Survivor - Final Juror Rankings
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- In this video, for my 200th video (kinda) and first video of 2021, I decided to finally get around to doing one of my most requested videos and that is ranking every Final Juror or Fallen Angel of Survivor US up to Survivor 40. Somehow I made this video even longer than my Runner-Up Ranking despite that video including more people so that's something.
We’ll never agree on criteria about ranking players, but I always really enjoy your videos anyway
Yeah, it’s cool to see someone with a different mindset rank players
Same
I agree, I made a similar comment
I think he consistently has the worst criteria in terms of player ability i’ve ever seen from a survivor youtuber so I don’t watch his videos often, but I really like this topic and I still enjoyed the video
@@TheMurrmursonbottle completely agree
Way too many of these takes are edit-dependent. The biggest example is Brett from Samoa. You say he wasn't in control on Galu, but post-game interviews made it extremely clear Brett and Kelly basically had total control over Galu behind the scenes but they got steamrolled in the edit in favor of stronger personalities. If you go back and read the old exit interviews, pretty much everyone had some sort of secret alliance with Brett. He was in with the guys, and Laura and Kelly were also both willing to take him to the end. Dude just got purpled.
That is the thing though. The edit showed nothing, so it is hard to fully credit Brett with all this when a lot of it is just heresay. Which can be revionstic to some extent as well. I do think he is underrated on this, no way in hell he is beneath Christina, but I also don't think you can credit his game just based on some cast interviews when nothing was shown.
Samoa is way too broken. First it was the tale of 2 Russel's then it was a tale of 1 Russel
stolen joke!!!
I agree with ur dominance philosophy but for this video I would’ve ranked by putting them in the groups: wouldn’t win, unlikely to win, likely to win, definite win. And then rank the tiers by the dominance in them love the vids tho
I’m already hyped. For a what-if video: what if the day 38 boot won final immunity
This is a great idea! :D
great idea!
I just saw this, and what a fantastic idea! Let me give my predictions for what I think would’ve happened (even tho I’ll probably be wrong for most of them as it’s been 5+ years since I’ve watched certain seasons)
Borneo: Rudy wins, obviously votes out Kelly, and I’m pretty sure loses to Richard although there’s definitely a scenario where he wins.
Australia: Keith wins, votes out Colby, and loses probably unanimously to Tina.
Africa: Lex wins, votes out Kim, and I’m pretty sure wins against Ethan.
Marquesas: Kathy wins, probably votes out Neleh based on her final 2 deal with V and her being a woman of her word, and wins pretty handily against V.
Thailand: the first one where I’m not positive, but I’m pretty sure Jan votes out Clay, in which case she loses probably in the same fashion against Brian as clay did, but if Jan votes out Brian I believe she wins.
Amazon: Cesternino wins, clearly votes out Jenna, and obliterates Matt in the end.
Pearl Islands: Fairplay wins, probably votes out Sandra and wins handily against Lil.
All-stars: Jenna wins, probably takes Boston rob, and probably loses to rob in the way described in this video.
Vanuatu: Scout wins, obviously votes out Chris, and probably wins against Twila.
Palau: Ian wins, obviously votes out Tom, and probably wins unanimously against Katie.
Guatemala: Rafe wins, obviously votes out Danni and obliterates Stephanie in the end.
Panama: Terry wins, obviously votes out Aras, and obliterates Danielle in the end.
Cook Islands: Sundra wins (imagine that 😂) they definitely vote out ozzy as yul had the super idol, and yul was never gonna vote out Becky, and yul wins probably unanimously.
Fiji: Yau wins, they obviously vote out Dreamz, and I’m actually inclined to believe Yau wins this over earl, which seems blasphemous because of how dominant earl was but if u go back and watch Fiji Yau was the clear frontrunner basically the entire post merge to win the game.
China: Denise wins, and this is honestly probably a Todd vote out as much as I hate to think that that could be a possibility, and I’m inclined to believe Denise actually wins this considering Amanda had one of the worst final jury performances ever and the votes Courtney gets against Todd would’ve probably gone to Denise in this scenario. Although this is by far the most murky scenario so far, I really am not positive what would’ve happened here.
Micronesia: Cirie wins, probably votes out parvati, and probably wins against Amanda, even tho I think it’s closer than ppl give it credit for.
Gabon: Matty wins, sugar still ties the vote between bob and Susie now, and is actually more inclined to do so than she was in the original scenario, and bob would beat Susie in fire. Now the question is would matty win against bob, and I still think the answer is no, as I think the 4 votes bob got still would’ve went to bob, but regardless matty is more deserving to be there than Susie was.
Tocantins: Erinn wins, clearly votes out JT, and considering Erinn was the one who votes out JT, and not steven, making JT a locked Steven vote, I think Steven wins this handily. Steven gets JT, Coach, and Tyson votes without question, and I can’t see a world where all 3 of Debbie, Brendan, and Taj all vote for Erinn. I’m even inclined to believe Sierra would’ve voted for Steven. I can’t see a single locked Erinn vote on that jury and I see 3 locked Steven votes, so it seems obvious to me.
Samoa: Brett wins, literally doesn’t matter but they probably vote out Mick, and Brett wins unanimously with the possible exception of shambo voting for Russell. It wouldn’t matter tho.
HvV: Jerri wins, they probably vote out Parvati, and I’m actually inclined to believe Jerry wins this final 3, although I think it’s close between her and Sandra.
Nicaragua: Holly wins, they obviously vote out Fabio, and Chase probably wins.
Redemption Island: Ashley wins, and while I would like to think of a world where Boston rob gets voted out here, I can’t see a scenario where she gets both Phillip and Natalie to vote him out, which probably leaves a tie vote between either Phillip or Natalie and Boston rob, where he beats either of them in firemaking and then wins anyway. The other scenario is if Phillip or Natalie still aren’t willing to vote against Boston rob even tho he would be voting one of them out at this point, which is absurd in my mind to think about, but idk it might’ve happened. In any scenario I think rob still wins this.
South Pacific: Ozzy wins, literally doesn’t matter but they probably vote out coach, ozzy wins easily.
Phillipines: Malcolm wins, they probably vote out Denise, and Malcolm wins handily.
Caramoan: Eddie wins in some alternate timeline, they probably vote out Sherri, and Cochran still wins unanimously.
Blood vs Water: Tina wins, Tyson and Gervase vote Monica, Monica and Tina tie the vote on either of them, both of them would beat Monica at fire, and I believe Tyson still wins although I think Tina does get many more votes than Monica or Gervase did.
Cagayan: Kass wins immunity, obviously votes out Tony, and probably unanimously loses to Woo of all ppl.
San Juan Del Sur: Keith wins, they probably vote out Jaclyn, although for some reason keith targeted missy at this point when he didn’t win immunity, and Natalie still probably wins.
Worlds apart: Rodney wins, they obviously vote out Mike, and I think Rodney wins this in a close vote with Carolyn.
Cambodia: Wentworth wins, and either the vote gets tied as spencer and wentworth both would’ve voted Jeremy, and Tasha ties the vote for Jeremy on spencer, and if Spencer wins that fire making I believe wentworth wins. Wentworth also wins if Tasha just straight up votes Jeremy out. However if Jeremy gets Tasha to tie the vote for Jeremy and Jeremy wins fire, Jeremy still wins, although it definitely wouldn’t have been unanimous like it was.
Kaôh Rōng: Cydney wins, and I honestly think Cydney would’ve done the same thing Michelle did, tie the vote between Michelle and Aubry, since she knew Aubry was her biggest competition, however I believe Aubry still beats Michelle at fire anyways, and I think while there is a chance the Scot-Julia-Jason contingent are bitter at Cydney while they weren’t bitter at Michelle since they had no connection to Michelle, which would put their votes on Aubry leading Aubry to win, if they aren’t bitter I think Cydney wins this. It’s basically whoever they would’ve voted for.
MvG: David wins, probably votes out Hannah although I can see a world where they vote out Adam, and either way David wins probably unanimously.
Game changers: Tai wins, they probably vote out Sarah, and Brad wins handily.
HHH: Devon wins, obviously saves Ryan, Ben beats Chrissy at fire, and Ben wins regardless.
Ghost Island: this one is gonna make my head hurt. Angela wins, somehow. My burning question is does Angela have enough game sense to save laurel? The answer I keep thinking to myself is no. Regardless of that, it plays out in one of two ways. If she saves laurel, winner of fire making wins the game unanimously, and that’s not a question. If she saves either Dom or Wendell, both of them would beat laurel at fire, and the vote plays out like it actually did. No change.
DvG: Kara wins, probably saves Mike, although I can see a world where she saves Angelina. If she saves Mike, Nick beats Angelina at fire and wins the game. If she saves Angelina, I can see a world where Mike wins fire against Nick and wins the game, probably near unanimously, the same if the reverse happens.
EoE: Rick devens wins, doesn’t matter who he saves although it would’ve obviously been Julie, Chris beats Gavin at fire, Rick wins probably unanimously.
IoI: Lauren wins, I’m inclined to believe Lauren is not as dumb as noura is and wouldn’t save Tommy, instead saving noura, which leaves tommy and Dean in fire making, which I believe Dean wins, and Lauren probably wins the game, although I think it’s closer.
WaW: Sarah wins, I’m honestly inclined to believe she saves tony although there’s a world where she saves Michelle. If she saves tony tony wins regardless of fire winner. If she doesn’t save tony, I can see a world where Natalie wins fire against tony, which would leave the final 3 as a very interesting one. I still think Sarah would win the game, although I think in that scenario Michelle might get some votes.
That’s all, Jesus that took forever
i think Jerri wins in HvV if that happens, which i would love to happen
@@TayTaysSupremacy would’ve definitely been super cool
Devon played the game Ryan thought he was playing.
Ryan probably would’ve beaten him tho the jury didn’t realize how good devons game was and if it would’ve been Ryan Devon and Chrissy Ryan would’ve looked like the mastermind cause he was the reason Devon and Chrissy were working together at all and were in the final 3 together
@@baki7337 i definately think the Ryan Chrissy Devon final three is one of the most interesting hypotheticals in survivor history
@@mrmetsman7693 it’s a similar scenario to China where all three had a good case to make that they were the best at the game.
@@mrmetsman7693 From what the jury has since said, it would've come down to who of Ryan or Devon could better argue their case, because the fans who claim Chrissy was robbed clearly do not take social game into account, because judging on how she handled that aspect of the game, she never had a shot to win even if firemaking didn't exist and Ben was on the jury
I hate your criteria, “he found an idol” “he won immunity”...we do both understand that’s the game right?
Love seeing Malcolm where he is. His blunder at the final 5 is really bad. In addition to him not taking Denise's deal where he can probably win fire against Lisa and also wins easily against Denise and redacted.
If you watch the reunion he actually doesn’t win vs Denise he only gets Lisa and Jeff Kent’s vote
@@theman1213 Reunion polls are always wrong. The cast confirmed Malcolm wins and Pete, Penner, Carter all admitted in the interviews that night they all lied purposely and vote Malcolm. Carter was not even a good lie considering he already voted Skupin over Denise, and now is claiming to be a Denise vote in a Skupin/ Malcolm/Denise F3. Considering he already voted Skupin over Denise, that isn't even possible, LOL! The real votes per the cast themselves are:
Malcolm- Pete, Penner, Carter, Abi, Artis
Denise- Jeff Kent, RC
Skupin- Lisa
@@theman1213 Reunion polls have to be taken with a grain of salt, because those are taken after the contestants have had time to decompress from the game and seen moments on TV that they might not have been privy to in the game itself
Cirie should be number 1 period.
Agreed
Cirie is so good at being robbed in the end that she couldn't even win the finals of this ranking.
Stefan Yordanov lmao too true!!
Nah
Its deven
I believe Erik made a Reddit post stating Eddie actually was a big threat at the end to win. He had many good social bonds with the jury and was extremely likeable.
Erik wasn’t the one voting. Reynold and Michael would probably be the only one voting for him.
@@devondonato4609 He was on the season and came fifth
@@parkzy2920 that doesn’t mean anything, it was pure speculation
Other jurors have said the opposite of that
@@devondonato4609 Erik still has a jury vote, FYI, so I'm confused on what you mean by saying Erik wasn't the one voting in an alternate scenario where Eddie is in the final 3 over either Sherri or Dawn
i’m pretty sure wentworth voted for kass to go home on her boot
She did. She wasn't really put in the minority for any good reason in the first place
@@paintbrush3753 probably because she had a good relationship with abi maria and ciera
@@paintbrush3753 she was in the minority because her alliance from her original tribe kept getting voted out due to losing challenges and abis emotional gameplay.
Glad Rafe was so high! Can you do Quitter rankings or first boot rankings
I feel we can assume who your fav first boot is?
@@glassestarzan8702 Jim Lynch
Wait never seen quitter rankings before, that’s SUCH a good idea!
@@ellaa.9942 Thx!
Purple Kelly and NaOnka for best quitters!
*Last place prediction: Ozzy*
Also happy new year Meranian!
And Rick down there too
When Matty makes top 20 🥺
I adored him as a character but I’m also one of the few people that love Gabon.
Gabon is a great season! I say it’s maybe better than Tocantins (even though I may be in the minority)
Gabon is such and under appreciated season, we need some more returnees from it! Especially Matty, Kenny and Ace
I like it too!
@@Brodobie ace is so damn underrated. He really does need to return
Gabon is one of if not the best season character wise imo I can watch it over and over and never get board because the characters were amazing
Brett had the biggest chance of winning he probably would’ve won unanimously or not getting one or two votes
Yep agreed
My personal top 10: Rob C, Cirie, Sarah, Lex, David, Ian, Malcolm, Lauren, Wentworth, Cydney
Ok wentworth pick is wrong. She didn't have a dominant game
Sarah in WAW was just Tony’s sheep why is she that high
@Noah Nussbaum she could've won with social game. Her level of dominance shown was 0 after fish was gone. And before that she was on the bottom the start of the merge. I don't consider that a dominant game at all but she did well socially
@Noah Nussbaum oh yeah I forgot to mention the idol play! That makes her have an even less dominant game be wise she was going home if she didn't use it. I simply think that if she won she's higher than the follower tier but she's at the bottom of the next tier so around 30th if she won
@Noah Nussbaum Well SORRY for being an old school fan. C'mon man don't be a tard SHE GOES HOME
I guess I’ll continue to disagree with ur rankings of players. I continue to never understand why u discredit ppl who win challenges, play idols, or get voted out but return to the game. They are part of the game. U can’t manage ur threat level always. Like Terry Deitz becomes a threat simply because of who he is as a person. U can’t just pretend ur terrible at challenges because he was down in numbers at the merge and would’ve gone home if he pretended that. I think a ranking should give some credit to how much of a jury threat ppl are. A lot of the ppl u have in the 30s would’ve won the game easily had they made it to the end, and a lot of people in the 20s and early 30s probably had only a couple jury votes max. Why wouldn’t that be taken into more of consideration? In my opinion winning a ton of challenges and playing idols is WAY more impressive than getting dragged along to the end by the majority alliance.
If you haven't seen it watch his "philosophy of the game" vid. Idk if you'll agree with his reasoning or not, but it should give you an idea of his reasoning
@@tobinmcleod7152 I’ve seen it, I understand it, I just simply don’t agree with it. Like please explain to me how Eddie Fox is a better player than Rick devens or Terry Deitz. Like are u kidding me?? Terry and Rick beasted challenges, managed idols, and continued to survive despite their threat level. That to me is infinitely more impressive than just fiddling around blindly to the end of the game.
@@TransparentEclipse I see what you’re saying, people like Dietz were in the minority and legit had to win challenges like it was his only way to further his game cuz strategy wasn’t an option cuz he had no numbers.
@@sethrollins4230 exactly my point. Had Terry come into that merge with a 6-4 or even a 5-5 he easily wins that game. A super idol, challenge beast, and loyal alliance that would take him to the end? Yeah no way he loses. So why does he get penalized simply for being down in numbers post merge? It’s flawed logic.
@@TransparentEclipse Rick was a premerge boot if not for a twist. I don’t think either of Rick or Eddie are good players tbh
You are underrating Jenna Lewis's win chances. She CRUSHES Amber. Her worst is a 5-2 win since Tom, Alicia, Lex, Rupert, Kathy are all mortal locked so her worst case is a 5-2 win. And she probably beats Boston Rob. She just needs 1 of Rupert or Kathy and I assume she gets that, especialy from Kathy. And that is assuming she takes Rob, if Rob takes her and cuts Amber, the jury probably hates Rob so much for that after already backstabbing everyone else, Jenna wins 7-0, with even a super pissed off Amber voting Jenna now.
It is funny how Jenna can do no worse than a 5-2 easy win over Amber, yet might lose to Rob, who himself lost to Amber. Shows how match ups are everything. I still think Jenna ultimately beats Rob too though.
No, I think BLM is partially right though, Jenna has 3 absolutely locked votes in Tom, Lex and Alicia, while Rob has Amber (assuming Jenna votes her off) and Shi Ann. The swing votes however are Rupert and Kathy were the question becomes, do they follow their promises, or do they follow their heart? Rupert makes a deal with Rob, but was really close to Jenna, and Kathy had a pre-game alliance with Rob but was hurt by his betrayal.
It is very interesting however how Jenna beats Amber, but possibly loses to Rob, Amber beats Rob and possibly loses to Jenna, and Rob possibly beats Jenna, but loses to Amber. A season where literally every single one of them could have potentially won
Big disagree. For example last three (Ozzy, Tina a Rick) would won in FINAL 3. EoE and RI is part of that season!! VERY BAD LIST IN MY EYES.
My list:
40, Christina
39, Keith (2)
38, Jan
37, Sundra
36, Angela
35, Tai
34, Jenna
33, Denise
32, Ashley
31, Eddie
30, Kara
29, Erinn
28, Keith (29)
27, Matty
26, Scout
25, Rodney
24, Fairplay
23, Rafe
22, Jerri
21, Kass
20, Terry
19, Yauman
18, Ozzy
17, Brett
16, Rick
15, Kathy
14, Molly
13, Lauren
12, Ian
11, Cydney
10, Tina
9, Lex
8, Rudy
7, Rob
6, Sarah
5, Malcolm
4, David
3, Devon
2, Kelley
1, Cirie
Agree
Ozzy, Tina, and Devens needed more luck than any of the other players because they all were on seasons that brought back eliminated players. Plus, they didn’t even play well anyway.
I think Kelley is way over ranked here, she had pretty much no control in cambodia
Having Tina that high is ridiculous
ooof
wow, i never thought it was possible to shove this many bad takes into one video. wow
The only thing I don't get about your rankings is that people who would win the game via the comeback islands or winning out are below people who didn't know the game. I understand your reasoning to a point, but it feels a bit too hard against those players
I feel like it’s more of statement against those twists rather than about their actual abilities as players. He should make it more clear that he’s eating the games they played, and not their abilities or potential as players, which are two different things. Like it’s weird to see Ozzy so low when he gets so close to winning cook islands and is kinda
screwed by the final 3, but in redemption island he DOES get voted out, and I agree that that deserves absolutely no merit
@@TheMurrmursonbottle Yeah but it isn't their fault that the twist was bad. Rick Devens played in a season where you were able to come back from the Edge and still win, and his Edge game was LEAGUES better than Angela or Keith F
@@thedeadice6121 but at the end of the day, he got voted out, and this is his opinion. if he has the mentality that he’d NEVER vote for someone that’s been voted out, that’s fine, and he can rate players accordingly. the fact of the matter is, in any other season, rick is another premerge player remembered for being unfortunately swap screwed
No, the fact of the matter is, it WASN'T in any other season. Rick Devens played a better game than Angela, and that is a FACT. He can have his opinion but I am also entitled to disagree strongly. That would be like saying Richard is a better winner than Jeremy because "the fact of the matter is if Jeremy played in Borneo then he wouldn't have had an idol to not getting voted out at F6." We must judge players based on what they did with the tools they had.
@@thedeadice6121 That’s not an apples to apples comparison in the slightest. Idols are a facet of the game now, and they had been around for 20 seasons by the time Cambodia came around. The edge was a surprise twist that people _didn’t even know existed_ when rick was voted out the first time. The fact that you’d compare those two situations is bafflingly silly. And no, saying that Rick played better than Angela is NOT a fact, it’s an opinion, as you literally say in the next sentence.
I _will_ judge players based off the tools they had, and Rick, with the tools he had, got voted out 4th in a season. I don’t care if he came back, the fact of the matter is that he had been voted out already and very well could have done things to prevent that. Anyone that wants to invalidate his game because he couldn’t succeed at one of the fundamental tasks of survivor in simply not being voted out has all right to do so
I have an idea for a casting video you could do, Brains vs Brain vs Bueaty, but with returning players
Oh boy, can't wait for people to get super bitter over subjective opinions lol. You do great work BLM, keep it up :)
The subjective opinions are not personally what I have gripes about, I have issues with the criteria he uses to rank players, but that’s not here nor there. He makes good videos nonetheless
Wh does he say blm in his intro im confused
@@corny6909 I assume that’s his initials
While I agree that the social game is very important, I would personally rank these people on how likely they would win in that season, I wont care how you got there, as long as you're the best player in that final tribal council and the jury respects you... you win. So Immunity wins or Idol plays should be looked at as positive accomplishments and not entirely as negative. I find the first 4 entries questionable in a way.
If you don’t get to the end and you don’t win, ranking it would be useless and ur overall game should be ranked
I agree, I made a similar comment
@@devondonato4609 this is not how playing the game of survivor works lmao. If u got to the end but had no chance to win that is not as impressive as being a favorite to win had you gotten there
That's not how survivor works. The best criteria for ranking survivor players is how likely were they to win, and that includes both in terms of the jury, but also in the likelihood that they get to the end in the first place. I'll give an example of someone like this. Rick devens had almost 0 chance of getting to the end. First of all, he didn't know edge existed, so the fact that he even got a second shot is entirely luck based. There is no justification for thinking higher of someone because they succeeded in their second chance over someone who never failed in the first place. It is the same situation with Idol plays and Winning immunities. How many idols are hidden and when and where is entirely luck, and if at any point the producers decided to not hide any more idols then Rick Devens loses the game because he had awful positioning. With immunity challenges, the players don't choose what the challenge is, so for someone to rely on a challenge is essentially hoping they pick a challenge they just so happened to be good at. Anyone who needs the amount of sheer luck that Rick Devens and players like Rick Devens need to get anywhere near the end makes it a bad game, no matter if the Jury may have voted for them.
@@TransparentEclipse this ranking is based on dominance and the amount of luck it took. The game of survivor isn’t based on anything lol.
I disagree on Ashley on RI winning in every all Ometepe Final 3. She for sure beats Phillip and Natalie, probably beats Rob, and maybe Andrea. However I am sure Grant and Matt both beat her. Andrea, Ashley, and Rob have all said those two were the biggest jury theats on Ometepe. And come to think of it while most of the Zaps liked Ashley better, I could see Andrea winning over her since most of the Ometepes preferred her- Grant, Rob, Matt, Phillip, all preferred Andrea to Ashley. I could see Andrea losing to Rob, Rob losing to Ashley, and Andrea beating Ashley interestingly enough.
Ashley beats Rob? Uh no 😂
@@GNRACDCAIC He definitely does. The cast has confirmed Rob loses to everyone but Phillip and Natalie T for sure. In fact he was so hated by the jury, the jury has said Phillip or Natalie would have beaten him had they had a good FTC, particularly Phillip if he admited his abrasiveness was an act and his strategy to make the end. Rob was one of the most hated people in the cast by the end of both his seasons, but lucky for him on RI he was against the 2 biggest goats in Survivor history at the end, which is the only reason he won. While on All Stars he lost even against someone else the jury really hated, who probably loses to everyone except for Rob. His jury management is only a shade above Russell Hantz, LOL!
@@GNRACDCAIC According to the people who actually had the power to decide a winner out there, Ashley does win against any combination of Rob/Natalie/Phillip, and maybe Andrea
@@NYChica23 The jury voting order of Ometepe was Grant > Ashley > Andrea > Rob > Phillip > Natalie I believe
@@dougierichardson484 I think Matt comes right between Grant and Ashley in that voting order
Yes! Great video! Even thought I am 10 seconds in!
Cirie should be 1, Meranian is just a little in love with Devon
Nope. Cirie should be number 5. The 4 guys are much better than her to be honest. Much better.
There's quite a few choices on here that I disagree with (Keith F. and Angela above Terry and Rick is absurd imo), but I still find these reviews and rankings very intriguing and in depth. I'm also pleasantly surprised with how high Rafe and Rodney are.
i'm glad rodney getting respect for his game he was genuinely a dominant player
Rafe deserves to be that high but not Rodney.
@@itzwakk335 I have to disagree there. Mario Lanza was on reddit and told us he spoke to actual members of the cast and almost all said (including Rodney's good friend Will Simms) that the only person who thought Rodney was so great at the game is Rodney, and that he probably had no winning combination, including even Dan and Will. This is someone who is a real Survivor insider, so I would say his word has a lot of value. I think the edit potrayed him differently as he was one of the biggest characters of the season but was never really a big threat to win the game.
oh wow fr? that's not surprising though@@cullerjones
@@itzwakk335 I mean his views could be skewed as maybe he met Rodney and didn't like him so is fudging the truth. It is just hard to disregard what someone like him says. Survivor isn't like Big Brother where we have the feeds to truly judge things like edits and limited info.
Oh boy I’m starting: you better treat some of my girls right Mr. Meranian 😂
And I knew it...Kelley is too low. Her even getting both of those idols wasn’t easy. If her idol play brings her game down, so should Jeremy saving Stephen. If Ciera stays over Stephen, the game could have ended much differently.
I think the scenario Jerri wins is if Parvati wins final immunity. Parvati was voting Sandra out period, regardless what Russell wanted. She confirmed that many times. And I think Jerri wins in the Parvati-Jerri-Russell Final 3 that happens if Parvati wins final immunity.
I agree 100% on Rodney being so high people discredit him because they didn't like him but he had a great shot of winning the game and that can't be ignored
I also dislike the idea of “they won an immunity and saved themselves” as a downside. Outwit OUTPLAY Outlast
Gotta love how one of the three pillars of the game (outplay) just isn’t considered in any of these rankings
That’s if ur assuming outplay is the physical challenges. It doesn’t necessarily mean that u can outplay someone anytime socially by winning a players vote over
@@jaredfreeley8283 outplay is considered to be the physical challenges , idols, advantages , and doing work around camp
Absolutely right
Not sure why you think social is more important than strategic. Idols introduce a strategic element to the game where someone can play more aggressively knowing they have the idol. Don’t agree on your reasoning but entertaining video nonetheless
Probably because social is a key factor in separating winners from losers on Survivor...after all, how many FTCs have we seen where the person who looks to be the strategic mastermind loses out to the far more social but less strategic player?
1:26:41 Something the producers didn't show us was that Danni was actually sick at that time, so part of the reason he voted out Lydia is that in his mind Danni was less likely to win final immunity than even Lydia.
Lydia was not nearly as bad at challenges as she was portrayed to be, and given that up to that point final immunities were always endurance, Rafe understandably thought Lydia would be a bigger threat to win than a sick Danni. He got super unlucky that the final immunity was poorly designed and clearly favored somebody with Danni's body type.
Can you do a Big Brother version of the last evictees ranking?!
A season of final jurors would have easily made an amazing season of survivor. So many awesome players. Cirie, Rob, Terry, Jerri, Rudy, Kathy, Lauren. So many.
I mean, Rudy can't really play tho
@@rambo8550 I know lol. I’m just saying hypothetically.
unlike most people i agree with your thoughts on ranking stuff where ill only flip around certain people compared to how you rank them, but i gotta admit I highly disgree with Cirie below Devon. I would have Devon at 2, Cirie at 1. My reasoning being, they both got screwed by stuff they could not predict but at least Devon could avoid his by winning fire and make it to f3, I am confident if it was not for quits and med evacs it is a f3 in micronesia, which is completely out of ciries control, thus giving cirie the win. that and it isnt a guarentee devon wins in f3 where Cirie has a higher chance to
I totally agree
to be fair, BOTH unpredicted outcomes could be adapted to.
Do players know from the beginning that the season will work its way down to a Final 2 or Final 3? If not, than seriously how was Cerie screwed by what was solely a misassumption on her part?
@@RankopediaHarvey They don't know. And the final 2 in micronesia wasnt even gonna happen if it weren't for the 2 med evacs and quit. Meaning in the scenario the season was supposed to play out with, Cirie wins. Same with Devon, if there is no surprise fire making twist, Ben goes, Devon wins naturally.
@@thesolesurvivor35 IF they do not know, then how do you, Cerie or anyone else except Jeff and production know that the game will end witha Final 3 or a Final 2?
Just cause people win individual immunities doesn't mean you should discredit their game. The game is physical, strategic, and social so they should all be considered.
In my opinion the physical game is the third wheel to the social and strategic game. So if you need to win immunities then that means that you are playing a poor social game and not managing your threat level
@@jameshill9615 but someone like Terry gets points taken away from him when he really had no choice, at least not in that point in the shows history. His tribe came into the merge down in numbers and he was the last man standing and none of the Aras side actively wanted to work with him until like the final 6-4ish simply because he was on the other side. He's not like a Mike Holloway who was in a good position and screwed himself over by making a dumb decision, the circumstances of the game put him in that spot.
Exactly
@@msnmpn7 precisely
I don't know if Rudy wins in a Final 3 for certain like you said on another video. I do think he definitely wins in a Final 2 either time though.
vs Richard- he easily gets Jenna, and Colleen over Richard (both dislike Richard), and probably gets Gervase and Sue which is already enough. Might get Kelly, might get Sean. Richard only has Greg probably locked.
vs Kelly- he easily gets Richard and Sue. He probably gets Greg, Sean, Gervase, even Colleen. Kelly would get Jenna.
Rudy might have a harder time in a Final 3, but in a Final 2 I think he is a pretty sure winner.
I think Lauren would’ve out socialized Tommy at the final tribal.
I agree. I really love that both of them were huge threats, because it shows that pure social game is still a totally great winning strategy even in today's Survivor! :)
@@ThorHC11 Yeppp
How can Brett be behind CHRISTINA!! Brett was a lock to win the game if he made F3, while Christina had no chance. And just due to his challenge ability alone Brett was way more likely to make Final 3.
HERE WE GO DA FALLEN ANGELS
Personal
40. Ozzy
39. Tina
38. Rick
37. Cristina
36. Terry
35. Bret
34. Sundra
33. Angela
32. Eddie
31. Jane
30. Denise
29. Angela
28. Keith N.
27. Keith F.
26. Kass
25. Kara
24. Tai
23. Jenna
22. Rudy
21.Ashley
20. Erinn
19. Holly
18. Jerry
17. Wentworth
16. Scout
15. Kathy
14. Yau
13. Matty
12. Cydney
11. Lauren
10. Malcolm
9. FairPlay
8. Rob Cesternino
7. Sarah
6. Lex
5. Rafe
4. Cirie
3. Rodney
2. Devon
1. David
That is a crazy low ranking for Brett considering he was just one immunity from easily winning the game.
@@richardross4677 he literally won out with no control at all.
Also move everyone but Devon and David down and put Ian at 3
I'd love to see the ranking of the players od Nicuagra, South Pacific, Redemption Island etc. Seasons that get a bad wrap, so we can hear opinions about the players as a whole
First boot or merge boot would be fun I love these. Thanks for making this
I disagree on Jerri not having some chance against Sandra, although she probably loses. I do think she has Colby, JT, Coach all locked. Good chance she gets Danielle or Amanda, which in fact if she got both, she wins. Danielle said post show she votes Jerri, even with her bestie Parvati saying she doesn't. I don't completely buy Parvati's game she really vote Sandra. Does Parvati's universe sized ego (at that time) really want a 2 time winner. That is hard to believe, I think she wants to just act like she would be a non bitter juror. Candice was friends with Sandra in real life but I think she said at some point she might have voted Jerri had she been at the end (with Sandra and Russell). I think Courtney and probably Rupert are Sandra's only sure votes, and Jerri has atleast 3 sure votes. I think it is a very close call.
Jerri never beats Sandra. Sorry. And I don't think it is even a total lock she beats Parvati.
Kelley at 22nd is outrageous
Heartbreaking that Tina was in the bottom 3. Though by your criteria you're right to put her there :(
Though your point of view of Rick devens game is a great one. He was pretty unanimously the winner if he got there
Great video, mate!
List of players voted out one vote away from merge - make it happen, please.
I wasn't a fan of Terry's social game, but how much should he be penalized for needing immunity wins when his tribe went into the merge down in numbers? I don't think that Terry's tribe was going to be able to do anything to avoid a pagonging except to win immunities. It's kind of the same thing with Ozzy, although in Ozzy's case you can make the argument that if he had been nicer to Cochran then Cochran might not have flipped his vote at the merge.
One or two immunities is fine but a win streak being needed is a TERRIBLE social game
@@boomz2526 it’s bad, but how can you have him below people like christina and eddie. he was great socially with his tribe and was good with some people on the other tribe such as shane and bruce
@@nizzle428 Could Terry ever repeat his game, no. Could an Eddie repeat his game, yes (probably the one thing he can do) even though I think Eddie is WAY worse for a ranking I would put Eddie above Terry, although TBH I'd put Eddie at last of player rankings of every player ever, I don't care about repeatability there
@@boomz2526 terry’s win is repeatable, he just came into the merge down in numbers. if he comes into the merge up in numbers, he has a high likelihood of getting to the end because he’s probably the leader of that group and he can win the challenges to get himself to the end (although maybe not at his current age)
Exactly. Anyone who thinks differently is delusional
So you're a purist. Idols aren't impressive. Okay. You like classic Survivor. Cool. But here's what I don't get. Classic Survivor means Immunity wins. Winning immunity challenges shouldn't be a mark against someone ever. We don't know someone woulda gone home without immunity we will never know what happens in an alternate reality. We DO know when someone woulda gone home if not for an idol bc we have the votes to back it up
]Brett should definately be higher and in cases I understand your position for sure and its definitely respected.This guy had it all man. Social game was good he definitely was a challenge beast and I do believe he downplayed that to a tea and universally loved by many at the time he 100% would have won the game in general had he made it to the final 3 without having a single vote against him. He just needed that last immunity. The downside honestly was his edit we knew unfortunately this guy was not going to win cause his edit started to really pick up once Russell said he needed to go next and once he went on his immunity run at the end of the game. Very underrated contestant in my opinion and had he had a better edit and saw more into his game and had he won he would be one of the best winners to ever win the game. Near perfect game for sure. That's just me though.
It is obvious the video maker is clueless and does not realize Brett easily wins if he wins that last challenge. He probably thinks Brett is a goat who gets 0 votes in a F3 with Russell and Natalie, just like Mick did, even if he won the final challenge. Natalie is the 0 vote get in a Brett-Russell-Natalie Final 3, with Russell probably getting 1 or 2 votes (out of the 3 of Fincher, Shambo, Mick), and Brett winning with 7-9.
He would be one of the worse winners ever. No strategic idea what was happening and Natalie completely outplayed him at the Erik boot. He is only considered to have this “master social game” because he was a Galu that never flipped
Rafe was worried Steph would win final immunity and take Lydia to the end.
Christina Cha higher than Brett!?!?! Wow.
Okay, I just noticed that you rank these players based off of their social game from the first 38 days and not including how likely they were to win the actual game. Like I see you have Devens at 38 and I would imagine you have Gavin as a higher tiered player than Devens. But for me Gavin had a Day 38 social game while Devens had a Day 39 social game. Then for Terry you say he had poor social game, won five immunities, and the GOD idol. You can't fault Terry for playing the game he was dealt having the GOD idol.
I totally stan having Devon Pinto as the best fallen angel.
Its all good you got an opinion I got mine. Still enjoyed the video keep up the work!
Also I was reading the comments before posting this comment and saw from Noah’s Revelations that you didn't include Laurel in your Final Juror rankings. FLAWED LIST jkjk
Completely agree
Cirie was in on the Alexis boot. She voted the way she did so Natalie would still feel aligned with the women against Eric.
It is not impossible Holly wins in a Final 3 vs Chase and Sasha. Holly has Alina, Kelly, Marty 100% locked. Kelly and Marty hate'd Chase so aren't voting him, and Kelly probably doesn't vote Sash since she admits the reason she didn't't vote him against Fabio and Chase is she knew he couldn't win. Alina votes Holly over everyone, Alina voted Chase mostly since she hated Fabio and was never voting him so just picked Chase over Sash. It comes down to Dan who hates both Holly and Chase (and Sash), Brenda, and Naonka. I could see her possibly winning by getting Dan and Naonka. I expected Naonka to vote Chase over Fabio and she didn't so she is a question mark. I could easily see Dan picking her as the lesser of 3 evils in his mind.
Supposedly Matty wasn’t getting any vote because the jury thought he was goin to spend the money on drugs, although I think they wouldn’t care if he was up against Susie and Sugar but I’d say Susie wins that possibly
No Corrine has confirmed that Matty still wins over Susie and Sugar in a blowout. Bob probably votes Sugar, and Ken might vote either Susie or Matty, but every other vote goes to Matty. Corrine put it regarding her own vote "I would still have voted Matty since I would rather the money go to drugs than go to Susie or Sugar."
Matty probably beats Bob and Sugar too with Crystal, Ken, Susie, Randy voting Matty.
@@richardross4677 I definitely know Corrine was voting Matty lol. But I don’t think it can be confirmed that the jury felt the same as Corrine coming from her mouth as the only source, she has a particular bias for sugar
@@devondonato4609 Sure but the Reunion poll had Matty winning super easily too (I think only Bob said he votes Sugar, and the rest said they vote Matty, with Ken saying he wasn't sure between Susie and Matty), and the cast interviews had him winning over Bob. I see no way Susie wins in anything but the actual F3 she was in, if she had been able to swing Randy, or of course a Final 2 with Sugar which she wins easily. Simply put nobody respected her, she got votes only since she was in an awful Final 3, and she was the only one with a good final tribal, Sugar and Bob both had godawful final tribals. Being worried Matty spends the money on drugs is still not enough. It is like Fairplay wouldn't have lost against Lil just because he probably ODs and dies if he wins, which is the specific reason Lil didn't take him.
i think terry should get more credit because he was the decision maker in the pre merge and he also wins against every single person on that cast, even cirie
True but he needed SO MANY IMMUNITIES, I think BLM gets too upset over idols but THAT MANY IMMUNITY WINS
@@boomz2526 i know that and he won’t be super high ranked, but you have to give him more credit for coming one immunity away from winning near unanimously. i would say he’s definitely better than people like christina, angela, and keith
@@nizzle428 I would probably have him around 29/28 just because of the fact he probably wins almost unanimously against everyone.
Personally I don’t buy into the “if you were voted out and returned to the game you are automatically bottom three” mindset, when that’s just them operating within the rules of that season. I certainly wouldn’t put them much higher (maybe Devons at best a slot or two below Wentworth), but I credit someone who DEFINITELY would have won in the end over someone who had no chance of winning. I also think you slightly undervalue challenge prowess and would put Terry a bit higher for the same reason that he would have definitely won, but that’s a seperate conversation. Still love the list and the video!
Yeah but you fundamentally lost the game and the only reason you stay is because of a twist
@@jameshill9615 I’m not saying it’s not a severe detriment to their game, but there is no “fundamentally lost” the game if you still have a chance to win. They had different rules in their season, whether we like it or not, and all three came closer to winning within those rules than many of the people ranked above them.
I ABSOLUTELY AGREE!!! So many people preach that u can only play the survivor season ur on, those ppl were not playing survivor Borneo. They weren’t playing survivor tocantins. They were playing their seasons of survivor. U can’t fault someone on playing their season. If there season has return to the game mechanics, good on them for utilizing them. It shouldn’t be a knock on their games
That's not how survivor works. The best criteria for ranking survivor players is how likely were they to win, and that includes both in terms of the jury, but also in the likelihood that they get to the end in the first place. I'll give an example of someone like this. Rick devens had almost 0 chance of getting to the end. First of all, he didn't know edge existed, so the fact that he even got a second shot is entirely luck based. There is no justification for thinking higher of someone because they succeeded in their second chance over someone who never failed in the first place. It is the same situation with Idol plays and Winning immunities. How many idols are hidden and when and where is entirely luck, and if at any point the producers decided to not hide any more idols then Rick Devens loses the game because he had awful positioning. With immunity challenges, the players don't choose what the challenge is, so for someone to rely on a challenge is essentially hoping they pick a challenge they just so happened to be good at. Anyone who needs the amount of sheer luck that Rick Devens and players like Rick Devens need to get anywhere near the end makes it a bad game, no matter if the Jury may have voted for them.
Relying on luck is the opposite having a good game
Really, Deitz and Devens below Jan?
Brett lower than Christina and Keith Famie, hahahahahaha.
wow, kieth should have been WAY higher, he almost won!
I feel like our Big Brother player ranking are nearly identical, but my Survivor player rankings are completely different than your’s.
I think idol plays and challenge wins are more of a positive because those are crucial parts of the game, it takes alot of skill to win those immunitys over and over. Other then that I agree with your decisions
I think it’s kind of unfair to say that people who were struggling to stay in the game because they have no social game. If nobody wants to work with them, then of course their not gonna have a social game because everyone wants them out, so they have no choice but to win immunity or play idols
i think they should be rated on their chances to win if they made ftc and how close they were to making it. ie: matty would've won and he almost made it without even winning the final immunity
True
How is Rick devens not in the top ten??!!!
I respect the effort you clearly put into this, but you seem to be very drawn to players who played strictly social games.
I definitely remember Brenda from Caramoan saying she wanted Eddie to win really badly so she would have also voted for him
yeah but she got blindsided hard and was super bitter
Omg finally. I started asking for this since August.
Your number 1 pick is ridiculous... absolutely makes no sense when there are soooo many stronger contenders on the list.
I think very bad ranking. You hate physical part of game and twist so much. Sorry but dislike.
He dislikes the luck portion of the game, and ranks people based on gameplay, rather than based on how lucky they are
@@survivorfan1287 But finding idols or winning immunity isn't just how lucky you are lol
@@paintbrush3753 finding idols is a ton about luck. Needing to win an immunity challenge also requires luck, as you need to be lucky that the challenge is a skill set you are good at. The best players do not need to rely on those things
I cant get over how much you oversell the social game. I respect someone who couldnt get vored out despite people gunning for them over someone hiding behind 5 meatshields and playing a mediocre game.
ive never been so happy to see these faces on my screen
I was scared u was going to say Rodney after 35 over and over then when it went to f3 I was seriously hoping Rodney made F2. But glad Cirie and Devon made F2. Wish Cirie was #1 but Devon earned #1 because that twist was so dumb
Cirie knew about Amanda’s idol but Amanda said she can vote with the fans to keep it lowkey.
Me before watching knowing Kara will be low yet I think she played a great game
What game did Kara play post-merge?
@@boomz2526 She didn't that's what. She wasn't getting more than 1 or 2 votes against Mike or Nick.
She wasn't terrible, but she had no shot against Mike or Nick.
My Top 10:
10. Devon
9. Cirie
8. Kelley
7. Rudy
6. Cydney
5. Lauren
4. Lex
3. Malcom
2. Rob
1. David
I’m sorry but how did Scout get all the way to #16? She literally did nothing but ride Twila’s coattails.
At that weird tribal where Devon lost a vote. I think the best scenario would be to take ur plan but go a step further in convincing a side to vote devon, while the other side votes for the side voting for devon. This would tie 2-2, except one side can’t vote in the revote as they are in the tie, while the other side, everyone can vote. So upon revote, it would be 2-1, securing majority for the side that pulls this off
Maybe a video talking about the best pre-merge player of each season would be interesting.
Christina Cha over Brett or even Rick Devens is a bad joke.
I remember all of the Sook Jai (except maybe Jake) saying at FTC they hated Brian and Clay so much that they’d have voted for Jan or Helen to win. If Jan or Helen had made it to the end, they’d have won for sure. Not sure about Ted.
Cirie is a very good social player but probably the most overrated player in survivor. She is a very likeable person, has a great back story and makes good game moves, but can't win an individual immunity and therefore will never make final tribal as no one would ever want to go to finals with her , since she would win given her story and likeability.
I like most of your list but Brett that low with such huge win equity is silly. Especialy when it isn't his fault he had to win out, his tribe was badly outnumbered. He still was one of the last targetted from his original tribe without immunity despite being the biggest threat of his tribe.
And worst of all is having Rodney as high as 3rd. He in no way deserves such a high ranking. Apparently the idea he was a big threat to win the game is a myth, and was not true at all.
I don't agree that social is the most important some people joe for example doesn't have a chance in hell of lasting in any season post merge regardless of his social game because of his physical prowess so I do appreciate people like Mike that can win out to get to the end I think your thought process on that is completely flawed
I like your in-depth ranking, although I need to watch this in 2x speed otherwise it would take too long lol.
how are people who would've won at ftc at the bottom
Bc if u were voted out another time before making it to this spot u gotta be at the bottom. Same thing with Chris being the worst winners game even if he’s not a bad player.
@@jaredfreeley8283 well i feel like theres a difference between being out for two rounds (rick) and being out for like the entire game (chris)
@@worthplayingfor2197 fair but the point is that we’re both voted out before making it into the spots they finish in. U realize if it was a regular survivor season for 38 no one would be talking abt devens
@@jaredfreeley8283 I feel like that isn't really a fair argument though because devens, ozzy, tina, and Chris all just played with the cards they were dealt if anything that should help them since they utilized there seasons the best, I do think either way Chris should be ranked low on the winners but I do think ozzy tina and devens should have been ranked higher
@@jtnorton0493 devens and Chris definitely not they didn’t know about edge before being eliminated they thought they were gone it involved no strategy. Same with Tina it wasn’t her strategy to go to redemption island. Only argument is ozzy bc obv the first time it was strategy
I just find it hilarious how Lauren hates the fire-making challenge when she should be lucky there was a fire-making challenge because otherwise she had no shot of staying in the game
Wentworth that low?... that's a choice
@@thesuperfan2457 You're right that flashy =/= good. But she was flashy AND good.
Your lowest rankings are hilarious because the majority of them win if they make it to the end. I get it, we have VERY different criteria, but you need to look at the goal of survivor: to win. The people at the bottom were the ones who almost did that
But when you fail at the main part of the game which is to outlast and not be voted out it’s understandable that he put people that have failed to do that at the bottom, especially ppl like devens who had no clue redemption island was even a thing
@@user-lp9si3ji3s But none of them outlasted. They were all final boots. So I don't really get your point on that.
I’m sorry but Rick Devens being a bottom 3 is just insanity. He played insane the entire time he was back
I have Rick Devens so so so much higher in this ranking. Would have loved for him to have won his season. He came so close to winning it, too. Kudos to Chris recognizing his only chance to win was to face Rick in fire.
How is winning immunities and playing idols a bad strategy? We've seen many people win with that strategy
By technicality, Laurel should be the final juror of Ghost Island, not Angela
I’m sorry but the Sarah take was an L. The endgame was ran by Natalie and Michele
How can you be one of the worst final juror's if you were going to have an easy win against anyone left?
Terry is 37th despite winning the most immunities because he had to win immunities... so Terry is near the bottom because he played a great game. Got it.
Might as well just get rid of challenges altogether, since winning challenges apparently is bad.
i think what he means is that he knocks the fact that terry was in a position where he was forced to win the immunities in the first place, and that a better social player would be able to leverage his bonds in a way where he would be saved regardless of winning immunity or not. even then, i think terry should be higher up
Cirie not being number one makes me mad 🥺
@Jairo Garcia Cirie was also screwed by a last minute final 2