Khyber Pass Colt Copy
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- The Khyber Pass is a region near the Afghan/Pakistan border known for firearms production - particularly for very crude guns made with crude tools. This particular pistol is an excellent example - it looks like a Colt 1911, although it is smaller and more akin to a .32ACP Llama. It is a straight blowback action, and mechanically is actually much more similar to a Spanish Ruby.
"Sold for $345."
Wonder what that bidding was like...
If that’s true then it was 3 fire arms for that price. At that price who cares ha
Bet one of those guys over there could make me a Borchardt C-93 carbine chambered in .43 Spanish with a couple of files and a Nissan Patrol leaf spring if I asked for one...
Yeah and I bet it'll fire as well as a high power, but still gotta respect their ingenuity. I mean, this is just a classic case of really gifted people making due with inferior pistols.
They actually can. And now they have proper cnc machines too.
Vice did a documentary on the khyber pass weapons bazaar and it was informative. It showed how ingenious these people are
They will make anything you want them to make, they take custom orders and believe me I have seen hilarious weapons from there. Which are obviously made for fun.
Necessity is the mother of invention. And if there's one thing that the Afghans consider absolutely essential, it's a gun of some kind. That and hashish.
and heroin to export.
Rana Ali Akhtar Alam Khan Afghan=Pashtun. Pashtuns live in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
@@peterclarke7240 hahahhaha piss off mate, but pashtun DOES = Afghan. similar to the way English and British are synonymous, although there are many ethnic groups in britain. historically afghan = pashtun. you do not know nothing about this area of the world, and if you are interested the please read "the pathans" by Sir Olaf Caroe, he'll enlighten you on the matter. PASHTUN = AFGHAN, AFGHAN = PASHTUN and thats final.
@@booradley6832 Heroin production and exports out of Afghanistan were almost stopped completely in the hayday of the Taliban. Enter the US army and the CIA and guess what? Peak production. Columbia 2.0
All I'm sayin' is know where to point the finger.
It’s Pakistan made bro
No-name junk...I only buy brand names like EnfieldEnfieldEnfield or BrowningBrowningBrowning.
+turbostewi true
lol These are one off handmade weapons....fit for a king...or a tourist. Not those mass produced Chinese Mauser Brownings everyone's talking about.
I'm sorry, but I think you mean BrowningsBrowningsBrownings
turbostewi
Can't forget the FN Belgique Mauser factory, so many classic BrowningsBrowningsBrownings came out of that one...
whatever why is that so god damn funny? lol (actually laughed out loud at that comment)
I just LOVE the Khyber Pass guns. Keep them coming! I don't really know what it is but there is something interesting about people making these guns by hand. It just shows that there are virtually no limits to what a determined individual can do.
i would own and fire this gun
@AF Noorzai visited Pakistan one time. Met some Pasthuns in Peshawar and they invited me to shoot. Damn do they love shooting.
very scary true!
You can visit there as well. They are the most hospitable ppl you can find on this planet & I m not exaggerating.
Also,you will be amazed at the variety of guns that they make.
These ppl are extremely talented who make guns with their bare hands.
Thanks from Khyber
Your videos remind me of what old TV shows on Discovery / History channel used to be like. Informative, interesting, something intelligent to watch.
You obviously know an incredible amount of history on every firearm featured on the channel. As well as even knowing the fieldstripping / disassembly of pretty much every single firearm featured.
I would love to see some modern "known" about firearms at some point. I know it contradicts the focus of the channel, but discussing popular firearms, presented the way you do, would really peak my interest.
Toxicmatrix I know right? I think he is such a great presenter. Ive learned more from this channel than most anything else on youtube. And I think its mainly because of him.
This is my favorite gun channel on youtube.
Pawn stars and swap people isn't intelligent? Get back to me when you get a edgimication and realize what culture is. *drops mic*
I remember the day I gave up on those channels. They were both, simultaneously, running logging reality show marathons.
sergeantbigmac you might like C&Rsenal if you haven’t already discovered them
lassi kinnunen- sure, except that wasn't real logging.loggers hate shows like that. if i walked onto a landing and saw the operation being run like that, i'd shoot the bullbuck and call osha myself.
Khyber Pass gunsmiths, those who has had it passed down through the generations and sticking to only a few specific models which are well liked, reliable while being relatively simple, and to be quite fair.. Those who are good at it.. They're actual GunSMITHS through and through.. Its what they are and its their lifeblood..
Anybody else watch Tales of the Gun back in the 90s on the History Channel and now love watching this?
So, will you ever showcase a well made Khyber Pass gun?
deathpyre42
I have always heard of well made artisan guns from the Khyber Pass, but have yet to see any either
That video will be difficult to make until the point at which such a weapon exists.
+Mikhail Borgachov
You're uneducated.
God Provide an example of one then.
ihave noidea
Khyber pass does pump out a lot of well-made guns, but a lot of junk guns come out of there, too. It’s basically a giant bazaar that’s divided by people with actual stores and people just selling their junk on the street.
I used to have a little .380 Llama, I really loved the little gun, I made a flap type holster for it from one of my old combat boots, using the snap from a drop-box ammo carrier that I got while on the PD when we switched over to the speed loaders. She shot nice, the vent rib was cute to say the least, fit and finish was nice as well. Sadly I sold it to a fellow officer who wanted an off duty gun, I talked to him a few weeks before he died and told him I would like to buy it back, but he traded it off on a Chinese Tokarov in 9mm as he wanted a more powerful gun. He offered to sell that to me but I turned him down on that. He said he still had his Colt Trooper that he carried on the PD. I recall when I went to work on that PD, he brought that revolver over to my house as he couldn''t get the ammo out of the cylinder. I had to take a wooden dowel and a hammer to drive the .357 Mag rounds out as he had never cleaned the poor thing and the brass had corroded into the gun.
The rifling reminds me of new production Remington firearms.
If im not mistaken, in the Khyber Pass guns were made since black powder, and at that time the guns actually were the shit, being better than brittish muskets during first anglo-afghan war.
DudeNumberOnePlus it's all a hit and miss really. some guns are amazing some are more like this.
Yep, the Jezails were very effective. The guns there are still good, they just like to show the god awful ones. But most guns there are actually worth while
@@operationcrazy2696 I think I heard once that the god awful ones are made mostly for tourists
@@ianfinrir8724 or as practice pieces by young people. The lee enfields from Dara are better quality than originals if you get them from the right place
Yeah, Khyber Pass has a LONG history with firearms, Goes way pack to Pakistan and India liberating themselves, and since the brits had banned any none British personnel from having anything to do with weaponry, they managed to get their hands on a few British rifles, picked them apart to understand how they operate, then they preceded to build a bunch up in the mountains.
Really quite an interesting place!
Thanks for making video on my home town khyber pass
I recall reading in one of my old gunsmith books that many kiber pass guns started out as Railroad rails.
Honestly the dedication and quality of these guns are amazing. You can tell they have a lot of effort put into them even if it’s just a “knockoff.”
As for that plunger above the firing pin, I think it might just be a buffer for when you dry fire the gun.
Towe96 I was thinking a buffer, too. Hadn't thought of dry firing, but if the hammer spring is rather strong, maybe its something to protect the firing pin from breaking when caught between the hammer and a primer.
The other "top firing pin" i think its a cartridge chamber indicator.
Very cool, people can bash this all they want, but if given a chunk of steel, I doubt an amateur machinist could make something better. No it's not as refined as modern firearms, but for something hand made by someone working in probably pretty rugged conditions with machinery that's likely decades old, this looks impressive to my eyes! In comparison to my Springfield Armoury M1911A1 Mil Spec... heh, well... no. Again though, it's hand made, and I'd be pressed to make something as high quality as that without YEARS of experience.
NormanMatchem
Pretty elaborate way to brag about your 1911.
We all do, its why we own guns.
actually, the gun makers weigh the money. if they are well paid they work hard on finishing the product. personally they love guns but do not love gun making.
The best I could make would be some kind of single shot smoothbore, so props to these guys.
Do you actually believe this pistol is safe to fire?
The extra plunger I was thinking it was a buffer as well as others for the hammer. It probably serves two functions. First to aid in accidental discharge if dropped and second to prevent over penetration of the primer. The hammer spring is probably stiff and thats how the person chose to compensate for it.
That grip makes me cry.
oh man! kimber's new line of pistols are looking awesome.
I love Khyber Pass guns. If I ever start collecting guns, these are what I will be after. I hope to one day visit the historic Khyber Pass.
Yeah I want to buy an ak47 from them
Thanks
You are welcome
You do a great job ian. Very good grasp of history, manufacture/machining and even language. Bravo.
I know this is a video about the Khyber Pass Colt, but it's so hard to not just drool at all the Lugers behind Ian
I gotta give it up to KB, they’re some ingenious people.
Very cool! It would be awesome to have a whole collection of guns from Khyber pass. Its amazing to see what they can put together out of a bunch of assorted parts.
Khyber pass is a major power in the apocalyptic world of Mad Max
That rifling looks better than my Taurus's. I'm not even kidding.
i would want to ask one of the Khyber Pass gunsmiths to make me a luger lookalike
I love these copy videos, they're a great example of low tech ingenuity.
The funny thing is that I have a copy of the France mab pistol it was made in kayhber pass
It has the same mechanism of the pistol you talked about it here
How do u import it to the USA?
@king hmmm so There's a chance?
@king thanks for the info I appreciate it
Ngl I would trade the IO ak 47 for their handmade ones 😅
@king lmao 😂 and that's how you started the Cuban revolution
Actually a VERY COOL gun. Thank you so much for sharing.
The marking on the grip looks very similar to Thai lettering and is almost identical to how Thai weapons get their registration markings. I'd hazard a guess whoever made this got a pistol from Thailand somehow and just thought "There's something here, might as well copy that".
Love your mystery guns episodes
Another great video Ian! Im really fascinated by these homemade guns for some strange reason. Its just amazing the ingenuity itd take to make a gun by hand in a 3rd world country. Its fascinating to me anyway... I for one am loving these Chinese and Khyber gun videos, so keep them coming!
And it does seem a lot like a Ruby, doesnt it?
Quality actually seems ok, better than most ive seen. I mean its functional and in 32 I bet it would be reasonably safe to shoot. (then again, who knows what the quality of the steel is lol!?)... Im thinking accuracy is not a word often associated with these guns though ;)
Honestly appreciating ❤❤
I think the top button is to rebound the hammer so it isn't right against the firing pin. I've watched this before and it just occurred to me this viewing I love the kyhber pass/chinese mystery pistol videos I could rewatch them a thousand times and they would never get old
The rifling is button rifling done with a homemade button. I've seen rifling done this way at home but if the button is hand made it often looks like crap. This is mainly because the button, being handmade, has varying rake degrees so some passes end up deeper than others. If they also hammered hte button through rather than press it through it will look a lot rougher as well.
The Khyber pass guns are really interesting. The amount of work put into a gun like that would be incredible and almost all by hand with files etc. I wouldn't shoot it unless I had it tied to something and about 30 foot piece of paracord wrapped around the trigger. If you took a young guy from the khyber pass region and put him through a modern gunsmithing school he would probably be an excellent gunsmith.
I learn more watching your channel than I did in high school
“Copy” is a strong word ian
Khyber Pass guns start to be made to fight against British army and then it carried on because they use to be cheaper than Original guns alot of Khyber Pass Guns are made very well. If you buy from cheap workshop they look like the gun you are holding.
When the apocalypse comes Khyber Pass will be an industrial powerhouse
The top spring loaded pin at the back of the slide is most likely a drop safety.
I was thinking the same thing.
8digitPDX
I found that checkering pattern on the back strap interesting. Machining that is not something I would think was within the local capabilities. My only guess would be, they found a frame which had it, cut that section off and forged it to the rest of the frame, or a colt 1903/08 frame was found, and they built the rest around it.
Damn, this thing actually reminds me of my cheap Bryco 38: the trigger mechanisms are almost identical; down to using the grip scales to hold everything together(striker fire though, no hammer), the rifling is practically nonexistent, and even the little chamber indicator(except on a Bryco it's part of the firing pin due to the whole striker fire thing).
Im from Pakistan. These all pistols are made in DARA ADAM KHEL which is also called KHYBER PASS . It is a small territory in one of the Provence of Pakistan namely KPK consisting of almost 3 thousand weapons shops nd countless handmade weapons factories. Workers work in miserable condition are such a amazingly Tallented nd hard working that if you provide them reasonable amount of money they will make you a handmade replic ak47 just as durable nd fine as original which will never stop. You won't even be able to distinguish which one is original. But unfortunately due to security reasons these factories are being closed nd shops are wanishing from the site. there was a time there were more thn 10000 weapon shops out there which number is now decreased to only 3000 nd near future there will be hardly 500 or more shops left in the area. This Is sad fact as DARA ppl deserve support to flourish their talent but instead this market is going to be closed forever within a decade.
@2:45 Those marks are Thai's numbers and alphabets, which those are codes for licenses.
His videos are impossible to tell whether it was uploaded 6 days ago or 6 years ago. Which I guess just goes to show how long and consistently he’s been uploading quality content.
Considering this was probably built with little more than basic hand tools and a block of steel, it seems surprisingly well built for what it is.
In profile it actually looks like a star BM to me, obviously a 1911 copy but the backstrap shape and slide shape specifically looks like a star BM.
There's a handgun cottage industry in Cebu, be good to have a look at one of them up close.
its possible to use a section of a spiral fluted reamer and press it through the bore and you will get a rotation because of the spiral flutes cutting rifling although you cannot predict the rotation but you do get rifling that works
I think I can live without this one, but interesting. Thanks!
Whow, ure talkin bout this gun, iam lookin in the back to all thos Luger 08s :D
Plunger on top is to soften the hit from the hammer when you dry fire it.
I keep up with Scholagladiatoria, and it seems like the Khyber Pass has a very long tradition of unique weapons in general, such as the Charray "Khyber knife", with a T section blade. Good to know that the tradition extended into firearms.
Well khyber knives are used throughout northern india and Afghanistan they only got the name khyber knife because that's where brits encountered them
Thanks
I can't hear 'Khyber Pass' without thinking about Carry On Up the Khyber.
When I was a kid (18 20) I had a Llama 1911 380 that was a pos. 3 times when pulling slide back it would go off once while I was tryin to unload while riding with a friend. Needless to say we couldn't hear for weeks (it was winter windows up) and it looked like a little volcano 🌋 on top of the roof.
Love these videos. Great content, and i always learn new stuff.
i like this better than the original
I believe that top plunger is a cheap way to "decock" the hammer. That is if you want to carry it around with the hammer down it isn't pressing on the firing pin as hard as it should to prevent a accidental discharge.
Still better than a hi-point ;)
"Not actually a machine gun" Something tells me that's the least of the shooter's worries.
I like it this khaypar pass colt copy amazing
No matter how poorly made they may be, they don't lose any wars. when I was there I learned one word in Pushto, Pakool means gun.
We all know Khyber Pass have the best homemade guns. I wonder what the ATF would react when they see the firearms.
2:33 that is an interesting, simple and cool looking trigger mechanism
I have a llama Colt in .22. it's short n sweet. 🤗 With the same controls as a .45 in the A1 style.
The top plunger looks like it might be a buffer to protect the hammer and firing pin, and/or reduce the chance of an accidental discharge if the uncocked hammer gets bumped or partially raised.
Bizarrely neat extra feature on such a relatively crude gun.
ToastyMozart Maybe BECAUSE it's a crude gun.
I couldn't make a gun even that good.
Its 32bore pistol, surprisingly it works quite well...
Interesting. As someone with only theoretical knowledge about firearms (good ol' Europe..), how well would that thing shoot? What would the accuracy and reliability look like and after how many rounds would it start to fall apart (or worse)?
Galgenvogel Really depends on the steel composition and heat treat, plus the viability of the mainspring. It could work fine for thousands of rounds, or it could beat itself to pieces in a few mags.
trailduster6bt Forgotten Weapons Thank you both for the answers!
Galgenvogel It actually appears decent, at least functional, but theres really no way to know.... With guns, you need a high quality steel because youre dealing with such high pressures. Who knows what kinda steel they used!? With 32 acp I bet its ok to shoot a little but accuracy would be terrible with that sewer pipe barrel ;)
Galgenvogel You know you can get guns legally in Europe right?
Nox Aternum Depends where in Europe he lives right?
You should review the llama especial 32 cal
The fact that it has Thai language markings on it, I don't know if it was a khyber pass contract in Thailand, or if it was a copy made by random Thai in the garage.
Khyber pass gunsmith are making now very good latest weapons too
Thanks for Sharing
Maybe the top plunger is a loaded chamber indicator like a P-38?
Muh Gunz Plunges in the wrong direction.
GunRagDave Maybe it was "supposed to be" a loaded indicator but they assembled/built it wrong?
EDSKaR one of those features that is on the original gun but the garage gunsmith puts it there to look the same as original ,thats what i think
The Pakistani Arms Manufacturers are improving alot, I know some of the manufacturers like ROYAL ARMS and MOON star arms are using CNC machines and producing some good quality clones of Glocks and M4s
I think the rifling was made by banging a harder piece of steel plug down the barrel with a slite swist in it to cut the rifling.
Have you checked whether the chamber will accept rimfire ammunition? That's the only purpose I can imagine for the top plunger.
strilight Oh, that's an interesting idea.
broach cutters are used to rifle, those are called lands and grooves(rifling).
If it only was plasible to convins the govrement that it´s not a weapon, it´s a fun thing to show friends.
beautiful imo
in order to make a homemade rifled barrel
one can grind a DIY rifling broach by fixing an angle grinder in lathe tool post.
interesting that you mentioned the safety being similar to the Ruby as I was seeing a lot of similarity to the Ruby's and how they look when taken down
I love these guns made from guy that that make shovels with pots and pans when not making a gun. I wish Ian would do a playlist of Chinese and other bizarre functioning guns.
Looks like a copy of my Colt Govt .380 which is pretty much a Mustang. Awesome boot or pocket pistol, thing shoots like a laser. Easily my most accurate firearm.
that second plunger above the pin is interesting the only thing I could see it being for is to maybe make the gun a bit safer if your carrying it with the hammer down and one up the pipe might make it less likely to go off if you accidentally drop it or something still probably not very safe though
It really is amazing what some of these people in the Middle Eastern mountains can do with a hunk of metal and a file. Sort of like people in Vietnam after the war who collected a bunch of soda cans and made little toys and trinkets.
Thanks for information,
.
I have already listened,
That in Pakistan khayber arie is famous for making modern arms and guns ,
There are available in vary low cost weapons,
Son: mummy I want a colt.
Mam: no son we have colt at home
Colt at home:
“And the Trigger Bone is connected to the Bar Bone, and theBar Bone is connected to the... Hammer Bone! And the Hammer Bone is connected to the Random Marking Bone!” Lmao
There is a story in here. Would be nice to know how it came to the States.
I get the feeling that people don't get the point of these guns. There was gunsmithing and cannon making here maybe for centuries, but the Khyber Pass cottage gunsmithing industry (more correctly the Darra Adamkhel aka the Pass of Adamkhel, which is to the south of the valley) in its current form arisen in response to the British occupation, especially after the Second Anglo-Afghan War.
The Pashtun tribes were essentially left on their own by the Durrani kings in Kabul, and were faced with the entire demographic heft of British India. They had no industrial base, and were excluded from their urban centres which had become British garrisons. Yet decided to rebel, and continued to do so up and down the Durand line till Independence in 1947, and little after in some places. There were not enough British rifles lying around to nick, so it would been impossible without these cottages gunsmiths, who were illegal under British law. And funnily enough, under Pakistani law.
The same industry supplied the Mujahideen during the Russian War, the Afghan Civil War and afterwards too.
These pieces represent a people's refusal to accept their fate in the face of far larger enemies.
But times are a-changing. Some of these guys have moved to Peshawar or Kohat and have setup more formal armouries and use machine tools to make some very convincing looking clones, made of better quality materials.
Look up Afridi Corporation, Farman Armoury or Royal arms here on RUclips.
The pin above the fire pin is for when you put a barrel insert in to fire rimfire.
and BOOM go your fingers.
It does happen sometimes. 😃
@@MrFahadaziz1980 So goes for your entire country
They might use a hydrologic or crank press with a twisting button bore to rifle the barrels.
Absolutely love this channel Ian! I know I'm going a bit off-subject here, but how about covering some iconic contemporary firearms? I'd love to see your take on the SA80 and the LMG version. Keep up the good work!
maybe the secod plunger is there so that the hamer doesn't pushes the firing pin in when it rests
I watched a doc and seen a backyard gunsmith using a hacked up tap and hammer to rifle a barrel