Hello! Is having high psu watts while your pc dont need much a problem like what if i have 700 watts psu and my pc only needs 400 watts is it a problem?
Honestly, the dude is right. So many people end up with stability issues due to mediocre power supplies, or are limited when it comes upgrade time. A higher wattage power supply will cover up the flaws of lower quality ones to a degree, I'd never recommend someone buy less than an 850w high quality or 1000w medium quality psu for any pc that's going to have a dedicated gpu.
@@edan7813 apparently, the commenter in the video doesn’t have a clue what is he talking about. my cousins rx 590 consumes more power than my rx 5700 LOL
The only reasons I've got a 1200W PSU is that I've got it on a big sale, it's ATX 3.0 and it's a Seasonic. Probably the last or second to last PSU I'll buy before PCs use atomic batteries or something.
@@Liminal.HeadspaceSame, I only have a 850W PSU because it already was in my PC I got used, in heavy games I am at about 350W (directly from the wall).
Lookup what digital voltage is only evga supernova and superflower at 1000w has it for a reasonable price and you absolutely need digital voltage to get the absolute best overclocks if you have shitty power a UPS to prevent bad house power from browning out also is huge. Plus intel gpus will work with vulkan multigpu thru valve proton very soon its already being added to the linux kernel as we speak get better psu and buy two 350$ gpus thank me later also vega 64 crossfire is absolutely a steal right now each card is 150$ and works with the nimez driver to restore crossfire in esports games like csgo fortnite rocket league and many others
well lets say you have 10 2 tb ssds hooked up with a overclocked intel core i9, a overclocked 4090 10 rgb fans, the biggest ddr5 cards possible and asus rog maximus Z690 you would go for a 1200 to 1400 psu (mainly because of all the shit thats connected and if your 4090 and I9 start to spike its gonna be fun) and only for safety because if there were no spikes I doubt you would need 1000w for the system
@@agnosticmanquestionsall2409 Had a friend buy a cheap PSU, it malfunctioned and killed his whole system 2 years in. Not the part you wanna skimp on quality wise.
@@Gerniaz I bought a decent PSU but its not high power. I agree with you to not cheap out on PSU, but I wouldnt cheap out on anything really except maybe the case ?!
@@agnosticmanquestionsall2409 The case isn't that important. When I built my first PC with a 3400G and 16gb of ram I used the case from a PC found in the trash, it was missing panels, had missing motherboard stand offs and rust spots. I had no issues with it besides the eyesore it was to look at it.
One should check the efficiency curve for their Power Supply to ensure that it is wasting as less power as possible at the estimated power draw of the PC and save on the electricity bill
@@xtremefps_ efficiency has nothing to do with quality though. But yeah it's safe to assume titanium would he higher quality. I just don't really find titanium power supplies to be cost efficient. Titanium is something that you would only ever buy for PSUs that are close to 2000W, and in such cases they can easily cost $400-600. It will take a really long time for the PSU to pay itself back unless you're running it 24/7. For normal gaming and productivity work, titanium is sort of not worth it.
Went with an 850 for my build as a way to “future proof” it. Im not the kind of person to constantly upgrade but when I do I want my parts to be good enough for them
850w is basically the max most people need to future proof, yeah. I'm running a 5900x and a 3090 and even under high loads I never get past 500-600w (I bought an 850w on my old rig knowing I'd upgrade from my 3600 and 2060). The only reason people suggested big power supplies was mainly for 3090/ti and their transient power spikes, which from what I understand was found to only really be an issue with certain cards, with certain revisions, and certain VBIOS.
@@tobubiify yes it is , but it would depend if the card is running at its efficiency range or pushed beyond that to hit a certain performance level like the 4090 which can hit 400w but is generally in the low 300 range , and modern cards would draw less power than older ones when adjusted for the same level of performance ( for example 4070ti and 3090 or the 3070 and 2080ti )
Well, not necessarily. Most people change the whole PC after several years, where partial upgrade doesn't make much sense anymore, and you can run into compatibility issues. If you know you're changing bits here and there every year and you're enthusiast? Sure, make total sense.
No no NO. If you're planning on upgrading soon, yes and only if you know your upgrades will draw more power. In fact, parts are getting more and more efficient, it's not crazy to say that upgrades in the future would draw the same or even less power. Most people building gaming rigs are using parts long term so "futureproofing" your PSU (if it will last that long in the first place) is a waste of money, both in cost of the PSU and in electricity bill.
future psu will getting better in efficiency, just dont too invest psu too much, it might not deliver same performance overtime...not many people has that capability to upgrade every gen anyway
This is why I bought a 650W Seasonic for 100$ instead of cheaping out. I dont have to get a new PSU in years. Its already been running for 3 years no issues already.
The 30 series had massive power spikes that could kill lower quality PSU's, idk about the 40 series. That is one of the reasons you want a lot of headroom. A PSU is also the part of your PC that lasts the longest (some of mine are 10+ years old at this point), and if dies badly can kill the rest of your system. The PSU is the part you should put more cash into.
@@heavygaming6596 Depends what you mean by lasting longer. A CPU will functionally operate for longer than a PSU, but will be obsolete for gaming much faster. A high quality PSU from 8 years ago can power a modern high end gaming rig today without issues. Any CPU from 8 years ago would bottleneck performance in that system.
@@heavygaming6596 The internal paste can dry out making the thermals untenable after 7+ years. This is for a server I had set up. Usually change my CPUs way before the PSU.
Working in a repair shop, I always recommend going up to around 800 or 900 just so that way you have plenty of overheads should you decide to upgrade further in the future
@@ABRetroCollections and it also depends on the customers needs. If they do more gaming/production/processing for example they'll need that extra power. If they're doing your more basic gaming. Yeah lower power all day. It's case by case but I generally deal with (soundclown rappers) who think they're producers 😂
@@meair Efficiency curve comes in the quality of the power supply. Selling someone a 850W CWT unit in their build is just plain laziness and profiteering at its finest.
Just make sure you give yourself some overhead on PC part picker, just Incase :) for example 221W I'd say get a 400-500W PSU for your peripherals and also some wiggle room in the future. Not needed just a recommendation 😊
@@agbag8185 Yes I meant Seasonic, i had already responded to the previous comment of Patlot but for some reason it didnt post .-. EDIT: Whats your favorite seasoning calculator? :)
Those are some wild numbers. You would only want to go that high if you’re paranoid of extreme fluctuations from the 30 series of graphics cards, demonstrated by GamersNexus and even then it would still be overkill to go past like 850W.
Have a launch date GS800 that still works great, problem is when I plugged it in with a Ryzen 5500 and B550-A pro with a 3070, the LEDs went red. I... didn't have a good feeling about that one.
@@Not_interestEd- that sounds less of a power issue and more of the power rails, or a failing PSU. If you really mean a launch, 2011 PSU, you're talking about a PSU from an era with very different power rail design. Not nearly as different as, say, a 90s PSU to one today, but enough of a difference that it could be causing over current protection or something else to enable. If you still have it, you could also get a multimeter and test the rails to see if they're still in spec at idle.
@@metaleggman18 well- launch is probably exaggerated but thanks for the words of advice. I figured it was something like it was failing, but either way I got a new 1000w PSU, so I'll do the multimeter test later.
Ever heard of future proofing? Don’t wanna swap an entire PSU and cables (gotta use the cables that came with it… otherwise you may end up in a burned down house).
I go overkill with my power supplies that I’ve used in my builds mostly for future-proofing my rigs for upgrades in the future, but realistically the only setup that NEEDS a 1000w psu is a 4090 rig combined with a powerful cpu (13700/900k, high end am5 chipsets). Even something like a 7700x/4080 build only really needs a good 850w psu.
@@huskers1278 All modern power supplies are rated to go significantly over their wattage for periods of time to deal with those spikes. A & B tier (even some c tier) power supplies are definitely viable enough to handle acute power spikes like that. As long as it's not drawing 700w consistently, then all it needs is a quality 850w psu.
I’m running a similarl setup and it runs fine at default settings but when I try to overclock the GPU I get a lot of crashes no matter how I adjust the settings …. I have a 750 W Corsair Rmx A rated 80 gold … I’m going to upgrade to 1000 watts just to be safe
@@LeKretchHey man, 4 months late, apologies. That was a shared system with my brother, I went ahead and built my own system with a 4080 super, and swapped for his 7700x, with a newly purchased 7800x3d, as it was on sale for about the same price anyway, and he'll benefit more from it. Anywho, I also happen to have a 750 Watt PSU for this system too, and neither have shown any remote sign of not enough wattage. Unless if you do some extreme overclocking, the 1000+ would make sense, other wise, nah, 750w is fine, even for a lot of high end systems.
There were a couple of years with some real power hungry parts and a 1000 watt PSU was a good idea when you took the whole you want a bit of overhead for PSU degradation and "future proofing" and such but ya the efficiency of parts these days a 650 to 850 is all you really need. Checked part picker and even running a 7900x3d, 7900xtx, an AIO cooler, and best paired parts to go with those; it only states 643 watts. Now on the other hand a 14900k, 4090, and all the equal parts as the first build it does say 823 watts, but that is also a $4k build vs a $2k system. So my point stands 650-850 watts (though i likely would go for the 1k watts for the $4k build for some head room.
I will say having overkill never really hurts in terms of a PSU, we had a 650 watt PSU last for ages and I might re use it since it still works fine for another project. But yeah that commenter is just not the smartest. (the 650 watt PSU was a Antec Unit we had in a I5 2500 with a 6750 {died of heat} then later a 270X)
You're not necessarily buying a psu for just one rig though. When the next gen or two of parts come out who knows what power they're gonna demand or what fluctuates. Spending more on a PSU that has higher wattage and efficiency is a smart way to future-proof your system. Especially since they're the only parts that have any real warranties
Yeah but how much wattage can you even suffer in your room and chassis? I had a gtx295 once and I'm certainly not going to have a GPU anywhere near 300W ever again, just no. And not above 150W on the CPU. If I were to build something more powerful, it's going to be so expensive anyway so like what do I care that I spent 70€ on a 550W Seasonic Gold PSU that I'm later repurposing or giving away or keeping in storage just in case, it was fine for previous build, it's fine for this build, it's fine for prospective upgrades that I can envision, you don't want to overpay for something you might or might not need later. My last PSU was a 630W Bronze bqt (HEC) and died after 9 years somewhere in the standby circuit. So the death wasn't even consumption dependent, things just won't last forever regardless.
Yeah but saying everything under 1000w is too low is plain stupid, unless you're going full i9 + 4090 you don't need it Like, mid range is always relatively less power demanding, like, you can do all the jokes you want with a 4090 having spikes of 600w, but a 4070ti, always stays below 300w, maybe spiking at 350w Plus, spikes are spikes, if you have a good power supply, it can handle more than its max power for a split second, which is what a spike is.
Dude never said: don't go 1000w, he literally told you, go to this site it will give you a fairly accurate value Then if you want you can overstep a bit, but saying a 1000w os the minimum required is plain ass dumb
@@SianaGearz not wanting a power hungry gpu is fair, but limiting yourself that much on the CPU, not so easy, even an i5 like a 13600k easily goes past that under load
@@thunderarch5951 oof. I have a Ryzen 5500 (budget, I know) and even with PBO and Prime95, I can't get more than 82W out of it. If I need an upgrade, well at stock all the options fit within 125W envelope. If they have short boosts above or even if I unlock them, I'm actually quite certain I won't bake the 550W PSU. Obviously everyone has their own thresholds of what they're going for, and I think about 700W might as well be a reasonable default recommendation for people who don't know where they're going with the builds later. 1KW is nuts.
Definitely recommend running a PSU at 60% as this makes for a better efficiency and much less noise as the fan doesn’t need to run at max. So if the recommended wattage is around 600, then a 1000 watt PSU would be ideal.
The PCPartpicker estimate is nice, but I would increase it by about 50% or even double it to be safe. PCPartpicker shows average power draw. For example, it estimates a RTX 3090 at 350W, while has been shown that the RTX 3090 can draw >500W at peaks while under heavy load. If PCPartpicker shows 490W and you buy a 500W PSU, the RTX 3090 alone might draw 560W for a very short spike. Assuming your CPU is under load at that time, you suddenly have a PC trying to pull >700W from a 500W PSU which is probably too much for it to handle and it shuts off. PSUs are relatively cheap compared to other components. PSUs also perform best below their rating. Getting a high wattage and high quality PSU can protect your whole system. Sure, you won't need a 1000W PSU on a 400W System. But in most cases, especially when building a PC with new Mid- to High-End components from this year, going for 1000W isn't a bad idea.
I agree that it's well worth having more power available than you necessarily need, just as long as it's a good unit and this doesn't come at the cost of having to have lower end parts than you would otherwise, personally I run a HX1500i for an overclocked 7950X and a 3090 FTW3 with the 1kw kingpin bios (draws about 650w under load), realistically I could get away with a 1kw unit, just about, but having headroom is never a bad thing
My rig would use according to a calc about 280w and I was asking people if 450w psu is enough and people would unironically tell me its not enough get a 550-750w psu lol
When you look up how much a gtx1070 can draw, the answer is 150w. I mined on some, and stock they wouldn't run past 130w. Tried them gaming maxxed out, still 130w. Then I undervolted them. I can run a 1070 at 100-110 watts with zero performance loss. I've got two in sli in my aging build, with an I7-6700k and still haven't needed to exceed a 650w power supply, without undervolting.
The only reason I would suggest a 550w PSU in your case is because you're more likely to find a PSU with fully modular cables and it will most likely be a higher end model. Unfortunately, despite many people really only needing a 450w PSU, PSU manufacturers can kind of cheap out on them. Many brands will just be using a slightly modified rebranded PSU, or just a straight rebrand, from a Chinese company, rather than an internal design. It can also just be an internal design that's old or somewhat anemic in terms of how the power rails are setup. We used to have really good PSU tier lists for this reason, but unfortunately most of those are outdated. But to literally running your rig? Oh God yeah, 450w is plenty. I run a 5900x and a 3090 and I maybe push 600w total in a big workload. For reference I'm running an 850w PSU.
I used to run a 750w unknown brand PSU and it blew up down graded to 550w corsair and it's more reliable than ever!! Don't buy shit when u can get reliable, sorry for language but don't fuck up by getting cheap!! ❤❤❤
Also depends on what you have on your PC. I have a i7 6700k and a rtx 4080 and a 900 watt power supply. However, I also have a ton of other stuff connected, such as a blue ray cd drive, two 4tb HDDs a 250gb SSD, a 2tb nvme and a sound card. All that combines to a massive power draw that exceeds 800.
For heavy builds with RTX 30 series it's okay and for 40 series it's not enough but for something with like GTX 16 series it's definitely more than enough (also depends on other components of your pc)
@@p1xelated359 oh crap I didn't notice but NO, I am using a rtx 3080 and that already bottlenecks the CPU. A 4080 would be a much worse bottleneck. Tbh I'm just gonna do a fresh build if I upgrade to a current gen CPU. My current case sucks and it's air flow is atrocious even with my (semi) decent cable management.
Zach is totally right. However, when in doubt, having your ceiling too high is better than having it too low. Budget is important, but if your TDP is over the PSU limit, you're gonna have a bad time. Also, the QUALITY and reptutation for the PSU, more than any other part, is very important too.
@@ROFLMEISTER yeah but I think you should still go for a good quality 1000w psu because if you ever want to upgrade to a high end gpu you don’t have to upgrade your psu. You can have all the quality you want but if your psu is only 500w it’s not going to run your 3070 without som serious undervolting
@@x3r073 i think the important part to wanting a 1000w PSU is due to the fact that you should always have headroom on your PSU like if the build says it uses 800w should 1000% get a 1000w PSU
@X3R0! A 3080 wouldn't need 1000 watts, man? Fuck are you on? Unless your overclocking a ryzen 9 5950x with a 4090 to the brink, (even then you wouldn't really need it) its completely unnecessary
Hell, I ran a 4090 with a 13900KS on an EVGA 850w Platinum for a month and a half with zero issues after I moved off of some components. I should state that I didn't overclock in that time period for obvious reasons lol. I have been running an MSI A1000G pcie5 gold rated PSU. Very good unit, especially for the price. I was at microcenter yesterday and saw them for $150. When I bought it was $180 retail before tax. Quality units most of the time can go over spec on the 12v rail. I pulled 1000w of total system power draw from an 850w Asus Thor plat PSU. It showed right on the LCD screen on the side of the unit. Well it was like 988 watts or something like that but round up that's 1000. With my current platform i'm running a 7800x3d with a 4090. I could probably buy a high quality 750w unit and max out the 4090's power slider to 600w and i'd still probably be fine seeing the max my 7800x3d draws is 90w and that's only in cinebench.
@@georgefloyd1 bro how's ur power draw cause I wanna get a 3070 and have a 550w 80+ bronze power supply My cpu is a 12400 tho so it doesn't draw that much and when I put my rig in pc part picker it said my power draw is gonna be like 441w
I have a 6950xt / 7800X3D on a 1000w that I bought 7 years ago because i future proofed the power supply and have never had to calculate anything because I know it’s enough. It’s just so easy!
@@1syyn1 the P400a only has space for two fans on top, so if you're looking for better airflow that's not the best choice 🙄 but it also depends on your budget and how you're gonna use it
Actually, I agree with the guy. The thing I kept running into as I've upgraded my pc over the years is that I keep needing a bigger power supply. So if I had just started with a 1k watt psu to begin with, I would have saved 100's of dollars. It doesn't draw any more electricity than what the rig needs, so you can't argue the electric bill either. You will thank me in 5+ years when you never have to buy another one. Unless it's visible and you need a specific color lol.
Other than overspending, nothing bad will happen. When the computer is used, each components will ask for a specific amount of power that's needed to complete their current work load. The PSU will then attempt to give exactly that amount. No more, no less. Even if it has the ability to provide more power than the requested amount, it won't. Things will only go bad if the PSU can't give enough power to be distributed.
There is still some solid reason to give yourself headroom. The wattage you'll see on PCPartPicker is based on rated power usage, but many modern GPUs and CPUs are able to go far beyond that with out of the box "turbo" or other manufacturer supported overclocking. So it's typically a good idea to give yourself 25% headroom or so, while also considering a bit of buffer if you think it's likely you'll upgrade to a higher tier of a future generation within the 8 year lifespan of your power supply. Though even then, it's very unlikely you'll even need 850W.
There's also the simple unit economics of good quality PSUs. The cost savings of making a 450W SKU with the same high quality parts of a 650W model are not substantial enough to allow competitive pricing so manufacturers will instead use cheaper, less reliable and less efficient parts on the lower capacity PSUs. Although 80 plus rating and capacity do not measure reliability, you'll find that the higher rated power supplies within a manufacturer's lineup will have the lowest failure rate.
This is a bot of a tricky one but my personal advice is that pcpartpicker is accurate for the system however many people forget that any peripheral also use power and the estimate is more of a guideline. Personally I advise any customers I build for to add an extra 50w to be on the safe side and add a little more depending on how many things you have plugged in being powered directly by the system. At 25w per peripheral, most wont use anywhere near that but that little bit of extra leaves room to upgrade components in future without the need to worry to much about about having to replace the PSU
Nvidia clearly tells you to not go under 850 watts for their high end GPU. With next gen GPU that will go up again. However if you are NOT building a gaming PC, it is considered inefficient to use over 500 watt power box since high wattage power box is less efficient when it comes to low power draw. I have my dual Xeon server with 16 ram sticks and 6 SSD with no GPU which consumes only 160 watts according to my UPS power supply
5950X, 32GB memory, 3080 12GB, 11TB of SSDs and enough RGB to light up half the house, and I’ve been running on a RM850 power supply for two years now. Zero issues and the entire system UNDER MAX LOAD only peaks at about 720w.
This makes some sense, if you upgrade pc with top tier parts from like a year ago. Usually that means high overall tdp of final build, and having 1k (in my case its 1200 evga wich i got for price of 650 at the time) makes sense. Premium psu lasts forever, and while underused, also cold and quiet. It lets you forget about power, and upgrading psu in next 3 or ever 4 builds. Even though at first it may be pointless for a single build, the longevity and reliability is something, in my opinion, worth it, if you get more power at simmilar price. Please consider it! And also that baller 1200 sticker on the side, true conversation starter.
I got a 600w in 2016 knowing it was overkill for my system at the time and it Ship of Theseus'd itself into all my upgrades since 😂 it's definitely on its last leg but it's done admirable work
I was troubleshooting a PC for a friend. The power supply in his system is listed under F Tier "replace immediately" on the power supply tier list. Needless to say, it explained his stability issues.
I'm running beefy stuff all overcloked stable on 750. It's getting to the edge to need a bump up, but most people don't even need that, especially with normal clocks.
Unless you're going for the latest and greatest hardware, plan on filling your case with all the RGB, and all fans you can plus AIOs 1000 watts is very likely overkill. ~650 is generally plenty for modern mid-tier builds, and in the future that will likely drop as manufacturers make current GPUs with more efficient models. If you're doing a build, just practice some due diligence and find out what your system will need. It's not a bad idea to go up a notch though. If you get the minimum required wattage, and run a heavy load a lot, that PSUs life will shorten.
@@unexpectediteminbaggingare8074 Nope because if you decide to upgrade your system with much more power hungry components youll be fine Even if you decide to build a whole new beefy system You can still use it That’s why a no overkill mindset is better
@@thomasvandermerwe2461 no, please do not give advice. “futureproofing” is an infeffective concept. PSUs with more wattage get cheaper over time. Only buy what you need currently. Upgrade PSU as necessary. Simple as that. Why would you get a “new beefy system” then use an existing psu? PSUs protections and fans degrade over time.
He said upgrade though. Maybe not 1000 watts but you definitely want a powerful PSU more than what you’re building if you plan to upgrade in the future… the commenter was hyperbolic but not wrong
Even if you don’t know most low end pc are around 500-650 watt. 750-850 is that mid to high tier range but also you can buy to have that extra watt to upgrade later one.
Honestly, he’s not completely wrong. I always get more watts than what I really need just in case. I have an 850 watt for my 4070 and 7700x because in case of an upgrade with more ram or something, I’d want to have that extra power just in case.
I kind of wish I did. I am in the middle of a build with a 3070ti and probably getting a 13700k maybe waiting for the 14th series to come out. I’ll be at 670 watts before any overclocking or additional rgb fans. Rumor has it that the new 14th gen intels are needing higher power consumption as well. By the time the 50 series comes out I am guessing we will be well into the 700s. From what I understand you want to leave a 10% buffer on what your psu maxes out at. So at 850 W you really only want to occupy under 765w. For a 13900k and a 4090 with 64 gb ram and a 2tb 990 it’s already over 850w. So after overclocking later series stuff….I’d say he’s probably not entirely wrong.
Maybe he is saying about better upgrade ability, for if you want ever think about upgrading from a budget to a high end setup in the future. But all things aside I got an 850w psu with a ryzen 2600 and rx 7600. It gives me plenty room to upgrade and swap parts without bombarding me with the price of a quality psu
In additional to verifying your wattage, make sure it's quality and now some thrown together PSU with cheap capacitors that are ticking time bombs. The point of a PSU is to provide "clean" and constant power to delicate components. The comentor was probably parroting things he's heard about reviewers saying how to future proof. I understand if you're trying to futureproof to anticipating custom water loops and multiple pumps if you do two separate coolant lines for GPU/CPU, but you can trim a lot out of your budget by properly understanding your needs. Thank you for debunking myths with your content!
I picked up a 650w 80+ gold full modular because it was open box complete with manufacturer warranty from microcenter for less than the bronzes semi mods.
To be honest you always want to go with a higher wattage than you need, it's going to add longevity to the power supply but at a certain point it becomes pointless. I've heard people going outrageous on the wattage so that the usage never heats up the power supply to turn on its fan so they have a perfectly silent power supply.
From Experience the PC part picker wattage +~100W is the sweetspot. Gives wiggle room if the estimate is off and if you need to upgrade some smaller parts
My favorite is "That PSU is too high wattage for your parts, it's going to blow up your stuff" lol I could swear components pull power and PSU provides the wattage asked for... Just use common sense, find out the minimum wattage per component this also includes pumps, RGB strips, and fans and spec 50-100 watts over and you will be fine, if you OC than you do not apply to this formula because you already know what you need.
I only picked up a 1000w PSU because it was on sale and only $20 more than a 850w. It's peace of mind for how power hungry high end cards are getting but it's definitely overkill for me right now
I have an i5-11400 and an RTX 2060. I bought a 750W power supply just to be safe. I then hooked my entire setup, monitors included, up to a watt meter. While playing Red Dead Redemption 2 on medium settings at 1440p, my setup only pulls 350W from the wall...
I mean technically.. if you have a 13900K on blast that consumes like 400w alone, and an AIB 4090 that has a power limit of 520w and you managed to hit that for a bit… plus all your peripherals etc. it’s not unreasonable to need a 1000w+ PSU
I get that it's technically overkill, but from my point of view it doesn't hurt to have an extra power budget to be safe. It's down to personal preference along with your budget.
Have a guy trying to convince me that my 550w PSU wasn't enough for my i7 12700k, 3070 PC. 8 have to admit that I don't do overclock, and I undervolt everything but even without undervolting my PC never reach 500w. I even have a 850w PSU that I never use.
My 750 watt is getting strained. As much as I'd love to go get an 850, a 1000 would be ideal for any future projects I may have. This advice is solid for the average consumer... but I like to fidget with overclocking to an extreme, so I might legitimately need something at 1000 watts now.
unless you're going nitrogen cooling the latest cpus, combination of 4090 and the latest cpus will pull 800-850w max and that's absolute max synthetic stress test... no matter what game you play, you won't see more than 600-650w pulled by the pc
I run a 2022 Dell Precision 3660: i3 12100, 16GB DDR5 4800, , RTX 3060 12GB and 2TB storage. It has a 500W 92% Platinum PSU and it doesn't break a sweat. Brilliant for 1080P all day on ultimate settings around 100 - 120 FPS.
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Hello! Is having high psu watts while your pc dont need much a problem like what if i have 700 watts psu and my pc only needs 400 watts is it a problem?
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I got the victus 15l with the 350 gold what gpu max can i do?
Actually it's smart move to sell new PSU to customer
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Honestly, the dude is right. So many people end up with stability issues due to mediocre power supplies, or are limited when it comes upgrade time. A higher wattage power supply will cover up the flaws of lower quality ones to a degree, I'd never recommend someone buy less than an 850w high quality or 1000w medium quality psu for any pc that's going to have a dedicated gpu.
Ironically, older rigs would be the ones needing the higher wattage
Yes because they consume more power
@@edan7813 apparently, the commenter in the video doesn’t have a clue what is he talking about.
my cousins rx 590 consumes more power than my rx 5700 LOL
Yes, older rigs are power hungry 💀
@@zhila5958less transient spikes tho, the avg power draw will be higher but you will still need the same wattage coz of those transients
@@zhila5958 that’s sad lol
"never go under 1000 watts" is bro tryna power the whole house 💀
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The only reasons I've got a 1200W PSU is that I've got it on a big sale, it's ATX 3.0 and it's a Seasonic. Probably the last or second to last PSU I'll buy before PCs use atomic batteries or something.
Maybe for 15th gen intel and rtx 5090 he tell us to buy own nuclear power plant 💀💀💀💀💀
Bro is trying to power the GPUs that come out in 2 generations.
@@Liminal.HeadspaceSame, I only have a 850W PSU because it already was in my PC I got used, in heavy games I am at about 350W (directly from the wall).
People who act like they know what they’re talking about like this… confuse me
what do you mean
@@learningchannel3850 He’s talking abt the comment mentioned in the short
Literally
Lookup what digital voltage is only evga supernova and superflower at 1000w has it for a reasonable price and you absolutely need digital voltage to get the absolute best overclocks if you have shitty power a UPS to prevent bad house power from browning out also is huge. Plus intel gpus will work with vulkan multigpu thru valve proton very soon its already being added to the linux kernel as we speak get better psu and buy two 350$ gpus thank me later also vega 64 crossfire is absolutely a steal right now each card is 150$ and works with the nimez driver to restore crossfire in esports games like csgo fortnite rocket league and many others
well lets say you have 10 2 tb ssds hooked up with a overclocked intel core i9, a overclocked 4090 10 rgb fans, the biggest ddr5 cards possible and asus rog maximus Z690 you would go for a 1200 to 1400 psu (mainly because of all the shit thats connected and if your 4090 and I9 start to spike its gonna be fun) and only for safety because if there were no spikes I doubt you would need 1000w for the system
I’ve been going 5+ years strong with my 450w cheap psu which I’ve swapped in a nocturnal fan. Couldn’t be happier
Me too but our pcs are just babies compared to some behemoths
@@agnosticmanquestionsall2409 Had a friend buy a cheap PSU, it malfunctioned and killed his whole system 2 years in.
Not the part you wanna skimp on quality wise.
Nictua fan costs more than a better PSU. Wasted money.
@@Gerniaz I bought a decent PSU but its not high power. I agree with you to not cheap out on PSU, but I wouldnt cheap out on anything really except maybe the case ?!
@@agnosticmanquestionsall2409 The case isn't that important. When I built my first PC with a 3400G and 16gb of ram I used the case from a PC found in the trash, it was missing panels, had missing motherboard stand offs and rust spots. I had no issues with it besides the eyesore it was to look at it.
“This goober”💀💀 bro is lost
well i guess penguinz0 is lost too
Goofy goober
"Gen of PCs"... yeah, totally killed his point.
One should check the efficiency curve for their Power Supply to ensure that it is wasting as less power as possible at the estimated power draw of the PC and save on the electricity bill
They're zoomer youtubers, they don't have the brain power to understand what you said.
That used to be true but is mostly negligible in modern PSUs
The efficiency gradings are faked anyway. The difference between a Gold and Platinum rated PSU could just be a lucky batch.
@@dazeen9591 could just be marketing, but I like having titanium ratings. Tends to be higher quality.
@@xtremefps_ efficiency has nothing to do with quality though. But yeah it's safe to assume titanium would he higher quality. I just don't really find titanium power supplies to be cost efficient.
Titanium is something that you would only ever buy for PSUs that are close to 2000W, and in such cases they can easily cost $400-600.
It will take a really long time for the PSU to pay itself back unless you're running it 24/7.
For normal gaming and productivity work, titanium is sort of not worth it.
Went with an 850 for my build as a way to “future proof” it. Im not the kind of person to constantly upgrade but when I do I want my parts to be good enough for them
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850w is basically the max most people need to future proof, yeah. I'm running a 5900x and a 3090 and even under high loads I never get past 500-600w (I bought an 850w on my old rig knowing I'd upgrade from my 3600 and 2060). The only reason people suggested big power supplies was mainly for 3090/ti and their transient power spikes, which from what I understand was found to only really be an issue with certain cards, with certain revisions, and certain VBIOS.
? Shouldn't the future be more power efficient?
@@tobubiify perhaps. Even still it could take more power and I wont have to worry about it
@@tobubiify yes it is , but it would depend if the card is running at its efficiency range or pushed beyond that to hit a certain performance level like the 4090 which can hit 400w but is generally in the low 300 range , and modern cards would draw less power than older ones when adjusted for the same level of performance ( for example 4070ti and 3090 or the 3070 and 2080ti )
Always buy a power supply that is more than you need. That unit will come with you as you upgrade over time to new hardware
Well, not necessarily. Most people change the whole PC after several years, where partial upgrade doesn't make much sense anymore, and you can run into compatibility issues.
If you know you're changing bits here and there every year and you're enthusiast? Sure, make total sense.
No no NO.
If you're planning on upgrading soon, yes and only if you know your upgrades will draw more power. In fact, parts are getting more and more efficient, it's not crazy to say that upgrades in the future would draw the same or even less power. Most people building gaming rigs are using parts long term so "futureproofing" your PSU (if it will last that long in the first place) is a waste of money, both in cost of the PSU and in electricity bill.
@@NKOWZeroRenegade Absolutely correct, although I do have quite an old 1300W PSU that's become current again... if only I could now afford a 4090
future psu will getting better in efficiency, just dont too invest psu too much, it might not deliver same performance overtime...not many people has that capability to upgrade every gen anyway
This is why I bought a 650W Seasonic for 100$ instead of cheaping out. I dont have to get a new PSU in years. Its already been running for 3 years no issues already.
You could run a 13900k 4090 combo with a 850W psu but for overclocking, that 1000W would give you more headroom
The 30 series had massive power spikes that could kill lower quality PSU's, idk about the 40 series. That is one of the reasons you want a lot of headroom.
A PSU is also the part of your PC that lasts the longest (some of mine are 10+ years old at this point), and if dies badly can kill the rest of your system.
The PSU is the part you should put more cash into.
I've got a feeling this is more what the commenter was referring to, not just entry level.
@@Gerniaz pretty sure that psus don't last longer than cpus
@@heavygaming6596 Depends what you mean by lasting longer. A CPU will functionally operate for longer than a PSU, but will be obsolete for gaming much faster. A high quality PSU from 8 years ago can power a modern high end gaming rig today without issues. Any CPU from 8 years ago would bottleneck performance in that system.
@@heavygaming6596 The internal paste can dry out making the thermals untenable after 7+ years. This is for a server I had set up.
Usually change my CPUs way before the PSU.
Working in a repair shop, I always recommend going up to around 800 or 900 just so that way you have plenty of overheads should you decide to upgrade further in the future
Not very necessary nowadays as 750w is probably the highest you’ll need for a sub 1.2k pc
That's called 'upselling'. That right there would make me avoid you like the plague.
@@ABRetroCollections it’s called an efficiency curve, if you don’t use the high watts you don’t lose, you save
@@ABRetroCollections and it also depends on the customers needs. If they do more gaming/production/processing for example they'll need that extra power. If they're doing your more basic gaming. Yeah lower power all day. It's case by case but I generally deal with (soundclown rappers) who think they're producers 😂
@@meair Efficiency curve comes in the quality of the power supply. Selling someone a 850W CWT unit in their build is just plain laziness and profiteering at its finest.
Bro thinks we are going to make a PC drone 💀
Just make sure you give yourself some overhead on PC part picker, just Incase :) for example 221W I'd say get a 400-500W PSU for your peripherals and also some wiggle room in the future. Not needed just a recommendation 😊
Better to use seasoning wattage calculator
@@phamton919 ajinomoto calculator
@@phamton919 you mean SeaSonic?
@@agbag8185 Yes I meant Seasonic, i had already responded to the previous comment of Patlot but for some reason it didnt post .-.
EDIT: Whats your favorite seasoning calculator? :)
@@phamton919 Yeah, IMO garlick is like rgb: less is more
It won’t be long until PCs will need their own breaker, and given time a whole ass 3-phase circuit…
Watt was he talking about
BA DUM TSSSSS
i see what you did there
This is voltstrating to see this
Okay lol
He was definitely a 100% serious commenting that
Those are some wild numbers. You would only want to go that high if you’re paranoid of extreme fluctuations from the 30 series of graphics cards, demonstrated by GamersNexus and even then it would still be overkill to go past like 850W.
Have a launch date GS800 that still works great, problem is when I plugged it in with a Ryzen 5500 and B550-A pro with a 3070, the LEDs went red. I... didn't have a good feeling about that one.
@@Not_interestEd- that sounds less of a power issue and more of the power rails, or a failing PSU. If you really mean a launch, 2011 PSU, you're talking about a PSU from an era with very different power rail design. Not nearly as different as, say, a 90s PSU to one today, but enough of a difference that it could be causing over current protection or something else to enable. If you still have it, you could also get a multimeter and test the rails to see if they're still in spec at idle.
@@metaleggman18 well- launch is probably exaggerated but thanks for the words of advice. I figured it was something like it was failing, but either way I got a new 1000w PSU, so I'll do the multimeter test later.
Ever heard of future proofing? Don’t wanna swap an entire PSU and cables (gotta use the cables that came with it… otherwise you may end up in a burned down house).
@@VeniVidiAjax true, different psu could have different pinout orientation, even within the same brands.
I go overkill with my power supplies that I’ve used in my builds mostly for future-proofing my rigs for upgrades in the future, but realistically the only setup that NEEDS a 1000w psu is a 4090 rig combined with a powerful cpu (13700/900k, high end am5 chipsets). Even something like a 7700x/4080 build only really needs a good 850w psu.
Well I use the 7900xtx and have a 13900k the xtx pulls 460 constant with transient spikes over 700. It definitely should have 1k psu
@@huskers1278 All modern power supplies are rated to go significantly over their wattage for periods of time to deal with those spikes. A & B tier (even some c tier) power supplies are definitely viable enough to handle acute power spikes like that. As long as it's not drawing 700w consistently, then all it needs is a quality 850w psu.
I have been using 1200w since way back in the day. I like to keep my 2600k drunk on power.
my 5600g is living the life, has access to 1000w whenever it wants, with ample cooling and a 500 mhz overclock. gonna get my hands on a 5800x3d though
thats.. not how it works. Components draw power from the PSU, energy isnt delivered by the PSU to the CPU.
My personal trick is use the pcpartpicker estimate and add 200 watts, that’s the region of psu that you should get for that build
Rocking a 750watt PSU for my 7900XTX and R7 7700x!
If you have at least A tier psu it should be still ok
I’m running a similarl setup and it runs fine at default settings but when I try to overclock the GPU I get a lot of crashes no matter how I adjust the settings …. I have a 750 W Corsair Rmx A rated 80 gold … I’m going to upgrade to 1000 watts just to be safe
@@destinsather9757me with a 5800x and rx6600 running a 450w bronze
This is the build I’m about to buy, have you had any issues with the 750w since posting? Tia
@@LeKretchHey man, 4 months late, apologies.
That was a shared system with my brother, I went ahead and built my own system with a 4080 super, and swapped for his 7700x, with a newly purchased 7800x3d, as it was on sale for about the same price anyway, and he'll benefit more from it.
Anywho, I also happen to have a 750 Watt PSU for this system too, and neither have shown any remote sign of not enough wattage.
Unless if you do some extreme overclocking, the 1000+ would make sense, other wise, nah, 750w is fine, even for a lot of high end systems.
There were a couple of years with some real power hungry parts and a 1000 watt PSU was a good idea when you took the whole you want a bit of overhead for PSU degradation and "future proofing" and such but ya the efficiency of parts these days a 650 to 850 is all you really need.
Checked part picker and even running a 7900x3d, 7900xtx, an AIO cooler, and best paired parts to go with those; it only states 643 watts. Now on the other hand a 14900k, 4090, and all the equal parts as the first build it does say 823 watts, but that is also a $4k build vs a $2k system. So my point stands 650-850 watts (though i likely would go for the 1k watts for the $4k build for some head room.
I only have a 750W and that is working just perfect. 850 is still overkill, but this guy wants to set 1000w as the standard 😂
tbf 1000W is standard if your trying to future proof a mid-high end build. He is still wrong tho most rigs will never rneed near 850W obviously
TBF the current high-end PC need 1000watt minimum.
I like how ppl are so confidently incorrect
I’m running an i9-9900k and 3080 ti with a 650 psu and I have no problems 💀
We have a very similar build but I have a 3090 that loves to eat 350w and the 9900k oc at 4.8ghz under high load low key eats up a lot too
For now...
9940x and 3090 Fe and 850w was not enough so I dropped a 1200 in the mix and now I'm not running the nuts off my PSU.
I will say having overkill never really hurts in terms of a PSU, we had a 650 watt PSU last for ages and I might re use it since it still works fine for another project. But yeah that commenter is just not the smartest. (the 650 watt PSU was a Antec Unit we had in a I5 2500 with a 6750 {died of heat} then later a 270X)
You're not necessarily buying a psu for just one rig though. When the next gen or two of parts come out who knows what power they're gonna demand or what fluctuates. Spending more on a PSU that has higher wattage and efficiency is a smart way to future-proof your system. Especially since they're the only parts that have any real warranties
Yeah but how much wattage can you even suffer in your room and chassis? I had a gtx295 once and I'm certainly not going to have a GPU anywhere near 300W ever again, just no. And not above 150W on the CPU. If I were to build something more powerful, it's going to be so expensive anyway so like what do I care that I spent 70€ on a 550W Seasonic Gold PSU that I'm later repurposing or giving away or keeping in storage just in case, it was fine for previous build, it's fine for this build, it's fine for prospective upgrades that I can envision, you don't want to overpay for something you might or might not need later.
My last PSU was a 630W Bronze bqt (HEC) and died after 9 years somewhere in the standby circuit. So the death wasn't even consumption dependent, things just won't last forever regardless.
Yeah but saying everything under 1000w is too low is plain stupid, unless you're going full i9 + 4090 you don't need it
Like, mid range is always relatively less power demanding, like, you can do all the jokes you want with a 4090 having spikes of 600w, but a 4070ti, always stays below 300w, maybe spiking at 350w
Plus, spikes are spikes, if you have a good power supply, it can handle more than its max power for a split second, which is what a spike is.
Dude never said: don't go 1000w, he literally told you, go to this site it will give you a fairly accurate value
Then if you want you can overstep a bit, but saying a 1000w os the minimum required is plain ass dumb
@@SianaGearz not wanting a power hungry gpu is fair, but limiting yourself that much on the CPU, not so easy, even an i5 like a 13600k easily goes past that under load
@@thunderarch5951 oof. I have a Ryzen 5500 (budget, I know) and even with PBO and Prime95, I can't get more than 82W out of it. If I need an upgrade, well at stock all the options fit within 125W envelope. If they have short boosts above or even if I unlock them, I'm actually quite certain I won't bake the 550W PSU.
Obviously everyone has their own thresholds of what they're going for, and I think about 700W might as well be a reasonable default recommendation for people who don't know where they're going with the builds later. 1KW is nuts.
Definitely recommend running a PSU at 60% as this makes for a better efficiency and much less noise as the fan doesn’t need to run at max.
So if the recommended wattage is around 600, then a 1000 watt PSU would be ideal.
Exactly.
+1 I massively disagree with the video OP
when he said "u need atleast a 1000 watt for a 13/12th intel cpus" i knew he was a goofball
The PCPartpicker estimate is nice, but I would increase it by about 50% or even double it to be safe.
PCPartpicker shows average power draw. For example, it estimates a RTX 3090 at 350W, while has been shown that the RTX 3090 can draw >500W at peaks while under heavy load.
If PCPartpicker shows 490W and you buy a 500W PSU, the RTX 3090 alone might draw 560W for a very short spike. Assuming your CPU is under load at that time, you suddenly have a PC trying to pull >700W from a 500W PSU which is probably too much for it to handle and it shuts off.
PSUs are relatively cheap compared to other components. PSUs also perform best below their rating. Getting a high wattage and high quality PSU can protect your whole system. Sure, you won't need a 1000W PSU on a 400W System. But in most cases, especially when building a PC with new Mid- to High-End components from this year, going for 1000W isn't a bad idea.
Under no circumstance are you buying your PSU with only enough wattage to run just your GPU anyways, so this is a fallacy.
I agree that it's well worth having more power available than you necessarily need, just as long as it's a good unit and this doesn't come at the cost of having to have lower end parts than you would otherwise, personally I run a HX1500i for an overclocked 7950X and a 3090 FTW3 with the 1kw kingpin bios (draws about 650w under load), realistically I could get away with a 1kw unit, just about, but having headroom is never a bad thing
My rig would use according to a calc about 280w and I was asking people if 450w psu is enough and people would unironically tell me its not enough get a 550-750w psu lol
They probably assume that you're gonna upgrade to a 3090 or above GPUs where in reality most of us only upgrade to a 3060 or 3070 Or lower
When you look up how much a gtx1070 can draw, the answer is 150w. I mined on some, and stock they wouldn't run past 130w. Tried them gaming maxxed out, still 130w. Then I undervolted them. I can run a 1070 at 100-110 watts with zero performance loss. I've got two in sli in my aging build, with an I7-6700k and still haven't needed to exceed a 650w power supply, without undervolting.
The only reason I would suggest a 550w PSU in your case is because you're more likely to find a PSU with fully modular cables and it will most likely be a higher end model. Unfortunately, despite many people really only needing a 450w PSU, PSU manufacturers can kind of cheap out on them. Many brands will just be using a slightly modified rebranded PSU, or just a straight rebrand, from a Chinese company, rather than an internal design. It can also just be an internal design that's old or somewhat anemic in terms of how the power rails are setup. We used to have really good PSU tier lists for this reason, but unfortunately most of those are outdated.
But to literally running your rig? Oh God yeah, 450w is plenty. I run a 5900x and a 3090 and I maybe push 600w total in a big workload. For reference I'm running an 850w PSU.
Honestly I'd still just run a 650w. They're pretty cheap.
@@SonnoMaku haha maybe in the US not in EU
I used to run a 750w unknown brand PSU and it blew up down graded to 550w corsair and it's more reliable than ever!! Don't buy shit when u can get reliable, sorry for language but don't fuck up by getting cheap!! ❤❤❤
Yea just get like 50-100w extra from oc part picker watt usage it is saying
never let bro cook again 🔥🔥🔥
650w-750w more then enough
No. For some pcs it’s not. Just put it in a calculator and pick about 100-200w above that to be safe.
Also depends on what you have on your PC. I have a i7 6700k and a rtx 4080 and a 900 watt power supply. However, I also have a ton of other stuff connected, such as a blue ray cd drive, two 4tb HDDs a 250gb SSD, a 2tb nvme and a sound card. All that combines to a massive power draw that exceeds 800.
For heavy builds with RTX 30 series it's okay and for 40 series it's not enough but for something with like GTX 16 series it's definitely more than enough (also depends on other components of your pc)
@@DustyCruz never seen a 4080 build with 6th gen i7 lol, does it work for most games or your cpu bottlenecking some of your games?
@@p1xelated359 oh crap I didn't notice but NO, I am using a rtx 3080 and that already bottlenecks the CPU. A 4080 would be a much worse bottleneck. Tbh I'm just gonna do a fresh build if I upgrade to a current gen CPU. My current case sucks and it's air flow is atrocious even with my (semi) decent cable management.
Everybody is trying to force you to speed money, they all are payed for it. Quality 600w psu can power wonders..
Whats the comparing website?
pc part picker
Bro literally said how os it called, and It's not a comparing website, it's a website for picking parts for a pc
i usually go for cooler master site but there's a few sites to calculate.
@@xandrexgaming he's just asking my guy don't be so rude
@@xandrexgaming bro it is part comparison website. Stop being rude
Zach is totally right. However, when in doubt, having your ceiling too high is better than having it too low. Budget is important, but if your TDP is over the PSU limit, you're gonna have a bad time. Also, the QUALITY and reptutation for the PSU, more than any other part, is very important too.
If you have the money for it you should probably go for the 1000w psu
Yeah no, that's a bad advice. You dont need more watts, you need more quality. Fucking aerocool has 1000w psus, doesnt mean they're good
@@ROFLMEISTER yeah but I think you should still go for a good quality 1000w psu because if you ever want to upgrade to a high end gpu you don’t have to upgrade your psu. You can have all the quality you want but if your psu is only 500w it’s not going to run your 3070 without som serious undervolting
@@x3r073 i think the important part to wanting a 1000w PSU is due to the fact that you should always have headroom on your PSU like if the build says it uses 800w should 1000% get a 1000w PSU
@@x3r073 for most people, who's PCs are like 500-ish watts, doubling that "just in case I want to upgrade" would be dumb.
@X3R0! A 3080 wouldn't need 1000 watts, man? Fuck are you on? Unless your overclocking a ryzen 9 5950x with a 4090 to the brink, (even then you wouldn't really need it) its completely unnecessary
Hell, I ran a 4090 with a 13900KS on an EVGA 850w Platinum for a month and a half with zero issues after I moved off of some components. I should state that I didn't overclock in that time period for obvious reasons lol.
I have been running an MSI A1000G pcie5 gold rated PSU. Very good unit, especially for the price. I was at microcenter yesterday and saw them for $150. When I bought it was $180 retail before tax.
Quality units most of the time can go over spec on the 12v rail. I pulled 1000w of total system power draw from an 850w Asus Thor plat PSU. It showed right on the LCD screen on the side of the unit. Well it was like 988 watts or something like that but round up that's 1000.
With my current platform i'm running a 7800x3d with a 4090. I could probably buy a high quality 750w unit and max out the 4090's power slider to 600w and i'd still probably be fine seeing the max my 7800x3d draws is 90w and that's only in cinebench.
Kinda wild. I have used my R5 3600 with a GTX 1080 Ti on a 600w PSU for over a year now and never had power problems.
Bro i have ryzen 7 and rtx 3070 on 600w 💀
@@georgefloyd1 bro how's ur power draw cause I wanna get a 3070 and have a 550w 80+ bronze power supply
My cpu is a 12400 tho so it doesn't draw that much and when I put my rig in pc part picker it said my power draw is gonna be like 441w
I have a 6950xt / 7800X3D on a 1000w that I bought 7 years ago because i future proofed the power supply and have never had to calculate anything because I know it’s enough. It’s just so easy!
Perfect example of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
Some case options for the larger 40 series cards?
Corsair 4000d airflow
Next h7
Maybe even h5, which is a bit smaller...just Google the case model followed by "max GPU length" to check what's the bigger card you can use with it
Mostly any you have in mind, just make sure they are airflow focused like the p400a for instance, the options these people mentioned are dog water
@@1syyn1 the P400a only has space for two fans on top, so if you're looking for better airflow that's not the best choice 🙄 but it also depends on your budget and how you're gonna use it
Actually, I agree with the guy. The thing I kept running into as I've upgraded my pc over the years is that I keep needing a bigger power supply. So if I had just started with a 1k watt psu to begin with, I would have saved 100's of dollars. It doesn't draw any more electricity than what the rig needs, so you can't argue the electric bill either. You will thank me in 5+ years when you never have to buy another one. Unless it's visible and you need a specific color lol.
Transient spikes is the reason why you want to go way over your assumed wattage load esp if you're on them higher end cards.
This guy must be a super overclock master
Go ahead and skimp on the psu with that fancy ti card. You'll be going right back to the store just like I had to.
I always run a psu with 200 watts of headroom, minimum. Been running 400w systems on a 750w psu for years, over the last 3 systems I have had.
I just hope the trend shifts back towards efficiency and away from dumping watts for raw power.
I need help like what happens if i use a higher supply then needed?
Nothing happened but u can futureproofing ur PC in the future
Then you wasted your money
Nothing you can’t break parts with psu it will only use so much of the wattage it supplies
Other than overspending, nothing bad will happen. When the computer is used, each components will ask for a specific amount of power that's needed to complete their current work load. The PSU will then attempt to give exactly that amount. No more, no less. Even if it has the ability to provide more power than the requested amount, it won't. Things will only go bad if the PSU can't give enough power to be distributed.
If you want higher end gpu in the future i say the best bet is 850 watts
There is still some solid reason to give yourself headroom. The wattage you'll see on PCPartPicker is based on rated power usage, but many modern GPUs and CPUs are able to go far beyond that with out of the box "turbo" or other manufacturer supported overclocking. So it's typically a good idea to give yourself 25% headroom or so, while also considering a bit of buffer if you think it's likely you'll upgrade to a higher tier of a future generation within the 8 year lifespan of your power supply. Though even then, it's very unlikely you'll even need 850W.
There's also the simple unit economics of good quality PSUs. The cost savings of making a 450W SKU with the same high quality parts of a 650W model are not substantial enough to allow competitive pricing so manufacturers will instead use cheaper, less reliable and less efficient parts on the lower capacity PSUs. Although 80 plus rating and capacity do not measure reliability, you'll find that the higher rated power supplies within a manufacturer's lineup will have the lowest failure rate.
You know bros a joke when he uses two hands to hold his phone for his yt profile pic
This is a bot of a tricky one but my personal advice is that pcpartpicker is accurate for the system however many people forget that any peripheral also use power and the estimate is more of a guideline. Personally I advise any customers I build for to add an extra 50w to be on the safe side and add a little more depending on how many things you have plugged in being powered directly by the system. At 25w per peripheral, most wont use anywhere near that but that little bit of extra leaves room to upgrade components in future without the need to worry to much about about having to replace the PSU
Nvidia clearly tells you to not go under 850 watts for their high end GPU. With next gen GPU that will go up again.
However if you are NOT building a gaming PC, it is considered inefficient to use over 500 watt power box since high wattage power box is less efficient when it comes to low power draw.
I have my dual Xeon server with 16 ram sticks and 6 SSD with no GPU which consumes only 160 watts according to my UPS power supply
I died after he used the Halo Reach firefight voice for an overkill, it was just so unexpected
5950X, 32GB memory, 3080 12GB, 11TB of SSDs and enough RGB to light up half the house, and I’ve been running on a RM850 power supply for two years now. Zero issues and the entire system UNDER MAX LOAD only peaks at about 720w.
This makes some sense, if you upgrade pc with top tier parts from like a year ago. Usually that means high overall tdp of final build, and having 1k (in my case its 1200 evga wich i got for price of 650 at the time) makes sense. Premium psu lasts forever, and while underused, also cold and quiet. It lets you forget about power, and upgrading psu in next 3 or ever 4 builds.
Even though at first it may be pointless for a single build, the longevity and reliability is something, in my opinion, worth it, if you get more power at simmilar price. Please consider it!
And also that baller 1200 sticker on the side, true conversation starter.
I got a 600w in 2016 knowing it was overkill for my system at the time and it Ship of Theseus'd itself into all my upgrades since 😂 it's definitely on its last leg but it's done admirable work
I was troubleshooting a PC for a friend. The power supply in his system is listed under F Tier "replace immediately" on the power supply tier list. Needless to say, it explained his stability issues.
I had a 7700k OC 4.6ghz, and rx 6700 10gb on a fatal1ty 550w psu, that was from a previous build and was perfectly fine
I'm running beefy stuff all overcloked stable on 750. It's getting to the edge to need a bump up, but most people don't even need that, especially with normal clocks.
Unless you're going for the latest and greatest hardware, plan on filling your case with all the RGB, and all fans you can plus AIOs 1000 watts is very likely overkill. ~650 is generally plenty for modern mid-tier builds, and in the future that will likely drop as manufacturers make current GPUs with more efficient models. If you're doing a build, just practice some due diligence and find out what your system will need. It's not a bad idea to go up a notch though. If you get the minimum required wattage, and run a heavy load a lot, that PSUs life will shorten.
As a sound engineer i only look at how loud the fans are, and from there i choose my wattage. And 850w is fine
There is no overkill for PSU
Just in case is a better mindset then not having it
no…? there is clearly overkill for psus.
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Nope because if you decide to upgrade your system with much more power hungry components youll be fine
Even if you decide to build a whole new beefy system
You can still use it
That’s why a no overkill mindset is better
@@thomasvandermerwe2461 no, please do not give advice. “futureproofing” is an infeffective concept. PSUs with more wattage get cheaper over time. Only buy what you need currently. Upgrade PSU as necessary. Simple as that. Why would you get a “new beefy system” then use an existing psu? PSUs protections and fans degrade over time.
Bruh has unlimited power budget to spare... Nuke reactor at the basement most likely... XD
He said upgrade though. Maybe not 1000 watts but you definitely want a powerful PSU more than what you’re building if you plan to upgrade in the future… the commenter was hyperbolic but not wrong
Overclocking and SLIs are making the Power Supply way up to 1500w. Nowadays, PC components are now power efficient.
Even if you don’t know most low end pc are around 500-650 watt. 750-850 is that mid to high tier range but also you can buy to have that extra watt to upgrade later one.
I bought a 850 when that was considered to much but here I am still using it with almost all current hardware no one needs a 1000w
Honestly, he’s not completely wrong. I always get more watts than what I really need just in case. I have an 850 watt for my 4070 and 7700x because in case of an upgrade with more ram or something, I’d want to have that extra power just in case.
Are you joking?
@@I_Jakob_I no why would I be.
@@m4rvelous23 because you have 400 watts for a ram upgrade?
One day that person's mom will make them start paying the electric bill😂😂😂
I kind of wish I did. I am in the middle of a build with a 3070ti and probably getting a 13700k maybe waiting for the 14th series to come out. I’ll be at 670 watts before any overclocking or additional rgb fans. Rumor has it that the new 14th gen intels are needing higher power consumption as well. By the time the 50 series comes out I am guessing we will be well into the 700s. From what I understand you want to leave a 10% buffer on what your psu maxes out at. So at 850 W you really only want to occupy under 765w. For a 13900k and a 4090 with 64 gb ram and a 2tb 990 it’s already over 850w. So after overclocking later series stuff….I’d say he’s probably not entirely wrong.
Maybe he is saying about better upgrade ability, for if you want ever think about upgrading from a budget to a high end setup in the future. But all things aside I got an 850w psu with a ryzen 2600 and rx 7600. It gives me plenty room to upgrade and swap parts without bombarding me with the price of a quality psu
In additional to verifying your wattage, make sure it's quality and now some thrown together PSU with cheap capacitors that are ticking time bombs. The point of a PSU is to provide "clean" and constant power to delicate components.
The comentor was probably parroting things he's heard about reviewers saying how to future proof. I understand if you're trying to futureproof to anticipating custom water loops and multiple pumps if you do two separate coolant lines for GPU/CPU, but you can trim a lot out of your budget by properly understanding your needs. Thank you for debunking myths with your content!
I am under the assumption that half of the world suffers from the dunning Kruger effect.
I picked up a 650w 80+ gold full modular because it was open box complete with manufacturer warranty from microcenter for less than the bronzes semi mods.
Im only using a 500w power supply for a Ryzen 5 2600 and a gtx 1070 and works perfectly fine
this manz insane
To be honest you always want to go with a higher wattage than you need, it's going to add longevity to the power supply but at a certain point it becomes pointless. I've heard people going outrageous on the wattage so that the usage never heats up the power supply to turn on its fan so they have a perfectly silent power supply.
The guy's right...
...if the priority is to never have your fans kick on.
From Experience the PC part picker wattage +~100W is the sweetspot. Gives wiggle room if the estimate is off and if you need to upgrade some smaller parts
My favorite is "That PSU is too high wattage for your parts, it's going to blow up your stuff" lol I could swear components pull power and PSU provides the wattage asked for... Just use common sense, find out the minimum wattage per component this also includes pumps, RGB strips, and fans and spec 50-100 watts over and you will be fine, if you OC than you do not apply to this formula because you already know what you need.
There’s peripherals too, and with 90% of them being RGB…
I only picked up a 1000w PSU because it was on sale and only $20 more than a 850w. It's peace of mind for how power hungry high end cards are getting but it's definitely overkill for me right now
Bros tryna run a quantum computer💀
I have an i5-11400 and an RTX 2060. I bought a 750W power supply just to be safe. I then hooked my entire setup, monitors included, up to a watt meter. While playing Red Dead Redemption 2 on medium settings at 1440p, my setup only pulls 350W from the wall...
well yes thats good thing, your psu is gonna last longer, it will be quieter and it will be more eficient than have the psu under full load.
just remember if you use the 4000 series grphic card add a bit of wattage for spikes
I mean technically.. if you have a 13900K on blast that consumes like 400w alone, and an AIB 4090 that has a power limit of 520w and you managed to hit that for a bit… plus all your peripherals etc. it’s not unreasonable to need a 1000w+ PSU
He is right though power supply goes a long way so , investing bit more now makes it way ezsier later
I get that it's technically overkill, but from my point of view it doesn't hurt to have an extra power budget to be safe.
It's down to personal preference along with your budget.
I have built PCs with a 200W power supply. 25 years ago.
My current PC is a 5950X with a 3090 and 700W is more than plenty.
Have a guy trying to convince me that my 550w PSU wasn't enough for my i7 12700k, 3070 PC. 8 have to admit that I don't do overclock, and I undervolt everything but even without undervolting my PC never reach 500w. I even have a 850w PSU that I never use.
my PSU is powering 2050 watts
My 750 watt is getting strained. As much as I'd love to go get an 850, a 1000 would be ideal for any future projects I may have. This advice is solid for the average consumer... but I like to fidget with overclocking to an extreme, so I might legitimately need something at 1000 watts now.
unless you're going nitrogen cooling the latest cpus, combination of 4090 and the latest cpus will pull 800-850w max and that's absolute max synthetic stress test... no matter what game you play, you won't see more than 600-650w pulled by the pc
That guy needs 1 mgwatt sub station just to feed his set up 😂
Lol, I am using 650W PSU with AMD Ryzen 5 2600 and GeForce GTX 960 4GB. For my system even 350W PSU would be enough.
Yes. That's true, we all need 1000 watt PSU either to add in induction cooker inside our CPU or portable air conditioner 😂
I run a 2022 Dell Precision 3660: i3 12100, 16GB DDR5 4800, , RTX 3060 12GB and 2TB storage. It has a 500W 92% Platinum PSU and it doesn't break a sweat. Brilliant for 1080P all day on ultimate settings around 100 - 120 FPS.
ME rocking a 1300W PSU thinking : Huh cute !