I remember someone playing this at a recital. I was blown away that day. It was like when I was 7. I never looked it up until now. I'm glad I found it again.
I do not understand how he does those glissandi so perfectly, it's incredible. In the the other recordings I've heard, the pianists are about 5 times slower
Actually, "Diabolic suggestion" is just an approximate English translation of the Russian name of this peace - "Наваждение", because there is no direct translation. I think "Наваждение" would be closer translated as "delusion" or "obsession". Maybe "evil suggestion", as "Наваждение" denotes a certain connection to superstitious belief in evil forces But it has more pagan tone to it, rather than christian, so I'm not sure if "diabolic" is quite right here. "Wicked suggestion" maybe?
Totally agree. The same goes for ""Visions fugitives" which, as a translation, has almost nothing to do with the flying and mysterious characters of "Мимолётности".
@@paeffill9428 have you ever listened liszt's S.700ii paganini variations? Contemporary composers may have a new understanding of tonality and technique but thats doesnt mean they have the most virtuosic pieces.
Charming little piece :) Prokofiev is one of my favourite composers. I'm surprised that smithsherman hasn't yet criticised his "technicaly foul and interpretationaly immature" performance (or something like it..) ;P
Emile Palmieri-Adant Il me semble que vous pourriez me comprendre en français, (je suis du Québec). Quand j'étais ado ma mère avait acheté un piano et bien qu'elle prenait des leçons, nous voulions entendre le piano, son plein potentiel musical et nous avions invité pour une soirée un de mes amis qui pratiquait 2 heures par jour depuis sa tendre enfance et un ami (qui avait 15 ans à l'époque) d'un de mes oncles . Mon ami pratiquait Prokofiev à ce moment-là et avait joué "Suggestion Diabolique" et avait fait ce commentaire-là au sujet des 2 seules touches non utilisées mais je n'ai pas pris la feuille de musique pour vérifier. L'ami de mon oncle (en fait il l'avait connu car il menait la chorale dans laquelle lui et son fils (mon cousin) chantait) jouait du classique mais lors de cette soirée il jouait et chantait des chansons populaires et il a continué à le faire, et aujourd'hui il gagne bien sa vie avec son talent. Il est connu au Québec, tu peux rechercher "Grégory Charles" pour voir ce qu'il fait. Il aime beaucoup le classique mais le populaire est beaucoup plus payant (Et, à l'époque, il était aussi bon dans l'un que dans l'autre, il gagnait des concours dans le classique en pratiquant beaucoup moins que les autres).
C'est une chouette anecdote, moi même ne vivant qu'en écoutant du Prokofiev, j'ai écouté écouté et réécouté cette Suggestion Diabolique. C'est vraiment une oeuvre magnifique. Cela ne me surprend pas vraiment en fait vu que j'ai essayé de le jouer une fois (je ne suis arrivé très très loin, ni le l'ai jamais bien joué). Il y a énormément de chromatiques, ça c'est clair. Merci d'avoir pris le temps de répondre, moi je suis né au Québec mais je vis en Belgique donc au passage petit clin d'oeil à vous autres ;)
Prokofiev was a talented pianist and that's why he was able to play his genius compositions and it's interesting if we think about the tempo. They way the composer performed it is not too fast. I think he was right!
artie: Prokofiev is mainly stressing the strong beats (the first and the third), because he wrote accents there...but he sure loved jazz, that's true. In Ravel's music there is much more jazz-influence (violin sonata). A perfect example of jazzy syncopations you find in Schumann's Toccata...
Well in the case of prokofiev, there is not really jazz influence, since he made jazz like harmonies before jazz even existed. The fourth movement of his second piano concerto from 1912 has some intresting harmonies that would be classified as jazz nowadays but it is before jazz.
I read once that Schubert found it hard to get through his 'Wanderer' Fantasy - a more recent, and better example would be Tippett, who I believe (I'm open to correction here) was no kind of instrumentalist, and, very aware that some of his piano writing was impractical, was happy that pianists make some adjustments.
Well, I've written for violin, cello, and flute, and I can't play for any of those instruments. :) And yes I can see that it's a while back, it just came to my mind.
Beside clicking this link to hear the master musician play his own piece, the pianOracle just had to scroll down to see whether or not there would ACTUALLY be comments about whether or not some interpreters played this piece "closer to what Prokofiev had truly intended" as opposed to Prokofiev playing it himself, as though Prokofiev were just an interpreter of his own piece instead of the composer himself. Lo & behold! The pianOracle found what he was looking for...... -_-
artie: Thanks. I hate it when people are so close-minded to other opinions (like azerty was) whether it's in music, art, literature, politics, and so on. Some people just love the idea that they're superior to another person.
@@miguelgutierrez5692 No, technically he did play 50 notes. Just because some of them are different octaves doesn't mean that a note wasn't played. Smh trying to correct people.
I can´t agree with you. Richter was one of Prokofiev´s favorites pianists. Besides Prokofiev dedicated works to him, lije te 9th sonate. Richter lecture of this work is quite different, ok, but is wonderful! I invite you to visit my profile and listen an other excellent performance of this masterwork, by Antonietta Rudge (1885-1974), I posted it . I hope you enjoy it.
@Shostakovichforever Il appartient de retoucher deux cornes au portrait de Prokofiev, ha-ha! Mais habituellement je parle russe. Tu es juste, on doit publier ses commentaires en anglais. C'est pourquoi j'écris la description du video en anglais, français, russe --- afin que tu et beau monde français pourraient me comprendre.
suzette: I know, I'm just saying it would be odd if a composer couldn't. I realize that MANY composers were also known as fine pianists in their times.
@nairigrigorian Exacto, pero no del todo cierto, Rachmaninov no le era tan fiel así mismo. Escucha sus grabaciones con partitura en amno y te darás cuenta de que no. Prokofiev tocaba exactamente como lo había escrito, eso es indiscutible.
Well, the title is translated from the Russian, so be careful about reading too much into it. Наваждение is more like a possession, or the feeling that something evil has passed through you. It's more obsessive and delusional than suggestive.
Occasionally, there might be something not quite right in Prokofiev's playing (for instance, in one of the Tales of the Old Grandmother, he plays a quintuplet as two regular notes followed by a triplet), but generally, Prokofiev was a good performer of his own works. Nonetheless, he did not possess the technique and musical education of Rachmaninoff who was by far the superior performer and could play the works of others like the true master executant that he was.
Ravel was terrible player and couldn't play have his music, and the afore mentioned Balakirev could not play his whole Islamey. Schumann hurt his hands in a crazy finger extension machine of his (the guy was mad) and so his wife played all his music.
I remember someone playing this at a recital. I was blown away that day. It was like when I was 7. I never looked it up until now. I'm glad I found it again.
Lucky. I'll try to find a Prokofiev concert
That was great. This is a good instance of composer doing best version.
solosteven37 Aha!
Classic! He really was an extraordinary pianist, on top of being a brilliant and interesting composer. Prokofiev forever!
Don't forget he played chess!
Brilliant! I especially love 1:17
I wish somebody could compile all of the 'Prokofiev Plays Prokofiev' pieces and upload them somewhere.
1:17
they have!
I do not understand how he does those glissandi so perfectly, it's incredible. In the the other recordings I've heard, the pianists are about 5 times slower
This is why its the best version of this piece for me
Those keys must be light as hell, also I don't think I've ever heard a better glissando better than Prokofiev's, ever!
check out traums version
I am sure Sergei Prokofiev is proud listening to Andrei Gavrilov's version, geniuously performed!
Actually, "Diabolic suggestion" is just an approximate English translation of the Russian name of this peace - "Наваждение", because there is no direct translation. I think "Наваждение" would be closer translated as "delusion" or "obsession". Maybe "evil suggestion", as "Наваждение" denotes a certain connection to superstitious belief in evil forces But it has more pagan tone to it, rather than christian, so I'm not sure if "diabolic" is quite right here. "Wicked suggestion" maybe?
Totally agree. The same goes for ""Visions fugitives" which, as a translation, has almost nothing to do with the flying and mysterious characters of "Мимолётности".
Maybe diabolic,constant nightmare?
Да ты хоть по русски научись говорить, а потом уже всякую пиши фигню!!!
Fascinating! :-)
Prokofiev himself wrote the title in French as Suggestion diabolique, but I agree, it’s still approximative translation.
Maestro! Truly a favorite composer and now to hear him play, a favorite pianist!
It is interesting that the composer marked the end of the score 'smorz.', but he played it like a forte
Tiszt It's possible that the smorz was not Prokofiev but instead a publisher's addition.
DragonReborn98 anyway smorz. doesn’t mean piano.
Smorz. means to slow down quite a lot
The News Is Here No, smorz means to fade out like niente
Mr. Prokofiev, what a most beautiful performance, thank You!..John Rapp
Sounds just the way Prokofiev himself would play it!
That’s because he’s playing it…
@@DynastieArtistique That's the joke...
the sudden drop in dynamic at about 2:04 always makes me all giddy:D
The most amazing thing about this piece is that Prokofiev wrote it when he was just 17.
He was a great pianist. He used to be called the Russian Liszt.
srothbardt woah there idk if we should go that far
@Qafar Quluzade wtf
@Schoenberg is my daddy hello again
@Schoenberg is my daddy how are you everywhere
@@paeffill9428 have you ever listened liszt's S.700ii paganini variations? Contemporary composers may have a new understanding of tonality and technique but thats doesnt mean they have the most virtuosic pieces.
Loved this =) Someone played it during a music lesson awards ceremony me and my bro went to...it was AMAZING
Wow, hear those glissandos!!!
Charming little piece :) Prokofiev is one of my favourite composers. I'm surprised that smithsherman hasn't yet criticised his "technicaly foul and interpretationaly immature" performance (or something like it..) ;P
Only 2 keys are not use on the piano...
Really?
Emile Palmieri-Adant Il me semble que vous pourriez me comprendre en français, (je suis du Québec). Quand j'étais ado ma mère avait acheté un piano et bien qu'elle prenait des leçons, nous voulions entendre le piano, son plein potentiel musical et nous avions invité pour une soirée un de mes amis qui pratiquait 2 heures par jour depuis sa tendre enfance et un ami (qui avait 15 ans à l'époque) d'un de mes oncles . Mon ami pratiquait Prokofiev à ce moment-là et avait joué "Suggestion Diabolique" et avait fait ce commentaire-là au sujet des 2 seules touches non utilisées mais je n'ai pas pris la feuille de musique pour vérifier. L'ami de mon oncle (en fait il l'avait connu car il menait la chorale dans laquelle lui et son fils (mon cousin) chantait) jouait du classique mais lors de cette soirée il jouait et chantait des chansons populaires et il a continué à le faire, et aujourd'hui il gagne bien sa vie avec son talent. Il est connu au Québec, tu peux rechercher "Grégory Charles" pour voir ce qu'il fait. Il aime beaucoup le classique mais le populaire est beaucoup plus payant (Et, à l'époque, il était aussi bon dans l'un que dans l'autre, il gagnait des concours dans le classique en pratiquant beaucoup moins que les autres).
C'est une chouette anecdote, moi même ne vivant qu'en écoutant du Prokofiev, j'ai écouté écouté et réécouté cette Suggestion Diabolique. C'est vraiment une oeuvre magnifique. Cela ne me surprend pas vraiment en fait vu que j'ai essayé de le jouer une fois (je ne suis arrivé très très loin, ni le l'ai jamais bien joué). Il y a énormément de chromatiques, ça c'est clair.
Merci d'avoir pris le temps de répondre, moi je suis né au Québec mais je vis en Belgique donc au passage petit clin d'oeil à vous autres ;)
which two keys?
+Emimi100 Lol Emile
Epic prok!
Excellent idea... I wonder if there was any particular "suggestion" on his mind. ;-)
Simplement FANTASTIQUE !!!!!!
Awesome
Thanks for sharing
Marvellous version.
Why's there not a metal cover of this?
He was the Man of Steel. He felt no pain, not even on those huge 4 octaves-a-second runs at the end. :D
Where are the octaves?
Amazing glissando!
Yeah pure Prokofiev
SUCH CLARITY!!!!!!!!
Early days heavy metal :D
Heavy piano as cute as I could fall into obession...
This is clearly a case of trying to play the music vs trying to play the piece. Prokofiev clearly had amazing technical prowess on the piano.
Fascinating.
WHAT??!!!! THIS EXISTS?!!!?
oh thank you. thank you so much.
i mean if this is ture.
omg what gem gem gem gem YES OMG FREAKING GOD YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES
Prokofiev was a talented pianist and that's why he was able to play his genius compositions and it's interesting if we think about the tempo. They way the composer performed it is not too fast. I think he was right!
artie: Prokofiev is mainly stressing the strong beats (the first and the third), because he wrote accents there...but he sure loved jazz, that's true. In Ravel's music there is much more jazz-influence (violin sonata).
A perfect example of jazzy syncopations you find in Schumann's Toccata...
Well in the case of prokofiev, there is not really jazz influence, since he made jazz like harmonies before jazz even existed. The fourth movement of his second piano concerto from 1912 has some intresting harmonies that would be classified as jazz nowadays but it is before jazz.
Actually this was written in 1908, way before jazz even existed.
In before the staccato, no pedal zealots go off on Prokofiev for playing his own piece wrong.. :P
most definitely!!!
@demosj nevertheless, one should not forget that the title is not by Prokofiev in the first place...
It's like 'Danse Macabre' but with a more Jazz-like rhythm to it.
I read once that Schubert found it hard to get through his 'Wanderer' Fantasy - a more recent, and better example would be Tippett, who I believe (I'm open to correction here) was no kind of instrumentalist, and, very aware that some of his piano writing was impractical, was happy that pianists make some adjustments.
artie: Thanks. I don't know much about classical, so I was just giving a compliment based on what I know. What does syncopation mean necessarily?
I didn’t how people were playing it, so I was planning on the interpretation I think would fit best. Turns out it’s very similar to this.
Well, I've written for violin, cello, and flute, and I can't play for any of those instruments. :) And yes I can see that it's a while back, it just came to my mind.
Beside clicking this link to hear the master musician play his own piece, the pianOracle just had to scroll down to see whether or not there would ACTUALLY be comments about whether or not some interpreters played this piece "closer to what Prokofiev had truly intended" as opposed to Prokofiev playing it himself, as though Prokofiev were just an interpreter of his own piece instead of the composer himself. Lo & behold! The pianOracle found what he was looking for......
-_-
@Vesivian didn't profofiev play it in this recording?
I doubt that I was always taught that Schubert was an amazing pianist
2:03 damn
suzette: Well it has to be a great rendition, he's playing his own piece! :)
It’s quite phenomenal.
You go make one :D
lol my last comment was a reply to an old comment, that said somewhere they learned that Schubert had trouble playing his own pieces.
I think I might be in love... with his big hands.
kael: What do you mean?
Besides that was just a random thought I had awhile back.
@Vesivian That's true!!!
GLISSANDI
serox: Who is Balakirev? Honestly, I didn't think people would actually take what I said seriously enough to respond! :)
Thanks!
porque los pianistas cambian el texto de los grandes compositores???...menos mal q tenemos el testimonio de los mismos autores!!! gracias Sergei...
artie: Thanks. I hate it when people are so close-minded to other opinions (like azerty was) whether it's in music, art, literature, politics, and so on. Some people just love the idea that they're superior to another person.
? I don't get it...
This sounds so much better than when others play it!!!!
2:02 - 2:03 in just 1 sec he played over 50 notes. That's very hard.
Gabriel Yuma you mean keys, there are only 12 notes in a piano
@@miguelgutierrez5692 No, technically he did play 50 notes. Just because some of them are different octaves doesn't mean that a note wasn't played. Smh trying to correct people.
@@miguelgutierrez5692 12 tones. Idiot.
If you lay over a piano, you can play all 88 keys in 1 second.
Is this real Prokofiev's presto fantastique?
I can´t agree with you. Richter was one of Prokofiev´s favorites pianists. Besides Prokofiev dedicated works to him, lije te 9th sonate. Richter lecture of this work is quite different, ok, but is wonderful! I invite you to visit my profile and listen an other excellent performance of this masterwork, by Antonietta Rudge (1885-1974), I posted it . I hope you enjoy it.
@Shostakovichforever
Il appartient de retoucher deux cornes au portrait de Prokofiev, ha-ha!
Mais habituellement je parle russe. Tu es juste, on doit publier ses commentaires en anglais. C'est pourquoi j'écris la description du video en anglais, français, russe --- afin que tu et beau monde français pourraient me comprendre.
azerty: I didn't say it was jazz, but had the rhythm. The fast pace of the piece. Geez can't believe I got -3 for a compliment!
suzette: I know, I'm just saying it would be odd if a composer couldn't. I realize that MANY composers were also known as fine pianists in their times.
@nairigrigorian Exacto, pero no del todo cierto, Rachmaninov no le era tan fiel así mismo. Escucha sus grabaciones con partitura en amno y te darás cuenta de que no. Prokofiev tocaba exactamente como lo había escrito, eso es indiscutible.
greeky: Really? Gee, as I said it was just a random though. Had no idea it would have basis in fact! ;)
kael meant that compared to this, no one else ever knew how to compose music
how do we ACTUALLY know it was PROKOFIEV playing and not some random person??
If you listen other pieces played by Prokofiev you will listen the same piano playing style. It is Prokofiev.
Seems like satan really suggested him the notes to play,it's fascinating
suzette: It would be weird if a composer wrote a piece and couldn't even play it! I wonder if that's ever happened?
GAH! I meant to give it a five and I got a three!
@jorpianist how this is prokofievs own version you might have heard other incorrct or not as close as this awesome performance so back off
Breusch: I've never heard of either 'Islamey' or 'Balakirev'.
suzette: It was just a random thought.
silver: YOU DON'T NEED TO YELL.
1000th like!!
Sounds like continuation for mephisto music
Prokofiev scares me....not just the music, his face :D
@demosj ain't nothing bad about a diabolic statement .
???
i've always found that everybody should speak english here...me normally i speak french but i speak english,so everybody can understand me...
Shostakovichforever lol
Well, the title is translated from the Russian, so be careful about reading too much into it. Наваждение is more like a possession, or the feeling that something evil has passed through you. It's more obsessive and delusional than suggestive.
@klausknulp LOL!!! xD
No way.
pardon mais je ne suis pas fr,je suis belge ;)
1mn40 of adds wtf
genial song.
@jorpianist hahaha you're funny.
Occasionally, there might be something not quite right in Prokofiev's playing (for instance, in one of the Tales of the Old Grandmother, he plays a quintuplet as two regular notes followed by a triplet), but generally, Prokofiev was a good performer of his own works. Nonetheless, he did not possess the technique and musical education of Rachmaninoff who was by far the superior performer and could play the works of others like the true master executant that he was.
i know this comment was made one month ago but that's not what i meant.
what? so this is bs this isn't Prokofiev himself?
its bad that he/she doesnn't show the actual recording. Rate this a thumbs down if you want.
Anyone who ever wrote for an instrument he/she didn't know how to play.
He isn't playing his own piece well.(
Sorry Mr Prokofiev but Richter is better than you about playing this piece. 👍
I mean Prokofiev is playing what the piece he intended in his mind, Richter can't play better than him, but surely more differently
ugh...sorry ^.^''..
Ravel was terrible player and couldn't play have his music, and the afore mentioned Balakirev could not play his whole Islamey. Schumann hurt his hands in a crazy finger extension machine of his (the guy was mad) and so his wife played all his music.
your jealous
Am I the only one who doesn't like it...? Lol
Yes