You left out I think the biggest reason this is particularly bad advice: The undeniable fact that your social circle shrinks as you age and you have fewer opportunities to be around attractive women. Being in college is literally one of the few times in life when as a male you will have a gender ratio in your favor, so you will have a lot of options, and more opportunities to meet women through friends and other social activities.
For me, not even in college. I went to a prestigious global top 30 STEM school, out of 50 students there were 2 girls. When I am not in class I had to spent 20 hours a week doing labs and design projects. The grand number of girls I could date was *zero* . Yes, I make over 100k per year, but in the dating arena I am in homeless status. STEM = 💀
Wheatwaffles is totally wrong about Rollo's book, and its clear he hasnt read it. If he had read it he wouldnt even dare to call it irrelevant 😂 ps. and Roll's 2nd book, Preventive Medicine, is even better than the 1st
The Fine Wine Copers should be fine if their aim is to appeal to the cougar market or simply to focus on self-improvement. I once left a comment on his channel expressing the sentiment that it's rather delusional to think that a woman who wasn't genuinely interested/physically attracted to you in your twenties would become so when you approach your fifties, just because you have nice toys in your garage and your finance are in order. At best, she may settle for the security you provide, but she will end up resenting sharing a bed with you while thinking about one of her exes or the guy she couldn't have.
Women respond to confidence and charisma in real life. On a dating app it is purely physical looks since you can't feel confidence and charisma like in real life. looks are important as well, but they mean nothing without confidence and charisma.
They will become more attracted to you if you aquire status and/or pre-selection. These are scientifically proven attractive traits in men. A man is able to improve his status as he ages.
Why would anyone even want to date a 50 year old woman from your childhood when you're 50 anyway? Who even thinks about old women. Oh great, that hot 20 year old that rejected me 30 years earlier, she wants me now when she's a fat old hag. Who cares? Why would you even be keeping in touch with people who rejected you 30 years ago? That's mgtow coper level insanity.
Because they don't take care of themselves. It is obvious that when people say "men age like fine wine", they have Jared Leto in mind, not some random, 40 y.o. fat guy. lol
@@rysiokowalski7194 Racja, ale tak czy siak najczęściej dobrze się wygląda w młodym wieku niż starszym( chyba że ktoś dopiero zaczął dbac o siebie w późniejszym) Idealnymi przykładami się modele. W ogromnej większości wyglądają najlepiej w młodym wieku niż starszym.
@@animequenchers That certainly isn't the case. Just coming from gym, flirting with a 20 year old and guess what, this is happening pretty often (and also scoring). I even could pick the relationship with a women 15 years younger without big problem. Most 30-40 year old men (and above) just have ZERO maintenance. If you look like a normie and have never put in the work for having a fit body, you will have to date your age and let's face it, a good amount of men don't even get that! But seen on your nerdy "anime"-name, one already can guess what type of guy you are. 😂
True attraction is 100% based on Physical Appearance. Age is not a huge factor in itself, but rather because it has impact on looks. Someone who is Chad at 40 year old will mog a 17 year old normie any day. However, the "Fine Wine Copers" are nowhere close to Chad, nor the 99% male population is.
That's the biggest thing. Literally none of the fine wine copers are actually chads and most of them have fairly underwhelming results in terms of preserving whatever looks they did have. Rollo and Rich Coper don't have particularly impressive physiques and haven't done much to reverse aging. Meanwhile, compare that to a dude like Greg Doucette. Guy breaks up with his hot blond girlfriend and gets an even younger hotter Chinese girlfriend like a month later and he's 47... I could maybe take Coper/Rollo and the gang somewhat seriously if they actually took their fitness seriously, managed hair loss, and invested in cosmetic operations but they don't because they're lazy copers who just want to hate on women rather than actually do anything to be more attractive.
@@VastChoirsTom Cruise Brad Pitt are definitely way way past their prime by a mile so is Leonardo DiCaprio & Dwayne Johnson there past his prime aswell just to name a few but they still have lots of money
5'6. Slaying from his mid 30s to his late 40s. I'm not disagreeing with WW's video at all. Most of the people who actually aged like fine wine don't make shitty videos about men aging like fine wine and just pursued really physically intense athletic hobbies. Royal Tomato and Richard Coper give lip service to "going to the gym" but do almost nothing to actually improve or maintain their looks with age. It's hypocritical.@@fab2907
Exactly. Neither they have a personal charisma ,lifestyle or connections that would perhaps give them an advantage. W e are talking about average people here.
Ja. Listening to these 50+ greybeards talk about avoiding single moms just by dating twenty-somethings. As if it's that easy. Sorta like shopping for groceries. Just buy the good stuff, is all you have to do. I can't see any woman under the age of 40 being even remotely interested in dating one of these greybeards. At least, any woman without an ulterior motive. I.E. not being a gold digger.
Red pill is just more prevalent because it gives average and below average guys hope. Another example is Fresh and Fit where the main guy constantly says that men reach their peak at 35.
Strength-wise yes. Usually between 28-38). But pace, acceleration, condition men are peaking in their mid 20s. This is actually irrelevant as the drop is not that massive - about 20%. The issue is when we compare how big risk is for injury and health issues. This is the factor which stops most men to be extremely fit and strong in their 30s
Not to sound racist but truth be told ,Tyrone's tend to age better and can actually retain their youthful appearance much longer . This js actually scientifically proven fact . Infact Tyrones in their 30s can score women who are in ther 20s . So Wheat Waffle's argument in this video applies mostly to Chad's ethnicity. Whom ,with all due respect ,never really age too well . The only thing that can ruin Tyrone is mostly weight gain .
@Hunkzilla Where is your evidence that “Tyrone” outperforms “Chads” as he ages? What absolute nonsense. The best looking older men are all Chads race. Most men age poorly though, a tiny fraction will age gracefully.
Men do peak at 35. Because your career, wisdom peak at 45, while your physical health and intelligence peak at 25, you take the average where you are rich enough but still good looking enough and you get the magical number of 35.
This so much, aging literally means you have dead proteins, messed up DNA and inflammatory fat hanging all over your wrinkly and baggy skin, muscles and intestines. Who in their right mind likes that 😆
@@LOL_MANN The point is, having some grey hair or wrinkles isn't necessarily very unattractive in men. Which isn't really rocket science. They are much more unattractive in women.
@@rishabhpandey3069 yep, I have invented it since copers think, that if beauty is subjective then maybe there will be someone who will find them attractive. But I`d say that you must be attractive in the first place and only then girls will subjectively decide if you match their type.
Dating for me has always been a very tiring job with poor results. But after the age of 35 it became impossible. Women over a certain age are even more picky and selective than young one, they want the "businessman", not only attractive, but also rich. While in youth you can afford to be a little more easygoing, at this age you have to be perfect, flawless.
Women over 30 already are undesirable as marriage prospects so being selective worsens their chances. So you’re not missing out. Men still have the same odds of getting married since they don’t age out of it until well after 50.
@@Krelian4400 Women don’t select men on looks alone. There’s money, status, and age, which are all above her level. Her looks will be worsen as she ages so they will be at parity.
The Wall is a way for desperate men to cope with being sent their own way. Most women still have infinite SMV in their 30's and 40's. The only thing that changes for them is they might not be able to pull Chad anymore. Most men lose what little SMV they have once they hit their 30's. That's why men past 30 need to rely on resources (money, high status job) to pull women once they are older. On a side note I check ID's constantly as part of my job. The VAST majority of couples are either the same age or maybe the guy is 2-3 years older. Age gaps where the guy is pulling a hot girl much younger than him are extremely rare.
That's the point. Men are not hard limited by age, there are other factors that you can grow while getting older. women on the other hand are hard limited by their age in general.
It's true. I'm 32 I look 10 years younger, im not balding with young face. Even when I talked to like 18-19 yo girls and they liked me, the moment I speak my age it's an instant turn off at least in Germany, its fine when i lie and tell im like 25. Thinking hot young girls will throw themselves at you past 30 is a huge coppeee, this number is big for most of young chicks. Realistically woman from age 25 up is the target
Dude, same...31 looking like 19....Not ugly, not at all. But Women in my Age Bracket don`t see me as a Man, but a Boy. Still lie about my Age from time to time.
I guess it depends on who you speak to and what you look like. I went through a massive lifestyle change in 2019 when I was 28/29 and I had received attention from a couple of young girls who tried to make it obvious that they were interested in me. That was here in the UK and I never had this sort of attention given to me before all the positive changes I made. And I didn't look all the different before. I just lacked so much confidence and dressed poorly. When I went to Switzerland for a couple of days for a short trip I had numerous girls approaching me in the same manner and made it a lot more obvious that they were attracted to me than those in the UK. The youngest being 18 and she was persistent even after immediately knowing that I was 29 at the time. Like I said it depends on multiple factors. The guy who was giving me a tour around the country for a few days was a family friend and due to his nature he was accompanied by his friends who seemed like a humble bunch including that one girl who was deeply attracted to me. I don't think turning 30 is the the be-all and end-all as you're alluding to. It may matter to the deviant and narcissistic kinds who you don't really want anyway. Bear in mind that I was unemployed at the time when I was in Switzerland so money and social status clearly weren't a factor in all of this. Nor did my looks play a pivitol role since I know I'm an average or below-average-looking guy in general. I don't have a masculine jawline, I believe I'm like 5ft 7", have a noticable gap between my two front teeth and they aren't pearly white either. I'm ethnically a black guy of African descent so make of that what you will.
I never bought into this BS. I'm a 6'1 chad (or Tyrone cause I'm black). Used to play the field but decided to settle down ASAP. Cause playing the field will cost you later in your life. These 35 year olds are gonna be step dads at best or remain single and die alone (which I still dont think is ideal for men even though we promote it in the west).
Yo, Lil Drippa Let’s kick it like the old days and “play the field” me and you brother….You ask chicks for a lighter, and I swoop in quoting the GTA IV cheat codes off by Heart “x,x,L1,L2,L2,L1,y,b,b,a,x”
Gotta agree with Mr. Waffles here. The Manosphere quite often touts that a woman's prime is around 23yo while a man's prime is roughly 38yo. However what they fail to mention is that both those people in their "prime" aren't necessarily dating each other. You'd think they would be, but that's not reality. In the real world, people generally date and get into relationships with people around their own age (plus or minus a few years), both men and women. Of course there are some relationships with a large age gap, but I'd reckon that's not the norm. And an even bigger outlier are older men with significantly younger women. A 22yo woman in her prime is going to want a 23-24yo chad, not a 36yo man (regardless what he has going for him). However, I will say that a 25yo normie is going to have lots of difficulties in the dating market because he doesn't have much to offer, not looks, barely any finances, and little status. However that same normie at 35yo could have "leveled-up" a bit and gained some financial success and status, and hopefully his looks have still kept up with his age. His 35yo self will undoubtedly do much better than his 25yo self with dating overall, comparatively he'll have more options at 35yo. BUT he won't be dating the 22yo hottie, even less so at 35yo. He never really had a chance unless he was a chad OR he had insane status (celebrity) or money. People like Russell Brand are outliers. A well-kept 35yo normie with his shit together is mostly dating women in their early 30s or late 20s at best.
This is the correct, nuanced outlook. Girls in their absolute prime (early to mid twenties) are largely reserved for winners of the genetic lottery or celebrities/athletes etc. As these girls get older and less desired by the top men, more normal guys can gain access to them through their own lower levels of wealth, status etc. if they've stayed at the top of their game for years.
Yeah in middle age my male advantage is that I can date better looking women, a few years younger than me, than I could in my 20s. I never could date good looking 20 somethings (apart from a couple foreigners when I was early 40s, and they were just one date no action). It definitely is very nice being with a beautiful 48 year old btw, much better than a fat plain 26 year old - sadly I married the latter 😅
Nobody should forget that Rollo is married to a woman 5 years his SENIOR and that Rich Cope was married to a single mother with several children from another man.
Basic rule of statistics: "the exception to the rule does not negate the rule" the success of the top 0.01% men after they hit 30 does not mean the average man can achieve that. the only way for you to have such abundance past your 30's would be for you to already be a chad, then achieve top 0.1% money/status. while its possible, the mere fact that you still have to be very good looking for this to work makes this a stupid thought for the average man to have. and if you are the type of man that is already attractive enough to pull off this type of 30+ abundance, then there isn't any reason you cant just dominate the dating market in your 20's anyways. moral of the story: you probably will never reach the "male advantage", so don't wait around building yourself up in your 20's expecting to dominate the dating market then. do the best that you can starting NOW
@ You’re telling me it doesn’t matter if you’re 50 look 25? And yes that is possible humans are really suppose to live past 100 some people have great genetics and live that long anyway eating a mediocre diet with little exercise
I see where you are coming from and agree with some points (especially with the opinion of those influencers). On the other hand I can share you my experience as a 38, years old guy: - my sexual and physical peak was between 22-28 - my physical attracticeness peaked between 28-34 - my finances starting peaking now (38 and forward) I wouldn't say that all of this fine wine is a myth. To understand it lets focus on few key factors: - you need to age well and young to be attractive to younger females - the best time to look for serious relationship is in your 25-28 range.Next one is NOW. Most of my friends early relationships died, most who started there are happily married. - online dating decade ago was actually a thing, but there was no online hypergamy as today - online dating in your 30s is a nightmare. You most likely will end up swiping tall single mothers who couldn't marry as ALL the girls goes for tall guys regardless of their height xD - if you really struggled with sex in tour 20s you most likely will get more of that in your 30s - as I mentioned previously: you need to be really attractive to get attention of girls 10+ years younger rhan you. If you look like old 40-something in your 30s, you wont get 20'something - if you are attractive, intelligent and have your money, you have chance to attract young sexy womanz the issue is quality of them - most for sex - it is difficult to realize that "find true love" time is most likely over. Same as friendships - the bonding is mostly in your 20s. Other thing to mention - your emotional level will drop. Life is tough and it might be more difficult to fall in love, even with attractive girl That said - I am not looking doe serious relationship now. I still grinding, but doing this for myself. I look really young (28, being 38). And at first glance its great as I know many balding guys in their 20s who look older than me. On the other hand. There is a risk that girl seeing that there is two-digit number gap between you two - will decide to pass. The whole myth is based on the fact that women value declines with time and that mans value decrease decelerate comparably after 22-28. Realistically you can find a women 5-8 younger than you and create relationship.everythin over that is often beta-buxing. Sad but true
Those guys are grifting on failing 40 and 50 y men. Let's call it what it is: Rage Pillers. They're feeding and profiting on rage. Their ultimate illusion is the revenge-fantasy where women are going to pay for their bad life choices. A 50 y woman on tinder gets more play than an average 30 y guy. Let that sink in.
This is delusional and, frankly, is just simping undercover. Women DO pay for their bad choices. A 50 yr old woman on tinder gets play from losers she doesn't want. Not men she actually desires. This is just a male despondent view that women somehow, always, neverendingly, have the upper hand. This is ret@rded. There is no world in which a 50 yr old single woman is in a better way than a man of any age lower than 65.
Statistics can give people an idea of what's going on in society but it's not the determining factor of what one's life will be like. I'm a black 33-year-old UK citizen and when I was 28/29 I decided to change my lifestyle after rotting away living as a hermit since I was 19 or 20. I wasn't able to cope with being single at that young age which led me to give up on life so early. So in recent years I started to eat healthy meals, took vitamin supplements, went to the gym every other day and worked a full-time 12-hour manual labour shift which was excruciating and demoralising when you see the condition of the workplace and the kind of people I had to work with. After 6 months, I noticed how I started to get attention from girls that were much younger than me. I'm talking late teens/early 20s. I did get in better shape by acquiring a lean body but I wasn't all that big to begin with - just skinny fat with a belly. The attention I got was even more prominent when I took a trip to Switzerland for a few days with a couple of girls trying to make it obvious that they wanted to be approached. One girl who was 18 was pretty persistent with me and ignored the other dude who was around her age and was attempting to make moves on her. I even got matched so quickly on dating apps when I was there which was never a thing for me in the UK. The issue I've been witnessing on the dating market over the last few years comes down to a bunch of things. One of which is that Western girls in general have become highly egotistical due to their undeniable privilege. The MeToo movement along with other things have made it significantly worse for men in general. Men like me who are only interested in long-term relationships with girls who haven't had all that much experience with other guys have virtually no chance in the West. We're just better off finding someone in South America or Asia. The women there, even if they aren't exactly pure in the sense of being virgins and such, are still in touch with their femininity, which is something that can't be said for the majority of Western women. But the other problem lies in this whole community and I have to be quite frank about this. The whole hooking-up culture is precisely why we're in this mess to begin with. People can't seem to settle with just one person which is highly problematic. Men in the redpill community typically use the excuse that we can go from one girl to another without dealing with the kind of emotional baggage that girls usually end up with. But these are the same kind of men who later on reach a point where they become highly depressive and end up with existential crisis the moment they realise they're getting old. I've seen plenty of examples of that being the case. While you appear to be bragging about your body count and how you're doing better off than all these older delusional men, this whole lifestyle of yours will bite you in the end when you come to the realisation that perhaps you should have stayed with that one girl who made you feel a certain way which others weren't able to. That one girl who made your life so much more meaningful. In the end you're going to look back at all these fleeting moments of your one-night stands and short-term relationships and realise how pointless all of it was when you could have just spent most or all of your precious time creating beautiful memories with that one girl who is willing to avoid that promiscuous life just for you. It may sound like some fairy tale garbage to many of you but people were genuinely happier during these times when traditional values were celebrated and adultery was frowned upon. People decades ago married at a young age which I imagine helped them to avoid all of that temptation of lust and other forms of debauchery that is self-destructive. You may not get it now but someday you will.
Yes I get why that would be better. But first of all: No women did ever make me feel something special. In fact all of them just used me for sex and to brag with me to their girls. Those women just have nothing to offer nowadays. Nothing. Not even their bodies. Because the sex is shit as they never learned what intimacy is. I wanted to settle from about 16 onwards but it only caused me pain for about 10 years as thats not how women work. Now that I embraced a sex-first polygamous lifestyle everything is much easier. I still want long-term relationships if possible, but the competition anxiety keeps them in line. Its the reputation Ive always falsely carried with me and Im much more relaxed once I embraced it. Girls never wanted me to meet their female friends and made comments like “then go f*ck her” when I said that they looked cute in a picture. They hate to share, but at the same time they’d rather be my number 7 then to have some loser all for themself (Literally got told that). Its completely doomed for society at large I know but at the same time I cant do anything about it and Im not being miserable just for the sake of society.
@@nevergiveupbaby1720 Lol is that all you took from my long-winded post? It's only over if you deem it that way. The problem about the black pill community is that they embrace defeatism and never give the alternative a chance. If you aren't changing your life for the better then of course it's going to be over.
It's all relative. Man's SMV increases almost automatically in relation to women of his own age, because of more favorable sex-ratio alone, especially if he takes good care of himself, unlike, perhaps most of the other men of his age. This doesn't mean that he would attract women that are 20-30 years younger than him. But speaking of "niche maxxing", isn't an older cool guy kind of a niche in itself?
@featherfashion8065Richard Cooper probably qualifies... But I guess it can be subjective. The point is, you are different from the rest and stand out in a positive way.
@@joojoojeejee6058 the only time an older man is “cool” is if he’s also rich and has status. RC is still in good shape and has expensive cars and some limited fame but he cannot compete with a fit young full head of hair broke 25 year-old.
@@SweetCandy-x4j Perhaps he can't compete with a 25 yo. chad in general in regards to attracting very young women. But some young women can prefer the niche of an older cool guy. And then there's the whole demographic of a bit older women, 30+ or so... I mean 30 yo. is YOUNG from 50 yo. dude's perspective. It's not like a girl has to be 20 yo. to be attractive.
On a first date with a girl around age 25 I brought over the dark night rises, we were talking and I randomly asked her how attractive Christian Bale was in this movie and she said eww he's to old! Lol I thought she was joking at first but no she wasn't
I agree... to a point. . People tend to generalize too much, especially if they benefit from the outcome. "If (technique x) worked for them, then all I have to do is (technique x)." That's far too simplistic of an approach and a complete waste of time. . Are you famous, "Internet famous", or just a regular person? Where are you looking? (Campus, Night Club, Apps) What's the age difference? What result are you looking for? (Hook-up, relationship, or wife) What country are you from? What country are you in? . Copers, in all categories, tend to be hard set in their belief/style/technique. There are far too many variables to be so hard set on one belief/style/technique.
To be fair, although rare, there are some guys that look handsomer in their late 20s and 30s. I had bad achane in my teen and in my early to mid-20s, but now 31 I have clear skin am 6 foot 1 and am very handsome. I still look like I am in my 20s. I sometimes get ID'ed in the beer store. And I have a full head of thick hair, weigh 224 pounds, and have very little body fat. I could tell everyone I am 24 and no one would question it.
When I was aged 19 - 25 I was most popular guy in college and uni, unfortunately a college friend (who tried but failed with women) got me into his religion and told me to ignore women even as friends, so I refused all there advances etc. I now regret it aged 33, so don't listen to these copers, they are the same as that college friend I listened too when young (in my real prime).
I'll help you bro; quit consuming added sugars / simple carbs. Or at least significantly reduce them on most days. They destroy collagen production which is a big factor of physically aging you, internally and out. While you're on this new diet lifestyle make sure you consume a lot of vitamin C, it boost collagen production amongst many other benefits. Fruits are fine for this despite them having natural sugars, just don't do the fruit juice as it lacks the fibre that slows the sugar absorption. Also consume a full range of minerals daily, in this day and age just buy a supplement to help with this. And take an omega 3 supplement! Get proper sleep and stay physically active at the gym. You will look better, age slower, and even 'reverse' the appearance and feeling of physical aging a bit. This all worked for me but definitely keep on researching and discovering new stuff like this. Go get back out there bro
NOW I understand why you showed those university girls these older men. D'OH! As a 54-year-old myself, I agree - that "fine wine" thing is BS. Even as I took issue issue with the skewed sample I said then - and say here - a woman in her 20s would NOT be with a man my age or older unless it's a financial arrangement (aka a form of prostitution). I've done age gap relationships (the cougar/MILF thing). Age appropriate is the way to go. "Wall" irrespective. Even if the attraction is there, how does a woman in her 20s relate to a man two generations behind her???
Dude you put no effort in your weight, hair, skin, teeth or clothes. If you loose 15kg, wear your hair short, use skin products, get your teeth cleand regulary and start to dress like your age we can talk again. You're just seeking for an easy excuse to not admit your own sloppyness.
Yeah, I'll be 33 next month, and it's clearly over for me. It hasn't even ever begun because I became aware of one or two females being interested in me just too late in my 20's. I'm already terrified of going back to studying with these 18+-year-old females. They were already monsters in my early 20's.
The best you can hope for is becoming a sugar daddy or being betabux. Late 30 to 50 year old copium addicts will almost never generate genuine desire or attraction from 20 year old women, no matter how much they take care of themselves. Hell, if you're a sub 5-6 late 20 year old, it could be over for you, but that is if you didn't make a great effort to looksmaxx or geomaxx the best you could.
@@hlebzonI see. You must be really young to ask the question you did, but I will give you honest answers. Why not date women my age you say? Have you seen the women my age? Most are not pretty. Even if a pretty older woman is found, 99% chance she is a divorced single mom. Would you want to deal with that? I don't and won't. I'm guessing you're in your 20's or younger. Find a wife before you hit 30 or you'll see what I'm talking about. 😎
Yes, as an older man, I will say that Waffles is right.. I have a friend that is 40, he's dating a 27 year old , overweight , single mom.. That's the typical result of an older man in his prime, he can get an overweight single mom to date, but he's not getting a university girl in her prime. A 35 year old man that struggled in his 20s may be able to get a postwall woman, so he may have more success in that way.. but yes.. he's not getting a 20 year old prime woman.. he's getting a woman that realizes she has to settle. I will say this though, Rollo is a good content creator. He doesn't push this fantasy that hard, if at all (I don't remember).. But the guys that are selling classes, etc to support this myth, yes, they are harming young men.. Good video.
If they told young men to do this and then go overseas for a younger wife they'd be on point. Get yourself together and getting a young hot wife from asia or latin america when you're 40 is a breeze. And the best thing is, these girls don't feel they settled but won
@@chrispekel5709no you creepy passport bros who can’t get a woman in your country are disliked by everyone lol the women over there know how weird you dudes are and most avoid you for a good reason
I've always been more attracted to women aged 27-36.... my first serious gf was 32 when I was 23. I'm 34 now and in my "peak" simply because that's my target age range. But if I were really into 18-24 year old girls, ofc I'd be way past my peak. My peak probably would have been around 24-27 in that case.
The reason my dating life is better now than 10 years ago is that I'm no longer bluepilled. In my early 20s I was a nice guy and I couldn't talk to women. The biggest advantage older guys have is knowledge accumulation.
@@jon-cl7rrWhy is that an issue? If you're a man in your 30s, there's fuck all wrong with dating or being in a relationship with someone who is also in their 30s...
Guys, wheat speaks 100% facts. Im a young female and can conform that he is absolutely right. Sure, there always be exceptions. Just like some guys find fat women the most attractive, there will be some rare girls liking old men, but those are rarity!! Dont rely on this
But I don’t get it, because a colleague of mine is exactly 46 and dates girls literally 20 years younger than him. And I’ve seen it with my own eyes, so I know it is really happening. And sure, he’s got decent genetics, takes care of himself, and has a good job, but he’s far from a Chad or a millionaire. And these young girls he dates are pretty, I would also be interested by them. Of course this is anecdotal, but is he just an exception? I’m 21 so I’m in no rush, but just wondering out of curiosity.
You’ve done legit 37 comments on a male focused black pilled channel. I would really like to know how you look like so I can then value your opinion accordingly
@@veliolath9958 not sure if my looks are relevant here. Im a data scientist and prefer more fact based chanels when it comes to info. I dont think its a bad thing to have different perspectives in life and watch these from time to time to see what my male friends might struggle with. I have a few good male friends who struggle to find a gf and if you look at wheats info it kinda does explain why. Most of them are totally blue pilled tho. I did manage to help one with advice. He went from annoying, boring average looking guy to hot manly man. He got married a week ago. Hery happy for him. So yeah, most things wheat say is pretty accurate and does help. My advice to my friend was mainly from wheats video's. Also i was bluepilled myself before this channel and was wondering why the results were not as expected (if personality is by far the most important thing, then kind people would be in a relationship very fast vs mean ones unable to find someone, but the reality did not add up
@@Fred-zt5kyThe answer is in your comment. He might date young women, aka fund their lifestyles, but do these women want to settle down and raise a family with him? That’s the long term goal for most people. So yes, there are young women who will date older men briefly in exchange for money/experiences, but when it comes to who they really want it’s not an older man.
@@Fred-zt5kywhat’s location is this happening in? & how much is his yearly income ? Honestly 20 years younger will only happen if he has chad genetics or singer or dj or something. Also blacks don’t age much 20 years younger is usually “sugar dating “ he isn’t going to tell his friends I’m dating these girls cus I’m paying them a weekly “allowance” and including everything sugar dating can work out cheaper than getting married & paying for 2-3 kids …
Looks is your status lol most of the high paying jobs tend to be people who are above average looking, I’ve noticed this at places like the hospital you notice most of the workers are not bad looking and many of them are above average looking and it makes sense because attractive people (men and women) make more money on average and have way more opportunities, people who are perceived as attractive are also perceived as confident giving them more opportunities, studies find attractive speakers tend to be more intelligent than unattractive speakers, you notice this when you see lots of sub 5s working low class minimum wage jobs, your looks is your status.
Im 35, when I was 33 I was able to go on dates with a couple women that were 23-25 range, the dates with both (separately) honestly went great and they offered to split drinks and dinner prices without me asking and they appeared to find me attractive but they seemed to lose interest in the weeks following and I always speculated it was about age.
Same, dude. Although I'm 33. I was practically a ghost to all these women throughout all my life until I reached 29 and started to get attention from girls as young as 18 out of nowhere. There could be many factors which explain why that is but saying that your life will ultimately become more difficult by the time you reach your 30s is misleading. Sure, some folks age worse than others but I do believe that if you look after yourself in the best way possible by adopting a healthy diet, taking vitamin supplements, exercising, meditating, etc. then life isn't as bad as people like WW tries to suggest. Statistics gives people an idea of what is happening around us but it does not determine the reality of one's life. It all depends on who you are and what your circumstance is.
Finally someone said the truth! younger guys are way easier at getting girls than older dudes, only if you are like elon or jeff level rich and status you can get younger hot chicks and that is because they are in it100% for the $ 0% for you as a man. it was way easier for me to get girls in my 20s than I am now (40) even though I have 100xs more money now than before.
Glad wheat made the point about how things have changed since Rollo was in his 20s. “The male advantage” definitely had some truth 30 years ago but now it’s out of reach for 99% of men.
Fine wine coper here: my interpretation of the fine wine argument is that there is a very small percentage of us who eventually make enough money that we can live very very well without needing to work while we are still young enough (i.e., up to early 50s) to have bodies that are reasonably responsive to diet and training and we also have the time to be able to put ourselves into proximity with beautiful women and the experience to know how to handle them. I'm 45yo and I make around $900k per annum before taxes, obviously on a cold approach I'm at a big disadvantage to men who are younger but poorer versions of myself, but there is a LOT more to the equation than the first seconds of an approach. Physical entropy is subtractive but wealth generation is multiplicative, meaning that I might be 20% uglier than I was in my early twenties, but I am also literally 7000% richer in terms of net worth and about 2000% better paid.
I tried Pa$$port and was able to up my financial wealth strata and attract women. But, it was not the type of women that had hot burning desire for true love called Passion (see Sternberg's triangle). It was for commitment and support of extended family, often children they already had with a handsome young chixs-boy, or a green card. It felt so cold and empty compared to the real love relationship I had in the West before the female monkey-branched.
@@bobbruce4135 Passport bros is a big cope. Because ultimately fake people cannot make you happy a transactional relationship will never satisfy you because fake things can’t make you happy. Only true love can make you happy which true love is a woman being physically attracted to you, that’s what makes her having the burning desire for you when she’s physically attracted to you, she biochemically falls in love with you and she wants your babies, that’s something money can’t buy it all comes down to looks and youth which is why the reality is your best bet of finding true love is when your in your youth and at your best looking.
Money doesn't matter to us when you're old sorry. Women are much more turned on by younger men, rich older men not so much, at best you'd be a sugar daddy temporarily.
I think it’s important for guys to looksmax and be as attractive as possible by the time they’re 25, and then try to use anti-aging and lifestyle choices to look 25 for as long as possible, the men who peak and get most attractive women at 35 usually look young for their age, biological age is way more important than chronological age, a 20 to 25 year old woman won’t care if a man is 35 years old chronically if biologically he’s still 25. And unlike your chronological age your biological age you do have control over.
I think the peak for men should actually be around 30 because by then they’ve had some time to build their money and status but the age pill hasn’t yet hit them and they’re still at their peak for looks and they will get the best, most attractive women around the age of 25, they might be too old for college girls age 18 to 22, but they will have plenty of options of women between 22 and 30, so I still think it’s the best age to be, however once men reach 35 and older they will quickly decline unless they take really good care of themselves and have been anti-aging and keeping fit since 25, and looksmaxed before that.
I’m kinda a nobody currently, realistically I’m giving myself until about 25 to try and become the best version of myself and to turn my dating and social life around since I have high functioning autism and communication has been very hard for me. I know time is limited and it’s best to start improving myself now rather than later. The biggest change for me will probably happen in the next couple of years I expect things to change dramatically. If my dating life is gonna turn around it will do so over the next few years, not when I’m 35. The period between 18 and 20 or in my case 20 and 25 is crucial for improvement.
Bros im scared, thats its over. Im 26 and get told, that i look 18. But im scared it crashes someday. Im using sunscreen 24/7 haha im such an neurotic basterd
@@hot_guy997we are in the same boat. Im suffering. I also got chronic pain, which makes it exhausting to socialice long. Knowing that it all even gets worse with age fills me with dispair. Hoping for a miracle at that point
@@Almgandin Hey bro I feel ya, just keep trying to look young and making money and if you make good money you can geomax if you need too, every man is different it’s not all the same for every person, but you never know what life’s gonna do to you so it’s best to do what you can while you can, there’s still hope.
Finally a guy that’s being honest about this!! A lot of guys don’t realise that youth and health is also important to women 😱 shocker! we don’t want to be 24 raising kids with a 40 year old man.
@@ModelJames13 some young women will date older men . but to the majority of us would rather date a handsome and fit man from the same generation as us the only thing to gain from an older man is money and that’s not even a guarantee .
I love that you talk about this. I'm 40 and doing about as well as you can expect. I'm a multimillionaire, Im 6'1, I'm in extremely good shape, average looks. According to these idiots I should be drowning in 19 year old tail. The reality is so far from that its laughable. Can I draw some interest from the 1 in 20 girl in college WILLING to date a 40 year old? maybe. But if you wanna bang 20 year olds, you're far better off being a 25 year old chad lite than in the 99 percentile of 40 year olds.
Very important info! You must also inform your audience that sperm accumulate mutations as men age - T levels go down too - so male fertility declines with age. Old fathers are more likely to have unhealthy children - much more so than old mothers, as eggs don’t accumulate mutations.
That's a debatable point about older men having unhealthier children. My dad was 55 when he fathered me and my mum 44. I have made it to 60 and all my health issues are exactly the same as my mums, so his stuff was good. There is another important genetic factor in being fathered by older men and all animals are often fathered by older specimens for thus reason. If you are an older man you have lived to tell the tale, so you are not carrying bad genes.
@ It’s just a fact that gamete quality declines with age. Obviously, if you have good genes and you live a good lifestyle, you can weather that aging better than others. My own parents were old, and for over a thousand years my family has been having healthy children into their 50s for women and 70s for men, and there’s definitely a strong link between extended fertility and good genes. But, all else being equal it’s always better to have younger parents, in terms of gamete quality.
@maidende8280 it would appear that the health risks are associated with mental health and complications of miscarriage etc. Most of it is around the time of birth. As the mother is likely to be older also, that will play an important role. There is nothing definate on it, as its a very difficult thing to pin down. My point was that if an older man say in his sixties has great health, cancer free, heart fine, no diabetes and low blood pressure, is off spring will inherit those health benefits. Humans have no health natural selection, unlike animals, where males have to fight other males often to the death to show they are a physically worthy father. With females this is of no importance as they just need to bare the young whatever. But the mothers genetic health is also of huge importance. This is where nature tolerates quite a bit of in breeding. For example the alpha male in a group will not only mate with the mother but also his grand daughter so his "good" genes will become even more dominant in the offspring.
Two years ago, I used to listen to Richard Cooper a couple of times. I won't deny that his message was good on politics, culture, and society. It was only that his message on dating was irrelevant to me, since his dating advice applies the older generation of men, while I'm still younger (early 20s). That's when I stumbled upon Wheat Waffles, since his videos on average dating and relationships is relatable to me as an young average man.
You hit the nail the head with mentioning the way they always select guys that are at the very top as examples. Yes, If you are say a 6’3 handsome, charismatic, fit 34-yr old guy making $300k+ you will thrive in dating. However, that’s easily a top 1% and not your average guy. Yet this is the archetype they always lean on for the male advantage. Not saying the avg 30+ yr old can’t get dates, but they won’t be able to compete for attractive college girls.
@@Jay-ef2ii You definitely don’t need to be a Chad to get women. However, as you age, it becomes a bigger liability. It definitely becomes trickier past 35 unless you have insane status as aging accelerates rapidly. I’d argue for the average guy, the golden window is 23-28 for dating: -You are young enough to largely have your looks intact -T levels still there -You can likely have some money and your own place -Women don’t see you as a teen the way they do at 18-21 (outside college girls)
"Nobody" ever said, teenage/college girls will be attracted to you when you grow older. Nobody, therefore I don't get why Wheat waffle made that into an argument. But those girls get out of college and get older. When they get in their later 20's they do settle down with a 35 year old man who is established. If a woman is 35, her opportunities have extremely deteriorated for marriage.
There's always exceptions to the rule. But I agree that most men do not age like fine wine. In any case, humanity would get a boost if young women got together with older men that physically held up. We could raise the mortality age by fifty years in a few generations and greatly reduce health problems. Unfortunately, this wouldn't work for women as their eggs would expire.
I been knowing this whole “women like older men” talking point was a cope because when I was in my early 20’s I smashed a few older chicks who where in their 30’s and 40’s that had older boyfriends and they had way more money than me..and plus me myself when I was 28yr and my girlfriend at the time was 27yr and she cheated on me with a 19yr …wake up fellas women always going to go for the best looking option..
Funny. I had the exact opposite experience. If I got left or cheated on it was always older guys. And my girlfriends usually complained that I was too young. Can't confirm
@@tonysnow2224 No. They were in all cases way more ugly. That's the funny thing. They were older and uglier. Maybe the insecurity of women plays a big role in this
A 35 year old man is the equivalent of a 30 year old woman. I always say it. They literally face the same problem. It's not that both can't get a partner. It's that they can't get a GOOD partner, and it's difficult for them to see that fact, because it pours salt to the wound that is their sunk-cost.
No. Just no. A woman still has way more options than a guy. Also it depends on the guy. The average 35 year old is not going to look like a 35 year old chad who takes care of himself and has good aging genetics.
@@loserinmomsbasement3985you’re absolutely right . I looked back at my photos in my late teens and 20’s and the difference is astounding lol. Also , most men are not aging like fine wine due to the high consumption of processed foods
A good looking guy at 35, who didn't get fat and stayed in shape, can much more easily find a 30 year old woman to marry, than a 35 year old woman who was good looking at 25 years old. This good looking 35 year old woman will still get a lot of sexual attention, but marriage will be much, much more difficult unless she goes for much older men.
@@ScorpionSuerte This. Most guys here have no or little experience with women and only theorize. In my experience nobody gives a s*it about age, if you don't make a big deal out of it yourself. People only care how old you look, if anything. I just take care of myself and try to keep my biological age young. Heck even I don't really care about the womans age. I've seen 40 year old looking women who are just 18 and 40 year old women who look 22. Nowadays I just look if she is pretty, if she has kids and how her personality is. Often I only give attention to her age on the second or third date. And often I forget her exact age. People who care too much about age are usually very insecure and close minded and better to be avoided.
people actually believe rich coper is rich and he slays. why do they believe it? because he tells them. If you were rich why would you bother with a mgtoe channel and waste hours of your life every week ranting about women and shilling pheromone soap
Rollo has done a lot of good bringing human psychology to men. Stuff that has been known for 100 years but which men have been ignorant of. Copper is another story whose past his expiration point.
It's out of order. They are selling cope to depressed men, cope is a nice high but with a terrible crushing low. Beta bucks guys used to be a thing because women would compete for them, but they don't even need beta bucks anymore in this new modern world.
That last minute was golden I have the same philosophy about discipline women and money the best time is always now. If you don’t seize the moment I or someone else will and we wont give it back and no one will help you get it
I definitely agree that men do not age like fine wine, but I do think that people have alot more control over their biological age rather then their chronological age. The reason people say a man peaks later in life is because they have built up more money and status and smv is looks, money, and status not just looks and nothing else, If a man who is 25 years old builds himself up and takes care of himself to where he looks young for his age he could still be equally as attractive at 35 as he was at 25, and with more money and stability his smv would be much higher at 35 than at 25, but if he looses his looks he’ll definitely go down in smv and eventually everyone ages and his looks will deteriorate eventually no matter what he does, and I think women will choose a a man who is more financially stable compared to a man who is less financially stable regardless of their age if they are equally as good looking. A young woman in her prime will only choose the 35 year old man over the 25 year old man is the 35 year old man has more money and is more financially stable and is still just as good looking as the 25 year old and hasn’t lost his looks yet.
So men peaking at 35 could actually be true if he is still as attractive as he was at 25 but if he’s lost his looks then no. I think a man’s peak is probably between 25 and 35, but then declines rapidly after 35, that’s if he takes care of himself.
Also because women will date men up to 10 years older than them if they’re attracted to them and the man hasn’t lost his looks, and women are usually still at their peak at 25.
I agree with you, I’m older and I can verify that wømen treat me completely differently. It isn’t just about dating either, even basic niceness is rare. Surprisingly, at least for me, is that other men too also treat me far worse than I used to get treated when I was young. It’s gotten so bad, that I’d rather not even work around other people anymore. Just work jobs where I’m by myself, it’s not that I don’t want to be with others, it’s that I’m tired of being treated like shít just because of my age and the way I look.
I’m 32 blk male and on Facebook dating 95 percent of women that like me are my age and older ..rarely match with younger women…also I was rejected by a 21 year old in person and the reason she gave was your too old lol..she was average at best..
You need to live in a third world country of you want to date a significantly younger woman. When I lived in Colombia I met an elderly many who was astute and successful who was looking for an 18 year old to marry. She was just at the Prom last month! These guys think their life experience is what makes them attractive. The woman are just telling them what they want to hear so these men will be their 'starter husbands'.
U should do a video about the best strategy for a man regading what data shows, that will enlighten a lot of young poeple and stop the fine eine cope bringing some reality
Idk, i still see old guys getting with college aged girls. The thing is that women will always judge pictures of men harshly no matter how high quality unless the pic meets every criteria for a certain woman. Meanwhile if they happen to meet in person, dudes can pull more than doing it online. Also depends because women give specific answers if cameras are in their face in contrast to how they would act when living their lives, especially when their friends are not around. Which is important that she is not with her friends when you first meet one so they dont cockblock you. Thats when she gets to drop the bomb on her friends that she is with an older dude, because they werent there to poison her mind against you.
Being able to manipulate someone (whose rational/ logical frontal lobe of the brain isn’t properly formed yet) into being with you, is NOT and never will be a flex 😅🥱
Men can date down in terms of age but you’ll never see huge gaps unless the dude has really high status. Like no 35 year old man is going to date an 18 year old girl. He could probably get a 27 year old girl but probably not any lower. Girls don’t scout out for 50 year old rich guys (some do, but as a wallet to drain)
I would say he could get alittle younger than 27 but definitely not 18, I’d say 23 is probably the youngest he could get and that’s if he takes care of himself, 25 is probably even more reasonable to get since it’s only 5 years. But 22 or younger absolutely not unless he’s high status or has a-lot of money.
The age acts as a filter for the most clever women ... and their primary instinct is to mate with a partner with an exceptional genetic ... and it is much easier to identify that kind of men when they are older ... It seems counter intuitive but in fact there is a logic linked to the scarcity of chads over forties ... The men who are successful are the most intelligent ones , we are not talking of potentials here, they shine at 40 ... and those who are in shape and have kept a high level of attractivity at 40 are the ones with the best genetics because testosterone affects your immune system in the long run and keeping a high testoterone level at that age is very costful and consequently rare...no more pretty boys or chadlites here, only the real chads emerge .... Here is the real reason why some young women chase that kind of men ... Moreover, that kind of men are more prone to settle ..
its more about looking old than being old, i doubt theyd reject chris hemsworth or michele morrone (considering looks alone with no status) if you're 25 and look ugly/old still brings you down. sadly most blokes dont look good at that age
I watch both you and the fine wine copers. You both have valid ideas. I’m 33 and I would have to agree with your statement. Dating gets much harder as you age. Unless you are top 1%
If u were a chad in your twenties, there is a chance you will get good dating results in your thirties with women who are 8-10 years younger than you. But if you were a normie, you just bring yourself into a delusion that you can TRULY attract a 8-10 years younger female with your status, money in your 30-40s. Im a 37 years old normie, I've been in different relationships for overall 8-9 years but I've had long years of dry spells and struggling in my late 30s as well. I was quite blue pilled during the 2010s (anyway the dating situation was just started to get worse from 2014-2015). I have discovered black pill and started looksmaxing this year, but as an ageing normie I will be fully satisfied if i could get good dating results in the age group of 34-40. It is better to choose realistic goals.
Another point that gets left behind in the monk mode “forget about women, chase the bag and then get them all in your 30s” crew: Most people, statistically speaking, won’t ever be rich. Thus, even If I agreed that their prescription works, it’ll be a moot point for 90% of guys who will get to their 30s with no significant wealth and no dating success.
You can get good women as you age, but it’s different game. You’re early 20s may be best time to meet and marry someone if that’s what you’re after just because people are available and unattached at that age.
Actually, I have no idea what anyone should do, it's a minefield out there, but I would say the older everyone gets the more jaded they get and the harder it gets to really genuinely commit to another person. @@AndreiGeorgescu-j9p
As an old man, you can expect an old lady. The better you are off with looksmaxxing and financially, the higher quality the lady will be. But dont expect a 20y old lady when you are 40 unless ur Leonardo Dicaprio level
I once used to have a co-worker in his late 50s, good looking of couse, we went to bars and he had the same success as I did in my early 30s. Now I'm in my early 40s understand why that was the case. Dating in my 20s was miserable compared to what I get now. I'm not saying all men age like fine wine, but if you take care of yourself, you'll be amazed how much easier dating gets as you age.
Let’s just be honest:if you got a good physique,money,a car,a house and a well maintained face you will do the best YOU can at an older age. You potentially will not do better than a younger Chad but you can still get better results than if you didn’t have the aforementioned things. A younger Chad is the epitome of male attractiveness(regardless of resources),let’s just not beat around the bush. Every other combination or derivation from that is beneath that. If you’re older and getting women WITHOUT resources like a car or house(muscles/a good physique do not count) then that means you fit the exception not the rule.
You cant age like fine wine if you leave the open pail sitting in the sun for 20 years. I'm one of those bottles. So was my older brother. So are my single friends my age. We are in our late 50's and my friends don't understand why I don't ever date college age girls like they do, I only date women over 30 and they are still often younger than my daughters. I was social my whole life, built my first business with an eight thousand dollar bank loan while I was in college, bartended, lectured, practiced law, was an infantryman, competed in boxing and mma, but mainly had fun and kept making new friends and girlfriends and kept them in my life, and my daily calendar is still full to this day. You dont just suddenly step out after 20 years as a hermit with your rolex and your porche and have young girls dropping their panties. Everything starts with being a person people admire, with age you have had more time to accumulate those traits. More experiences, jokes, wisdom, human interactions, basically life. But if you spent all that time living in a boring way, you'll just be a boring old man. Plus, if you ever let your fitness go, forget it. Even at my age I have thick muscles, 12% bodyfat and do fitness coaching as part of my career. My friends my age run marathons, bike everywhere, train in martial arts, rock climb, hike, and meet a lot of young women doing those things as a bonus. My good friend who is sixty just married his 30 year old wife in November, she is cute as hell and they are having their first child soon, she's a public schoolteacher and loves hiking and biking like he does. This was long, but basically if you "wait" til you're my age you won't have anything to offer but your age, and that alone ain't worth much. When you're old, youll never look back and say "man, I wish I'd accomplished less".
Looks: attraction Money:freedom Status: girls Game (social skills): friends You do this by taking the faith pill by accepting Jesus into your heart. When you do this Jesus changes your life he turns you from a boy into a man, not just religion but spiritual, emotional, financial, social, mental and physical well being. This is the way back to God and a new life. God bless you.
Resources and confidence comes with age so I wouldn't disqualify the fine wine theory. Yeah, it's true you probably can't get 18 year old hotties when you're 35-50 years old but if you go for little older women, 25-30 or even 30-35 there will still be hot girls that you can acquire more easily because of your age advantage.
Can you explain why most desired and sexiest men in Hollywood reached peak attractiveness in their late twenties to early 30’s? Ian Somerhalder, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Brad Pitt, Zac Efron, Sebastian Stan, Jason Mamoa, Jon Hamm, Cilian Murphy all had girls creaming over them when they were ages 28-35. The ages of major male leads are usually in this age range as well.
It depends on how you treat yourself from a young age till your 30s. If you are an unatractiv fat slop in the age of 35 you will surely not attract some beautiful girls. If you are in shape and have your money right it´s much easier. The reason why this college girls reject this older man is because of social pressure in this feminist environment.
@@ModelJames13stop being a weirdo, calling having an age preference being prejudice is weird af. You’ve aged out of young woman’s age preference, get over it
As a person who’s been following wheat waffles for almost a year (inconsistently) I can say that he has some good points Like he bashes dating apps with data and evidence But Sometimes and now I guess most of the times He just claims something And brings up a really small pool of evidence He said in the other video that the average man is a 3 on the eyes of the average woman His evidence? A video he made asking 10 college girl to rank some pictures I mean I’m not a research professor but that’s not how it’s done And even doing that video contradicts your own sayings I swear I’ve heard him saying that don’t get women’s ratings and what they say about dating serious A college girl might rank a man lower in a RUclips video Simply to showcase and make herself look better They might be playing hard to get I could make a list It’s like women describing their ideal men And he’s this much tall That much worth I’ve seen women claiming the ideal height is 6 foot Yet their boyfriend or husband is 5’8 We even do it ourselves We might have an idea of the perfect girl Doesn’t really mean if she doesn’t fit all of the boxes we wouldn’t be attracted to her And a lot the ppl that watch your channel, including me at some point Use all the things you say As an excuse to not work hard Not try Think of women as demons It’s really an alienation A lot of times you claim something and then use a tik tok video from from a Jane doe to support it Maté that’s not how it works And this video Everybody knows that men age way better than women I don’t know if their prime is in their twenties or in their thirties But what was the last time you heard a 23 old woman dating a 30 year old man? I bet not that long ago Now imagine the other way around It’s just way more rarer
Wheat is brilliant, but still a *really* young guy. I think that, as he ages, he will change his perspective. Of course, he is right that there is no "male advantage" at any age. But I think he's too fixated on what attracts women in their early 20s.
Great video love your content A) But I would add this depends on location. You don’t need to be in 3rd world country Even poor area / city of 1st world country a guy with lambo would stand out B) it’s a niche market for these older rich guys & majority will reject them They wouldn’t do well on tinder but need to know the girl from somewhere else Off the boat europeAn or Puerto Rican are more likely to do it vs white America girls C) also sugar dating has become more common as a lot of these 40-50 year olds with money don’t want to get married Sites like seeking These older guys don’t want to admit it but they are basically paying for it 90 percent of time even if they didn’t meet from sugar site But you are correct Cooper makes it out like college girls would rather hang out with bold 50 year old. He is also very bitter towards women
A 40 year old man can find under 30 years old woman to marry. The age disparity is why “age as fine wine” works. An over 30 years old woman is unlikely to ever marry. For men, his marriage options is no better or worse as he ages, but can improve if he makes an effort. As for whether he turns into a Chad, that’s unlikely, but some get more action than when he was in his 20s. A survey on women is hard to know. Trust what they do instead of what they say. College women are the most privileged so they are the most selective.
I'm 36 and I agree that it's a reach to think that you're going to have a relationship with girls that are 10-15 years younger, because the data doesn't demonstrate that. I think there are girls that will hook up with older guys, for sure, mainly because there may be some socioeconomic aspect there or some other personal issues. I do however think that if you're really well put together and not a slob, you can date women close to 30 at say 36-38. You just have more experience with women after so much time, and I think you can offer more compared to when you were 25. The issue is that women over 30 are incredibly picky and hard to deal with, so it's not ideal to be a single guy in your mid 30s. All I can say is you better have everything maxed out.. looks, physique, income, or whatever you think is important. Personally I'm 6'2" (1.88m), muscular, have an above average face and have a top 10% income, but I wouldn't say dating has been great. But again, this is because the women around that 30 year old mark are just extremely hard to deal with. I think that's the most important point.
@@ModelJames13 I would agree with you, although I would add it's mainly single women without kids that are just difficult. What I mean by difficult is that they're just not as chill as they were when they were 27, extremely picky and just harder to build rapport and attraction with. I think there are reasonable women over 30 that are at that age because maybe they broke up with their second boyfriend because it just wasn't working out, and they may be completely decent. Even then, they're going to pick you apart for whatever 'thing' they don't like about you, and it doesn't have to be a major flaw. I think Waffles is right, if you're in your mid 30s you really need to be solid, I would say top 10-20% in everything that matters (looks, physique, income, game, social skills) so that you can at least try and get through to a girl maybe in her early 30s. Only guys that are really good looking (say top 5%) can actually entertain the idea of a real relationship with a girl 8-15 years younger.
@@Marsupial2054Even with "good looks" it doesn't matter. The age prejudice of women will destroy all good things. This past summer I went up to some chick at the gym and introduced myself and asked her out right then. She immediately said yes before I could barely finish what I was saying. With that high level of interest I thought I had hit the jackpot. But before I got her out on that date she found out my age and reversed decision and called it off. Just like that. I didn't know it was so important to find a wife in your 20's or that women were so age prejudiced, but I guess time is up now. 😎
I totally agree with you. I got lucky and found a good woman a year younger than me. I'm 39, she's 38 and is pretty decent, educated, chill, good with money, decent job, and we have a kid on the way. But I think I was just super lucky and my situation is a rare case. My fiancee also only had 2 serious boyfriends pior to me. I was dating other women before her and you do get a lot more hookups in your 30s, but it's a nightmare if you are dating for the purpose of marriage or a long term relationship. I've seen a few buddies of mine fall for this fine wine theory and have failed dealing with immature women in their 20s.
You left out I think the biggest reason this is particularly bad advice: The undeniable fact that your social circle shrinks as you age and you have fewer opportunities to be around attractive women. Being in college is literally one of the few times in life when as a male you will have a gender ratio in your favor, so you will have a lot of options, and more opportunities to meet women through friends and other social activities.
For me, not even in college. I went to a prestigious global top 30 STEM school, out of 50 students there were 2 girls. When I am not in class I had to spent 20 hours a week doing labs and design projects. The grand number of girls I could date was *zero* . Yes, I make over 100k per year, but in the dating arena I am in homeless status. STEM = 💀
@AthenaCannon now search in the business and by the firm. But smart so you do not poison the pond. Visiting female tech and doctors from abroad e.g
i think the fine wine thing only applies to the top percentile of men.....like the cream of the crop
Wheatwaffles is totally wrong about Rollo's book, and its clear he hasnt read it. If he had read it he wouldnt even dare to call it irrelevant 😂
ps. and Roll's 2nd book, Preventive Medicine, is even better than the 1st
Wheatwaffles is very hypocritical in this video. He might as well be Justpearlythings
The Fine Wine Copers should be fine if their aim is to appeal to the cougar market or simply to focus on self-improvement.
I once left a comment on his channel expressing the sentiment that it's rather delusional to think that a woman who wasn't genuinely interested/physically attracted to you in your twenties would become so when you approach your fifties, just because you have nice toys in your garage and your finance are in order. At best, she may settle for the security you provide, but she will end up resenting sharing a bed with you while thinking about one of her exes or the guy she couldn't have.
Women respond to confidence and charisma in real life. On a dating app it is purely physical looks since you can't feel confidence and charisma like in real life. looks are important as well, but they mean nothing without confidence and charisma.
@@williamwallace410 Finally a comment I can agree with.
They will become more attracted to you if you aquire status and/or pre-selection. These are scientifically proven attractive traits in men. A man is able to improve his status as he ages.
Why would anyone even want to date a 50 year old woman from your childhood when you're 50 anyway? Who even thinks about old women.
Oh great, that hot 20 year old that rejected me 30 years earlier, she wants me now when she's a fat old hag. Who cares? Why would you even be keeping in touch with people who rejected you 30 years ago? That's mgtow coper level insanity.
@@williamwallace410if you are ugly and confident, women will call cops
I went to my 20 year reunion this summer…and I can assure you the men didn’t age like fine wine 😅
Because they don't take care of themselves. It is obvious that when people say "men age like fine wine", they have Jared Leto in mind, not some random, 40 y.o. fat guy. lol
@@rysiokowalski7194 Racja, ale tak czy siak najczęściej dobrze się wygląda w młodym wieku niż starszym( chyba że ktoś dopiero zaczął dbac o siebie w późniejszym) Idealnymi przykładami się modele. W ogromnej większości wyglądają najlepiej w młodym wieku niż starszym.
@@rysiokowalski7194 Jared Lato is literally a vegan though. He has an extreme diet, how many men have this diet? Like 0.00001%
@@rysiokowalski7194 Part true, but even if they did take care of themselves, they would only be able to slay women their age.
@@animequenchers That certainly isn't the case. Just coming from gym, flirting with a 20 year old and guess what, this is happening pretty often (and also scoring). I even could pick the relationship with a women 15 years younger without big problem.
Most 30-40 year old men (and above) just have ZERO maintenance. If you look like a normie and have never put in the work for having a fit body, you will have to date your age and let's face it, a good amount of men don't even get that!
But seen on your nerdy "anime"-name, one already can guess what type of guy you are. 😂
True attraction is 100% based on Physical Appearance. Age is not a huge factor in itself, but rather because it has impact on looks. Someone who is Chad at 40 year old will mog a 17 year old normie any day. However, the "Fine Wine Copers" are nowhere close to Chad, nor the 99% male population is.
That's the biggest thing. Literally none of the fine wine copers are actually chads and most of them have fairly underwhelming results in terms of preserving whatever looks they did have. Rollo and Rich Coper don't have particularly impressive physiques and haven't done much to reverse aging. Meanwhile, compare that to a dude like Greg Doucette. Guy breaks up with his hot blond girlfriend and gets an even younger hotter Chinese girlfriend like a month later and he's 47... I could maybe take Coper/Rollo and the gang somewhat seriously if they actually took their fitness seriously, managed hair loss, and invested in cosmetic operations but they don't because they're lazy copers who just want to hate on women rather than actually do anything to be more attractive.
isnt greg like 5´4?@@VastChoirs
@@VastChoirsTom Cruise Brad Pitt are definitely way way past their prime by a mile so is Leonardo DiCaprio & Dwayne Johnson there past his prime aswell just to name a few but they still have lots of money
5'6. Slaying from his mid 30s to his late 40s. I'm not disagreeing with WW's video at all. Most of the people who actually aged like fine wine don't make shitty videos about men aging like fine wine and just pursued really physically intense athletic hobbies. Royal Tomato and Richard Coper give lip service to "going to the gym" but do almost nothing to actually improve or maintain their looks with age. It's hypocritical.@@fab2907
Exactly.
Neither they have a personal charisma ,lifestyle or connections that would perhaps give them an advantage. W e are talking about average people here.
Ja. Listening to these 50+ greybeards talk about avoiding single moms just by dating twenty-somethings.
As if it's that easy. Sorta like shopping for groceries. Just buy the good stuff, is all you have to do.
I can't see any woman under the age of 40 being even remotely interested in dating one of these greybeards.
At least, any woman without an ulterior motive. I.E. not being a gold digger.
It’s easy but they’re calling being a sugar daddy “dating” that’s what they’re delusional about
Red pill is just more prevalent because it gives average and below average guys hope. Another example is Fresh and Fit where the main guy constantly says that men reach their peak at 35.
Strength-wise yes. Usually between 28-38). But pace, acceleration, condition men are peaking in their mid 20s. This is actually irrelevant as the drop is not that massive - about 20%. The issue is when we compare how big risk is for injury and health issues. This is the factor which stops most men to be extremely fit and strong in their 30s
Not to sound racist but truth be told ,Tyrone's tend to age better and can actually retain their youthful appearance much longer .
This js actually scientifically proven fact .
Infact Tyrones in their 30s can score women who are in ther 20s . So Wheat Waffle's argument in this video applies mostly to Chad's ethnicity. Whom ,with all due respect ,never really age too well .
The only thing that can ruin Tyrone is mostly weight gain .
@Hunkzilla Where is your evidence that “Tyrone” outperforms “Chads” as he ages? What absolute nonsense. The best looking older men are all Chads race. Most men age poorly though, a tiny fraction will age gracefully.
Men do peak at 35. Because your career, wisdom peak at 45, while your physical health and intelligence peak at 25, you take the average where you are rich enough but still good looking enough and you get the magical number of 35.
In terms of beta bucks yes! 35yr old will be a better provider than a 25yr old but not in terms of attractiveness
How anyone can belive that your body cells that are getting weaker and inferior would make you more attractive lmao
This so much, aging literally means you have dead proteins, messed up DNA and inflammatory fat hanging all over your wrinkly and baggy skin, muscles and intestines. Who in their right mind likes that 😆
Because typically those signs have been associated with wisdom and stableness in men.
😂
@@joojoojeejee6058 How does wisdom and stableness affect your physical attractiveness? 💀
@@LOL_MANN The point is, having some grey hair or wrinkles isn't necessarily very unattractive in men. Which isn't really rocket science. They are much more unattractive in women.
Beauty is subjective, but ugliness and mediocracy is not.
That's a new quote but absolutely true
@@rishabhpandey3069 yep, I have invented it since copers think, that if beauty is subjective then maybe there will be someone who will find them attractive. But I`d say that you must be attractive in the first place and only then girls will subjectively decide if you match their type.
@@dziugasluscinskas5742 absolutely spot on.Don't mind me using this quote at other places
@@dziugasluscinskas5742mediocrity or cracy?
If beauty is subjective then ugliness is also subjective
Dating for me has always been a very tiring job with poor results. But after the age of 35 it became impossible. Women over a certain age are even more picky and selective than young one, they want the "businessman", not only attractive, but also rich. While in youth you can afford to be a little more easygoing, at this age you have to be perfect, flawless.
if i fail dating at my 20s then i better kms then.
Women over 30 already are undesirable as marriage prospects so being selective worsens their chances. So you’re not missing out. Men still have the same odds of getting married since they don’t age out of it until well after 50.
True! All true!
@@nack8310 This idea that men look good well into their 50's is largely cope. Most men look awful by 35.
@@Krelian4400 Women don’t select men on looks alone. There’s money, status, and age, which are all above her level. Her looks will be worsen as she ages so they will be at parity.
The Wall is a way for desperate men to cope with being sent their own way. Most women still have infinite SMV in their 30's and 40's. The only thing that changes for them is they might not be able to pull Chad anymore.
Most men lose what little SMV they have once they hit their 30's. That's why men past 30 need to rely on resources (money, high status job) to pull women once they are older.
On a side note I check ID's constantly as part of my job. The VAST majority of couples are either the same age or maybe the guy is 2-3 years older. Age gaps where the guy is pulling a hot girl much younger than him are extremely rare.
That's the point. Men are not hard limited by age, there are other factors that you can grow while getting older. women on the other hand are hard limited by their age in general.
Even Chad will hit up the 40/50 year old whamen on a slowTuesday.
@@robertnewett5932 Chads will believe it once they are old and wrinkled! Smiling :-)
You couldn’t hold a 5 minute conversation with a woman but you know all the ins and outs when it comes to dating😂
Then you should also know that not every guy a young girl dates is some chad lmao you blackpill coper
It's true. I'm 32 I look 10 years younger, im not balding with young face. Even when I talked to like 18-19 yo girls and they liked me, the moment I speak my age it's an instant turn off at least in Germany, its fine when i lie and tell im like 25. Thinking hot young girls will throw themselves at you past 30 is a huge coppeee, this number is big for most of young chicks. Realistically woman from age 25 up is the target
Same experience. They are so age prejudiced. 😎
@@ModelJames13 yep but copers gonna cope
Dude, same...31 looking like 19....Not ugly, not at all. But Women in my Age Bracket don`t see me as a Man, but a Boy. Still lie about my Age from time to time.
I guess it depends on who you speak to and what you look like. I went through a massive lifestyle change in 2019 when I was 28/29 and I had received attention from a couple of young girls who tried to make it obvious that they were interested in me. That was here in the UK and I never had this sort of attention given to me before all the positive changes I made. And I didn't look all the different before. I just lacked so much confidence and dressed poorly.
When I went to Switzerland for a couple of days for a short trip I had numerous girls approaching me in the same manner and made it a lot more obvious that they were attracted to me than those in the UK. The youngest being 18 and she was persistent even after immediately knowing that I was 29 at the time. Like I said it depends on multiple factors. The guy who was giving me a tour around the country for a few days was a family friend and due to his nature he was accompanied by his friends who seemed like a humble bunch including that one girl who was deeply attracted to me. I don't think turning 30 is the the be-all and end-all as you're alluding to. It may matter to the deviant and narcissistic kinds who you don't really want anyway.
Bear in mind that I was unemployed at the time when I was in Switzerland so money and social status clearly weren't a factor in all of this. Nor did my looks play a pivitol role since I know I'm an average or below-average-looking guy in general. I don't have a masculine jawline, I believe I'm like 5ft 7", have a noticable gap between my two front teeth and they aren't pearly white either. I'm ethnically a black guy of African descent so make of that what you will.
If ur fine enough they dont rly care...
But bru in this "world" just identify as younger 🤣 thats ur right
Youth is an essential element of beauty. Both men and women's primary filter for judging the SMV of potential mates is LOOKS (beauty).
I never bought into this BS. I'm a 6'1 chad (or Tyrone cause I'm black). Used to play the field but decided to settle down ASAP. Cause playing the field will cost you later in your life. These 35 year olds are gonna be step dads at best or remain single and die alone (which I still dont think is ideal for men even though we promote it in the west).
YOU are a wise man. I salute you. 👍
Yo, Lil Drippa
Let’s kick it like the old days and “play the field” me and you brother….You ask chicks for a lighter, and I swoop in quoting the GTA IV cheat codes off by Heart “x,x,L1,L2,L2,L1,y,b,b,a,x”
I'm 42. When I was 35 I was slaying way more than 25.
@@ScorpionSuertebecause you were paying for it
@@briskettacos So bored with incels and b/@q men who think you need to pay girls to fancy you. Giga cringe.
Gotta agree with Mr. Waffles here. The Manosphere quite often touts that a woman's prime is around 23yo while a man's prime is roughly 38yo. However what they fail to mention is that both those people in their "prime" aren't necessarily dating each other. You'd think they would be, but that's not reality. In the real world, people generally date and get into relationships with people around their own age (plus or minus a few years), both men and women. Of course there are some relationships with a large age gap, but I'd reckon that's not the norm. And an even bigger outlier are older men with significantly younger women. A 22yo woman in her prime is going to want a 23-24yo chad, not a 36yo man (regardless what he has going for him).
However, I will say that a 25yo normie is going to have lots of difficulties in the dating market because he doesn't have much to offer, not looks, barely any finances, and little status. However that same normie at 35yo could have "leveled-up" a bit and gained some financial success and status, and hopefully his looks have still kept up with his age. His 35yo self will undoubtedly do much better than his 25yo self with dating overall, comparatively he'll have more options at 35yo. BUT he won't be dating the 22yo hottie, even less so at 35yo. He never really had a chance unless he was a chad OR he had insane status (celebrity) or money. People like Russell Brand are outliers. A well-kept 35yo normie with his shit together is mostly dating women in their early 30s or late 20s at best.
Of course, that's exactly their point. Nobody said the 22 yo college girls are going to throw themselves.
This is the correct, nuanced outlook. Girls in their absolute prime (early to mid twenties) are largely reserved for winners of the genetic lottery or celebrities/athletes etc. As these girls get older and less desired by the top men, more normal guys can gain access to them through their own lower levels of wealth, status etc. if they've stayed at the top of their game for years.
Yeah in middle age my male advantage is that I can date better looking women, a few years younger than me, than I could in my 20s. I never could date good looking 20 somethings (apart from a couple foreigners when I was early 40s, and they were just one date no action).
It definitely is very nice being with a beautiful 48 year old btw, much better than a fat plain 26 year old - sadly I married the latter 😅
@johnsampson6387 You mean their standards have become more realistic. You say it like the men are all losers
Agreed. I only levelled up at age 34 and my youngest love interest is 28 . So yep ,its totally delusional to expect myself to score a 22 year old .
Nobody should forget that Rollo is married to a woman 5 years his SENIOR and that Rich Cope was married to a single mother with several children from another man.
Are you sure about Rich? He dated a single mom. But I never read his ex wife brought previous children into his marriage.
Basic rule of statistics: "the exception to the rule does not negate the rule"
the success of the top 0.01% men after they hit 30 does not mean the average man can achieve that.
the only way for you to have such abundance past your 30's would be for you to already be a chad, then achieve top 0.1% money/status.
while its possible, the mere fact that you still have to be very good looking for this to work makes this a stupid thought for the average man to have.
and if you are the type of man that is already attractive enough to pull off this type of 30+ abundance, then there isn't any reason you cant just dominate the dating market in your 20's anyways.
moral of the story: you probably will never reach the "male advantage", so don't wait around building yourself up in your 20's expecting to dominate the dating market then. do the best that you can starting NOW
This video will age like fine wine 😂
I once knew a guy who believed this. He ended up falling down a well (literally).
Let that be a warning to all of you who do believe it.
Now I want to know more...
This is why you have to try and retain a youthful appearance for as long as possible
Boots number 7 future renew danage reversal
Doesn’t matter, can’t change your bio age
@ You’re telling me it doesn’t matter if you’re 50 look 25? And yes that is possible humans are really suppose to live past 100 some people have great genetics and live that long anyway eating a mediocre diet with little exercise
I see where you are coming from and agree with some points (especially with the opinion of those influencers).
On the other hand I can share you my experience as a 38, years old guy:
- my sexual and physical peak was between 22-28
- my physical attracticeness peaked between 28-34
- my finances starting peaking now (38 and forward)
I wouldn't say that all of this fine wine is a myth. To understand it lets focus on few key factors:
- you need to age well and young to be attractive to younger females
- the best time to look for serious relationship is in your 25-28 range.Next one is NOW. Most of my friends early relationships died, most who started there are happily married.
- online dating decade ago was actually a thing, but there was no online hypergamy as today
- online dating in your 30s is a nightmare. You most likely will end up swiping tall single mothers who couldn't marry as ALL the girls goes for tall guys regardless of their height xD
- if you really struggled with sex in tour 20s you most likely will get more of that in your 30s
- as I mentioned previously: you need to be really attractive to get attention of girls 10+ years younger rhan you. If you look like old 40-something in your 30s, you wont get 20'something
- if you are attractive, intelligent and have your money, you have chance to attract young sexy womanz the issue is quality of them - most for sex
- it is difficult to realize that "find true love" time is most likely over. Same as friendships - the bonding is mostly in your 20s. Other thing to mention - your emotional level will drop. Life is tough and it might be more difficult to fall in love, even with attractive girl
That said - I am not looking doe serious relationship now. I still grinding, but doing this for myself. I look really young (28, being 38). And at first glance its great as I know many balding guys in their 20s who look older than me. On the other hand. There is a risk that girl seeing that there is two-digit number gap between you two - will decide to pass.
The whole myth is based on the fact that women value declines with time and that mans value decrease decelerate comparably after 22-28. Realistically you can find a women 5-8 younger than you and create relationship.everythin over that is often beta-buxing. Sad but true
It’s over, most women regardless of age don’t want you. But it’s especially over for you with dating/being in a relationship with a hot young woman
Those guys are grifting on failing 40 and 50 y men. Let's call it what it is: Rage Pillers. They're feeding and profiting on rage. Their ultimate illusion is the revenge-fantasy where women are going to pay for their bad life choices. A 50 y woman on tinder gets more play than an average 30 y guy. Let that sink in.
Their audience is mostly guys under 30.
Someone once uploaded a photo of a dog on tinder and got more matches than the average guy.
sorry i dont waste my time tindering with 50 y.o women
Mgtow copers are the ones who dream about rejecting a woman who rejected them 30 years prior
This is delusional and, frankly, is just simping undercover.
Women DO pay for their bad choices.
A 50 yr old woman on tinder gets play from losers she doesn't want. Not men she actually desires.
This is just a male despondent view that women somehow, always, neverendingly, have the upper hand.
This is ret@rded.
There is no world in which a 50 yr old single woman is in a better way than a man of any age lower than 65.
Statistics can give people an idea of what's going on in society but it's not the determining factor of what one's life will be like. I'm a black 33-year-old UK citizen and when I was 28/29 I decided to change my lifestyle after rotting away living as a hermit since I was 19 or 20. I wasn't able to cope with being single at that young age which led me to give up on life so early. So in recent years I started to eat healthy meals, took vitamin supplements, went to the gym every other day and worked a full-time 12-hour manual labour shift which was excruciating and demoralising when you see the condition of the workplace and the kind of people I had to work with.
After 6 months, I noticed how I started to get attention from girls that were much younger than me. I'm talking late teens/early 20s. I did get in better shape by acquiring a lean body but I wasn't all that big to begin with - just skinny fat with a belly. The attention I got was even more prominent when I took a trip to Switzerland for a few days with a couple of girls trying to make it obvious that they wanted to be approached. One girl who was 18 was pretty persistent with me and ignored the other dude who was around her age and was attempting to make moves on her. I even got matched so quickly on dating apps when I was there which was never a thing for me in the UK.
The issue I've been witnessing on the dating market over the last few years comes down to a bunch of things. One of which is that Western girls in general have become highly egotistical due to their undeniable privilege. The MeToo movement along with other things have made it significantly worse for men in general. Men like me who are only interested in long-term relationships with girls who haven't had all that much experience with other guys have virtually no chance in the West. We're just better off finding someone in South America or Asia. The women there, even if they aren't exactly pure in the sense of being virgins and such, are still in touch with their femininity, which is something that can't be said for the majority of Western women.
But the other problem lies in this whole community and I have to be quite frank about this. The whole hooking-up culture is precisely why we're in this mess to begin with. People can't seem to settle with just one person which is highly problematic. Men in the redpill community typically use the excuse that we can go from one girl to another without dealing with the kind of emotional baggage that girls usually end up with. But these are the same kind of men who later on reach a point where they become highly depressive and end up with existential crisis the moment they realise they're getting old. I've seen plenty of examples of that being the case.
While you appear to be bragging about your body count and how you're doing better off than all these older delusional men, this whole lifestyle of yours will bite you in the end when you come to the realisation that perhaps you should have stayed with that one girl who made you feel a certain way which others weren't able to. That one girl who made your life so much more meaningful.
In the end you're going to look back at all these fleeting moments of your one-night stands and short-term relationships and realise how pointless all of it was when you could have just spent most or all of your precious time creating beautiful memories with that one girl who is willing to avoid that promiscuous life just for you. It may sound like some fairy tale garbage to many of you but people were genuinely happier during these times when traditional values were celebrated and adultery was frowned upon. People decades ago married at a young age which I imagine helped them to avoid all of that temptation of lust and other forms of debauchery that is self-destructive. You may not get it now but someday you will.
Yes I get why that would be better. But first of all: No women did ever make me feel something special. In fact all of them just used me for sex and to brag with me to their girls. Those women just have nothing to offer nowadays. Nothing. Not even their bodies. Because the sex is shit as they never learned what intimacy is. I wanted to settle from about 16 onwards but it only caused me pain for about 10 years as thats not how women work. Now that I embraced a sex-first polygamous lifestyle everything is much easier. I still want long-term relationships if possible, but the competition anxiety keeps them in line. Its the reputation Ive always falsely carried with me and Im much more relaxed once I embraced it. Girls never wanted me to meet their female friends and made comments like “then go f*ck her” when I said that they looked cute in a picture. They hate to share, but at the same time they’d rather be my number 7 then to have some loser all for themself (Literally got told that). Its completely doomed for society at large I know but at the same time I cant do anything about it and Im not being miserable just for the sake of society.
It’s over, no young love or sex for you. It’s over for you
@@nevergiveupbaby1720 Lol is that all you took from my long-winded post? It's only over if you deem it that way. The problem about the black pill community is that they embrace defeatism and never give the alternative a chance. If you aren't changing your life for the better then of course it's going to be over.
It's all relative. Man's SMV increases almost automatically in relation to women of his own age, because of more favorable sex-ratio alone, especially if he takes good care of himself, unlike, perhaps most of the other men of his age. This doesn't mean that he would attract women that are 20-30 years younger than him. But speaking of "niche maxxing", isn't an older cool guy kind of a niche in itself?
A niche is an rare exception, sometimes yes but regularly no
@@sandwerlot1998 You only need to find one girl who finds the niche alluring. But you'd better be a cool older dude and not just old.
@featherfashion8065Richard Cooper probably qualifies... But I guess it can be subjective. The point is, you are different from the rest and stand out in a positive way.
@@joojoojeejee6058 the only time an older man is “cool” is if he’s also rich and has status. RC is still in good shape and has expensive cars and some limited fame but he cannot compete with a fit young full head of hair broke 25 year-old.
@@SweetCandy-x4j Perhaps he can't compete with a 25 yo. chad in general in regards to attracting very young women. But some young women can prefer the niche of an older cool guy. And then there's the whole demographic of a bit older women, 30+ or so... I mean 30 yo. is YOUNG from 50 yo. dude's perspective. It's not like a girl has to be 20 yo. to be attractive.
On a first date with a girl around age 25 I brought over the dark night rises, we were talking and I randomly asked her how attractive Christian Bale was in this movie and she said eww he's to old! Lol I thought she was joking at first but no she wasn't
I agree... to a point.
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People tend to generalize too much, especially if they benefit from the outcome.
"If (technique x) worked for them, then all I have to do is (technique x)."
That's far too simplistic of an approach and a complete waste of time.
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Are you famous, "Internet famous", or just a regular person?
Where are you looking? (Campus, Night Club, Apps)
What's the age difference?
What result are you looking for? (Hook-up, relationship, or wife)
What country are you from?
What country are you in?
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Copers, in all categories, tend to be hard set in their belief/style/technique.
There are far too many variables to be so hard set on one belief/style/technique.
To be fair, although rare, there are some guys that look handsomer in their late 20s and 30s. I had bad achane in my teen and in my early to mid-20s, but now 31 I have clear skin am 6 foot 1 and am very handsome. I still look like I am in my 20s. I sometimes get ID'ed in the beer store. And I have a full head of thick hair, weigh 224 pounds, and have very little body fat. I could tell everyone I am 24 and no one would question it.
When I was aged 19 - 25 I was most popular guy in college and uni, unfortunately a college friend (who tried but failed with women) got me into his religion and told me to ignore women even as friends, so I refused all there advances etc. I now regret it aged 33, so don't listen to these copers, they are the same as that college friend I listened too when young (in my real prime).
Sounds like an extremely homosexual religion. Or was your friend a mgtow coper?
I'll help you bro; quit consuming added sugars / simple carbs. Or at least significantly reduce them on most days. They destroy collagen production which is a big factor of physically aging you, internally and out. While you're on this new diet lifestyle make sure you consume a lot of vitamin C, it boost collagen production amongst many other benefits. Fruits are fine for this despite them having natural sugars, just don't do the fruit juice as it lacks the fibre that slows the sugar absorption. Also consume a full range of minerals daily, in this day and age just buy a supplement to help with this. And take an omega 3 supplement! Get proper sleep and stay physically active at the gym.
You will look better, age slower, and even 'reverse' the appearance and feeling of physical aging a bit. This all worked for me but definitely keep on researching and discovering new stuff like this.
Go get back out there bro
NOW I understand why you showed those university girls these older men. D'OH! As a 54-year-old myself, I agree - that "fine wine" thing is BS. Even as I took issue issue with the skewed sample I said then - and say here - a woman in her 20s would NOT be with a man my age or older unless it's a financial arrangement (aka a form of prostitution). I've done age gap relationships (the cougar/MILF thing). Age appropriate is the way to go. "Wall" irrespective. Even if the attraction is there, how does a woman in her 20s relate to a man two generations behind her???
Dude you put no effort in your weight, hair, skin, teeth or clothes.
If you loose 15kg, wear your hair short, use skin products, get your teeth cleand regulary and start to dress like your age we can talk again.
You're just seeking for an easy excuse to not admit your own sloppyness.
The wall affects not only women but men too. Yes keeping fit and diet can help delay the effects of aging but will not eliminate it.
Yeah, I'll be 33 next month, and it's clearly over for me. It hasn't even ever begun because I became aware of one or two females being interested in me just too late in my 20's. I'm already terrified of going back to studying with these 18+-year-old females. They were already monsters in my early 20's.
The best you can hope for is becoming a sugar daddy or being betabux. Late 30 to 50 year old copium addicts will almost never generate genuine desire or attraction from 20 year old women, no matter how much they take care of themselves. Hell, if you're a sub 5-6 late 20 year old, it could be over for you, but that is if you didn't make a great effort to looksmaxx or geomaxx the best you could.
Even when you do generate the desire, they reject you upon learning your age. Age prejudice.
@@ModelJames13 i mean trying to exclusively date 18-20 yos as 30-50 is insanely creepy why dont just go for women your age???
@@hlebzonYou a man or woman?
@@ModelJames13 man
@@hlebzonI see. You must be really young to ask the question you did, but I will give you honest answers. Why not date women my age you say? Have you seen the women my age? Most are not pretty. Even if a pretty older woman is found, 99% chance she is a divorced single mom. Would you want to deal with that? I don't and won't. I'm guessing you're in your 20's or younger. Find a wife before you hit 30 or you'll see what I'm talking about. 😎
Yes, as an older man, I will say that Waffles is right.. I have a friend that is 40, he's dating a 27 year old , overweight , single mom.. That's the typical result of an older man in his prime, he can get an overweight single mom to date, but he's not getting a university girl in her prime. A 35 year old man that struggled in his 20s may be able to get a postwall woman, so he may have more success in that way.. but yes.. he's not getting a 20 year old prime woman.. he's getting a woman that realizes she has to settle. I will say this though, Rollo is a good content creator. He doesn't push this fantasy that hard, if at all (I don't remember).. But the guys that are selling classes, etc to support this myth, yes, they are harming young men.. Good video.
If they told young men to do this and then go overseas for a younger wife they'd be on point. Get yourself together and getting a young hot wife from asia or latin america when you're 40 is a breeze. And the best thing is, these girls don't feel they settled but won
Any man can get that at any age lol
Any man can get that at any age lol
A 27 year old single mom who’s overweight is not “settling”because 9/10 she never had many good options in the first place
@@chrispekel5709no you creepy passport bros who can’t get a woman in your country are disliked by everyone lol the women over there know how weird you dudes are and most avoid you for a good reason
I've always been more attracted to women aged 27-36.... my first serious gf was 32 when I was 23. I'm 34 now and in my "peak" simply because that's my target age range. But if I were really into 18-24 year old girls, ofc I'd be way past my peak. My peak probably would have been around 24-27 in that case.
The reason my dating life is better now than 10 years ago is that I'm no longer bluepilled. In my early 20s I was a nice guy and I couldn't talk to women. The biggest advantage older guys have is knowledge accumulation.
Fits my experience.
@@jon-cl7rrWhy is that an issue? If you're a man in your 30s, there's fuck all wrong with dating or being in a relationship with someone who is also in their 30s...
@@DustyDigits go ahead and enjoy women in their 30s and even 40s if that's you bro
@@-whackd well im 39 and my partner is also 39, so it makes total sense to me
@@jon-cl7rrnot always true. I’m 42 and was approached by a beautiful 27 year old. Yes I look way younger and usually lie about my age
Guys, wheat speaks 100% facts. Im a young female and can conform that he is absolutely right. Sure, there always be exceptions. Just like some guys find fat women the most attractive, there will be some rare girls liking old men, but those are rarity!! Dont rely on this
But I don’t get it, because a colleague of mine is exactly 46 and dates girls literally 20 years younger than him. And I’ve seen it with my own eyes, so I know it is really happening. And sure, he’s got decent genetics, takes care of himself, and has a good job, but he’s far from a Chad or a millionaire. And these young girls he dates are pretty, I would also be interested by them. Of course this is anecdotal, but is he just an exception? I’m 21 so I’m in no rush, but just wondering out of curiosity.
You’ve done legit 37 comments on a male focused black pilled channel. I would really like to know how you look like so I can then value your opinion accordingly
@@veliolath9958 not sure if my looks are relevant here. Im a data scientist and prefer more fact based chanels when it comes to info. I dont think its a bad thing to have different perspectives in life and watch these from time to time to see what my male friends might struggle with. I have a few good male friends who struggle to find a gf and if you look at wheats info it kinda does explain why. Most of them are totally blue pilled tho. I did manage to help one with advice. He went from annoying, boring average looking guy to hot manly man. He got married a week ago. Hery happy for him. So yeah, most things wheat say is pretty accurate and does help. My advice to my friend was mainly from wheats video's.
Also i was bluepilled myself before this channel and was wondering why the results were not as expected (if personality is by far the most important thing, then kind people would be in a relationship very fast vs mean ones unable to find someone, but the reality did not add up
@@Fred-zt5kyThe answer is in your comment. He might date young women, aka fund their lifestyles, but do these women want to settle down and raise a family with him? That’s the long term goal for most people. So yes, there are young women who will date older men briefly in exchange for money/experiences, but when it comes to who they really want it’s not an older man.
@@Fred-zt5kywhat’s location is this happening in? & how much is his yearly income ?
Honestly 20 years younger will only happen if he has chad genetics or singer or dj or something. Also blacks don’t age much
20 years younger is usually “sugar dating “ he isn’t going to tell his friends I’m dating these girls cus I’m paying them a weekly “allowance” and including everything sugar dating can work out cheaper than getting married & paying for 2-3 kids …
Depends on the guy. Of course an unattractive young man isn't going to magically get more attractive with age. Social status trumps all.
Looks is your status lol most of the high paying jobs tend to be people who are above average looking, I’ve noticed this at places like the hospital you notice most of the workers are not bad looking and many of them are above average looking and it makes sense because attractive people (men and women) make more money on average and have way more opportunities, people who are perceived as attractive are also perceived as confident giving them more opportunities, studies find attractive speakers tend to be more intelligent than unattractive speakers, you notice this when you see lots of sub 5s working low class minimum wage jobs, your looks is your status.
Cope, men in their 30s who are wanted were wanted in their 20s
Im 35, when I was 33 I was able to go on dates with a couple women that were 23-25 range, the dates with both (separately) honestly went great and they offered to split drinks and dinner prices without me asking and they appeared to find me attractive but they seemed to lose interest in the weeks following and I always speculated it was about age.
It probably was. Women are very age prejudiced. You're lucky you got the dates at all. 😎
They split the bill because they were planning to bail on you from the start. They didn't want to feel indebted for the date.
No, you just had bad game. It's not age.
@@spremegraphy8296cope
They tried older and didn’t like it
I'm 41, girls ignored me until I started to get around my mid 30s.
Same, dude. Although I'm 33. I was practically a ghost to all these women throughout all my life until I reached 29 and started to get attention from girls as young as 18 out of nowhere. There could be many factors which explain why that is but saying that your life will ultimately become more difficult by the time you reach your 30s is misleading.
Sure, some folks age worse than others but I do believe that if you look after yourself in the best way possible by adopting a healthy diet, taking vitamin supplements, exercising, meditating, etc. then life isn't as bad as people like WW tries to suggest. Statistics gives people an idea of what is happening around us but it does not determine the reality of one's life. It all depends on who you are and what your circumstance is.
They’re still ignoring you, stop lying acting like women are approaching you. It’s sad
@@niloticshadowlying creep, pretty gross 18 year olds are on your mind as old as you are as well
I would love to see a Podcast with Rollo Tomassi and Wheat Waffles. My favorite redpiller and my favorite blackpiller.
Finally someone said the truth! younger guys are way easier at getting girls than older dudes, only if you are like elon or jeff level rich and status you can get younger hot chicks and that is because they are in it100% for the $ 0% for you as a man. it was way easier for me to get girls in my 20s than I am now (40) even though I have 100xs more money now than before.
Glad wheat made the point about how things have changed since Rollo was in his 20s. “The male advantage” definitely had some truth 30 years ago but now it’s out of reach for 99% of men.
Fine wine coper here: my interpretation of the fine wine argument is that there is a very small percentage of us who eventually make enough money that we can live very very well without needing to work while we are still young enough (i.e., up to early 50s) to have bodies that are reasonably responsive to diet and training and we also have the time to be able to put ourselves into proximity with beautiful women and the experience to know how to handle them. I'm 45yo and I make around $900k per annum before taxes, obviously on a cold approach I'm at a big disadvantage to men who are younger but poorer versions of myself, but there is a LOT more to the equation than the first seconds of an approach.
Physical entropy is subtractive but wealth generation is multiplicative, meaning that I might be 20% uglier than I was in my early twenties, but I am also literally 7000% richer in terms of net worth and about 2000% better paid.
I tried Pa$$port and was able to up my financial wealth strata and attract women. But, it was not the type of women that had hot burning desire for true love called Passion (see Sternberg's triangle). It was for commitment and support of extended family, often children they already had with a handsome young chixs-boy, or a green card. It felt so cold and empty compared to the real love relationship I had in the West before the female monkey-branched.
@@bobbruce4135 Passport bros is a big cope. Because ultimately fake people cannot make you happy a transactional relationship will never satisfy you because fake things can’t make you happy. Only true love can make you happy which true love is a woman being physically attracted to you, that’s what makes her having the burning desire for you when she’s physically attracted to you, she biochemically falls in love with you and she wants your babies, that’s something money can’t buy it all comes down to looks and youth which is why the reality is your best bet of finding true love is when your in your youth and at your best looking.
Money doesn't matter to us when you're old sorry.
Women are much more turned on by younger men, rich older men not so much, at best you'd be a sugar daddy temporarily.
And you still can’t get a date
I think it’s important for guys to looksmax and be as attractive as possible by the time they’re 25, and then try to use anti-aging and lifestyle choices to look 25 for as long as possible, the men who peak and get most attractive women at 35 usually look young for their age, biological age is way more important than chronological age, a 20 to 25 year old woman won’t care if a man is 35 years old chronically if biologically he’s still 25. And unlike your chronological age your biological age you do have control over.
I think the peak for men should actually be around 30 because by then they’ve had some time to build their money and status but the age pill hasn’t yet hit them and they’re still at their peak for looks and they will get the best, most attractive women around the age of 25, they might be too old for college girls age 18 to 22, but they will have plenty of options of women between 22 and 30, so I still think it’s the best age to be, however once men reach 35 and older they will quickly decline unless they take really good care of themselves and have been anti-aging and keeping fit since 25, and looksmaxed before that.
I’m kinda a nobody currently, realistically I’m giving myself until about 25 to try and become the best version of myself and to turn my dating and social life around since I have high functioning autism and communication has been very hard for me. I know time is limited and it’s best to start improving myself now rather than later. The biggest change for me will probably happen in the next couple of years I expect things to change dramatically. If my dating life is gonna turn around it will do so over the next few years, not when I’m 35. The period between 18 and 20 or in my case 20 and 25 is crucial for improvement.
Bros im scared, thats its over. Im 26 and get told, that i look 18. But im scared it crashes someday. Im using sunscreen 24/7 haha im such an neurotic basterd
@@hot_guy997we are in the same boat. Im suffering. I also got chronic pain, which makes it exhausting to socialice long. Knowing that it all even gets worse with age fills me with dispair. Hoping for a miracle at that point
@@Almgandin Hey bro I feel ya, just keep trying to look young and making money and if you make good money you can geomax if you need too, every man is different it’s not all the same for every person, but you never know what life’s gonna do to you so it’s best to do what you can while you can, there’s still hope.
Finally a guy that’s being honest about this!! A lot of guys don’t realise that youth and health is also important to women 😱 shocker! we don’t want to be 24 raising kids with a 40 year old man.
You should if the guy is still handsome and fit.
@@ModelJames13 some young women will date older men . but to the majority of us would rather date a handsome and fit man from the same generation as us the only thing to gain from an older man is money and that’s not even a guarantee .
Women don't want to marry a much older guy and end up a hospice nurse who only stays at home, taking care of the kids, the house, and him.
@@briskettacosThat's what makes a good wife. Men don't want to marry boss babes.
The red pillers love to bash women over 35yo but don't realise there is a male 'wall' aswell 😅
I love that you talk about this. I'm 40 and doing about as well as you can expect. I'm a multimillionaire, Im 6'1, I'm in extremely good shape, average looks. According to these idiots I should be drowning in 19 year old tail. The reality is so far from that its laughable. Can I draw some interest from the 1 in 20 girl in college WILLING to date a 40 year old? maybe. But if you wanna bang 20 year olds, you're far better off being a 25 year old chad lite than in the 99 percentile of 40 year olds.
Very important info! You must also inform your audience that sperm accumulate mutations as men age - T levels go down too - so male fertility declines with age. Old fathers are more likely to have unhealthy children - much more so than old mothers, as eggs don’t accumulate mutations.
That's a debatable point about older men having unhealthier children. My dad was 55 when he fathered me and my mum 44. I have made it to 60 and all my health issues are exactly the same as my mums, so his stuff was good. There is another important genetic factor in being fathered by older men and all animals are often fathered by older specimens for thus reason. If you are an older man you have lived to tell the tale, so you are not carrying bad genes.
@ It’s just a fact that gamete quality declines with age. Obviously, if you have good genes and you live a good lifestyle, you can weather that aging better than others. My own parents were old, and for over a thousand years my family has been having healthy children into their 50s for women and 70s for men, and there’s definitely a strong link between extended fertility and good genes. But, all else being equal it’s always better to have younger parents, in terms of gamete quality.
@maidende8280 it would appear that the health risks are associated with mental health and complications of miscarriage etc. Most of it is around the time of birth. As the mother is likely to be older also, that will play an important role. There is nothing definate on it, as its a very difficult thing to pin down.
My point was that if an older man say in his sixties has great health, cancer free, heart fine, no diabetes and low blood pressure, is off spring will inherit those health benefits. Humans have no health natural selection, unlike animals, where males have to fight other males often to the death to show they are a physically worthy father. With females this is of no importance as they just need to bare the young whatever. But the mothers genetic health is also of huge importance. This is where nature tolerates quite a bit of in breeding. For example the alpha male in a group will not only mate with the mother but also his grand daughter so his "good" genes will become even more dominant in the offspring.
Two years ago, I used to listen to Richard Cooper a couple of times. I won't deny that his message was good on politics, culture, and society. It was only that his message on dating was irrelevant to me, since his dating advice applies the older generation of men, while I'm still younger (early 20s). That's when I stumbled upon Wheat Waffles, since his videos on average dating and relationships is relatable to me as an young average man.
You hit the nail the head with mentioning the way they always select guys that are at the very top as examples.
Yes, If you are say a 6’3 handsome, charismatic, fit 34-yr old guy making $300k+ you will thrive in dating.
However, that’s easily a top 1% and not your average guy. Yet this is the archetype they always lean on for the male advantage.
Not saying the avg 30+ yr old can’t get dates, but they won’t be able to compete for attractive college girls.
There are special cases, but not all Chads get the Women. 34 is like the line before Women just abandon you.
@@Jay-ef2ii You definitely don’t need to be a Chad to get women.
However, as you age, it becomes a bigger liability. It definitely becomes trickier past 35 unless you have insane status as aging accelerates rapidly.
I’d argue for the average guy, the golden window is 23-28 for dating:
-You are young enough to largely have your looks intact
-T levels still there
-You can likely have some money and your own place
-Women don’t see you as a teen the way they do at 18-21 (outside college girls)
"Nobody" ever said, teenage/college girls will be attracted to you when you grow older. Nobody, therefore I don't get why Wheat waffle made that into an argument. But those girls get out of college and get older. When they get in their later 20's they do settle down with a 35 year old man who is established. If a woman is 35, her opportunities have extremely deteriorated for marriage.
@sgs8747 WTF would you know ? Can you point to any peer reviewed studies that demonstrate 34 is the "line in the sand" get a life.
There's always exceptions to the rule. But I agree that most men do not age like fine wine. In any case, humanity would get a boost if young women got together with older men that physically held up. We could raise the mortality age by fifty years in a few generations and greatly reduce health problems. Unfortunately, this wouldn't work for women as their eggs would expire.
THEY WANT IT TO BE TRUE MORE THAN IT ACTUALLY IS
I been knowing this whole “women like older men” talking point was a cope because when I was in my early 20’s I smashed a few older chicks who where in their 30’s and 40’s that had older boyfriends and they had way more money than me..and plus me myself when I was 28yr and my girlfriend at the time was 27yr and she cheated on me with a 19yr …wake up fellas women always going to go for the best looking option..
Bro, wording.
@@Krelian4400 what u mean?
Funny. I had the exact opposite experience. If I got left or cheated on it was always older guys. And my girlfriends usually complained that I was too young. Can't confirm
@@loserinmomsbasement3985 well I’m not saying that you experience can’t be possible if the older guy is more attractive than u….
@@tonysnow2224 No. They were in all cases way more ugly. That's the funny thing. They were older and uglier.
Maybe the insecurity of women plays a big role in this
Just become a famous actor bro, just become a famous athlete bro.
A 35 year old man is the equivalent of a 30 year old woman. I always say it.
They literally face the same problem.
It's not that both can't get a partner. It's that they can't get a GOOD partner, and it's difficult for them to see that fact, because it pours salt to the wound that is their sunk-cost.
No. Just no. A woman still has way more options than a guy. Also it depends on the guy. The average 35 year old is not going to look like a 35 year old chad who takes care of himself and has good aging genetics.
@@loserinmomsbasement3985you’re absolutely right . I looked back at my photos in my late teens and 20’s and the difference is astounding lol. Also , most men are not aging like fine wine due to the high consumption of processed foods
A good looking guy at 35, who didn't get fat and stayed in shape, can much more easily find a 30 year old woman to marry, than a 35 year old woman who was good looking at 25 years old. This good looking 35 year old woman will still get a lot of sexual attention, but marriage will be much, much more difficult unless she goes for much older men.
Damn, a good looking 35 year old can get a hot 25 year old easy. I did it myself. Too much theory junkies here
@@ScorpionSuerte This. Most guys here have no or little experience with women and only theorize.
In my experience nobody gives a s*it about age, if you don't make a big deal out of it yourself. People only care how old you look, if anything.
I just take care of myself and try to keep my biological age young.
Heck even I don't really care about the womans age. I've seen 40 year old looking women who are just 18 and 40 year old women who look 22.
Nowadays I just look if she is pretty, if she has kids and how her personality is. Often I only give attention to her age on the second or third date. And often I forget her exact age.
People who care too much about age are usually very insecure and close minded and better to be avoided.
I like the objectivity and rage in this redhead.
I’ve never understood why Rollo Tomassi and Richard Cooper have such high followings. They give misleading advice and are goons themselves.
people actually believe rich coper is rich and he slays. why do they believe it? because he tells them. If you were rich why would you bother with a mgtoe channel and waste hours of your life every week ranting about women and shilling pheromone soap
doesnt he date single moms?🤣
Lots of braindead boomer men in the manosphere that love being told what they want to hear instead of the harsh reality of the Blackpill.
@@barbellsamurai8014He is rich, but I don't think he slays (much), all his Instagram photos are sausage feasts.
Rollo has done a lot of good bringing human psychology to men. Stuff that has been known for 100 years but which men have been ignorant of. Copper is another story whose past his expiration point.
It's out of order. They are selling cope to depressed men, cope is a nice high but with a terrible crushing low. Beta bucks guys used to be a thing because women would compete for them, but they don't even need beta bucks anymore in this new modern world.
exactly! finally we've declared war on those cultists
That last minute was golden I have the same philosophy about discipline women and money the best time is always now. If you don’t seize the moment I or someone else will and we wont give it back and no one will help you get it
So if I am 32 already, should I give up on life?.. I am depressed, help me, please, I am desperate
No, don't give up, just be realistic. Try to date women close to your age. You aren't going to get a 20 year old university student, but that's ok.
Its a huge cope but these incels need something to believe in
If your Brad Pitt or George Clooney that might be the exception to the fine wine cope, However majority of men will never reach that point.
I never was red pilled . I went from blue pilled straight to black pill
I definitely agree that men do not age like fine wine, but I do think that people have alot more control over their biological age rather then their chronological age. The reason people say a man peaks later in life is because they have built up more money and status and smv is looks, money, and status not just looks and nothing else, If a man who is 25 years old builds himself up and takes care of himself to where he looks young for his age he could still be equally as attractive at 35 as he was at 25, and with more money and stability his smv would be much higher at 35 than at 25, but if he looses his looks he’ll definitely go down in smv and eventually everyone ages and his looks will deteriorate eventually no matter what he does, and I think women will choose a a man who is more financially stable compared to a man who is less financially stable regardless of their age if they are equally as good looking. A young woman in her prime will only choose the 35 year old man over the 25 year old man is the 35 year old man has more money and is more financially stable and is still just as good looking as the 25 year old and hasn’t lost his looks yet.
So men peaking at 35 could actually be true if he is still as attractive as he was at 25 but if he’s lost his looks then no. I think a man’s peak is probably between 25 and 35, but then declines rapidly after 35, that’s if he takes care of himself.
Also because women will date men up to 10 years older than them if they’re attracted to them and the man hasn’t lost his looks, and women are usually still at their peak at 25.
Where is my popcorn...
I agree with you, I’m older and I can verify that wømen treat me completely differently. It isn’t just about dating either, even basic niceness is rare.
Surprisingly, at least for me, is that other men too also treat me far worse than I used to get treated when I was young. It’s gotten so bad, that I’d rather not even work around other people anymore. Just work jobs where I’m by myself, it’s not that I don’t want to be with others, it’s that I’m tired of being treated like shít just because of my age and the way I look.
Yea cuz ur suppose to get ur shit in order. Instead of watching nerdy black pill channels with zero life experience.
Thanks for the honesty.
I’m 32 blk male and on Facebook dating 95 percent of women that like me are my age and older ..rarely match with younger women…also I was rejected by a 21 year old in person and the reason she gave was your too old lol..she was average at best..
At your grown ass age you should know better than to be a creep going after a 21 year old
You need to live in a third world country of you want to date a significantly younger woman. When I lived in Colombia I met an elderly many who was astute and successful who was looking for an 18 year old to marry. She was just at the Prom last month!
These guys think their life experience is what makes them attractive. The woman are just telling them what they want to hear so these men will be their 'starter husbands'.
U should do a video about the best strategy for a man regading what data shows, that will enlighten a lot of young poeple and stop the fine eine cope bringing some reality
Most men are not aging like fine wine due to the high consumption of processed food . The food is messing everyone up.
dont forget sun exposure and overweight, balding...
@@heroldjaras9909 being overweight is mainly from processed food but balding is mainly down to bad genetics.
And modern toxins especially plastics which are so estrogenic.
Oh and seed oils & refined sugar!
Idk, i still see old guys getting with college aged girls. The thing is that women will always judge pictures of men harshly no matter how high quality unless the pic meets every criteria for a certain woman. Meanwhile if they happen to meet in person, dudes can pull more than doing it online. Also depends because women give specific answers if cameras are in their face in contrast to how they would act when living their lives, especially when their friends are not around. Which is important that she is not with her friends when you first meet one so they dont cockblock you. Thats when she gets to drop the bomb on her friends that she is with an older dude, because they werent there to poison her mind against you.
Being able to manipulate someone (whose rational/ logical frontal lobe of the brain isn’t properly formed yet) into being with you, is NOT and never will be a flex 😅🥱
Men can date down in terms of age but you’ll never see huge gaps unless the dude has really high status. Like no 35 year old man is going to date an 18 year old girl. He could probably get a 27 year old girl but probably not any lower. Girls don’t scout out for 50 year old rich guys (some do, but as a wallet to drain)
I would say he could get alittle younger than 27 but definitely not 18, I’d say 23 is probably the youngest he could get and that’s if he takes care of himself, 25 is probably even more reasonable to get since it’s only 5 years. But 22 or younger absolutely not unless he’s high status or has a-lot of money.
The age acts as a filter for the most clever women ... and their primary instinct is to mate with a partner with an exceptional genetic ... and it is much easier to identify that kind of men when they are older ... It seems counter intuitive but in fact there is a logic linked to the scarcity of chads over forties ... The men who are successful are the most intelligent ones , we are not talking of potentials here, they shine at 40 ... and those who are in shape and have kept a high level of attractivity at 40 are the ones with the best genetics because testosterone affects your immune system in the long run and keeping a high testoterone level at that age is very costful and consequently rare...no more pretty boys or chadlites here, only the real chads emerge .... Here is the real reason why some young women chase that kind of men ... Moreover, that kind of men are more prone to settle ..
its more about looking old than being old, i doubt theyd reject chris hemsworth or michele morrone (considering looks alone with no status) if you're 25 and look ugly/old still brings you down. sadly most blokes dont look good at that age
I watch both you and the fine wine copers. You both have valid ideas. I’m 33 and I would have to agree with your statement. Dating gets much harder as you age. Unless you are top 1%
If u were a chad in your twenties, there is a chance you will get good dating results in your thirties with women who are 8-10 years younger than you. But if you were a normie, you just bring yourself into a delusion that you can TRULY attract a 8-10 years younger female with your status, money in your 30-40s. Im a 37 years old normie, I've been in different relationships for overall 8-9 years but I've had long years of dry spells and struggling in my late 30s as well. I was quite blue pilled during the 2010s (anyway the dating situation was just started to get worse from 2014-2015). I have discovered black pill and started looksmaxing this year, but as an ageing normie I will be fully satisfied if i could get good dating results in the age group of 34-40. It is better to choose realistic goals.
They don't even look like they've aged like "fine wine"
Hey! Let people cope. This reduces amount of desperate men in the market. If all men hold their frame it improves dating market for all men
Another point that gets left behind in the monk mode “forget about women, chase the bag and then get them all in your 30s” crew:
Most people, statistically speaking, won’t ever be rich.
Thus, even If I agreed that their prescription works, it’ll be a moot point for 90% of guys who will get to their 30s with no significant wealth and no dating success.
You can get good women as you age, but it’s different game.
You’re early 20s may be best time to meet and marry someone if that’s what you’re after just because people are available and unattached at that age.
Actually, I have no idea what anyone should do, it's a minefield out there, but I would say the older everyone gets the more jaded they get and the harder it gets to really genuinely commit to another person. @@AndreiGeorgescu-j9p
As an old man, you can expect an old lady. The better you are off with looksmaxxing and financially, the higher quality the lady will be. But dont expect a 20y old lady when you are 40 unless ur Leonardo Dicaprio level
I totally agree with this one. I'm 39 and my fiancée is 38, but she's a very high quality woman.
I once used to have a co-worker in his late 50s, good looking of couse, we went to bars and he had the same success as I did in my early 30s. Now I'm in my early 40s understand why that was the case. Dating in my 20s was miserable compared to what I get now. I'm not saying all men age like fine wine, but if you take care of yourself, you'll be amazed how much easier dating gets as you age.
Let’s just be honest:if you got a good physique,money,a car,a house and a well maintained face you will do the best YOU can at an older age. You potentially will not do better than a younger Chad but you can still get better results than if you didn’t have the aforementioned things.
A younger Chad is the epitome of male attractiveness(regardless of resources),let’s just not beat around the bush. Every other combination or derivation from that is beneath that. If you’re older and getting women WITHOUT resources like a car or house(muscles/a good physique do not count) then that means you fit the exception not the rule.
You cant age like fine wine if you leave the open pail sitting in the sun for 20 years. I'm one of those bottles. So was my older brother. So are my single friends my age. We are in our late 50's and my friends don't understand why I don't ever date college age girls like they do, I only date women over 30 and they are still often younger than my daughters. I was social my whole life, built my first business with an eight thousand dollar bank loan while I was in college, bartended, lectured, practiced law, was an infantryman, competed in boxing and mma, but mainly had fun and kept making new friends and girlfriends and kept them in my life, and my daily calendar is still full to this day. You dont just suddenly step out after 20 years as a hermit with your rolex and your porche and have young girls dropping their panties. Everything starts with being a person people admire, with age you have had more time to accumulate those traits. More experiences, jokes, wisdom, human interactions, basically life. But if you spent all that time living in a boring way, you'll just be a boring old man. Plus, if you ever let your fitness go, forget it. Even at my age I have thick muscles, 12% bodyfat and do fitness coaching as part of my career. My friends my age run marathons, bike everywhere, train in martial arts, rock climb, hike, and meet a lot of young women doing those things as a bonus. My good friend who is sixty just married his 30 year old wife in November, she is cute as hell and they are having their first child soon, she's a public schoolteacher and loves hiking and biking like he does. This was long, but basically if you "wait" til you're my age you won't have anything to offer but your age, and that alone ain't worth much. When you're old, youll never look back and say "man, I wish I'd accomplished less".
Looks: attraction
Money:freedom
Status: girls
Game (social skills): friends
You do this by taking the faith pill by accepting Jesus into your heart. When you do this Jesus changes your life he turns you from a boy into a man, not just religion but spiritual, emotional, financial, social, mental and physical well being. This is the way back to God and a new life. God bless you.
excellent comment
Resources and confidence comes with age so I wouldn't disqualify the fine wine theory. Yeah, it's true you probably can't get 18 year old hotties when you're 35-50 years old but if you go for little older women, 25-30 or even 30-35 there will still be hot girls that you can acquire more easily because of your age advantage.
I'm quite lucky that I'm 15 yo and now I'll start improving myself more than ever, at a rapid rate. Thanks Wheat Waffles for a wake up call ;)))
Find a wife before you hit 30!
@@ModelJames13 exactly
@@ModelJames13 and fulfill other life goals as well
Can you explain why most desired and sexiest men in Hollywood reached peak attractiveness in their late twenties to early 30’s? Ian Somerhalder, Chris Evans, Chris Hemsworth, Brad Pitt, Zac Efron, Sebastian Stan, Jason Mamoa, Jon Hamm, Cilian Murphy all had girls creaming over them when they were ages 28-35. The ages of major male leads are usually in this age range as well.
It depends on how you treat yourself from a young age till your 30s. If you are an unatractiv fat slop in the age of 35 you will surely not attract some beautiful girls. If you are in shape and have your money right it´s much easier. The reason why this college girls reject this older man is because of social pressure in this feminist environment.
If you want a traditional relationship, you need to go where traditional women are…
I'll be 50 in March and i still do very well. But I'm a rare case. I still look young. I'm Vampire-maxxed 😏
You're just lucky. Most women get age prejudiced after learning a man's age, especially if he looks young.
You look older
@@ModelJames13stop being a weirdo, calling having an age preference being prejudice is weird af. You’ve aged out of young woman’s age preference, get over it
@nevergiveupbaby1720 Cool. I'll let my smokin' hot 26yr old Bulgarian gf know that you said that. 😂😂
@@nevergiveupbaby1720 Why aren't you attractive?
As a person who’s been following wheat waffles for almost a year (inconsistently)
I can say that he has some good points
Like he bashes dating apps with data and evidence
But
Sometimes and now I guess most of the times
He just claims something
And brings up a really small pool of evidence
He said in the other video that the average man is a 3 on the eyes of the average woman
His evidence?
A video he made asking 10 college girl to rank some pictures
I mean I’m not a research professor but that’s not how it’s done
And even doing that video contradicts your own sayings
I swear I’ve heard him saying that don’t get women’s ratings and what they say about dating serious
A college girl might rank a man lower in a RUclips video
Simply to showcase and make herself look better
They might be playing hard to get
I could make a list
It’s like women describing their ideal men
And he’s this much tall
That much worth
I’ve seen women claiming the ideal height is 6 foot
Yet their boyfriend or husband is 5’8
We even do it ourselves
We might have an idea of the perfect girl
Doesn’t really mean if she doesn’t fit all of the boxes we wouldn’t be attracted to her
And a lot the ppl that watch your channel, including me at some point
Use all the things you say
As an excuse to not work hard
Not try
Think of women as demons
It’s really an alienation
A lot of times you claim something and then use a tik tok video from from a Jane doe to support it
Maté that’s not how it works
And this video
Everybody knows that men age way better than women
I don’t know if their prime is in their twenties or in their thirties
But what was the last time you
heard a 23 old woman dating a 30 year old man? I bet not that long ago
Now imagine the other way around
It’s just way more rarer
Wheat is brilliant, but still a *really* young guy. I think that, as he ages, he will change his perspective. Of course, he is right that there is no "male advantage" at any age. But I think he's too fixated on what attracts women in their early 20s.
and his data is based on tinder, which is just pictures
women have never been excited by pictures, it was always men that bought Playgirl magazine
Great video love your content
A) But I would add this depends on location. You don’t need to be in 3rd world country
Even poor area / city of 1st world country a guy with lambo would stand out
B) it’s a niche market for these older rich guys & majority will reject them
They wouldn’t do well on tinder but need to know the girl from somewhere else
Off the boat europeAn or Puerto Rican are more likely to do it vs white America girls
C) also sugar dating has become more common as a lot of these 40-50 year olds with money don’t want to get married
Sites like seeking
These older guys don’t want to admit it but they are basically paying for it 90 percent of time even if they didn’t meet from sugar site
But you are correct Cooper makes it out like college girls would rather hang out with bold 50 year old. He is also very bitter towards women
A 40 year old man can find under 30 years old woman to marry. The age disparity is why “age as fine wine” works. An over 30 years old woman is unlikely to ever marry. For men, his marriage options is no better or worse as he ages, but can improve if he makes an effort. As for whether he turns into a Chad, that’s unlikely, but some get more action than when he was in his 20s. A survey on women is hard to know. Trust what they do instead of what they say. College women are the most privileged so they are the most selective.
What if you're "old" (say over 35 ) but look younger e.g. Chuando Tan?
I sort of like Rollo but I've heard him fire off so many shots aimed at you explicitly in his streams.
Honestly both ideology are Tribal. All i can say, just worry about yourself and getting your. It doesn't matter who's right or wrong if you winning.
I'm 36 and I agree that it's a reach to think that you're going to have a relationship with girls that are 10-15 years younger, because the data doesn't demonstrate that. I think there are girls that will hook up with older guys, for sure, mainly because there may be some socioeconomic aspect there or some other personal issues.
I do however think that if you're really well put together and not a slob, you can date women close to 30 at say 36-38. You just have more experience with women after so much time, and I think you can offer more compared to when you were 25. The issue is that women over 30 are incredibly picky and hard to deal with, so it's not ideal to be a single guy in your mid 30s. All I can say is you better have everything maxed out.. looks, physique, income, or whatever you think is important.
Personally I'm 6'2" (1.88m), muscular, have an above average face and have a top 10% income, but I wouldn't say dating has been great. But again, this is because the women around that 30 year old mark are just extremely hard to deal with. I think that's the most important point.
Yeah, 30+ women aren't worth the trouble. Too many divorced single moms with other baggage to deal with. Have you tried dating women
@@ModelJames13 I would agree with you, although I would add it's mainly single women without kids that are just difficult. What I mean by difficult is that they're just not as chill as they were when they were 27, extremely picky and just harder to build rapport and attraction with. I think there are reasonable women over 30 that are at that age because maybe they broke up with their second boyfriend because it just wasn't working out, and they may be completely decent. Even then, they're going to pick you apart for whatever 'thing' they don't like about you, and it doesn't have to be a major flaw.
I think Waffles is right, if you're in your mid 30s you really need to be solid, I would say top 10-20% in everything that matters (looks, physique, income, game, social skills) so that you can at least try and get through to a girl maybe in her early 30s. Only guys that are really good looking (say top 5%) can actually entertain the idea of a real relationship with a girl 8-15 years younger.
@@Marsupial2054Even with "good looks" it doesn't matter. The age prejudice of women will destroy all good things. This past summer I went up to some chick at the gym and introduced myself and asked her out right then. She immediately said yes before I could barely finish what I was saying. With that high level of interest I thought I had hit the jackpot. But before I got her out on that date she found out my age and reversed decision and called it off. Just like that. I didn't know it was so important to find a wife in your 20's or that women were so age prejudiced, but I guess time is up now. 😎
I totally agree with you. I got lucky and found a good woman a year younger than me. I'm 39, she's 38 and is pretty decent, educated, chill, good with money, decent job, and we have a kid on the way. But I think I was just super lucky and my situation is a rare case. My fiancee also only had 2 serious boyfriends pior to me. I was dating other women before her and you do get a lot more hookups in your 30s, but it's a nightmare if you are dating for the purpose of marriage or a long term relationship. I've seen a few buddies of mine fall for this fine wine theory and have failed dealing with immature women in their 20s.
@@skatebordstephenfirst at 38? Pretty risky