Who Killed the Night? | DJ Annie Mac on the Death of Club Culture
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Annie Mac tackles the death of UK club culture. Half of the UK's clubs have closed in the last 10 years and Annie wants to know why. On her journey, she meets the founder of Boiler Room, Director of Fabric London and the CEO of Oceana.
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I grew up in a time where the UK club scene went ballistic. Crasher, Gods, Slinky, Sundissential, Sankeys, Fabric, Turnmills, The End, The Monastery (torquay - such a hidden gem). Little fellas were 3 for a tenner and everyone was loved up to the max. It was seriously the best time ever. Looking at "clubs" and "music" nowadays, it isnt remotely close to the same level. Go into a club now and people judge you as soon as you walk through the door if you dont have sleeve tattoos and havent taken at least 200 selfies by the time you have walked through the door. Fuck that. Around the Millennium, you could get lost on a dancefloor and come out with at least 10 new friends each night you went out.
Adrian Whittaker my friend Shady Lady used to play at The Monastry 😊
I started going out in 2000 and feel grabbed the tail end of an amazing time. Like you say nothing like it was. Few big nights techno's minimal and dropped the tempo, everyone's smashing ketamine. Jobs fucked
So true. I’m 30, so I came up a decade or two too late. Even back in 2010-2014 when I was pretty young I knew something was off and wrong with nightlife. It’s completely changed and I missed out on the good stuff.
God I wish I could have partied in London and Berlin from the early 90’s - mid 00’s.
That is such a great comment.
Agree 💯 those were amazing times... Height of Rome psbly... 🤔👏
Why should it be down to the powers that be to provide clubbing? She seems to forget that this whole thing started in the UK as illegal raves in 88/89, and was commercialised in the early 90s. All we are seeing, is a move away from the commercial clubs by investors. The kids who do their own illegal raves are doing the right thing; this is exactly how it was back in the late 80s...
You make a brilliant point, the whole appeal was the underground element to it, this music never belonged in the mainstream.
We need raves !!!!!
@@thebutchalmighty would rather go to a free party then a nightclub any night out
@@Lamilton82828 To be fair the best clubs are great places. The problem is that they're few and far between. In southern England outside of London, Bristol and Brighton there is pretty much nothing with a few notable exceptions such as an excellent wee club in Guildford.
A club isn't going to make much money when everyone is on drugs and doesn't drink, the door fee or CD's isn't going to pay for it for very long. I think the so called 'death' of the club scene isn't really as bad as it sounds, there's a brilliant underground scene going on. Think of how many festivals there are in the UK now compared to 15 years ago, that's where the djs, the party and of course all the money has gone.
Boom Shank There's no underground anymore, everything is part of the mainstream now.
@Edvin1011 guys don't even approach girls anymore so what's the difference?
The music died, and the dancers.. Not the clubs.. in the 90's music was made by people in their bedrooms, in garages, it was vibrant, fast evolving, and made by the people that danced.
Now it is made by algorythm.
Todays generation don't go out in public and let their hair down due to the advent of mobile cameras in every single persons hand, combined with compromising video, audio of off the cuff drunk comments, and a social system that destroys anyone for something they said or did 10 years ago. Last time I went I saw a emoty dance floor, where people would walk up to it, pose for a big selfie shot with all their frends as "if" they were clubbing, then sit down with and chat.
You can't embrace nirvana if you are checking whose looking.
Hear hear! I started clubbing in 91 and you could really lose yourself in a vibe shared with total strangers. It's a new generation now and they have a different attitude. It's all about how other people perceive you nowadays. At the venue itself and on social media, while the beauty of the early days was that nobody really cared. If ever I've experienced inclusiveness it was then, not now with people trying to rub it in.
"All over Instagram" is the exact, precise & polar opposite from the "Faceless Techno Bollocks" where it all began. Put your phone in your bag and your hands in the air!
Not just clubs but vast majority of pubs have been shut down also. Councils refuse to renew licences if a pub or club has incidences even outside the building. Also smoking ban and expensive prices also has killed the night scenes
gangam style :D macarena, feel sorry for those people
Best DJ Agency that’s every town in the uk unfortunately it’s a complete joke piss head music
I remember going to sidewinder and the coach was to be there for 6am n didnt turn up till 8am, it was freezing when we came out and had to huddle in a doorway like penguins with my friends, the coach turned up and the driver said 'sorry i overslept'. The only reason he did not get knock out was because no one else could drive a coach but it was one of the best nights out i've had.
The state is responsible, the high taxes and regulations doesn't make pubs and clubs profitable anymore.
In the early 1990s in the upper midwestern United States, while at university living in Minneapolis, I would drive to Chicago and Madison - Detroit was too far, but it was a completely authentic, experience in all three of those cities - I felt so at home at those little clubs, First Avenue had a couple of great weekly dance nights, I loved standing next to the d.j.; no lights, a few screens, all black and grimey, dark and nothing made you feel like you didn’t belong ;91’ 92’ - it died a quick death by 93’ everyone and their brother showed up, the dudes and bros, the music started sucking big time, I hated it...it was great while it lasted
It's coming back don't worry. Good story 🤗
fabric reopening is like a loved one coming back from a major stroke or a stud racehorse recovering from a broken leg
It's all gone Pete Tong!!
In my opinion there is virtually nothing nightclubwise in the south of England outside London, Bristol and Brighton.
0:57- 'why are our clubs closing' - The answers in her hand
Anywhere I can find a track list for this? There's a few tunes in there I need in my life.
gangnam style
High Contrast
Edge Records No 5 - Compnded
As clubs close others open, the whole scene is in a constant state of flux, this is not something to worry about, life finds a way.
When I was in London I was shocked how much the clubbing sucked. You should learn from Berlin. It is embarrassing that one of the centres of the world does not have clubs running 24/7. At least from friday to monday.
A combination of things have caused the decline, the clubbing music used to chart a lot, it rarely does now as it's dominated by hip hop, R n' B, Little Mix, Ed Sheeran or Ariana Grande, so the late night bars only tend to play the hip hop or 'party tunes' because the management want the numbers in. Late licences for a majority of bars, pubs mean people don't want to pay entry fees into 'clubs'. It's similar for the Rock Scene as well as weekend nights have ceased in areas of the midlands. Sad Really as the groove, the pulse and energy made it so fun back in the late 90s to mid 00s
fucking hell that peterborough club looked dire
definite party material I didn't mind it. Yes, it's old fashioned but it has a charm about it. Could be a cute night out, no stress.
It's shit innit. Reminds me of the crap we have in South East Kent
Festivals are the main reason. Some people would rather pay to see a couple of festivals a year than regular clubbing. Clubs are closing but theres quite a few illegal smaller scale raves popping up. Bigger clubs are closing due to drugs deaths in the UK.
she should talk about whats going on in dublin too seeing as shes from here and the place is gone to shit
Her show helped kill it, period. Pandering to the Mollie's and Henry's of the world, these multi genre student nights with the candy shop flyer design and taking away the purist element is what helped kill it.
Rave culture and club culture can be totally different culture
I can tell you the issue in the US.They price out the people who want to go and have fun and the quality for the price you pay is virtually nothing especially when all the clubs close at 2 AM in my city.
Boiler Room.... A bunch of people holding beer.... staring at a dj.
With suuuper boring music most of the time
We need to bring back acid-house !!!💊
Don't want to ruin the current amount of thumbs up - 303 - so won't give one.
Edinburgh situation looks pretty much the same.
The massive white (pill shaped) elephant in the room in this documentary is drugs. So it's a pretty naff conversation to have of you don't talk about drugs. Pills in the late 2000's disappeared and were shit. Councils clamped down massively on drugs (like Fabric) and like it or not, ecstacy is synonymous with rave / club culture.
This isn't fit to be called a "documentary". The main reason clubs are struggling is because of regulations and taxes, yet she does very little here to address it or challenge those who are behind it.
It's London's club scene thats dead. Nottingham has about 6 different very good clubs within like a 4 mile radius which in my opinion is more good clubs than the whole of London has!
What are your favourites in Nottingham?
mine is stealth
Joe de Max 100% Ink on a Friday, pryzm on a tuesday and Bowery on a thursday
to be fair even in dublin this year were loosing our two biggest clubs and our only club thats even near the level of clubs like fabric etc
to make room for hotels
clubbing in berlin is booming?
you dont say
Fixed Face the spiritual home of techno.
Bashments the reason lots of us stopped going. Just brought in the pond life. No thanks
The Sanctuary & Bagleys home of "Ardcore"
Honestly I think it's all down to not being able to afford a night out that often in certain areas, and the music choices.
Good start Annie - Garage music was invented in America!! People have died taking drugs on a night out for over 50 years, so I doubt its just that. Leah Betts died in 95, and that didnt stop 'modern' clubbing. Maybe its just because clubs arent making money any more because people cant be bothered to go out and see the same old generic shit played out by shit DJs? You know Annie - the kind of shit you play, plastic generic EDM stuff, and really bad music dressed up as 'cutting edge'.
lol calm down mate she means uk garage. wouldn't really have a go at annie, even if its not to your apparently flawless taste (its not my cup of tea either) but youve still got to respect the fact that she's still one of the countries leading influencers when it comes to electronic music
Cool as a cucumber mate. Well that's the point isn't it..... if she's influential, she's part of the problem. Hitler was influential, doesn't mean I have to respect him.
This program has jumped straight to the end of the line, and is trying to pin it on some exterior force outside the music industry. It's passing the blame. If clubbing and dance music isn't profitable anymore then it is has to look introspectively. It started when the music Industry shot itself in the foot by being apathetic towards downloading, filesharing and streaming. There was never enough collective effort put into organisations like AIM. Creating music was written off as a loss leader, it became no longer economically viable for artists to put any effort into creating quality product, and it was assumed that all money would be recouped in live performance. It killed the producer. Hence why we now have a whole generation of charlatans churning out thoughtless rubbish as quick as they can (some of it even being ghostwritten!!) to then just ponce about on stage behind some CDJs, not even learning how to mix. It's more about cool hairstyles, clothing and branding, even models have become DJs and somehow get Ibiza residencies. It's shallow and superficial, and its perpetual.
A whole generation of kids grew up getting their music for free, and now everybody wonders why they can't make any money in the clubs either - because the industry facilitated this 'everything for nothing' generation and whilst it worked for a while I think the consumer is now waking up to the fact that the shit that is being peddled is is exactly that...shit.
nightlife and recorded music are separate entities though. as dead as all the boring tech-house/edm stuff that's floating about is, events putting that stuff on still sell well. you can't say it's down to music policies why clubs within certain niches are failing. the mainstream clubs like the first one, yeah, are failing to adapt to a younger generation with more diverse tastes and they're relying on scraping the bottom of the barrel of nightlife culture with drinks deals and celebrity appearances being their main selling point and the music definitely taking a back seat there. clubs like that i can see failing to bring in customers because it's literally insulting to most peoples concept of clubbing but there's an audience for all this other music (not saying i'm a fan of all of it specifically)
steveehardcore Leah betts died at a house party I think
No one dances, people are so self-aware and in their heads all the time. There's the occasional rave, but people still have to be fucked up on drugs to let go... also, it's a boring generation, I know it's a bit easy to say, but it's true. But hey! Let's do the 'Macarena'.
"If I'm watching a rapper, I don't want to see them on stage. I want to see them shoulder-to-shoulder with me." Is this guy really trying to hype up VR raving? Where's the fun in that? People like him are ruining the culture.
“Hands in the air” has been replaced by “Phones in the air” it’s all piss now. America commercialism of it and dictating the shitty EDM sound ain’t helpful either
Track ID 20:28?
came back to here, 2 years after i watched it first ,after blue mountain in Bristol closed down
all that online dating got people feeling there's no need to go clubbing
Clubbing is just old fashioned and tacky, its demise was the fact every mainstream club stopped playing underground music and adopted pop. Why pay extra when wetherspoons plays the same music and is open till 3am. Nowdays if you want to hear awesome music you save up and go to a music festival. Todays music festivals are better than the clubs and raves of the 90's, take it from someone who's done both. Clubs like Fabric went down hill towards the end of the 00's, bad atmosphere so people stopped going.
Wetherspoons don't play music, I agree with everything else you said though.
"fucking make flats everywhere" LOL
Flats that no normal person can afford at that
I go to a club like twice a week and there literally packed. I noticed a lot of people prefer late opening bars, don't get why though
oops that printworks segment didn't age well, r.i.p.
Anyone knows the track that starts at 10:37? :)
Pavol Klabník bicep - just
Pavol Klabník too me ages to find it!
Things that killed clubbing for me;
1. Age. I know that many will talk about that they're going clubbing in their 40s and '50s, but life changed for me as I got older. I met my wife and she's a morning person and it just got to the point we weren't going out like that. Now we do many other fun things.
2. Bottle service culture. I came up when clubs were like small raves - dark, underground, not fancy and elegant...music driven. It wasn't about what trust fund babies came in with their gold cards.
3. The music changed. I got out around the time the whole EDM thing happened. I just remembered though before that I felt like everybody was just playing mashups and remixes of old tunes. I'd see lots of new music being released but musically, I felt like the club scene was just holding on to the past. Plus, I felt like everything became about pleasing the trust fund babies as opposed to the folks that built the culture. Everything got very pop and top 40.
4. Too expensive. You get to the point you're paying at least $20 to get into the local spot, $50 to get into the place with the bigger name DJ, drinks are $10 to $15 a piece. I can't blame those that took drugs before coming in as even magazines would talk about a $30 pill was a better deal than four drinks at the club. For me, it also became about thinking if I should spend money at the club or save it and go on a vacation and do something bigger and more fun.
5. Festivals. While the pandemic slowed things down, I just remember many youth enjoying paying $100 for several days of top name DJs and a diversity of music compared to the money they would spend in a club. It just became a better deal and better entertainment. It's funny I see big giant spaces opening up that are trying to recreate the festival experience indoors.
Re point 1: Annie Mac now does a club night in various cities around the UK called 'Before Midnight' typically 7pm - 12 midnight. Exactly for people who like clubbing but want their sleep - i.e. many of them in that 30s/40s/50s bracket. I think she's on to a winner. Looks like you're from the USA though... am sure they do something similar there in the big cities.
@@WH-hi5ew I love the idea
I don't hear anything about that. The most are going to get are just every bar and lounge. Maybe they will have a DJ, but it's not like they're playing cutting edge music. Music. Most of it's just pop music or dance remixes of pop music.
I have noticed that in the summer, some of the noted street festivals will set up TJ's and it becomes a bigger deal to the middle-aged crowd.
Is there any tracklist of the background music? Especially at 16:08
Bicep - Just
Yeah my heart goes out to all the coked up club managers with their merry band of bullied at school bouncers, making masses of people stand in the cold outside to make their place look popular! Nah new extended licencing means I can go down the pub, where I can wear my trainers and have a chat without shouting!
Clubbing venues are suffering as are gig venues its a sad tbh alternative club club anitchrist , torture gardens and many more thrive still.
I wish Gloucester's nightlife was a bit more fun haha. I think music, culture and atmosphere are the biggest parts of the nightlife.
Peterborough reminds me of Thanet here in Kent (Margate, Ramsgate etc) shit clubs playing shit pop music. I'm a raver and at 30 I still like going out to jungle, Dnb, hardcore etc which is still around (despite what people say) so i have to go out of town like in London which ain't cheap but I find raves like Epidemik, United Colours Of Jungle for example or up north to Rave On The Tyne etc.
Illegal raves are another good shout which I've enjoyed before. I like the DIY way we just do our own thing setting up events with friends (legit events) and creating memories for us and everyone who loves the music we play.
Fuck sitting indoors watching X Factor!! I'm out there raving it up most weekends. It's a big fuck you to the local establishments who won't give us what we want.
Maybe it's because DJs like Annie Mac become successful. I went to see her a while back and she couldn't beat match for shit. Absolutely awful.
Jello Biafra is right. He said club culture is the Weimar era cabaret of today, because of its escapism and political apathy. He wrote Saturday Night Holocaust about this.
"It was like me auntie Carmel's wedding!"
Classic!
YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
whats the beginning track?
ruclips.net/video/Pz1W1OLkw14/видео.html
Track at 10:39 anyone ?
What is the song called @ the end of the program?
alwynbth1 I've spend ages searching for it: Luttrell - Stormwatcher
Thank You Sir Scott for finding this song - I was away for 2 weeks & I was really down until I saw your message - Thank You again for uplifting my spirits!!
The best music now is not meant for clubs. In the 80's we had our own culture in the UK due to no internet and the rise of ecstasy. Now kids going to clubs want to be wannabe rappers on downers. End of the day they can do that at home so why spend £100 on a night out when you know the women are on tinder too?
You can see all the big DJ's at festivals for £200 over a weekend inclding Annie Mac. Electronic music is not ABBA it was always underground and still is. Due to easier ticket sales based on Spotify listening habbit data of users the club scene became boring for all but the cream of the crop in London or Berlin etc. People just want a good time but it's became a cash. Add to it austerity and capitalist values destroying the once exciting scene you see the results.
Genre's are also too well known now and new producers porduce Techno or House with a formula already in mind. The 80's it sounded fresh but not anymore.
See us in bradford have mainstream clubs, raves and grime nights. York is great too.
Let's put this in really simple terms, by borrowing from a well-known lyric:
"YOUR MUSIC'S SHITE AND IT DOESN'T EVEN KEEP ME UP ALL NIGHT."
If clubs have to close because clubgoers occasionally die from drugs, then all pubs should surely close because pubgoers frequently drink themselves to death.
Is there a way to make the subtitles not different colors? Yellow on white is really hard to read.
Click on the settings wheel, then click on subtitles then go to options. You can change the colour of subtitles in there!
2 Mitsis in the queue made a good night, topped up by a few more during the night.
Mitsis? Yes, please.
Track name at 1:24 anyone ?
Sweet harmony - Liquid.
Ryan absolute legend
It's a little unrealistic to consider the cool underground clubs as the only or best form of partying. I think the ex raver construction guy had a really good perspective: He had a great time raving but now it's over, maybe his kids will have a great time twirling around to folk music in a field, who knows?
I use too love dnb and dubstep now its kinda shit . House and new wave where its at.
This is a major problem i found when i used to DJ, the club owners would moan as soon as i put on any underground dance tune on because "THEY" didn't like it even though when i did so the dance floor could go from almost empty to absolutely packed. So i would play their shitty commercial music once they gave me the evil eye and boom, dance floor empties. They need to realize the club is for the people coming not for their personal taste and guess what? Yup that club is now closed. The club in another area that was seen as its rival that was allowed to play what the DJ saw fit is guess what? Still open 20+ years later It says it all really.
HAHA Exactly what those girls were speaking about before they went in to Solstice and what comes on The Macerena, that was the shite the club owners wanted me playing every Saturday night until i said either i play what i want or i walk, i walked. Why should i be seen as a shitty DJ due to their constrictions.
Well said, so true!
good. i hate clubs
Hi, Whats the song name at 1:50🐣
Whats the song at 1:22 ?
Anybody know the tune from 2:27 as they're walking through fabric?
john barnes Skream - Midnight Request line 👍
tough luck
Question is where are property developers getting their money from? Who's investing in new properties?
Investors, venture capital people, and now foreign investors.
The USA is seeing an issue where foreign entities are buying up all the real estate.
Plus, a lot of clubs opened in crappy areas, but the neighborhoods grew to being hot, so luxury condos roll in, and now the residents want the clubs to go.
Is there enough young people who want to go to these mega clubs? If not the number of clubs cannot be sustained weekend after weekend. Its almost self limiting.
Anyone know the song name at 0:01 ?
High Contrast - If We Ever
solid artist from when Hospital was still a good label
Club culture is dieing because it costs £10 to get in and £6 a jägerbomb
hey, whats the song name at 2:29 ?? 🙉🙉🙉
skream - midnight request line
Poor and dangerous quality of Drugs along with high prices of drinks and admission
Surely demand would create supply though??
No more drunks and druggies screaming near my house. Oh no.
Personally I think it was Mike Hock.
Its Authorities perception on culture these days..if they were more relaxed....
What going to be here? shops. What's there now, boarded up shops.
RIP printworks
I will be honest. I was in the electronic music scene from 1992 to 2019. And.... The one of the last who played some shit DJ set in 2018.... This is Annie Mac. I was always opened to the new, to the unique and to the cool. I was independent always from styles because I love the music. That's why her words value just zero. Or two. I'm sorry. This is my opinion.
The club culture have the end soon because similar DJs on the top with their sentences, with their DJ sets, with their big faces.
Example : Sasha, Digweed, Pappa, and many old DJs always give me a cool feel, a good sounds and super music to me.
But.... This chick just a zero. I listened to some set from her, I saw some parties which..... Oh..... I'm sorry..... This is my opinion.
3:40 anni what is up with ur pupils lolll
Not surprising really, I want go to a festival or a gig I become priced out, I want to go night clubbing, poor choice of music and inflated beer prices and door entry!
Many pretentious people too and people getting easily offended when you have certain points of view!
Nah no thanks!
Its called the war on Anglo Saxons!
Serves them right for coming over here and suppressing the local Romano-British population from about AD410 onwards!
Best clubs in Puerto Rico died long time a go.
That edm shite ruined the club scene. Bring back hard house/techno and trance... I remember when tiesto was good... the music has become to commercial and producer's doing tracks with pop stars? God help the club scene in 5 years time
lol Annie Mac 40 years and hanging with teens
she can tho she's that cool
I am going to Gatcrasher at Bournemouth Opera House in October to relive the clubbing years xx
why take away clubs, its a part of growing up and your personality, half these posh bars are all sniffers themselves!
What about the fact that you and your Radio 1 mates helped to kill off the original rave scene eh!!!
It’s because the bouncers are to heavy handed the drinks are to pricy our parents generations could take md and party long into the night it’s just shit now lol
Look nightlife in Middlesbrough redcar and Newcastle all councils especially hull which council owns 3 nightclubs nightlife tourism is big business Leeds Newcastle Middlesbrough all realised this Middlesbrough council created two streets Bedford and Baker Street which both have unique micro pubs then go onto nightclubs loads teesside university was voted best university for partying lifestyle especially close to all nightsclubs and bars linthorpe Road southfield Road
Woohoo! Down with clubs
Why?
@@rodrigoc831 Look at his name.
the music isnt localized or special it's shit now
talking about this as if it's life or death lmao just don't go out thennnnn 😅
Haffing
Underground, the clue is in the title Annie we don't want your loud gob introducing tacky commercial shite. ...small cool clubs is muuuuuch better