Hello! Is having high psu watts while your pc dont need much a problem like what if i have 700 watts psu and my pc only needs 400 watts is it a problem?
Honestly, the dude is right. So many people end up with stability issues due to mediocre power supplies, or are limited when it comes upgrade time. A higher wattage power supply will cover up the flaws of lower quality ones to a degree, I'd never recommend someone buy less than an 850w high quality or 1000w medium quality psu for any pc that's going to have a dedicated gpu.
@@edan7813 apparently, the commenter in the video doesn’t have a clue what is he talking about. my cousins rx 590 consumes more power than my rx 5700 LOL
The only reasons I've got a 1200W PSU is that I've got it on a big sale, it's ATX 3.0 and it's a Seasonic. Probably the last or second to last PSU I'll buy before PCs use atomic batteries or something.
@@Liminal.HeadspaceSame, I only have a 850W PSU because it already was in my PC I got used, in heavy games I am at about 350W (directly from the wall).
There were a couple of years with some real power hungry parts and a 1000 watt PSU was a good idea when you took the whole you want a bit of overhead for PSU degradation and "future proofing" and such but ya the efficiency of parts these days a 650 to 850 is all you really need. Checked part picker and even running a 7900x3d, 7900xtx, an AIO cooler, and best paired parts to go with those; it only states 643 watts. Now on the other hand a 14900k, 4090, and all the equal parts as the first build it does say 823 watts, but that is also a $4k build vs a $2k system. So my point stands 650-850 watts (though i likely would go for the 1k watts for the $4k build for some head room.
Actually, I agree with the guy. The thing I kept running into as I've upgraded my pc over the years is that I keep needing a bigger power supply. So if I had just started with a 1k watt psu to begin with, I would have saved 100's of dollars. It doesn't draw any more electricity than what the rig needs, so you can't argue the electric bill either. You will thank me in 5+ years when you never have to buy another one. Unless it's visible and you need a specific color lol.
Unless you're going for the latest and greatest hardware, plan on filling your case with all the RGB, and all fans you can plus AIOs 1000 watts is very likely overkill. ~650 is generally plenty for modern mid-tier builds, and in the future that will likely drop as manufacturers make current GPUs with more efficient models. If you're doing a build, just practice some due diligence and find out what your system will need. It's not a bad idea to go up a notch though. If you get the minimum required wattage, and run a heavy load a lot, that PSUs life will shorten.
To be honest you always want to go with a higher wattage than you need, it's going to add longevity to the power supply but at a certain point it becomes pointless. I've heard people going outrageous on the wattage so that the usage never heats up the power supply to turn on its fan so they have a perfectly silent power supply.
The PCPartpicker estimate is nice, but I would increase it by about 50% or even double it to be safe. PCPartpicker shows average power draw. For example, it estimates a RTX 3090 at 350W, while has been shown that the RTX 3090 can draw >500W at peaks while under heavy load. If PCPartpicker shows 490W and you buy a 500W PSU, the RTX 3090 alone might draw 560W for a very short spike. Assuming your CPU is under load at that time, you suddenly have a PC trying to pull >700W from a 500W PSU which is probably too much for it to handle and it shuts off. PSUs are relatively cheap compared to other components. PSUs also perform best below their rating. Getting a high wattage and high quality PSU can protect your whole system. Sure, you won't need a 1000W PSU on a 400W System. But in most cases, especially when building a PC with new Mid- to High-End components from this year, going for 1000W isn't a bad idea.
Zach is totally right. However, when in doubt, having your ceiling too high is better than having it too low. Budget is important, but if your TDP is over the PSU limit, you're gonna have a bad time. Also, the QUALITY and reptutation for the PSU, more than any other part, is very important too.
Almost all parts have power comsumption charts on toms hardware taking cpu and gpu consumption and then adding 100w for perf is how i find my rough total power consumption
@@georgefloyd1 bro how's ur power draw cause I wanna get a 3070 and have a 550w 80+ bronze power supply My cpu is a 12400 tho so it doesn't draw that much and when I put my rig in pc part picker it said my power draw is gonna be like 441w
I have a 6950xt / 7800X3D on a 1000w that I bought 7 years ago because i future proofed the power supply and have never had to calculate anything because I know it’s enough. It’s just so easy!
I definitly wouldn't go under 1000w anymore because of coile whine and transient spikes. When I was running an 850w I had noticible coil whine and random shutdowns with my 3080 switched to a diffrent 850w and had better results but still coil whine and occasional shutdowns. Upgraded to a 1200w psu and the coil whine gone and no shutdowns in months.
What we have here is an example of what is known as “maximum cope”. The symptoms generally include defending your delusional purchases of little to no research, with incorrect information.
My 750 watt is getting strained. As much as I'd love to go get an 850, a 1000 would be ideal for any future projects I may have. This advice is solid for the average consumer... but I like to fidget with overclocking to an extreme, so I might legitimately need something at 1000 watts now.
unless you're going nitrogen cooling the latest cpus, combination of 4090 and the latest cpus will pull 800-850w max and that's absolute max synthetic stress test... no matter what game you play, you won't see more than 600-650w pulled by the pc
Like if you have a cheap PC and you’re just starting out on making it, you should get a powerful power supply if you’re looking to upgrade in the future basically
My new PC will have a wattage of like 750W, I'm going with a 1200 PSU anyways. Partly because of the comfort, and also because that's literally the only white PSU I can find.
I recently gave my PC a major overhaul, upgrading from a Core I5 4th gen, 12 GB ram to a Ryzen 7 5700x, 16 GB ram. I kept my old PSU, GPU and Storage to save a few bucks for now, looking to upgrade later down the line though. My old 630w PSU was still plenty to power my rig (though the very dated colour scheme of the cables is a bit of an eyesore) I'll look around for a new PSU and GPU (recommendations are welcome, my current GPU is an MSI 1060 6GB, looking to stay with MSI)
I have a 3090ti and an i7 13700f with some decent rgb, it was recommended to go 850, but I didn’t want to risk it and went 1k, I think that’s what he’s talking about with a “13th gen build”
I have a server with a 12700k with an HBA card with 16 drive bays all full with 10TB hard drives that even the PC parts picker says I need an 850 watt and that's not including the 6 120mm fans with the 2 80mm fans and yes for the people doing math thats 160tb
I got a 850w gold power supply. 13700k and a 6650xt, I'm good for either a 7900xtx or 4080. 4090 would be pushing it, but under volting on both cpu and gpu would make it perfectly okay
For Overclocking , he is right guys . but you all can sit there with ur expensive pcs and dont overclock , cause you really cant do it. thats the reason why you all only need max 850 watt. ^^
@@themadnes5413 in theory its about right under full tilt the 5900x is around 80-100w at 5-5.1ghz and the 4080s ive seen basically draw 330w not sure how much power draw ram and drives pull cause im running 4x8 3600mhz
He's not really wrong. Going with 1000w would be my recommendation as well for anyone in the process of building a PC. That way you're future proofing yourself a bit since the new GPU's are very power hungry and also you can overclock all you want without worrying if you'll have enough juice for it.
To be fair it’s a system by system basis. For example I have a 1300W PSU, do I need it? No, I have a RTX 3070 and Ryzen 5 5600X. Reason I bought it? It was in sale for $160 from EVGA, 80+ Plat and runs silent in my build. My room isn’t just for gaming but audio mixing and silence is important to me.
You're unlikely to kill your components without enough power, it just won't run or will turn off suddenly (which is a feature of a high quality PSU). In incredibly rare circumstances you might hurt something, but the most likely thing is a small amount of corruption to your data. What you can do is buy a crappy, underpowered PSU and _that_ can hurt your components when overloading it. If you're going over 850W to future proof, you're just wasting money, since there's a lot of good PSUs between 550-650w.
Higher wattage psu runs more efficiently at lower watts than a lower wattage psu running at 100 percent all the time. It's always a good idea to go overboard on the psu. Same as with any piece of equipment. You don't want to be running at the limits all the time
He does have a point. Recently 1000 Watt psus have become more common and significantly cheaper. Ive seen seasonic branded ones going for between 150 and 200€ here in germany. And you might not need 1000 Watts now but the psu is one of the longest lasting PC components and ive had mine for 3 builds now. Good ones also come with warrantys between 10 to 15 years. So investing the extra 100 or so €s now might safe you money in the future. Of course everybody knows best what they need.
damn I bought a new psu cuz I was scared 600w are not enought for a 4070 and a ryzen 9 5900x, but by adding all my components pc part picker says I'm around 415W D: I bought a new PSU anyway, but damn, this surprised me a lot
Could you maybe explain why we can't buy a 1000W so that if we upgrade parts in the future, we wont have to upgrade the PSU if they require more wattage?
Yea I did go a little over the top with my latest build I ended up going with a 1200w platinum power supply for a 4070ti and 13900k I could of gone with a 850w-1000w instead and save a few.
I love to recomend peoples get a powersuply from a good and well known company , and somewhere around 750-850 W on the first buil, even if is quite expensive and they are trying to make a cheapper build , because that powersuply could be used even up to 10 years without any problems or needs for improvments , the powersuply and the RAM (even the storrage) are the things that you will keep using after 5 years most of the times.
Dude a 13600k and a 6800xt only needs 650w, certification is waaaaaaaaaaaay more important. You will see your non 80+ 1000w burn your entire house. How is that for a regular upgrade 😂😂😂😂
with the most power hungry cpu and 4090 and beyond "power drain" ( they eat a lot of power). cooling system, pumps or aio (high end) and 4-6 hard drives for illegal actives, you may need 1000w. when 4090 high end first came out they overwhelmed 600-800w PSU's (bronze and silver rated) so i can't say that comment is wrong, mainly because there video's of you tube PC techs running into system problems due to lack of power.
I have a 1200w psu I just put into my new 7000d case but I'm planning to do some insane shit with this pc in time once I get the money to slowly keep upgrading this thing
I went kinda overkill with my Powee Supply lol, I got a 1000w but I also have a 4080 FE and a Ryzen 9 7900x with an AIO and some more crap. I tried to future proof my computer 🫠
Lookup what digital voltage is only evga supernova and superflower at 1000w has it for a reasonable price and you absolutely need digital voltage to get the absolute best overclocks if you have shitty power a UPS to prevent bad house power from browning out also is huge. Plus intel gpus will work with vulkan multigpu thru valve proton very soon its already being added to the linux kernel as we speak get better psu and buy two 350$ gpus thank me later also vega 64 crossfire is absolutely a steal right now each card is 150$ and works with the nimez driver to restore crossfire in esports games like csgo fortnite rocket league and many others
well lets say you have 10 2 tb ssds hooked up with a overclocked intel core i9, a overclocked 4090 10 rgb fans, the biggest ddr5 cards possible and asus rog maximus Z690 you would go for a 1200 to 1400 psu (mainly because of all the shit thats connected and if your 4090 and I9 start to spike its gonna be fun) and only for safety because if there were no spikes I doubt you would need 1000w for the system
@@agnosticmanquestionsall2409 Had a friend buy a cheap PSU, it malfunctioned and killed his whole system 2 years in. Not the part you wanna skimp on quality wise.
@@Gerniaz I bought a decent PSU but its not high power. I agree with you to not cheap out on PSU, but I wouldnt cheap out on anything really except maybe the case ?!
@@agnosticmanquestionsall2409 The case isn't that important. When I built my first PC with a 3400G and 16gb of ram I used the case from a PC found in the trash, it was missing panels, had missing motherboard stand offs and rust spots. I had no issues with it besides the eyesore it was to look at it.
One should check the efficiency curve for their Power Supply to ensure that it is wasting as less power as possible at the estimated power draw of the PC and save on the electricity bill
@@xtremefps_ efficiency has nothing to do with quality though. But yeah it's safe to assume titanium would he higher quality. I just don't really find titanium power supplies to be cost efficient. Titanium is something that you would only ever buy for PSUs that are close to 2000W, and in such cases they can easily cost $400-600. It will take a really long time for the PSU to pay itself back unless you're running it 24/7. For normal gaming and productivity work, titanium is sort of not worth it.
Went with an 850 for my build as a way to “future proof” it. Im not the kind of person to constantly upgrade but when I do I want my parts to be good enough for them
850w is basically the max most people need to future proof, yeah. I'm running a 5900x and a 3090 and even under high loads I never get past 500-600w (I bought an 850w on my old rig knowing I'd upgrade from my 3600 and 2060). The only reason people suggested big power supplies was mainly for 3090/ti and their transient power spikes, which from what I understand was found to only really be an issue with certain cards, with certain revisions, and certain VBIOS.
@@tobubiify yes it is , but it would depend if the card is running at its efficiency range or pushed beyond that to hit a certain performance level like the 4090 which can hit 400w but is generally in the low 300 range , and modern cards would draw less power than older ones when adjusted for the same level of performance ( for example 4070ti and 3090 or the 3070 and 2080ti )
The 30 series had massive power spikes that could kill lower quality PSU's, idk about the 40 series. That is one of the reasons you want a lot of headroom. A PSU is also the part of your PC that lasts the longest (some of mine are 10+ years old at this point), and if dies badly can kill the rest of your system. The PSU is the part you should put more cash into.
@@heavygaming6596 Depends what you mean by lasting longer. A CPU will functionally operate for longer than a PSU, but will be obsolete for gaming much faster. A high quality PSU from 8 years ago can power a modern high end gaming rig today without issues. Any CPU from 8 years ago would bottleneck performance in that system.
@@heavygaming6596 The internal paste can dry out making the thermals untenable after 7+ years. This is for a server I had set up. Usually change my CPUs way before the PSU.
Well, not necessarily. Most people change the whole PC after several years, where partial upgrade doesn't make much sense anymore, and you can run into compatibility issues. If you know you're changing bits here and there every year and you're enthusiast? Sure, make total sense.
No no NO. If you're planning on upgrading soon, yes and only if you know your upgrades will draw more power. In fact, parts are getting more and more efficient, it's not crazy to say that upgrades in the future would draw the same or even less power. Most people building gaming rigs are using parts long term so "futureproofing" your PSU (if it will last that long in the first place) is a waste of money, both in cost of the PSU and in electricity bill.
future psu will getting better in efficiency, just dont too invest psu too much, it might not deliver same performance overtime...not many people has that capability to upgrade every gen anyway
This is why I bought a 650W Seasonic for 100$ instead of cheaping out. I dont have to get a new PSU in years. Its already been running for 3 years no issues already.
Just make sure you give yourself some overhead on PC part picker, just Incase :) for example 221W I'd say get a 400-500W PSU for your peripherals and also some wiggle room in the future. Not needed just a recommendation 😊
@@agbag8185 Yes I meant Seasonic, i had already responded to the previous comment of Patlot but for some reason it didnt post .-. EDIT: Whats your favorite seasoning calculator? :)
Those are some wild numbers. You would only want to go that high if you’re paranoid of extreme fluctuations from the 30 series of graphics cards, demonstrated by GamersNexus and even then it would still be overkill to go past like 850W.
Have a launch date GS800 that still works great, problem is when I plugged it in with a Ryzen 5500 and B550-A pro with a 3070, the LEDs went red. I... didn't have a good feeling about that one.
@@Not_interestEd- that sounds less of a power issue and more of the power rails, or a failing PSU. If you really mean a launch, 2011 PSU, you're talking about a PSU from an era with very different power rail design. Not nearly as different as, say, a 90s PSU to one today, but enough of a difference that it could be causing over current protection or something else to enable. If you still have it, you could also get a multimeter and test the rails to see if they're still in spec at idle.
@@metaleggman18 well- launch is probably exaggerated but thanks for the words of advice. I figured it was something like it was failing, but either way I got a new 1000w PSU, so I'll do the multimeter test later.
Ever heard of future proofing? Don’t wanna swap an entire PSU and cables (gotta use the cables that came with it… otherwise you may end up in a burned down house).
I go overkill with my power supplies that I’ve used in my builds mostly for future-proofing my rigs for upgrades in the future, but realistically the only setup that NEEDS a 1000w psu is a 4090 rig combined with a powerful cpu (13700/900k, high end am5 chipsets). Even something like a 7700x/4080 build only really needs a good 850w psu.
@@huskers1278 All modern power supplies are rated to go significantly over their wattage for periods of time to deal with those spikes. A & B tier (even some c tier) power supplies are definitely viable enough to handle acute power spikes like that. As long as it's not drawing 700w consistently, then all it needs is a quality 850w psu.
My rig would use according to a calc about 280w and I was asking people if 450w psu is enough and people would unironically tell me its not enough get a 550-750w psu lol
When you look up how much a gtx1070 can draw, the answer is 150w. I mined on some, and stock they wouldn't run past 130w. Tried them gaming maxxed out, still 130w. Then I undervolted them. I can run a 1070 at 100-110 watts with zero performance loss. I've got two in sli in my aging build, with an I7-6700k and still haven't needed to exceed a 650w power supply, without undervolting.
The only reason I would suggest a 550w PSU in your case is because you're more likely to find a PSU with fully modular cables and it will most likely be a higher end model. Unfortunately, despite many people really only needing a 450w PSU, PSU manufacturers can kind of cheap out on them. Many brands will just be using a slightly modified rebranded PSU, or just a straight rebrand, from a Chinese company, rather than an internal design. It can also just be an internal design that's old or somewhat anemic in terms of how the power rails are setup. We used to have really good PSU tier lists for this reason, but unfortunately most of those are outdated. But to literally running your rig? Oh God yeah, 450w is plenty. I run a 5900x and a 3090 and I maybe push 600w total in a big workload. For reference I'm running an 850w PSU.
Working in a repair shop, I always recommend going up to around 800 or 900 just so that way you have plenty of overheads should you decide to upgrade further in the future
@@PatientXero607 and it also depends on the customers needs. If they do more gaming/production/processing for example they'll need that extra power. If they're doing your more basic gaming. Yeah lower power all day. It's case by case but I generally deal with (soundclown rappers) who think they're producers 😂
@@meair Efficiency curve comes in the quality of the power supply. Selling someone a 850W CWT unit in their build is just plain laziness and profiteering at its finest.
@@1syyn1 the P400a only has space for two fans on top, so if you're looking for better airflow that's not the best choice 🙄 but it also depends on your budget and how you're gonna use it
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Hello! Is having high psu watts while your pc dont need much a problem like what if i have 700 watts psu and my pc only needs 400 watts is it a problem?
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I got the victus 15l with the 350 gold what gpu max can i do?
Actually it's smart move to sell new PSU to customer
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Honestly, the dude is right. So many people end up with stability issues due to mediocre power supplies, or are limited when it comes upgrade time. A higher wattage power supply will cover up the flaws of lower quality ones to a degree, I'd never recommend someone buy less than an 850w high quality or 1000w medium quality psu for any pc that's going to have a dedicated gpu.
Ironically, older rigs would be the ones needing the higher wattage
Yes because they consume more power
@@edan7813 apparently, the commenter in the video doesn’t have a clue what is he talking about.
my cousins rx 590 consumes more power than my rx 5700 LOL
Yes, older rigs are power hungry 💀
@@zhila5958less transient spikes tho, the avg power draw will be higher but you will still need the same wattage coz of those transients
@@zhila5958 that’s sad lol
"never go under 1000 watts" is bro tryna power the whole house 💀
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The only reasons I've got a 1200W PSU is that I've got it on a big sale, it's ATX 3.0 and it's a Seasonic. Probably the last or second to last PSU I'll buy before PCs use atomic batteries or something.
Maybe for 15th gen intel and rtx 5090 he tell us to buy own nuclear power plant 💀💀💀💀💀
Bro is trying to power the GPUs that come out in 2 generations.
@@Liminal.HeadspaceSame, I only have a 850W PSU because it already was in my PC I got used, in heavy games I am at about 350W (directly from the wall).
“This goober”💀💀 bro is lost
well i guess penguinz0 is lost too
Goofy goober
"Gen of PCs"... yeah, totally killed his point.
There were a couple of years with some real power hungry parts and a 1000 watt PSU was a good idea when you took the whole you want a bit of overhead for PSU degradation and "future proofing" and such but ya the efficiency of parts these days a 650 to 850 is all you really need.
Checked part picker and even running a 7900x3d, 7900xtx, an AIO cooler, and best paired parts to go with those; it only states 643 watts. Now on the other hand a 14900k, 4090, and all the equal parts as the first build it does say 823 watts, but that is also a $4k build vs a $2k system. So my point stands 650-850 watts (though i likely would go for the 1k watts for the $4k build for some head room.
Actually, I agree with the guy. The thing I kept running into as I've upgraded my pc over the years is that I keep needing a bigger power supply. So if I had just started with a 1k watt psu to begin with, I would have saved 100's of dollars. It doesn't draw any more electricity than what the rig needs, so you can't argue the electric bill either. You will thank me in 5+ years when you never have to buy another one. Unless it's visible and you need a specific color lol.
Overclocking and SLIs are making the Power Supply way up to 1500w. Nowadays, PC components are now power efficient.
He was definitely a 100% serious commenting that
Unless you're going for the latest and greatest hardware, plan on filling your case with all the RGB, and all fans you can plus AIOs 1000 watts is very likely overkill. ~650 is generally plenty for modern mid-tier builds, and in the future that will likely drop as manufacturers make current GPUs with more efficient models. If you're doing a build, just practice some due diligence and find out what your system will need. It's not a bad idea to go up a notch though. If you get the minimum required wattage, and run a heavy load a lot, that PSUs life will shorten.
To be honest you always want to go with a higher wattage than you need, it's going to add longevity to the power supply but at a certain point it becomes pointless. I've heard people going outrageous on the wattage so that the usage never heats up the power supply to turn on its fan so they have a perfectly silent power supply.
The PCPartpicker estimate is nice, but I would increase it by about 50% or even double it to be safe.
PCPartpicker shows average power draw. For example, it estimates a RTX 3090 at 350W, while has been shown that the RTX 3090 can draw >500W at peaks while under heavy load.
If PCPartpicker shows 490W and you buy a 500W PSU, the RTX 3090 alone might draw 560W for a very short spike. Assuming your CPU is under load at that time, you suddenly have a PC trying to pull >700W from a 500W PSU which is probably too much for it to handle and it shuts off.
PSUs are relatively cheap compared to other components. PSUs also perform best below their rating. Getting a high wattage and high quality PSU can protect your whole system. Sure, you won't need a 1000W PSU on a 400W System. But in most cases, especially when building a PC with new Mid- to High-End components from this year, going for 1000W isn't a bad idea.
Under no circumstance are you buying your PSU with only enough wattage to run just your GPU anyways, so this is a fallacy.
I died after he used the Halo Reach firefight voice for an overkill, it was just so unexpected
Zach is totally right. However, when in doubt, having your ceiling too high is better than having it too low. Budget is important, but if your TDP is over the PSU limit, you're gonna have a bad time. Also, the QUALITY and reptutation for the PSU, more than any other part, is very important too.
He's saying leave headroom for future upgrades.....he isn't wrong...😅
Almost all parts have power comsumption charts on toms hardware taking cpu and gpu consumption and then adding 100w for perf is how i find my rough total power consumption
I wanna build a pc so badly but the prices for power supplys are crazyy here in Australia
when he said "u need atleast a 1000 watt for a 13/12th intel cpus" i knew he was a goofball
as someone who has a 1300 wat power supply i can confirm it is completely overkill
Kinda wild. I have used my R5 3600 with a GTX 1080 Ti on a 600w PSU for over a year now and never had power problems.
Bro i have ryzen 7 and rtx 3070 on 600w 💀
@@georgefloyd1 bro how's ur power draw cause I wanna get a 3070 and have a 550w 80+ bronze power supply
My cpu is a 12400 tho so it doesn't draw that much and when I put my rig in pc part picker it said my power draw is gonna be like 441w
I have a 6950xt / 7800X3D on a 1000w that I bought 7 years ago because i future proofed the power supply and have never had to calculate anything because I know it’s enough. It’s just so easy!
I had a 7700k OC 4.6ghz, and rx 6700 10gb on a fatal1ty 550w psu, that was from a previous build and was perfectly fine
I definitly wouldn't go under 1000w anymore because of coile whine and transient spikes. When I was running an 850w I had noticible coil whine and random shutdowns with my 3080 switched to a diffrent 850w and had better results but still coil whine and occasional shutdowns. Upgraded to a 1200w psu and the coil whine gone and no shutdowns in months.
There’s peripherals too, and with 90% of them being RGB…
the pcpp wattage est is super lowballed, I'd suggest going double the recommended wattage for the PSU
What we have here is an example of what is known as “maximum cope”. The symptoms generally include defending your delusional purchases of little to no research, with incorrect information.
My 750 watt is getting strained. As much as I'd love to go get an 850, a 1000 would be ideal for any future projects I may have. This advice is solid for the average consumer... but I like to fidget with overclocking to an extreme, so I might legitimately need something at 1000 watts now.
unless you're going nitrogen cooling the latest cpus, combination of 4090 and the latest cpus will pull 800-850w max and that's absolute max synthetic stress test... no matter what game you play, you won't see more than 600-650w pulled by the pc
He's probably a "buys the highest tier one" kind of guy. If he's got a I9 13900K and a 4090 He's not wrong.
Like if you have a cheap PC and you’re just starting out on making it, you should get a powerful power supply if you’re looking to upgrade in the future basically
I got 750 watts with my 3060 ti and 5600x with only auto overclocking at most and it's working fine for me
My new PC will have a wattage of like 750W, I'm going with a 1200 PSU anyways. Partly because of the comfort, and also because that's literally the only white PSU I can find.
I recently gave my PC a major overhaul, upgrading from a Core I5 4th gen, 12 GB ram to a Ryzen 7 5700x, 16 GB ram. I kept my old PSU, GPU and Storage to save a few bucks for now, looking to upgrade later down the line though. My old 630w PSU was still plenty to power my rig (though the very dated colour scheme of the cables is a bit of an eyesore) I'll look around for a new PSU and GPU (recommendations are welcome, my current GPU is an MSI 1060 6GB, looking to stay with MSI)
Personally i suggest 250w over your recommended but that's just because that leaves you upgrade headroom
I have a 3090ti and an i7 13700f with some decent rgb, it was recommended to go 850, but I didn’t want to risk it and went 1k, I think that’s what he’s talking about with a “13th gen build”
I have a 5800x3D and an RTX 4090 and i use an 850W with no problems lol
He is probably talking overclockers which is good advice you don’t want to be at the top end of your psu power draw
Some people need to stop commenting they are embarrassing themselves 😭
ME rocking a 1300W PSU thinking : Huh cute !
I have a server with a 12700k with an HBA card with 16 drive bays all full with 10TB hard drives that even the PC parts picker says I need an 850 watt and that's not including the 6 120mm fans with the 2 80mm fans and yes for the people doing math thats 160tb
I got a 850w gold power supply. 13700k and a 6650xt, I'm good for either a 7900xtx or 4080. 4090 would be pushing it, but under volting on both cpu and gpu would make it perfectly okay
is 750w good for i5 13600kf and 6750xt
I have a 550W with a gtx 1660 super and a ryzen 7 5700g and it still runs fine
I have a 850w with my 7900xtx and 7800x3d and haven’t had a problem yet. 😭
Ok dude if the 660 is budget send me one.. send it to brazil bro... this shit goes for 5k here. Nuts
For Overclocking , he is right guys . but you all can sit there with ur expensive pcs and dont overclock , cause you really cant do it. thats the reason why you all only need max 850 watt. ^^
Tech is getting more efficient as time passes. Not less
I have a 530 Watt Thermaltake Hamburg, plenty for a 5600 and a 1080 Ti..
1000W could power my old system 3 times over
the theoretical power requirement for my 5900x and a 4080 with like 6 drives says it ll need 600-650w
sounds a bit high. I think a 700-750w good psu will be more then enough, even with overclocking.
@@themadnes5413 in theory its about right under full tilt the 5900x is around 80-100w at 5-5.1ghz and the 4080s ive seen basically draw 330w not sure how much power draw ram and drives pull cause im running 4x8 3600mhz
The only way that guy makes sense is if he's buying and overclocking the halo product every time he upgrades
Damn I was fast on this one.
Good for you I guess
@@bruh_2899 Thanks :) I have never been the first one to view a video.
I would personally go 1000w or higher so the fan never has to kick on unless it has to, but saying it’s required is ridiculous
"Looks at oc'd 5950x & oc'd 3070 that have never gone past 600watts on a 850w psu"
Actually due to the standards shifting in performance the 1000w is reflected by the change to power supply's standards
I mean i do (parts wattage+20%) because ill usually end up with a secondary, lower power gpu or cpu accelerator card in place.
I only got 1000 watts to ensure it would last 10+ years
I just upgraded to a great 850 as my final psu
I got a 1000W fir a 13700k and a 4090, still feel like 850 would have been fine
He's not really wrong. Going with 1000w would be my recommendation as well for anyone in the process of building a PC. That way you're future proofing yourself a bit since the new GPU's are very power hungry and also you can overclock all you want without worrying if you'll have enough juice for it.
To be fair it’s a system by system basis. For example I have a 1300W PSU, do I need it? No, I have a RTX 3070 and Ryzen 5 5600X. Reason I bought it? It was in sale for $160 from EVGA, 80+ Plat and runs silent in my build. My room isn’t just for gaming but audio mixing and silence is important to me.
I have old stuff liquid cooled and a 1000 watt power supply for overclocking
I double the GHz
Even high end pcs dont require 1000 watts of power. They only need 800. The only realistic scenario you would need 1k watt psu is a server rack
850w is kinda the sweetspot for 4090 builds. 750w doable if the CPU is AMD.
I rock a Ryzen 5900 and a RTX3080 with a 500W PSU. I know not the best combo.
The master of yapping tht guy
I have a 3060 and 11600K and they comfortably fit on my 600W psu
I mean, higher watt PSU are usually more efficient. You don't want to max out your PSU.
I would prefer to have a power supply which is overkill than killing my components due to the supply not being able to supply enough power
You're unlikely to kill your components without enough power, it just won't run or will turn off suddenly (which is a feature of a high quality PSU). In incredibly rare circumstances you might hurt something, but the most likely thing is a small amount of corruption to your data. What you can do is buy a crappy, underpowered PSU and _that_ can hurt your components when overloading it. If you're going over 850W to future proof, you're just wasting money, since there's a lot of good PSUs between 550-650w.
I bought an 850 watt 100€ PSU because I had bad experience with bad power supplies
Higher wattage psu runs more efficiently at lower watts than a lower wattage psu running at 100 percent all the time. It's always a good idea to go overboard on the psu. Same as with any piece of equipment. You don't want to be running at the limits all the time
it is way better to use like 60% of the capacity.... its more efficient this way and u can upgrade without having to change the PSU...
He does have a point. Recently 1000 Watt psus have become more common and significantly cheaper. Ive seen seasonic branded ones going for between 150 and 200€ here in germany. And you might not need 1000 Watts now but the psu is one of the longest lasting PC components and ive had mine for 3 builds now. Good ones also come with warrantys between 10 to 15 years. So investing the extra 100 or so €s now might safe you money in the future. Of course everybody knows best what they need.
damn I bought a new psu cuz I was scared 600w are not enought for a 4070 and a ryzen 9 5900x, but by adding all my components pc part picker says I'm around 415W D:
I bought a new PSU anyway, but damn, this surprised me a lot
Could you maybe explain why we can't buy a 1000W so that if we upgrade parts in the future, we wont have to upgrade the PSU if they require more wattage?
you cant trust them mirror pic users 😂
Yea I did go a little over the top with my latest build I ended up going with a 1200w platinum power supply for a 4070ti and 13900k I could of gone with a 850w-1000w instead and save a few.
even a 700w would be enough
I love to recomend peoples get a powersuply from a good and well known company , and somewhere around 750-850 W on the first buil, even if is quite expensive and they are trying to make a cheapper build , because that powersuply could be used even up to 10 years without any problems or needs for improvments , the powersuply and the RAM (even the storrage) are the things that you will keep using after 5 years most of the times.
750watt for mine 3080 and 5800x working fine
Having a higher than necessary psu with an 80+ gold certification will result in a longer psu life span.
Even a 4070ti and a Ryzen 7 5700x doesn't take over a 1000w 😂
Dude a 13600k and a 6800xt only needs 650w, certification is waaaaaaaaaaaay more important. You will see your non 80+ 1000w burn your entire house. How is that for a regular upgrade 😂😂😂😂
with the most power hungry cpu and 4090 and beyond "power drain" ( they eat a lot of power). cooling system, pumps or aio (high end) and 4-6 hard drives for illegal actives, you may need 1000w. when 4090 high end first came out they overwhelmed 600-800w PSU's (bronze and silver rated) so i can't say that comment is wrong, mainly because there video's of you tube PC techs running into system problems due to lack of power.
I about to install rx 6700xt and i5 12400 with 550w. Pray for me guy 💀💀
easy
I have a 1200w psu I just put into my new 7000d case but I'm planning to do some insane shit with this pc in time once I get the money to slowly keep upgrading this thing
I went kinda overkill with my Powee Supply lol, I got a 1000w but I also have a 4080 FE and a Ryzen 9 7900x with an AIO and some more crap. I tried to future proof my computer 🫠
Dude probably lives in Antarctica, and needs heating.
People who act like they know what they’re talking about like this… confuse me
what do you mean
@@learningchannel3850 He’s talking abt the comment mentioned in the short
Literally
Lookup what digital voltage is only evga supernova and superflower at 1000w has it for a reasonable price and you absolutely need digital voltage to get the absolute best overclocks if you have shitty power a UPS to prevent bad house power from browning out also is huge. Plus intel gpus will work with vulkan multigpu thru valve proton very soon its already being added to the linux kernel as we speak get better psu and buy two 350$ gpus thank me later also vega 64 crossfire is absolutely a steal right now each card is 150$ and works with the nimez driver to restore crossfire in esports games like csgo fortnite rocket league and many others
well lets say you have 10 2 tb ssds hooked up with a overclocked intel core i9, a overclocked 4090 10 rgb fans, the biggest ddr5 cards possible and asus rog maximus Z690 you would go for a 1200 to 1400 psu (mainly because of all the shit thats connected and if your 4090 and I9 start to spike its gonna be fun) and only for safety because if there were no spikes I doubt you would need 1000w for the system
I’ve been going 5+ years strong with my 450w cheap psu which I’ve swapped in a nocturnal fan. Couldn’t be happier
Me too but our pcs are just babies compared to some behemoths
@@agnosticmanquestionsall2409 Had a friend buy a cheap PSU, it malfunctioned and killed his whole system 2 years in.
Not the part you wanna skimp on quality wise.
Nictua fan costs more than a better PSU. Wasted money.
@@Gerniaz I bought a decent PSU but its not high power. I agree with you to not cheap out on PSU, but I wouldnt cheap out on anything really except maybe the case ?!
@@agnosticmanquestionsall2409 The case isn't that important. When I built my first PC with a 3400G and 16gb of ram I used the case from a PC found in the trash, it was missing panels, had missing motherboard stand offs and rust spots. I had no issues with it besides the eyesore it was to look at it.
One should check the efficiency curve for their Power Supply to ensure that it is wasting as less power as possible at the estimated power draw of the PC and save on the electricity bill
They're zoomer youtubers, they don't have the brain power to understand what you said.
That used to be true but is mostly negligible in modern PSUs
The efficiency gradings are faked anyway. The difference between a Gold and Platinum rated PSU could just be a lucky batch.
@@dazeen9591 could just be marketing, but I like having titanium ratings. Tends to be higher quality.
@@xtremefps_ efficiency has nothing to do with quality though. But yeah it's safe to assume titanium would he higher quality. I just don't really find titanium power supplies to be cost efficient.
Titanium is something that you would only ever buy for PSUs that are close to 2000W, and in such cases they can easily cost $400-600.
It will take a really long time for the PSU to pay itself back unless you're running it 24/7.
For normal gaming and productivity work, titanium is sort of not worth it.
Watt was he talking about
BA DUM TSSSSS
i see what you did there
This is voltstrating to see this
Okay lol
Went with an 850 for my build as a way to “future proof” it. Im not the kind of person to constantly upgrade but when I do I want my parts to be good enough for them
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850w is basically the max most people need to future proof, yeah. I'm running a 5900x and a 3090 and even under high loads I never get past 500-600w (I bought an 850w on my old rig knowing I'd upgrade from my 3600 and 2060). The only reason people suggested big power supplies was mainly for 3090/ti and their transient power spikes, which from what I understand was found to only really be an issue with certain cards, with certain revisions, and certain VBIOS.
? Shouldn't the future be more power efficient?
@@tobubiify perhaps. Even still it could take more power and I wont have to worry about it
@@tobubiify yes it is , but it would depend if the card is running at its efficiency range or pushed beyond that to hit a certain performance level like the 4090 which can hit 400w but is generally in the low 300 range , and modern cards would draw less power than older ones when adjusted for the same level of performance ( for example 4070ti and 3090 or the 3070 and 2080ti )
You could run a 13900k 4090 combo with a 850W psu but for overclocking, that 1000W would give you more headroom
The 30 series had massive power spikes that could kill lower quality PSU's, idk about the 40 series. That is one of the reasons you want a lot of headroom.
A PSU is also the part of your PC that lasts the longest (some of mine are 10+ years old at this point), and if dies badly can kill the rest of your system.
The PSU is the part you should put more cash into.
I've got a feeling this is more what the commenter was referring to, not just entry level.
@@Gerniaz pretty sure that psus don't last longer than cpus
@@heavygaming6596 Depends what you mean by lasting longer. A CPU will functionally operate for longer than a PSU, but will be obsolete for gaming much faster. A high quality PSU from 8 years ago can power a modern high end gaming rig today without issues. Any CPU from 8 years ago would bottleneck performance in that system.
@@heavygaming6596 The internal paste can dry out making the thermals untenable after 7+ years. This is for a server I had set up.
Usually change my CPUs way before the PSU.
Whats the comparing website?
pc part picker
Bro literally said how os it called, and It's not a comparing website, it's a website for picking parts for a pc
i usually go for cooler master site but there's a few sites to calculate.
@@xandrexgaming he's just asking my guy don't be so rude
@@xandrexgaming bro it is part comparison website. Stop being rude
Always buy a power supply that is more than you need. That unit will come with you as you upgrade over time to new hardware
Well, not necessarily. Most people change the whole PC after several years, where partial upgrade doesn't make much sense anymore, and you can run into compatibility issues.
If you know you're changing bits here and there every year and you're enthusiast? Sure, make total sense.
No no NO.
If you're planning on upgrading soon, yes and only if you know your upgrades will draw more power. In fact, parts are getting more and more efficient, it's not crazy to say that upgrades in the future would draw the same or even less power. Most people building gaming rigs are using parts long term so "futureproofing" your PSU (if it will last that long in the first place) is a waste of money, both in cost of the PSU and in electricity bill.
@@NKOWZeroRenegade Absolutely correct, although I do have quite an old 1300W PSU that's become current again... if only I could now afford a 4090
future psu will getting better in efficiency, just dont too invest psu too much, it might not deliver same performance overtime...not many people has that capability to upgrade every gen anyway
This is why I bought a 650W Seasonic for 100$ instead of cheaping out. I dont have to get a new PSU in years. Its already been running for 3 years no issues already.
I’m running an i9-9900k and 3080 ti with a 650 psu and I have no problems 💀
We have a very similar build but I have a 3090 that loves to eat 350w and the 9900k oc at 4.8ghz under high load low key eats up a lot too
For now...
9940x and 3090 Fe and 850w was not enough so I dropped a 1200 in the mix and now I'm not running the nuts off my PSU.
Just make sure you give yourself some overhead on PC part picker, just Incase :) for example 221W I'd say get a 400-500W PSU for your peripherals and also some wiggle room in the future. Not needed just a recommendation 😊
Better to use seasoning wattage calculator
@@phamton919 ajinomoto calculator
@@phamton919 you mean SeaSonic?
@@agbag8185 Yes I meant Seasonic, i had already responded to the previous comment of Patlot but for some reason it didnt post .-.
EDIT: Whats your favorite seasoning calculator? :)
@@phamton919 Yeah, IMO garlick is like rgb: less is more
Those are some wild numbers. You would only want to go that high if you’re paranoid of extreme fluctuations from the 30 series of graphics cards, demonstrated by GamersNexus and even then it would still be overkill to go past like 850W.
Have a launch date GS800 that still works great, problem is when I plugged it in with a Ryzen 5500 and B550-A pro with a 3070, the LEDs went red. I... didn't have a good feeling about that one.
@@Not_interestEd- that sounds less of a power issue and more of the power rails, or a failing PSU. If you really mean a launch, 2011 PSU, you're talking about a PSU from an era with very different power rail design. Not nearly as different as, say, a 90s PSU to one today, but enough of a difference that it could be causing over current protection or something else to enable. If you still have it, you could also get a multimeter and test the rails to see if they're still in spec at idle.
@@metaleggman18 well- launch is probably exaggerated but thanks for the words of advice. I figured it was something like it was failing, but either way I got a new 1000w PSU, so I'll do the multimeter test later.
Ever heard of future proofing? Don’t wanna swap an entire PSU and cables (gotta use the cables that came with it… otherwise you may end up in a burned down house).
@@VeniVidiAjax true, different psu could have different pinout orientation, even within the same brands.
I have been using 1200w since way back in the day. I like to keep my 2600k drunk on power.
my 5600g is living the life, has access to 1000w whenever it wants, with ample cooling and a 500 mhz overclock. gonna get my hands on a 5800x3d though
thats.. not how it works. Components draw power from the PSU, energy isnt delivered by the PSU to the CPU.
I go overkill with my power supplies that I’ve used in my builds mostly for future-proofing my rigs for upgrades in the future, but realistically the only setup that NEEDS a 1000w psu is a 4090 rig combined with a powerful cpu (13700/900k, high end am5 chipsets). Even something like a 7700x/4080 build only really needs a good 850w psu.
Well I use the 7900xtx and have a 13900k the xtx pulls 460 constant with transient spikes over 700. It definitely should have 1k psu
@@huskers1278 All modern power supplies are rated to go significantly over their wattage for periods of time to deal with those spikes. A & B tier (even some c tier) power supplies are definitely viable enough to handle acute power spikes like that. As long as it's not drawing 700w consistently, then all it needs is a quality 850w psu.
My rig would use according to a calc about 280w and I was asking people if 450w psu is enough and people would unironically tell me its not enough get a 550-750w psu lol
They probably assume that you're gonna upgrade to a 3090 or above GPUs where in reality most of us only upgrade to a 3060 or 3070 Or lower
When you look up how much a gtx1070 can draw, the answer is 150w. I mined on some, and stock they wouldn't run past 130w. Tried them gaming maxxed out, still 130w. Then I undervolted them. I can run a 1070 at 100-110 watts with zero performance loss. I've got two in sli in my aging build, with an I7-6700k and still haven't needed to exceed a 650w power supply, without undervolting.
The only reason I would suggest a 550w PSU in your case is because you're more likely to find a PSU with fully modular cables and it will most likely be a higher end model. Unfortunately, despite many people really only needing a 450w PSU, PSU manufacturers can kind of cheap out on them. Many brands will just be using a slightly modified rebranded PSU, or just a straight rebrand, from a Chinese company, rather than an internal design. It can also just be an internal design that's old or somewhat anemic in terms of how the power rails are setup. We used to have really good PSU tier lists for this reason, but unfortunately most of those are outdated.
But to literally running your rig? Oh God yeah, 450w is plenty. I run a 5900x and a 3090 and I maybe push 600w total in a big workload. For reference I'm running an 850w PSU.
Honestly I'd still just run a 650w. They're pretty cheap.
@@SonnoMaku haha maybe in the US not in EU
Working in a repair shop, I always recommend going up to around 800 or 900 just so that way you have plenty of overheads should you decide to upgrade further in the future
Not very necessary nowadays as 750w is probably the highest you’ll need for a sub 1.2k pc
That's called 'upselling'. That right there would make me avoid you like the plague.
@@PatientXero607 it’s called an efficiency curve, if you don’t use the high watts you don’t lose, you save
@@PatientXero607 and it also depends on the customers needs. If they do more gaming/production/processing for example they'll need that extra power. If they're doing your more basic gaming. Yeah lower power all day. It's case by case but I generally deal with (soundclown rappers) who think they're producers 😂
@@meair Efficiency curve comes in the quality of the power supply. Selling someone a 850W CWT unit in their build is just plain laziness and profiteering at its finest.
Some case options for the larger 40 series cards?
Corsair 4000d airflow
Next h7
Maybe even h5, which is a bit smaller...just Google the case model followed by "max GPU length" to check what's the bigger card you can use with it
Mostly any you have in mind, just make sure they are airflow focused like the p400a for instance, the options these people mentioned are dog water
@@1syyn1 the P400a only has space for two fans on top, so if you're looking for better airflow that's not the best choice 🙄 but it also depends on your budget and how you're gonna use it