Will is hands down one of the best interviewers in the business. That was one hell of an on-ramp to help Moore to engage at one hell of a pleasantly granular level.
I've been saying that our understanding of climate change is basically the Eldritch truth of our time, and I think HP Lovecraft absolutely nailed what people's reaction to that would be. I think Lovecraftian cosmic horror has at once never been so relevant, nor so redundant.
pretty sure ive seen this analogy on reddit and 4chan. and for that matter trump is like denethor steward of gondor who was corrupted and fell etc eetc etc
Personally I find predeterminism comforting and empowering, but the idea of having to experience my life over and over ad infinitum absolutely horrifying like nothing else. Anyways always good to hear from Moore.
I'm curious, how is it that you find it empowering? I would assume the opposite, seeing that it would entail that every occurence in your life would be something that happens to you rather than something that YOU make happen. I think that predeterminism does away with CHOICE, or the POWER of choice-----the power to affect the world around you. Wouldn't you agree?
@@jesse1617: The fact that in any given situation there is only one choice I would ultimatly make keeps me from being consumed by the what-ifs, and empower me to actually do something rather then going for the safer option (like doing nothing or just going along with the people around me), that would mean my "choices" would have less effect on the world around me, becouse I'm too scared of making the wrong choice.
I haven't to this yet but I'm guessing they say one of these -clandestine -transcendental -voyeuristic -chauvinist -neo-liberal -neo-classical -neo-marxist
Alan Moore's rhetoric is at least as coherent and likely far more coherent than any argument that capitalism is the "natural state" of human organization.
Capitalism is rewarding the best. Alan Moore is... One of the best. I bet you'll describe capitalism like those that are afraid to apply themselves. Those that fail, or don't try, are great Communists. Those that try, and succeed, rise to the top, like the cream of the crop.
Hawksmoor is a great novel. I hadn't known it tied-in to From Helll, or that Nicholas Hawksmoor was a historical personage. Moore's description of the crypt was very creepy, similar to what is depicted in the film As Above, So Below.
I’m half sure I’m plagiarising a comment I read when this pod came out but I can’t listen to Alan talk to Will without thinking it’s actually Felix doing a bit.
"The greatest weight.-- What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: "This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence - even this spider and this moonlight between the trees, and even this moment and I myself. The eternal hourglass of existence is turned upside down again and again, and you with it, speck of dust!" Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus?... Or how well disposed would you have to become to yourself and to life to crave nothing more fervently than this ultimate eternal confirmation and seal? " Nietzsche - The Gay Science
I think American libertarianism is inherently different from Egoism in the Stirnerist sense in that Anarcho Capitalism is fundementaly about property ownership and Egoist anarchy explicitly looks to abolish property. In other words, egoism ViOlatEs tHe nAP
I was enjoying it immensely but then started another addiction cycle at the Lucia chapter where it goes full Joycean mindfuq and was unable to continue. It's still on my floor among the garbage and when my personal Ash-Moseses permit me I will eventually finish the bastard. I find I relate a little bit to EVERYONE except maybe Mick. Want badly to be Alma but really am closer to Marla and Benedict lmfao like complete trainwreck over here
I love Alan Moore's creativity and willingness to share his knowledge and craft, But I really hate when he falls into "valley girl" speak and ends every single one of his sentences with an upwards inflection. It makes it sound like he's doubting everything he says and it's terribly annoying to hear. "The seeming insecurity of the person speaking is annoying, and we wonder how they managed to get a spot on television or radio. The Urban Dictionary calls it an affliction." -excerpt quote from Kerry Kiefer's answer on Quora: "Why do people introduce upward inflection to the end of their sentences?"
Hate seems a very strong emotion to feel in response to that. Irritation I could understand, but hate? Personally I (not hate but) am irritated by needless exaggeration. To respond more positively - I don't think it's a habit he has out of doubting his own ideas. It's a trait I've seen in other people who know they can seem dogmatic and don't want to - people who know they are seen as experts but don't want to be seen to impose their views as dogma. The uptone is deliberately framing the statement as an invitation to discuss rather than "This is my position take it or leave it!" Once that becomes a habit it tends to leak into other sentences that don't need it.
@@soblakismyself Living through 5 seconds is pretty much the same as eternity. I just found out that the "Alan Moore part" was actually the whole thing.
Heretical Hershey define what you mean when you use the term boring I’m intrigued. Did you really come to this conclusion in five seconds? You may be evidence of a parallel reality interacting incompatibly with others. There is what could be considered a boring aspect to the tone of the human voice in general.
@@sigmasix3719 Nope, just uninteresting talk about a church. My definition of "boring" is basically that: uninteresting. I think it was about a church, I was busy trying not to fall asleep.
Heretical Hershey actually you are right having heard the whole thing it was my god boring and that drawn out monotone slow explanation thing doesn’t work as ...... the church thing wasn’t very interesting and not worth the listen.
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Will is hands down one of the best interviewers in the business. That was one hell of an on-ramp to help Moore to engage at one hell of a pleasantly granular level.
absolutely, i keep coming back to this interview
I've been saying that our understanding of climate change is basically the Eldritch truth of our time, and I think HP Lovecraft absolutely nailed what people's reaction to that would be. I think Lovecraftian cosmic horror has at once never been so relevant, nor so redundant.
pretty sure ive seen this analogy on reddit and 4chan. and for that matter trump is like denethor steward of gondor who was corrupted and fell etc eetc etc
50:09 "I remain optimistic. Chiefly, because there's no point in being anything else."
Numbers
As expected of Alan Moore, creative, original, and completely mad.
Alan Moore is an international treasure.
*interdimensional treasure
Are you sure this isn’t just Felix doing a voice
Jerusalem is a life changing work, and this is one of the better AM interviews available. Great job.
Been meaning to read that
Can't wait for the boys to start doing podcasts on the esoteric occult
cant wait for alan moore to finish the moon and serpent bumper book of magic that was supposd to come out 20 years ago
@@mattb6616 it's been coming soon for 20 years.
Dude i had no idea you guys scored an interview with Alan Moore.
And the hawkmoor church story.
Jesus its frightening.
This was absolutely amazing.
You can hear Moore's beard when he talks it's funny
I see Alan Moore, I click. Great interview. I really wish Moore hadn’t left the main stream.
This was the Alan Moore I was thinking of, but not expecting. I love it.
I thought this was troll or a different alan moore at first
There's some Adorno in here in the way Moore talks about the transition of culture through the renaissance that I like quite a lot.
This is a crowning achievement in the podcast medium.
Wow thanks for the existential crisis
Personally I find predeterminism comforting and empowering, but the idea of having to experience my life over and over ad infinitum absolutely horrifying like nothing else. Anyways always good to hear from Moore.
I'm curious, how is it that you find it empowering? I would assume the opposite, seeing that it would entail that every occurence in your life would be something that happens to you rather than something that YOU make happen. I think that predeterminism does away with CHOICE, or the POWER of choice-----the power to affect the world around you. Wouldn't you agree?
@@jesse1617: The fact that in any given situation there is only one choice I would ultimatly make keeps me from being consumed by the what-ifs, and empower me to actually do something rather then going for the safer option (like doing nothing or just going along with the people around me), that would mean my "choices" would have less effect on the world around me, becouse I'm too scared of making the wrong choice.
I did a double take on that title. Awesome.
death is watching, the cat is listening, and the train goes on forever
I understood all of this and it made perfect sense to me.
I haven't to this yet but I'm guessing they say one of these
-clandestine
-transcendental
-voyeuristic
-chauvinist
-neo-liberal
-neo-classical
-neo-marxist
My favorite episode of 2019
Alan Moore's rhetoric is at least as coherent and likely far more coherent than any argument that capitalism is the "natural state" of human organization.
Capitalism is rewarding the best.
Alan Moore is... One of the best.
I bet you'll describe capitalism like those that are afraid to apply themselves. Those that fail, or don't try, are great Communists. Those that try, and succeed, rise to the top, like the cream of the crop.
@@xxcoopcoopxx I find your opinion misinformed: first principles and life experience do not show that capitalism rewards the best.
@@xxcoopcoopxx captalism rewards destroying the environment and slave labor. is this what you regard as "the best"?
Wow! I had assumed it was a different Alan Moore.
Hawksmoor is a great novel. I hadn't known it tied-in to From Helll, or that Nicholas Hawksmoor was a historical personage. Moore's description of the crypt was very creepy, similar to what is depicted in the film As Above, So Below.
Alan Moore is a living legend
Good ,new stuff from Mr Moore.
The second I saw Alan Moore in the title my weenie became big weenie
i’m gay
Getting stoned before listening to this was a good choice, perhaps it was fated
Lol weed dooood
2 minutes in: Wait, is this real? I had no idea this existed!
This is some primo uncut ketamine communism, I approve.
OINSTOIN
I am definitely buying Jerusalem now, great interview Bois!
I’m half sure I’m plagiarising a comment I read when this pod came out but I can’t listen to Alan talk to Will without thinking it’s actually Felix doing a bit.
"The greatest weight.-- What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: "This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more; and there will be nothing new in it, but every pain and every joy and every thought and sigh and everything unutterably small or great in your life will have to return to you, all in the same succession and sequence - even this spider and this moonlight between the trees, and even this moment and I myself. The eternal hourglass of existence is turned upside down again and again, and you with it, speck of dust!"
Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus?... Or how well disposed would you have to become to yourself and to life to crave nothing more fervently than this ultimate eternal confirmation and seal?
"
Nietzsche - The Gay Science
im so glad i was smoking weed when this one popped up.
Well...this descended quickly.
Thankfully.
Damn, he even goes into Julian Jaynes territory
Fascinating person
32:44. Profound.
Great interview. I remember listening to this maybe a couple of years ago - when was the original air date?
6/10/19
yeah, this.
I love checking out Chapo references. HENRY DARGER!
Alan Moore is my god
3:28
magic always includes some kind of transformation which is why i think comedians who turn tragedy into comedy are of shamanic origin.
32:44
Literally the exact part I was looking for!
How dare you people :
Will they talk about the demdebate?
I'm somewhat confused by this episode ...
I think American libertarianism is inherently different from Egoism in the Stirnerist sense in that Anarcho Capitalism is fundementaly about property ownership and Egoist anarchy explicitly looks to abolish property. In other words, egoism ViOlatEs tHe nAP
Who has finished his book Jerusalem? I've certainly tried.
I was enjoying it immensely but then started another addiction cycle at the Lucia chapter where it goes full Joycean mindfuq and was unable to continue. It's still on my floor among the garbage and when my personal Ash-Moseses permit me I will eventually finish the bastard. I find I relate a little bit to EVERYONE except maybe Mick. Want badly to be Alma but really am closer to Marla and Benedict lmfao like complete trainwreck over here
Yep. Read it when it came out, took well over a month, but one of the best things he's written in years!
Read it over a summer. Not sure I rate it particularly highly as literature but it abounds in interesting ideas.
Anyone here from the "c.o.v.I.D A.I" sermon by that one preacher?
why no views squad>>??
Anybody else here can’t stand grant Morrison?
He's okay not a fan but have read some of his stuff.
No
I liked their Animal Man story about the Wile E. Coyote character stuck in the real world
No the Invisibles rocks
He’s ok
jk
hearing americans come into contact with a really thick brummie accent will never not be funny
Brummie? dude's born and raised in Northampton, east midlands, not Birmingham
@@zackalden6447 same thing
@@dominicking8089 er not the same thing at all
post cringe
I love Alan Moore's creativity and willingness to share his knowledge and craft,
But I really hate when he falls into "valley girl" speak and ends every single one of his sentences with an upwards inflection.
It makes it sound like he's doubting everything he says and it's terribly annoying to hear.
"The seeming insecurity of the person speaking is annoying, and we wonder how they managed to get a spot on television or radio. The Urban Dictionary calls it an affliction."
-excerpt quote from Kerry Kiefer's answer on Quora: "Why do people introduce upward inflection to the end of their sentences?"
You are an upward inflection.
@@billytitus1519 If there's one thing Alan Moore understands, it's shame
Hate seems a very strong emotion to feel in response to that. Irritation I could understand, but hate? Personally I (not hate but) am irritated by needless exaggeration. To respond more positively - I don't think it's a habit he has out of doubting his own ideas. It's a trait I've seen in other people who know they can seem dogmatic and don't want to - people who know they are seen as experts but don't want to be seen to impose their views as dogma. The uptone is deliberately framing the statement as an invitation to discuss rather than "This is my position take it or leave it!" Once that becomes a habit it tends to leak into other sentences that don't need it.
Marxism is a religion you dorks
ewww. an npc.
Wow hotake! Care to elaborate?
Everything is a religion
The Alan Moore part is hands down the most boring thing Ive ever experienced.
And you will relive that experience for all of eternity.
@@soblakismyself Living through 5 seconds is pretty much the same as eternity. I just found out that the "Alan Moore part" was actually the whole thing.
Heretical Hershey define what you mean when you use the term boring I’m intrigued. Did you really come to this conclusion in five seconds? You may be evidence of a parallel reality interacting incompatibly with others. There is what could be considered a boring aspect to the tone of the human voice in general.
@@sigmasix3719 Nope, just uninteresting talk about a church. My definition of "boring" is basically that: uninteresting. I think it was about a church, I was busy trying not to fall asleep.
Heretical Hershey actually you are right having heard the whole thing it was my god boring and that drawn out monotone slow explanation thing doesn’t work as ...... the church thing wasn’t very interesting and not worth the listen.
Truly the worst episode since the one with brandon wardell
Wh….what?
Damn you're so cool and edgy dude.