If one goes back and focuses their listening to Neil's drumming on this, his arrangement is magnificent!! Where some drummers might take a safe route with transitions from one measure to another, he goes to the most difficult route with the most unbelievable sequences in these transitions. And it occurs over and over. We are fortunate that he left us an abundant legacy of work.
Thank you!! You are the first reviewer who got the theme of these verses immediately! Many people haven't contemplated what Freewill really means. This song is ALL ABOUT taking responsibility for your choices and convictions and the possible outcome in one's life. Excellent insight..
The irony of the song is that all three members actually use their free will and do solos at the same time. If you listen to the instrumental part of my members of the band are doing their own solo but then in a brief moment bring it back to where they are one single unit again. Rush is absolutely amazing. Love your analysis and videos, thanks
Niel was one of the best lyricists ever. The first album I ever bought was permanent waves. I was 13 at the time, I am now 54 and his words still blow me away. It's nice to see a young guy like your good self being so into what this great band produced, thanks
Very insightful. The problem with the line "You can't pray for a place In heaven's unearthly estate" is not with your understanding of it. It's the fact that "CAN'T" is actually "CAN". The maker of the lyric video has the lyrics wrong. I had the original vinyl when it came out and it contained CAN in that spot. (Check out the correct lyrics in the blog 2112.net. under Permanent Waves) The creator of these RUSH Lyrics Online gets practically one or two words wrong in nearly every song. Makes me cringe. Nothing against this person; just that I'm a stickler for RUSH lyrics. Anyway, Neil would never make such a obvious nonsensical error. Even though he was an Agnostic Atheist, he was humanistic enough to understand that OF COURSE one CAN pray for a place in Heaven. That IS the essence of FREEWILL. I left a message for this person to check that out but I guess my input was dismissed. Ha! He has the Freewill to be wrong! Peace!
I just looked up the lyrics on several sites and they all say can’t. I also listened to the song and he says can’t. Can wouldn’t fit the meaning of the song. If it’s preordained praying wont help you anyway!!
@@davidwoolbright2416 Many sites COPIED this RUSH Lyrics guy. They took it from him. (or her) Listen to it live. (and with an open mind) Did you have the original? And did you check out 2112.net? Are you like 20? Sorry, its CAN. My late father used to think Ged was singing, "We are the priests of the DEVILS of Syrinx." You'll hear what you want to hear even if you're dead wrong.
@@davidwoolbright2416 In SUBDIVISIONS this person also has down "Any escape might help DISPROVE the unattractive truth" where it actually is SOOTHE. There are tons of mistakes in these lyrics of this person.
I would love to see these original liner notes. It’s been known that liner notes can be wrong. I wasn’t even reading this guys lyrics notes. I seriously doubt every lyrics site copied this. I didn’t hear what I wanted to hear. I listened for what he said. It is can’t. Not to mention “can” doesn’t make any sense at that point in the song.
Thanks for doing this daniel and for commenting, everyone. It's true about Rush fans, so dedicated and knowledgeable. I just love the replies by fellow Rush fans to videos like this.
I'm 48. You remind me a lot of myself when I was your age. And, as much in love as I've been with Rush's music, it's always been Neil's lyrics that drew me in. Keep being critical and trying to see the meaning behinds people's words. Hopefully, there will always be people (like you) who value the power of words/language and their potential to communicate our thought and feelings.
As far as who inspired who, Rush was inspired by Yes musically. Watch Yes induction in the Rock and Roll hall of fame with Geddy filling in for the late Criss Squire...
@@ed9095 I remember watching something where Getty had mentioned how much he liked Criss Squire's "base sound" so I expect there was some influence intentional or unintentional. I do hear some similarities in certain songs with both their base playing. Don't take my word for it, maybe this will help. ultimateclassicrock.com/geddy-lee-yes-hall-of-fame-bittersweet/
@@ed9095 I mean they are a bass-heavy prog rock band. It’s impossible there wasn’t some influence there. Another big influence for Rush’s later years was The Police, believe it or not.
Rush was very much influenced by YES, Geddy actually played bass on Roundabout, at the induction of YES to the RRHOF. The Prodigal Son sums up everything. RIP Chris Squire
This tune has always been in my top 5, that solo jam is the best all out jam these guys do IMO. But this song speaks one thing to me: Choose for YOU, do not conform to anything someone else dictates, discover your own truth and follow that. Make your own decision.
And, have you heard the phrase, "Kill 'em with kindness?" It's word play on that. 💜💫✌🏼🎵 I love that you always pronounced Neil's last name correctly. 👍🏼 RIP Miss you, every day.
So the 'kindness that can kill' refers to the Mormon that knocks on your door, or the Christian that tells you you're going to hell because you're gay. It's the 'I've got it figured out' mindset.
"La Villa Strangiato" is an absolute must. Oh, and so is "2112" in it's entirety. Oh yeah, and don't forget "Xanadu." I almost forgot "The Trees!" Seriously though, you cannot find a bad RUSH song. They are gods.
I was just going to recommend La Villa Strangiato as I can’t wait to hear his take on an instrumental. Lyrics are his thing (😀) but I believe he would be great at music interpretations too.
Love The Trees! What a wonderful metaphor for the wrongs humankind does to one another. It rather reminds me of the cartoon of the kids looking over the fence to watch the ball game that defines the concept of equity by contrast with and as opposed to equality.
Rush were big fans of Yes. Geddy and Alex as teens stood in line all night to get 2nd row tickets to a Yes concert...flash forward to Yes being inducted to Rock and Roll Hall if Fame and they ask Geddy to play bass with the group since the original Yes bass player had died. Imagine what Geddy must’ve been thinking! Rush inspired by groups like Yes, Genesis and King Crimson
Rush's lyrics were influenced by Ayn Rand's objectivism philosophy, which was both atheist and capitalist . She believed that both religion and socialism went against reason and that capitalism served reason. Her contention was that all quality of life was created by the people of superior ability acting completely for themselves. The songs "The Trees" and " Closer to the Heart" showed their belief in different aspects of that philosophy.
I really love to hear your interpretation of the lyrics. Rush is considered the thinking man's band. They are so great. I think you should do Subdivisions next or The Spirit of Radio
"Kindness that can kill" - I tend to take that as referring to the contrast in many religions between the exhortation to be good and kind to others, and the actions of the followers seeking to convert others by the sword. Two major examples that come to mind are the spread of Islam in the centuries following its founding, and the crusades to take the holy land in the name of Christianity and Christendom. On a smaller scale, it can refer to personal hypocrisy, professing to believe one thing while behaving in a way that completely contradicts it. So not real kindness, just a pretense.
Thank you very much for a reaction to rush. Smart musicians and very smart lyrics. You do a really good job and I've seen it a few times so thank you very much
I'd say just file this away to think about later: I've recently become more or less convinced that what we think of as "free will" is more or less an illusion. The illusion is so like reality that it isn't terribly consequential to say it's an illusion. But, it is consequential at some point. I won't even try to convince you or anyone else of this view point here and now. Like I said, just file it away.
Idealism (freewill) can change in a fleeting moment. Life is fluid and based on where you are (age, family...... so many factors), the difference in our fleeting decisions have consequences that 3D can alter more than we can fathom (ghosts, venomous fate). So, sometimes the freewill to not choose may be the best choice. Just a thought!
I do love your response to this song. I think we have differing relationships to god, and that actually makes me smile to recognize that we each enjoy this song.
Happy to have heard your reaction, although I suppose that might be because we share the same religious and philosophical standpoint in relation to free will. I was a little saddened, after reading five of Neil Peart’s books in the wake of his passing, to see that these lyrics (and those of songs such as Roll the Bones and Faithless) actually reflected his rather dim view of Christianity as a whole. It likely had something to do with the particular brand of Protestantism to which he was exposed as a child. In any event, it was quite a shock for this lifelong Rush fan to sense just how shallow Peart’s understanding of Christian belief could be. He was definitely a believer, but his creed was definitively atheism. Please don’t get me wrong though. I still love the band, as I have for forty years. I also deeply appreciate Peart’s books and his entire lyrical oeuvre. His practice of collecting the funniest of Deep South religious billboard sayings whilst bicycling (and later motorcycling) across the US was wonderfully amusing. I suppose that’s why I’m so happy to have seen your reaction to Free Will. As you noted in your comments on Limelight, the artist puts out a product and from that point on it is picked up by each recipient for their own interpretation.
For me, the lyrics in this song are not directed toward Beliefs themselves, but toward Organized Religious Institutions that often become corrupt. I once had a bumper sticker that said 'I have no problem with God, it's his fan club that worries me' ... This song gives equal standing to all, and condemns none ... it just lays out multiple options - - a very 'Canadian' attitude ;-) I am very much enjoying your take on Rush, and your interpretation of the lyrics (they are different than mine, but beautifully insightful) .... I've always enjoyed their music, but it's the lyrics that really captured me ....
Since I have lived a pretty full life, I have come to the conclusion that we are predestined to follow a path. I tried to change things many ways and times and still I end up following the same direction. That said "freewill" to choose is a slightly different topic. Btw, Permanent Waves is my favorite album. Musically and lyrically perfect...every song.
I like that you are getting into Rush, to fans like me they are family. Word of advice, start at the beginning and work your way forward. You will apreciate them so much more!
@@nickavenoso7851 They got into bands later on like Talking Heads, Ultravox, The Boomtown Rats, The Police. 80's New Wave. Great bands, and so is RUSH.
I enjoy your reactions and hope to see more! The example about your cat spilling water made me think that you might like "Roll the Bones" by Rush as well.
Thank you , I really enjoyed your thoughtful discussion. Being a fan of Rush over the years, I've had time to think about this song, meanings implications and intent. First, this is kind of a comparative religion 101 course, wrapped in a song. It is also a bold and very personal statement. I think of the first verse as covering Greek and Roman (and prehistoric) views of deities controlling the fate of man and natural events. All the explanations are external and all misfortune can be blamed on those forces outside of our control. The chorus , interestingly , already assumes free will in the first line saying you can choose among a wide variety of beliefs to guide your actions. This is probably more true in todays age, now that we have a better view of previous societies and their beliefs. Anyhow, Peart points out that there are many systems ready for you to accept as your guide through life. Not deciding doesn't mean your not guided by some set of beliefs, just that you have not made them clear. Great job with the ice cream analogy - I would put in that not deciding is like choosing to flip a coin when you cant decide between flavors. That is a choice, and you could always flip the coin over. The phantom fears part is pretty easy to interpret. I interpret the 'kindness that can kill' line as a subtle swipe at Judeo-Christian beliefs where we run into the paradox of a benevolent being that allows terrible things to happen. In later songs, Peart rebels against that concept in "Roll the Bones" . Why does a benevolent God allow innocent children die from causes that should be easily overcome. The last line is personal, a declaration that this person has decided, after reviewing the options, to accept responsibility, and perhaps view the actions of others from that framework also. He doesnt say you the listener have to do this. I like this interpretation - When he says 'you can choose' he is speaking of himself. First, offered the old religions he rejects and chooses his own way. Each verse then offers a new system to consider, but repeating the chorus reaffirms his choice. The second verse examines Eastern religions and their systems, like Hinduism and to some extent Buddhism. In these systems people are tied to the wheel of Samsara and reborn into various lifes. You are stuck with that life until the next go around. If you are born to a lower caste, well that is just your lot. THis time you were not born into a paradise , or lotus land, which is like a heaven in some religions. The next part upsets me a bit , because the lyrics are not correct, as others have pointed out, and one word changes the entire meaning of the statement. It should be that if your lot in this life is bad , at least you CAN pray for a place in the afterlife, be that heaven or lotus land. Again, an abdication of responsibility for actions in this life, and a subtle swipe at a mystical afterlife. Changing "can" to "can't" makes this verse very confusing! The last verse is interesting and starts to bring up another kind of abdication and more of his view of existence. Here is a modern, scientific-based view of life. He doesnt get into it as much , but he does state that our genetic blends do not account for all our actions, and avoids the modern trap of genetic predetermination. The last line does capture a hint of sadness at the fleeting nature of our lives that is probably a side effect of this choice of view on life. For more exploration of this perspective check out "Roll the Bones". In my mind, one of the beauties of this song is that while Peart wrote the lyrics, Geddy sells it with total conviction. And the music is as forceful and driving as the lyrics declarations. Alex's guitar helps set the various shadings of the verses. The dreamy swirly guitars of the first verses are offset by the much sharper tone of the last verse. The dramatic start/stop drumming in the chorus provides the emphatic punctuation and exclamation points to Geddy's voicing of Peart's declarations. I usually think of Rush songs as being 'cinematic'. The changes in tempo and tone create different feelings in the listener, as does the music in a movie or an opera. In this way, they are similar to Yes. While Rush embodies some pretty heady concepts in their music, in a very solid way, Yes is more interested in creating a visual and emotional space through poetry that is not meant to make sense but evoke a feeling. Rush music is like the work of Rennaisance painters - very clear, but with underlying subtleties that reinforce the theme and feel of the work as a whole. With Yes, I think more of the impressionist and abstract masters that are not trying to capture a scene as much as trying to evoke certain feelings and imagination in the mind of the viewer. This was my first view of one of your videos - I will definitely be watching more!
Yes definitely inspired Rush. You can see Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson present at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction of Yes. It's also on RUclips. One of the musicians in Yes died recently, the bass player Chris Squire. And Geddy pays homage to him in the HOF speech.
I'm possibly the first one to leave a comment. You make some interesting and insightful observations. Thumbs up! 👍. Rush's bassist, Geddy Lee was a great admirer of the bassist/vocalist for the seminal rock/blues trio, Cream. Cream's bassist/vocalist Jack Bruce had a big influence on Geddy's own playing. Therefore at some point I suggest a Cream song for a reaction video. Especially one that highlights Jack Bruce's vocal talents, which were also remarkable.
Lotusland reference: A Lotus in buddhism is a symbol for the potential of sentient beings to achieve enlightenment (a seed growing from the sludge in a dark mucky pond can become a flower standing erect in the sunlight) buddhas are often depicted sitting on a lotus throne. So his Lotusland reference may be a reference to that.
You’re a smart kid and seem wise beyond your years. I enjoy your reactions and analysis of these great songs. I don’t believe in god, so have to disagree with you there, but I still like your channel. 😁
Of course, our differing opinions can shed light on each other and exposure to them often helps the mind evolve its ideals or cement them:) Thanks for watching and commenting!
Intuitive and insightful yes. For me, it took till my 30s to really consider something else. and where the concept of 'god' came from. i needed time to see the alternative(s). Tis why i mentioned daodejing and alan watts to him a few hours ago in a reply to another vid. im trying to watch his rush vids chronologically. great to get a fresh in-depth perspective. And to see younger people finding and resonating with Rush.
And I choose to believe people who label themselves as atheists simply fear accountability. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's "fear that guides" anyway, right? 🤔😲😂
What I really find interesting is that the song's lyrics in general contrast free will with belief in spiritual intervention of some sort, when I usually hear free will pitted against deterministic materialism. Also that the lyrics are flexible enough to allow for such beliefs and still assert that within such a context, free will still exists and "I" (whoever is saying it) can take responsibility for my own and what I do with it.
It's to much to unpack for the first few years after discovering Rush. Music like this is timeless because of many reasons. Foremost in my opinion Rush produces music to evoke ones intellect through it being listened to thoroughly. It captures your attention almost immediately and keeps your attention throughout almost every time. This quality of composition is right up there with Mozart, Verdi, Bach at the master's from the past. Sure it's not symphonic in it's nature. Depth of substance and complexity can be produced through lyrics that convey what a symphony cannot. Rush produced music that brings the mind in and then takes you to a higher plane of consciousness. Exactly what the master's did in their time.
I may well be wrong but, I have always heard that line as “kindness AT the kill,” which I have taken to mean the promise of a paradise you get to after death. (The capitals were my own.) That line may well change in its reiterations but, that’s what I hear in its first appearance. This song could be debated for hours, as it has both ontological and epistemological implications but, the comments section of a video is not the ideal venue for such a discussion.
I have enjoyed your reactions. I would suggest the next Rush song you do to be 'Subdivisions'. This was a song that related to many teenagers growing up in the 80's, and I would recommend watching the video as it gels well with the lyrics. Here is a typical comment you will find from someone about this song: "When I was a young boy, I was diagnosed with a number of mental health problems, and went through Hell for ten years... I heard "Subdivisions" by Rush for the first time. When I heard the song, I no longer felt alone or misunderstood; I finally felt like someone cared for me." - taken from youtube comment section
Thank you for your reactions, doing your best to peel back the cover to see what may be "under the hood." PLEASE react to RUSH "the Trees". This may be the "easiest" song for you, EVER, as you access the lyrics. There is NOTHING hidden in these lyrics. "The Trees" is an allegory telling a straight forward story. It is one of my favorite RUSH songs.
This ... was.... brilliant. Your analysis of the lyrics belies your age. I've always loved this song but you brought pinpoint focus to a couple of lyrics that really honed my understanding of them. Blame is better to give than receive has so much more meaning than I originally registered. As for the choice proposed between "phantom fears and kindness that can kill", my take or guess on it is that phantom fears could stop you from doing things you should out of fear of failure or whatever, whereas kindness that can kill might refer to the opposite, wherein people should be warning you away from very real peril but they want to be nice and get along instead so they don't. The first fear is something you shouldn't be afraid of at all and the second one you miss the warning lights and the train hits you. Just my guess. Thanks for such a thought-provoking analysis. Loved it.
Daniel, that was really good. I always really liked this song and got the gist, but you really went deep with what it all means and educated me on some points. Thank you. You are a wise and well spoken young man. I have been a Rush fan since they came out with their debut album but when Neil Peart joined them for the next album things changed and the rest is history. P&L
This is one of my all time favourites from Rush. Lyrics are great, but after decades I kind of know them better than I would like. One of the greatest Rush songs. Check out Exit Stage Left live version, its incredible. Kindness that can kill could be unrealistic humanism, that does more harm than good, despite seemingly good intentions. I share their atheism, not that it matters much to me, but I do.
One of my favorites. Great reaction man and may our heavenly Father bless you! Amen! You have a definite grasp on reality for someone so young, comparatively speaking. Lol!
Not sure if I mentioned this on your site? What can I say, age happens lol! You should check out the "fear series" of songs that run the latter part of their career. They are: Witch Hunt The Weapon The Enemy Within Freeze I'll let you form your own opinion on the meaning of them if you choose too. Take care ✌ P.S. Lotus Land is another term for a utopian environment or place.
In my comment on your reaction to Limelight I referred to you as a nerdy. That was not meant to be an insult. These three band members were seen as nerdy as well. If you watch any documentaries on this band, you will see they were considered by their peers as exactly that. Back in the day, they opened for Kiss at a lot of gigs. While Kiss were partying, Rush were in their rooms reading. Neil was known to be a voracious reader. You don't have to wonder why he was the lyricist for most of their tracts. Nerds rule.
Yup. Rush appeals to music nerds, and nerds of all stripes. We found our tribe. Catchy music often hides dark themes. "If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice."
Dicon Dissectional Reactions Simple fact of the matter is that everybody is nerdy about something. Embrace your nerd. It will take you where you need to go.
Absolutely, they were Nerds. one of the reasons they were so good and always put on a good show. I have seen them live half a dozen times and seen a number of other live shows as well as heard the live recordings. These guys are professionals. I have seen some bad concerts in my time by bands that partied too much or were high/drunk out of their minds on stage, for example Aerosmith, My best friend and I were fans and went to see them in '77 0r '78 and they were so bad or so high we really had a hard time trying to recognize what song they were trying to play. I say if thats what you want to do, do it on your own time, at home or on vacation...not when you have paying fans coming to your concerts.
Great analysis of these powerful lyrics.To me, the lryic"KIndness that can kill" to me refers to over adulation or false praise and the lyric, "Loltus land " refers to a perfect place, paradise. To sum up my take on the lyrics, control your own destiny by choosing what you do in life of your own mind and heart.
"Kindness that can kill" is inspired by the Ayn Rand philosophy that the morality of altruism is evil. the songs 'Anthem' and '2112' are based on his interpretation of what he read in her published works.
I first heard this song in my freshman year of High school in 1980. I understood the music very well being a musician and I only got the lyrics superficially. You are a very insightful young man. Your commentary gives me hope for the future generation of INDIVIDUALISTS. Cheers.
Rush and Yes are almost contemporaries. Iirc they formed at the same time but the yes bunch were older, had some previous experience and went through many personnel changes before the classic lineup was formed. Rush is almost exactly the same guys throughout their career. When thinking of rush and yes it can help to remember that when Yes was selling out large scale venues Rush was playing at my sisters high school. They’re both prime examples of prog, although I would say Yes was slightly more of a pioneering effort in that area. As I mentioned before, it helps to be aware of the context and interplay among the various important bands of this early prog era. Genesis is also an influence in Rush. There is what I call a pure Genesis “moment” in the Rush song “yyz”. Everything’s related... 👍
If you have not already done it yet, Rush Xanadu Exit Stage Left Live video. Also Billy Thorpe, specifically Children of the Sun, it is very similar to Rush.
I have been a female Rush fan since 1980ish and Freewill is my fave! I love that you talk about the lyrics. I crave this, and really have no one to have these conversations with. I have friends that like Rush, my husband loves them, but they don't deep dive the lyrics like I do...And, on Rush social media sites talking about the lyrics leads to many arguments since they do have a political/religious spin to them people can be really out of line. Freewill was life changing for me...put into words what I was thinking before I knew I was even thinking it. I always wondered if God gave us intelligence, fortitude, ambition, drive, common sense, etc...why would he then decide everything for us? Seemed silly.
I was actually running through the list just to see what songs you have done and saw this one and had to play it LOL I'm definitely downloading this one... Good, deep thoughts. God has a plan for someone, someone is going to be stubborn, someone falls on their face because of stubbornness, and God picks that someone up, dusts them off and says "that's okay, stubborn or not, bad choice or not, I'll use those bumps for good." Fleet... Kathy Mattea said it best... Time passes by, people move on... Lotusland, it's actually a botanical Garden in California built in 1941... They say it has a spiritual resonance to it. I am glad I stopped to listen to this one, this song has always been one of my favorites... Good job! You mentioned different beat... As you explore Rush more, you begin to realize they use Tempo change all the time in their songs, always beautifully done.
Yes, Rush was hugely influenced by Yes. Yes came first, they made a record in 1968 and even opened for Cream at their 1968 farewell concert, so they were established before Rush, who released their first, pre-Neil Peart debut album in early 1974. Geddy and Alex gave the Induction speech for Yes at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2017. Rush was inducted in 2013. But Rush was rightfully upset that Yes hadn’t already been inducted before them (long story). Rush drummer Neil Peart was a huge fan of Yes and their early drummer Bill Bruford, who left to go to King Crimson (but came back to Yes occasionally and was inducted with long-time drummer Alan White, too) ruclips.net/video/i-7FdSUQONU/видео.html Geddy Lee then played bass with Yes on Roundabout, in place of the legendary Chris Squire - his huge influence, and the greatest rock bassist of all time, imho. ruclips.net/video/t1-NsnlPc54/видео.html
I have heard that Tool and Dreamscape are very much influenced by Rush, but I'm not qualified to comment. My favorite platitude regarding Neil Peart is that he is known as "your favorite drummers, favorite drummer" (Dave Grohl as an example) #theprofessor
If I pre-record a football game for my friend, and when we watch the game, I know what each play is going to be, I did not have any control over the outcome, I simply watched the teams ahead of time make their decisions freely. Knowing what happens next and controlling what happens next are two separate things. I know what plays the teams call of their own free will, but do not control what plays the teams call of their own free will.
Greek mythology. The Odyssey. Figuratively, 'lotus-eater' denotes "a person who spends their time indulging in pleasure and luxury rather than dealing with practical concerns".
I think you would get a lot of mileage out of dissecting Natural Science. Very heady themes with multiple layers..Plus, the song just kicks ass of course ;-)
💥THE GIRL WHO LISTENED TO RUSH💥 From the back of the stadium She’s easy to see Standing up at the stage In her Starman tee From Anthem to Limelight To YYZ She’s the girl who listened to Rush And all of the rockers And all of the heshers Well they dreamed of the day That they might get her And drive her away In a Red Barchetta She’s the girl who listened to Rush Philosophers and ploughmen They can’t resist her call They cannot choose Not to decide So they've got no choice at all They've gotta love her No she doesn’t say "Pert" And she doesn’t say "Part" Yeah, she knows it’s "Neil Peert" ‘Cause he’s close to her heart Say a prayer for John Rutsey He was there at the start She’s the girl who listened to Rush Philosophers and ploughmen They can’t resist her call They cannot choose Not to decide So they've got no choice at all They've gotta love her Why don’t girls ever listen to Rush? (X a lot) But she listened to Rush! The blacksmith and the artist They can’t resist her call You cannot choose Not to decide So you’ve got no choice at all No you’ve got no choice at all You’ve gotta love her ~ Nerf Herder
@Cinder Man I wish I wrote it! It was written by a band, Nerf Herder. I've been a Rushian for 40+ years! Seen them dozens of times in concert! Your daughter sounds amazing!!! The apple does not fall far! 💜💫✌🏼🎵
Hi Chris! To me that end of the line 'kindness that can kill' may refer to religion that's supposed to be full of kindness but in reality kills both metaphorically and gives blessings to wars.
I'm a little late to the game here but I have a lot of insight into this particular song. Hopefully you will revisit these comments at some point or perhaps I write this only for the benefit of others in future. There are two shortcuts to understanding the origins of these lyrics. 1) Look up the term "Secular Humanism" 2) Ayn Rand's philosophical treatise; Objectivism. Neils writing as you will come to find out was at one point highly influenced by her novels and ideas about philosophy. - Throughout this song it should be noted that Neil was a self described agnostic. Ayn Rand was an atheist. - A ready guide in some celestial voice - refers to one of these or all; the bible, the kuran, etc. The word of God. - The first verse of this song, you nailed, bang on, better than I ever could have. Bravo! - Fantom Fears - Unearned guilt. (eg: a child is told that God sees everything you do and will be angry with you if you break his rules, etc. In some households, it is taught that you will burn in hell forever if you slight God.) - kindness that can kill - according to Ayn Rand, self interest is a virtue while altruism (selflessness in action as a virtue) is not attainable as a virtue because you won't be able to practice it consistently (vituously) without it resulting in your own demise or failure to sustain the happiness you deserve. - Lotus land refers to Greek mythology of the lotus eaters. They weren't born in lotus land because they "know" the universe is malignant and that providence wants them dead. They can't afford the luxury of apathy as cruel fate will catch up to them and stamp them out of existence. Ayn Rand held that the universe is benevolent to one's aspirations if one chooses to abide by logic and reason and use philosophy to guide one's choices in dealing with reality. - The typo "can't" should be "You CAN pray for a place" In the context of the song as Neil wrote it; he viewed prayer as a pointless, perhaps even a pathetic endeavour. His views on this definitely softened later on. While he never became a believer, (see the song, "Faithless" on Snakes and Arrows) he did come to see religion as a wondrous phenomenon that was often helpful for people to come to terms with their own mortality, etc. He himself, viewed the exisence of God as an absurd notion devoid of proof. Without, again reviewing every line of the song, I will say that pretty much every assertion made in the lines of these lyrics are one's that Neil himself strongly disagreed with. That is to say that he was specifically using scathing sarcasm to put his point across to the listener. Quite brilliant, actually. Poetic sarcasm! Who ever heard of such a thing? I hope that clears up some confusion you may have about the writing of these lyrics. I'm quite confident you can take it from there. I will be hitting the Subscribe button. Keep up the amazing work. It's great!
It is more complicated than saying that one person is responsible for everything that happens in their life. It's both the environment AND the person's personal agency. Both play a part. Not one or the other. Sometimes the environment will affect the WAY you think and make your choices. Kindness that can kill, is where good intentions might lead to harm.
My point was that a person can only control their themselves. The environmental stuff is more up to chance or deliberate actions from others, which we cannot control.
I think you missed the point on that whole lyric, You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice ( God), you can choose not to decide, you still have made a choice ( Just walk away) you can choose phantom fears and kindness that can kill ( Religion) i will choose a path that's clear, i will choose freewill ( My own way)
Yes inspired Rush. Rush introduced Yes into the Rock Hall of Fame and acknowledged Yes's influence on their band. You can see Rush's introduction of Yes into the Rock Hall of Fame on RUclips. Rush took what Yes did and far exceeded it.
![Gunna - HIM ALL ALONG [Official Visualizer]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HiCxoDeo0hc/mqdefault.jpg)
If one goes back and focuses their listening to Neil's drumming on this, his arrangement is magnificent!! Where some drummers might take a safe route with transitions from one measure to another, he goes to the most difficult route with the most unbelievable sequences in these transitions. And it occurs over and over. We are fortunate that he left us an abundant legacy of work.
Also he'll be just as good and play differently every time
Yes the verses shift between 6/4 and 7/4 time signatures but Rush makes it flow so well
Thank you!! You are the first reviewer who got the theme of these verses immediately! Many people haven't contemplated what Freewill really means. This song is ALL ABOUT taking responsibility for your choices and convictions and the possible outcome in one's life. Excellent insight..
This is why rush is called the thinking mans band
The irony of the song is that all three members actually use their free will and do solos at the same time. If you listen to the instrumental part of my members of the band are doing their own solo but then in a brief moment bring it back to where they are one single unit again. Rush is absolutely amazing. Love your analysis and videos, thanks
Great call on the individual solos. I heard it with fresh ears for the first time in decades.
I had these identical conversations with my buddies when I was your age. We were stoned of course.
Dale C Was that you?!?! How ya been, man! Long time, no see!!! :D
Niel was one of the best lyricists ever. The first album I ever bought was permanent waves. I was 13 at the time, I am now 54 and his words still blow me away. It's nice to see a young guy like your good self being so into what this great band produced, thanks
Another fyi: 30 minute long videos are not a bad thing...i listen to these at work so the longer the better 😉
Testify my brother
Very insightful. The problem with the line "You can't pray for a place In heaven's unearthly estate" is not with your understanding of it. It's the fact that "CAN'T" is actually "CAN". The maker of the lyric video has the lyrics wrong. I had the original vinyl when it came out and it contained CAN in that spot. (Check out the correct lyrics in the blog 2112.net. under Permanent Waves) The creator of these RUSH Lyrics Online gets practically one or two words wrong in nearly every song. Makes me cringe. Nothing against this person; just that I'm a stickler for RUSH lyrics. Anyway, Neil would never make such a obvious nonsensical error. Even though he was an Agnostic Atheist, he was humanistic enough to understand that OF COURSE one CAN pray for a place in Heaven. That IS the essence of FREEWILL. I left a message for this person to check that out but I guess my input was dismissed.
Ha! He has the Freewill to be wrong!
Peace!
I just looked up the lyrics on several sites and they all say can’t. I also listened to the song and he says can’t. Can wouldn’t fit the meaning of the song. If it’s preordained praying wont help you anyway!!
@@davidwoolbright2416
Many sites COPIED this RUSH Lyrics guy. They took it from him. (or her) Listen to it live. (and with an open mind) Did you have the original? And did you check out 2112.net? Are you like 20? Sorry, its CAN. My late father used to think Ged was singing, "We are the priests of the DEVILS of Syrinx." You'll hear what you want to hear even if you're dead wrong.
@@davidwoolbright2416
In SUBDIVISIONS this person also has down "Any escape might help DISPROVE the unattractive truth" where it actually is SOOTHE.
There are tons of mistakes in these lyrics of this person.
I would love to see these original liner notes. It’s been known that liner notes can be wrong. I wasn’t even reading this guys lyrics notes. I seriously doubt every lyrics site copied this. I didn’t hear what I wanted to hear. I listened for what he said. It is can’t. Not to mention “can” doesn’t make any sense at that point in the song.
The Rush website even has the lyrics as Can’t.
Thanks for doing this daniel and for commenting, everyone. It's true about Rush fans, so dedicated and knowledgeable. I just love the replies by fellow Rush fans to videos like this.
If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice! One of my favorite quotes of all time
I'm 48. You remind me a lot of myself when I was your age. And, as much in love as I've been with Rush's music, it's always been Neil's lyrics that drew me in. Keep being critical and trying to see the meaning behinds people's words. Hopefully, there will always be people (like you) who value the power of words/language and their potential to communicate our thought and feelings.
'If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice' is the BEST line E-V-E-R!! love love love!!
Small green due: Oh, choose not do you? Still a choice it is.
Their song" Subdivisions" is an ode to the misfit or outsider. It's as relevant today as it was when they wrote it.
As far as who inspired who, Rush was inspired by Yes musically. Watch Yes induction in the Rock and Roll hall of fame with Geddy filling in for the late Criss Squire...
Is this an assumption or do you have anything more concrete?
@@ed9095 look into it asshole... don't insult me with a pugilistic question. I wouldn't just make a statement, to later be interrogated.
@@ed9095 I remember watching something where Getty had mentioned how much he liked Criss Squire's "base sound" so I expect there was some influence intentional or unintentional. I do hear some similarities in certain songs with both their base playing.
Don't take my word for it, maybe this will help. ultimateclassicrock.com/geddy-lee-yes-hall-of-fame-bittersweet/
@@ed9095 I mean they are a bass-heavy prog rock band. It’s impossible there wasn’t some influence there. Another big influence for Rush’s later years was The Police, believe it or not.
Rush was very much influenced by YES, Geddy actually played bass on Roundabout, at the induction of YES to the RRHOF. The Prodigal Son sums up everything. RIP Chris Squire
This tune has always been in my top 5, that solo jam is the best all out jam these guys do IMO. But this song speaks one thing to me: Choose for YOU, do not conform to anything someone else dictates, discover your own truth and follow that. Make your own decision.
And, have you heard the phrase, "Kill 'em with kindness?"
It's word play on that.
💜💫✌🏼🎵
I love that you always pronounced Neil's last name correctly. 👍🏼
RIP Miss you, every day.
"If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice" was my high school annual comment back in 1980...good reaction...looking forward to 2112.
Neil could have said Disneyland to make it a little clearer, but maybe he consulted a lawyer first, he was a smart guy.
So the 'kindness that can kill' refers to the Mormon that knocks on your door, or the Christian that tells you you're going to hell because you're gay. It's the 'I've got it figured out' mindset.
Good work is the key to good fortune.
Winners take that praise,
losers seldom take that blame.
Glad you enjoyed that. Check out, Xanudo, off of, Exit Stage Left, live version. This band, live , is off the chain!
"La Villa Strangiato" is an absolute must. Oh, and so is "2112" in it's entirety. Oh yeah, and don't forget "Xanadu." I almost forgot "The Trees!" Seriously though, you cannot find a bad RUSH song. They are gods.
I was just going to recommend La Villa Strangiato as I can’t wait to hear his take on an instrumental. Lyrics are his thing (😀) but I believe he would be great at music interpretations too.
Love The Trees! What a wonderful metaphor for the wrongs humankind does to one another.
It rather reminds me of the cartoon of the kids looking over the fence to watch the ball game that defines the concept of equity by contrast with and as opposed to equality.
Another great one brought me back to my first car laying on the hood by the lake
thanks
Rush were big fans of Yes. Geddy and Alex as teens stood in line all night to get 2nd row tickets to a Yes concert...flash forward to Yes being inducted to Rock and Roll Hall if Fame and they ask Geddy to play bass with the group since the original Yes bass player had died. Imagine what Geddy must’ve been thinking! Rush inspired by groups like Yes, Genesis and King Crimson
Rush's lyrics were influenced by Ayn Rand's objectivism philosophy, which was both atheist and capitalist . She believed that both religion and socialism went against reason and that capitalism served reason. Her contention was that all quality of life was created by the people of superior ability acting completely for themselves. The songs "The Trees" and " Closer to the Heart" showed their belief in different aspects of that philosophy.
I really love to hear your interpretation of the lyrics. Rush is considered the thinking man's band. They are so great. I think you should do Subdivisions next or The Spirit of Radio
Love your interest and insight my friend. I think Witch Hunt from Moving Pictures would be right up your alley.
Freewill comes from Neil's agnostic/atheist position.
You remind me of me forty years ago really getting into neil pearts lyrics and his analogies and it's never stopped.
"Kindness that can kill" - I tend to take that as referring to the contrast in many religions between the exhortation to be good and kind to others, and the actions of the followers seeking to convert others by the sword.
Two major examples that come to mind are the spread of Islam in the centuries following its founding, and the crusades to take the holy land in the name of Christianity and Christendom.
On a smaller scale, it can refer to personal hypocrisy, professing to believe one thing while behaving in a way that completely contradicts it. So not real kindness, just a pretense.
Thank you very much for a reaction to rush. Smart musicians and very smart lyrics. You do a really good job and I've seen it a few times so thank you very much
I'd say just file this away to think about later: I've recently become more or less convinced that what we think of as "free will" is more or less an illusion. The illusion is so like reality that it isn't terribly consequential to say it's an illusion. But, it is consequential at some point. I won't even try to convince you or anyone else of this view point here and now. Like I said, just file it away.
Idealism (freewill) can change in a fleeting moment. Life is fluid and based on where you are (age, family...... so many factors), the difference in our fleeting decisions have consequences that 3D can alter more than we can fathom (ghosts, venomous fate). So, sometimes the freewill to not choose may be the best choice.
Just a thought!
Geddy Lee inducted and played with YES at their Rock n Roll hall of fame induction
I do love your response to this song.
I think we have differing relationships to god, and that actually makes me smile to recognize that we each enjoy this song.
I appreciate you taking the time to comment, you raise good points:)
Happy to have heard your reaction, although I suppose that might be because we share the same religious and philosophical standpoint in relation to free will.
I was a little saddened, after reading five of Neil Peart’s books in the wake of his passing, to see that these lyrics (and those of songs such as Roll the Bones and Faithless) actually reflected his rather dim view of Christianity as a whole. It likely had something to do with the particular brand of Protestantism to which he was exposed as a child. In any event, it was quite a shock for this lifelong Rush fan to sense just how shallow Peart’s understanding of Christian belief could be. He was definitely a believer, but his creed was definitively atheism.
Please don’t get me wrong though. I still love the band, as I have for forty years. I also deeply appreciate Peart’s books and his entire lyrical oeuvre. His practice of collecting the funniest of Deep South religious billboard sayings whilst bicycling (and later motorcycling) across the US was wonderfully amusing.
I suppose that’s why I’m so happy to have seen your reaction to Free Will. As you noted in your comments on Limelight, the artist puts out a product and from that point on it is picked up by each recipient for their own interpretation.
For me, the lyrics in this song are not directed toward Beliefs themselves, but toward Organized Religious Institutions that often become corrupt. I once had a bumper sticker that said 'I have no problem with God, it's his fan club that worries me' ... This song gives equal standing to all, and condemns none ... it just lays out multiple options - - a very 'Canadian' attitude ;-)
I am very much enjoying your take on Rush, and your interpretation of the lyrics (they are different than mine, but beautifully insightful) .... I've always enjoyed their music, but it's the lyrics that really captured me ....
Since I have lived a pretty full life, I have come to the conclusion that we are predestined to follow a path. I tried to change things many ways and times and still I end up following the same direction. That said "freewill" to choose is a slightly different topic. Btw, Permanent Waves is my favorite album. Musically and lyrically perfect...every song.
I like that you are getting into Rush, to fans like me they are family. Word of advice, start at the beginning and work your way forward. You will apreciate them so much more!
The boys, Geddy in particular, were fans of Yes.
Moto Dork Yes, but there sound moves away from the Yes kind of prog rock sound in the 80’s, imo.
Cody&Abbie
It’s safe to say that even Yes moved away from prog Yes in the 80’s.
Check out Geddy playing the base with Yes at the rock hall of game. He was in his element playing with a band he idolized.
@@nickavenoso7851 They got into bands later on like Talking Heads, Ultravox, The Boomtown Rats, The Police. 80's New Wave. Great bands, and so is RUSH.
Markus Antonio Yes. Rush is my favorite band. But, I know of there different influences, The Police are one of my favorite bands, also.
I enjoy your reactions and hope to see more! The example about your cat spilling water made me think that you might like "Roll the Bones" by Rush as well.
Thank you , I really enjoyed your thoughtful discussion. Being a fan of Rush over the years, I've had time to think about this song, meanings implications and intent. First, this is kind of a comparative religion 101 course, wrapped in a song. It is also a bold and very personal statement.
I think of the first verse as covering Greek and Roman (and prehistoric) views of deities controlling the fate of man and natural events. All the explanations are external and all misfortune can be blamed on those forces outside of our control. The chorus , interestingly , already assumes free will in the first line saying you can choose among a wide variety of beliefs to guide your actions. This is probably more true in todays age, now that we have a better view of previous societies and their beliefs. Anyhow, Peart points out that there are many systems ready for you to accept as your guide through life. Not deciding doesn't mean your not guided by some set of beliefs, just that you have not made them clear. Great job with the ice cream analogy - I would put in that not deciding is like choosing to flip a coin when you cant decide between flavors. That is a choice, and you could always flip the coin over.
The phantom fears part is pretty easy to interpret. I interpret the 'kindness that can kill' line as a subtle swipe at Judeo-Christian beliefs where we run into the paradox of a benevolent being that allows terrible things to happen. In later songs, Peart rebels against that concept in "Roll the Bones" . Why does a benevolent God allow innocent children die from causes that should be easily overcome. The last line is personal, a declaration that this person has decided, after reviewing the options, to accept responsibility, and perhaps view the actions of others from that framework also. He doesnt say you the listener have to do this. I like this interpretation - When he says 'you can choose' he is speaking of himself. First, offered the old religions he rejects and chooses his own way. Each verse then offers a new system to consider, but repeating the chorus reaffirms his choice.
The second verse examines Eastern religions and their systems, like Hinduism and to some extent Buddhism. In these systems people are tied to the wheel of Samsara and reborn into various lifes. You are stuck with that life until the next go around. If you are born to a lower caste, well that is just your lot. THis time you were not born into a paradise , or lotus land, which is like a heaven in some religions.
The next part upsets me a bit , because the lyrics are not correct, as others have pointed out, and one word changes the entire meaning of the statement. It should be that if your lot in this life is bad , at least you CAN pray for a place in the afterlife, be that heaven or lotus land. Again, an abdication of responsibility for actions in this life, and a subtle swipe at a mystical afterlife. Changing "can" to "can't" makes this verse very confusing!
The last verse is interesting and starts to bring up another kind of abdication and more of his view of existence. Here is a modern, scientific-based view of life. He doesnt get into it as much , but he does state that our genetic blends do not account for all our actions, and avoids the modern trap of genetic predetermination. The last line does capture a hint of sadness at the fleeting nature of our lives that is probably a side effect of this choice of view on life. For more exploration of this perspective check out "Roll the Bones".
In my mind, one of the beauties of this song is that while Peart wrote the lyrics, Geddy sells it with total conviction. And the music is as forceful and driving as the lyrics declarations. Alex's guitar helps set the various shadings of the verses. The dreamy swirly guitars of the first verses are offset by the much sharper tone of the last verse. The dramatic start/stop drumming in the chorus provides the emphatic punctuation and exclamation points to Geddy's voicing of Peart's declarations.
I usually think of Rush songs as being 'cinematic'. The changes in tempo and tone create different feelings in the listener, as does the music in a movie or an opera. In this way, they are similar to Yes. While Rush embodies some pretty heady concepts in their music, in a very solid way, Yes is more interested in creating a visual and emotional space through poetry that is not meant to make sense but evoke a feeling. Rush music is like the work of Rennaisance painters - very clear, but with underlying subtleties that reinforce the theme and feel of the work as a whole. With Yes, I think more of the impressionist and abstract masters that are not trying to capture a scene as much as trying to evoke certain feelings and imagination in the mind of the viewer.
This was my first view of one of your videos - I will definitely be watching more!
Welcome to the channel, awesome and well thought out comment:) Rush is currently the group I have reacted to the most, so I'm glad you like them.
Yes definitely inspired Rush. You can see Geddy Lee and Alex Lifeson present at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction of Yes. It's also on RUclips. One of the musicians in Yes died recently, the bass player Chris Squire. And Geddy pays homage to him in the HOF speech.
I'm possibly the first one to leave a comment. You make some interesting and insightful observations. Thumbs up! 👍. Rush's bassist, Geddy Lee was a great admirer of the bassist/vocalist for the seminal rock/blues trio, Cream. Cream's bassist/vocalist Jack Bruce had a big influence on Geddy's own playing. Therefore at some point I suggest a Cream song for a reaction video. Especially one that highlights Jack Bruce's vocal talents, which were also remarkable.
Congratulations:) And thank you!
Lotusland reference: A Lotus in buddhism is a symbol for the potential of sentient beings to achieve enlightenment (a seed growing from the sludge in a dark mucky pond can become a flower standing erect in the sunlight) buddhas are often depicted sitting on a lotus throne. So his Lotusland reference may be a reference to that.
You’re a smart kid and seem wise beyond your years. I enjoy your reactions and analysis of these great songs. I don’t believe in god, so have to disagree with you there, but I still like your channel. 😁
Of course, our differing opinions can shed light on each other and exposure to them often helps the mind evolve its ideals or cement them:) Thanks for watching and commenting!
i too am an atheist anyone can be anything as long as they are kind hearted and open minded ,,,xo
Intuitive and insightful yes. For me, it took till my 30s to really consider something else. and where the concept of 'god' came from. i needed time to see the alternative(s). Tis why i mentioned daodejing and alan watts to him a few hours ago in a reply to another vid. im trying to watch his rush vids chronologically. great to get a fresh in-depth perspective. And to see younger people finding and resonating with Rush.
Another proof that "freewill" is all we have... ❤️
And I choose to believe people who label themselves as atheists simply fear accountability. And there's nothing wrong with that. It's "fear that guides" anyway, right? 🤔😲😂
What I really find interesting is that the song's lyrics in general contrast free will with belief in spiritual intervention of some sort, when I usually hear free will pitted against deterministic materialism.
Also that the lyrics are flexible enough to allow for such beliefs and still assert that within such a context, free will still exists and "I" (whoever is saying it) can take responsibility for my own and what I do with it.
It's to much to unpack for the first few years after discovering Rush. Music like this is timeless because of many reasons. Foremost in my opinion Rush produces music to evoke ones intellect through it being listened to thoroughly. It captures your attention almost immediately and keeps your attention throughout almost every time. This quality of composition is right up there with Mozart, Verdi, Bach at the master's from the past. Sure it's not symphonic in it's nature. Depth of substance and complexity can be produced through lyrics that convey what a symphony cannot. Rush produced music that brings the mind in and then takes you to a higher plane of consciousness. Exactly what the master's did in their time.
I may well be wrong but, I have always heard that line as “kindness AT the kill,” which I have taken to mean the promise of a paradise you get to after death. (The capitals were my own.) That line may well change in its reiterations but, that’s what I hear in its first appearance. This song could be debated for hours, as it has both ontological and epistemological implications but, the comments section of a video is not the ideal venue for such a discussion.
I have enjoyed your reactions. I would suggest the next Rush song you do to be 'Subdivisions'. This was a song that related to many teenagers growing up in the 80's, and I would recommend watching the video as it gels well with the lyrics. Here is a typical comment you will find from someone about this song:
"When I was a young boy, I was diagnosed with a number of mental health problems, and went through Hell for ten years... I heard "Subdivisions" by Rush for the first time. When I heard the song, I no longer felt alone or misunderstood; I finally felt like someone cared for me." - taken from youtube comment section
Not sure if its been mentioned you must do Xanadu live from Exit Stage Left, it is quite incredible.
See Manhattan Project. Also see Camera Eye.
Thank you for your reactions, doing your best to peel back the cover to see what may be "under the hood."
PLEASE react to RUSH "the Trees". This may be the "easiest" song for you, EVER, as you access the lyrics. There is NOTHING hidden in these lyrics. "The Trees" is an allegory telling a straight forward story. It is one of my favorite RUSH songs.
I think Subdivisions might be first, but I'll get to the Trees very soon:)
rush-spirit of the radio
It's THE Spirit of Radio...not being a dick, but think about the way the words are arranged and you'll understand better.
@@joconnell8145 i dont care how to call it :)
its amazing song anyway! love and peace
Loved the reaction. You are wise beyond your years.
This ... was.... brilliant. Your analysis of the lyrics belies your age. I've always loved this song but you brought pinpoint focus to a couple of lyrics that really honed my understanding of them. Blame is better to give than receive has so much more meaning than I originally registered. As for the choice proposed between "phantom fears and kindness that can kill", my take or guess on it is that phantom fears could stop you from doing things you should out of fear of failure or whatever, whereas kindness that can kill might refer to the opposite, wherein people should be warning you away from very real peril but they want to be nice and get along instead so they don't. The first fear is something you shouldn't be afraid of at all and the second one you miss the warning lights and the train hits you. Just my guess. Thanks for such a thought-provoking analysis. Loved it.
Daniel, that was really good. I always really liked this song and got the gist, but you really went deep with what it all means and educated me on some points. Thank you. You are a wise and well spoken young man. I have been a Rush fan since they came out with their debut album but when Neil Peart joined them for the next album things changed and the rest is history. P&L
This is one of my all time favourites from Rush. Lyrics are great, but after decades I kind of know them better than I would like. One of the greatest Rush songs. Check out Exit Stage Left live version, its incredible.
Kindness that can kill could be unrealistic humanism, that does more harm than good, despite seemingly good intentions.
I share their atheism, not that it matters much to me, but I do.
Suggestions for more Rush: The Camera Eye, The Spirit of Radio
If you want to hear transformation from Rush, listen to 2112.
And the Drummer Near P(Ear)T was the song write'er of most all Rush tunes. Few Excepitions.
One of my favorites. Great reaction man and may our heavenly Father bless you! Amen! You have a definite grasp on reality for someone so young, comparatively speaking. Lol!
Not sure if I mentioned this on your site? What can I say, age happens lol!
You should check out the "fear series" of songs that run the latter part of their career. They are: Witch Hunt
The Weapon
The Enemy Within
Freeze
I'll let you form your own opinion on the meaning of them if you choose too.
Take care ✌
P.S. Lotus Land is another term for a utopian environment or place.
Rush was inspired by Yes, Led Zeppelin, Cream, The Who and Pink Floyd among others.
In my comment on your reaction to Limelight I referred to you as a nerdy. That was not meant to be an insult.
These three band members were seen as nerdy as well. If you watch any documentaries on this band, you will see they were considered by their peers as exactly that. Back in the day, they opened for Kiss at a lot of gigs. While Kiss were partying, Rush were in their rooms reading. Neil was known to be a voracious reader. You don't have to wonder why he was the lyricist for most of their tracts. Nerds rule.
I didn't take offense at all:) I love a bunch of nerdy stuff, I know what I am, heheh...
Yup. Rush appeals to music nerds, and nerds of all stripes. We found our tribe. Catchy music often hides dark themes.
"If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice."
Dicon Dissectional Reactions Simple fact of the matter is that everybody is nerdy about something.
Embrace your nerd. It will take you where you need to go.
Absolutely, they were Nerds. one of the reasons they were so good and always put on a good show. I have seen them live half a dozen times and seen a number of other live shows as well as heard the live recordings. These guys are professionals. I have seen some bad concerts in my time by bands that partied too much or were high/drunk out of their minds on stage, for example Aerosmith, My best friend and I were fans and went to see them in '77 0r '78 and they were so bad or so high we really had a hard time trying to recognize what song they were trying to play. I say if thats what you want to do, do it on your own time, at home or on vacation...not when you have paying fans coming to your concerts.
Great analysis of these powerful lyrics.To me, the lryic"KIndness that can kill" to me refers to over adulation or false praise and the lyric, "Loltus land " refers to a perfect place, paradise. To sum up my take on the lyrics, control your own destiny by choosing what you do in life of your own mind and heart.
"Kindness that can kill" is inspired by the Ayn Rand philosophy that the morality of altruism is evil. the songs 'Anthem' and '2112' are based on his interpretation of what he read in her published works.
I first heard this song in my freshman year of High school in 1980. I understood the music very well being a musician and I only got the lyrics superficially. You are a very insightful young man. Your commentary gives me hope for the future generation of INDIVIDUALISTS. Cheers.
Faithless is another song you should do...Neil always claimed he was an atheist but I think he was an agnostic
👍😄🔥 Yes!!!
Rush and Yes are almost contemporaries. Iirc they formed at the same time but the yes bunch were older, had some previous experience and went through many personnel changes before the classic lineup was formed. Rush is almost exactly the same guys throughout their career. When thinking of rush and yes it can help to remember that when Yes was selling out large scale venues Rush was playing at my sisters high school.
They’re both prime examples of prog, although I would say Yes was slightly more of a pioneering effort in that area.
As I mentioned before, it helps to be aware of the context and interplay among the various important bands of this early prog era. Genesis is also an influence in Rush. There is what I call a pure Genesis “moment” in the Rush song “yyz”.
Everything’s related... 👍
In light of the new SpaceX era, check out Countdown, written after they were invited to witness a Space Shuttle launch.
If you have not already done it yet, Rush Xanadu Exit Stage Left Live video. Also Billy Thorpe, specifically Children of the Sun, it is very similar to Rush.
I have been a female Rush fan since 1980ish and Freewill is my fave! I love that you talk about the lyrics. I crave this, and really have no one to have these conversations with. I have friends that like Rush, my husband loves them, but they don't deep dive the lyrics like I do...And, on Rush social media sites talking about the lyrics leads to many arguments since they do have a political/religious spin to them people can be really out of line. Freewill was life changing for me...put into words what I was thinking before I knew I was even thinking it. I always wondered if God gave us intelligence, fortitude, ambition, drive, common sense, etc...why would he then decide everything for us? Seemed silly.
Peart has been studied Ivy League school(s)
Geddy Lee played bass for YES's Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Induction... Chris Squire had past and Geddy Nailed it!!!
Seen Yes in 95 at Star Lake in Burrgesstown Pa and they were great!!
I love your theology brother, spot on, thanks.
I was actually running through the list just to see what songs you have done and saw this one and had to play it LOL I'm definitely downloading this one... Good, deep thoughts.
God has a plan for someone, someone is going to be stubborn, someone falls on their face because of stubbornness, and God picks that someone up, dusts them off and says "that's okay, stubborn or not, bad choice or not, I'll use those bumps for good."
Fleet... Kathy Mattea said it best... Time passes by, people move on...
Lotusland, it's actually a botanical Garden in California built in 1941... They say it has a spiritual resonance to it.
I am glad I stopped to listen to this one, this song has always been one of my favorites... Good job! You mentioned different beat... As you explore Rush more, you begin to realize they use Tempo change all the time in their songs, always beautifully done.
I consider the instrumental break in this song as strong evidence of God's existence.
lol. Agree
Yes, Rush was hugely influenced by Yes. Yes came first, they made a record in 1968 and even opened for Cream at their 1968 farewell concert, so they were established before Rush, who released their first, pre-Neil Peart debut album in early 1974.
Geddy and Alex gave the Induction speech for Yes at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2017. Rush was inducted in 2013. But Rush was rightfully upset that Yes hadn’t already been inducted before them (long story). Rush drummer Neil Peart was a huge fan of Yes and their early drummer Bill Bruford, who left to go to King Crimson (but came back to Yes occasionally and was inducted with long-time drummer Alan White, too)
ruclips.net/video/i-7FdSUQONU/видео.html
Geddy Lee then played bass with Yes on Roundabout, in place of the legendary Chris Squire - his huge influence, and the greatest rock bassist of all time, imho.
ruclips.net/video/t1-NsnlPc54/видео.html
Great analogy. I like where you are coming from.
I have heard that Tool and Dreamscape are very much influenced by Rush, but I'm not qualified to comment. My favorite platitude regarding Neil Peart is that he is known as "your favorite drummers, favorite drummer" (Dave Grohl as an example) #theprofessor
If I pre-record a football game for my friend, and when we watch the game, I know what each play is going to be, I did not have any control over the outcome, I simply watched the teams ahead of time make their decisions freely. Knowing what happens next and controlling what happens next are two separate things.
I know what plays the teams call of their own free will, but do not control what plays the teams call of their own free will.
You will enjoy this rush tune
Greek mythology. The Odyssey. Figuratively, 'lotus-eater' denotes "a person who spends their time indulging in pleasure and luxury rather than dealing with practical concerns".
I think you would get a lot of mileage out of dissecting Natural Science. Very heady themes with multiple layers..Plus, the song just kicks ass of course ;-)
💥THE GIRL WHO LISTENED TO RUSH💥
From the back of the stadium
She’s easy to see
Standing up at the stage
In her Starman tee
From Anthem to Limelight
To YYZ
She’s the girl who listened to Rush
And all of the rockers
And all of the heshers
Well they dreamed of the day
That they might get her
And drive her away
In a Red Barchetta
She’s the girl who listened to Rush
Philosophers and ploughmen
They can’t resist her call
They cannot choose
Not to decide
So they've got no choice at all
They've gotta love her
No she doesn’t say "Pert"
And she doesn’t say "Part"
Yeah, she knows it’s "Neil Peert"
‘Cause he’s close to her heart
Say a prayer for John Rutsey
He was there at the start
She’s the girl who listened to Rush
Philosophers and ploughmen
They can’t resist her call
They cannot choose
Not to decide
So they've got no choice at all
They've gotta love her
Why don’t girls ever listen to Rush? (X a lot)
But she listened to Rush!
The blacksmith and the artist
They can’t resist her call
You cannot choose
Not to decide
So you’ve got no choice at all
No you’ve got no choice at all
You’ve gotta love her
~ Nerf Herder
@Cinder Man
I wish I wrote it!
It was written by a band, Nerf Herder.
I've been a Rushian for 40+ years! Seen them dozens of times in concert! Your daughter sounds amazing!!! The apple does not fall far!
💜💫✌🏼🎵
Amazing song! I listen to a little bit of Rush, and they’re great!!
Hi Chris! To me that end of the line 'kindness that can kill' may refer to religion that's supposed to be full of kindness but in reality kills both metaphorically and gives blessings to wars.
Geddy Lee has said that he stood in line to see Yes longer than for any other band.
I'm a little late to the game here but I have a lot of insight into this particular song. Hopefully you will revisit these comments at some point or perhaps I write this only for the benefit of others in future. There are two shortcuts to understanding the origins of these lyrics.
1) Look up the term "Secular Humanism"
2) Ayn Rand's philosophical treatise; Objectivism. Neils writing as you will come to find out was at one point highly influenced by her novels and ideas about philosophy.
- Throughout this song it should be noted that Neil was a self described agnostic. Ayn Rand was an atheist.
- A ready guide in some celestial voice - refers to one of these or all; the bible, the kuran, etc. The word of God.
- The first verse of this song, you nailed, bang on, better than I ever could have. Bravo!
- Fantom Fears - Unearned guilt. (eg: a child is told that God sees everything you do and will be angry with you if you break his rules, etc. In some households, it is taught that you will burn in hell forever if you slight God.)
- kindness that can kill - according to Ayn Rand, self interest is a virtue while altruism (selflessness in action as a virtue) is not attainable as a virtue because you won't be able to practice it consistently (vituously) without it resulting in your own demise or failure to sustain the happiness you deserve.
- Lotus land refers to Greek mythology of the lotus eaters. They weren't born in lotus land because they "know" the universe is malignant and that providence wants them dead. They can't afford the luxury of apathy as cruel fate will catch up to them and stamp them out of existence. Ayn Rand held that the universe is benevolent to one's aspirations if one chooses to abide by logic and reason and use philosophy to guide one's choices in dealing with reality.
- The typo "can't" should be "You CAN pray for a place" In the context of the song as Neil wrote it; he viewed prayer as a pointless, perhaps even a pathetic endeavour. His views on this definitely softened later on. While he never became a believer, (see the song, "Faithless" on Snakes and Arrows) he did come to see religion as a wondrous phenomenon that was often helpful for people to come to terms with their own mortality, etc. He himself, viewed the exisence of God as an absurd notion devoid of proof.
Without, again reviewing every line of the song, I will say that pretty much every assertion made in the lines of these lyrics are one's that Neil himself strongly disagreed with. That is to say that he was specifically using scathing sarcasm to put his point across to the listener. Quite brilliant, actually. Poetic sarcasm! Who ever heard of such a thing?
I hope that clears up some confusion you may have about the writing of these lyrics. I'm quite confident you can take it from there. I will be hitting the Subscribe button. Keep up the amazing work. It's great!
You should check out witch hunt, one little victory, mission, far cry or subdivisions
It is more complicated than saying that one person is responsible for everything that happens in their life. It's both the environment AND the person's personal agency. Both play a part. Not one or the other. Sometimes the environment will affect the WAY you think and make your choices. Kindness that can kill, is where good intentions might lead to harm.
My point was that a person can only control their themselves. The environmental stuff is more up to chance or deliberate actions from others, which we cannot control.
Hmm an ardent young Calvo debunker. Maybe he's been listening to *Beyond The Fundamentals* if so, good choice!
Enjoyed your review of both Limelight and Freewill. Why not kick back and give Pink Floyds "Time" a go. I would love hear your thoughts
Yes is pretty much British Rush. You got that part pretty much right.
more rush! :)))
I think you missed the point on that whole lyric, You can choose a ready guide in some celestial voice ( God), you can choose not to decide, you still have made a choice ( Just walk away) you can choose phantom fears and kindness that can kill ( Religion) i will choose a path that's clear, i will choose freewill ( My own way)
One of my favorite songs, "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"
Yes inspired Rush. Rush introduced Yes into the Rock Hall of Fame and acknowledged Yes's influence on their band. You can see Rush's introduction of Yes into the Rock Hall of Fame on RUclips. Rush took what Yes did and far exceeded it.