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Same!!!! Shady friend for sure. Though, I don’t really agree with the helicopter theory. Don’t you think falling from that height and through a hole, there would be more blood spattered on the ceiling and surrounding the area. I also live next to a children’s hospital that uses a helicopter. You can see it flying and landing on top of the building and it’s LOUD so I don’t really buy that someone trying to murder would want that much attention.
@@manifesting7671 I live near a hospital with helicopter too. I hear it flying by my house daily. Oddly enough both times I was in the hospital to give birth, I never heard it at all! And the windows in the maternity ward face the side where the landing pad is (it's next to the parking lot, not on top of the building). Maybe hospital walls are more soundproof than other buildings? But yes I agree it's too loud to not be noticed at a hotel.
@@manifesting7671 my theory is that he never fell, and he was never up on that rooftop at all. His injuries are consistent with severe beating. It's just that the cops quickly decided it was suicide so they said the injuries must have been from falling from heights.
A lot of cameras in stores are for show, to discourage shoplifting.... I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't even turned on. More active cameras = higher cost.
Right like why even have them? It seems like every other murder or disappearance case the cameras dont work, or in the area where the person was just so happened that that section of cameras weren't working.
@@Khous-yg1ur To discourage people from committing a crime thinking the camera is running. The place I worked for a while had one over the register area that our boss found in the trash, didn't even have a plug attached, but people saw it and assumed it worked
A few years ago I had a psychotic break from meds for my MS. I spent a month in the hospital, but started going crazy a few weeks before I was admitted. I thought I had the answer to the universe and needed to get messages to certain people. It turned into thinking people were watching me, determined to stop me. I’m also a writer ... and thinker. Months after , we’d find little messages written on strips of paper ... taped to things like the back of the garbage bin in the bathroom. I tend to think something more like foul play happened to him because of his end ... but he definitely seems to have had the same tendencies of me in my psychotic break! PS-No more meds ... totally fine now 🤗
My mom had a similar experience when she went into psychosis before being diagnosed with bipolar disorder. She thought our house had hidden cameras and we were on mtv, she could literally hear her fans cheering for her when she did things that were out of the ordinary or irrational. I could 100% see this being the case here too, lots of similarities. Lots of paranoia, jumping to conclusions, etc.
BREAKING: Nearly 20 years after 17-year-old Alissa Turney disappeared from Phoenix, Arizona, her stepfather has been arrested and charged with her murder.
Yesssss !! I follow Sarah on tiktok and when she announced this the other day I was shocked. She’s worked so hard to bring awareness to her sisters disappearance/death. I’m so so so so happy for her. It’s like someone else wrote in the comments, now that he’s been arrested maybe he’ll finally confess so Sarah can have a little closure !
@@jovonajosephine9975 There's a map of the desert that was mentioned a few times. Maybe they'll find Alissa's body and many more... Who knows how many people used the same place for dropping off bodies?
Ok, so instead of him really wanting to join the masons because he liked them and wanted to be part of it. How about he wanted to teach himself just enough to get in so he could make some type of expose film?? Right before he went missing he ordered some equipment, right? He was playing the part with the help of his 'Masons for Dummies' book. He secretly investigated and recorded. They caught on and he was a goner. He was super into film and was being secretive. He knew it was dangerous and he prob had a feeling they were catching on, hence the paranoia with his wife and the puzzling phone calls. The letter was his attempt to get their trust or to save himself? His friend was doing with him, but Porter actually ended up really wanting to join for real. Porter called Rey, told him to meet him for a secret meeting, they were on his helicopter and Rey was then pushed or ordered out. Porter's first sacrifice? The company, the masons, porter they are all together and they killed Rey. Just a thought...i have no idea. LOL i haven't heard of this case before, but very, very interesting! Good video guys!
Very interesting theory, I was thinking along the same lines. Except maybe his best friend actually was a mason already as well as some of the police officers involved
@@Laura-fh3sc thank you and I agree with you. I was just watching more videos on on Rey's case and there were a few more details that would point in that direction for sure!
Geez Louise id be interested to know if there were any landing pads near the hotel bc that would make a lot more sense considering where he landed and the fact that there is no evidence of him entering the hotel
My step father was / is a free mason. I say was / is because he started to act very paranoid & strange like this... He left our family about 7 years ago and we have not heard of or from him since.
The letter is not a suicide letter... Its a speech. He was aceppted to the secret sociaty and that was his speech. And he was introducing himself (favorite movies ...).
Excellent point. I was thinking when he text Porter "I finally got it all figured out" he was talking about finding a way to join. But he could also have been reffing to the note/speech
I totally agree, it sounds like it. But I also think that the message "I finnaly figured it out" could be about Portrer scamming people.Maybe he was trying to figure out what is going on with the company and when he told Porter he figured it out, he killed him. Hes deffinetly sketchy as fuck, he didnt even want to help police and its supposed to be his "best friend"
Thank you for talking about Iowa's storm!! The devastation is crazy. It was the scariest moment of my life when 100+ mph winds started shaking my house and trees started falling all around me. So many of my friends and family are on day 9 without power and water.
I’m from Wisconsin and that storm hit us too but NOTHING like what you guys experienced. I couldn’t even handle hearing the tornado sirens go off as I witnessed the winds pick up. I can’t even imagine what you all went through and are still going through. I’m so sorry to hear that your friends and family are still without! I hope better days are near for you all!
I’m from Iowa and if the city wouldn’t have cut the tree behind my apartment building about 2 weeks prior, it would have went straight through my bedroom window while I was sleeping. Definitely really terrifying
Thank you for talking about the disaster that happened in Iowa. It blows my mind that no one is talking about it more, love my home state and love you guys 🤍
I don’t remember the Netflix show mentioning much about the Freemasons. Probably because they’re owned by them or something . They just skim right over it like it’s not significant . Lame 😒
When he mentioned the movie The Game, I literally lost it. *spoilers* at the end of the movie, the main character jumps off a building into the annex below.... WTF
I think that letter he left behind holds all of the answers. We just haven’t been able to decipher it or we have but the authorities won’t look more into it . That porter guy definitely has something to do with it and so does the company for sure . Especially after the gag order .
I'm 8 months pregnant and have spent a lot of my pregnancy watching the videos you guys make, So much so my baby kicks when she hears the videos start and when you guys talk 😂😂😂
I was just wishing that I had a new episode to watch! My anxiety has been crazy this week and I'm so glad that I have this to fall back on. Listening to both of you is always so calming! I love each of your podcasts! The sesh, Lights out, even your normal youtube videos are so peaceful to me.
@@Taywanee They didn't hit on a lot of easily found info in this one. Usually they're on point, so I'm hoping the fact checking in this episode is a fluke.
Yes! His friend from the company seems very sketch city. He found something out about the company and started asking questions to the wrong people. And they had him killed. In my opinion anyway...
Am so glad am not the only one who thinks the company and his so called best friend look fishy no one Lawers up so one can talk he was ment to be his best friend
How is it that untrained citizens thought of the “dropped from a helicopter” theory and law enforcement didn’t? You don’t even need a warrant to look up ATC data, there’s dozens of websites and software. You just need time/date and the number in which the aircraft is registered under (I assume). Hopefully, someone who’s knowledgeable does an in-depth investigation because I know this case can be solved. I’m thinking Ray joined a society for protection bc his no good friend was threatening him and his wife. Ray probably discovered the business was a pyramid scheme or doing shady business of some sort.
@@emilymyers1095 private or not you can't just fly around .... You have to call in. There has to be record of it . If there was an unknown helicopter flying around it would have been looked into the second it hit the sky. I have no idea how no one noticed anything...that's why I think the helicopter theory is not true in my opinion.
This podcast was absolutely amazing! I really love learning about Freemasons and their links to things. Can you guys do an entire episode on them??? I also really loved in the beginning of the podcasts when you guys covered the 5 families. Is it possible for you guys to do something similar with hugely influential and rich people? Love ya both and keep up the amazing work!
Saw this case on unsolved mysteries, and I've wondered if possibly he was killed beforehand and whoever did it threw his body off the top of the roof to hide it/get rid of it. This could possibly explain the inconsistent break in his shins, if he was already deceased, I would imagine it would be easier for his body to fall straight down like a projectile. If say 2 or more people worked together and threw his body off with enough force, maybe that would explain how his body landed so far out from the roof. Also with his body having been decomposing for several days before he was found, possible evidence of him being killed in some other fashion before being thrown from the roof could have been destroyed. Just a theory, not sure how realistic this is.
Maybe his shins were broken from having a car driven towards him. If I remember correctly there was a car park on of the upper levels of the building. If a car was driven towards him at speed the force could propel his body to land further than expected.
I'm so early! I love listening to all three of the podcasts yall offer. Thanks for keeping me semi sane during lock down. Been watching yall from day one. Love from California
I don't think he killed him or hired someone but I think he knows something. I have a feeling that he's afraid of the people who did it and that they're powerful people. Maybe even clients of his that he knows have heavy influence and could just very well kill him too so he shut everyone up.
I'm kind of suspicious of the friends that found the hole in the Belvedere. It was a small hole, barely noticeable. It could be that they felt guilty and wanted his body to be found so they decided to "discover" it.
That's terrible. I am from California, where we have an intense heat wave where we have rolling blackouts. But, it is nothing compared to what is happening in Iowa. I hope you and your family stay safe! 🙏
It’s insane to me that my mom knew this guy when they were in high school. It just made that unsolved mystery episode so much more impactful, you know?
Honestly for some reason I had always thought the hole was already there. I don’t know how no one noticed a hole but it seems really odd to me that a person would create a hole in the roof of a building. Also if someone was falling from a high area(especially if they could possibly be dead before the fall) how would they stay completely vertical to go through the roof that way? I definitely don’t know a lot about physics either so I don’t know how that would all work. Just my thoughts.
Thank you so much for mentioning Iowa. Nobody ever talks about us. I personally had a tree fall into my house and my car is totaled and I am struggling financially now. It means a lot to hear you guys talk about it!
I saw this on Unsolved Mysteries and it seriously has left me speechless. It’s so intriguing; I hope for the family’s sake, it gets solved no matter how long it takes detectives.
The house guest was Allison’s either friend or coworker I forgot which one, she also said ray said “oh shit” or something along those lines before leaving in a hurry
In the Netflix documentary, Allison says Claudia "was a colleague", but she doesn't specify if she meant Claudia was her colleague or Rey's colleague. She probably meant Claudia was her colleague, but we can't be certain without clarification.
In the Netflix documentary his wife explains who the house guest was. She says her name was Claudia and she was a colleague of hers. I think Kendal and Josh going on so much about how strange it is that they didn’t know who the house guest was it weird because this whole case was made big again on Netflix and rays wife explained who she was in this documentary!
Yeah I found that weird, I feel like they didn't really watch the episode and may have just done this episode to hop onto the hype train. Kinda disappointed in this episode ngl.
I think it’s weird you would have women colleague stay with your husband if your not home. She didn’t say friend she said colleague. I wouldn’t let a women who am not friends with stay in my home with my husband.
keri De Almeida I feel like then that’s a personal problem! Every relationship is different, personally would I let a female colleague stay in my house? Ya sure! If she needed somewhere to stay. And for 1 or 2 nights I wasn’t going to be there? Why not? I trust my husband and it wouldn’t even come into my mind that he was going to cheat on me at the first chance he got! And if for some reason she advanced on him I would trust he wouldn’t allow it and ask her to leave! I don’t think that the woman ‘ Claudia ‘ is the weird part I think it’s strange that Kendal and josh didn’t know who she was when it says it in the documentary
The Houseguest was a friend/ colleague of Alison named Claudia. She was clearly mentioned in the unsolved mysteries episode and was ruled out/ co-operate with police I believe. Not used to you guys missing that kind of information..
Ive actually slightly had that “Truman Delusion” when I was younger!!!!! Because so many small coincidences would happen in my life and I felt like people could almost hear my thoughts or I would know what would happen next. Those thoughts sometimes still happen to me I would be like “tf, what if people are actually watching me rn, though” but seriously not just as a trippy thought and this was before I even watched the movie I LOVE THE TRUMAN SHOW
We were in this storm...it was so bizarre!!!! We stood outside as it rolled in and things literally went from 0-10 in a matter of seconds. In addition, our neighbors all seemed to have major damage/power outages/etc.... my backyard looked untouched and we did not loose power. I have a small patch of corn stalks that I thought for sure would be blown down, but they weren't. Again, this was a very strange storm.
Am I the only one that has always thought it’s weird that the friends even went to the roof at all to look?? If my friend went missing I wouldn’t go to the roof of the hotel next door to look for my friend? Just weird.
I’ve watched a load of people cover Rey’s case and it wasn’t until I’m watching this one that it’s struck me as odd to go up to the roof. I was looking for this comment
i saw a really interesting theory that rey’s death was an initiation/hazing, into the free masons, that went wrong. the theory talks about how they brought him to the roof and told him to jump to prove his loyalty, not thinking he’d do it, but then he actually did (hence the run and jump that would cover the 45 ft)... it doesn’t explain the weird shin injuries, but i still think it’s interesting.
My grandpa was a free mason. My family always had so much pride describing him being in it! That being part of the free masons was extraordinary and a very high honor. My mom (his daughter in law) described him as highly intelligent and a very prominent member of the community. My grandpa died of a heart attack when I was 6 months old…. But, both my parents seemed to brag and love the idea that he was part of it. He was also a high member of the Shriners which is part of the free masonry. They said he did a lot of good and helped a lot of people through his membership.
Although I'd like to believe the paranormal aspect, I'm more inclined to believe that humans are the more vicious kind. Porter, the best friend, did it or knew something. He immediately lawyered up. Didn't even reach out to Rey's family knowing his best friend died. That alone made him guilty.
Easy to assume that but he was in the middle of an SEC investigation and did not want any public attention about his business. I mean for sure he was lacking compassion and care not putting his missing friend first and the cheap 1000 dollar reward but I can see the rationale for him wanting to keep his fraudulent business out of the papers.
As someone from Iowa, thank you so much for covering the derecho!! So so many people are still without power, food, water and shelter. The more coverage the better! Iowans have been coming together to help each other but we need all the help we can get.
OMG We call those STRAIGHT WINDS in Minnesota!!!!! I've lived through a couple up there in my life and they are just as terrifying as a tornado. I still remember the last one I experienced and it took down this massive and old tree across the front of this insanely old houses yard, barely missing their house, and my friends porch was crushed by his tree that completely fell over..roots and all sticking up in the air...friggin crazy dudes!!! ...I have seen some INSANE damage from these winds! THIS IS WHY WE HAVE BASEMENTS!!!!!! IF YOU KNOW WHERE TO DONATE PLEASE LEAVE A COMMENT BELOW!
Coming from someone from east-central Illinois, thank you for covering the storm! There wasn't much coverage other than local coverage, and while in my area we got the least of the impact, even we were out of power, internet, cell service, and there were tons of trees and limbs that had fallen. There were trees ripped from the ground in the northern suburbs and power lines down for days
The broken shins remind me of torture where they basically break your shins so you can't get away, so I'm thinking they broke his shins before he "jumped" or was thrown off. I feel like he was dead before he was sadly disposed of.
I believe it was suicide. His odd behaviour leading up to it sounded like he was having some sort of paranoid delusions. I wonder they ever tested wether someone could have fell through that space from all angels using dummies or some sort of science. Great podcast and story.
Hey Kendall and Josh!!!!! Thanks for giving me something to enjoy yet again!! I’m working at home now so I need the entertainment! Great job on the LOP and the sesh! Love y’all greetings from OHIO! -Christopher Maglione
What about a crane that's something that if it was around could go unnoticed if construction was happening around that time. After they kill Rey they use a crane to put a hole in the building. This is after they have staged the entire thing on the ground to make it look like he fell through. Might sound crazy but I mean it's an option.
Fun fact: I'm actually related to Christopher Reeve believe it or not! He was related distantly but it's still kinda cool to know that I'm related to the original superman✌🏻
Actually he wasn't the original Superman. Two other men played Superman before Christopher Reeve, but I liked Christopher Reeve a lot. He was Superman when I was a kid.
I normally get a gut feeling or can agree with a theory about what happened to the victim in true crime cases, but this one has me completely stumped. I truly have no idea what could have happened. It’s just so bizarre. Each theory just leaves me with more questions. I do think Porter is suspicious and knows more then he’s letting on. I hope this case gets a big push from the Unsolved Episode and people talking about it.
And YES this type of storm has NEVER happened before! Tornadoes? Yes of course, we stand outside and watch but a hurricane in Iowa? Um no! And our local news just said today the winds were found to be 140mph! 🤦🏼♀️
I’m trying to figure out how his friends knew exactly where to fly the drone and why a hole in the roof made them send police to check it out... that seems like they had more info then they’re letting in on.
Just now watching this episode... I'm from Iowa and live in an area that was affected by the derecho. It's nice to see you guys giving attention to that storm. I actually was driving home when it started, but stopped to stay at a friend's to wait it out cause I had my children with me. It was scary!
Would his body even gain enough speed to go through the metal roof vertical by jumping from the ledge or roof? I think a helicopter or small plane was evolved and someone put his car there after he was pushed or jumped out after being tortured for information by breaking his leg(s). He could've jumped himself to be sure they would find his body. Knowing they were planning to drop him in the ocean? After taking the car away from the airport and parking the car at the hotel, the person(s) went on the roof of the parking garage and threw his other belongings on it not damaging them enough. The reason for that is to make it look like a normal suicide. Too much of his personal belongings missing would be suspicious. The hidden letter was his freemason acceptance speech, the reason he went to the helicopter/plane in such a hurry. Unfortunately, it was a trick to get him vulnerable and alone, knowing his interest and motivation to get in this society would get him out of his house. And the reason for all of this? Maybe he found out something about the company he worked for. Most likely about money.
There’s no doubt that he was dead before he was thrown down the hole. There were entirely too many injuries to his body & even shoes that are consistent with a violent assault. Also the fact that the police got so bent is an Enormous red flag.
What? I wastched several videos on this case and never heard that the car was at the airport. I thought he drove it himself from home to the hotel parking lot.
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I think someone (parker)convinced him he was partaking in a similar game in the movie the "game" and he thought he was gonna land on a big airbag on the hotel from the helicopter and there would be a big party for him. But it was really just a sick game where they just murdered him
I'm from Newton, IA and we got hit super hard. People around here are still financially suffering and have property damage in summer 2022. It was truly a land hurricane and with no warning ahead of time.
I haven't finished the episode yet, but I do remember hearing that the house guest's name was Claudia. Also (not sure if you mention it later on) that there were drag marks on one of the flip flops in addition to the broken strap
This is the 8th time I've listened to this episode. Back yet again. This case is fascinating. I wish you guys would cover similar cases like this one. Or BELLE GUINESS. OR BRITTANY MURPHY. Just wishing & hoping.❤❤❤❤
First of all, I thought that letter was a speech the second I heard it. Consider this: we don’t know how long he’d been trying to be invited into the Freemasons. Maybe he had been accepted at this point. It certainly sounds like it when he refers to his brothers and sisters (like he is part of that family now), as well as when he talks about how much he values “our” secrets, again speaking like he is one of them. The language used may be deep and a little cryptic, but this society goes back ages. It’s not uncommon to use that kind of language, especially in a group that is so exclusive. Also, even though police couldn’t trace the call from Agora to a specific person, he didn’t WORK for them anymore! It seems obvious to me that Porter called him back from a work phone, after receiving the message Ray left him after church the other day. Whatever Ray “figured out” threatened Porter and Porter had something to do with his death that night. I think Porter was part of the Freemasons too perhaps.
YES please do a episode on project blue beam. I am a refugee and very interested in this subject. Thank you so much you guys are the best and congratulations on your baby so stoked for you.
What if he didn’t die and did actually joined the free masons? And the other body was just someone else and everyone was in on it except the family? That explains all the unknown people.
Thank you for talking about the derecho. I’m from Cedar Rapids which was hit the hardest. I just got power back 10 days later. Friends houses literally blew away. We had 10 minutes warning.
I am from Iowa and I just want to say thank you guys for talking about the derecho!! I went up to Cedar Rapids and the devastation is horrible, it is not getting enough attention at all
My mother, my daughter, and myself drove into that derecho on our way back to Iowa from Ohio. It hit us head-on north of Chicago and I swear to God we were in a tornado. I'm not a dramatic person, but it was super scary. At one point everything got dark and shit just started lifting off the ground. We were stopped on a bridge on an interstate in bumper-to-bumper traffic. Police cut off every exit so no one could get off. The semi truck next to us look like it was starting to tip over a couple times. At one point we even felt our own a car start to lift off the ground on the driver side. My 5 year old asks me from the back seat, "mommy, are we going to die?" Of course I said no. But for a minute there, I wasn't sure. After about 20 minutes traffic had moved along far enough we were able to get off the highway and park somewhere safer until it passed. Even still,I didn't realize the gravity of the situation until we got back to Des Moines. Our neighborhood was wrecked. It looked like Mississippi after Katrina in some places. My sister still doesn't have electricity yet, 9 days after. My best friend lost her home in a derecho in Tennessee earlier this year. It's just crazy to me that I've never even heard this word before (my dad is a storm chaser, so I guess I thought I knew everything), and now we have 2 in the US in one year. Blows my mind.
I'm in Illinois, grew up near the Illinois Iowa border. Some of my friends and family have been without electricity for almost a week. The storm happened so fast and it took down so many trees and power lines. My mom has to get a new AC unit and most of her appliances were zapped in the storm too. She's been without air conditioning for 2 weeks in 80 degree heat + high humidity . I also work for crop insurance and we are getting alot of claims coming in due to the damage on corn and soybeans.
I’m so glad y’all decided to cover this case. I really have no clue what happened. the helicopter theory makes sense, but I think the hole would’ve been bigger if he was dropped from such a large height. there’s no way he jumped off the hotel, 45 ft is a crazy amount of distance he would’ve had to go. to me, the 11th floor ledge theory makes the most sense. maybe he was meeting someone (either for work or for the freemasons) in one of those offices or condos, and they pushed him out of an open window. the letter - imo - was his way of introducing himself to the freemasons. I don’t think anyone will figure it out for sure until Porter, his company, or whoever he got the phone call from decides to speak out. the craziest part of the entire case imo is the fact his phone and everything was pretty much fine once he was found - almost none of the theories can explain that.
As soon as Josh discussed "The Derecho", I had flashbacks to southern New Jersey in 2012. We had a "Derecho" hit our area, it was so odd and we ended up without power for over a week. 2012 was a rough year for souithern New Jersey, thanks to Super Storm Hurricane Sandy. Granted, I was home alone for both of these events.
The letters he wrote was explained by his wife. She said he liked writing random things. She said he's a writer first and foremost. And loved to create stories that's why he's jotting down random notes and ideas from time to time, albeit some are weird. That's how writers are, she said.
I love your podcast! Love that fact that Kendall and her cousin are doing laid back show too. I can’t fall asleep unless I listen your videos. Thank you guys so much!!
I remember how excited I was when u guys announced the first podcast (mhp) bc I just kneeew it was gonna be amazing same with lights out and the sesh 🥰
1:24:01 In terms of the physics, just think of an Olympic Diver…it’s incredibly difficult to fall in a vertical position, especially with and forward movement. Imagine being pushed or jumped then he wouldn’t fall straight down. If you were dropped, perhaps having something tied to way him down by the ankles you would fall vertically. Then you go in and remove the weights. Momentum doesn’t line up with falling vertically
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Followed on Spotify I thought I was already but thanks for the reminder
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There’s no way he committed suicide. His friend is definitely shady and has something to do with this!
Completely agree Porter is SO sus
Same!!!! Shady friend for sure. Though, I don’t really agree with the helicopter theory. Don’t you think falling from that height and through a hole, there would be more blood spattered on the ceiling and surrounding the area. I also live next to a children’s hospital that uses a helicopter. You can see it flying and landing on top of the building and it’s LOUD so I don’t really buy that someone trying to murder would want that much attention.
@@manifesting7671 I live near a hospital with helicopter too. I hear it flying by my house daily. Oddly enough both times I was in the hospital to give birth, I never heard it at all! And the windows in the maternity ward face the side where the landing pad is (it's next to the parking lot, not on top of the building). Maybe hospital walls are more soundproof than other buildings? But yes I agree it's too loud to not be noticed at a hotel.
@@manifesting7671 my theory is that he never fell, and he was never up on that rooftop at all. His injuries are consistent with severe beating. It's just that the cops quickly decided it was suicide so they said the injuries must have been from falling from heights.
O yeah 100 percent
I'm so tired of the statement "the security cameras weren't working" in one way or another
A lot of cameras in stores are for show, to discourage shoplifting.... I wouldn't be surprised if they weren't even turned on. More active cameras = higher cost.
We have constant issues with our cameras at our house going offline and not working.
Right like why even have them? It seems like every other murder or disappearance case the cameras dont work, or in the area where the person was just so happened that that section of cameras weren't working.
@@Khous-yg1ur To discourage people from committing a crime thinking the camera is running. The place I worked for a while had one over the register area that our boss found in the trash, didn't even have a plug attached, but people saw it and assumed it worked
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A few years ago I had a psychotic break from meds for my MS. I spent a month in the hospital, but started going crazy a few weeks before I was admitted. I thought I had the answer to the universe and needed to get messages to certain people. It turned into thinking people were watching me, determined to stop me. I’m also a writer ... and thinker. Months after , we’d find little messages written on strips of paper ... taped to things like the back of the garbage bin in the bathroom. I tend to think something more like foul play happened to him because of his end ... but he definitely seems to have had the same tendencies of me in my psychotic break! PS-No more meds ... totally fine now 🤗
Seems possible.
I had the same thoughts, along the same lines when listening to this. That or drugs in general/owing someone for drugs.
You definitely don't have a graduate in Psychology 😂
This is great insight and definitely a good theory. Thanks for sharing your experience! It’s more common than people realize
My mom had a similar experience when she went into psychosis before being diagnosed with bipolar disorder. She thought our house had hidden cameras and we were on mtv, she could literally hear her fans cheering for her when she did things that were out of the ordinary or irrational. I could 100% see this being the case here too, lots of similarities. Lots of paranoia, jumping to conclusions, etc.
BREAKING: Nearly 20 years after 17-year-old Alissa Turney disappeared from Phoenix, Arizona, her stepfather has been arrested and charged with her murder.
What a blessing for Sarah as well as Alissa ♡
Wait what!?! Really!! That's awesome did they find her body?
@@kristinaj3580 no they haven't. Hopefully they do, now that they've made an arrest. Maybe he will talk now.
Yesssss !! I follow Sarah on tiktok and when she announced this the other day I was shocked. She’s worked so hard to bring awareness to her sisters disappearance/death. I’m so so so so happy for her. It’s like someone else wrote in the comments, now that he’s been arrested maybe he’ll finally confess so Sarah can have a little closure !
@@jovonajosephine9975 There's a map of the desert that was mentioned a few times. Maybe they'll find Alissa's body and many more... Who knows how many people used the same place for dropping off bodies?
This case gets me, I keep coming back to it, his wife and family are so lovely I just want answers for them.
You seem like an empath.
It give me just the weirdest vibes. This case. The ONLY thing that makes sense to me is a helicopter
Ok, so instead of him really wanting to join the masons because he liked them and wanted to be part of it. How about he wanted to teach himself just enough to get in so he could make some type of expose film?? Right before he went missing he ordered some equipment, right? He was playing the part with the help of his 'Masons for Dummies' book. He secretly investigated and recorded. They caught on and he was a goner. He was super into film and was being secretive. He knew it was dangerous and he prob had a feeling they were catching on, hence the paranoia with his wife and the puzzling phone calls. The letter was his attempt to get their trust or to save himself? His friend was doing with him, but Porter actually ended up really wanting to join for real. Porter called Rey, told him to meet him for a secret meeting, they were on his helicopter and Rey was then pushed or ordered out. Porter's first sacrifice? The company, the masons, porter they are all together and they killed Rey. Just a thought...i have no idea. LOL i haven't heard of this case before, but very, very interesting! Good video guys!
This is really a very plausible hypothesis, really like how you connected all the dots!
@@AProdigyvision Thank you!! You just made my day, lol.
Very interesting theory, I was thinking along the same lines. Except maybe his best friend actually was a mason already as well as some of the police officers involved
@@Laura-fh3sc thank you and I agree with you. I was just watching more videos on on Rey's case and there were a few more details that would point in that direction for sure!
Damn that makes sense
Anyone else find it weird af Rey’s “Bestfriend” refused to speak with police ..
Didn’t he also lawyer up real quick?
And that he has a helicopter 🤔🧐
@@xg3400 I'm pretty sure he did and the whole company was legally bound to not talk to anyone
Yesssssssssss
Geez Louise id be interested to know if there were any landing pads near the hotel bc that would make a lot more sense considering where he landed and the fact that there is no evidence of him entering the hotel
kendall thirsting over the rivera brothers and josh just giggling has me weak as hell
My step father was / is a free mason. I say was / is because he started to act very paranoid & strange like this... He left our family about 7 years ago and we have not heard of or from him since.
Wow
Chloe Brewer omg! What if what happened to Rey happened to him too? Has anyone in his family spoke with him at all?
Really? That's crazy.
WHAAAAAT?!?!?
That's insane!! I'm sorry
tell us more
When Kendall said spicy all I thought about was the sound they have on the sesh “Spiiicyyy” 🌶 Lol 😂
Me too !! 🤣🤣
Me too!!
lol same!
Me too!!
Girl same !! 😂💕
The letter is not a suicide letter... Its a speech. He was aceppted to the secret sociaty and that was his speech. And he was introducing himself (favorite movies ...).
Excellent point. I was thinking when he text Porter "I finally got it all figured out" he was talking about finding a way to join. But he could also have been reffing to the note/speech
I totally agree, it sounds like it. But I also think that the message "I finnaly figured it out" could be about Portrer scamming people.Maybe he was trying to figure out what is going on with the company and when he told Porter he figured it out, he killed him. Hes deffinetly sketchy as fuck, he didnt even want to help police and its supposed to be his "best friend"
This is a mix between Masonic and what the book “the secret” It’s how they teach you to ask for what you want. Like some sort laws of attraction
Good theory!!
That's what I was thinking!!
Thank you for talking about Iowa's storm!! The devastation is crazy. It was the scariest moment of my life when 100+ mph winds started shaking my house and trees started falling all around me. So many of my friends and family are on day 9 without power and water.
I’m from Iowa too and it was terrifying
I’m from Wisconsin and that storm hit us too but NOTHING like what you guys experienced. I couldn’t even handle hearing the tornado sirens go off as I witnessed the winds pick up. I can’t even imagine what you all went through and are still going through. I’m so sorry to hear that your friends and family are still without! I hope better days are near for you all!
Omg this is terrifying! Sending loads of positive energy!!
I’m from Iowa and if the city wouldn’t have cut the tree behind my apartment building about 2 weeks prior, it would have went straight through my bedroom window while I was sleeping. Definitely really terrifying
That's really terrifying to even think about, but having to experience it is even more terrifying. I hope that everyone in Iowa are staying safe! 🙏
Thank you for talking about the disaster that happened in Iowa. It blows my mind that no one is talking about it more, love my home state and love you guys 🤍
I already listened to it on Spotify but I am going to again. This case is crazy as hell. I have no idea what happened
It’s so mysterious 😣
girl same
I don’t remember the Netflix show mentioning much about the Freemasons. Probably because they’re owned by them or something . They just skim right over it like it’s not significant . Lame 😒
I remember it being mentioned on Netflix, along with his weird letter possibly being related to them
Right I wanted them to talk more on the subject 🙄
should have been a full Netflix doco rather than a 45 minute episode
Sterling M yes but in my opinion , skimmed over it when they should’ve talked more about it is what I’m trying to say
I'm wondering if the best friend was also a mason, as well as the police officer running the case.
And fyi Rey was terrified of heights. So jumping that high doesn't make sense
But neither does asking to stay in his friends top level condo then
@@uponamidnightdreary right it's so confusing
Neither does even being on the roof as someone also scared of heights
@@ShopwithSarah right? They already said that.
When he mentioned the movie The Game, I literally lost it. *spoilers* at the end of the movie, the main character jumps off a building into the annex below.... WTF
woah
I think that letter he left behind holds all of the answers. We just haven’t been able to decipher it or we have but the authorities won’t look more into it . That porter guy definitely has something to do with it and so does the company for sure . Especially after the gag order .
I think so too. I think the "speech" is
some kind of code. He was a screenwriter so he was very creative with words.
Right? Cuz he said Porter wins or something like that. Seems like hes the one who did it.
Maybe the houseguest put it there
I agree
@@britnysnyder4991 ang said Porter gets to pick his prize
Maybe he wrote the letter in code to go along with the "dummies" book in hopes his family could piece together the clues...?
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I'm glad I'm not the only pregnant lady addicted to true crime 😂👍
Lmao you guys. The poor baby probably thinks Kendall & Josh are mum&dad 🤣🤣
Your baby is going to be fuuuckdd up in the head.
I was just wishing that I had a new episode to watch! My anxiety has been crazy this week and I'm so glad that I have this to fall back on. Listening to both of you is always so calming! I love each of your podcasts! The sesh, Lights out, even your normal youtube videos are so peaceful to me.
Same xx
The house guest was his wife’s friend.
Darlaa BP Yes exactly! It was said on Netflix and Stefanie Harlowe’s channel that she was a friend of Allison’s. She had nothing to do with his death.
I honestly don't know how they couldn't have found that out. Seems like a really lazily done episode to me
Her name is Claudia and she's from New York!
@@Taywanee They didn't hit on a lot of easily found info in this one. Usually they're on point, so I'm hoping the fact checking in this episode is a fluke.
@@biancae6228 I saw on reddit that's not her real name. But Im not sure
This is on Netflix I feel like something was going within the company
I saw this too on Netflix
Yes! His friend from the company seems very sketch city. He found something out about the company and started asking questions to the wrong people. And they had him killed. In my opinion anyway...
Do you know the name of the show on Netflix? Sounds interesting!
@@xagen268 Unsolved Mysteries - episode: "Mystery on the Rooftop"
Am so glad am not the only one who thinks the company and his so called best friend look fishy no one Lawers up so one can talk he was ment to be his best friend
I do not think he committed suicide. That doesn't make sense from any angle to me.
How is it that untrained citizens thought of the “dropped from a helicopter” theory and law enforcement didn’t? You don’t even need a warrant to look up ATC data, there’s dozens of websites and software. You just need time/date and the number in which the aircraft is registered under (I assume). Hopefully, someone who’s knowledgeable does an in-depth investigation because I know this case can be solved. I’m thinking Ray joined a society for protection bc his no good friend was threatening him and his wife. Ray probably discovered the business was a pyramid scheme or doing shady business of some sort.
The company WAS doing shady stuff. Porter was involved in all kinds of lawsuits
Porter had a private helicopter
@@emilymyers1095 private or not you can't just fly around .... You have to call in. There has to be record of it . If there was an unknown helicopter flying around it would have been looked into the second it hit the sky. I have no idea how no one noticed anything...that's why I think the helicopter theory is not true in my opinion.
This podcast was absolutely amazing! I really love learning about Freemasons and their links to things. Can you guys do an entire episode on them??? I also really loved in the beginning of the podcasts when you guys covered the 5 families. Is it possible for you guys to do something similar with hugely influential and rich people? Love ya both and keep up the amazing work!
just a quick note Alyssa Turney's dad was arrested for the murder of Alyssa
YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hooray!!!!!!
Yes it was her stepdad. How sad, but good news at the same time.
Ok but we need a podcast on Alonzo Brooks’ case from that series too. Would love to hear y’all’s opinions on that one too.
Was that the teenager that disappeared from a farmhouse party?
Jessica Jade yes!
HELL YEAH NEED THAT ONE
She did it just recently, see it yet?
@@queenbea9141 yess! I was so glad she covered it!
They know who the house guest is ! It was her work friend ! I love your podcast and RUclips videos ! Y’all are my fav.
Saw this case on unsolved mysteries, and I've wondered if possibly he was killed beforehand and whoever did it threw his body off the top of the roof to hide it/get rid of it. This could possibly explain the inconsistent break in his shins, if he was already deceased, I would imagine it would be easier for his body to fall straight down like a projectile. If say 2 or more people worked together and threw his body off with enough force, maybe that would explain how his body landed so far out from the roof. Also with his body having been decomposing for several days before he was found, possible evidence of him being killed in some other fashion before being thrown from the roof could have been destroyed. Just a theory, not sure how realistic this is.
Exactly my thoughts
Maybe his shins were broken from having a car driven towards him. If I remember correctly there was a car park on of the upper levels of the building. If a car was driven towards him at speed the force could propel his body to land further than expected.
Fifi Jabs I thought the same thing! If both shins were broken horizontally it would more likely be from a bumper on a vehicle then a fall
I also think this.. i think the helicopter is too far fetched
@Fifi Jabs You might be onto something holy mackeral!
Yes I thought I heard Josh mention this.
@@leahlewis2490 helicopter WAS seen hovering around that area that night!
I'm so early! I love listening to all three of the podcasts yall offer. Thanks for keeping me semi sane during lock down. Been watching yall from day one. Love from California
Hey I totally love these two , so I would love it if they would do a podcast on Malcolm X so please like this enough so they see it 💜💜💜😥
This case is so interesting I'm so glad you're covering it!!
i know in my soul that Porter killed him or hired someone to kill him, maybe he didn’t deliver the push but i just know Porter is responsible
How u b knowin that
I don't think he killed him or hired someone but I think he knows something. I have a feeling that he's afraid of the people who did it and that they're powerful people. Maybe even clients of his that he knows have heavy influence and could just very well kill him too so he shut everyone up.
I actually saw that episode and was like so that’s it ???? I felt like no there has to be more
I'm kind of suspicious of the friends that found the hole in the Belvedere. It was a small hole, barely noticeable. It could be that they felt guilty and wanted his body to be found so they decided to "discover" it.
Ur right
Agree
I live in Iowa and we haven’t had power for almost 2 weeks and a whole tree fell into our yard and our fence blew away
Stay safe!!
That's terrible. I am from California, where we have an intense heat wave where we have rolling blackouts. But, it is nothing compared to what is happening in Iowa.
I hope you and your family stay safe! 🙏
What can we do to draw attention to this crisis & help you all?
Omg really I love in Iowa but I didn’t lose power
Stay safe
It’s insane to me that my mom knew this guy when they were in high school. It just made that unsolved mystery episode so much more impactful, you know?
Honestly for some reason I had always thought the hole was already there. I don’t know how no one noticed a hole but it seems really odd to me that a person would create a hole in the roof of a building. Also if someone was falling from a high area(especially if they could possibly be dead before the fall) how would they stay completely vertical to go through the roof that way? I definitely don’t know a lot about physics either so I don’t know how that would all work. Just my thoughts.
Thank you so much for mentioning Iowa. Nobody ever talks about us. I personally had a tree fall into my house and my car is totaled and I am struggling financially now. It means a lot to hear you guys talk about it!
i hope things work out for you soon! )':
Sending good vibes💕
Leja thanks hun!❤️
Miranda thank you so much!!
Amén hallelujah! I can now happily clean my house 🏠
Thank you milehigher
i find it strange that all of the evidence the family found by chance. like the car and the hole. just kinda weird
And the note! Like police didn’t find any of it
The family did not find the hole, it was 3 of his workmates
I'd agree, but the police weren't looking for anything..
Well the company next to the room where he was found, they were complaining about a smell too
I saw this on Unsolved Mysteries and it seriously has left me speechless. It’s so intriguing; I hope for the family’s sake, it gets solved no matter how long it takes detectives.
The house guest was Allison’s either friend or coworker I forgot which one, she also said ray said “oh shit” or something along those lines before leaving in a hurry
her co-worker and her name is Claudia
Yep and it’s super strange to me that she was the last person to see/hear him but nobody knows anything about her.
In the Netflix documentary, Allison says Claudia "was a colleague", but she doesn't specify if she meant Claudia was her colleague or Rey's colleague. She probably meant Claudia was her colleague, but we can't be certain without clarification.
Lol when he said “thirsty” and Kendall was like “wtf”😂😂😂😂😂
In the Netflix documentary his wife explains who the house guest was. She says her name was Claudia and she was a colleague of hers. I think Kendal and Josh going on so much about how strange it is that they didn’t know who the house guest was it weird because this whole case was made big again on Netflix and rays wife explained who she was in this documentary!
Yeah I found that weird, I feel like they didn't really watch the episode and may have just done this episode to hop onto the hype train. Kinda disappointed in this episode ngl.
I think it’s weird you would have women colleague stay with your husband if your not home. She didn’t say friend she said colleague. I wouldn’t let a women who am not friends with stay in my home with my husband.
keri De Almeida I feel like then that’s a personal problem! Every relationship is different, personally would I let a female colleague stay in my house? Ya sure! If she needed somewhere to stay. And for 1 or 2 nights I wasn’t going to be there? Why not? I trust my husband and it wouldn’t even come into my mind that he was going to cheat on me at the first chance he got! And if for some reason she advanced on him I would trust he wouldn’t allow it and ask her to leave! I don’t think that the woman ‘ Claudia ‘ is the weird part I think it’s strange that Kendal and josh didn’t know who she was when it says it in the documentary
Claudia Rowland It’s not a personal problem if she was my friend that is different this was a colleague. A colleague vs a friend is a big difference.
The Houseguest was a friend/ colleague of Alison named Claudia. She was clearly mentioned in the unsolved mysteries episode and was ruled out/ co-operate with police I believe. Not used to you guys missing that kind of information..
I notice them missing information like that often.
Yes. They missed a lot of info in many episodes.
I thought this too when watching. It was made very clear that she was the wife's work colleague.
Ive actually slightly had that “Truman Delusion” when I was younger!!!!! Because so many small coincidences would happen in my life and I felt like people could almost hear my thoughts or I would know what would happen next. Those thoughts sometimes still happen to me I would be like “tf, what if people are actually watching me rn, though” but seriously not just as a trippy thought and this was before I even watched the movie I LOVE THE TRUMAN SHOW
I get this all the time too
We were in this storm...it was so bizarre!!!! We stood outside as it rolled in and things literally went from 0-10 in a matter of seconds. In addition, our neighbors all seemed to have major damage/power outages/etc.... my backyard looked untouched and we did not loose power. I have a small patch of corn stalks that I thought for sure would be blown down, but they weren't. Again, this was a very strange storm.
Rey Rivera case starts at 15:14
Rey's "best friend" knows more than what he's saying....
Am I the only one that has always thought it’s weird that the friends even went to the roof at all to look?? If my friend went missing I wouldn’t go to the roof of the hotel next door to look for my friend? Just weird.
They found his car there and look up prob
I’ve watched a load of people cover Rey’s case and it wasn’t until I’m watching this one that it’s struck me as odd to go up to the roof. I was looking for this comment
@@LaLuna82 it makes no sense. At all.
Omg!!!! I've had a stressful morning and I needed this to clear my head while kids have lunch and naptime😍😍
Justice for Rey 🙏🏽 that was no suicide and plenty is being covered up here. RIP
i saw a really interesting theory that rey’s death was an initiation/hazing, into the free masons, that went wrong. the theory talks about how they brought him to the roof and told him to jump to prove his loyalty, not thinking he’d do it, but then he actually did (hence the run and jump that would cover the 45 ft)... it doesn’t explain the weird shin injuries, but i still think it’s interesting.
My grandpa was a free mason. My family always had so much pride describing him being in it! That being part of the free masons was extraordinary and a very high honor. My mom (his daughter in law) described him as highly intelligent and a very prominent member of the community. My grandpa died of a heart attack when I was 6 months old…. But, both my parents seemed to brag and love the idea that he was part of it. He was also a high member of the Shriners which is part of the free masonry. They said he did a lot of good and helped a lot of people through his membership.
Although I'd like to believe the paranormal aspect, I'm more inclined to believe that humans are the more vicious kind. Porter, the best friend, did it or knew something. He immediately lawyered up. Didn't even reach out to Rey's family knowing his best friend died. That alone made him guilty.
Easy to assume that but he was in the middle of an SEC investigation and did not want any public attention about his business. I mean for sure he was lacking compassion and care not putting his missing friend first and the cheap 1000 dollar reward but I can see the rationale for him wanting to keep his fraudulent business out of the papers.
Getting a lawyer is the right thing to do if the police ever want to talk to you about anything serious, guilty or not.
As someone from Iowa, thank you so much for covering the derecho!! So so many people are still without power, food, water and shelter. The more coverage the better! Iowans have been coming together to help each other but we need all the help we can get.
OMG We call those STRAIGHT WINDS in Minnesota!!!!! I've lived through a couple up there in my life and they are just as terrifying as a tornado. I still remember the last one I experienced and it took down this massive and old tree across the front of this insanely old houses yard, barely missing their house, and my friends porch was crushed by his tree that completely fell over..roots and all sticking up in the air...friggin crazy dudes!!! ...I have seen some INSANE damage from these winds! THIS IS WHY WE HAVE BASEMENTS!!!!!!
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Coming from someone from east-central Illinois, thank you for covering the storm! There wasn't much coverage other than local coverage, and while in my area we got the least of the impact, even we were out of power, internet, cell service, and there were tons of trees and limbs that had fallen. There were trees ripped from the ground in the northern suburbs and power lines down for days
YESSSSSS please please do an episode on project Blue Beam, I have heard of it and i am so interested in learning more
This case FASCINATED me! I'm so glad you're covering it!
The broken shins remind me of torture where they basically break your shins so you can't get away, so I'm thinking they broke his shins before he "jumped" or was thrown off. I feel like he was dead before he was sadly disposed of.
I was sitting here trying to figure out what I want in the background while I get some work done and now I’m STOKED! y’all make my life better I swear
I believe it was suicide. His odd behaviour leading up to it sounded like he was having some sort of paranoid delusions. I wonder they ever tested wether someone could have fell through that space from all angels using dummies or some sort of science. Great podcast and story.
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What about a crane that's something that if it was around could go unnoticed if construction was happening around that time. After they kill Rey they use a crane to put a hole in the building. This is after they have staged the entire thing on the ground to make it look like he fell through. Might sound crazy but I mean it's an option.
Fun fact: I'm actually related to Christopher Reeve believe it or not! He was related distantly but it's still kinda cool to know that I'm related to the original superman✌🏻
Actually he wasn't the original Superman. Two other men played Superman before Christopher Reeve, but I liked Christopher Reeve a lot. He was Superman when I was a kid.
I normally get a gut feeling or can agree with a theory about what happened to the victim in true crime cases, but this one has me completely stumped. I truly have no idea what could have happened. It’s just so bizarre. Each theory just leaves me with more questions. I do think Porter is suspicious and knows more then he’s letting on. I hope this case gets a big push from the Unsolved Episode and people talking about it.
OMG THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT MY HOME AND IOWA!! 😫🥰❤️ we are STILL cleaning up and STILL have people without power! 😔
And YES this type of storm has NEVER happened before! Tornadoes? Yes of course, we stand outside and watch but a hurricane in Iowa? Um no! And our local news just said today the winds were found to be 140mph! 🤦🏼♀️
I remember this from Netflix. I'm glad you guy's covered this story.
I LOVE Mile Higher, I LOVE The Sesh, and I LOVE Lights Out!! I always have one playing on my phone!!
I’m trying to figure out how his friends knew exactly where to fly the drone and why a hole in the roof made them send police to check it out... that seems like they had more info then they’re letting in on.
That what I’ve always said.. if my friend was missing I would never think hey let’s check the roof of the hotel downtown? It makes no sense.
Its very clear his job and his best friend know something, suprised nobody has spoken out
“Thirsty over here!” Bahahaha
You guys are so funny. 😂
Just now watching this episode... I'm from Iowa and live in an area that was affected by the derecho. It's nice to see you guys giving attention to that storm. I actually was driving home when it started, but stopped to stay at a friend's to wait it out cause I had my children with me. It was scary!
Would his body even gain enough speed to go through the metal roof vertical by jumping from the ledge or roof? I think a helicopter or small plane was evolved and someone put his car there after he was pushed or jumped out after being tortured for information by breaking his leg(s).
He could've jumped himself to be sure they would find his body. Knowing they were planning to drop him in the ocean?
After taking the car away from the airport and parking the car at the hotel, the person(s) went on the roof of the parking garage and threw his other belongings on it not damaging them enough. The reason for that is to make it look like a normal suicide. Too much of his personal belongings missing would be suspicious.
The hidden letter was his freemason acceptance speech, the reason he went to the helicopter/plane in such a hurry. Unfortunately, it was a trick to get him vulnerable and alone, knowing his interest and motivation to get in this society would get him out of his house. And the reason for all of this? Maybe he found out something about the company he worked for. Most likely about money.
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There’s no doubt that he was dead before he was thrown down the hole. There were entirely too many injuries to his body & even shoes that are consistent with a violent assault. Also the fact that the police got so bent is an Enormous red flag.
What? I wastched several videos on this case and never heard that the car was at the airport. I thought he drove it himself from home to the hotel parking lot.
When Kendall said spicy topics, I was like spysay!!! Like the sound board 😂😂
UM YEAH WE NEED A BLUE BEAM EPISODE
Have they done a episode about DMT the "Machine Elves" drug?
Steve Guzman I’m not sure what machine elves is but they did cover DMT in a podcast, it’s number 75!
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I think someone (parker)convinced him he was partaking in a similar game in the movie the "game" and he thought he was gonna land on a big airbag on the hotel from the helicopter and there would be a big party for him. But it was really just a sick game where they just murdered him
I'm from Newton, IA and we got hit super hard. People around here are still financially suffering and have property damage in summer 2022. It was truly a land hurricane and with no warning ahead of time.
I haven't finished the episode yet, but I do remember hearing that the house guest's name was Claudia. Also (not sure if you mention it later on) that there were drag marks on one of the flip flops in addition to the broken strap
This is the 8th time I've listened to this episode. Back yet again. This case is fascinating. I wish you guys would cover similar cases like this one. Or BELLE GUINESS. OR BRITTANY MURPHY. Just wishing & hoping.❤❤❤❤
First of all, I thought that letter was a speech the second I heard it. Consider this: we don’t know how long he’d been trying to be invited into the Freemasons. Maybe he had been accepted at this point. It certainly sounds like it when he refers to his brothers and sisters (like he is part of that family now), as well as when he talks about how much he values “our” secrets, again speaking like he is one of them. The language used may be deep and a little cryptic, but this society goes back ages. It’s not uncommon to use that kind of language, especially in a group that is so exclusive. Also, even though police couldn’t trace the call from Agora to a specific person, he didn’t WORK for them anymore! It seems obvious to me that Porter called him back from a work phone, after receiving the message Ray left him after church the other day. Whatever Ray “figured out” threatened Porter and Porter had something to do with his death that night. I think Porter was part of the Freemasons too perhaps.
YES please do a episode on project blue beam. I am a refugee and very interested in this subject. Thank you so much you guys are the best and congratulations on your baby so stoked for you.
What if he didn’t die and did actually joined the free masons? And the other body was just someone else and everyone was in on it except the family? That explains all the unknown people.
Thank you for talking about the derecho. I’m from Cedar Rapids which was hit the hardest. I just got power back 10 days later. Friends houses literally blew away. We had 10 minutes warning.
I get so excited when I see my notification go off for mile higher ❤️
me too!
I am from Iowa and I just want to say thank you guys for talking about the derecho!! I went up to Cedar Rapids and the devastation is horrible, it is not getting enough attention at all
My mother, my daughter, and myself drove into that derecho on our way back to Iowa from Ohio. It hit us head-on north of Chicago and I swear to God we were in a tornado. I'm not a dramatic person, but it was super scary. At one point everything got dark and shit just started lifting off the ground. We were stopped on a bridge on an interstate in bumper-to-bumper traffic. Police cut off every exit so no one could get off. The semi truck next to us look like it was starting to tip over a couple times. At one point we even felt our own a car start to lift off the ground on the driver side. My 5 year old asks me from the back seat, "mommy, are we going to die?" Of course I said no. But for a minute there, I wasn't sure. After about 20 minutes traffic had moved along far enough we were able to get off the highway and park somewhere safer until it passed. Even still,I didn't realize the gravity of the situation until we got back to Des Moines. Our neighborhood was wrecked. It looked like Mississippi after Katrina in some places. My sister still doesn't have electricity yet, 9 days after. My best friend lost her home in a derecho in Tennessee earlier this year. It's just crazy to me that I've never even heard this word before (my dad is a storm chaser, so I guess I thought I knew everything), and now we have 2 in the US in one year. Blows my mind.
That had to be so scary. I'm glad you all made it out safely. I've never heard that word before either.
I'm in Illinois, grew up near the Illinois Iowa border. Some of my friends and family have been without electricity for almost a week. The storm happened so fast and it took down so many trees and power lines. My mom has to get a new AC unit and most of her appliances were zapped in the storm too. She's been without air conditioning for 2 weeks in 80 degree heat + high humidity . I also work for crop insurance and we are getting alot of claims coming in due to the damage on corn and soybeans.
I’m so glad y’all decided to cover this case. I really have no clue what happened. the helicopter theory makes sense, but I think the hole would’ve been bigger if he was dropped from such a large height. there’s no way he jumped off the hotel, 45 ft is a crazy amount of distance he would’ve had to go. to me, the 11th floor ledge theory makes the most sense. maybe he was meeting someone (either for work or for the freemasons) in one of those offices or condos, and they pushed him out of an open window. the letter - imo - was his way of introducing himself to the freemasons. I don’t think anyone will figure it out for sure until Porter, his company, or whoever he got the phone call from decides to speak out. the craziest part of the entire case imo is the fact his phone and everything was pretty much fine once he was found - almost none of the theories can explain that.
As soon as Josh discussed "The Derecho", I had flashbacks to southern New Jersey in 2012. We had a "Derecho" hit our area, it was so odd and we ended up without power for over a week. 2012 was a rough year for souithern New Jersey, thanks to Super Storm Hurricane Sandy. Granted, I was home alone for both of these events.
The letters he wrote was explained by his wife. She said he liked writing random things. She said he's a writer first and foremost. And loved to create stories that's why he's jotting down random notes and ideas from time to time, albeit some are weird. That's how writers are, she said.
She said his thoughts were organized, not at all like what was found. Those were his favorite movies etc.
I love your podcast! Love that fact that Kendall and her cousin are doing laid back show too. I can’t fall asleep unless I listen your videos. Thank you guys so much!!
I remember how excited I was when u guys announced the first podcast (mhp) bc I just kneeew it was gonna be amazing same with lights out and the sesh 🥰
1:24:01 In terms of the physics, just think of an Olympic Diver…it’s incredibly difficult to fall in a vertical position, especially with and forward movement. Imagine being pushed or jumped then he wouldn’t fall straight down. If you were dropped, perhaps having something tied to way him down by the ankles you would fall vertically. Then you go in and remove the weights. Momentum doesn’t line up with falling vertically