That's so true. There have been a few times where we'll go in and do a pitch, tell them we can use Spatial Tech/Geomatics and the client will say "we don't need that but we'd like to see our assets on a map".
I've also noticed that most lay folks have no idea what the word Spatial means... they often can't say it or spell it, let alone have any idea of the meaning... amazing!
good presentation, quite true. I find all kinds of professions and technology groups that are trying to use the technology associated with geomatics; trying to use geomatic engineering principles to solve their problems, but don't need a full-blown engineer to accomplish the business. they could learn geomatics science and add a skill set to their toolbox.
I have thought about starting a company, and I have thought of using the words “geomatics” or “spatial” in the name, but I don’t think people search for those terms.
That's why I switched to Software Engineering. Geomatics is a tool to solve earth related issues, but I would never peruse it as a direct major since everyone related to geoscience will eventually learn it or have the skills in geomatics.
Extremely High!! But Software Engineering or Computer Science is more employable. The fundamental flaw with GIS is the overuse of ESRI software. Most people employed in GIS are just Geomatics Technician/Analyst performing analysis with prebuilt Algorithms and tools written by ESRI most of the work is contract.
@@sirxavior1583 i am a geomatics engineering at Istanbul technical university.What can i do for improving myself in this department and which tools do i need to learn?Software field is very inportant in each engineering departments so what is the most appropriate starting to the geomatics software for me? Please help
@@mertaltun1798 GIS is only a fraction of geomatics related work. Geodesy, surveying, remote sensing, photgrammetric engineering, GNSS, etc - they're all sub-disciplines of geomatics engineering. Find what you are most interested in and focus on that. There is an overabundance of GIS jobs that can be filled by GIS technicians and not Geomatics Engineers, but it's the same with programming jobs being taken by software engineers or computer scientists. There are still many jobs that can only be filled by geomatics engineers.
> How will you help companies see their information differently? A: You wont. You will do the same shit as everyone else in the company has and work with 25 year old software because "we have always worked like this". You, as a GIS technician, are the lowest common denominator. You don't get to decide what technology the company uses - it's decided by delusional managers. You will sit in front of your computer and click buttons, that's what you're gonna do. You say you "know GIS", but you don't - you know a few softwares and how to click buttons and enter numbers in these software packages, but you never understand the math behind a UTM projection. And surveying. 95% of people end up in surveying, which is the most boring shit ever - you check in, get your tools, drive on site, set up your tachymeter, measure distances, enter them in a computer, then drive home. The reason people choose GIS is that it's simple to learn. Every monkey can click buttons. I'm sorry to sound delusional, but that's just the way it is. Everyone saying that "spatial information is special" is just wrong. I switched to software engineering. To me, spatial information is just numbers in a database, just like every other number. It's not special. If you want to solve problems, if you want to be smart, do programming. It's much harder to learn than clicking buttons, but the payoff is great.
@Felix Schutt, GIS can be helpful in many ways, thanks to the Geomatics engineer or Geomatics analyst,the software engineer guy sitting behind his desk laughing at the Geomatic engineer or technician, thinking that he has the best career in the world, can have more information's about how to develop a program that can make better use of the data that are being collected. Maybe you take one semester of intro Geomatic or a year and already believe you have it all figured out and dropped it cause, your find it to be boring and unappealing, that is okay, but in any program related to nature science, or the Geography of the earth, you will still have to do some sort of surveying, and certain company, still needs a Geomatics analyst to help them sort a few things out. and then come the software part that is used by different company, some company can choose to use proprietary software for their office work that is very costly some may end up choosing something cheaper but that can actually do the same work as for example Esri's ArcGIS software. Some software engineers maybe think of themselves as a completely different breed of monkeys out there, but I still believe that the monkey that is going out in the field and pushing buttons is far better than the one who thinks that his recent career change far more profitable, harder, and smarter than other fields. I do not believe that there is a smarter career choice, We all chose career that we enjoy and that we feel comfortable with, not how many zero there is being the one, in our bank account .
+Rudolfire I was a bit of a dick, yes. It didn't take a semester, I took four years. I don't consider myself "superior" or "smarter" in any way. Everyone can learn software development, so I am not "smarter" or anything. What I hated was that the presenter constantly beats around the bush of "what GIS actually is". This is not only the presenter, I've asked many people this exact question. Everyone just starts looking the other way, say "well, it's up to you to find out". But at the same time they promote "GIS" like it's the second coming. Unless you are a consultant, you don't get to decide what software to use. This has been my frustration with many companies that lock themselves into one software and don't want to hear of anything else. Most GIS jobs are either working for the government / administration (complete lockdown of software choice) or surveying. That's 90% of "GIS" summed up. Yes, you need surveying jobs and you should do the career you want. I am just fed up with people trying to promote GIS but at the same time they can't even explain what GIS is. It's easy: Geospatial "Information Systems" - Information systems = software. They operate software. I'm sorry to have labeled someone as a "monkey" for that, but many of these tasks are repeated and could be automated, but no, management does not want any new ideas. Leads to a high turnover rate and low job security and constant fear that you'll get kicked out and replaced. At least that was my experience. I am sorry I came off as an elitist or something in my original comment. Maybe I've just had a bad experience and I certainly can't say that every company is like this. But I've heard these complaints from other people too: use GIS as a stepping stone and learn software development. What sucks is that people praise "GIS", but don't see it as a stepping stone but rather as something to do for the rest of their life. If everything you can do is to click buttons in ArcGIS, good luck. As a GIS operator you're constantly at the mercy of other programmers implementing the functions you need. If you know programming yourself (let's say ArcPy), you can at least go and fix stuff if it breaks. I've used many software packages with frustrating usability, shit performance that in the end don't quite do what you want. And management doesn't see these issues because "yes, it takes hours, but it works, doesn't it?".
+Rudolfire. I would have to agree with Felix Shutt. A lot of these so called "Geomatic Analysts" will just go to ArcMap perform some Analysis using the Algorithms or Tools the ESRI Software Engineer developed. The less exclusiveness something is the more the value of it declines.
For students of the FH:
a) 07:00
b) 07:26
c) 13:12 and from 19:46
d) 21:10
One of the oldest, most modern professions. Very under-appreciated, but very necessary.
That's so true. There have been a few times where we'll go in and do a pitch, tell them we can use Spatial Tech/Geomatics and the client will say "we don't need that but we'd like to see our assets on a map".
very proud being geodesy and geomatics engineer.
I've also noticed that most lay folks have no idea what the word Spatial means... they often can't say it or spell it, let alone have any idea of the meaning... amazing!
good presentation, quite true. I find all kinds of professions and technology groups that are trying to use the technology associated with geomatics; trying to use geomatic engineering principles to solve their problems, but don't need a full-blown engineer to accomplish the business. they could learn geomatics science and add a skill set to their toolbox.
Does anyone here know which University offers full scholarship for geomatics course ?!
I have thought about starting a company, and I have thought of using the words “geomatics” or “spatial” in the name, but I don’t think people search for those terms.
Great video. Thanks for uploading.
Hye, can I use your video for educational purpose? I'll put your name in the credits..
This was funny and educational, very well done
That's why I switched to Software Engineering. Geomatics is a tool to solve earth related issues, but I would never peruse it as a direct major since everyone related to geoscience will eventually learn it or have the skills in geomatics.
how is your level of stress as a software engineer right now ?
Extremely High!! But Software Engineering or Computer Science is more employable. The fundamental flaw with GIS is the overuse of ESRI software. Most people employed in GIS are just Geomatics Technician/Analyst performing analysis with prebuilt Algorithms and tools written by ESRI most of the work is contract.
@@sirxavior1583 i am a geomatics engineering at Istanbul technical university.What can i do for improving myself in this department and which tools do i need to learn?Software field is very inportant in each engineering departments so what is the most appropriate starting to the geomatics software for me? Please help
@@mertaltun1798 GIS is only a fraction of geomatics related work. Geodesy, surveying, remote sensing, photgrammetric engineering, GNSS, etc - they're all sub-disciplines of geomatics engineering.
Find what you are most interested in and focus on that. There is an overabundance of GIS jobs that can be filled by GIS technicians and not Geomatics Engineers, but it's the same with programming jobs being taken by software engineers or computer scientists. There are still many jobs that can only be filled by geomatics engineers.
How did u switch to software. Was it easy ?
Am Samuel studying geomatic engineering
How did it went?
Well, you need to business skills to be something different in the field
> How will you help companies see their information differently?
A: You wont. You will do the same shit as everyone else in the company has and work with 25 year old software because "we have always worked like this". You, as a GIS technician, are the lowest common denominator. You don't get to decide what technology the company uses - it's decided by delusional managers. You will sit in front of your computer and click buttons, that's what you're gonna do. You say you "know GIS", but you don't - you know a few softwares and how to click buttons and enter numbers in these software packages, but you never understand the math behind a UTM projection.
And surveying. 95% of people end up in surveying, which is the most boring shit ever - you check in, get your tools, drive on site, set up your tachymeter, measure distances, enter them in a computer, then drive home. The reason people choose GIS is that it's simple to learn. Every monkey can click buttons.
I'm sorry to sound delusional, but that's just the way it is. Everyone saying that "spatial information is special" is just wrong. I switched to software engineering. To me, spatial information is just numbers in a database, just like every other number. It's not special. If you want to solve problems, if you want to be smart, do programming. It's much harder to learn than clicking buttons, but the payoff is great.
I have a feeling that you didn't watch any of the video.
I did watch the video, but I don't agree with it's message.
@Felix Schutt, GIS can be helpful in many ways, thanks to the Geomatics engineer or Geomatics analyst,the software engineer guy sitting behind his desk laughing at the Geomatic engineer or technician, thinking that he has the best career in the world, can have more information's about how to develop a program that can make better use of the data that are being collected. Maybe you take one semester of intro Geomatic or a year and already believe you have it all figured out and dropped it cause, your find it to be boring and unappealing, that is okay, but in any program related to nature science, or the Geography of the earth, you will still have to do some sort of surveying, and certain company, still needs a Geomatics analyst to help them sort a few things out. and then come the software part that is used by different company, some company can choose to use proprietary software for their office work that is very costly some may end up choosing something cheaper but that can actually do the same work as for example Esri's ArcGIS software. Some software engineers maybe think of themselves as a completely different breed of monkeys out there, but I still believe that the monkey that is going out in the field and pushing buttons is far better than the one who thinks that his recent career change far more profitable, harder, and smarter than other fields. I do not believe that there is a smarter career choice, We all chose career that we enjoy and that we feel comfortable with, not how many zero there is being the one, in our bank account .
+Rudolfire I was a bit of a dick, yes. It didn't take a semester, I took four years. I don't consider myself "superior" or "smarter" in any way. Everyone can learn software development, so I am not "smarter" or anything.
What I hated was that the presenter constantly beats around the bush of "what GIS actually is". This is not only the presenter, I've asked many people this exact question. Everyone just starts looking the other way, say "well, it's up to you to find out". But at the same time they promote "GIS" like it's the second coming.
Unless you are a consultant, you don't get to decide what software to use. This has been my frustration with many companies that lock themselves into one software and don't want to hear of anything else. Most GIS jobs are either working for the government / administration (complete lockdown of software choice) or surveying. That's 90% of "GIS" summed up.
Yes, you need surveying jobs and you should do the career you want. I am just fed up with people trying to promote GIS but at the same time they can't even explain what GIS is. It's easy: Geospatial "Information Systems" - Information systems = software. They operate software. I'm sorry to have labeled someone as a "monkey" for that, but many of these tasks are repeated and could be automated, but no, management does not want any new ideas. Leads to a high turnover rate and low job security and constant fear that you'll get kicked out and replaced. At least that was my experience.
I am sorry I came off as an elitist or something in my original comment. Maybe I've just had a bad experience and I certainly can't say that every company is like this. But I've heard these complaints from other people too: use GIS as a stepping stone and learn software development. What sucks is that people praise "GIS", but don't see it as a stepping stone but rather as something to do for the rest of their life. If everything you can do is to click buttons in ArcGIS, good luck.
As a GIS operator you're constantly at the mercy of other programmers implementing the functions you need. If you know programming yourself (let's say ArcPy), you can at least go and fix stuff if it breaks. I've used many software packages with frustrating usability, shit performance that in the end don't quite do what you want. And management doesn't see these issues because "yes, it takes hours, but it works, doesn't it?".
+Rudolfire. I would have to agree with Felix Shutt. A lot of these so called "Geomatic Analysts" will just go to ArcMap perform some Analysis using the Algorithms or Tools the ESRI Software Engineer developed. The less exclusiveness something is the more the value of it declines.
I care about it. I earned a living with it.