Might have been tempted to buy this for $150. But for $210 it’s just too much. I’ll probably kitbash the teams I want like you said. I also like Phobos in general but it’s a shame they didn’t let you add eliminators and a Phobos Librarian.
Very excited for the terrain in this box. looks fun to play with, definitely needs a few things here and there but all and all, very excited. Especially if you're wearing your battle brothers t-shirt!!
I own the box, and I like the box. That said, the Phobos team has terrible rules. GW had a chance to finally make an Astartes team competitive, and they didn't. I still like the models, and I'm excited about the Blooded and their aggressive play style-which I'm convinced will be fun, if not particularly competitive at the highest levels of play.
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Florida Killteam Players Assemble!!!... New box looks awesome imo, terrain is at amazing value, traitor guard look sick, and finally a bespoke marine kill team.
New to your channel! You’re in Florida? Heck yeah! Represent! We need more gamers in the state! I’m in Orlando. Best of luck in your move and well said about family being first. Hobby is important but it can wait. Cheers!
Dude! Join this discord! I’ll be in Orlando playing some KT on the 26th, you should come if you can. Details are in this discord server discord.gg/aPayW8eMpP
This week the box should arrive to my home. Love the kill teams on it (total Chaos fan). It's very good that you try to start a standing community in Florida as it is the right way to play this game, meet new people, etc. I'm from a small city in Chile, Valdivia, and we have a very nice community playing every sunday since last months of the past edition. Hope you can grow a healthy KT community and can play often.
I really like the Phobos look and think they fit into this game really well, thematically anyway. I think Primaris AS A WHOLE is a bit of a problem, but that's beside the point. I got inspired to make them White Scars and do some kitbashing with the AoS aetherwings and added a flying bird to my Reiver Sargent and the falconer's glove to my infiltrator Sargent and got some 3rd party bits and have been loving painting them. And I already had the BSF Traitors, and a custom traitor to make 8 for my Night Lords chaos team and havent even gotten around to building the other 3 marines to play legionaires as well. tl;dr I'm loving this box. I agree with the terrain comments, but I do really love the sniper tower limited vantage point piece.
i have all my hobby stuff right here and i barely have time because i'm with you on the priorities! besides, you're probably like me where if you know you have stuff to take care of for your family you can't enjoy hobbying anyway because you dont wanna blow that important stuff off! it'll calm down. keep on keeping on!!
Traitor guard would be cool as a template for a loyalist feudal guard team. Just swap "blooded" tokens for "honored" and you're good. Plus, platemail ogryn.
I didn't get Moroch because I'm just going to wait and either Ebay the traitor guard, or buy them when they release it separately. Nothing against the Marines or Terrain, just the marines weren't something I really cared about. And with the terrain I don't need more, there's other stuff I'd rather spend my time and money on.
I’m honestly considering selling off the terrain. I just don’t have space for anymore terrain 😂 Yeah you’re right, this box is hard to recommend unless you love everything in here. If you want all of it, it’s sort of a good deal for the terrain especially if you can get it at a 20% discount or something.
Only box my KT group has passed on because splitting the content was a difficult one, no one wanted marines really.... But love the rant on the guard ideas and easy to use GSC which was a nice point!
First off, thx for video and good luck with moving stuff, it can be taxing. As for Moroch, I am not getting this box, for two reasons: 1 - I have Phobos team already. Magnetized 6 Reiver bodies (heads/arms/backpacks), got extra heads and hands, so I can build any combination of Infiltrators/Incursors/Reivers/Phobos I need. 2 - I strongly dislike traitor guard team. For me it totally missed the spot - instead of getting cool Cultists with some crazy rituals, we got another guard team. If I want to play it, I am going to use their rules for GSC models (Aberrant as ogryn for start, Biophagus as corpseman, Metamorph as enforcer, Rock-saw Accolyte as butcher..). The only thing I'd have to make, is to give one of my shotgun neophytes a shield.. but then again, it was the same for me with previous box. Kitbashed Legionary CSM, didn't care about eldars.
Magnetizing your models always saves you in the long run! I’m in the opposite boat, Phobos doesn’t really do it for me but the traitor guard team is super cool! Yeah I agree, I think this box is an easy skip. Super easy to bash up each team. Thanks for the comment! I love your GSC conversion idea!
I got the box. LGS does 25% off, so that helps. Why did I get it? Well probably mostly for the traitor guard. But I only own 7 Space Marine models, the six assault intersessors from the recruit starter and one ancient model that came with a White Dwarf decades ago. So they needed pals to field a team for the company softball league.
got the phobos team, they look cool and have yet to play them, but its a shame they didnt get the option to use eliminators as snipers. they would fit the stealthy theme very well.
Dab boy ha. Been waiting for reiver rules and phobos but totally agree on buying it for the units. Had a tournament spec ops play without this rule upgrade and its been okay (75% win rate) but for sure these Tac ploys are going to help more against like orks. Agree 1000% on the kitbashing. Awesome
Welcome back! I got the new box but I still need to assemble it. I don't think it's as good as Octarius or Nachmund, but I think I like it about as much as Chalnath.
I agree! I think Chalnath was probably a better box, but I didn’t really care for either teams. The traitor guard is what saves this box for me. These models are incredible
I had just picked up some traitor guard from Blackstone Fortress off EBay a couple weeks before Moroch was announced just because I dug the idea of Chaos guardsmen. Was gonna paint them up and run them as cultists for a compendium chaos marine team. Figured it would make for some cool narrative play. But now there's a whole set of rules? and some kick ass new models? Excellent. Still cant decide if I want the whole box. $225 after tax is a big ask for a team I want, some terrain I guess I might like? and probably my least favorite marine models. Even with some of the cool Phobos mechanics, there's just something missing that makes them a hard sell for me. I think this is a "wait for the separate team specific boxes" moment.
The teams are nice, but the terrain is what sold me on it. This terrain may not be ideal but, besides the hab bunker, it's nothing like anything else I own.
this is gonna sound a Lil dumb but personally, I just wanna get all the boxes. I'm making them into like kits so that when we wanna play specific missions or use specific terrain i can pull out all I need for that.pers onally id only be getting the moroch box spefically for the traitor guard cause i think their really cool and the reason stated above
To get one new team + 1 sprue for second is not ok at these prices. If you want both teams it is off course good though. Each team will be available seperatly later so if I only want one team, yes not teh Phobos, I can just wait and buy teh ones I want. That is nice.
Laziest box launch from GW to end year 1 of KT21 unfortunately. Would've been nice for them to wrap up the road map with a bang considering how great VG vs Kommandos was to kick it all off. Phobos just didn't get enough to really elevate a marine team, and Blooded looks cool but in the end they're STILL mostly recycled models.
Yeah I agree with you, this box is easily the most skipable box so far. It’s really hard to recommend it unless you really want everything including the terrain. Phobos are so boring it’s honestly frustrating, but I’m really digging the traitor guard side. Don’t think they’ll play spectacularly, but I’m looking forward to getting them on the table.
I'm proxing many teams from my genestealer cultists - some miners, some guards, abominant/aberant as ogryn hivemind focus instead of gaze of gods, some mutations for mele ones and it will be fine :)
All i want from the box is the book to continue my collection and rules, like you i have more than enough models to run both teams (not that i am that interested in Phobos). And especially as it is $350 here in OZ.
Good luck with the move. We switched houses in November, so I feel your pain about putting hobby on back burner. Decided to skip this box since terrain does nothing for me and I can kit bash both teams. Just trying to decide if it's worth getting a physical copy of the rule book off of Ebay.
I agree that these teams are very easy to proxy or kitbash. The terrain was honestly the biggest draw for me. It’s a new set & while some of it may not be optimal for KT (looking at you landing pad) I’ve got enough of the Ryza pattern ruins to make a nice, dense killzone. They should’ve included a set of tokens for the blooded team - not everyone used to play M:tG, so they may not have tokens lying around to represent blooded/virtual blooded/gaze of the gods tokens.
When you factor in the terrain, the box is a decent deal especially if your lgs gives a discount. I agree about tokens for sure. Little stuff like that would go a long way
Weird question, but do you know what brand shirts and sweaters they use for your merch? Would love to pick one up but am particular with how shirts fit
Getting the box from my FLGS. Want the terrain for 40K. Comparing the prices for the terrain sold separately its like getting the Phobos and Traitor Guard for free. Alternately, the bundle deal makes the cost of the terrain less ridiculous.
Got some barret wearing heads from Victoria miniatures and some helmet less ones to separate the scions from the guard and some printed cloaks weapons and even Cowboy hats for the Snipers
Honestly, I would have bought this box outright if I hadn't already started my kitbashing and idea for KT. I wanted to build a Phobos Alpha Legion CSM Compendium team, with Traitor Guard kits for my Cultists. after having bought most of what I need through the Blackstone Fortress kits and buying an infiltrators box, I was plugging away when this KT got announced. it's got potential, but I wont be buying it xP
The terrain isn't terrible, but without extra LoS blocking walls and the like, it hits hot garbage levels for me. The price isn't worth it to me for a starter box that doesn't have starter quality starter terrain.
And I got Moroch, as you see from the Disco I've already built the Traitor Guard. I'm looking forward to getting them in front of an opponent eventually. They look like they'll be a challenge to play.
F for hobby separation condolences. With that out of the way, Moroch was a pass for me; my Pile of Shame is large enough to be a dependent on my taxes, and the Phobos and terrain were a turn-off (the terrain looks great when given proper attention, but I don’t want to give that much attention to terrain). The Traitor Guard Blooded team, however, I might grab those guys when they come out separately.
Might have been tempted to buy this for $150. But for $210 it’s just too much. I’ll probably kitbash the teams I want like you said. I also like Phobos in general but it’s a shame they didn’t let you add eliminators and a Phobos Librarian.
Agree with everything here 100%
Phobos armor is what got me to like primaris. Running infiltrators with their 5+ lethal on their bolters is really nice
Very consistent for sure!
I think the terrain is great, if you have lots of small little things to fill it up with, I like the idea of large platforms.
I underestimated just how chonky the terrain is. I think it will be just fine with some smaller additions like you mentioned!
You know what terrain would be better? That’s right, EoB terrain!!
@@gerardogutierrez6693 plug plug plug!
Very excited for the terrain in this box. looks fun to play with, definitely needs a few things here and there but all and all, very excited. Especially if you're wearing your battle brothers t-shirt!!
I've got the box. A couple of nice little teams and some distinctly different terrain, what's not to like?
I’m really impressed with the Traitor Guard models. Loving them
The cost is the only thing keeping me from saying it's an auto buy.
I own the box, and I like the box. That said, the Phobos team has terrible rules. GW had a chance to finally make an Astartes team competitive, and they didn't. I still like the models, and I'm excited about the Blooded and their aggressive play style-which I'm convinced will be fun, if not particularly competitive at the highest levels of play.
I was looking for the finevote but only found the up and down. Which would you recommend for a connoisseur of votes?
I would recommend that you like the video and then dislike it to immediately cancel it out. In review, one like and immediate dislike equal one finevote. Thank you for coming to my tedtalk
Florida Killteam Players Assemble!!!... New box looks awesome imo, terrain is at amazing value, traitor guard look sick, and finally a bespoke marine kill team.
all good things!
New to your channel! You’re in Florida? Heck yeah! Represent! We need more gamers in the state! I’m in Orlando. Best of luck in your move and well said about family being first. Hobby is important but it can wait. Cheers!
Dude! Join this discord! I’ll be in Orlando playing some KT on the 26th, you should come if you can. Details are in this discord server
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This week the box should arrive to my home. Love the kill teams on it (total Chaos fan). It's very good that you try to start a standing community in Florida as it is the right way to play this game, meet new people, etc. I'm from a small city in Chile, Valdivia, and we have a very nice community playing every sunday since last months of the past edition. Hope you can grow a healthy KT community and can play often.
Congrats on the move!
Can't wait to see the new background 😂
A new messy desk! 😂
"I'm completely separated... from my hobby materials" whew you really took me on a roller coaster of emotions there
the pain!
I feel you man! I moved house too, and have boxes of hobby stuff whimpering for release. My Moroch arrives next week 🥳
The pain! Yeahhhh, it's a cool box
Welcome back! Hope you doing good in the new place.
Thanks, Bas!
Damn. You didn't call out my club in Korea that is exploding. Darn, many of my players love this channel and it would have hyped them so much.
You’ll have to teach me the correct pronunciation 😁
I really like the Phobos look and think they fit into this game really well, thematically anyway. I think Primaris AS A WHOLE is a bit of a problem, but that's beside the point. I got inspired to make them White Scars and do some kitbashing with the AoS aetherwings and added a flying bird to my Reiver Sargent and the falconer's glove to my infiltrator Sargent and got some 3rd party bits and have been loving painting them. And I already had the BSF Traitors, and a custom traitor to make 8 for my Night Lords chaos team and havent even gotten around to building the other 3 marines to play legionaires as well. tl;dr I'm loving this box. I agree with the terrain comments, but I do really love the sniper tower limited vantage point piece.
i have all my hobby stuff right here and i barely have time because i'm with you on the priorities! besides, you're probably like me where if you know you have stuff to take care of for your family you can't enjoy hobbying anyway because you dont wanna blow that important stuff off! it'll calm down. keep on keeping on!!
Yes! I'm totally the same way. That dad guilt, man 😂 Thanks brother, very cool of you
I'll be getting the blooded box when it comes out for sure. Still waiting on a mixed primaris team to finally get those models
Traitor guard would be cool as a template for a loyalist feudal guard team. Just swap "blooded" tokens for "honored" and you're good. Plus, platemail ogryn.
I’m super loving moroch! Can’t wait to kitbash the traitor guard into tzeentch guard! Missed your sexy face, god speed on the move 😝
Oh man, can’t wait to see that! What will you be bashing them with?
Thanks, brother!
Going with the Kairic Acolytes among other stuff. Your welcome always love ya vids 👍
I didn't get Moroch because I'm just going to wait and either Ebay the traitor guard, or buy them when they release it separately. Nothing against the Marines or Terrain, just the marines weren't something I really cared about. And with the terrain I don't need more, there's other stuff I'd rather spend my time and money on.
I’m honestly considering selling off the terrain. I just don’t have space for anymore terrain 😂
Yeah you’re right, this box is hard to recommend unless you love everything in here. If you want all of it, it’s sort of a good deal for the terrain especially if you can get it at a 20% discount or something.
Only box my KT group has passed on because splitting the content was a difficult one, no one wanted marines really....
But love the rant on the guard ideas and easy to use GSC which was a nice point!
Mine should be here this week, pretty stoked on the teams. Moreso new missions and hobbying to do. Hope things cool down for you bro. Glad youre well
I’m building my traitor guard rn, and I’m so impressed. Haven’t even looked at the missions yet 😅
Nice bit of rug there! Moroch arrived this afternoon, looking forward to getting things built. Hoping to podcast about it for narrative.
Yeahhhh! Is rug chest hair? 😂
@@battlebrotherstabletop yep. Sexy killteam! Hope I’ve not offended you.
@@citizendisco I'm embracing my inner Bee Gee 😂
@@battlebrotherstabletop I perhaps need to follow their advice for my team ‘staying alive’ a bit more.
I liked this video, it's fine. It was a fine video. This video...was fine. And you know? That's fine. Super fine. .. ... ... fine, fine, fine.
I think that’s the kindest thing you’ve ever said to me
I just bought a handful of used Phobos off eBay for less than $30 and bammie-wham, Kill Team.
This is the way ☝️
First off, thx for video and good luck with moving stuff, it can be taxing.
As for Moroch, I am not getting this box, for two reasons:
1 - I have Phobos team already. Magnetized 6 Reiver bodies (heads/arms/backpacks), got extra heads and hands, so I can build any combination of Infiltrators/Incursors/Reivers/Phobos I need.
2 - I strongly dislike traitor guard team. For me it totally missed the spot - instead of getting cool Cultists with some crazy rituals, we got another guard team. If I want to play it, I am going to use their rules for GSC models (Aberrant as ogryn for start, Biophagus as corpseman, Metamorph as enforcer, Rock-saw Accolyte as butcher..). The only thing I'd have to make, is to give one of my shotgun neophytes a shield..
but then again, it was the same for me with previous box. Kitbashed Legionary CSM, didn't care about eldars.
Magnetizing your models always saves you in the long run!
I’m in the opposite boat, Phobos doesn’t really do it for me but the traitor guard team is super cool! Yeah I agree, I think this box is an easy skip. Super easy to bash up each team.
Thanks for the comment! I love your GSC conversion idea!
I got the box. LGS does 25% off, so that helps. Why did I get it? Well probably mostly for the traitor guard. But I only own 7 Space Marine models, the six assault intersessors from the recruit starter and one ancient model that came with a White Dwarf decades ago. So they needed pals to field a team for the company softball league.
Just getting the book, I have enough models already. Planning on bashing and printing what I need to make my teams.
This is the way
got the phobos team, they look cool and have yet to play them, but its a shame they didnt get the option to use eliminators as snipers. they would fit the stealthy theme very well.
totally agree
The Blooded look sweet. I love the Blackstone Fortress Traiter Guardsmen. I will pick them up separately.
The new sculpts are really impressive!
Dab boy ha. Been waiting for reiver rules and phobos but totally agree on buying it for the units. Had a tournament spec ops play without this rule upgrade and its been okay (75% win rate) but for sure these Tac ploys are going to help more against like orks.
Agree 1000% on the kitbashing. Awesome
I really wish they would have given the Reivers some better rules, but it is what it is. Oh nice! I think the Phobos rules are pretty solid!
Welcome back! I got the new box but I still need to assemble it. I don't think it's as good as Octarius or Nachmund, but I think I like it about as much as Chalnath.
I agree! I think Chalnath was probably a better box, but I didn’t really care for either teams. The traitor guard is what saves this box for me. These models are incredible
I am interested to see if I can find these street corner Kill Team games. Sound rough, but street rules are the best rules!
Lose a model? Get shanked. We play for blood!
For the TRUE might of the ruinious powers, The Hereticus Militarum. The most common antagonist in lore but nowhere to be seen for the tabletop
I had just picked up some traitor guard from Blackstone Fortress off EBay a couple weeks before Moroch was announced just because I dug the idea of Chaos guardsmen. Was gonna paint them up and run them as cultists for a compendium chaos marine team. Figured it would make for some cool narrative play. But now there's a whole set of rules? and some kick ass new models? Excellent.
Still cant decide if I want the whole box. $225 after tax is a big ask for a team I want, some terrain I guess I might like? and probably my least favorite marine models. Even with some of the cool Phobos mechanics, there's just something missing that makes them a hard sell for me. I think this is a "wait for the separate team specific boxes" moment.
I totally agree. This box is hard to recommend unless you love everything in here. Then it’s a pretty decent deal I guess once you account for terrain
The teams are nice, but the terrain is what sold me on it. This terrain may not be ideal but, besides the hab bunker, it's nothing like anything else I own.
I really like the design and am looking forward to playing with it. The box is actually a good deal if you want the terrain
this is gonna sound a Lil dumb but personally, I just wanna get all the boxes. I'm making them into like kits so that when we wanna play specific missions or use specific terrain i can pull out all I need for that.pers onally id only be getting the moroch box spefically for the traitor guard cause i think their really cool and the reason stated above
Thanks for another review
Thanks for another nice comment🙏
I just got my box today in Australia and set me back $300
To get one new team + 1 sprue for second is not ok at these prices. If you want both teams it is off course good though. Each team will be available seperatly later so if I only want one team, yes not teh Phobos, I can just wait and buy teh ones I want. That is nice.
Laziest box launch from GW to end year 1 of KT21 unfortunately. Would've been nice for them to wrap up the road map with a bang considering how great VG vs Kommandos was to kick it all off. Phobos just didn't get enough to really elevate a marine team, and Blooded looks cool but in the end they're STILL mostly recycled models.
Yeah I agree with you, this box is easily the most skipable box so far. It’s really hard to recommend it unless you really want everything including the terrain. Phobos are so boring it’s honestly frustrating, but I’m really digging the traitor guard side. Don’t think they’ll play spectacularly, but I’m looking forward to getting them on the table.
I'm proxing many teams from my genestealer cultists - some miners, some guards, abominant/aberant as ogryn hivemind focus instead of gaze of gods, some mutations for mele ones and it will be fine :)
I really love the Aberant as Orgyn idea and I may have to convert up a few models so I can run my Wyrmblade as Blooded 😂
All i want from the box is the book to continue my collection and rules, like you i have more than enough models to run both teams (not that i am that interested in Phobos). And especially as it is $350 here in OZ.
Oof, 350 is nuts!
Good luck with the move. We switched houses in November, so I feel your pain about putting hobby on back burner. Decided to skip this box since terrain does nothing for me and I can kit bash both teams. Just trying to decide if it's worth getting a physical copy of the rule book off of Ebay.
Wahapedia to the rescue 😂 yeah I totally agree with you. An easy pass for most people!
phobos bois FTW
Bois bois bois!
I agree that these teams are very easy to proxy or kitbash. The terrain was honestly the biggest draw for me. It’s a new set & while some of it may not be optimal for KT (looking at you landing pad) I’ve got enough of the Ryza pattern ruins to make a nice, dense killzone. They should’ve included a set of tokens for the blooded team - not everyone used to play M:tG, so they may not have tokens lying around to represent blooded/virtual blooded/gaze of the gods tokens.
When you factor in the terrain, the box is a decent deal especially if your lgs gives a discount. I agree about tokens for sure. Little stuff like that would go a long way
Phobos Kit Bash challenge when?
SOON 🤘
Are there more/ different rules for Assault Intercessors?
Weird question, but do you know what brand shirts and sweaters they use for your merch? Would love to pick one up but am particular with how shirts fit
I don't know, but I'll find out for you!
@@battlebrotherstabletop Awesome! Much appreciated!
I feel like the phobos marines are super fitting, but just not fun to buy.
Getting the box from my FLGS. Want the terrain for 40K.
Comparing the prices for the terrain sold separately its like getting the Phobos and Traitor Guard for free.
Alternately, the bundle deal makes the cost of the terrain less ridiculous.
Yeah if you want the terrain, the box is actually a pretty good deal!
I have an Escher guard team lolol
Super dope!
Got some barret wearing heads from Victoria miniatures and some helmet less ones to separate the scions from the guard and some printed cloaks weapons and even Cowboy hats for the Snipers
@@undeadmusky Would love to see them when their done!
Honestly, I would have bought this box outright if I hadn't already started my kitbashing and idea for KT. I wanted to build a Phobos Alpha Legion CSM Compendium team, with Traitor Guard kits for my Cultists. after having bought most of what I need through the Blackstone Fortress kits and buying an infiltrators box, I was plugging away when this KT got announced.
it's got potential, but I wont be buying it xP
Yeah this box is difficult to recommend unless you love everything in there. Your Alpha legion Phobos idea sounds awesome!
The terrain isn't terrible, but without extra LoS blocking walls and the like, it hits hot garbage levels for me. The price isn't worth it to me for a starter box that doesn't have starter quality starter terrain.
I live in Orlando, Fl 👍 I’m down for kill team let me know man
Yeahhhh, have you joined the discord???
Has the salt washed away?
And I got Moroch, as you see from the Disco I've already built the Traitor Guard. I'm looking forward to getting them in front of an opponent eventually. They look like they'll be a challenge to play.
The salt is still there, but the Blooded KT are enough to balance it out lol. Absolutely love the models, can’t wait to get some games in with them
Damn dude, I recently moved out of Florida.
Lame.
Noooo, F in the chat ✊
Where Sam?
F for hobby separation condolences. With that out of the way, Moroch was a pass for me; my Pile of Shame is large enough to be a dependent on my taxes, and the Phobos and terrain were a turn-off (the terrain looks great when given proper attention, but I don’t want to give that much attention to terrain). The Traitor Guard Blooded team, however, I might grab those guys when they come out separately.
Yeah, this box is hard to recommend unless you want everything in it. Oof, yeah I have a giant pile of shame too 🤯
I got confused as to what was just cool, and what’s super cool. It’s just too much.
Join the club 😅
Phobophobia is rampant in this community.
the fear of being afraid? how so?
@@battlebrotherstabletop dammit! You caught me in a typo! UNSUBBED!
@@robertjameson1959 I was genuinely curious! 😅
And I'm not like current one.
F