Probably both were blinded by their lies. Both were very in love with themselves. Both encouraged the other to start a sexual affair. Chris is a weak man and thrived on the attention of NK .. Nk had to win Chris over as she was jealous of Shann
@oktopustrainer Oh my, what kid in AMERICA on average likes to eat veggies! To even go there and use the kids as an excuse for CW sick mind is beyond ludacris! If a person is sick in the head anything can push them over the edge. I've seen kids worse than theirs and the parents dealt with them in a healthy way.
Before I married my husband I asked him, “Want to know what I would do if you ever cheated on me?” Hesitatingly he replied, “Yes??” I told him, “I’d stay married to you.” He got the message! It’s been almost 30 years - I’m happy to report that my husband still lives with an extremely pleasant and happy wife! 😂
I just finished watching this video, "Chris Watts | Exposing Nichol Kessinger’s Dark Past | Into The Abyss". This was so disturbing. So, of course I was not surprised to see you made a video talking about Cluster B personality and Nicole Kessinger! At the very least this woman needs to be charged with Obstruction of Justice, because before she came to law enforcement, she deleted all her phone records of her relationship with Chris Watts, plus asked her friend to delete the messages between them that included Chris Watts, and she encouraged Chris Watts to delete their shared communications. That is clearly obstruction of justice!
Yeah I've seen it too. She was obviously protected by the law enforcement. Anyone else would have been at least guilty of justice obstruction. She blatantly lied multiple times and besides 1 investigator, no one called her out on this. It was an excellent documentary.
@@milkymoo8252 agreed. I also feel he is a big coward to not man-up , get a divorce and take his responsibility in raising the children. Instead, he was a self-centered Fake.
After the ice cream with nuts incident, and Shannan leaving and telling Chris that she (and the kids?) will never see his parents again, and Chris went to visit his parents alone. I have always wondered what they all discussed, because you know Cindy HAD to talk about that incident with Chris. (Letting him know for the millionth time how ‘awful’ Shannan is) and I’m sure the Dad had an earful from Cindy prior to Chris coming over. Anyway, I just can’t shake the feeling that the Dad must have said something like (when Chris discussed the affair with him) ‘Child support and alimony are going to be very expensive. Blah blah blah’ and maybe what Chris heard in his warped mind was, ‘…is expensive. So you’ll have to kill them all to avoid that.’ Then again, as vile as his parents continue to be toward a dead woman and her family, they might have advised him of that very thing. The Watts family, in my opinion, all have very serious issues.
As a guy who used to flirt a lot ; that email response of him telling her thanks and to have a nice was definitely EXTRA. There’s no need for a response there . That’s definitely something most guys would do as a test to see if they could get this ‘professional’ girl to respond in a ‘friendly’ way as opposed to the stale , generic, business talk . He definitely wanted something more and to see how far he could get . She obviously didn’t stop him and wanted something too , so there you go.
The whole e-mail chain was testing and flirting. It's all coded. We should keep our friendship at work. BTW, I keep it all between us. Oh, okay. Hey, here's how to get a hold of me quickly when I'm out in the field. That e-mail chain started their affair and the intrigue (for them) and destruction (his family, The Rzuceks and Watts families and everyone connected and involved in his lies and his life.
I completely agree as he is the same guy who was giving his wife the silent treatment they try to be so nice to other women and there is always a reason for it
the irony of your comment is that it was she who cheated in her first marriage and also stole a lot of money from an employer. The good morals concept is a laugh, but sad they were murdered, especially the innocent kids.
I'm certainly not blaming Shan'nan because she deserved to stay in the home along with her children and perhaps Chris threatened her so she didn't want to rock the boat, however, she should have separated from him as soon as talks of divorce started. When I separated from my husband, he was gone. Out the door. Given the fact that the first 2 months of separation is the most dangerous for women, they need to physically separate themselves from the husband. And if he wants visitation, try your best to stall until the court has made its decision. If the husband has been violent towards you in the past, he will probably turn that violence towards the children. I don't know why courts give men custody and visitation if he was violent towards the mother of the children. That's just insinuating it was the mother's fault.
Chris is so immature. His wife is not well, 15 weeks pregnant and raising two infants, is the family breadwinner,and he bemoans to detectives "she ain't hot and heavy anymore". Holycow your not 14 anymore Chris!
ted smith well that makes me feel great about myself, not every can be heavyset if they want too, why do guys treat us smaller girls like we aren’t even women or gross
@@Mexicanopride246 don't let goof balls make you feel anything, let alone about your body! We are not supporse to have the same shape, and honestly, this is just something ugly dudes say because they CAN'T PULL A BAD BITCH LIKE YOURSELF!!! 😁😉☺💞 I GOT YA GIRL!
@Gloria Vargo my God I would have not thought one person in the world would not know what "hot and heavy" means. Guarantee that Aliyah is a millenial.............
If the person is Not divorced legally- then they are still married. Don’t fall for the bull crap- Iam separated, Iam sleeping in the basement. Run Don’t date married men. Teach your daughters and grand- daughters this.
I agree - teach your daughters and sons both, what it means to be honourable. Teach them that it's honourable to be loyal, to be responsible lover and family member, it's honourable to turn down temptations that will eventually rob you of your blessings. It's honourable to respect other people's blessings. There is so much to enjoy in this world if we could afford to be integrous human beings.
I love your educated insight into their state of mind! Chris is so psychologically complex and I think that's why this case is still on everyone's mind and has intrigued us all. He's every wife and child's worst nightmare!!! Has the "good guy, good husband, good father" image, all the while a monster is lurking just under the surface, a snake ready to strike, so to speak. Chris himself said he told NK from day one he was married and I think that's why she texted "Thanks for being honest with me this morning." Still, she pursued him and used every female wile in the book to get him!! Those texts tell me that NK wanted Shannan's life. She wanted her man, her house, her lifestyle, and to "give Chris a son," something she knew Shannan was about to do. I think Nicole's state of mind was insane jealousy, rage and determination to get what she felt she was entitled to. Her sense of entitlement is astonishing to me! She damn well knew Shannan was pregnant, as it was all over FB and she'd been googling Shannan since way back in 2017! How could she not know that?? She lied over and over to detectives about that part too. And what mistress isn't going to google the man she wants and his wife??? Good video, Dr. Grande!
I agree, apart from CW being psychologically complex. He's unintelligent and is now someone who gets excited about getting mac & cheese in prison after not being able to control his rage at a life he no longer wanted. He was like an oversexed teenager with NK, and much preferred that escapism to being a husband and father with a shitload of debt. He had a weak personality, so gravitated to strong, if not domineering women like his mother, and had very little experience with women before getting married. NK offered him sex and lots of it, and none of the humdrum, debt-ridden drama of adult life. He's definitely not complex by any stretch imo, with respect.
We see a lot of B.S. in this exchange between the two _...I'm a straightforward kind of guy"..._ Yah! I can only aspire to be as honest as these two. Thank you Dr Grande. I never thought about the secrecy part as being an indicator - just the sloppy compliments. As usual, you've granted me something to think about. And yes, affairs always hurt someone and are incredibly selfish. 🌹👍
Her story was that she was always under the impression that he was getting separated but the initial emails between them insinuates that her understanding is that Shannan and Chris are still very much together.
Some divorcing couples have to stay in the same residence due to financial constraints. Initially, she wouldn’t know exactly what progress had been made on the legal front.
She knew what she was doing, she was searching up Shanann a long time before the affair. She knew what she wanted and she went and got it. I believe she also Google searched Scott Peterson's mistress to gage public response to her. Very switched on and manipulative and as for Chris theres no words to describe a man that can kill his innocent little girls
@@nikkitaylor5518 i agree with you 100%.! When u listen to her talks with police she talks just like my family member who is BPD. She has karma coming her way.
@@nikkitaylor5518 I'm pretty sure Nk forced her dad Dwayne Kessinger to hire Chris for Anadarko...I'm pretty sure she was obsessed with Chris, since the beginning of time...but only started to hangout in 2018, before 4 people were murdered.
I thought there was a youtuber who was showing some video that might have showed that Chris Watts had a helper... I forgot her youtube channel. Everyone who commented thought it was NK. Also they suggested her to submit the video to the LE.
Oh Pearl Smith, if you think the FBI is a pristine organization that never makes mistakes, you are in for a rude awakening. Check out how Jeffrey Epstein was able to slither away from the FBI a few times in the past, allowing him to abuse more girls. It’s a good thing to question the authorities sometimes. It sharpens your mind a bit.
Where do you get that impression? Cindy seems perfectly normal. She might be the more dominant spouse in her relationship with Ronnie, but she doesn't seem domineering or aggressive. Honestly, (and I'm not blaming the victim here. What Chris did was absolutely unjustifiable) Shanann seemed like a complete nightmare of a daughter-in-law. She flipped out when Cindy encouraged Shanann to use the ice cream incident as an opportunity to show Cece not to always expect to get your way. Cece acted bratty and was probably used to having whatever she wanted when she wanted and it's telling that Shanann saw nothing wrong with that.
IMO His mother was cruel what she did with those peanuts! It was horrible we’ll beyond horrible! Yet, she keeps talking like normal people don’t see right through her! Most common people feel real real sick from her horrible actions! Karma will get her!
"Affairs are incredibly common...... I've dealt with hundreds of infidelity" Wow! Imagine loving someone and that someone going behind your back and cheating on you.
I don't get that he calls her "stunning", because she has to be one of the most "plain Jane" people I've ever seen. Not to mention Shanann was SO much more "stunning" than NK. By a mile!
Not to mention the way she talks, her voice and her manish attitude. Disgusting fake person. The way she tried to force herself to cry over his kids says it all. She is true psychopath
She had a nice body because she hadn't been pregnant 3 times like Shanann. But Shanann is SOOOO much prettier than her. I'd say Shanann is a 9.5. The mistress is more like a 6.
Absolutely My in-laws hated and discredited me for over 30 years . That made it much easier for my husband to treat me poorly as well as for my daughters to blame me for whatever wasn’t going well in their lives . It’s been very difficult to get over the shaming and blaming I have received , but I work on it every day , trying to improve my broken heart and to look at myself realistically and not the way I was treated . So I get it .
If anything this entire gut wrenching horror show has taught me is to be extremely hesitant to believe what comes out of someone mouth, and even after still give them the side eye. Actions truly do speak volumes louder than words. Don't count on anyone else to take care of you 100% emotionally or physically. Love yourself (and your kids) first above all. Trust your instincts and keep your head on a swivel, even in the comfort of your home.
That’s not necessary. The entire human race doesn’t need to become paranoid because of a toxic couple. Yes… both were toxic. Shanann was a hardcore control freak, she called him stuoid and said he didn’t have balls ALL THE TIME. She admitted to being a control freak while he was a beta who agreed to everything because… well… he DIDNT have balls. She was overbearing and he resented her but kept it hidden deep inside until one day he lost his shit and killed her. She didn’t deserve to die but let’s stop pretending that she was perfect and he just woke up one day in a perfect marriage and decided to off her and their babies.
@@kateashby3066 that's what divorce is for. People have a way out. You hurt children in any way you get no defense and are worse than the scum of the earth.
His wife was prettier than his mistress, and was the mother of his children. We never know what people have in their heads. Whatever we think, it's all guesswork. We'll never know what he was thinking, only he knows when he committed that tragic act, only he knows...
Pretty doesn't count for much in an affair it's how that person makes you feel that matters Shanann was a much more sophisticated woman loved her girls and wanted a betterway of life and was very beautiful ! NK was lower class just listen to her horrible voice and speech pattern definitely not a pretty woman very average and slutty type. More on CW's level he said she took his breath away this was his type of woman one of the guys type of girl. Another example look at Prince Charles and Princess Diana she was far better looking than Camilla no comparison! But Camilla had what Charles needed in life Diana did not, so again it's how someone makes you feel when your with them. Now why CW decided murder was the appropriate way out of a marriage only he and the Dr Grande's of the world know that answer. Shanann would have done a great raising her 3 kids without CW, she just had to make up her mind she could. But he didn't give her that chance, tragic😔 CW belongs locked in a cage.. luckily he IS for good! What a waste all around. He had no right to murder anyone.
A lot of men like to marry or date 'down' so they're the better looking higher status one. I once listened to a group of high earning women bitchily note that their male colleagues "only like single moms who are impressed by them".
@N M this exactly lol people who are shocked when a pretty woman is cheated on don't understand why many people cheat, they just need something new or they like other pretty people as well,it's funny, do these people think that only looks matter in a relationship or what lol also, on the physically level, you can look good and then be bad at sex... so.
" Love is the drug and I need to score." (Roxy Music, 1975, Love is the Drug, Sirens) Most people know that feelings are temporary mood states, but desperate people do desperate things which make them more desperate, so they seek their addictive behavior or substance even more desperately. Whatever huge surges of feel good brain chemicals happened mutually whenever they connected that they mistook for a permanent state and were willing to commit murder for......it's like vacationing in a beautiful tropical resort and thinking that you would always be happy if you moved there. This case is too weird-to go from flirty emails to murder in 2 months. But I think flirty behavior with the opposite sex is pretty creepy for married people.
"Live Abuse Free " also does great insight into the psychological aspects of the case. She's one of the few that doesn't discuss sensational innuendo just to get more views.
I agree with you! Can you watch and do a video on Cindy Watts’ TV interview where she says she never thought Shanann was right for her son Christopher and admitted she didn’t attend their wedding?
Dana Davison considering the hatred towards them and the media attention, not sure I’d have attended either! The focus should have been on the victims and I’m not sure that would have been the case if they had gone. People watching every reaction.....I think they done the right thing
NK knew exactly what she was doing from beginning to end! She played the player and now has to be one of the most hated women out there and I'm sure will struggle to have any real relationships with anyone because the doubt has to exist in the others' minds. I just read an article where someone posted pics of vehicles owned by her family outside the Watts home at the time of the murder. I wonder if they're real but I'm sure NK's hand in this goes deeper then we will ever know.
Liza Tanzawa women like her and for what? A 30 year old desperate washed up receptionist that pursued a married man with children because he was the first guy that’s ever gone down on her lol ok
@@royalreviews5270 not sure but I'd not be surprised at all!! I do think she knew they were together still by her messeges to him but I also think he told her he was leaving his wife.
@Samantha nothing wrong with anyone being a receptionist, but aside from that point, Nichole is a Geologist who worked with oil companies and gas exploration.
@@rachaelnelson4976 That still doesn't make it less monstrous. Are you saying because it happens here so often that it can now be considered as normal and ok?
You might do well to understand the world with a touch more balance. Domestic violence is extremely common, and is a result of two parties acting badly. Often, the man fires the bullets, but it is the woman who loads the gun. Societies problems will not be solved by simply punishing the man, we need to put equal resources into educating the woman to behave in a respectful manner in order to prevent the violence occurring.
@@serendipitous_synchronicity Exactly! which makes my point even more pressing. If we are to prevent such tragedies in the future, we must start looking at the issue of domestic violence much more holistically. Experts must start to gain an understanding that "a final blow" is always landed for a reason. Prevention is always a preferable method than the cure.
A married man or woman should never ever be e-mailing others of the opposite sex that just opens the door to other things if he never did that it would have maybe never happened me an my fiance always talk about not putting our self into a situation where we could cheat. cheating doesn't just happen you allow it
Totally agree and have lived that. You can guard your relationship and nurture it or leave it open to outside influence and take the chance that one of you makes a mistake that brings down the house you've built together.
Dr Todd can you explain the traits NK had when she deleted all her phone correspondence to CW, lied over and over again in the police interviews, told CW to pawn Shannan’s wedding ring, and looked up how to cash in on a tragedy right away by searching for Amber Fry’s net worth (the person Scott Peterson was having an affair with)? I can”t quite pin her down and listening to her police interviews is infuriating knowing how much she lies in them and her mannerisms.
I'd like for Dr. Todd to talk about the traits of people who gangstalk someone with no evidence of that person being involved in the murders, with her own issues, but no email, text or physical evidence of any involvement in the murders. What personality type(s) continue to harass, defame and gangstalk someone in that situation?
I totally agree with this assessment! They both passive aggressively wanted "it". Could you talk about his mom Cindy, and how her controlling/possibly narcissistic behavior, may have influenced the way Chris acted? I'm fascinated with this story and how he could be driven do that to his wife and little girls..for what? I've read that he's called a "family annihilator"...could you maybe expand on that too?
IMO! Was she the mother from hell? She makes me sick, ill, and nauseous the way she is blind to the terrible actions of her son! It’s like are you kidding me! Karma
The self aggrandizing veiled as a compliment to nichol is a sign to me. "you seem like an amazing person.………..we have so much in common." Rinse and repeat"amazing day!!!" The pedastalling and mirroring to reflect self praise is a common covert narc tool.
Dr. Todd Grande, thank you for your time and effort in sharing 👍 👍. In my opinion, NK already knew he was still married and Shannan was pregnant. Nothing more and nothing less. He had a choice in life with his marriage. It was greed for money and infidelity which resulted in murder.
Thank you! You are very in depth in your answers. I respect your opinion. She seems so manipulative! I saw her interviews and nauseating to listen to. Just a very sad ending!
Apparently, he now has a girlfriend , Anna, who visits him in jail every week. What is that about? Why would anyone be remotely attracted to someone who is a family annihilator? Could it be someone wanting to gain notoriety riding on his coat tails? Or are there really people who are like this? And why are they like it?
This can be caused by the person having psychological trauma or traits that allow them to click into place in the other person's scenario. A simple example would be victim /perpetrator or abused/abuser , and so on. Or having witnessed such dynamics in the home or elsewhere. But of course as you mentioned there could be the seeking notoriety factor, making money from it etc.
The fact that you think it started with the affair is a bit much. How about this… it started with him being emotionally inept and Shanann being controlling and abusive. Not a great recipe for a happy ending
@@matts901stop giving credit to a mythological creature and start holding humans responsible for their shitty choices. Also- do you even know what causes psychopathy? Brain deformities. Who’s responsible for THAT? God.
Thank you for this , ive been trying too tell youtubers no way was it cluster B ( i have BPD) this is the firtst video ive watched that makes any sense ! xo
Good video, Dr. Grande. I think CW has severe mental health issues. I do believe he wore a "mask" to conceal his true self from others, he was a master at mimicking good behavior. So, he goes into this affair. For lack of finding better words, did this just completely spin his brain out, was something he couldn't control? He was making mistakes ( he was normally so correct), acting out of character. What about him wearing those energy patches, his elevated heart rate, constant working out combined with everything else? I find him terrifying. I think NK was young, very wreckless, naive, and she had no idea just how demented CW was becoming. She had no way of knowing. He was wearing a separate mask for her and her alone. Thanks, I always enjoy your videos!
He was a covert/ victim narcissist with sociopathic (anti social personality disorder) traits..playing the good, submissive husband and good father, good neighbour and all the while sleeping around. He was very suave in his lying but his lack of appropriate emotionality and the cold eyes didn't match up with events and gave him away. He was also impulsive and rage filled, and he kept Shannon on the tenterhooks of covert Narcissistic abude. She was under so much stress and unwell...and he finally snapped when she probably confronted him about being distant and whether he's having an affair and threatening to leave him and that gave him a huge Narcissistic injury, his primary supply threatening to leave, and he foolishly and impulsively thought if he killed her and the kids he would be able to get away with it and start a new life with NK.
Dr. Grande, i was wondering if you could do a video on prison relationships. For instance, I watch the show Love After Lock Up and am highly interested in the dynamics of prison inmates and where a ''hustler mindset' is common and also about the people who look to them for relationships.
Brilliant movie on this topic: The Paperboy (director Lee Daniels) starring John Cusack as a deranged man imprisoned for killing a sheriff who magnetizes the very bored, empty, low expectations, seductive Nicole Kidman, who thinks he is just misunderstood and railroaded. Also starring Matthew McConaughey as a self destructive, masochistic journalist who returns to a small Everglades town where his young brother, played by Zac Efron vainly tries to keep him from harm, and Macy Gray who tries to be the mother figure both boys lacked. Screenplay by Pete Dexter from his novel.
Thank you Dr Grande... I found this so interesting due to your focus on the affair behaviour... would you consider doing another vid that digs into how people in affairs behave more generally from your experience of dealing with those in this state? My hubby met someone and continued talking online for 2 mths before leaving me and our child... I think you are right when you say that they have a reckless disregard for the marriage and also that their view about the consequences of their actions changes significantly while in an affair... but these online emotional affairs (whether they start with an in person meeting in person or not) seem to be becoming so common and it is tearing families apart! But the person caught in it absolutely cannot be reasoned with and totally believe they have found the holy grail and it is worth destroying other lives to have it... more insight on this temporary insanity (or is it more of a longstanding issue within them?) would be great... thanks again...
Maddi Dee ....I think that many people are simply very selfish and that’s why these things happen so often. That the simple reasons for affairs most of the time... a combination of lust and extreme selfishness. The murder part not so common, but certainly not unheard of obviously. All people are flawed, but some in ways that always ends up destroying others lives.
Teresa S yes - well I can tell you that after watching a bunch of vids about Chris watts case- I did feel suddenly grateful that my hubby just left me instead of the worst case scenario... I do think it is selfishness too- but it is just so sad the people can’t put their families on equal level as their own happiness... and Ig is impossible for a well worn and established relationship/partnership to ever have the same sparkle as a new person and a fantasy... but why do some overstep the mark vs others that build the boundary & say ‘no thanks, I’m married’... does that even exist anymore or are we all so starved for validation that a few kind words from a stranger and we are hooked!?
@@SilverGirlAu most people would end the marriage and then look for someone else. But some have Sociopathic and Narcissistic traits that make them highly selfish and impulsive and lacking in empathy.
The mistake you make is to blame others for your own shortcomings. If your partner is seeking online chat with another person then YOU, are the one who is not satisfying their needs. If you are no longer compatible, then you are no longer compatible. Accept the fact and stop playing the blame game. Find yourself someone who you are compatible with, assuming that such a soul exists. Good luck! Broadly speaking, there is someone for everyone.
Your analysis has been very intriguing. A lot of variables to look at. Very sad, horrible and many Q's still unknown. Thank you for your time in preparation to look at this case, from your perspective.
Please, take it from me, All affairs end badly. My hubby was murdered by his girlfriend ( we were separated) Please, do not cheat. Please. If you want someone else, then get a divorce FIRST. The life you save, might just be your own. Please, do not cheat!!!!
I think that she was involved with the murders and that she and Chris discussed if they were caught that he would take all the blame! Her phone was pinged in Fredricks CO around the time of the murders that morning! By her calling and telling the police about the affair then took eyes off of her in case they found out about her later on! Therefore, she didn’t become a suspect and wasn’t further investigated! 🤷🏻♀️
Sometimes it is my ex-husband is a classic drunk abuser cheater and the woman he’s with now was an upgrade for me but that’s his problem not mine he’s probably just using her for money anyway like he did my family
Your words about what people are feeling when they have an affair..the feelings of the connection being "so profound, deep" ..Omg. This was practically to the letter of what my husband said when he described his affair with a "friend" of mine. And yes it ended in disaster. Her husband dumped her. My husband is still with me..says he never wanted to leave me. We are together still, but obviously my inability to fully trust him to make sound choices will always haunt us. It's sad. But mostly for him. I'm DAMN LUCKY he wasn't a murderous sociopath.
Maybe it’s me but I thinks it’s strange to tell a guy I want the life you have with your wife before your even seeing him yet. It just seems creepy to me like saying I know your married and I want to be your wife some day. I just think it’s being too forward by saying that.
Dude goes Out and kills his entire family over a very basic woman… Due to the rigors and stress of dealing with a wife who was trapped in a pyramid scheme telling him what to do every day… how sad n dreadful this whole story is
U should look into watt’s mother personality, I think that is where it starts... not going to wedding, not following shanan’s wishes to keep kids safe away from nuts, not allowing shanan’s parents visit with kids, etc.... I think watt’s family started it all..... 🤔
This is why I DO NOT entertain any personal exchanges with married people! You see how the edge into that affair sentence by sentence. Married coworkers would think I was being extra when I would not exchange personal numbers. And even with email, I refused to email after a certain time. NO WAY 🙅🏽♀️
I would think if a man was looking for a dallience, he would pull back after the prospective mistress states she wants the life he already has. I mean that is not a fantasy, he knows that "beautiful life" is actually hard and full of responsibility. I would think he would be leery.
@@SaltyFloridian Ahhh, hadn't heard of that, but I get why one would future fake, except, well, that email should have alerted him to a high maintenance situation. I guess people don't think about the complications, just the immediate gratification of approval, admiration and sex.
@@SaltyFloridian Yeah so you can see that the dynamic at this point falls within normal range of human behavior. I just wonder at what point in each of their minds , did it turn pathological? She made it clear that she coveted his family and life. That is bizarre to me as a lure. I think she had an obsession. What was the moment, that he turned pathological? Had they escaped suspicion, I wonder what they would have done in the future?
@@katiess9708 I think they were feeding off each other's fixation. He, being a narc, fed off her adoration/obsession for him. She, being the way she is, fed off the attention he gave her and the fantasy of what might be. She sort of created her own reality and future with him in her mind. Whether he really did future fake her or whether she played herself, I don't think we'll ever know. Maybe he just let her think whatever she wanted to. I don't think he had any true long term plans with her. I think he wanted out of his current situation(unhappy marriage and 3rd child he didn't want) The wedding dress shopping really got me, though. As if, girl. As. If.
It would be interesting if Dr Grande could make an analysis of Chris Watts relationship to his parents. Especially to his mother, and on his mother as well. It's been so much about her being a narcissist, and I would really like to have a professional opinion I could trust.
Dr. Grande: Do you believe that the concept of limerence played a role in the behavior of Chris Watts? I’d also love to hear your take on this concept in general.
Most affairs do end badly. Affairs make people 'lose their mind'. CW clearly lost his mind in extreme. It is all SO sad. If CW was madly in love with NK, how might this have affectedly his brain? Is it theoretical that his pre frontal cortex / executive functioning might have gone badly off kilter? I've watched all the sad sad you tubes about this sad case, and I still can't decide if very pre meditated OR it became a possibility in his mind as a result of the extreme effect the love affair had on his brain. His innocent wife and kids represented a threat to his new found stimulation / joy. Did he lose his mind? And then just turn into a robotic murder machine? Poor beautiful innocent Shannan, she had no idea he would become a monster.
Watch the video "A very Murderous Narcissist" by channel 'Knowing the Narcissist'... Basically Chris Watts suffered a huge Narcissistic injury because his wife threatened to leave him or found out about the affair or he asked for a divorce and she wouldn't give one and so he felt completely cornered and decided killing her and the kids was the only way out to a new life.
Right but you can fix the frontal lobe cortex by doing certain brain exercises You also need to eat certain current foods that help expand that part of the brain
Guarantee early on CW referred to being straight forward about the fact he’s married. But he did lie as he also said they’re going through a separation. NK already knows he’s married with kids from FB stalking but obviously felt he was up for the taking.
Totally agree Dr. Grande.....nothing in the emails that suggested or even hinted towards the murders. This case is soooo fascinating people can't let it go so they are trying to pick out little things from everything
@@franmellor9843 I heard that Scott Peterson is gearing up for his appeal soon? I've also heard that Casey Another is trying to help with his case and is coming out with a movie about her life that's going to include lots of steamy scenes. Interesting people for sure.
CW is a blatant liar and NK knew of his marriage and his family as per her email and both of them still engaged in an affair....these 2 people are horrible human beings who had total disregard of Shannan and his girls. Affairs do end badly and in this regard, tragically.
He told her he was separated, sleeping in the basement, and that divorce was imminent. Blaming Kessinger for what a sick man did to his children is, itself, sick.
I don't think you can do a whole lot with just the work emails but you definitely did an excellent job with what you have. But then there is a lot in terms of the psychology of both these people if one is to base what one sees on the rest of the discovery plus things that CW said (if one is to believe anything that comes out of his mouth since he seems to mix truths and lies). NK told her friend Charlotte that men she dated were usually non-committal. And that this man was different. I think she had an attraction to unavailable men and then wanted to change them into available people and that was her task. My theory is they both started an extramarital affair (both fully knowing) that later became a demand to get rid of wife and children.
More likely she didn't really want to get married, regardless of what she said. She had said before that she attracted married men, and apparently she didn't demand they get rid of wife and children. Her pattern was to date married/noncommittal men and end up still single. This one blew up in her face.
@@catspajamas2961 yh i dont think nicole expected chris watts to go that far but i have a gut feeling she alluded to it /fantasized about it, i got the impression that she didnt care much a bout the murders
@@catspajamas2961 of course theres no evidence to support my opinion, but there are some red flags with nicole that i cant ignore, she seems to be very manipulative and i believe the reason for her saying 'nice' things about the kids and 'helping' chris plan his future are all tactics to make her appear as a nice, kind innocent woman. In reality we know that she didnt give a fuck about the kids or chris marriage. .She was going in to the family home unbeknownst to Shannan, which is highly disrespectful. She kept saying she felt uncomfortable going into "their space" but she still did it multiple times, probably to be nosey and i believe Nicole and chris had sex in that house for a thrill, no doubt. . She repeatedly planted seeds in Chris head that she wouldnt stay with him if he didnt leave his family, she wasnt cool with being a mistress like shes making out, she probably argued with Chris about it all the time. .She kept saying she didnt want kids and she was upset that she wouldnt be his "first" wife and babymama. .She said she was encouraging Chris to fix his marriage but at the same time was having sex with him 3-4 times a day and pushing him to think about his future without Shannan, telling him to pawn his wifes ring, telling him to check the market value of his house. There is a reason why Shannan said she feels guilty about Chris killing them, she felt like she played a part because she DID. The final flag, Chris told her his family was 'gone', she responded "what have you done", which indicates she was aware he was capable of such a thing. She then immediately deleted all their phone history and searched the internet about the scott peterson case and how much money his mistress amber frey recieved for her book deal. I believe Chris had alluded to her many times that he wanted his family "gone", That he wanted them to dissapear and that he wished he met Nicole first, and Nicole soaked it all up because she a narcissist, she felt good with him telling her this, a normal person would be disgusted that someone would wish for their kids to dissapear, and be concerned about it. Nicole fed his vile thoughts and she may not have expected him to go through with murder but she gave the fantasy life. There is also new footage of nicole leaving the family home on the day of the murder.. Shes trying to play the 'gullible mistress role', when she is actually a conniving bitch, she wanted to ruin that family from the beginning, she was jealous of shannan, she keeps gushing about what a lovely life Chris had with his beautiful wife and cute kids and big house, she wanted to destroy that. She pretended not to know who shannan was but had searched her up online a year before. She is full of shit
@@Neesi392 I agree that she appeared concerned about being found involved or her actual involvement thus the wanting all emails erased. My take is that, giving her suspicious behavior and given all the interactions (long phone calls, meetings, etc.) surrounding when the murders took place, that she's involved more that she is saying and I also feel she is trying to misguide people about her involvement (saying she didn't know he was married, he told him to go fix things with wife, etc.) I feel that she either knew more or influenced things more than she's wanting anyone to know and she is covering her tracks. It is possible, as you said, she may have been surprised he went through with it (did not expect it) or, ust like Chirs, she didn't anticipate he would be found out (didn't anticipate someone would call the poilce so soon before all things were taken care of).
en cee I'm not saying NK is a good person. But getting Shanann killed wouldn't make her his first wife. All of the things you list are evidence that NK is a selfish disrespectful person. They are not evidence of involvement in a murder plot, which is what's relevant. If Chris hadn't wanted a mistress, he wouldn't have gotten one. NK was a tool for him, which is what everyone in his life was if he was a psychopath. She was just the latest one. If it hadn't been her, it would have been another woman, and pretty soon too, I bet. The fact that she said, "what have you done?" (if true) tells me that she did not know what he had done. If she had been involved, she wouldn't have needed to ask. When someone makes up "facts" out of thin air, then passes judgement on someone based on their made up "facts," I know that the person is projecting their own fears onto the situation, not looking logically and objectively at the situation and analyzing based on genuine facts. It's really just a self-indulgent waste of others' time to post your own paranoid imagination and pretend it's an analysis. You walk down the street and you probably just walked by someone having an affair, and by a selfish homewrecker and they're saying the same kinds of things NK said. But there aren't hundreds of spousal murders a day where you live. There aren't many Chris-es around. I doubt NK had any idea the kind of person he is. Do you go around outraged about all the mistresses where you live? I bet not. NK is just the one you know about. She's not some unique monster that you need to analyze for paragraphs and go after for months on end. She's everywhere. You just don't have the emails and personal details on the others.
Just on the response to her email Dr.Grande, Chris Watts writes ; from what I have LEARNED. And not ; from what I have HEARD. (as you quoted it as reading) So the email reads : and from what I have LEARNED, you are a really amazing person . . . etc etc. Thanks Dr.Grande.
He's very ambivalent toward his children. The videos of him playing with them look like he's just going through the motions, he's not a man that wants kids at all. The attraction to NK is that she doesn't have kids. Yet he goes after women who say they WANT KIDS . Then he feels trapped when kids happen. He doesn't process a thought all the way to the end. Even the way he speaks, the sentences are made up to 4 words long it seems. He's got some sort of numbness in his personality, he behaves a certain way cuz it's considered normal, but doesn't differentiate between psychotic break, and normal. Thrive' did not help at all! I wouldn't be surprised if it was found to be a couple grades under meth. But before the Thrive, this guy just floated through life, and then suddenly blamed his wife for not experiencing life. All this is narcissistic, but it's something else too. Like he was deprived oxygen in the womb- there's an emotional detachment like a birth defect.
He's got Anti social personality disorder along with being a covert/ victim narcissist...they lack empathy, feel little to no emotions and have an overwhelming sense of boredom. Only things like sexual activity and risk taking make them feel alive. They don't feel for their spouses, children, family. They're impulsive and like to break societal norms.
Absolutely. You're onto something there. I definitely believe his attachment pattern that was established towards his parents during childhood is insecure in some way. Ambivalent insecure attachment sounds about right to me for some reason.
I believe Shannan thought her medical condition made having children unlikely..? He was probably fine with that,Because it meant HE would get all her attention..then the kids came along and he spat his dummy out.
do you think he has dependent personality disorder and out of fear, he did not admit to his wife he had a lover, kill his wife then kept the girls alive for a 45 minute drive and out of desperation he killed them? Violent outbursts and happen in dpd if his new attachment was being threatened. I don't think he was a narcissist or antisocial personality...no way he could have kept that hidden for decades
This is a very interesting case study, Dr. Grande. You explain in a way that is soothing and educational as well. These two were cheating by email. Bad and deceitful. She dodged a bullitt.
He went of the rails with the affair, the supplement and financial problems. Perfect terrible storm. I am curious into how much the supplements affected his mental health Dr. Grande.
In Brazil, a good part of the population thinks it is beautiful to be unfaithful. But nobody wants to be on the betrayed side, only on the side that betrays. They believe that betraying is a sign of cunning, being betrayed, a sign of foolishness: pacts exist to be broken. And everyone considers themselves smarter than others. The most played musical genre in the country (sertanejo, equivalent to country music) has infidelity as its theme. Practically, its only theme in infinite variations. It's really disgusting
a video on Pure OCD? from something i've recently watched on youtube, the condition appears to be a near-slow-torture unto death experience, especially from the comments left from sufferers. thank you.
thank you, dr. Grande. i saw a video on youtube just recently and mentioned was this condition known as Pure OCD. Now, i'd heard of OCD before but hadn't paid it much interest. however, when Pure OCD was mentioned, i thought, geez, i've got to learn more about a condition, of which i'd prefer death over suffering it as an affliction. so, today when i was viewing your video, i thought you'd be JUST the person to ask!
I read someplace that a married man was questioned why did he have an affair? He said it wasn't the sex, it was how she made him feel. The emails with Chris and Nicole started innocently enough. But then you see they wanted them kept secret. If I was Nicole, I would run the other way. I'd say you have a pregnant wife and two little girls. I think he told Nicole they were separated but were they really? It's a bad situation. Honesty? Nothing was honest in this affair. I feel for the family and friends of Shan'ann and the girls. It didn't have to come to this.
To me it seems pretty obvious that their conversation where he was truthful was him calling her attractive in the workplace. And thats why she seems to be reassuring him that its good he was 'honest' about that because she already wanted him by that point.
They both played with fire, but I don’t believe that NK was involved in the killings and she didn’t know that CW was able to do such heinous crime. I think it’s scary that some people actually are willing to do a crime themselves to “get even” with NK. Where will it end? Infidelity isn’t illegal in USA, so she didn’t do anything wrong except falling in love with the wrong guy. You can’t convict a person for killing somebody just because you don’t like their voice and they did something morally wrong, but some ppl apparently think she should be behind bars.. 🤷🏻♀️
Frances Bernard here. I don't know why I have a hard time remembering the content of your videos unless I leave a comment. So here goes: 1. Keeping secrets puts 2 people on a different path. 2. Sometimes that secret keeping is only a blag being orchestrated by someone who crosses over to the anti-social personality disorder range long enough for them to later be recognized by clinicians maybe.. 3. Clinicians and law enforcement find the lack of recognition of anti-social behavior in general so frustrating that they must be constant doing anger management around that kind of behavior. 4. Maturity does not give too much weight on only feelings nor do they believe to be that unique to be alone in being treated that way by one person at work.
It’s funny, they talked about “honesty” and “truthfulness” with high regard but neither was being truthful or honest.
Absolutely sickening. They fed off of each other.
Probably both were blinded by their lies. Both were very in love with themselves. Both encouraged the other to start a sexual affair. Chris is a weak man and thrived on the attention of NK .. Nk had to win Chris over as she was jealous of Shann
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He thinks he loves her
Truthful to his side piece all the while being deceitful to his wife.
She's dumb af! Nobody could tell me they're honest while cheating with me 🙄
You hit the nail on the head. Nothing special about CW or NK. The ones who were special were murdered. smh
Yes, he is spot on with his analysis of CW and NK.
@oktopustrainer Oh my, what kid in AMERICA on average likes to eat veggies! To even go there and use the kids as an excuse for CW sick mind is beyond ludacris! If a person is sick in the head anything can push them over the edge. I've seen kids worse than theirs and the parents dealt with them in a healthy way.
Just let them Rest In Peace
@@frankmcgarrity6370 CW &NK are still alive and well.
oktopustrainer so you would kill two children just cause they don’t behave that’s so ridiculous if that’s how you think I don’t know what to tell you
Even if the end result wasn't murder, becoming emotionally involved with someone who isn't your mate is nothing but a recipe for disaster.
Before I married my husband I asked him, “Want to know what I would do if you ever cheated on me?” Hesitatingly he replied, “Yes??” I told him, “I’d stay married to you.”
He got the message!
It’s been almost 30 years - I’m happy to report that my husband still lives with an extremely pleasant and happy wife! 😂
@@CowboyBike06 I don't get it.
@@dlboss77 - meaning that he has a choice. Cheat and be with an unhappy wife, or be faithful and have a happy wife.
“Happy wife = Happy life!” 😉
Absolutely.
I just finished watching this video, "Chris Watts | Exposing Nichol Kessinger’s Dark Past | Into The Abyss". This was so disturbing. So, of course I was not surprised to see you made a video talking about Cluster B personality and Nicole Kessinger! At the very least this woman needs to be charged with Obstruction of Justice, because before she came to law enforcement, she deleted all her phone records of her relationship with Chris Watts, plus asked her friend to delete the messages between them that included Chris Watts, and she encouraged Chris Watts to delete their shared communications. That is clearly obstruction of justice!
Yeah I've seen it too. She was obviously protected by the law enforcement. Anyone else would have been at least guilty of justice obstruction. She blatantly lied multiple times and besides 1 investigator, no one called her out on this. It was an excellent documentary.
His mother disliked Shanann both his parents never attended the wedding this also helped subliminally to turn their son against his wife IMO ..
The amount of lies CW told his parents and friends. Jeepers it's scary just how dangerous of a person he really is.
@@milkymoo8252 agreed. I also feel he is a big coward to not man-up , get a divorce and take his responsibility in raising the children. Instead, he was a self-centered Fake.
And that’s so sad they should of been there to support there son ,they didn’t have to sleep with her 😡
@@milkymoo8252 what did he tell them?
After the ice cream with nuts incident, and Shannan leaving and telling Chris that she (and the kids?) will never see his parents again, and Chris went to visit his parents alone. I have always wondered what they all discussed, because you know Cindy HAD to talk about that incident with Chris. (Letting him know for the millionth time how ‘awful’ Shannan is) and I’m sure the Dad had an earful from Cindy prior to Chris coming over. Anyway, I just can’t shake the feeling that the Dad must have said something like (when Chris discussed the affair with him) ‘Child support and alimony are going to be very expensive. Blah blah blah’ and maybe what Chris heard in his warped mind was, ‘…is expensive. So you’ll have to kill them all to avoid that.’
Then again, as vile as his parents continue to be toward a dead woman and her family, they might have advised him of that very thing. The Watts family, in my opinion, all have very serious issues.
As a guy who used to flirt a lot ; that email response of him telling her thanks and to have a nice was definitely EXTRA. There’s no need for a response there . That’s definitely something most guys would do as a test to see if they could get this ‘professional’ girl to respond in a ‘friendly’ way as opposed to the stale , generic, business talk .
He definitely wanted something more and to see how far he could get . She obviously didn’t stop him and wanted something too , so there you go.
The whole e-mail chain was testing and flirting. It's all coded. We should keep our friendship at work. BTW, I keep it all between us. Oh, okay. Hey, here's how to get a hold of me quickly when I'm out in the field. That e-mail chain started their affair and the intrigue (for them) and destruction (his family, The Rzuceks and Watts families and everyone connected and involved in his lies and his life.
I completely agree as he is the same guy who was giving his wife the silent treatment they try to be so nice to other women and there is always a reason for it
Specially calling her by her nickname and the exclamation signs.
Oh for sure. Who uses !!!! In their boring “thank you” work email to a practical stranger?
Nk had already researched and targeted THEM way before that.
It breaks my heart that the person with the good morals and kindness ends up damaged and even killed in this upside down world.
the irony of your comment is that it was she who cheated in her first marriage and also stole a lot of money from an employer. The good morals concept is a laugh, but sad they were murdered, especially the innocent kids.
I'm certainly not blaming Shan'nan because she deserved to stay in the home along with her children and perhaps Chris threatened her so she didn't want to rock the boat, however, she should have separated from him as soon as talks of divorce started. When I separated from my husband, he was gone. Out the door. Given the fact that the first 2 months of separation is the most dangerous for women, they need to physically separate themselves from the husband. And if he wants visitation, try your best to stall until the court has made its decision. If the husband has been violent towards you in the past, he will probably turn that violence towards the children. I don't know why courts give men custody and visitation if he was violent towards the mother of the children. That's just insinuating it was the mother's fault.
Chris and Nikki are two Nasty gross evil narcissistic monsters and Both Murdered They are both the same Shanann and babies didn't have a chance
Janet. o Boutte well said!
oktopustrainer Your comment disturbs me.
Chris is so immature. His wife is not well, 15 weeks pregnant and raising two infants, is the family breadwinner,and he bemoans to detectives "she ain't hot and heavy anymore". Holycow your not 14 anymore Chris!
ted smith well that makes me feel great about myself, not every can be heavyset if they want too, why do guys treat us smaller girls like we aren’t even women or gross
Interesting exchange here guys! LOL
@@Mexicanopride246 don't let goof balls make you feel anything, let alone about your body! We are not supporse to have the same shape, and honestly, this is just something ugly dudes say because they CAN'T PULL A BAD BITCH LIKE YOURSELF!!! 😁😉☺💞 I GOT YA GIRL!
@Gloria Vargo my God I would have not thought one person in the world would not know what "hot and heavy" means. Guarantee that Aliyah is a millenial.............
Aliyah Hallam get off the internet. Don’t fish for compliments from strangers.
If the person is Not divorced legally- then they are still married. Don’t fall for the bull crap- Iam separated, Iam sleeping in the basement.
Run
Don’t date married men.
Teach your daughters and grand- daughters this.
Teach your sons to respect women and the sanctity of marriage 😉
Teach your married sons and grandsons to honor and respect THEIR wives and families, and oh, to not chase after single women!
I agree - teach your daughters and sons both, what it means to be honourable. Teach them that it's honourable to be loyal, to be responsible lover and family member, it's honourable to turn down temptations that will eventually rob you of your blessings. It's honourable to respect other people's blessings.
There is so much to enjoy in this world if we could afford to be integrous human beings.
@@sydneyvixx6983 @SUNSHINE REGGAE @Shamirah Carruthers @Everyone Else : Abso-bloody-lutely, well said! It always takes 2 to tango, as they say.
Or married women
I love your educated insight into their state of mind! Chris is so psychologically complex and I think that's why this case is still on everyone's mind and has intrigued us all. He's every wife and child's worst nightmare!!! Has the "good guy, good husband, good father" image, all the while a monster is lurking just under the surface, a snake ready to strike, so to speak. Chris himself said he told NK from day one he was married and I think that's why she texted "Thanks for being honest with me this morning." Still, she pursued him and used every female wile in the book to get him!! Those texts tell me that NK wanted Shannan's life. She wanted her man, her house, her lifestyle, and to "give Chris a son," something she knew Shannan was about to do. I think Nicole's state of mind was insane jealousy, rage and determination to get what she felt she was entitled to. Her sense of entitlement is astonishing to me! She damn well knew Shannan was pregnant, as it was all over FB and she'd been googling Shannan since way back in 2017! How could she not know that?? She lied over and over to detectives about that part too. And what mistress isn't going to google the man she wants and his wife??? Good video, Dr. Grande!
@Dana Davison Thanks, Dana!
Oh I agree. She did want to be alone anymore. She had her own plans going on for sure
I agree, apart from CW being psychologically complex. He's unintelligent and is now someone who gets excited about getting mac & cheese in prison after not being able to control his rage at a life he no longer wanted.
He was like an oversexed teenager with NK, and much preferred that escapism to being a husband and father with a shitload of debt. He had a weak personality, so gravitated to strong, if not domineering women like his mother, and had very little experience with women before getting married. NK offered him sex and lots of it, and none of the humdrum, debt-ridden drama of adult life. He's definitely not complex by any stretch imo, with respect.
You hit the nail on the nose she did watch Shannon’s life
He didn't tell her about the children. Psychologically complex? Do you fancy him?
Thanks doc. You are one of my heroes so I let the ads play all the way thru without skipping them. That’s a special kinda love.
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We see a lot of B.S. in this exchange between the two _...I'm a straightforward kind of guy"..._ Yah! I can only aspire to be as honest as these two.
Thank you Dr Grande. I never thought about the secrecy part as being an indicator - just the sloppy compliments. As usual, you've granted me something to think about. And yes, affairs always hurt someone and are incredibly selfish. 🌹👍
Her story was that she was always under the impression that he was getting separated but the initial emails between them insinuates that her understanding is that Shannan and Chris are still very much together.
Because he pulled that bullshit lie on her if she had common sense she would’ve checked it out it was a total lie
Some divorcing couples have to stay in the same residence due to financial constraints. Initially, she wouldn’t know exactly what progress had been made on the legal front.
@@joerudnik9290she was admiring the beautiful life he had built with his wife and kids... not something you say if you think the man is separated!
She lies.
She knew what she was doing, she was searching up Shanann a long time before the affair. She knew what she wanted and she went and got it. I believe she also Google searched Scott Peterson's mistress to gage public response to her. Very switched on and manipulative and as for Chris theres no words to describe a man that can kill his innocent little girls
Of all the people on internet, Facebook etc. how and why did she target Shannan/Chris???
@@virginiamontes1868 she worked for the same company as Chris, she liked him so started Facebook stalking him and Shanann
@@nikkitaylor5518 i agree with you 100%.! When u listen to her talks with police she talks just like my family member who is BPD. She has karma coming her way.
@@nikkitaylor5518 I'm pretty sure Nk forced her dad Dwayne Kessinger to hire Chris for Anadarko...I'm pretty sure she was obsessed with Chris, since the beginning of time...but only started to hangout in 2018, before 4 people were murdered.
Hasn't it been shown that Nicole didn't have that phone number at the time the searches were made?
I still think that NK woman had something to do with it and deserves to be investigated more
Sorry but being a mistress isn't a crime, killing people is. What should she be investigated about?
I thought there was a youtuber who was showing some video that might have showed that Chris Watts had a helper... I forgot her youtube channel. Everyone who commented thought it was NK. Also they suggested her to submit the video to the LE.
Oh wynter, you're smarter than FBI agents?! Wow, amazing. 🙄
Oh Pearl Smith, if you think the FBI is a pristine organization that never makes mistakes, you are in for a rude awakening. Check out how Jeffrey Epstein was able to slither away from the FBI a few times in the past, allowing him to abuse more girls. It’s a good thing to question the authorities sometimes. It sharpens your mind a bit.
Liza Tanzawa Yes! You nailed it!
His childhood is a factor in the person he became - his mother was controlling and cruel
Where do you get that impression?
Cindy seems perfectly normal.
She might be the more dominant spouse in her relationship with Ronnie, but she doesn't seem domineering or aggressive.
Honestly, (and I'm not blaming the victim here. What Chris did was absolutely unjustifiable) Shanann seemed like a complete nightmare of a daughter-in-law.
She flipped out when Cindy encouraged Shanann to use the ice cream incident as an opportunity to show Cece not to always expect to get your way.
Cece acted bratty and was probably used to having whatever she wanted when she wanted and it's telling that Shanann saw nothing wrong with that.
Not come to the marriage of the son speaks a lot about her.
IMO His mother was cruel what she did with those peanuts! It was horrible we’ll beyond horrible! Yet, she keeps talking like normal people don’t see right through her! Most common people feel real real sick from her horrible actions! Karma will get her!
"Affairs are incredibly common...... I've dealt with hundreds of infidelity" Wow! Imagine loving someone and that someone going behind your back and cheating on you.
Don’t forget he’s a counselor and people go to him when they have problems
Just cause somethings common doesn’t make it right and no moral person and wrong in the eyes of God
I don't get that he calls her "stunning", because she has to be one of the most "plain Jane" people I've ever seen. Not to mention Shanann was SO much more "stunning" than NK. By a mile!
I disagree
Not to mention the way she talks, her voice and her manish attitude. Disgusting fake person. The way she tried to force herself to cry over his kids says it all. She is true psychopath
She had a nice body because she hadn't been pregnant 3 times like Shanann. But Shanann is SOOOO much prettier than her. I'd say Shanann is a 9.5. The mistress is more like a 6.
@@User-nu6km Ummmm…..what do you disagree with??? Just out of curiosity????
What is all this nonsense about appearance? It is the ❤️ that matters!
Absolutely
My in-laws hated and discredited me for over 30 years .
That made it much easier for my husband to treat me poorly as well as for my daughters to blame me for whatever wasn’t going well in their lives .
It’s been very difficult to get over the shaming and blaming I have received , but I work on it every day , trying to improve my broken heart and to look at myself realistically and not the way I was treated .
So I get it .
Hold your head high! Hopefully, your family will come to appreciate you.
If anything this entire gut wrenching horror show has taught me is to be extremely hesitant to believe what comes out of someone mouth, and even after still give them the side eye. Actions truly do speak volumes louder than words. Don't count on anyone else to take care of you 100% emotionally or physically. Love yourself (and your kids) first above all. Trust your instincts and keep your head on a swivel, even in the comfort of your home.
That’s not necessary. The entire human race doesn’t need to become paranoid because of a toxic couple. Yes… both were toxic. Shanann was a hardcore control freak, she called him stuoid and said he didn’t have balls ALL THE TIME. She admitted to being a control freak while he was a beta who agreed to everything because… well… he DIDNT have balls. She was overbearing and he resented her but kept it hidden deep inside until one day he lost his shit and killed her. She didn’t deserve to die but let’s stop pretending that she was perfect and he just woke up one day in a perfect marriage and decided to off her and their babies.
@@kateashby3066 that's what divorce is for. People have a way out. You hurt children in any way you get no defense and are worse than the scum of the earth.
The important part is that it proves she knew he was married with children, although she denied to police that she knew this.
I watch all kinds of "entertainment" on RUclips and this is by far my favorite channel.!! Love the insight.!!
I can’t help but wonder if Cindy Watts will ever acknowledge the impact her treatment of Shanann had on the way Chris began to treat Shanann.
She never will bc she's controlling and about as deep as a thimble.
His family deny their actions lead to what he had done Yes
His wife was prettier than his mistress, and was the mother of his children. We never know what people have in their heads. Whatever we think, it's all guesswork. We'll never know what he was thinking, only he knows when he committed that tragic act, only he knows...
Pretty doesn't count for much in an affair it's how that person makes you feel that matters Shanann was a much more sophisticated woman loved her girls and wanted a betterway of life and was very beautiful ! NK was lower class just listen to her horrible voice and speech pattern definitely not a pretty woman very average and slutty type. More on CW's level he said she took his breath away this was his type of woman one of the guys type of girl. Another example look at Prince Charles and Princess Diana she was far better looking than Camilla no comparison! But Camilla had what Charles needed in life Diana did not, so again it's how someone makes you feel when your with them. Now why CW decided murder was the appropriate way out of a marriage only he and the Dr Grande's of the world know that answer. Shanann would have done a great raising her 3 kids without CW, she just had to make up her mind she could. But he didn't give her that chance, tragic😔 CW belongs locked in a cage.. luckily he IS for good! What a waste all around. He had no right to murder anyone.
A lot of men like to marry or date 'down' so they're the better looking higher status one. I once listened to a group of high earning women bitchily note that their male colleagues "only like single moms who are impressed by them".
@N M this exactly lol people who are shocked when a pretty woman is cheated on don't understand why many people cheat, they just need something new or they like other pretty people as well,it's funny, do these people think that only looks matter in a relationship or what lol also, on the physically level, you can look good and then be bad at sex... so.
@Sarah Holland - To be fair. Most women like to date “up” so it’s a win/win.
@N M She treated him so bad. I bet she baby trapped him with the third child. He did not look happy
Thanks, Dr. Grande. Agree, the emails were rather boring and innocuous, or as boring and innocuous as pre-cheating emails can be.
Yes agree , how this lead to an affair is hard to even imagen .
" Love is the drug and I need to score." (Roxy Music, 1975, Love is the Drug, Sirens) Most people know that feelings are temporary mood states, but desperate people do desperate things which make them more desperate, so they seek their addictive behavior or substance even more desperately. Whatever huge surges of feel good brain chemicals happened mutually whenever they connected that they mistook for a permanent state and were willing to commit murder for......it's like vacationing in a beautiful tropical resort and thinking that you would always be happy if you moved there. This case is too weird-to go from flirty emails to murder in 2 months. But I think flirty behavior with the opposite sex is pretty creepy for married people.
Evelyn Waugh Well put 👍
Evelyn Waugh your namesake was as wise as you .... 👍🏻
unfortunately much of mine has resulted from making mistakes and dealing with the consequences:(
I cannot help weeping for and thinking all the time about Shanan, Celeste, and Bella throughout this presentation.
This is dishing the psychological tea.
Yes, this is what keeps me coming back to this case. The psychology here. How/Why did CW go off the rails? It's not a black &white case.
That’s the whole point and what he wants to do.
I love psychology which is why I watch videos like this
@@thatgirl81111 ok...
"Live Abuse Free " also does great insight into the psychological aspects of the case. She's one of the few that doesn't discuss sensational innuendo just to get more views.
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Abusers carries on even
After a divorce has been made
Final
I agree with you! Can you watch and do a video on Cindy Watts’ TV interview where she says she never thought Shanann was right for her son Christopher and admitted she didn’t attend their wedding?
Interviews done from a place of hindsight are usually full of bullshit.
Would love to see that too!
Sounds like a very Narcissistic woman.
Another nut!
Dana Davison considering the hatred towards them and the media attention, not sure I’d have attended either! The focus should have been on the victims and I’m not sure that would have been the case if they had gone. People watching every reaction.....I think they done the right thing
Betcha money the "honest" conversation involved CW being married.
NK knew exactly what she was doing from beginning to end! She played the player and now has to be one of the most hated women out there and I'm sure will struggle to have any real relationships with anyone because the doubt has to exist in the others' minds. I just read an article where someone posted pics of vehicles owned by her family outside the Watts home at the time of the murder. I wonder if they're real but I'm sure NK's hand in this goes deeper then we will ever know.
Liza Tanzawa women like her and for what? A 30 year old desperate washed up receptionist that pursued a married man with children because he was the first guy that’s ever gone down on her lol ok
Didn't he also hook up with someone from tinder and maybe he did tell her he was separated
@@royalreviews5270 not sure but I'd not be surprised at all!! I do think she knew they were together still by her messeges to him but I also think he told her he was leaving his wife.
No evidence of your daft conspiracy theory
@Samantha nothing wrong with anyone being a receptionist, but aside from that point, Nichole is a Geologist who worked with oil companies and gas exploration.
It is absolutely unthinkable what that guy did. How is such a monstrosity even possible? It's a case of complete disconnect.
It's complete evil.
Y’all act like you’re not from the US do you know one out of four women do this and one out of three men do it it’s that’s how common it is
@@rachaelnelson4976 That still doesn't make it less monstrous. Are you saying because it happens here so often that it can now be considered as normal and ok?
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It’s terrible what he had done
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It’s not normal or ok ever
I can listen to you speak all day! I love the way you break things down.
Such a despicable weak poor excuse of a man.
Thank you for helping me understand Dr Grande.
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So those are the cutest emojis I've seen, lol😁💞💫🍀🌀
You might do well to understand the world with a touch more balance. Domestic violence is extremely common, and is a result of two parties acting badly. Often, the man fires the bullets, but it is the woman who loads the gun.
Societies problems will not be solved by simply punishing the man, we need to put equal resources into educating the woman to behave in a respectful manner in order to prevent the violence occurring.
@@barrymanulow4896 He murdered their babies ffs!!
@@serendipitous_synchronicity Exactly! which makes my point even more pressing. If we are to prevent such tragedies in the future, we must start looking at the issue of domestic violence much more holistically.
Experts must start to gain an understanding that "a final blow" is always landed for a reason.
Prevention is always a preferable method than the cure.
@@barrymanulow4896 Of course prevention should be the angle.
A married man or woman should never ever be e-mailing others of the opposite sex that just opens the door to other things if he never did that it would have maybe never happened me an my fiance always talk about not putting our self into a situation where we could cheat. cheating doesn't just happen you allow it
Totally agree and have lived that. You can guard your relationship and nurture it or leave it open to outside influence and take the chance that one of you makes a mistake that brings down the house you've built together.
who emails anymore ? was it the work email 😑
People have affairs , so what
Anyone who thinks that emailing a coworker of the opposite sex is a "temptation " has a major insecurity problem!
Two people who are truly in love are never insecure about being cheated on. If you're insecure then it's not love.
What happens when both peeps lie to themselves first, then the rest comes easy. Self awareness is missing in them both. Sad story, often repeated.
Dr Todd can you explain the traits NK had when she deleted all her phone correspondence to CW, lied over and over again in the police interviews, told CW to pawn Shannan’s wedding ring, and looked up how to cash in on a tragedy right away by searching for Amber Fry’s net worth (the person Scott Peterson was having an affair with)? I can”t quite pin her down and listening to her police interviews is infuriating knowing how much she lies in them and her mannerisms.
I'd like for Dr. Todd to talk about the traits of people who gangstalk someone with no evidence of that person being involved in the murders, with her own issues, but no email, text or physical evidence of any involvement in the murders. What personality type(s) continue to harass, defame and gangstalk someone in that situation?
Stupid, it’s obvious. She didn’t want to be implicated
@@mandaqu Dont call people stupid.
@@mandaqu You’re correct
I wonder about that wedding ring nonsense. Why would Chris ask HER how much it was worth? HE is the one who bought it!
I always appreciate your objective analysis, Doctor.
I don't know if you already have a q and a video but I'd like to know what were your motivation to start this channel? :)
This is a great idea.
People are suffering and he has knowledge to help. I’m sure that’s his reason, to help people through these confusing, sad situations.
Money$$
Well $$$$ of course
Money and that's completely fine.
I totally agree with this assessment! They both passive aggressively wanted "it".
Could you talk about his mom Cindy, and how her controlling/possibly narcissistic behavior, may have influenced the way Chris acted? I'm fascinated with this story and how he could be driven do that to his wife and little girls..for what?
I've read that he's called a "family annihilator"...could you maybe expand on that too?
He already did cw family anhialator
Yes, he wanted out. This was a game changer for him NK.
IMO! Was she the mother from hell? She makes me sick, ill, and nauseous the way she is blind to the terrible actions of her son! It’s like are you kidding me! Karma
The self aggrandizing veiled as a compliment to nichol is a sign to me. "you seem like an amazing person.………..we have so much in common." Rinse and repeat"amazing day!!!" The pedastalling and mirroring to reflect self praise is a common covert narc tool.
Forest..they were.trying to make it more than what it was about which was sex.
canuck It’s definitely manipulation. It’s probably HARDLY about sex, but about getting other emotional needs met
Dr. Todd Grande, thank you for your time and effort in sharing 👍 👍. In my opinion, NK already knew he was still married and Shannan was pregnant. Nothing more and nothing less. He had a choice in life with his marriage. It was greed for money and infidelity which resulted in murder.
I adore you Dr Grande .My oldest child is now one of your biggest fans as well . Thank you ❤️
Always love your breakdown, Dr. Grande. My wife and I are always fascinated, and we learn so much. Thank you.
The was that Chris and Nichole text each other reminds me of two junior high kids texting each other!
Thank you! You are very in depth in your answers. I respect your opinion. She seems so manipulative! I saw her interviews and nauseating to listen to. Just a very sad ending!
Me too! I felt the red flags in my stomach every time she was gaslighting or manipulating in the interview.
Apparently, he now has a girlfriend , Anna, who visits him in jail every week. What is that about? Why would anyone be remotely attracted to someone who is a family annihilator? Could it be someone wanting to gain notoriety riding on his coat tails? Or are there really people who are like this? And why are they like it?
This can be caused by the person having psychological trauma or traits that allow them to click into place in the other person's scenario. A simple example would be victim /perpetrator or abused/abuser , and so on. Or having witnessed such dynamics in the home or elsewhere. But of course as you mentioned there could be the seeking notoriety factor, making money from it etc.
Both of the Menendez brothers are married
Love your channel & your work!
Lunch with an awesome video by Dr. Grande!!! I'm winning at life right now lol
Amazing how much crime starts with sexual immorality.
Devil's work sex greed lies murder DO WE REALLY KNOW ANYONE????? Words of Tammy Lee ,,,Will never leave my brain NEVER.
Cheating is not a crime. Murder is.
@@carriefawcett9990 I didn't say it was. I said it seems to lead to crime in an amazing number of cases.
The fact that you think it started with the affair is a bit much. How about this… it started with him being emotionally inept and Shanann being controlling and abusive. Not a great recipe for a happy ending
@@matts901stop giving credit to a mythological creature and start holding humans responsible for their shitty choices. Also- do you even know what causes psychopathy? Brain deformities. Who’s responsible for THAT? God.
That was amazing! Not just an analysis of their communication but on infidelity in general. Thank you!
Thank you for this , ive been trying too tell youtubers no way was it cluster B ( i have BPD) this is the firtst video ive watched that makes any sense ! xo
These videos are fascinating. I'm addicted! Can you please do one on Darlie Routier?
White Rose: Yeah the Darlie Routier case is fascinating!
Yes please.
He did
Good video, Dr. Grande. I think CW has severe mental health issues. I do believe he wore a "mask" to conceal his true self from others, he was a master at mimicking good behavior. So, he goes into this affair. For lack of finding better words, did this just completely spin his brain out, was something he couldn't control? He was making mistakes ( he was normally so correct), acting out of character. What about him wearing those energy patches, his elevated heart rate, constant working out combined with everything else? I find him terrifying. I think NK was young, very wreckless, naive, and she had no idea just how demented CW was becoming. She had no way of knowing. He was wearing a separate mask for her and her alone. Thanks, I always enjoy your videos!
Cw wasn't demented he was always that way ,like you say he wore a mask
He was a covert/ victim narcissist with sociopathic (anti social personality disorder) traits..playing the good, submissive husband and good father, good neighbour and all the while sleeping around. He was very suave in his lying but his lack of appropriate emotionality and the cold eyes didn't match up with events and gave him away. He was also impulsive and rage filled, and he kept Shannon on the tenterhooks of covert Narcissistic abude. She was under so much stress and unwell...and he finally snapped when she probably confronted him about being distant and whether he's having an affair and threatening to leave him and that gave him a huge Narcissistic injury, his primary supply threatening to leave, and he foolishly and impulsively thought if he killed her and the kids he would be able to get away with it and start a new life with NK.
@@meera2531 new life yes without a doubt but rage nooo he planned the lot
@@franmellor9843 no...it didn't show proper planning. He was a mess. And it unravelled so quick. He realised he was getting caught.
Dana Davison - I agree with you 100 percent. You stated it perfectly.
Dr. Grande, i was wondering if you could do a video on prison relationships. For instance, I watch the show Love After Lock Up and am highly interested in the dynamics of prison inmates and where a ''hustler mindset' is common and also about the people who look to them for relationships.
Brilliant movie on this topic: The Paperboy (director Lee Daniels) starring John Cusack as a deranged man imprisoned for killing a sheriff who magnetizes the very bored, empty, low expectations, seductive Nicole Kidman, who thinks he is just misunderstood and railroaded. Also starring Matthew McConaughey as a self destructive, masochistic journalist who returns to a small Everglades town where his young brother, played by Zac Efron vainly tries to keep him from harm, and Macy Gray who tries to be the mother figure both boys lacked. Screenplay by Pete Dexter from his novel.
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Thanks for the suggestion. Ill check it out.
I love that show but the dynamics between some of those folks leave me scratching my head
@@evelynwaugh4053 yes, I thank you for the suggestion as well. I'm disabled & always love to hear of good movies to watch/books to read.
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I love that show as well.
Thank you Dr Grande... I found this so interesting due to your focus on the affair behaviour... would you consider doing another vid that digs into how people in affairs behave more generally from your experience of dealing with those in this state? My hubby met someone and continued talking online for 2 mths before leaving me and our child... I think you are right when you say that they have a reckless disregard for the marriage and also that their view about the consequences of their actions changes significantly while in an affair... but these online emotional affairs (whether they start with an in person meeting in person or not) seem to be becoming so common and it is tearing families apart! But the person caught in it absolutely cannot be reasoned with and totally believe they have found the holy grail and it is worth destroying other lives to have it... more insight on this temporary insanity (or is it more of a longstanding issue within them?) would be great... thanks again...
Maddi Dee ....I think that many people are simply very selfish and that’s why these things happen so often. That the simple reasons for affairs most of the time... a combination of lust and extreme selfishness. The murder part not so common, but certainly not unheard of obviously. All people are flawed, but some in ways that always ends up destroying others lives.
Teresa S yes - well I can tell you that after watching a bunch of vids about Chris watts case- I did feel suddenly grateful that my hubby just left me instead of the worst case scenario... I do think it is selfishness too- but it is just so sad the people can’t put their families on equal level as their own happiness... and Ig is impossible for a well worn and established relationship/partnership to ever have the same sparkle as a new person and a fantasy... but why do some overstep the mark vs others that build the boundary & say ‘no thanks, I’m married’... does that even exist anymore or are we all so starved for validation that a few kind words from a stranger and we are hooked!?
@@SilverGirlAu most people would end the marriage and then look for someone else. But some have Sociopathic and Narcissistic traits that make them highly selfish and impulsive and lacking in empathy.
The mistake you make is to blame others for your own shortcomings. If your partner is seeking online chat with another person then YOU, are the one who is not satisfying their needs. If you are no longer compatible, then you are no longer compatible. Accept the fact and stop playing the blame game. Find yourself someone who you are compatible with, assuming that such a soul exists. Good luck! Broadly speaking, there is someone for everyone.
Your analysis has been very intriguing. A lot of variables to look at. Very sad, horrible and many Q's still unknown. Thank you for your time in preparation to look at this case, from your perspective.
Please, take it from me, All affairs end badly. My hubby was murdered by his girlfriend ( we were separated)
Please, do not cheat. Please. If you want someone else, then get a divorce FIRST. The life you save, might just be your own. Please, do not cheat!!!!
Omg!I'm shocked!great vid....learnt a lot.Thanks for your time to make this!
Thanks for an early upload today.
So I can finally go to sleep on time😁
Have a great day Dr. Grande👍
What is interesting to me is how fast she turned him in!
I think that she was involved with the murders and that she and Chris discussed if they were caught that he would take all the blame! Her phone was pinged in Fredricks CO around the time of the murders that morning! By her calling and telling the police about the affair then took eyes off of her in case they found out about her later on! Therefore, she didn’t become a suspect and wasn’t further investigated! 🤷🏻♀️
Wouldn't you do that same thing if you hadn't been involved? Clearing my name and creating distance from the person would top the list.
When someone cheats, the one they cheat with is never an upgrade on their current partner. Guess this is proof.
Sometimes it is my ex-husband is a classic drunk abuser cheater and the woman he’s with now was an upgrade for me but that’s his problem not mine he’s probably just using her for money anyway like he did my family
Your words about what people are feeling when they have an affair..the feelings of the connection being "so profound, deep" ..Omg. This was practically to the letter of what my husband said when he described his affair with a "friend" of mine. And yes it ended in disaster. Her husband dumped her. My husband is still with me..says he never wanted to leave me. We are together still, but obviously my inability to fully trust him to make sound choices will always haunt us. It's sad. But mostly for him. I'm DAMN LUCKY he wasn't a murderous sociopath.
sounds like limerence
How are you lucky? He cheated and you let him stay.
Dr Grande, again you are so wise. Your perspiration is on point. Thank you again for the education.💝
Great video Dr. Grande. Im going to take a chance and ask if you could please talk about treatment resistant depression? ❤
Good video. 👍🏻 Dr. Grande, it really is common things that happen, until the murders. Not common at all. Hope your having a good week. 💗
Maybe it’s me but I thinks it’s strange to tell a guy I want the life you have with your wife before your even seeing him yet. It just seems creepy to me like saying I know your married and I want to be your wife some day. I just think it’s being too forward by saying that.
Dude goes Out and kills his entire family over a very basic woman… Due to the rigors and stress of dealing with a wife who was trapped in a pyramid scheme telling him what to do every day… how sad n dreadful this whole story is
And I swore I'd never respond to the CW rabbit hole again. Thanks, Dr. Grande. Interesting take on emails I'd forgotten about.
U should look into watt’s mother personality, I think that is where it starts... not going to wedding, not following shanan’s wishes to keep kids safe away from nuts, not allowing shanan’s parents visit with kids, etc.... I think watt’s family started it all..... 🤔
Seem like lots of mother-in-law’s are just like his mama rebellious always questioning the life thank God I got out of a marriage like this one
This is why I DO NOT entertain any personal exchanges with married people! You see how the edge into that affair sentence by sentence. Married coworkers would think I was being extra when I would not exchange personal numbers. And even with email, I refused to email after a certain time. NO WAY 🙅🏽♀️
I would think if a man was looking for a dallience, he would pull back after the prospective mistress states she wants the life he already has. I mean that is not a fantasy, he knows that "beautiful life" is actually hard and full of responsibility.
I would think he would be leery.
Leading her to think that would ever be possible is called future faking.
@@SaltyFloridian Ahhh, hadn't heard of that, but I get why one would future fake, except, well, that email should have alerted him to a high maintenance situation. I guess people don't think about the complications, just the immediate gratification of approval, admiration and sex.
@@katiess9708 You nailed it. Neither was Mr/Ms Right. They were just Mr/Ms Right Now.
@@SaltyFloridian Yeah so you can see that the dynamic at this point falls within normal range of human behavior. I just wonder at what point in each of their minds , did it turn pathological?
She made it clear that she coveted his family and life. That is bizarre to me as a lure. I think she had an obsession. What was the moment, that he turned pathological?
Had they escaped suspicion, I wonder what they would have done in the future?
@@katiess9708 I think they were feeding off each other's fixation. He, being a narc, fed off her adoration/obsession for him. She, being the way she is, fed off the attention he gave her and the fantasy of what might be. She sort of created her own reality and future with him in her mind. Whether he really did future fake her or whether she played herself, I don't think we'll ever know. Maybe he just let her think whatever she wanted to. I don't think he had any true long term plans with her. I think he wanted out of his current situation(unhappy marriage and 3rd child he didn't want) The wedding dress shopping really got me, though. As if, girl. As. If.
It would be interesting if Dr Grande could make an analysis of Chris Watts relationship to his parents. Especially to his mother, and on his mother as well. It's been so much about her being a narcissist, and I would really like to have a professional opinion I could trust.
Dr. Grande: Do you believe that the concept of limerence played a role in the behavior of Chris Watts? I’d also love to hear your take on this concept in general.
Yes, I would love for Dr Grande to do a video on limerence.
Most affairs do end badly. Affairs make people 'lose their mind'. CW clearly lost his mind in extreme. It is all SO sad. If CW was madly in love with NK, how might this have affectedly his brain? Is it theoretical that his pre frontal cortex / executive functioning might have gone badly off kilter? I've watched all the sad sad you tubes about this sad case, and I still can't decide if very pre meditated OR it became a possibility in his mind as a result of the extreme effect the love affair had on his brain. His innocent wife and kids represented a threat to his new found stimulation / joy. Did he lose his mind? And then just turn into a robotic murder machine? Poor beautiful innocent Shannan, she had no idea he would become a monster.
Watch the video "A very Murderous Narcissist" by channel 'Knowing the Narcissist'... Basically Chris Watts suffered a huge Narcissistic injury because his wife threatened to leave him or found out about the affair or he asked for a divorce and she wouldn't give one and so he felt completely cornered and decided killing her and the kids was the only way out to a new life.
@M Z yes it's HG Tudor's channel... You're welcome :)
Right but you can fix the frontal lobe cortex by doing certain brain exercises You also need to eat certain current foods that help expand that part of the brain
Guarantee early on CW referred to being straight forward about the fact he’s married. But he did lie as he also said they’re going through a separation.
NK already knows he’s married with kids from FB stalking but obviously felt he was up for the taking.
Totally agree Dr. Grande.....nothing in the emails that suggested or even hinted towards the murders. This case is soooo fascinating people can't let it go so they are trying to pick out little things from everything
Pleeeeease do as many videos as possible about Chris Watts case, I’m obsessed with this case. Also Jodi Arias, I watch her in between Chris Watts lol
Throw in a little Casey Anthony as well. LoL
Hahaha this case has gripped like no other that's for sure
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I heard that Scott Peterson is gearing up for his appeal soon? I've also heard that Casey Another is trying to help with his case and is coming out with a movie about her life that's going to include lots of steamy scenes. Interesting people for sure.
@@Peace-Love-Light yeah have heard about a film hope she doesn't make money....film also being made about cw too
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Yup and Im watching all of them. Side note: Doesn't Regina from the movie Mean Girls remind you of Jodi Arias?
CW is a blatant liar and NK knew of his marriage and his family as per her email and both of them still engaged in an affair....these 2 people are horrible human beings who had total disregard of Shannan and his girls. Affairs do end badly and in this regard, tragically.
He told her he was separated, sleeping in the basement, and that divorce was imminent. Blaming Kessinger for what a sick man did to his children is, itself, sick.
I don't think you can do a whole lot with just the work emails but you definitely did an excellent job with what you have. But then there is a lot in terms of the psychology of both these people if one is to base what one sees on the rest of the discovery plus things that CW said (if one is to believe anything that comes out of his mouth since he seems to mix truths and lies). NK told her friend Charlotte that men she dated were usually non-committal. And that this man was different. I think she had an attraction to unavailable men and then wanted to change them into available people and that was her task. My theory is they both started an extramarital affair (both fully knowing) that later became a demand to get rid of wife and children.
More likely she didn't really want to get married, regardless of what she said. She had said before that she attracted married men, and apparently she didn't demand they get rid of wife and children. Her pattern was to date married/noncommittal men and end up still single. This one blew up in her face.
@@catspajamas2961 yh i dont think nicole expected chris watts to go that far but i have a gut feeling she alluded to it /fantasized about it, i got the impression that she didnt care much a bout the murders
@@catspajamas2961 of course theres no evidence to support my opinion, but there are some red flags with nicole that i cant ignore, she seems to be very manipulative and i believe the reason for her saying 'nice' things about the kids and 'helping' chris plan his future are all tactics to make her appear as a nice, kind innocent woman. In reality we know that she didnt give a fuck about the kids or chris marriage.
.She was going in to the family home unbeknownst to Shannan, which is highly disrespectful. She kept saying she felt uncomfortable going into "their space" but she still did it multiple times, probably to be nosey and i believe Nicole and chris had sex in that house for a thrill, no doubt.
. She repeatedly planted seeds in Chris head that she wouldnt stay with him if he didnt leave his family, she wasnt cool with being a mistress like shes making out, she probably argued with Chris about it all the time.
.She kept saying she didnt want kids and she was upset that she wouldnt be his "first" wife and babymama.
.She said she was encouraging Chris to fix his marriage but at the same time was having sex with him 3-4 times a day and pushing him to think about his future without Shannan, telling him to pawn his wifes ring, telling him to check the market value of his house.
There is a reason why Shannan said she feels guilty about Chris killing them, she felt like she played a part because she DID.
The final flag, Chris told her his family was 'gone', she responded "what have you done", which indicates she was aware he was capable of such a thing. She then immediately deleted all their phone history and searched the internet about the scott peterson case and how much money his mistress amber frey recieved for her book deal.
I believe Chris had alluded to her many times that he wanted his family "gone",
That he wanted them to dissapear and that he wished he met Nicole first, and Nicole soaked it all up because she a narcissist, she felt good with him telling her this, a normal person would be disgusted that someone would wish for their kids to dissapear, and be concerned about it.
Nicole fed his vile thoughts and she may not have expected him to go through with murder but she gave the fantasy life.
There is also new footage of nicole leaving the family home on the day of the murder..
Shes trying to play the 'gullible mistress role', when she is actually a conniving bitch, she wanted to ruin that family from the beginning, she was jealous of shannan, she keeps gushing about what a lovely life Chris had with his beautiful wife and cute kids and big house, she wanted to destroy that. She pretended not to know who shannan was but had searched her up online a year before.
She is full of shit
@@Neesi392 I agree that she appeared concerned about being found involved or her actual involvement thus the wanting all emails erased. My take is that, giving her suspicious behavior and given all the interactions (long phone calls, meetings, etc.) surrounding when the murders took place, that she's involved more that she is saying and I also feel she is trying to misguide people about her involvement (saying she didn't know he was married, he told him to go fix things with wife, etc.) I feel that she either knew more or influenced things more than she's wanting anyone to know and she is covering her tracks. It is possible, as you said, she may have been surprised he went through with it (did not expect it) or, ust like Chirs, she didn't anticipate he would be found out (didn't anticipate someone would call the poilce so soon before all things were taken care of).
en cee I'm not saying NK is a good person. But getting Shanann killed wouldn't make her his first wife. All of the things you list are evidence that NK is a selfish disrespectful person. They are not evidence of involvement in a murder plot, which is what's relevant. If Chris hadn't wanted a mistress, he wouldn't have gotten one. NK was a tool for him, which is what everyone in his life was if he was a psychopath. She was just the latest one. If it hadn't been her, it would have been another woman, and pretty soon too, I bet. The fact that she said, "what have you done?" (if true) tells me that she did not know what he had done. If she had been involved, she wouldn't have needed to ask.
When someone makes up "facts" out of thin air, then passes judgement on someone based on their made up "facts," I know that the person is projecting their own fears onto the situation, not looking logically and objectively at the situation and analyzing based on genuine facts. It's really just a self-indulgent waste of others' time to post your own paranoid imagination and pretend it's an analysis.
You walk down the street and you probably just walked by someone having an affair, and by a selfish homewrecker and they're saying the same kinds of things NK said. But there aren't hundreds of spousal murders a day where you live. There aren't many Chris-es around. I doubt NK had any idea the kind of person he is. Do you go around outraged about all the mistresses where you live? I bet not. NK is just the one you know about. She's not some unique monster that you need to analyze for paragraphs and go after for months on end. She's everywhere. You just don't have the emails and personal details on the others.
Just on the response to her email Dr.Grande, Chris Watts writes ;
from what I have LEARNED.
And not ;
from what I have HEARD.
(as you quoted it as reading)
So the email reads : and from what I have LEARNED, you are a really amazing person . . . etc etc.
Thanks Dr.Grande.
Dr. Grande just knows the deal
He's very ambivalent toward his children. The videos of him playing with them look like he's just going through the motions, he's not a man that wants kids at all. The attraction to NK is that she doesn't have kids. Yet he goes after women who say they WANT KIDS . Then he feels trapped when kids happen. He doesn't process a thought all the way to the end. Even the way he speaks, the sentences are made up to 4 words long it seems. He's got some sort of numbness in his personality, he behaves a certain way cuz it's considered normal, but doesn't differentiate between psychotic break, and normal. Thrive' did not help at all! I wouldn't be surprised if it was found to be a couple grades under meth. But before the Thrive, this guy just floated through life, and then suddenly blamed his wife for not experiencing life. All this is narcissistic, but it's something else too. Like he was deprived oxygen in the womb- there's an emotional detachment like a birth defect.
He's got Anti social personality disorder along with being a covert/ victim narcissist...they lack empathy, feel little to no emotions and have an overwhelming sense of boredom. Only things like sexual activity and risk taking make them feel alive. They don't feel for their spouses, children, family. They're impulsive and like to break societal norms.
Absolutely. You're onto something there. I definitely believe his attachment pattern that was established towards his parents during childhood is insecure in some way. Ambivalent insecure attachment sounds about right to me for some reason.
I believe Shannan thought her medical condition made having children unlikely..?
He was probably fine with that,Because it meant HE would get all her attention..then the kids came along and he spat his dummy out.
@@annmitchell4663 I also believe his "fighting with his parents" to marry Shannan was an act which he probably held over her head emotionally.
do you think he has dependent personality disorder and out of fear, he did not admit to his wife he had a lover, kill his wife then kept the girls alive for a 45 minute drive and out of desperation he killed them? Violent outbursts and happen in dpd if his new attachment was being threatened. I don't think he was a narcissist or antisocial personality...no way he could have kept that hidden for decades
At this beginning I see more of him trying to get to her not the other way around.
We can reduce Chris's statement to: You're absolutely stunning and an amazing person. We have so much in common.
Doctor todd is it true nikki Kessinger is diagnosed with bipolar disorder it would explain a lot of her bizarre behaviour would love an insight plz ?
This is a very interesting case study, Dr. Grande. You explain in a way that is soothing and educational as well. These two were cheating by email. Bad and deceitful. She dodged a bullitt.
He went of the rails with the affair, the supplement and financial problems. Perfect terrible storm. I am curious into how much the supplements affected his mental health Dr. Grande.
I don’t even know how to word the sadness that this story has introduced to this world.
In Brazil, a good part of the population thinks it is beautiful to be unfaithful. But nobody wants to be on the betrayed side, only on the side that betrays. They believe that betraying is a sign of cunning, being betrayed, a sign of foolishness: pacts exist to be broken. And everyone considers themselves smarter than others.
The most played musical genre in the country (sertanejo, equivalent to country music) has infidelity as its theme. Practically, its only theme in infinite variations.
It's really disgusting
Esse comentário é antigo mas o que você disse é verdade, a realidade pra quem gosta de monogamia aqui é triste...
a video on Pure OCD? from something i've recently watched on youtube, the condition appears to be a near-slow-torture unto death experience, especially from the comments left from sufferers. thank you.
thank you, dr. Grande. i saw a video on youtube just recently and mentioned was this condition known as Pure OCD. Now, i'd heard of OCD before but hadn't paid it much interest. however, when Pure OCD was mentioned, i thought, geez, i've got to learn more about a condition, of which i'd prefer death over suffering it as an affliction. so, today when i was viewing your video, i thought you'd be JUST the person to ask!
No they’re just obsessed with things being clean the germ a phobic and a lot of them have Asperger syndrome
In one email Chris said he believes in karma. Well he got what was coming to him.
Word 👆
He and NK and his family
In Time will get punished
By Jesus just as he will too
Oh his ultimate punishment is coming!
I read someplace that a married man was questioned why did he have an affair? He said it wasn't the sex, it was how she made him feel. The emails with Chris and Nicole started innocently enough. But then you see they wanted them kept secret. If I was Nicole, I would run the other way. I'd say you have a pregnant wife and two little girls. I think he told Nicole they were separated but were they really? It's a bad situation. Honesty? Nothing was honest in this affair. I feel for the family and friends of Shan'ann and the girls. It didn't have to come to this.
Hey Dr. Todd Grande, would you consider doing a psychological analysis of fictional characters, for example Hannibal Lecter?
Dr Grande Thank you..your channel is fascinating
You’re AWESOME, 👏 Dr G! Read my mind! 👍😃
To me it seems pretty obvious that their conversation where he was truthful was him calling her attractive in the workplace. And thats why she seems to be reassuring him that its good he was 'honest' about that because she already wanted him by that point.
They both played with fire, but I don’t believe that NK was involved in the killings and she didn’t know that CW was able to do such heinous crime.
I think it’s scary that some people actually are willing to do a crime themselves to “get even” with NK. Where will it end?
Infidelity isn’t illegal in USA, so she didn’t do anything wrong except falling in love with the wrong guy. You can’t convict a person for killing somebody just because you don’t like their voice and they did something morally wrong, but some ppl apparently think she should be behind bars.. 🤷🏻♀️
Frances Bernard here. I don't know why I have a hard time remembering the content of your videos unless I leave a comment. So here goes: 1. Keeping secrets puts 2 people on a different path. 2. Sometimes that secret keeping is only a blag being orchestrated by someone who crosses over to the anti-social personality disorder range long enough for them to later be recognized by clinicians maybe.. 3. Clinicians and law enforcement find the lack of recognition of anti-social behavior in general so frustrating that they must be constant doing anger management around that kind of behavior. 4. Maturity does not give too much weight on only feelings nor do they believe to be that unique to be alone in being treated that way by one person at work.