The Expanse Season 5 Episode 10 'Nemesis Games' finale REACTION!!
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- Опубликовано: 8 окт 2024
- Holden and the Roci face off against Marco's forces and Drummer, while Alex and Bobbie attempt a dangerous rescue of Naomi, and the balance of power in the Solar System shifts. Here's our reaction to the season 5 finale of The Expanse.
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That Naomi-Bobbie rescue scene was PERFECT.
Who could have ever imagined that the war machine Bobbie Draper would be the smooth, soothing voice of reassurance in the darkness that saves Naomi?
Even more awesome in the books! :D
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Bobbie uses a missile as a surfboard to get to Naomi. So basically, missile surfing.
@@Troyxsoldier hell yes. I know it's a superficial thing, but in that moment, her voice was just beautiful and the perfect tension cutter. And the way it was muffled. Blooming perfection!
That whole sequence was masterfully done!!
-The shot of her putting on the facemask of her helmet and opening the outer doors, and we see the black void reflected in the glass.
-Naomi practically looking right into our souls before she turns and runs out the airlock.
-Her initial panicked "No!!" just after she's left the ship, before she gathers herself and starts signing.
-How she gave the line "See me Alex. See me"
-The shot of Naomi signing and drifting away from us
-The subtle explosion sound effect incorporated into the musical score when she makes the sign for "explosion hazard"
-the musical score for this sequence in general
-The tension when Alex and Bobbi finally spot her and have to find a way to rescue her. All while we know Naomi's on the clock as they spoke.
-The camera shot and sound staying in Naomi's point of view.
-As Naomi accepting that she was going to die, whispering "thank you", as her suffering will finally end
-Naomi feeling the need to apologize to Alex, like she didn't want to pass on and leave an insult, (she made in frustration) to one of her friends, standing.
Naomi's shock and subsequent relief when Bobbi arrives.
How the character of Alex basically dies doing what he loves, flying a badass spaceship.
-And in the end gives his life for his friend.
@@quiett6191 I small additional detail. If you watch the scene with an headset you will notice when Bobbie reaches Naomi her voice is coming out only from the left speaker. This is because in that situation sound can only travel using the contact surface between Naomi and Bobbie suites.
Nikki and Steven, I can't thank you enough for doing my favorite show, it's been a blast rewatching it with you guys...
We love this show so much. Very happy we started watching.
@@NikkiStevenReact If you find the time for it, go for the Audiobooks, they're amazing .
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Amos - Hey Holden, you remember that girl who planned to kill you for revenge, who framed you and the ship and almost got all of us killed? We'll she is going to fly with us for a while.
Yeah. And Holden has the best "How is this my life?" faces I've ever seen XD
I can't wait to see Amos and Peaches in space next season
If you forgot, Holden said he saw the other 'entities' that killed the proto-molecule aliens every time he went through the gate, & was more angry every time.
We also saw those redish alien entities when that Dr from S4 when she fell into that redish-black hole looking thing...
I was hoping to get more info about them, but I guess we gotta wait til next season! 🤘😁
I can't help but wonder if it has anything to do with the proto-molecule having been brought through that gate so recently. Holden complained of experiencing something similar to that each time he went through the gate, but Fred had no idea what he meant. If they hadn't gotten round to clearing up that proto-molecule on the roci at that point it could explain the difference.
@@veryanonymous3630 Sounds logical 😁👍
you actually dont have to wait for the next season. the show is at least one book, maybe even two behind, the free navy arc hasn't been resolved yet, I guess it will overlap with the introduction of the laconia arc in the next season. there's a lot of information on this out there. also I'd expect at least two more season or the next one to be extra long.
@@danii7584 Amazon said S6 will be the final season. Not sure why. I've never seen them state the reason they're stopping.
@@ldkinbote didn't the showrunners imply that it would be a pause but not a cancellation?
Here's an excerpt from the books of the final scene of the season, from Sauveterre's perspective as they pass through the ring. There are no spoilers for anyone who has watched through season 5. It just describes the same event from the show.
“Approaching the ring, sir,” Keller said from the navigation controls. “Passing through in three. Two…”
Keller fell apart. No, that wasn’t right. Keller was where she had been, sitting as she had been sitting. But she was a cloud now. All of them were clouds. Sauveterre held up his hands. He could see them so perfectly: the ridges of his fingertips, the spaces between the molecules, the swirl and flow of his blood beneath them. He could see the molecules in the air - nitrogen, oxygen, carbon dioxide all bouncing madly against each other, obscuring some more profound space between them. A vacuum that penetrated them all.
I’m having a stroke, he thought. And then, No. Something else is wrong.
“Kill the drive!” he shouted. “Turn about!” And the waves of his words passed through the visible but invisible air in an expanding sphere, bouncing against the walls, shuddering where they intersected with the cries of fear and a blaring Klaxon. It was beautiful. The cloud that was Mister Keller moved her hands and miraculously didn’t slip through the vast emptiness of her control deck.
He saw the sound coming in the rush of molecules before it reached him and he heard the words. “What’s going on? What’s happening?”
He couldn’t see the image on the screens to know if the stars were there. All he could sense were atoms and photons of the thing itself, not the pattern they made. Someone was screaming. Then someone else.
He turned and saw something move. Something else, not another cloud like himself, like the others, like matter. Something solid but obscured by the emptiness of material like a shape in the fog. Many shapes, neither light nor dark, but some other thing, some third side of that coin, passing through the spaces between the spaces. Rushing toward them. Toward him.
Sauveterre did not notice his death.
I wish they could've adapted that to the screen. Can't see inside people's heads on tv like in books and it sucks.
Be hard to realistically depict the book version, so I guess time freezing combined with being dissolved/erased was the next best thing.
@@TealJosh It's better that they didn't try. The result would have been something like a weird render of what we in our macroscopic world think atoms and molecules look like up close, and if they had tried to render what atoms and molecules might actually look like - as clouds of "where exactly are the particles, and what is their momentum" probablities - no one would have understood what they were seeing. Not to mention that it would be quite a challenge to properly handle the scale difference between the human scale and the quantum scale.
I think that they did a decent job. The environment becomes translucent as the atomic bonds fall apart, and then the "Langoliers" come in to erase the Barkeith from our reality. While people might not understand what exactly happened, there are no doubts about the result.
@@sverebom7069 I agree. I did write "I wish they could've" instead of would've. Meaning I wish it was possible.
@@TealJosh You are right. I was doing two things at the same time and didn't read what you were saying with the necessary attention. Sorry.
Dominique Tipper deserves some type of award because her acting was phenomenon this season!👍🏆
💯%agree Dom definitely deserves an award.
I was thinking that a few episodes ago 😬 so so good
@@pamelahofman1785 if it never got nominated for its better seasons, why would it be nominated for its weakest? The Naomi Diaries didnt impress much at all
It's not Mars, it's a rogue faction of the MCRN led by Admiral Duarte.
Was. Most of it was destroyed at the end by whatever that red crap inside the gate was.
Bruh: “it’s not Mars it’s just a part of Mars that broke up which means that...they are Mars operatives
So...it’s Mars? Not all of it, but it’s still mars
@@RoyCyberPunk Not most. Just one ship got eaten by a gate. The Laconia will still be a major thing...
Indeed, the birth of the Laconian Empire.
Dominique Tipper’s performance this season is nothing short of astonishing. I’ve never seen someone convey such physical punishment so effectively as the last three episodes. It’s truly remarkable to witness. That she hasn’t won every imaginable award is an injustice.
I like that quote Nikki, so I looked it up. It's "I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees" by Emiliano Zapata.
ALSO, from everyone's least favourite of the series, ALIEN3, the magnificent Charles S. Dutton gave this speech, a similar albeit profane version:
Dillon: "You're all gonna die. Only question is _how_ you check out. Do you want it on your feet or on your fucking knees - begging? I ain't much for begging and nobody ever gave me NOTHIN'. So I say, "FUCK that thing! Let's fight it!"
@@AngeloBarovierSD Love that😊
That quote is very very likely to be untrue. Zapata was more like a vandolero than a hero..... this spoken as a mexican live and born in the land of zapata
Also said in Ocean's 12. Love it!
Not sure if you guys caught it but the crazy red stuff that engulfed the Barkeith at the end was the same thing that Holden showed Fred at the start of the season, the entity that wiped out the Builders...season 6 is gonna be NUTS
I saw that red stuff at the end of season 4 when Miller and the doc shut down the proto molecules.
Winter is coming...
Holden: What'd you see in there?
Elvie: It was more like I felt it. I know that sounds crazy, but... I could feel the spaces between things. Something was there... a presence, moving towards me.
Holden: I've felt it too, every time we go through a Ring. You're not crazy.
..................…...……….............Episode 4x10
In the books unknown aggressors have been eating ships for some time at this point and that's what Monica was investigating, but they didn't show it here
What's cool and you can't really make out from the way it's shown is that you're very aware of it happening. You feel being paused and eaten on a molecular level
@@MaxRovensky Yeah. 13 ships disappeared at that point. It's not "a lot", given the transit through the rings, but it's growing.
Been waiting on this incredible finale thank you for making The Expanse even more exciting for me by watching your reactions.
They've actually been holding the potential of a hard burn being deadly as a thing for a while now, with it even explicitly mentioned back in 2x05. In the books, it actually kills a major character at one point (and a super inconvenient time), as a big demonstration of "the odds are fair, but never kind."
It was the best way to do it, also it is appropriate sicne they changed the cause of death of that character earlier on this season, I bet that was the plan before the allegations, but they had to cut it up because of them.
@@murciadoxial8056 It's hard to say if they made that particular change because of the allegations, but it definitely was also something from the books that was worth using at some point, given how often it got mentioned as a potential danger.
@@ShasOFish No, Cas Anvar filmed the scenes on Luna at the party, then they cut it from that. They re-shot the reunion on the Roci with just the three and the scene with Holden talking to Naomi in the infirmary.
@@ShasOFish Fred dies from a stroke in the books, so they just used that.
@@JustTechGuyThings I meant the change of having Fred shot. I just didn't want to use the name, for spoilers sake.
Seeing Cortrazar happy and excited is scarier than anything else in the episode.
It’s not all Mars. It’s a splinter faction. Laoconia was the region where ancient Sparta started.
Think about Cortrazar talking about controls. What might that mean?
And remember at episode one the video Holden showed Fred?
What happened to the civilization that created the protomolecule?
It’s not spoilers we’ve seen all of it before.
Right?? He seems totally in his element.
Cortazar without a beard was weird... also Laconia is the name ow a town near lake Winnipesauke
@Gavin 01 You're in for a treat. Book 8 is one of the best of all. The last book [9] should hopefully drop late this year. 1st book was 'Leviathan Wakes'. The last is called 'Leviathan Falls' which is sick as hell in itself!
@@NikkiStevenReact you guys should get the audiobooks because we may not get a finish to the final trilogy in the book series on screen. I'm guessing they're going to touch on it at least and maybe do a few movies or something because they dropped it even before the final season.
@Gavin 01 try the audiobooks because jefferson mays nails it. Best audiobooks I've ever heard.
The red light at the end was the proto molecules enemy. Holden and Fred talk about it at the beginning of the season Love your reactions been here since TWD
Oh that’s right. Y’all are so helpful with comments some times.
So it's the postmolecule.
The enemy of the builders. The protomolecule is just a tecnology with a progamm and not a sentient alien
Whoever thought end credits could be so unsettling.
Amazing finale!! Moving, exciting, and given the circumstances a great sendoff for Alex.
RIP Alex Kamal. While Cas Anvar may be wrapped up in controversy right now, resulting in his character's untimely death, _Alex_ will be missed. And _Alex_ will always be loved, regardless of _Cas'_ actions.
* regardless of the false accusations following the meetoo BS carousel.
@@manumaster1990 There was an independent investigation, and they acted only after that investigation concluded. It wasn't a knee-jerk reaction. I'm pretty sure they know more about what actually happened than we do.
@@shalomamigos Another year later and still not a single piece of info proving the allegations has been presented. It is still only allegations.
@@BloodKills You don't need a public trial to fire somebody. Just because they don't release information doesn't mean they don't have it. It's possible he is innocent of none, some, most, or all of the allegations; but the lack of public information doesn't mean he is innocent.
I wish him and those he hurt healing. That was a real loss for us as fans. Consequences are, however, an adult thing. I would want justice for a loved one.
The dream of Mars isn't dead. It's about to be writ large!
Dude you ain't seen nothing yet!!!!
I love the shy puppy face of Clarissa when she says "Hi" to Holden
Breath Nikki...Breath Nikki....Breath Nikki....BREATH NIKKI!!!!.. wait what..Episode is over??
Damn it, now I have to go back and watch the reaction again (don't look at Nikki..don't look at Nikki...don't look at Nikki)
*They mention Duarte and Laconia*
Me: We're in the Endgame now!
and they showed the orbital alien shipyards ! Growing protomolecule ships
@@Cydonius1 I just about lost my shit when I saw that! I've been so excited for Laconia to appear, and now it's here!!
Laconia had been "mentioned" as early as first season 4 episode (when Avasarala talks to Holden about the Barbapiccola she says 4 ships crossed into 4 systems.. one of the 4 gates is named Laconia).. Duarte name shows in a report Bobie reads during season 4 events when she is in the smuggling thing..
At the end, there, those were the things that Holden told Fred that "they were angry".
Yea and I don't think people in that ship even noticed anything that's why time stopped because what we saw happened in a microsecond and only Holden can see it
@@BernardoPC117 That scene in the book is told from Sauveterre's perspective (The captain of the barkeith). So you see how he sees what happens before he dies. It's pretty great even if you don't read the books just to give an idea of what's happening.
“Approaching the ring, sir,” Keller said from the navigation controls. “Passing through in three. Two…”
Keller fell apart. No, that wasn’t right. Keller was where she had been, sitting as she had been sitting. But she was a cloud now. All of them were clouds. Sauveterre held up his hands. He could see them so perfectly: the ridges of his fingertips, the spaces between the molecules, the swirl and flow of his blood beneath them. He could see the molecules in the air - nitrogen, oxygen, carbon dioxide all bouncing madly against each other, obscuring some more profound space between them. A vacuum that penetrated them all.
I’m having a stroke, he thought. And then, No. Something else is wrong.
“Kill the drive!” he shouted. “Turn about!” And the waves of his words passed through the visible but invisible air in an expanding sphere, bouncing against the walls, shuddering where they intersected with the cries of fear and a blaring Klaxon. It was beautiful. The cloud that was Mister Keller moved her hands and miraculously didn’t slip through the vast emptiness of her control deck.
He saw the sound coming in the rush of molecules before it reached him and he heard the words. “What’s going on? What’s happening?”
He couldn’t see the image on the screens to know if the stars were there. All he could sense were atoms and photons of the thing itself, not the pattern they made. Someone was screaming. Then someone else.
He turned and saw something move. Something else, not another cloud like himself, like the others, like matter. Something solid but obscured by the emptiness of material like a shape in the fog. Many shapes, neither light nor dark, but some other thing, some third side of that coin, passing through the spaces between the spaces. Rushing toward them. Toward him.
Sauveterre did not notice his death.
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@@secbro16 Very interesting so in the book the barkeith is destroyed and everyone inside dies going throw the ring...
So assuming that's what happened in the show too it seems a little random, what triggered those things to become destructive? DON'T tell me if it's a spoiler :D
@@BernardoPC117 I won't spoil. You'll just have to watch season 6 for some answers I think
And now that slow zoom through the ring during the end credits this season makes sense. It was as if something inside the ringspace was looking out, towards our system. Now we know what.
Amos is like: Hey Holden, you remember that time you wanted to murder me? Was that for real?
Holden: Um, yeah, but we're cool now. Things change and we're now family.
Amos: So I should be ok with the fact that you threatened to kill me, just because you say things have changed?
Holden: Of course. You can trust me. I wouldn't hurt you now, you're my brother.
Amos: Cool. Meet my new sister. Sure, she tried to kill you once, but considering you expect me to be cool with you once trying to kill me, you're obviously gonna be cool with trusting her to not want to kill you now.
Holden: I have nothing.
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😂😂😂😂
Holden has the perfect WTF face.
We've seen those entities since back when Holden returned from the ring the first time at the end of season 3. Then we saw more of that in season 4 with the science lady. And if I remember, Holden was telling Fred they were what destroyed the builders of the protomolecule and its associated things (like Ilus craziness). He mentioned they're waking up.
*waking up or getting angry. Forgot the language he used
My only issue with the space fights is that it's hard to tell which ship is which. I actually thought the Roci blew up for a quick second and was stunned.
Yeah, that’s the hardest part. I think Nikki thought the same thing.
Yea, I had to rewatch that scene. I didn't see it the first time, that the Roci was shooting the heavy frigate with the railgun.
If you want to know more about space combat read "the lost fleet" series. Its not made for human eyes but for computers.
This was so intense rip alex😭
That railgun was DEALING on the Roci!
Didn't realize at first, but it put 2 shots into the destroyer before pumping another half dozen into the heavy frigate.
Spot on. Think I've watched the fight sequence at least 10 times now. 2 into the Destroyer & 6 into the heavy frigate. Used the missiles from Drummers ships as a perfect distraction.
Nikki : What was it, I'd rather die on my feet than die on my knees?
Bull : I'd rather win.
George Washington said, about the American Christian, "He would rather die on his feet, than live on his knees."
The final flight of Alex Kamal. After signing off with Holden, Alex put the Razorback into a hard burn, but he didn't activate the Juice. Maybe it was an error brought on by haste, and maybe he had no choice. Razorback had been flying continuously for a very long stretch without being berthed. Her Juice reservoir might have been depleted. Bobbie took the stress of an unprotected high-G burn in stride because she's young and in outstanding condition, but Alex is more of a couch potato, proceeding on guts alone and this time it just wasn't enough.
He looked a bit rocky coming out of the burn, and at one point said he was feeling tired. (In season 3 Bobbie had told Crisjen that relaxing is what kills you in a stroke.) Once Alex decoded Naomi's "do not approach" message and Bobbie had exited the ship to rescue Naomi, Alex had nothing to do but wait, and it was then his platoon of guardian angels finally let him down. (At least they didn't let him get blown to smithereens.) Knowing he had accomplished his rescue mission, he relaxed, and then a stroke took him quickly and gently away.
it might have been the juice that killed him, remember a few minutes earlier bobby says "we are up to our gills in the juice"" since they had been doing hard burns for a while. Maybe he overdosed on it which together with the final burn caused the stroke
I wish they would've taken more shots on this Alex "departure" just to respect his journey so far in the series. But then again, maybe, it was just me.
@@erlanggahasto3445 I'd appreciate some shots of his funeral or something in 6x01, but that might be too much to ask. The producers might not want to give his character any more attention than necessary, given the circumstances.
@@sgbench The hell with the circumstances. We don't send the original screaming firehawk to the recycler without a fecking wake.
@@sgbench what do you mean circumstances did I miss something?
Outstanding performance from Dominque Tipper this season.
There are parts of your yourself that can't compromise, even for the people you love the most. The moment when Oksana asked Drummer to give up on that by not letting them save Naomi, to save their family, that is when she lost Drummer. It's never easy and costs too much all the time, but is what separates her from becoming like Erinwright, Mao and Marco. If Oksana can't understand that, she does not deserve Camina.
"Purity", "One mind, one cause", "Zero tolerance to weakness", you know, even if haven't read the books, this kind of speech gives a good idea of what kind of society is going to be build on Laconia, and if that is not scary enough on its own, the fact they have access to protomolecule tech, really scares more.
Protomolecule tech, and what looks like a shipyard belonging to the Protomolecule’s creators. What kind of horrors could they churn out with THAT monstrosity?
@@FreemanicParacusia The next season might be a horror show.
About the speculation after the episode, I think you are right except that it wasn't "Mars" that made the deal with Marco. The Martian government was able to send settlers to any of the new systems they wanted to and the people helping Marco seemed like they were trying to be sneaky about it all.
I think it was more like a splinter group of the Martian military that made the deal with Marco and not the actual Martian government.
Yeah, it was a big conspiracy within the military (some admiral whom we haven't seen yet seems to be the leader), but not all of Mars.
@@roerd It's the Admiral Duarte that Sauveterre mentions at the end
Martian government was blown up anyway
Sauveterre's group wants to exploit everything about the protomolecule because they see it as a major game changer that can help them build a powerful civilization
Again, there won't be any spoilers in this here comment.
Yeah, the Builder-Killers (funny how none of the 18 books of The Expanse, except the upcoming "Leviathan Falls" of course, had a name for it) literally took no time at all dismantling the Barkeith and her crew's atoms and waving it all off like a nasty couch fart.
The Laconia exposition this episode is literally just the tip of an immensely scary iceberg. If you go back and check S05E02 (back when Alex visited the Martian War College), Sauveterre wore a unique yellow patch on his left shoulder that none of the other Martians wore afaik. That patch had a black Spartan helmet. Sparta back in the old days was in a place called Laconia.
So yeah, neo-Spartans. A nation with no civilians, and one where a dishonorable discharge automatically merits a bullet (or worse). And they just happened to choose a star system that had something big orbiting it. Something that responds to the protomolecule.
When Suaveterre said that dishonorable discharge meant “a bullet or worse,” book readers will know what “or worse” means...
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So... a bullet “or worse.” Well, keep in mind that on Laconia, Cortazar is trying to develop protomolecule technology, and he has just received a protomolecule sample. He will naturally have to do many experiments with it...
They chose the system because of the structures, not a coincidence. The patch was shown enlarged in the war college, so it could have signified an instructor since we didn't see any other faculty.
The Glowing Red Unknown Aggressors was the entity/ies that took out the ring builder empire.
At 21:51 min (18:32 on the reaction vid) you can see the effect on Alex from coming out of that high G burn from his flight plan created to dock with Naomi's ship. He sort of shakes it off.Towards his end he says, "That was a hell of a ride." Very sad...
"Dude this f**** space fights are amazing!" You say it, beratna!
Remember when Sauveterre (the martian captain at the end that Alex talked to) gave that speech about taking the dream of mars from a single planet to "a vision of humanity that can encompass a thousand stars"? That pretty much laid out what the martian defectors' plans are.
@Gavin 01 I haven't read the book, but after five seasons of The Expanse, I know writer foreshadowing when I see it. I picked up immediately on that "1000 planets" and that Sauveterre and others had obviously been planning a strategy for controlling the Ring hub for a while. I had also taken note of the one officer asserting that "the dream of Mars is about to be writ large." It's not a big leap to make that taking over the Ring space was their plan. Sauveterre pretty much said so outright.
@@kirkdarling4120 Exactly. It’s not exactly rocket science to figure out where they are going with this at a high level.
Fun Fact: "Sagarmatha" is the nepalese word for Mount Everest, meaning "Goddess of the Sky".
You may even notice at the beginning of the shot she's featured in shows her perpendicular to the "surface" -- outer edge -- of the Ring Gate below her.
Could be coincidence. Could be good framing for the shot. Could be "hidden" attention to detail :)
I read the book and I still teared up when Bobbie rescued Naomi
can you please explain to me how many books do i have to read about this series?
@@Kennia1998 I believe there will be nine books in total.
@@Nsan omgg skfkdk thank you
Holden - "They might know something we don't"
They know about the Laconia system and that station in orbit around the planet, if only they know about the anti-protomolecule orange/red thing.
Marco now "owns" the Sol sytem while the rogue Martians own the Laconia system.
It might be simple but the rewards are goddamn massive.
The belt is worth nothing with the ring gate and the new worlds so Marco now can hold the Sol system hostage, turning the belt in the major source of resources again.
I'm also holding out for Filip, he really looked detached from his father now while before he always wanted his praise and attention.
I think they played the emotional roller coaster really well with this episode. The surprise (but not unexpected) demise of Alex, followed by the emotional hearing of The Message (which has resonance with what Fred told Holden about 'building something' back a few episodes, as an extra master touch), and then the light hearted way they introduced Clarissa to Holden was very well done, IMHO.
Man I hope Drummer gets the first "Official" Belter warship they're building on Tycho and calls it The Ghost-Knife...
Naomi's message becomes a eulogy for Alex.
They did the best they could, under difficult circumstances, and they handled it okay.
FYI: The word, "Laconia" is the province of Greece that surrounds the city of Sparta.
in the past, it was the territory of the city-state of Sparta, back in the days of Classical Antiquity when the Spartans were the baddest of bad-asses.
"That dude" was Dr. Cortazar, the magnet-induced sociopath from Season 2.
He was kidnapped at the start of this season, and now we know who did it.
It was a splinter-Martian military operation, and not the Free Navy. :)
A lot happens during the space battle, but it's easier to follow the second time around.
So one thing i think is worth while to point out from the books is that ships have been disappearing through the Ring for awhile now, but everyone choked it up to be either the ships getting lost or possibly Marco attacking them.
And those random colony ship disappearences is what Monica in the book is investigating, and not the protomolecule. That renegade Martian faction used Marco and essentially created the Free Navy as a tool to cause a giant distraction by attacking Earth and Martian parliament to set itself up and do what it wanted in the Laconia system to prepare for the protomolecule transfer from Inaros faction into their hands. Now they both don't know what other entity is lurking out there.
Peaches allowing the bad guys to walk away, initially, bought their group time to fix the ship. If they'd outright killed them, that larger group would have arrived earlier and exterminated them all. Clearly, Amos' group was not only outnumbered but were severely overpowered. They only escaped because they had a working ship that they could take off the planet.
Sometimes, you win only because of luck. They got lucky because of Peaches' altruism.
Exactly! I wanted to say the same.
Be that as it may, why would this enclave need so many heavily armed paramilitary security guards?
@@Yesquire0 because the owners can afford it. Have you met rich people?
@@AmarthwenNarmacil They didn't become rich by throwing their money away. Most places like the one depicted might have one SUV and enough of a crew to patrol the place 24/7 to discourage break-ins, especially off-season. There must have been at least 40 attackers, maybe more.
I suppose I could assume, looking at all the open spaces and McMansions, that the chances of a mass invasion by Basics and the undocumented might have been a real threat. That idea, by itself, might have been a good story line.
@@Yesquire0 -- A. Why is that relevant enough to broach the topic? The writers of the story determined that security would be that high; therefore, the security was. If you're going to balk at this element of the story, I have to wonder where else your suspension of disbelief failed you.
B. Your reasoning is flawed-- based primarily on your very limited experience of what you are passably familiar with in a world that has yet to devolve into the extreme and dangerous wealth disparity seen on The Expanse's version of Earth. Considering the type of socioeconomic degradation woven into the narrative, it's perfectly reasonable that small armies would be required to keep wealthy enclaves safe.
The fact that they had to remove Can Anvar from the show was actually good in terms of making the universe more believable in my opinion. I mean it's constantly said that strokes are a risk and then nobody dies of a stroke during the whole show other than Epstein. Having a main character die of something so ordinary makes the dangers far more tangible, especially when you compare it with what some of the characters got away with. I just regretted that they didn't create a better scene with a reshoot or something, since it's comparatively such little effort with that small set inside the Razorback.
It killed the Show......but hey you said it was a great move.....
@@Ami-vh7sr if that's what needed to happen for a piece of shit to leave, then so be it. But the show was just fine after he left.
@@DimitriosDenton No it wasn't the show died in the middle of Season 6......and secondly Anvar wasn't found guilty....so you accuse a man of a crime he didn't commit.....I hope when my charges and accusation against you comes down you will agree that you did it...
@@Ami-vh7sr
Died in Season 6? Where are you getting this data? According to IMDB:
S1 had a rating of 8/10
S2=8.5/10
S3=8.5/10
S4=8/10
S5=8/10
S6=8/10.
Rotten Tomatoes: (Reviewer Score / Audience Score)
79% / 94%
95% / 96%
100% / 97%
100% / 93%
100% / 88%
96% / 86%
I'd like to see the ratings that you found to support how it "died" in S6. Maybe when you talk about saying something untrue about something, maybe don't say untrue things about something else in the same sentence?
@@TruOnyxfire Season 6 only had 5 or so Episodes and was Cancelled in the middle of the Season....what would you call the Death of a Series?
So I'm super psyched for next season. It looks like Mars is using the proto-molecule on an alien worlds to use the alien tech on them. It also looks like they woke up whatever was the enemy of the aliens that created the proto-molecule. RIP Alex. And the way Amos brought Clarissa on the Roci was great. The look on Holden's face was priceless.
Great reaction to an insane episode! Naomi's message was an indirect farewell to Alex! No will ever be able to fly the Rocinante like you Screaming Firehawk! R.I.P.
In summation of this season, a Mars Navy splinter group made a deal w/ Marcos for ships & weapons, in return they got a sample of the protomolecule & Dr Cortazar. Marcos stole the sample from Fred Johnson & Dr Cortazar from Dawes. The war Marcos created also caused a war between Earth/Belt/Mars, creating a distraction that would allow this rogue Mars group to quietly immigrate to the Laconia gate with no one stopping them. What's at Laconia is a game changer, no spoilers unless you want to read the books or wiki pages.
one of my favorite parts of this episode was the battle with the Sagarmatha right at the end, and it really makes me wish that the Donnager battle in season 1 had a higher budget because I would have loved to see more of the combat. This episode showed how powerful the Donnager-class is. Even with that much damage, the Sagarmatha was taking out every single torpedo coming for it and even destroyed some free navy ships. It only was destroyed when a bunch of torpedos came through the gate at point blank range right behind it. When you think about it, it's really kind of scary how powerful those ships are.
Alex’s blink-and-you-miss death has got the be the most anticlimax death for a main character ever. Seriously they didn’t give a single shit 😂
Yeah, that’s rough
I'm still immensely pissed they would do this to the original Screaming Firehawk and dump him in the figurative recycler like so much fertilizer.
They did give a shit. Problem was that they already finished filming season 5 when things went down with the actor. Adding a few scenes in post production was pretty much all they could do.
@@andrewcharles459Keep crying, incel. Stop making sex offenders your heroes.
Nice piece of Laconia foreshadowing was the dialogue between Ashford and the captured martian army guy last season. For a bit he played a role of a selfish crook, but just before his death he hinted that he's actually fighting for a cause - a new one after the dream of terraforming Mars crumbled. He was clearly in on this exodus plan, which wasn't obvious at the time of the episode, but it was obvious for book readers or if you rewatched the scene now.
I just can't help but get back to your reactions because I'm waiting for season 6 😭
They were disintegrated by the beings that defeated the Protomolecule/Gate builders. We first seen them at the end of season 4.
Marco is that simple. But, this wasn’t his plan. It was the plan the rogue Mars faction, that saw the opportunity with those structures that they found on Laconia, which will have big consequences later on.
Thanks to both of you for covering a great show on You Tube. And your own sometimes disputing takes on matters. It works. Hope to see you for Season 6!
Amos the child with Naomi and Jim as parents lmaao
Thank you for reacting to this guys, and im so glad you guys are enjoying it.
You are correct Steven. Mars has its own agenda and Marco has his own agenda. I loved Naomi and Holden’s scene in the med bay. I cry every time I watch it. Love the Holden and Amos relationship. That scene with Clarissa cracked me up. 🤣
I cried with Nikki when I saw that scene again. That scene between them was so deep it brought up all kinds of emotions.
Amos should've left her on Luna.
@@dwnkaomwn3953 it will be interesting to see how her and Holden interact with each other next season.
That whole sequence of Naomi's rescue was masterfully done!!
-The shot of her putting on the facemask of her helmet and opening the outer doors, and we see the black void reflected in the glass.
-Naomi practically looking right into our souls before she turns and runs out the airlock.
-Her initial panicked "No!!" as the enormity of what she's done , before she gathers herself and starts signing.
-How she gave the line "See me Alex. See me"
-The shot of Naomi signing and drifting away from us
-The subtle explosion sound effect incorporated into the musical score when she makes the sign for "explosion hazard"
-the musical score for this sequence in general
-The tension when Alex and Bobbi finally spot her and have to find a way to rescue her. All while we know Naomi's on the clock as they spoke.
-The camera shot and sound staying in Naomi's point of view.
-As Naomi accepting that she was going to die, whispering "thank you", as her suffering will finally end
-Naomi feeling the need to apologize to Alex, like she didn't want to pass on and leave an insult, (she made in frustration) to one of her friends, standing.
Naomi's shock and subsequent relief when Bobbi arrives.
How the character of Alex basically dies doing what he loves, flying a badass spaceship.
-And in the end gives his life for his friend.
17:40 when she jumps is honestly one of the best bits of television I've ever seen.
Those things in the ring that James talked about being able to feel every time he goes thru a ring.......that's what killed the Martian Commander and destroyed his ship! IMO This is absolutely the best show on today!! Can't wait for next season.
So at the end, it pretty much is that simple. It's implied that the Martians at the end aren't acting in the interest of Mars, they're defecting wholesale, taking their people, pissing off through the ring and boobytrapping it behind them to be their own thing on "Laconia". They needed protomolecule for whatever they're doing and the price was ships, which they were willing to pay because they could just steal them from Mars on the way out.
Was wondering how they were gonna end alex's story since i saw a news about him not returning for season 6. For those who don't know, the actor who played alex in the series was accused of sexual assault and it wasn't just one person. As a result of that, his character was killed off the show. Forgot to add this. His death was handled horribly though, that might be the most unemotional death of a main cast in a series that i've ever seen.
Yeah I read that he had been approaching women at fan conventions etc and there had been an independent investigation as there were a number of complaints, hence he was killed off in the show unlike the character that is in the books, Fred in the books was killed by a stroke under hard burn so I suppose they had to have him shot instead to accommodate Alex stroking out.
@@RushfanUK It actually makes sense for the show considering we never really saw fred in a ship much less under a hard burn. Alex on the other hand has been there a number of times.
Now I understand why they let him go.
I thought he just got an important part in a movie and decided to move on.
In the books he doesn’t die.
And I was a little disappointed they decided rid of him as him character play important part in the books.
@@Odesionavmilhun The death itself wasn't done right in my opinion. Guess they had to reshoot it when the allegations came out cuz it was so weird. I saw it and i was like "ok".
I think, his death wasn't part of the original script but taken together in post + quick additional shooting, so it's still better executed than killing him offscreen but yeah, still cheesy.
It sucks we lost an opportunity to really experience the impact of the death of one of the main characters cuz we knew ahead of time Anvar wasn’t coming back. But man did they make up for it with the scene of Naomi floating in space with Bobbie rescuing her and the Amos and Holden chat bringing on Peaches. Just amazing. And Cara Gee just killed it this season. Holy crap is she good. This show literally gets better every single episode. See you in s6!!!
Hint:
1.The final scene is related to the destroyers of the Protomolecule species. The Protomolecule specie was a hive mind, they communicated to everything in their whole civilization. They were wiped out by something or somebody between the spaces, and all their infrastructures became lifeless. The stuff in the Sol system was a dormant seed sent in an asteroid through the space for milions of years with the purpose of building a portal, colonization, so it was preserved from the destruction. It's the Intelligent component that the alien planets need to function. The Martian defectors needed the stuff to make their recently acquired alien planet to function.
2.The purpose of the planet Ilus was to be one of many power generators for the alien civilization (in the book 4 Miller explains to Holden). Laconia was a ********...that thing Martians love the most. To see perhaps in the next season, though I don't think they start explaining book 7 since it happens decades after.
The "artifact" (is what I think Holden was calling it) happened to the ship at the end aka protomolecule "enemy" and what was activated on illus
The two of yall are also a relationship goal. I mean y'all have amazing chemistry.
Plus y'all got something this, a time set aside to do something together that you both enjoy. Great way to make the small daily Chalo of living with another seem as insignificant as they really are in the long run.
OMG! It has taken me A WHOLE WEEK to get through all of your reactions to The Expanse!!! I watched the finale when it aired and thought I needs a rewatch! I watched your GoT reactions so thought ooooooooooooooooooooooh! Have they done the best sci fi show on tv yet..? YOU HAVE!!! Proper enjoyed you reacting to this show and you both have been the same as I was! Roll on season 6! Loves you guys... All the way from Wales UK! XD
Amazing Finale! So emotional. Tears were flowing this episode. R.I.P. Alex! :( Cannot Wait for Season 6!!
At a ring near Uranus we got a R.U.D. of the Barkheath (rapid unscheduled disassembly). There are so many questions about the floaty orange aliens I hope season 6 gets to. After Pandora opened her box all that was left was hope.
Holden: They were killed, and now we're using their ring gates.
Investigator: Yeah..... that could be a problem..... you may want to look into that.
Yeah.... I think it's a problem now.
To understand the end of episode watch the episode 1 were Holden plays the vid from the Dr on "New Earth" for Fred Johnson.
"Mejor morir a pie que vivir en rodillas."
(It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees.)
-Emiliano Zapata, Mexican revolutionary and inspiration for the anarchist EZLN (Zapatistas), who've been struggling against the Mexican government and christian paramilitary forces, to maintain control of their own land, for years.
That was Cortázar simping at the Protomolecule at the end there, so that's what "Mars" is up to. It's not really Mars though, just this renegade faction. They don't care about Marco, his use might have been confined to creating a distraction while they set up a blockade at the Ring gate.
About the standoff last week with Amos and the private security, all of the leaders of the group are caught in the crossfire and not on high ground.
One, if not all, would get taken out, and Peaches knew that. She de-escalated the conflict and saved the leadership.
Those things at the end is what Elvi told fred what she saw in the bullet on Illus on the first episode of season 5
Yep Holden told Fred about them early in this season. Fred didn’t think these beings would be a near time threat. LOL.
When Amos said 'Good to see you boss' to Naomi man the feels hit me.🥺
What an unbelievable episode, More people need to watch this show!
I've been waiting for one hour for this reaction, checking all five minutes !
dito
Best episode of the Expanse in the entire 5 years, seeing the alien shipyard in orbit around Laconia being reactivated by Cortazar gave me the shivers
So intense this season 5 of Expanse and gotta say that i am so grateful for the pure timing for this season is SPOT ON!
1st thought: Phillip’s arc is going in the direction of taking over the cause from his father (Marcos) in a dramatic and violent way. Remember that Marcos said to him “you are nothing without me”.
Phillip will be more to fear than Marcos come next season.
2nd thought: Marcos talked about the master plan being all about commanding agriculture and being independent and better than earth. He played the earth’s with the rocks but the end of the finale showed that he played the Mars squad. He said “you have your system and we have ours”. I think they got played by Marcos and got bit by the proto molecule stigma that got the ring system shutdown.
Playing with some serious fire.
The hope is now in our heroes, as it always has been, for the sake of humanity to prove that WE can do better/the right thing in the universe.
In THE EXPANSE
Final thoughts: i dig and follow your reactions to to the show and feel that i have a seat with you guys cause i say the same stuff “OMG/HOLY SHizz”’ real time. So much love respect and keep on keeping on.
See you next season. Season 6 EXPANSE.
Kamina Drumma is my captain/bossLADY
BELTALOWDA!
The amount of foreshadowing is insane without spoilering anything
It’s more like setup than foreshadowing but I agree I’m beyond excited
Here's your new status quo:
1. The Free Navy now controls the Ring Gate.
2. Mars is hobbled, has lost a large segment of their fleet to a rogue faction.
3. Earth is hobbled by a global humanitarian disaster as they try to recover from the asteroids.
4. Drummer is a ship without a port in the Belt. She can go to Tycho at best but Marco has sympathizers everywhere. She can't ever relax. Plus, Tycho and every station is in survival mode. Plus, it probably is on Marco's target list.
5. The Roci crew is at the moment: Holden, Naomi, Amos, Bobbie (I hope!), Clarissa, and Bull.
6. The beings living inside the space between the gates are lashing out. So now gate traversal looks perilous.
7. Laconia, where they're playing with protomolecule because sure why not, looks to be a problem if they succeed.
Great analysis
Ships don't operate indefinitely, and if the attack on Pallas does anything, it reminds them how perishable their support chain is.
Marcos has lost the support of the Martian renegades. The UN still has a superior fleet to Marco's /reliable/ vessels.
The situation of Drummer's faction is probably common among the Belter factions and crews--no real loyalty to Marco. Earth's best bet would be to offer sanctuary and resources at Luna to any Belter factions willing to defect from the Free Navy. The UN could also take and guard Tycho and make it a sanctuary.
At some point, the remaining MCRN is going to get its act together as well.
Ceres isn't going to last long without water...and that's also under UN control.
Marco's entire plan relied on a quick capitulation by Earth. His plan fails if they deny it. That was pretty much the plan of Imperial Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor.
Not MARS, a extremist faction of the Martian Navy.
I think that red stuff at the end was the destroyers, the aliens who killed the builders. Holden told Fred he could see glimpses of them when he passed through the ring gate and that they looked pissed off.
Hilarious to think Fred thought these red aliens were not an immediate threat.
Look for YT video The Expanse the Investigator and Bullet Explained by Pete Pepper
@@technopirate304 well yea, Holden was the only one to have seen them other than okoye at that point.
When I saw Naomi getting ready to leap out of the airlock I was in sheer panic. I pleaded with her not to do it. After her story with Cyn, I was sure she was sacrificing herself to save the Razorback and the Roci. When she made the leap, my heart sank, and my eyes exploded with tears. I just knew she was gone. When Alex and Bobby finally saw her, I was still sure it was her last moments. When Bobby saved her my tears went from those of grief to those of relief. Then they went right back to sadness when Alex's death was revealed. Easily the most heart wrenching episode of this highly emotional series!!!
It's a FACTION of Mars. And that is very important to remember that. A bunch of Martians just fucked off... that's what you have to remember. Also remember the term Laconia... it's gonna comme up...;)
Remember what Souvatarre said at the War College about spreading their pure Martian ethos across the galaxy? Inaros wants to completely control the Sol System and will use the Free Navy to do that (at least until Avarsarela and Holden pull the UN & Martian Navy together along with Drummer to kick his butt).
I was talking to the screen like "BREATHE Nikki....breathe".
there are so many references to the end of this episode that I want to make but I can't because idon't know if they've played Mass Effect yet.
....and if they haven't for the love of God Nikki and Steven please buy the Mass Effect legendary edition and play it.
Hell I'll buy it for you. lol
I just bought Mass Effect 2, which is the best one IMO, on steam a little while ago (
Damn I would had loved to see them react to that bottle scene at Luna hahaha
A little help!!......
the....the bottle!!
They actually edited Alex out from the Luna scene hence the empty chair beside Amos. Amazon initially included it as a BTS scene in Xray but took it out later on. Someone saved it and posted it on reddit though. Great editing work.
It was obvious that they never planed his death during shooting. His death was too lame for the important character he was.
@@unwokeneuropean3590Maybe he would've gotten a better send off if he wasn't being a pedophile and trying to hit it up with underage fans.
@@Nyx_2142 A single dude sees a woman and tries to have her. Many of them look much older then they are.
Just finished. This show is so damn good. I'm SO happy you're both still on this Expanse hype train. Such a shame to lose a fantastic character in Alex due to the actors actions. I'm so intrigued to read the books now.
DAD SAYS YES, SLEEPOVER TIL SEASON 6!!
Definitely read the books! As good as the show is, the books are better. Also, the audio books narrated by Jefferson Mays are amazing.
I had already read the books when I watched season 5 so I knew Naomi survived both of her leaps into space. But the show is so damn good and so well-made that I was still on the edge of my seat for them!
It is mind boggling that this show has not won an Emmy or anything!?
I do hope you will be reacting to the final season that starts today!! Can’t wait.
Just posted an update about it
@@NikkiStevenReact ahh dang I get it I know The Expanse doesn’t bring the views the other series do. But man I’m really looking forward to your takes on it. It’s such an incredible series.
Read the books Ladies on Gentlemen, I'm a 50 year old man, I've never read a series of stories that left me so elated, but also sobbing over characters I cared about so much in a fiction/Sci Fi fantasy series. The show is epic, but it's the Cliffs Notes version of the story.
Omg I didn't know you watched this show too! I'm OBSESSED with this show! 🔥🔥🔥
Couple things. In the books, Alex isn't dead. They wrote him out of the show due to his off-screen issues. On the ring gate transfer, in the books at this point they had made a bigger deal of sometimes losing ships during transit. You will find out what is going on next season. It will be interesting who the pilot will be next season.
The rogue Martian faction are not Martian any more. Duarte got a VERY large fleet to follow him that said FU to Mars and went off to establish their own military utopia colony on Laconia.
Next season being the last will have to cover a lot of ground if they intend to conclude both the Free Navy and Laconia plots.
They've said they will only cover book six in season six, closing most plot lines.
They also said they may do more with the IP beyond this series, so there may be a sequel series or something like that.
@@jayburn00 I haven't heard that, but I hope it's true.
The creatures that killed the protobuilders, what Holden showed to Fred, and said "I think were waking them up!" Thats what that was. Bobby is the MVP of this episode. She caught on to all Naomi's hints. She is a bonified Marine, HOORAH! I cried so hard too man, like the famcoming back together touched me and I wish the world watched this episode to hear Avsarala talk about having diversity makes us stronger and it scares the extremists. THIS IS THE WAY!
Thanks Nikki and Steve for making The Expanse even more great! You are amazing!! Shout out from Denmark😉