"the nba isn't like it used to be"

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  • Опубликовано: 19 дек 2024

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  • @twistedladder3506
    @twistedladder3506 14 дней назад +82

    its the gambling, 3 pointers, and refs.

    • @JusAObserver
      @JusAObserver 14 дней назад +7

      The gambling wouldn't be so bad if they were doing their promotions themselves but the NBA throws it in your face in game, during commercial breaks and during NBA shows. It's suffocating. Couple that with player's seeming to turn it on whenever and whatever it makes you question their integrity in regards to betting.

    • @TinMyManDude
      @TinMyManDude 13 дней назад +1

      Gambling and refs really did ruin major sports

  • @imhong28
    @imhong28 14 дней назад +33

    1). Reason no.1: The league as a whole + media does a horrendous job promoting the younger superstars over Lebron. It is actually very detrimental to the league that all they talk about are 99% about Lebron and the Lakers.
    2). Reason no.2: Each NBA team needs to have a unique identity like eg. In the 80s Lakers were a running team, the Pistons focused more on physicality + their defense and the Celtics were more of a halfcourt team but have balanced scoring + good defensive team as well. Now all modern teams all have the same formula for success that is hoisting threes.

    • @lucaslonchampt613
      @lucaslonchampt613 14 дней назад +3

      Reason 3, the media has conditioned the fans to say the regular season doesn't matter. It's only what you do in the Finals that count. So why would a casual pay attention to regular season matches if you are told it doesn't mean anything?

    • @jahimuddin2306
      @jahimuddin2306 13 дней назад

      I absolutely agree. With reason two, I also believe that team’s are best when their identity matches that of the city. Like with LA having flashy teams like their celebrity culture; the Pistons having grinding on defense and being physical like our negative stereotypes.

  • @DSPHistoricalSociety
    @DSPHistoricalSociety 14 дней назад +71

    Wait... so us fans made the current NBA worse by noticing how bad it got?

    • @KB8Killa
      @KB8Killa 14 дней назад +23

      Blame the consumer has become mainstream thought

    • @lucklessflight
      @lucklessflight 14 дней назад +6

      consumer is always right became if dont like it don buy it.

    • @DSPHistoricalSociety
      @DSPHistoricalSociety 14 дней назад +2

      @@KB8Killa it sure has

    •  14 дней назад +7

      I don’t think the nba is bad at all and that is the point of the video

    • @DSPHistoricalSociety
      @DSPHistoricalSociety 14 дней назад +5

      Sure... we just disagree

  • @simonvstheworld99
    @simonvstheworld99 14 дней назад +31

    The Sports betting shit is the main thing that gets me, like this free throw brought to you by fandual come on now frick off, we’ve reached the point of dystopian future sports movies where everything is sponsored. There’s even ads on the top of back boards now

    • @compencemusic
      @compencemusic 14 дней назад +4

      It has to be so debilitating for recovering gambling addicts. It's like alcohol ads to recovering alcoholics, it just makes the game harder to watch/participate in when the thing you're trying to stay away from is being shoved in your face every 5 minutes

  • @ntrong32
    @ntrong32 14 дней назад +23

    No comment on current versus old ball, but KFC used to be fire. Actually had 7 herbs and spice.

  • @cotati76
    @cotati76 14 дней назад +14

    The players today openly despise the fans. They load manage and try to play as few games as possible, don’t put any effort into the defensive side of the court, and the constant three point contest with most of them being uncontested, and their inability to get offensive rebounds. Those are just some of the reasons the product has gone downhill and the numbers prove it. Thr NFL has all the streaming nonsense as well and we pay for it because the product is worth it. Their numbers aren’t in the toilet. Nobody is subscribing to anything to watch guys end up not playing. It’s clear as day.

    • @ibrahim-sj2cr
      @ibrahim-sj2cr 14 дней назад

      the league will sort itself out... players who "load manage" will become less valuable and get paid less. A lazy Embiid is worth next to nothing. Maybe teams might not sign long term contracts or the content of the contracts might be different to make the players do what they are paid to do.

    • @KAye633
      @KAye633 14 дней назад +3

      I would despise yall too, yall are weird and hate everything.

    • @lemonscentedgames3641
      @lemonscentedgames3641 14 дней назад +1

      ​@@KAye633Yep theres the hater word. Valid criticisms arent hate. Its fine that ur 14 and are still ok with being spoonfed slop​

    • @chomosuke0720
      @chomosuke0720 13 дней назад +1

      ​@@KAye633 lose the fans, lose the money. boohoo

  • @brockvinson1712
    @brockvinson1712 14 дней назад +6

    L take statics prove how much it has changed specially with the three pointer shots bro spent 7 and a half minutes gas lighting me into thinking im the problem like im not gonna finish this video if it is satire I ain’t gonna find out

  • @SK-qs1zd
    @SK-qs1zd 14 дней назад +4

    Yeah, watching a three point contest is not entertaining. Neither is watching teams just quit, or not care about the regular season like players have repeatedly said. Why would the fans watch something the players themselves say don't matter? Load management is an issue, too; especially when thinking about going to a live game. Commentary is annoying and too non-basketball related and same with players crying about how little their earn which is tone deaf to the fans. Narratives are too extreme and one week a player can be top 5 and then two weeks later saying they should retire, Stephen A. Sports betting has taken over the commercials and discussions. Generally it's getting dramatic and people tone in for an escape from life not to listen about it. Players treating fans like garbage too.

  • @S1ngleP1ayerr
    @S1ngleP1ayerr 14 дней назад +4

    I gotta agree with your take Let’s be real NBA fans spend 90% of their time trying to discredit somebody. Only sport with asterisks championships only sport where if certain players play we don’t watch. Fans are mad that players are making money former players are mad that they’re making money. Best way to enjoy is to watch the games find a good youtuber for news and breakdowns and then stay out the comment section. I bet even if they let them play a little more physical on defense mfs still would complain. Personally I Don’t mind the 3s because i watch full games and guys take a healthy amount of shots all over the floor especially if watch the suns king’s thunder. But let’s be real the hoop culture is mostly just hating disguised as keeping it real

    • @KAye633
      @KAye633 14 дней назад

      One of the few keeping it real

    • @samhotze1904
      @samhotze1904 13 дней назад

      Finally someone making sense, to me the main thing is it’s so hard for people to watch the full games legally and people form their opinions on small highlight clips or just statsheet reading. Plus the 5+ YEAR debate always on TV about the GOAT

  • @ibrahim-sj2cr
    @ibrahim-sj2cr 14 дней назад +6

    only this week saw two super clutch games right down to the wire, two really thrilling games mavs vs grizzlies and denver vs warriors

    • @PatkaBoy831
      @PatkaBoy831 14 дней назад +1

      Houston vs. Oklahoma was good too.

  • @JetEngine85
    @JetEngine85 14 дней назад +4

    A week ago Celtics and timberwolves combined for 97 three pointers in one game.. three pointers are exciting too but 97 in 1 game?

  • @qrcodmacke9864
    @qrcodmacke9864 14 дней назад +3

    It is lame since defense can't impact scoring if we can call that defense at all beside load management etc

  • @lucklessflight
    @lucklessflight 14 дней назад +8

    its not the nba. general work ethic is lacking in this era. everybody is complacent.

  • @koss41
    @koss41 14 дней назад +7

    This is kinda why I stopped following the NBA. I still catch some games here and there, but the fans are extremely toxic.

    • @KAye633
      @KAye633 14 дней назад +1

      Exactly, the fans ruined it.

  • @Caleb-zz8sg
    @Caleb-zz8sg 14 дней назад +6

    If you compare side by side, it’s really not worse. It just became a trend to shit on the game, and personally if you don’t like it don’t watch. Anti fans who watch shit just to hate is corny.

    • @Caleb-zz8sg
      @Caleb-zz8sg 14 дней назад +1

      Number 2, if you don’t like the nba you are not a fan. If you watch something you don’t like just to hate on it you are stupid.

    • @lemonscentedgames3641
      @lemonscentedgames3641 14 дней назад

      Id argue that you dont understand what criticizing something means at all. Might need to go back to elementary school on that one

  • @ROY57ON
    @ROY57ON 14 дней назад +3

    "The nba isn't like it used to be" - bitter, retired player podcasts and sports journalists that don't have time to watch the games anymore.

    • @KAye633
      @KAye633 14 дней назад

      Bingo

    • @lemonscentedgames3641
      @lemonscentedgames3641 14 дней назад +2

      Id argue the opposite. Most modern fans just watch highlights, look for statlines, and then rush to call people who criticize the actual games "haters" and "casuals" drives real fans away

  • @SkylineR33mt
    @SkylineR33mt 14 дней назад +7

    Stopped mid stroke for this banger

    • @jbizz80
      @jbizz80 14 дней назад +1

      🤣🤣🤣

  • @AbdullahSediqi23
    @AbdullahSediqi23 14 дней назад +2

    The game just caters to gamblers and not actual fans of the game

  • @S1ngleP1ayerr
    @S1ngleP1ayerr 14 дней назад +1

    and another note on your last point people are miserable let’s be real times are hard and in hard times you usually think about the good which happens to be the romanticized. Some things from the past are good thou don’t get me wrong but people just don’t like change

  • @compencemusic
    @compencemusic 14 дней назад

    I would love to hear you talk about the cavs tomorrow, or about the best looking rookies, or really anything else positive. I prefer to balance the good with the bad, but I understand the hustle

  • @tjanderson5892
    @tjanderson5892 14 дней назад

    The sense that negativity is what drives the NBA conversation is really just a result of the last CBA that led to the beginning of the modern player empowerment era. Seeing great players signing extensions and then demanding trades while still expecting the loyalty and praise that true franchise players get is naturally irritating even if ppl don't 100% realize it.
    When players started being their own GMs and putting together their own teams only for em to fail 9 outta 10x then the community is justified in getting some giggles outta it. And when ya have Podcast P and Melo lil Pod demonstrating on a schedule how delusional the players still are it's hard to argue that fans are wrong for focusing on the negative

  • @linsithebe7080
    @linsithebe7080 14 дней назад

    I miss David Stern every day a player is sitting out, due to management

  • @Silverado-pq6xe
    @Silverado-pq6xe 14 дней назад +1

    gambling makes it 10x worse

  • @shin0012
    @shin0012 14 дней назад +2

    L take. basically being slapped in the face with all these betting sites ads. stars sitting out a bit too much when healthy.. i watch two teams chuck threes and one of em teams dont have any business chucking em when they building houses. watch another game its basically the same. defense nerfed so much. all star weekend a waste of time except the 3 point contest

  • @azrielnguyen9586
    @azrielnguyen9586 14 дней назад +8

    Seems you get excited for the most mundane type of plays. Sorry watched since the 90's, I have way higher expectations of basketball and a far different version of "good basketball" as you put it.

    • @KAye633
      @KAye633 14 дней назад

      😂😂😂😂😂

  • @do3807
    @do3807 14 дней назад

    They should have a proper, prestigious ceremony and rollout for the finals. The finals and chips feel like... Idk, numbers and stats. Most other sports, these championships feel like these super important cultural Tokens of greatness. Nowadays it's just: Hey maybe they win, but if not aight, better luck next time. Even the media. It's like the championship is only important or valid some years, if a certain team wins. Idk just feels hollow

  • @smooth-handle
    @smooth-handle 13 дней назад

    No major draw.
    80s - magic / bird
    90s - jordan
    2000s - kobe / shaq / lebron
    2010s - lebron / curry
    I think kd in 2016 inadvertently may have stopped all the momentum nba had going..

  • @Tiz-Miz
    @Tiz-Miz 14 дней назад

    I think you actually do a great job in lifting the positives of this sport. Yes, you do cover controversies and downfalls, but you also do great historical cataloging for newer fans with things like your recent DLo tribute

  • @ewgrosslmao
    @ewgrosslmao 14 дней назад +2

    Growing up my dad had a really really bad gambling addiction, and he somewhat got a grip on it but now it's always in his face and itsnruined sports for him. No one cares about ethics or doing the right thing because people are lazy and want to do the absolute minimum to get big.

  • @Poorboyjono
    @Poorboyjono 14 дней назад +1

    The main reasons why i think its declining.
    No defence, good basketball is good plays on both ends of the court.
    Too many timeouts. The last two minutes of a game goes for another 30mins in real time.
    Flopping and way too many reviews of stupid plays. Techs like you mentioned already, makes it boring with no drama or biff. Stops the momentum of the game.
    The general public can’t relate to the players anymore. They are all entitled. Its like good characters in films viewers and fans can relate. None of the players are interesting enough to really like.

  • @antoinehenderson1659
    @antoinehenderson1659 14 дней назад

    I'm relatively new to watching the NBA. I've been enjoying this season a lot. I also like the NBA Cup. The league isn't perfect, but it is enjoyable and fun to watch it.

  • @NightRogue77
    @NightRogue77 14 дней назад

    9:55 maybe stop thinking and talking about it and viewing it like a product. It’s not a product - it’s human beings engaged in sport.

  • @mightquinnable
    @mightquinnable Час назад

    There are no reason to watch the league
    no player rivalries
    everyone plays the same
    stars are aging
    stars are unlikable and don't play
    league is extra soft

  • @Steviegie
    @Steviegie 13 дней назад

    You know, many people are casuals. Me included. I just watch nba for some fancy plays and stars.
    But i see embid, or any players load managing. Refs sucks. 3 pointer is so boring. Gambling.

  • @williamscarcia7903
    @williamscarcia7903 14 дней назад

    Yo make a video about how athletic the Thompson twins are and how fucking cool they are. I'll watch it 10x

  • @nana-yaw8117
    @nana-yaw8117 14 дней назад

    i love your videos mr tooforone, but I personally disagree. the defense, especially this season, has been pretty good and I really like the in-season tournament. but for me the main issue is i think there is a lack of offensive variety and creativity that does make games less fun to watch. I have been watching a lot of throwback games to try and identify why and in what ways the NBA feels different (and worse).
    1. the fact that coaches and teams are SO heavily encouraging players to take threes genuinely makes for a less enjoyable watching experience. this is because it stifles the different playing styles that we used to see. the top 10 scorers in 2011, for example, all had very distinctly different ways of scoring, and it felt as if you were getting something different watching different games. now, the game is so optimised that no matter wat team you watch (especially the mid teams) its the same thing. some variation of pick and roll, DHO, or perimeter isolation on a mismatch, then draw two to the ball, kick out to shooters. when you are seeing pretty much the same thing on most possessions, it does become repetitive and wearing.
    the warriors are a perfect example of this. despite being the team that started the 3 point revolution to the extent that it is today, they are one of the most fun teams to watch on offense. they run extremely creative and interesting sets, prioritise scoring from all levels and try to get players in rhythm and play to their strengths within the offense. the offensive creativity and feeling of surprise when they run a great play, as well as their swarming activity on defense is so refreshing and fun to watch.
    the homogeneity issue also extends to positions. everyone is pretty much a guard, just different sizes. this also compounds the repetitive feeling. why tf is victor shooting 8 threes a game at 7'5. he needs guard like skills to be great yes, but apart from catching lobs, offensively I don't really see him do much else other than play like a guard.
    2. it feels as if now, the three is being valued more than a layup which is its own shift. like from the start of the pace and space era (2020) to about 2020 it felt as if although the value of the three pointer was steadily increasing, the layup was still king - getting to the rim and making a close shot, for every player on the floor, was what was most important. but in the last 2 years especially, it feels like EVERY POSSESSION teams settle for a jumpshot for some reason. and you cant shoot the midrange, so it just ends up that a majority of shots ends up being a three. it feels like even in isolation, the three is preferred above the easiest shot in basketball and it makes a big different to the viewing experience. instead of putting pressure on the rim and "creating" a shot there, it feels like teams are just playing percentages and waiting for a shot to go in. and i do mean this for all teams, except like the rockets. the possesions changing from prioitising generating rim shots vs prioitising generating thress makes it feel like players are being restricted into a formula, rather than displaying their offensive creativity in the different ways they score.
    anthony edwards was one of my favourite players last year, but his shot diet now is just not as much fun to watch as the craft and skill he has getting to the rim and making layups. its not only reserved to him - bam adebayo, jimmy butler, shai, lebron, brandon ingram, donovan mitchell etc. All excellent at the rim, but because they have adjusted their shot diet, not only are many of them playing worse, but they simply arent as much fun to watch forcing up shots that the math says its good to take, rather than being the dynamic interesting players that we know they are. players being robots all doing the same thing isn't fun to watch.
    imma use the warriors as an example again. on any given play, it feels as if the ideal is a layup, and they play off of that with their cutting and movement. the three is the counter, not the goal (or at the very least, that's how it feels). that's why it feels like good basketball and it isn't super boring when someone shoots a three - it was well-generated and is a good shot. this is very different to a lot of threes taken in the NBA today, which just feel like shots taken "because threes > two" rather than because that three specifically is valuable. not all threes (and shots) are created equally
    3. personally, i hate the new scoreboard designs and graphics. they are somehow too flashy and distracting and yet also incredibly boring and generic. they are simply bad and feel soulless. looking back at any graphics pre-2017 (especially the gorgeous 2016 finals graphics) they made each game feel like a special event and that is lost now.
    4. i personally don't have that much of an issue with load management as other people, but at the same time, i watch games to see my favourite players, and if i know they're out i simply wont watch. i wont get upset about it because these players playing as much as they do, at the level they do is incredible, but I'm also not gonna be interested in the game anyways.
    5. finally, we are also in a transition period where the young stars arent as established and it does feel like there is a hodge-podge of new faces that we don't know as well and therefore don't care about as much. these younger players not in their primes are simply not as good as they will be yet and therefore arent as enjoyable as like 2018 lebron or 2016 steph or 2019 kawhi. we need to be patient and give them time to grow into themselves and the league
    i waffled a lot but those are some of my thoughts that i tried to flesh out more than "threes are bad" and "players are entitled". with that being said I still really really enjoy the modern product and have fun watching the games. I just also agree that the product is slightly worse and has issues that it didn't before.

  • @dman8662
    @dman8662 14 дней назад

    I would even say that the stage of capitalism we are in is a main cause. The nba is a bussiness and all it cares about is money. They dont care about actual fans cause they are getting tons of cash from sports betting companies and other outside advertising.

  • @tired783
    @tired783 14 дней назад +1

    There’s no game plan anymore. It’s scatter ball till there’s an open 3. Or ISO then shoot a 3. You got 1 guy shooting or making as many 3’s as an entire team shooting them back then lol.

  • @A.N.N.E.X
    @A.N.N.E.X 14 дней назад

    The only reason I watch is because I have a gambling addiction 😂

  • @MannymeansWell
    @MannymeansWell 14 дней назад

    Streisand effect?

  • @KAye633
    @KAye633 14 дней назад

    The comments prove KD point 😂, no self awareness in these comments at all.

  • @KingNate345
    @KingNate345 14 дней назад

    pls watch jokic play and make a vid. bro is on a tear this season

  • @Steviegie
    @Steviegie 13 дней назад

    And i dont wanna be that guy. But if lebron retires, there's gonna be a slight hit on the viewership 😂

  • @Betelgeuse2142
    @Betelgeuse2142 14 дней назад

    0:30 that's whole ass strawman dawg

  • @jordanl8733
    @jordanl8733 14 дней назад

    I think it’s just bad

  • @PatkaBoy831
    @PatkaBoy831 14 дней назад

    I agree and disagree.. thumbs up from me tho.

  • @Quasi600
    @Quasi600 14 дней назад

    Bro the nba is bad. That’s been my opinion for almost a decade now. I’m not following any trend I honestly think the game is just not that interesting anymore.

    • @KAye633
      @KAye633 14 дней назад +1

      Ok 😂

    • @Quasi600
      @Quasi600 14 дней назад

      @@KAye633yessir

  • @gouldingsteve
    @gouldingsteve 14 дней назад +4

    Buddy- you demonstrated exactly why the NBA definitely 'isn't like it used to be'. Even if you don't realize it. From the absurd and constant travels and flopping, to the notion that an athlete somehow needs an incentive (beyond tens of millions a year) just to show up 80% of the time. The players have no competitive spirit, no connection to the fanbase and consider the individual above the team. I'd say the reason why 20 points isn't enough anymore is entirely due to the new NBA playing zero defense. The average fan doesn't have a 'narrative' they are simply dissatisfied with the product on offer. Anybody who has been fortunate enough to watch NBA basketball for more than 25 or 30 years has a hard time watching today's game. That, I can tell you. Doesn't mean that it's all bad, or that there aren't greats on the court right now- just that their motivations, character and competitiveness are not as compelling, and it shows. Just one old heads opinion.

  • @brucewayne2735
    @brucewayne2735 14 дней назад

    Its just goofy

  • @jamaalsjourney
    @jamaalsjourney 14 дней назад

    Face reveal?

  • @Donnyyyyyyyyyyyy5127
    @Donnyyyyyyyyyyyy5127 13 дней назад

    Good sheit

  • @KB8Killa
    @KB8Killa 14 дней назад

    Dog doo doo take lol

  • @metro-sn
    @metro-sn 14 дней назад +2

    2:53 you are not Black. You have no business using the N word. Unsubscribed

    • @do3807
      @do3807 14 дней назад

      Yeah that was it for me too, that's some poppycock, flimflam, spongledangz, bollocks, tomfoolery 🚮

    • @Strafork
      @Strafork 13 дней назад +2

      Lol how you know he not black

  • @chaseharrigan2278
    @chaseharrigan2278 13 дней назад

    So your point is all the fans are wrong lol if nobody is watching cause they don't like it that's kind of it,you sound like politics "all of you are wrong for how you feel shame on you

  • @detectivemarkseven
    @detectivemarkseven 14 дней назад

    NBA superstars are upset they are held to higher standard

  • @ibrahim-sj2cr
    @ibrahim-sj2cr 14 дней назад +3

    nba is ok... people moaning for little reason

    • @KB8Killa
      @KB8Killa 14 дней назад +6

      Why are you settling for ok? These guys get paid too much for 'ok'

    • @ibrahim-sj2cr
      @ibrahim-sj2cr 14 дней назад +3

      @@KB8Killa i know they get paid tens of millions each year to physically exert themselves and they cant do that but only a small handful of players are guilty of this. The games are still extremely entertaining i think this issue is made to be much larger than it actually is

    • @KAye633
      @KAye633 14 дней назад

      Exactly

  • @MrDwightsimon
    @MrDwightsimon 14 дней назад

    The second they put black lives losers on the court is the second I stopped watching 😂

    • @KAye633
      @KAye633 14 дней назад

      Because your probably racist honestly

    • @MrT571
      @MrT571 13 дней назад

      You weren't needed anyway. You still aren't.

    • @MrDwightsimon
      @MrDwightsimon 13 дней назад

      @MrT571 Black lives losers is a scam and you fell for it 🤣