Starting that chop saw while overloaded is incredible, as they typically have a high startup current. Nice work capturing the difference a toroidal transformer can make.
I’ve been waiting so long for a video like this for the XW. Thank you! Impressive capabilities for an inexpensive inverter/charger. I think more people need to truly understand the impact of surge, specifically on those high frequency inverters like EG4, Sol-Ark, MPP, Grow Watt, etc. Seems like the XW can take it, no issue. Great video!
LOVE THIS! Thank you for doing this ! Love how much time and along with clarity in your videos. I 100% am sold now on Schneider for my home in the future!! God Bless
I can say that I've been running my off-grid property for 2 years now on the XW Pro and it has done amazing! I have a 2nd unit I'm going to install once our house is done and we get all those 240V appliances online.
The grinding hum of success! This is a great video!! I have an off grid welding shop in a shipping container using a XW6048 with a rather small 400AH AGM battery bank. The XW6048 is over 12 years old and runs a tiny office, metal saws, drill press and a Millermatic 212 MIG welder. The XW line is rather bullet proof and has proven performance & longevity.
Great video as always David! I always love watching your load test videos. Nice to see the inverter meet it's rated specs (for the most part). Looking forward to seeing the imbalance test after firmware update!
Much appreciated David!!! Love the capabilities & variety of loads shown in this video, great job Sir! Also thank you for your service; Happy Veterans Day 🇺🇸
Nice video, thanks for the effort. It is an impressive inverter. the MPPT 60 150 Charge controllers are rock solid as well, those I have had for several years now
Is also a very good thing to know that manufacturers (Schneider in this case) deliver products that works as you'll expect and as they are advertised... 😎
@@DavidPozEnergy well, you love what you do at it shows. I'm very grateful for all you do and specially, when you don't know whether to go with the XW Pro, the 15K Solark and the Growatts like me. Thx for your tremendous efforts to educate us, and guide for a better off grid.
The trees by your house look beautiful. Love to see a young man succeed as you and your wife seem to have done. I enjoy your videos just don't understand anything.
Effectivement les coefficients de fonctionnement sont assez impressionnant ! merci pour ce superbe test pour ce magnifique onduleur XW PRO 6848 de chez SIGNATURE SOLAR. 👍
Ok, that's it! I'm getting this inverter! This high end inverter should last for 20 years if taken good care of. Guarding any lightning or EMP strikes that is.
I think your conclusion sounds about right. The hardware engineers would have run the load simulations or actual tests and given marketing their numbers. The firmware engineers would've likely implemented it by the time release came, but full firmware tests or other processes wouldn't have been done on that new firmware by the time the units were ready to ship. Older firmware was probably tested earlier.
Excellent video! You should work for Consumer Reports, lol. I guess it is a no brainer that if you are off-grid and need a robust system especially for shop tooling or window acon or other DON'T buy a transformerless inverter unless you like a world of nuisance pain.
Hi David, I think you should do another test to XW, being connected to the grid with a load of 9000 W and disconnecting the grid to see what happens. That would be a great test to show the people. Thanks.
I had never heard of Schneider before. The low idle makes them a serious contender when I do 48v. And if I understood correctly you can team up to three of them together for more capacity.
Thanks for this amazing video, I was considering to purchase a second XW but now that you showed us and explained there's no need for me. I will do need the insight home for monitoring and firmware upgrades. Looking forward for those videos. Thank you very much for taking the time for doing research I know is a time consuming🙂.
Your welcome. I'm planning to buy a second inverter next year. That will allow me to add an EV charger. But, I'm waiting to buy an EV before buying the second inverter.
@@DavidPozEnergy Planing on buying an EV SUV too (for my wife), but didn't know I need another inverter for that purpose plus larger PDP(have the small one). I guess I'll stick with your videos because I'm ki d of new on that field.
Needed a white wig mad scientist look for this. Great system and test. Our beast is still doing great. I had to rewire the array to boost the voltage. Been running 75v 82v Now 102 to 118. Pushing amps.
Man I’ve been waiting on this video so long. Thanks David appreciate your good work and for people to make there mind up an what they should expect from inverters like this.
Thanks a lot for your great efforts, I strongly need the three phase operation using three split inverters. I am looking forward to your video recommendation
I was having trouble with maximum wattage input, while trying different grid profiles. I'm on an Enphase system and neither Schneider or them can make recommendations. Im excited to see what you end up with. Love that your tackling the Conext line.
Schneider should team up with a few off grid guys like yourself. Solve issues, new software with easy DIY installs. They would sell like hotcakes. A quality option vs a growwatt.
I have my setup integrated w/Home Assistant. I do have the Conext Gateway and I use the TCPModbus feature in the gateway. Once you get the gateway online, you'll have a whole host of things you can do. The cloud feature is eh for control. It's main features are centered around on-grid reporting. But since I use Home Assistant and have a way to connect to HA from anywhere I have internet, I can report and control directly there as well do all kinds of graphing and reporting.
Wow.. nice... about a decade ago I was reading all of the specs on that Xantrex/Schiender XW system and was very impressed. IIRC, you can gang up to 3 of them in parallel for 18 kW continuous / 36 kW peak load.
Both the Growatts and this Schneider have been able to power my whole house without shutting down. I'm happy with both. The Growatts are less money, but I have found the power from the Schneider is more stable, and better quality.
@@clarencewiles963 the latest firmware is data 18 Aug 2021 Release 120-240V Firmware 01.11.01 Build 0049 - current bits from their website. Amazing they haven't gotten the manufacturing process updated with those bits, unless they have had over a year's worth of inventory sitting in a warehouse. What firmware is currently installed - oh you will need the InsightLocal setup to determine that
Make sure that you are not powering the system thru the Schneider when you do the firmware update. I am completely offgrid and have to run the generator and switch to generator power in the PDP. Problem is during the firnware update the inverter will restart. Your insight, internet router needs independent power source or the firmware update fails. I have the XW6848+ for the house and a XW 5548 for the garage/workshop. The 5548 powers my 18amp Powermatic table saw and 12 amp dust collector with no problem.
The same with power outages. Most people don't realize that their router connects to the internet via amplifiers on the power grid poles and they also go down when the grid fails. That in turn can cause the inverter(s) to go down as the router starts doing self checks, etc. in response to the loss of internet. I've see backup power systems that can't actually provide backup power for 7 minutes or so after the grid failure and loss of internet.
I have been in love with this inverter since 2013. I have the AIMS 4k 240v 48v now and run all of my 120v and one 240v load. The aims is strong for what you pay it been since about 2015 running 24/7. I want the shneider but my wallet is saying AIMS 6k 240v 48v inverter charger.
great video !....... i would like to see this beast after the update. the L1-N test maxed out is awesome. could we see a load ((minimal- 120v 5-10a) on L2)) while the L1-N test is going on. just wanted to see if that takes anything away from the max numbers you achieved. keep up the good work !!!
Very informative. I like how you really push the tests (not sure what your wife thinks when stuff just shuts off). This system sounds good - if it just didn't cost so much. As a side note: I like your look better with the short hair and clean shaven.
During much of the testing I had the house on grid power. I didn't want to disturb my wife, but also I wanted to control the loads throughout the test duration.
LF inverters rock, My Victron has been running flawlessly for more than 7 years with basically 0 issues, the only thing I've had to do is firmware, all the other stuff like blowing out the housing to keep it as dust free as possible is just part of maintenance for me..
Great video yeah 👍🏻! Even though I don't understand everything was good to know some in's and out's about how it works... Thank you David... I'm trying to put a system to run a AC, some PCs and Tvs and some lights and other day to day devices when I move... And this info is awesome.
It appears as if your watt hour meters are reading the current from one line, and the voltage from the other. During the one line load test, the voltage on the line under test went up, and the voltage on the unloaded line went down.
remember: the internal contactors/transfer switchs are rated at 60A per leg. so there is that too. and HONESTLY, i'm surprised you were able to get in touch, LET ALONE AN ANSWER from schneider! period. their customer service sux. bad! LOVE my equipment thou. your video proves they are rock solid. CHEERS!
David, I am trying to select either Schneider XW-pro with its charge controller, insight home, etc. or a pair of Victron Multiplus II 48V 5000VA inverters to generate 120/240 split phase. I would like to see you comparing these two in terms of different metrics -cost, surge capability, power, easy to do configuration setting, difficulty of installation, etc. If I go with Victron inverter I will buy Victron charge controller, Cerbo Gx, Lynx distributor, etc. It will be awesome if you come up with scores of these metrics for two high quality products. Thanks. Nick
Both are high quality brands. Both will provide an exceptionally clean sine-wave, high efficiency, and low idle. You won't go wrong with either. The first question would be about permits and inspection. Schneider has set up their equipment to all be UL Listed. From the Inverter, PDP, wire-way, and charge controllers. So if you are worried about passing an electrical inspection, Schneider is the way to go. The second question is the maximum load. Victron 5000, is a 4,000 Watt cont. This means 8kW total cont (two units in parallel). That beats out a single Schneider at 6.8kW cont. I would love to test the Victron setup in a similar over-loading test at some point. But, I don't have the finances to buy a whole Victron system just for a video.
Good job on gathering this data. I will soon publish a video with a 120V MIG flux core welder. Sadly, the Renogy 12V 3000W fails to do it, the welder just shut down at the moment of the first arc. So I connected a 12V Magnum 2800W inverter which does it, it will fail after about 1 min of constant soldering. Now I decided to go 24V, so I just got another 24V Magnum, I have some stuff to solder, I hope it will last more than 1 minute! Also noticed the Stihl 120V 1800W chainsaw is more powerful and start more instantly with the Magnum. The 5000W and 8000W WZRELB inverters are dead (blown mosfets), so let's assume the test fails.
Yes, I did. I've been running my whole property (house and garage) on this one Schneider inverter for several months. I did pick up a second one because I want to add an EV charger eventually, but I don't have an EV yet.
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Are there any other inverters that can compare with such a low idle? That you can team them up makes up for there not being larger models. They do need a redesign for the exterior of the case. The interior design... I have not seen butter. I really appreciate that this is an inverter and not a combo unit with a charge controller. Do one thing and do it well.
Speaking to idle consumption only: I think the Schneider is the most efficient. Second would probably be the Outback Radian, then third is the Victron Quattro. After that, in fourth place, it's probably a toss up to the newer EG4 models and Sol-Arks, but I'm not sure.
Schneider has settings built in as default that kick off an alarm sooner. They are likely correct that firmware will fix. What I really want to see is its possible to load microinverters on the Grid-in AC side to get direct AC from PV panels (while off grid) . I called Schneider and they said they officially don't support the configuration but I don't see why it wouldn't work.
I use this time of year as the time to prove how well my solar is doing. Heating my home with heat pumps takes some power and solar production is down. I find winter to be a learning experiance.@@DavidPozEnergy
On other 120/240 low frequency inverters, like Genetry Solar, also use firmware settings to limit power draw… so I am not surprised that this high end unit is supposed to limit in firmware.
now you can see the real size of it compaared to the first look overview where it did not look so huge like on your wall behind you. That is tall, really big compared to the Growatt in the background
Under light electrical use household lights flicker . Sometimes more than others when a large load was turned on like our dryer it would instantly stop . Other times when it was in grid bypass mode power would just turn off for a few seconds then come on. For no apparent reason. 10 days ago the power went out and 2p2 had fault code for communication. 2p1 will not even turn back on. We have been back on grid since. Can’t even get ahold of Signature Solar . We are researching for a quality replacement. I want something rock solid that simply works and I don’t have to constantly monitor or babysit . Thanks for your videos and feedback sir
What's the ambient temperature? Low frequency inverters are more affected by heat. Most of them have to be significantly derated as you get higher and higher above room temp.
David, great video. Can you do a video doing a grid-shaving ability with this setup? I'd love to get one of these to work with my sunny islands on the AC side and peak shave my A/C usage. The sunny islands require some fudging of numbers using a microcontroller to spoof the LIBat voltage to backfeed the grid and documentation is nonsense as to how to accomplish this natively. I would prefer buying a pair of 6048's if they can ac couple and backfeed the grid to peak shave over a solark.
What sort of testing do you want to do? I have the smaller version of this AC coupled with a SolarEdge inverter. I can tell you my experiences. Ac coupling works just fine I’ve been doing it for almost 5 years.
@@DavidPozEnergy so it looks like the transformer. Is connected to another electronic device. And one of the cables, looks like a black cable. Is disconnected.
In this video I show a photo of the inverter partially disassembled, so that we can see the transformer. The wires would come up front to the bridge board usually. But, the bridge board was removed as part of the disassembly. When the inverter is fully assembled, you don't have access to the transformer.
@@DavidPozEnergy oh I see, so I just ordered my Schneider electric, inverter from signature solar. Going to give it a try. So do you recommend cement board to mount it. I have both 1/8 and 1/4 and also have 3/4 inch plywood.
Hi. The manual says to mount onto a non-flammable surface. If you are mounting to a wood-stud wall, and the studs are 16 inches on center, then use a thin cement board. The mounting flange has holes 16"oc for studs. However, if you are mounting on a stud wall 24"oc, then use 3/4" thick fire-resistant plywood. The plywood will span more studs to spread out the load. BTW, did you happen to use one of my affiliate links for your purchase? Affiliate links really help out the channel, but only work if you buy through the link. Thanks.
If you want that much power off grid and reliably give you power for 20 years then buy an outback radian or this. Period. These newer small lightweight transformerless inventers are terrible at holding voltage and frequency during heavier load applications. A good rule is for every 1 KW, an inverter should weigh at least 15 lb.
Good video some good test but would really like to see the load transfer switch tested this was a known weak point in Schneider 48v inverters before and the only reason I bought a magnum 4448 I’m exclusively off grid and when charging with a generator and running loads it can be easy overload your generator when it cuts off that high current loan when it switches back to inverting is solely on the transfer switch
The internal relays are rated for 60A. I plan to make a video with my Generator, but can you help me understand better what exactly you want to see tested?
@@DavidPozEnergy when the generator shuts down whether it be turned off run out of gas or over loaded it should automatically switch over to inverting a good one you shouldn’t even see a flicker in the lights need to have it under a high load 60a is a lot I’m pretty sure that’s how much magnum energy 4448 is rated for I love it it’s been very efficient and I’ve haven’t been able to overload it but that’s what killed my last inverter it was a cheap Sungold generator was running it shut off while the well pump was going and it fried the transfer
David I have a question about the Schneider Electric sw4024 inverter seems my output at the wall outlet of 110 I'm only getting 108 volts is there a way to increase this to at least 110 I would like to see it at least 120
I assume, that when you say "at the wall", you mean: From the inverter, through wires to a panel, then through wires to a wall outlet? If that's the case, then: First, measure the Voltage at the inverter output terminals. The SW inverter is a 120/240V split-phase inverter. So, at the output terminals you should be reading 120V and 240V. (plus or minus a Volt) If you are reading 108V at the inverter output terminals, then something is wrong. You might be able to adjust the Voltage in the settings using something like the insight home, but I don't know for sure. I'd call customer service and ask them. If you are reading 120V at the inverter terminals, then the problem isn't with the inverter, it's with the Voltage drop across your AC wires. Take a look at how it's wired from the inverter to the wall outlet. How many different connections is it making? What is the wire gauge between all the steps? You might be able to change something out with thicker wire.
@@DavidPozEnergy thank you for your reply basically across the terminals of the inverter is 124 volt AC which is perfect I'm running a 15 ft Romex 14/2 Cable Direct from the terminal of the inverter 2 the houseplug Outlet.. the plug and outlet are brand new. I'll try swapping out plug to see if will raise voltage. Ty sooooo much for reply. I truly feel better knowing inverter is doing its job perfectly. Q: I'm not running pnp and want to attach 4 wires ( 8 gauge) to load center , this way i can properly branch out branch circuits. Do you have a pic or diagram i can follow?
Great to hear the inverter is putting out good Voltage. I don't know what you mean by "pnp" Using a load center is always a good thing to do. I'd pick up a basic one at Home Depot, or Lowes. Sorry, I don't have a wiring diagram.
my inverter/charger is the EG4 6500w. so 5000w x 80% / 54v = about 73 amps However, if i want to charge at .5 c for my LFP batteries (100 amps); then i need to charge at 50 amps. correct?
Hello DTG, thx a lot again for such a tremendous expertise. I just can't get away from AGM batteries. I like them specially, the way you connect them. Call me "ancient" but if I ever go lithium, I would rather deal with discovery aes 2,000 amp or 6,500 amp per battery. (They too come in 24 volt configuration for the 2,000 amp and 48 volt for the 6,550 amp) You can even mount them upside down for proximity reasons. Once again thank you so much for all you do DTG. PS (Would you one day do a dual testing? Pairing 2 XW?)
Growatt Vs Schneider Inverter...I'm TORN.. I'm all out of faith, this is how I feel I'm cold and I am shamed Lying naked on the floor Illusion never changed Into something real, I'm wide awake and I can see the perfect sky is torn, You're a little late, I'm already torn.
What inverter would you recommend for a 5 ton AC unit in Arizona? If my math is correct, the unit will pull 5Kwh per hour, Solar will be 18KW of panels and 30KWH EG4-LL v2.
In the last video (Schneider Part 2) I showed the idle consumption of 31 Watts, as read on my Victron Smart Shunt. When I say "idle" I mean the inverter is ON, making a sinewave, but no loads.
How is the Schneider with sensitive electronics? 5 percent THD is quite a bit more than other brands. Otherwise I love how inverter/trunking/mppts/and so on fit nicely together though.
I haven't noticed any problem with my electronics. I don't know of a way to test THD in my garage. The manual has a page dedicated to talking about RF noise and how this inverter meets the government specs for use around radios. Sorry I'm no expert when it comes to electronic noise.
Starting that chop saw while overloaded is incredible, as they typically have a high startup current. Nice work capturing the difference a toroidal transformer can make.
Yeah, I was pretty thrilled with that one.
I’ve been waiting so long for a video like this for the XW. Thank you! Impressive capabilities for an inexpensive inverter/charger. I think more people need to truly understand the impact of surge, specifically on those high frequency inverters like EG4, Sol-Ark, MPP, Grow Watt, etc. Seems like the XW can take it, no issue. Great video!
LOVE THIS! Thank you for doing this ! Love how much time and along with clarity in your videos. I 100% am sold now on Schneider for my home in the future!! God Bless
Your welcome. Thanks for appreciating the time involved.
I can say that I've been running my off-grid property for 2 years now on the XW Pro and it has done amazing! I have a 2nd unit I'm going to install once our house is done and we get all those 240V appliances online.
@@DavidPozEnergy how many of these can be paralleled ?
The grinding hum of success! This is a great video!! I have an off grid welding shop in a shipping container using a XW6048 with a rather small 400AH AGM battery bank. The XW6048 is over 12 years old and runs a tiny office, metal saws, drill press and a Millermatic 212 MIG welder. The XW line is rather bullet proof and has proven performance & longevity.
12 years doing that! Wow, quite a testimonial. Thanks for sharing.
Great video as always David! I always love watching your load test videos. Nice to see the inverter meet it's rated specs (for the most part). Looking forward to seeing the imbalance test after firmware update!
Thanks for the helpful info it was painful to watch execting the inverter to shut down. Great video.
Much appreciated David!!! Love the capabilities & variety of loads shown in this video, great job Sir!
Also thank you for your service; Happy Veterans Day 🇺🇸
Thank you for watching and leaving a comment
I also ran my XW Pro well above the the 12Kw- briefly pulled 13Kw. David Poz got me started on my solar hobby lol! Thanks for all the hard work.
How load is the humming or fan noise please? I have a 12gw growatt that’s messing with my ears. Can you used a decibel meeting to check. Thanks
You really caned that inverter! - the best way to really test it thank you for sharing.
Nice video, thanks for the effort. It is an impressive inverter. the MPPT 60 150 Charge controllers are rock solid as well, those I have had for several years now
Great review thanks for all the time and effort you put into your channel, IT SHOWS!
Thank you. I appreciate you saying that.
Very good hardware, we resell here in the UK. If you stack the inverters the outputs double and quadruple.... etc, ALL THE OUTPUTS!
David you are an impressive human! Thank you for sharing these videos 🎈
That's a very nice machine. I now have no doubt that it has it's roots in the Trace Engineering SW series. Very cool that those live on in some form.
Is also a very good thing to know that manufacturers (Schneider in this case) deliver products that works as you'll expect and as they are advertised... 😎
Hello DTG, I like to hear your signature laughter when you're excited. (Thx again Dave The Great)
Ha, never heard that nickname before. But I'll take it. Thanks for enjoying the video with me.
@@DavidPozEnergy well, you love what you do at it shows. I'm very grateful for all you do and specially, when you don't know whether to go with the XW Pro, the 15K Solark and the Growatts like me. Thx for your tremendous efforts to educate us, and guide for a better off grid.
The trees by your house look beautiful. Love to see a young man succeed as you and your wife seem to have done. I enjoy your videos just don't understand anything.
Oh damn, that thing is a monster!
Effectivement les coefficients de fonctionnement sont assez impressionnant ! merci pour ce superbe test pour ce magnifique onduleur XW PRO 6848 de chez SIGNATURE SOLAR. 👍
wow... that's a monster of an inverter
Ok, that's it! I'm getting this inverter! This high end inverter should last for 20 years if taken good care of. Guarding any lightning or EMP strikes that is.
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Thanks!
Thank you very much.
I think your conclusion sounds about right. The hardware engineers would have run the load simulations or actual tests and given marketing their numbers. The firmware engineers would've likely implemented it by the time release came, but full firmware tests or other processes wouldn't have been done on that new firmware by the time the units were ready to ship. Older firmware was probably tested earlier.
Excellent video! You should work for Consumer Reports, lol. I guess it is a no brainer that if you are off-grid and need a robust system especially for shop tooling or window acon or other DON'T buy a transformerless inverter unless you like a world of nuisance pain.
I've installed three of these at my house. Fully off grid!!!
Awesome!
Hi David, I think you should do another test to XW, being connected to the grid with a load of 9000 W and disconnecting the grid to see what happens. That would be a great test to show the people.
Thanks.
I had never heard of Schneider before. The low idle makes them a serious contender when I do 48v. And if I understood correctly you can team up to three of them together for more capacity.
Up to 4 in single phase, and up to 6 in 3 phase.
Thanks for this amazing video, I was considering to purchase a second XW but now that you showed us and explained there's no need for me. I will do need the insight home for monitoring and firmware upgrades. Looking forward for those videos. Thank you very much for taking the time for doing research I know is a time consuming🙂.
Your welcome.
I'm planning to buy a second inverter next year. That will allow me to add an EV charger. But, I'm waiting to buy an EV before buying the second inverter.
@@DavidPozEnergy
Planing on buying an EV SUV too (for my wife), but didn't know I need another inverter for that purpose plus larger PDP(have the small one). I guess I'll stick with your videos because I'm ki d of new on that field.
Needed a white wig mad scientist look for this. Great system and test. Our beast is still doing great. I had to rewire the array to boost the voltage. Been running 75v 82v Now 102 to 118. Pushing amps.
Nice. Still running the Aims inverter?
@@DavidPozEnergy Yes sir! She's going strong!
Another very good video. Looking forward to viewing more.
Man I’ve been waiting on this video so long. Thanks David appreciate your good work and for people to make there mind up an what they should expect from inverters like this.
Glad to help.
I’m getting one of these inverters! Can’t wait
Thanks a lot for your great efforts,
I strongly need the three phase operation using three split inverters. I am looking forward to your video recommendation
Good going. Nice suite of tests.
Highly IMPRESSIVE!
This is awesome!! Nice work putting it through it's paces. That must have taken FOREVER!
It sure did. But, hey, haven't you been testing yours? :)
Love your channel Dave! I've been wrestling the "AC Coupling" functions with my Conext. Hope you dive into some of the more detailed settings.
I'm testing out some AC coupling right now. What challenges are you facing?
I was having trouble with maximum wattage input, while trying different grid profiles. I'm on an Enphase system and neither Schneider or them can make recommendations. Im excited to see what you end up with. Love that your tackling the Conext line.
A beast. Now if they could just modernize the software/support.
Or a all in one package deal. They need to get this into the masses.
Yeah, it would be nice if some form of communication (like bluetooth to an app) would be built into this from the factory.
Schneider should team up with a few off grid guys like yourself. Solve issues, new software with easy DIY installs. They would sell like hotcakes. A quality option vs a growwatt.
Power companies should be afraid of these.
I have my setup integrated w/Home Assistant. I do have the Conext Gateway and I use the TCPModbus feature in the gateway. Once you get the gateway online, you'll have a whole host of things you can do. The cloud feature is eh for control. It's main features are centered around on-grid reporting. But since I use Home Assistant and have a way to connect to HA from anywhere I have internet, I can report and control directly there as well do all kinds of graphing and reporting.
@@davidchristensen1219 Any good write ups on this? Or are you just adding all of the Modbus registers and logging them? Thanks!
Wow.. nice... about a decade ago I was reading all of the specs on that Xantrex/Schiender XW system and was very impressed. IIRC, you can gang up to 3 of them in parallel for 18 kW continuous / 36 kW peak load.
I don't know what the specs were a decade ago, but this current version (XW PRO) can parallel 4 inverters in split phase, or 6 inverters in 3 phase.
@@DavidPozEnergy So they allow 4 now? Nice. I always wondered why they limited it to 3. If you can do 2, you can do 20+.
So your satisfied over the Growatt! So thanks again for your work!
Both the Growatts and this Schneider have been able to power my whole house without shutting down. I'm happy with both. The Growatts are less money, but I have found the power from the Schneider is more stable, and better quality.
@@DavidPozEnergy is it always the update? Bottom line is all the manufacturers are improving and still the prices are coming down. Thanks.
@@clarencewiles963 the latest firmware is data 18 Aug 2021 Release 120-240V Firmware 01.11.01 Build 0049 - current bits from their website. Amazing they haven't gotten the manufacturing process updated with those bits, unless they have had over a year's worth of inventory sitting in a warehouse. What firmware is currently installed - oh you will need the InsightLocal setup to determine that
Make sure that you are not powering the system thru the Schneider when you do the firmware update. I am completely offgrid and have to run the generator and switch to generator power in the PDP. Problem is during the firnware update the inverter will restart. Your insight, internet router needs independent power source or the firmware update fails. I have the XW6848+ for the house and a XW 5548 for the garage/workshop. The 5548 powers my 18amp Powermatic table saw and 12 amp dust collector with no problem.
The same with power outages. Most people don't realize that their router connects to the internet via amplifiers on the power grid poles and they also go down when the grid fails. That in turn can cause the inverter(s) to go down as the router starts doing self checks, etc. in response to the loss of internet. I've see backup power systems that can't actually provide backup power for 7 minutes or so after the grid failure and loss of internet.
Happy Veterans Day David!
Thanks.
An enjoyable video to watch.
Thank you.
Please do an in-depth video of connecting the inside home to the Wi-Fi network and Cloud that would be a great big help to a lot of people
Thinking the same.
Whilst away from home would be good to remote in and check on the unit.
I have been in love with this inverter since 2013. I have the AIMS 4k 240v 48v now and run all of my 120v and one 240v load. The aims is strong for what you pay it been since about 2015 running 24/7. I want the shneider but my wallet is saying AIMS 6k 240v 48v inverter charger.
Great video and testing. Thank you.
Hell of an Inverter...!!!
Like the all seeing eye of horos for your shirt
The shirt is from Shaws hiker hostel in Maine. I built him a little solar system about a year and a half ago.
great video !....... i would like to see this beast after the update. the L1-N test maxed out is awesome. could we see a load ((minimal- 120v 5-10a) on L2)) while the L1-N test is going on. just wanted to see if that takes anything away from the max numbers you achieved.
keep up the good work !!!
Very informative. I like how you really push the tests (not sure what your wife thinks when stuff just shuts off). This system sounds good - if it just didn't cost so much.
As a side note: I like your look better with the short hair and clean shaven.
During much of the testing I had the house on grid power. I didn't want to disturb my wife, but also I wanted to control the loads throughout the test duration.
Surely impressive tests.
Looks like a solid buy.
LF inverters rock, My Victron has been running flawlessly for more than 7 years with basically 0 issues, the only thing I've had to do is firmware, all the other stuff like blowing out the housing to keep it as dust free as possible is just part of maintenance for me..
Great video yeah 👍🏻! Even though I don't understand everything was good to know some in's and out's about how it works... Thank you David... I'm trying to put a system to run a AC, some PCs and Tvs and some lights and other day to day devices when I move... And this info is awesome.
I'm glad it will help you.
It appears as if your watt hour meters are reading the current from one line, and the voltage from the other. During the one line load test, the voltage on the line under test went up, and the voltage on the unloaded line went down.
Good catch!
Amazing and the price is right.
remember: the internal contactors/transfer switchs are rated at 60A per leg. so there is that too. and HONESTLY, i'm surprised you were able to get in touch, LET ALONE AN ANSWER from schneider! period. their customer service sux. bad!
LOVE my equipment thou. your video proves they are rock solid. CHEERS!
Low frequency transformer inverter WIN !
This may be why Signature Solar haven’t sent any EG4 invertors .wow.that’s a test
That was amazing!! Thank you!!
Your welcome
David, I am trying to select either Schneider XW-pro with its charge controller, insight home, etc. or a pair of Victron Multiplus II 48V 5000VA inverters to generate 120/240 split phase. I would like to see you comparing these two in terms of different metrics -cost, surge capability, power, easy to do configuration setting, difficulty of installation, etc. If I go with Victron inverter I will buy Victron charge controller, Cerbo Gx, Lynx distributor, etc. It will be awesome if you come up with scores of these metrics for two high quality products. Thanks. Nick
Both are high quality brands. Both will provide an exceptionally clean sine-wave, high efficiency, and low idle. You won't go wrong with either.
The first question would be about permits and inspection. Schneider has set up their equipment to all be UL Listed. From the Inverter, PDP, wire-way, and charge controllers. So if you are worried about passing an electrical inspection, Schneider is the way to go.
The second question is the maximum load. Victron 5000, is a 4,000 Watt cont. This means 8kW total cont (two units in parallel). That beats out a single Schneider at 6.8kW cont.
I would love to test the Victron setup in a similar over-loading test at some point. But, I don't have the finances to buy a whole Victron system just for a video.
Thanks from México
Great Video.. Thanks. Question? Have you seen the panel rack built by the UT channel "Ambition Strikes?" Wow! You have to go back 4 and 5 months ago.
Yes, on the shipping container.
Good job on gathering this data. I will soon publish a video with a 120V MIG flux core welder. Sadly, the Renogy 12V 3000W fails to do it, the welder just shut down at the moment of the first arc. So I connected a 12V Magnum 2800W inverter which does it, it will fail after about 1 min of constant soldering. Now I decided to go 24V, so I just got another 24V Magnum, I have some stuff to solder, I hope it will last more than 1 minute! Also noticed the Stihl 120V 1800W chainsaw is more powerful and start more instantly with the Magnum. The 5000W and 8000W WZRELB inverters are dead (blown mosfets), so let's assume the test fails.
Nice testing. Magnum has a nice big transformer in it. I've heard good things about Magnum, but never had the pleasure of testing them .
Are you going to switch Growatt Inverters with Schneider one? Seem likes a almost perfect Inverter 😊
Thank you David, you are tha man😃😃😃😃
Yes, I did. I've been running my whole property (house and garage) on this one Schneider inverter for several months. I did pick up a second one because I want to add an EV charger eventually, but I don't have an EV yet.
@@DavidPozEnergy Perfect, will install same when we are ready, Thank you David🇺🇸👍🇺🇸👍
Glad to help. If you want an easy way to support the channel, please make your purchase through my affiliate link: signaturesolar.com/?ref=4_rHcgZ9x-TiF- They sell the batteries and Schneider equipment.
@@DavidPozEnergy Definitely will do that👍
Are there any other inverters that can compare with such a low idle?
That you can team them up makes up for there not being larger models. They do need a redesign for the exterior of the case. The interior design... I have not seen butter. I really appreciate that this is an inverter and not a combo unit with a charge controller. Do one thing and do it well.
Speaking to idle consumption only: I think the Schneider is the most efficient. Second would probably be the Outback Radian, then third is the Victron Quattro. After that, in fourth place, it's probably a toss up to the newer EG4 models and Sol-Arks, but I'm not sure.
Nice toys!
In Australia we use the XW 8548 pro 8500 watts delivery for 30 minutes...
Nice video . Would be curious though when you do the update on the settings if it improves any of the other test .
Schneider has settings built in as default that kick off an alarm sooner. They are likely correct that firmware will fix. What I really want to see is its possible to load microinverters on the Grid-in AC side to get direct AC from PV panels (while off grid) . I called Schneider and they said they officially don't support the configuration but I don't see why it wouldn't work.
Whoops I misread this. I'm AC coupled on the scout side.
Great video! Next hi load test could you share what the DC current its pulling from the batteries.
would love to see a video on how it is going making the transition off grid. I am also making the transition.
It's going well. Right now not all my solar is tied in. I have to finish building out this system. How is your transition going?
I use this time of year as the time to prove how well my solar is doing. Heating my home with heat pumps takes some power and solar production is down. I find winter to be a learning experiance.@@DavidPozEnergy
Amazong video, and amazing inverter!!
I have a ground source heat pump with an LRA of 83amps. Do you think this inverter can handle that? A soft start could bring that LRA down to 30 amps.
Like to see the same test with the software update
EasyStart™ 368 Soft Starter just answered my own question
On other 120/240 low frequency inverters, like Genetry Solar, also use firmware settings to limit power draw… so I am not surprised that this high end unit is supposed to limit in firmware.
now you can see the real size of it compaared to the first look overview where it did not look so huge like on your wall behind you. That is tall, really big compared to the Growatt in the background
I wish I had learned of these inverters before throwing money away on EG4 6500
I've heard some people are having trouble with the EG4 6500 inverter. I've never tested one of those, what's happening with it?
@@DavidPozEnergy Hi David , we had these installed mid October of last year.
Under light electrical use household lights flicker . Sometimes more than others when a large load was turned on like our dryer it would instantly stop . Other times when it was in grid bypass mode power would just turn off for a few seconds then come on. For no apparent reason. 10 days ago the power went out and 2p2 had fault code for communication. 2p1 will not even turn back on.
We have been back on grid since. Can’t even get ahold of Signature Solar .
We are researching for a quality replacement. I want something rock solid that simply works and I don’t have to constantly monitor or babysit .
Thanks for your videos and feedback sir
What's the ambient temperature? Low frequency inverters are more affected by heat. Most of them have to be significantly derated as you get higher and higher above room temp.
The manual gives a lot of information on temperature. It's quite impressive. I linked to the manual in the description.
@@DavidPozEnergy What was the ambient temperature in your garage during testing?
My garage is pretty steady at 68F.
Welding gloves, apron, face shield, and ... bare legs!
Did you use the Conext AGS to connect to your generators?
No. I have another video with a generator test. In that other video I manually turned on my generator.
Can you tell me what the solar configuration was for this test, 1 or 2 MPPT's, how many solar panels, battery capacity
This video is about load testing the Schneider inverter. No solar involved in the testing in this video.
David, great video. Can you do a video doing a grid-shaving ability with this setup? I'd love to get one of these to work with my sunny islands on the AC side and peak shave my A/C usage. The sunny islands require some fudging of numbers using a microcontroller to spoof the LIBat voltage to backfeed the grid and documentation is nonsense as to how to accomplish this natively. I would prefer buying a pair of 6048's if they can ac couple and backfeed the grid to peak shave over a solark.
I'm sorry, but I test these off grid.
What sort of testing do you want to do? I have the smaller version of this AC coupled with a SolarEdge inverter. I can tell you my experiences.
Ac coupling works just fine I’ve been doing it for almost 5 years.
Hi David, whats the idle consumption of the XW Pro 6848? No savings mode or search mode please!
31 Watts, as measured on my Victron Smart Shunt. I show this in the video where I hook up this inverter: ruclips.net/video/jZJZYjBuhnQ/видео.html
@@DavidPozEnergy thx u
Maybe one day we can test two in parallel. Assuming I ever get a house built. :D
David i do have another question, just curious. So on the transformer you wouldn't happened to know. Why one of the terminals is off?
Not sure what you are referring to.
@@DavidPozEnergy so it looks like the transformer. Is connected to another electronic device. And one of the cables, looks like a black cable. Is disconnected.
In this video I show a photo of the inverter partially disassembled, so that we can see the transformer. The wires would come up front to the bridge board usually. But, the bridge board was removed as part of the disassembly. When the inverter is fully assembled, you don't have access to the transformer.
@@DavidPozEnergy oh I see, so I just ordered my Schneider electric, inverter from signature solar. Going to give it a try. So do you recommend cement board to mount it. I have both 1/8 and 1/4 and also have 3/4 inch plywood.
Hi. The manual says to mount onto a non-flammable surface. If you are mounting to a wood-stud wall, and the studs are 16 inches on center, then use a thin cement board. The mounting flange has holes 16"oc for studs. However, if you are mounting on a stud wall 24"oc, then use 3/4" thick fire-resistant plywood. The plywood will span more studs to spread out the load.
BTW, did you happen to use one of my affiliate links for your purchase? Affiliate links really help out the channel, but only work if you buy through the link. Thanks.
If you want that much power off grid and reliably give you power for 20 years then buy an outback radian or this. Period. These newer small lightweight transformerless inventers are terrible at holding voltage and frequency during heavier load applications. A good rule is for every 1 KW, an inverter should weigh at least 15 lb.
Good video some good test but would really like to see the load transfer switch tested this was a known weak point in Schneider 48v inverters before and the only reason I bought a magnum 4448 I’m exclusively off grid and when charging with a generator and running loads it can be easy overload your generator when it cuts off that high current loan when it switches back to inverting is solely on the transfer switch
The internal relays are rated for 60A. I plan to make a video with my Generator, but can you help me understand better what exactly you want to see tested?
@@DavidPozEnergy when the generator shuts down whether it be turned off run out of gas or over loaded it should automatically switch over to inverting a good one you shouldn’t even see a flicker in the lights need to have it under a high load 60a is a lot I’m pretty sure that’s how much magnum energy 4448 is rated for I love it it’s been very efficient and I’ve haven’t been able to overload it but that’s what killed my last inverter it was a cheap Sungold generator was running it shut off while the well pump was going and it fried the transfer
Thanks David
David I have a question about the Schneider Electric sw4024 inverter seems my output at the wall outlet of 110 I'm only getting 108 volts is there a way to increase this to at least 110 I would like to see it at least 120
I assume, that when you say "at the wall", you mean: From the inverter, through wires to a panel, then through wires to a wall outlet? If that's the case, then:
First, measure the Voltage at the inverter output terminals. The SW inverter is a 120/240V split-phase inverter. So, at the output terminals you should be reading 120V and 240V. (plus or minus a Volt) If you are reading 108V at the inverter output terminals, then something is wrong. You might be able to adjust the Voltage in the settings using something like the insight home, but I don't know for sure. I'd call customer service and ask them.
If you are reading 120V at the inverter terminals, then the problem isn't with the inverter, it's with the Voltage drop across your AC wires. Take a look at how it's wired from the inverter to the wall outlet. How many different connections is it making? What is the wire gauge between all the steps? You might be able to change something out with thicker wire.
@@DavidPozEnergy thank you for your reply basically across the terminals of the inverter is 124 volt AC which is perfect I'm running a 15 ft Romex 14/2 Cable Direct from the terminal of the inverter 2 the houseplug Outlet.. the plug and outlet are brand new. I'll try swapping out plug to see if will raise voltage. Ty sooooo much for reply. I truly feel better knowing inverter is doing its job perfectly. Q: I'm not running pnp and want to attach 4 wires ( 8 gauge) to load center , this way i can properly branch out branch circuits. Do you have a pic or diagram i can follow?
Great to hear the inverter is putting out good Voltage.
I don't know what you mean by "pnp"
Using a load center is always a good thing to do. I'd pick up a basic one at Home Depot, or Lowes. Sorry, I don't have a wiring diagram.
What size of solar array do you have? and do you have a video of that connected to this system? Thanks, great video
my inverter/charger is the EG4 6500w. so 5000w x 80% / 54v = about 73 amps However, if i want to charge at .5 c for my LFP batteries (100 amps); then i need to charge at 50 amps.
correct?
Generally you want to charge a lithium battery at 0.5C rate. Yes, that would be 50A on a 100Ah battery.
Hello DTG, thx a lot again for such a tremendous expertise. I just can't get away from AGM batteries. I like them specially, the way you connect them. Call me "ancient" but if I ever go lithium, I would rather deal with discovery aes 2,000 amp or 6,500 amp per battery. (They too come in 24 volt configuration for the 2,000 amp and 48 volt for the 6,550 amp) You can even mount them upside down for proximity reasons. Once again thank you so much for all you do DTG. PS (Would you one day do a dual testing? Pairing 2 XW?)
Great video.... have you tested a Sol-Ark 12K inverter.?
Yes, I have tested the Sol-Ark 12K inverter. I have a few videos on it from last year.
Growatt Vs Schneider Inverter...I'm TORN..
I'm all out of faith, this is how I feel I'm cold and I am shamed Lying naked on the floor Illusion never changed Into something real, I'm wide awake and I can see the perfect sky is torn, You're a little late, I'm already torn.
Nice work! Did you try the imbalance after the firmware upgrade?
Yes, and the firmware did increase the imbalance. I didn't expect it to, but it's cool.
So this to me means snider is the only way to go?
It depends on your application, but the Schneider is certainly a top performing inverter.
What inverter would you recommend for a 5 ton AC unit in Arizona? If my math is correct, the unit will pull 5Kwh per hour, Solar will be 18KW of panels and 30KWH EG4-LL v2.
Great test... Do u have an idea of the self-consumption of this large inverter ?
In the last video (Schneider Part 2) I showed the idle consumption of 31 Watts, as read on my Victron Smart Shunt. When I say "idle" I mean the inverter is ON, making a sinewave, but no loads.
@@DavidPozEnergy Thanks a lot David;;; 31W for such huge inverter is pretty awsome.... Only studer beats it (22W for the 8000VA model)
How is the Schneider with sensitive electronics?
5 percent THD is quite a bit more than other brands. Otherwise I love how inverter/trunking/mppts/and so on fit nicely together though.
I haven't noticed any problem with my electronics. I don't know of a way to test THD in my garage. The manual has a page dedicated to talking about RF noise and how this inverter meets the government specs for use around radios. Sorry I'm no expert when it comes to electronic noise.
@@DavidPozEnergy I'm under the impression many oscilloscopes have the ability to measure THD...