tomadjarm3302]

Dave has always tried everything he can to avoid being seen as the halfwit dork he really is.

[@ImYourOverlord]

But what if you tune that A to its natural and original 432?

[@DVSNTHERE]

Dude, that's ridiculous!
How small of him to act like there is only one way to create and use a sonic palette.
Different tunings can help staving off becoming stale too.

[@genshinshenanigans7027]

It's hard to argue with but it's also hard to agree with

[@za4310]

When i was your age we played guitar uphill both ways in 10 feet of snow

[@mannyfragoza9652]

im 61 and i played with my 2 front teeth going up hill in 10 feet of snow

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

@@mannyfragoza9652 I hope you've got good dental benefits now.

[@noeditbookreviews]

I like Dave, but where would we be if we didn't upset the status quo?

[@collinputney2018]

What an interesting take. I wonder what tuning he uses now.

[@canyonproductions7683]

I remember when this came out and I respected his opinion but found it hilarious- now years later I play, mostly in A440. Half step can be cool too but A440 is just Classic Sounding

[@user-iz7kd6gq5w]

Yes, at the time he didnt get it. After throat cancer and a willingness to keep playong live, he now understands. Gotta do what ya gotta do.

[@WilsonPendarvis-tn3wm]

This man knows golf

[@mannyfragoza9652]

[@ricolasvilla]

Because it sounds fucking cool Dave. It sounds cool

[@the_best1910]

starts playing the sick the dying and the dead, oh wait. . .

[@Gyfrctgtdbhf]

James Taylor tuning system is the best way to go with a standard neck that is not true tempered with those weird squiggly frets. But Dave already knew that…

[@CalebePriester]

Most people here got offended by what Dave said because they didn't understand what he meant. Yeah, Iommi tunned his guitar to C#, but he played using his entire fretboard.

[@margaritclaudiu2070]

most of these comments didn't understand what he said

[@m1kethesiege]

Mustaine: these are my principles that will change tomorrow. Gotta love the guy.

[@marioncarbonell6047]

Corrosion of conformity have some songs in Drop C and they’re dope af, same with Mastodon, I feel like it doesn’t matter what turning guitarists play in, wether it’s standard or dropped, if the guitarists are good, then the riffs will be badass, a lot of bands play in standard tunings and still suck ass, but I understand where he’s coming from with the whole dropped tuning guitars, a lot of “musicians” in the 90’s couldn’t play for shit so they just resorted to drop tuning their guitars and play the same notes over and over again, especially corny nu metal bands after the year 2000 when they all started playing in Drop C# but only used the first 3 frets.

[@DanPerissinotto]

I almost agree, except that I prefer A @ 432 instead of 440.

[@KaiserBruh]

well, Dave, here's the thing, nobody uses the last 6 frets of the bottom 3 strings. on top of that, not everybody wants to hear E all the time. Some people want to hear D or C or C#, either way you will still have the E there if you want it, only now you have lower notes as well.
whole i agree 440 is awesome, nobody said you couldn't tune down your bass strings and leave your leads alone. no need to buy an expensive 7 string just so you can hear a C5 power chord

[@itsdoomedjack9774]

You know who uses the last 6 frets of the bottom three strings? Dave. You can also play D, C, and C# in standard tuning

[@rafahellorsato]

​@@itsdoomedjack9774 How? How do you play a D2, a C#2 and a C2 in standard?

[@itsdoomedjack9774]

@@rafahellorsato He didn’t specify which D, C, or C#. So, yes, you can play in the key of D, C, and C# while in E. Just because you’re in E, doesn’t mean you’re limited to strictly E. Now, to play second octave D, C, C# in E standard, you’ll have to pull some trickery (whammy pedal, or drop the bar to reach those notes). I’ll be honest, I was being an asshole, and knew what he meant, but it also sounded like he was being ignorant and didn’t know you could play in other keys while being tuned in certain keys

[@itsdoomedjack9774]

@@rafahellorsato I also use the last 6 frets of the bottom 3 strings

[@srt8rocketship241]

Like him or not , he aint changing for nobody and has paid his dues. He Is...A Metal Master. Like what you like , free country , well sorta.

[@phutureproof]

It's still we, the people, riiight?

[@srt8rocketship241]

@@phutureproof What if there is no Judgement?

[@notrdy4thisjelly546]

I don't even agree a little bit, but this is part of why I love Dave so much lol

[@ginge5018]

oh hold on let me record this youtube video with my phone then post it on youtube

[@niteshades_promise]

I havent touched standard tunning in over 2 decades. 😂🍻

[@LoveKnot78]

Not a single person taking up for drop tuning mentions Dimebag. I like both Megadeth and Pantera.

[@SegaSnatchers]

Meshuggah cries.

[@VirtousoForGod]

I think it’s a way to get around the copyright laws. Recording a device that’s playing something that’s copyrighted. Clever

[@ABIGD0NK3Y]

truly playing in drop d.... does not change ANYTHING.... it moves your leads 2 frets lower... and if done Properly.... it's just a different dynamic but nothing NOTHING changes the skill level involved if DONE PROPERLY

[@pamosutil]

Fair enough, guitar is a remarkable instrument in the higher register as he says, but that doesn't make it wrong to tune your guitar to drop tunning or use a lower register, there are no rules for music really, and you can use whatever it helps to your creative process

[@breadfan262]

I agree 100% it never sounds right ti me when Metallica tunes down their old stuff.

[@mr.x1774]

He specifically talking about the metalcore caca that people listen to where they just do open string djent riffs and everything sounds similar.

[@martyjohnstone8226]

I semi agree with him. I have nothing against drop tunings or down tuning as such, you can get some very interesting sounds by doing it. For me it's people that detune to be 'heavy', that is a cop out.

[@aa-qx1cg]

based dave shitting on nu metal

[@christophernoble76]

they have songs in Eb and now play in D standard but that's mostly for his voice

[@mahirdeth]

d standard isnt a drop tune drop d is

[@kaanemirel]

"Listens a Periphery album then comes back and apologizes"

[@HenryChinaski614]

Finally someone has said it.

[@carpenoctem775]

He was referencing nu metal.

[@Michael15_25]

Dave should’ve been tuning down at least to Eb since the early 2000’s because his voice was shit live the 2 times I saw them in that span. It was like a whisper through the PA.

[@drewflanagan4296]

I'd love to hear his views on this today, including how he feels about Drop Vocals?

[@mannyfragoza9652]

im not sure what he does calling it vocals. He kind of growls and grunts all at once.

[@frogressive-rock]

I don't have a problem with drop tuning per se, but when you tune your guitar so low and are only chugging with the lowest string to the point where one can't even discern the pitch, there's a serious problem. That's such a common thing in modern metal too. I don't get it at all.

[@mannyfragoza9652]

remember shit is the new king in an upside world

[@honigdachs.]

He's talking about people who tune down and rarely play anything that's beyond the first 5-7 frets and/or not on the three bottom strings. And he is right about that - that's what Metal has largely devolved to and it sounds like ass.

[@benspiess6524]

unless you’re the faceless

[@iking311]

This Dave Mustaine must have no idea who Chuck Schuldiner is

[@naturalianoss]

Best metal album of all time Storm of the lights bane was written in standard tuning

[@notkwcly1368]

tell that to Synyster Gates gates, going from the low D to 24th fret lmao

[@TheKingRusher27]

For me the problem is not the tuning, it's the notes in between...

[@m.f.m4299]

Are they fucking with you ?

[@rushshukla4636]

There's no rules just tune it and play it the way you like. Variety is important otherwise everybody would sound alike and thats bad for music. Personally I prefer 432 which is a D #.

[@SomeCanine]

I am much more harsh than Dave on drop tuning. Firstly the guitar wasn't designed to do it in most circumstances. You can build a guitar to handle the tension and frequencies correctly if you tried hard enough, but should you? You'd also need to do the same thing with the bass guitar in your band, and possibly the drums. But why? It might sound decently when you play by yourself but it sounds like crap when it's in the mix. A guitar is a mid-range instrument. if you shift the entire mix down half an octave, nobody is going to like it. Indeed nobody has liked it and that's why metal is dead now.

[@user-rc2wq2fc2z]

Yeah some bands sound cool in a lower tuning but I'm with Dave. E 440 is my favorite tuning. Lower can get real fartie if your not careful.
A lot of bands think lower tuning is heavier. Then you should just be an all Bass guitar band......

[@justarandomguy117]

As good as he is... He's basically the gene Simmons of thrash. Why do we care what he has to say

[@Fiveash-Art]

Because Gene Simmons isn't one tenth the musician Dave is ... and Simmons is also just a douche whose only real concern is money and clout. It's fine if you don't care for Dave's opinions, he's incredibly egotistical, he's earned it, but you're making a bad comparison. 👍🏻

[@777Eliyahu]

because he invented it

[@clarkcrichton]

@@777Eliyahu not to be that guy, but uh... you do know metallica came first right? and that's why Megadeth exists at all

[@777Eliyahu]

@@clarkcrichton and you do know Mustaine was their original lead guitar player and that James Hetfield didn't play guitar on their first few gigs?

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

@@777Eliyahu It doesn't matter if he invented it if his opinion is ignorant AF.

[@johnhareiel5118]

Love Dave, but I wished he could just make some cool noise like Hammett does. Just some squeals, crazy noise....I wished Dave could just wild out sometime.

[@phishfan]

Love ya Dave, but dropped tunings just sound badass. Master Of Reality is a case in point.

[@c.f.pedraza4057]

I like A# on a six string. I've heard some amazing stuff with that tuning.

[@mannyfragoza9652]

hmmmmmmm never heard of that tuning

[@ChimpFromSpace]

I was expecting him to say he hates drop d tuning because he invented it and then everyone stole it.

[@mannyfragoza9652]

lol

[@322killuminati]

Criss Olivia was an acclaimed guitarist from Mustaine’s generation who used drop tunings.

[@darrenpolk2316]

And then several years later, djent music was invented to spite Dave

[@trainofthough0242]

Dumb argument and it's always been a dumb argument. The more tunings you utilize, the more sounds and options that get opened up to you. Limiting yourself to just one standard tuning, you're literally putting yourself in a musical box. One where literally every chord progression and lick has already been done because everybody used that tuning for decades. Guitarists don't like using standard tuning anymore because it's boring and they got bored with it unless your Tim Henson or another modern day virtuoso who has completely innovated guitar playing with an entirely different approach and techniques compared to guitarists of the past who all followed the same formula with only slight deviations like Dave. Even regular drop tunings are boring now because everybody has used those for a long time now.
Open tunings and other kinds of alt-tunings is really where magic can happen on a guitar and is where innovation is happening with the instrument these days. You don't get innovation and experimentation when you just stick with the same tuning all the time, that's not what music is about.

[@mannyfragoza9652]

im standard tuning only but that limits me which is never a good thing

[@porchmonkey5774]

Imagine caring how other musicians play their instruments

[@mannyfragoza9652]

unfortunatly this is the on going soap opra of a lot of goofy guitarists

[@tomwhittaker9461]

Fair enough, however, even classical guitarists downtuned. E.g. Francisco Tarrega would tune the low E down to D for some pieces. This would give the guitar a fatter bass voice. In reality, it just gives the guitar a different texture and feel, much like Hendrix's E-Flat tuning.

[@mannyfragoza9652]

great point im not sure anyone has ever brought up the classical point so far

[@tomwhittaker9461]

@@mannyfragoza9652 Classical guitarists would most often only tune the low E down to a D and leave the rest of the guitar tuned the same way. So it's not technically "downtuning", but maybe something like partial downtuning.

[@philipposkasotis8658]

I don't nessessary agree. However he gives a very good point. I understand why bands drop tune, for that deeper loose sound.
However when I play, I prefer to play in standard tuning. For me it gives it a full rich sound

[@user-zi8wh3wv2q]

drop d has all the same notes as e tuning

[@nemonucliosis]

😂😂😂 I don't think he knows that

[@labontetrevor]

I think Mustaine’s disdain (yes I rhymed that on purpose) for drop D makes sense. For me it throws the whole guitar off, and the only advantage is that you can play parallel fifth + octave power chords with one finger. It messes up all your lines, if you use all six strings to solo, like I do. I don’t like alternate tunings like DADGAD or any of that stuff, because I try to adhere to the rules of voice-leading harmony as established by classical composers. I do like tuning the whole guitar down to Eb, D, C#, C, and also like 7 and 8 string guitars. But I think Dave is right, drop D just encourages people to be ignorant and take shortcuts. That’s just my opinion, I’m okay with people believing what they want. Cheers.

[@labontetrevor]

And for the record, I do think, with few exceptions, that Dave Mustaine’s riffs and solos are unmelodic and unmusical. I like the song ‘Peace Sells’ and ‘Wake Up Dead,’ but not much else. I think Chris Poland was the only good lead player Megadeth ever had. Marty Friedman is just a really weird guy, very arrogant, probably because he’s so Jewish. His solos are through-composed, as are everyone else’s solos nowadays, and that’s no fun. There’s no risk, and therefore no excitement. Who wants to be hemmed in by ibe’s own solos every night, instead of stretching and exploring this endless instrument? To me, that is just way too much of a sacrifice. Chris Poland is just fucking awesome though. I thought he was a full-on jazz musician and then I learned he is not, he just finds all those cool lines by ear, and that makes it even more amazing. And his timing is impeccable and his tone is so thick and sinewy. He’s killer.

[@shanetaylor6823]

When you have drop pedals and can go from drop d to drop a or any in-between in 1 second its a no brainer.
Price of a decent 7 string vs a really good drop pedal for about 100-130 ⚖️

[@prpwnage9296]

drop pedal, don't be lame

[@urskrik6353]

I think the band Machine Head utilizes the Drop tuning and in particular the Flat tuning perfectly, because their style includes alot of pinch harmonics!

[@SacredKOfficial]

They use natural harmonics not pinch.

[@urskrik6353]

@@SacredKOfficial yes, thanks for correction

[@nikitamedvedev4696]

Dave's opinions can be elitistic, but in this case he's nailed pretty much the whole issue of how current metal players are obsessed with downtuning and not using whole range. In my case I became so tired os hearing 7-8 string chugging and bad Meshuggah impression that I raised my guitar to F# and G Standard (tried G# but it didn't worked stylistically) and with inverted chords it works like magic (I can emulate Drop C and B while keeping high strings for beautiful arpeggios)

[@redflipper992]

"elitist", you fucking simp.

[@bunkerdenelectrix]

*Gets 7 string
*drop A

[@ZaklnGritch]

He's changed his tune on this topic in his recent albums

[@alchemist1111]

If you’re only playing in drop D I get his point, but to utilize alternate tunings has been a thing since the guitars inception, and certain pieces of music benefit greatly from it.

[@lucyfer_the_bat]

d standard and drop c are life

[@akalichamp7030]

a decade or so ago I would say this aged like milk, but now it's pretty obvious that he had a point. Every single band now sounds the same and the bassist has been pushed into redundancy. Meshuggah wannabe after Meshuggah wannabe, all just super samey djent riffs with 0s and 1s, it's monotonous and honestly just boring as shit. Not to mention, metalcore...
Guys! My generic djent riff is now unique and cool because I added this epic melodic part on the high strings!! What... What do you mean everyone and their dog is doing that?..

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

I'd try to find stuff that isn't djent. I can't say I've heard too many Meshuggah clones, but I listen to mincecore and powerviolence.

[@metalfan7270]

He's not saying down tuning is necessarily the worst thing you can do to a guitar, he's saying doing that with the intent of only playing the low strings (djent, metalcore) is a shame and a waste. I don't necessarily agree but 🤷

[@thefeldgeister2961]

I've played for 30+ years and my most commonly used tunings are: Open G = 50%, Standard = 30%, D Standard = 10%, Misc. others = 10%.

[@lizardskynard4726]

I dont think you guys can differentiate between having an opinion and gatekeeping. Not once does dave explicitly say “do not play like this.” he’s just says his preference and thought process.

[@steve1982n]

Totally agree with him 👌

[@zName1]

Piano players better be using every octave.