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Gotta toss this in here "If dignity is a right given by God, can man take it away?" Best response: "If life is a right given by God, can man take it away?" Well clearly yes as it happens in reality, and man can take away pretty much any rights of another. Not that there weren't a number of ways to dismantle the argument, I just figured that seemed to be the most direct one.
It seems like the guys is saying. Its okay to punish and lock people up but be very careful not to insult them why you are doing it. In his own mind he is trying to be a good person. But when you do the crime you do the time.
The problem with this video is that Charlie Kirk didn't "embarrass" anyone, in fact he never really addressed the kids actually argument. This kid is trying to argue that "dehumanizing" people, regardless of their actions is wrong. Charlie Kirk should have went with this response: In the examples used, such as the Unabomber, Timothy McVeigh, even Adolph Hitler I would argue that they dehumanized themselves when they stole the lives & basic human dignity of innocent people. Dehumanization isn't always in and of itself wrong, it is most times to be sure. But sometimes the acts of an individual are so vile, so inhumane, so evil that they dehumanize themselves. What are such acts? 1. Murder 2. Rape 3. Genocide 4. Mass Murder I would also argue that dehumanizing innocent people or unjustly accusing someone of dehumanizing someone are lessor forms of dehumanization that we must all watch out for.
@@Hyde472, you did not dismantle the argument. The conditions under which man can take away human life in a way that is morally justifiable are limited and prescribed by the very God from Whom, as the U.S. Declaration of Independence affirms, human dignity and human rights are given.
@@kurthaas4331 I think the Kid got the wrong meaning from that quote. He seems to think that it means don't do what monsters do. What it means is that in achieving a perfect understanding of a monster, one becomes that monster, because that is what a perfect understanding is. The irony is that the Kid warning about doing something is also the one doing it. By the way Murders, rapist etc deserve NO Respect or Dignity PERIOD!
I think what it is which is what it usually is, is promoting self serving ideas into society. Everyone likes respect and status. He's basically wanting it so that if he does something shitty that people disagree with, he's still treated with dignity, respect, and status within society, and not thought of garbage. Tl;DR He doesn't want his own shit to stink.
No, he's saying that treating anyone in an undignified way de-dignifies that society. e.g., The Nazis hid most of their concentration camps, the Gulags were practically in the Arctic circle, most people block their vision when something ugly happens in real life, etc. He's right in an undergraduate sense. The right answer is much more difficult and I posted it in the main thread.
@@kurthaas4331 they can go to hell. I’d be ok with zero right for them. Hell use them for experiments and labor. None of them deserve the lives they have
My brother will never learn hes been.in and out of prison for 25 years and hes only 45 ..3 months here 3 months there out on the street ...weird we were never around anything remotely bad growing up we had everything literally everything we wanted and needed...my @ss was busted on a regular basis for doing stupid kid stuff but he never had an as. S whipping...his dad my step dad would always that I would be the one in prison...and at 50 yrs old now....I've never seen the inside of a county jail lobby..so when he calls for money i make it fun by telling him I just fot back from vacation and things like we bought a house or car...beause he needs to realize its fun to do things free people do.
@@ViaMirage self defense is NOT murder. If you think defending your family at 3am from men inside your home that are trying to hurt your family is murder..then you need help. The literal definition of murder is the UNLAWFUL killing of another. Self defense is LAWFUL.
That's what I was asking, and is often the case with terms that can be broadly used. What is meant by dignity? Because i think the two had different ideas. Like asking someone who says transwomen are women. Well what do you mean by women? The standard definition is females only, theirs seems to be those who are and/or want to be female.
I was thinking we need to define what each them mean by dignity. It seems Charlie Kurt was looking at incarceration as losing dignity but the young man did not believe incarceration took away dignity but debasing or defiling someone does.
The young man is right; preserving humanity is the foundation of the 8th Amendment against cruel and unusual punishment. Kirk is right; those who violate the rights of others must suffer the consequences of losing their own rights. The two ideas are mutually exclusive but these two are failing to communicate effectively. Humanity should not to be taken away but rights may be.
Sorry, the Left now uses wordplay to redefine things when they can’t win the debate on merit. Calling the death penalty cruel and unusual is moronic; it’s common knowledge which states have the death penalty so anyone who chooses to murder clearly knows what may happen.
@@WestCoastAce27 Yep. So many of the problems in the modern world are caused by removal of accountability and consequences for bad behavior. There is such a thing as tough love, both at the family and societal level. We have "looked the other way" far too often. The current generation, to a much larger degree than previously has been shielded. From life, and the consequences of poor choices on many levels. Bad behavior has been rewarded, and good behavior punished for far too long. Time to reverse this wicked and suicidal path.
@@WestCoastAce27 It's funny how you guys think someone who kills is actually sane and self-determined most of the time. Funny like a neon pink axe through the neck. Inevitable conclusion of the previous datum: No, often they do NOT know what is going to happen, depending on the various levels of crazy. Or they feel so beyond help that they want to die. Another datum: Mankind is basically good. Parallel Datum: Many humans will seek death when they think they are beyond help. And they will do it by self-destructing and taking innocents with them, because if they asked for assisted suicide they would be politely abused and indefinitely imprisoned, which is oddly worse to them than just dying. Killing other people so the killer can die or be caged is the only way for them to 'save' other people in their world.
Those ideas are not mutually exclusive. The only reason consequences should exist are 1) to physically prevent those behaviors from taking place, 2) as a deterrent from them or others exhibiting the same behavior. The idea that your should suffer just for the sake of suffering when you commit evil is pure elementary school nonsense. That is how a shallow thinker sees things. A life sentence in prison can meet these objectives without being cruel just for the sake of being cruel.
When someone commits an act of violence on another person, he or she has not only taken away the victim's dignity, but they have taken away their own dignity as well. Charlie is right.
Firstly I agree that criminals should be locked up for their crimes. So what you're saying is that's not good enough? You also want the state to take away someone's dignity and treat them as less human for the crime too? To lower society's standards to that of a common criminal for retribution? How does that make society better? Once they start treating prisoners without dignity and get away with it they'll move on to someone else. That's what happens and before you know it only the rich and powerful are treated with dignity. And don't kid yourself that it can't happen. History has always been like that, its only recently that things have changed and it could easily go back to how it was.
@@stephenhunt2701 dead on I agree if you have payed your debt back and you have been released and not have committed any more crimes should have there rights given back Unless they commit murder,rape,molestation, arson or any bad bad crime don't ever let them out But if you do GIVE THEM THERE DAMN RIGHTS BACK THERE JUST THAT RIGHTS NOT PRIVILEGES
if you have payed your debt back and you have been released and not have committed any more crimes should have there rights given back Unless they commit murder,rape,molestation, arson or any bad bad crime don't ever let them out But if you do GIVE THEM THERE DAMN RIGHTS BACK THERE JUST THAT RIGHTS NOT PRIVILEGES
Yet in any prison all inmates have showers, sunbathes, beds and three meals a day. THAT's dignity, and I don't see it being taken away any time soon. I guess you didn't think through before saying that.
This is turning point UK This is a UK problem Once labour take power the UK will become a communist country The UK won't be able to fight it the way the Americans have Unfortunately
@@darrenweston1618 please don't generalize by using the term UK. Just specify it's the English, don't say the UK. Saying UK ALWAYS MEANS england!!!! Us Scotsman & Irish we NEVER say UK. only the english red coats do. It's an english problem, not a UK problem.
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Thank-you Charlie. My 3yo grand niece was murdered by her mother's boyfriend on Tuesday January 25 2022. You are absolutely right. Murderers deserve no dignity.
I had to actually look up with dignity meant for this, because in my head, I kept equating it with respect. Dignity is a quality of being worthy of respect. I think people are due a basic level of respect, but their actions can alter that respect. After all, respect is earned, not just given freely. When criminals break our laws, they present a threat to society. Keep in mind, these are the laws we make for ourselves through a representative government. The law is the core of our society. By breaking those laws, these people reject the laws and reject society. No society can continue to respect someone who treats them with utter disregard. When the criminal pays his debt to society, he can have his basic level of respect back, but he has to earn it.
He'll most likely either learn, or die at a young age. Unfortunately the level of stupidity, in combination with ignorance... actually no just stupidity he went as far to kind of research but didn't do much at all and thus it shows he knew he should learn more and chose not to do so. So in that case, with the level of stupidity shown, it unfortunately seems like he will end up getting shanked for the money in his wallet and will die with his last words being, "have a good day sir" to the man that killed him.
I will say this kid was going from his heart. He didn’t appear to be the typical freak that tries to argue with Charlie. I got the impression that he just wants everyone to be treated with dignity because we may not know what drove that person to be who/what they’ve become. I get it, but that kid clearly has never experienced the venom of evil up close. If he did, he’d change his tune pretty quick.
Once you start separating humans into who deserves dignity and who doesn't I feel that's dangerous. Evil should be locked up and away from society, but humans need to be treated humanely. Which is why executions have strived to be less painful.
I wonder if he extends that desire for universal dignity to his political enemies for example Trump - would he go and argue against the dehumanising rhetoric Trump was subjected to for four years?
I think Charlie missed the point of what the guy was saying...Charlie seemed to think he was saying that we shouldn't punish those who do evil deeds which isn't what he was trying to say,what he was saying is we should deal with them without using rhetoric that removes their dignity because it also effects OUR dignity as human beings...
Charlie is essentially defining dignity as respect, the other guy is defining dignity as humanity, this is what happens when people aren’t actually listening.
@@nicoledickerson9516 Haha whats weird is that you didnt understand waht I said so you feel the need to try to make fun of me. Did you just want to feel good about yourself? It must be boring home alone. Let me explain. The original comment was pointing out that if a situation is personal, such as your parents being killed by a person, surely the liberal student would change his mind and abandon the law and the rules he agreed to abide by, such as giving that person dignity. The same way that I stated, its like saying if a situation is personal, such as your parents committed a crime, surely you would change your mind, abandon the law the rules you agreed to abide by and not turning your parents in. Im not saying you should or shouldnt Im saying its the same type of argument. The original comment is implying people are so weak and childish that they would let a personal situation make them abandon their morals and ethics. Its just embarrassing that you would view people this way. Says a lot about how you think. Only a small group of people are like that, just like only a small group of people wudnt turn in their parents. And btw, prisoners have dignity.They get medical treatment, they get bathroom facilities, visits from family etc etc human rights type of stuff. in fact the countries that treat prisoners with most dignity, like Denmark, have the highest rehabilitation rates. LOL even people on death row get a last meal request.
I'll give him a bit of credit here. He's coming out of an echo chamber that has told him this, classically conditioned him to believe this emotionally, probably his entire life. It's hard to break that conditioning. We see the cognitive dissonance as he struggles with new ideas. He tries to silence that by doubling down on "I'm really a nice person." Charlie, to his credit, won't let him get away with it. Ultimately respect is earned, and this man is going to have to go into the real world to learn this lesson.
@@kma3647 to me the problem seems to be starting at even grade school, kids aren’t really taught how to think, just what to think. Some people don’t like to ponder things and work them out for themselves. I think we can become too analytical for sure, but we definitely need to at least do some basic analyzing of the information we come across. It’s almost like critical thinking is frowned upon today and the fear of looking dumb is what keeps people in line. Say anything against the oficial narrative and you’re mocked and labeled a conspiracy theorist or hateful. People just want to fit in so you can get them to go along with anything. People also want to be perceived as being smart so they just repeat what they think is the truth without ever really questioning if it is true to begin with. And yeah lots of people live in these bubbles like social media or school that only have one acceptable answer for any given topic.
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I sat next to this kid during the speech. He volunteered with us and had good character, even though we disagreed. We should all strive to be like that.
You gotta love how these people act like committing crimes is something that’s difficult for humans to NOT do. If you don’t like how dehumanizing being arrested is then you should do everything in your power to avoid doing things that will get you arrested. These are the same people who will trip over their own belongings rather than clean them up. They aren’t smart enough to see that THEY and their ACTIONS get them the result they get.
@@AggressivelyMediocre well he's clearly saying that the act of being arrested and imprisoned is necessary. He also wants people arrested and imprisoned. You're making out that he has an issue with people being punished for their crimes, which he doesn't.
@@stephenhunt2701 Not what I’m saying… at all. I’m saying if you don’t like how hard getting arrested is… don’t get arrested. Simply stop breaking laws.
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The kid is making a valid point. He isn't saying that all the people Charlie brought up shouldn't be punished and removed from society. He is saying once removed, you don't stoop to their level.
@@stephenhunt2701 treat criminals with dignity, GTFO. If you’re a piece of 💩 you don’t deserve no no dignity at all. Let the POS pay the price then after that let society evaluate if the POS deserves dignity.
@@carlrichie5416 yeah really intelligent argument. If we start to let the government treat people like POS as you so delicately put it, what's to stop them treating other people like POS? And then pretty soon they'll come after you or a member of your family because they're not a "desirable citizen". To want your government and therefore society to treat people like they are worthless is a very scary prospect. Ask the people in 1930s Germany how that went.
Im struggling to believe Charlie has a good grasp on what dignity means. He kind of eventually got there, but I think dude asking him 30 different ways shaped his understanding in real time.
This guy either doesn't know what dignity is or he's playing with the meaning of the word. I can understand the issue of upholding due process and so on. However, there is no way to demand compassion for murderers or for apologists for violence and fascism.
@@c.s.7097 dude in all fairness I myself would make sure I could pronounce a persons name especially if I'm quoting something from that person. I'm silly like that
Ah college. The idyllic life where thoughts float like butterflies above one's head and time is but a inconvenience in the pursuit of perfection. Then you step in front of a bus and reality says "Oh hi. Did you forget something?"
This is probably the first time ever I've agreed with the question asker over Charlie, who refused to comment on what the questioner was actually saying. Yes, people who commit crimes should be in prison if they represent a clear and present danger to others. Nobody was disagreeing with that. That doesn't mean that the criminal is no longer a human being deserving of basic human dignity. We can take away their freedom and rights, but we must never lower ourselves to viewing people as objects. We are all children of God, and we have all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. All human life is precious and regardless of the decisions someone has made which may violate social norms, laws, or morality, they are still entitled to basic human dignity.
@frost ice Wow. Again, completely missing the point. Did I suggest anywhere that people shouldn't be punished for their crimes? No, I did not. With your logic though, let's just do medical experiments on prisoners, or beat them to a pulp every day for fun. After all, in your mind they aren't human beings anymore. Your conscience does in fact appear to be "frost ice". Sorry, but every human being has worth from the moment of conception to natural death. Abortion is just as disgusting as the death penalty. Crimes deserve punishment, but the redemptive power of Jesus Christ is available to all. PSALM 69:33. "The Lord hears the needy and does not despise his captive people." MATTHEW 25:34-40 "Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.' Denying the dignity inherent in every human being is just flat wrong and has historically led to terrible genocides. When you deny the humanity in others, you lose it in yourself.
"Beware when fighting monsters, for you yourself become a monster." Some do. Some don't. It all depends on whether you're fighting monsters because you enjoy the bloodlust of the fight, or are you fighting monsters because they are monsters.
It’s good to see Charlie responding in a calmer manner. The words get through people when it’s not an intense situation like an argument. It becomes an actual dialogue where both parties are receptive to each other. In this case, the liberal was open to the facts Charlie was speaking
What is missing from the video is the definition of dignity and what it means to give dignity to another person. Charlie and the student were speaking past each other.
One thing I have learned in life, now that I am in my late sixties is just how incredibly stupid people are willing to show themselves up as stupid and ridiculous and all in the name of virtual signalling. It seems we have a couple of generations of people who truly believe that attracting attention to themselves and selling themselves as intellectually and morally superior being is the way to go. What they do not realise is that to those of us who are Woke Free, we can see clearly just how desperate these little people are for attention.
We need to post "stop wanting to be the victim" on billboards across this country. I'm soooo sick of everyone being a victim nowadays. Boo frickin hoo. Get over whatever ur hardships r and strive to be more. Like Morgan Freeman said, let's stop talking about racism. We were so close and now so far away... Sad
This guys argument is that rights are supposed to be innately given to everyone, so that if you’re a person you have those undeniable rights. Which is the foregrounds of all American rights. The logical inconsistency is that society shouldn’t be able to strip away rights from people, if those rights are intrinsic to a person. So either those rights aren’t actually intrinsic, or society is doing a disservice to those people whose rights are being stripped. I guess you could also argue that those rights are intrinsic but to the person whose rights were stripped away acting nonhuman, we now categorize them as a monster rather then human. The logic in this topic is confusing, but I do believe society is currently doing it right by stripping some rights away after doing malicious acts. Before commenting understand that this is a comment to unravel the truth rather then argue about it.
Good points all, my feeling is we are endowed at birth with certain rights, that others may not remove without cause. The person that can take away ones rights is himself, by committing such egregious acts that warrant their removal. Every civilized society has always had to protect the whole from the aberrant few.
I guess I understand the student's point, and quite frankly he's just pointing out reality. Even inmates have dignity: they're given the opportunity to shower every day, sunbathe, sleep in warm beds and have regular meals. Every day. That's the very definition of living with dignity, and Charlie would never have disagreed with that. Had he AT LEAST asked the student to define dignity. But no, the two bucked heads all the time, saying THE VERY SAME THING.
The guy was being very patient and respectful so Charlie missed an opportunity to get to the root of what they guy was saying. Or maybe the guy would’ve had a disagreement with how prisoners are treated, who knows now. Or like you said they would have realized that they agree on this subject.
The two were referring to completely different things. While the student agreed that criminals should be imprisoned, he advocated for a mending of self by not treating the criminal as an object, but to rather put him in prison and ensure that he is treated humanely. I agree. Take the accused 1/6 prisoners for an example. They're being held in solitary confinement and have been mistreated. I don't understand why Charlie kept returning to the same subject of imprisonment, even calling a comment stupid, when the student was clearly talking about self improvement and what we should expect of ourselves and those who imprison others...defensiveness, perhaps? The student didn't suggest that prisoners should be treated as you might treat someone who never committed a crime, but distinctly called for respecting the dignity of a human being, which might be confinement that is not abusive, food that is not stale or insect-infested, treatment that is not abusive and the like. If we're going to lock someone up, then we have the obligation as human beings to treat that person as though they have the human dignity that they, themselves, attempted to erase by virtue of the crime they committed.
Throwing someone in prison for the rest of their lives or subjecting them to capital punishment is NOT treating them with dignity. Further, subjecting someone to capital punishment is not the same as committing murder.
@Josef Smonkin EXACTLY! Charlie missed a prime opportunity there. Charlie should have just said, “oh, so you believe imprisoning someone for life is demonstrating dignity toward them? I don’t think that word means what you think it means.”
U haven't done time have u? Prison's are a good life man, no 1 takes their dignity away Ur treated very well in prisons They take their own away when they shoot heroin on a park bench tho
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Honestly trying to understand this guy's position. I think he's trying to make the argument that it would be morally wrong to, for example, torture a murderer because they are still human, no matter how horrible their past actions have been?
You just proved the point. Dignity is inherent in human beings. You cannot vote to take it away. The Nazis and the Soviets did exactly what you suggest; were they right or wrong in doing it?
You mean like you've just stated? One rule of civilised society is that we're better than them because we don't act like them. Black and white feels so nice, until you're falsely accused or worse - you actually did it and then everyone 'proves' you right by ripping you apart.
"We shouldn't stoop to the level we're trying to stop." Spoken by a useless person who is showing us he cannot differentiate between mean words and murder, because mean words are the lowest level of suffering he's ever experienced, and so he cannot fathom or empathize with anything worse.
I *HATE* when people bring up that 'the abyss gazes also' quote, as if it means you should never fight back. Fucking fuck no. It says "beware", as in, yes, there is a danger if you proceed. It's weak to never look at the abyss. It's a tragedy if you look into the abyss and it consumes you. But the third step is to walk in and come back out. Practice fighting evil until you can do so with a clean conscience and no temptation to corruption. Am I mistaken that this is the whole philosophy of martial arts? Train yourself to be so good, you may never actually have to use your skills?
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Gotta toss this in here
"If dignity is a right given by God, can man take it away?"
Best response:
"If life is a right given by God, can man take it away?"
Well clearly yes as it happens in reality, and man can take away pretty much any rights of another.
Not that there weren't a number of ways to dismantle the argument, I just figured that seemed to be the most direct one.
It seems like the guys is saying. Its okay to punish and lock people up but be very careful not to insult them why you are doing it. In his own mind he is trying to be a good person. But when you do the crime you do the time.
The problem with this video is that Charlie Kirk didn't "embarrass" anyone, in fact he never really addressed the kids actually argument. This kid is trying to argue that "dehumanizing" people, regardless of their actions is wrong. Charlie Kirk should have went with this response:
In the examples used, such as the Unabomber, Timothy McVeigh, even Adolph Hitler I would argue that they dehumanized themselves when they stole the lives & basic human dignity of innocent people. Dehumanization isn't always in and of itself wrong, it is most times to be sure. But sometimes the acts of an individual are so vile, so inhumane, so evil that they dehumanize themselves. What are such acts?
1. Murder
2. Rape
3. Genocide
4. Mass Murder
I would also argue that dehumanizing innocent people or unjustly accusing someone of dehumanizing someone are lessor forms of dehumanization that we must all watch out for.
OMG these humans are coming…
@@Hyde472, you did not dismantle the argument. The conditions under which man can take away human life in a way that is morally justifiable are limited and prescribed by the very God from Whom, as the U.S. Declaration of Independence affirms, human dignity and human rights are given.
Does he really think a cold-blooded murderer, sitting in prison, or on death row, gives a rats ass about dignity?
@@kurthaas4331 I think the Kid got the wrong meaning from that quote. He seems to think that it means don't do what monsters do. What it means is that in achieving a perfect understanding of a monster, one becomes that monster, because that is what a perfect understanding is. The irony is that the Kid warning about doing something is also the one doing it. By the way Murders, rapist etc deserve NO Respect or Dignity PERIOD!
These murderers, rapists etc have clearly got mental problems so it's not worth trying to dignify such people, you just can't
I think what it is which is what it usually is, is promoting self serving ideas into society. Everyone likes respect and status.
He's basically wanting it so that if he does something shitty that people disagree with, he's still treated with dignity, respect, and status within society, and not thought of garbage.
Tl;DR He doesn't want his own shit to stink.
No, he's saying that treating anyone in an undignified way de-dignifies that society. e.g., The Nazis hid most of their concentration camps, the Gulags were practically in the Arctic circle, most people block their vision when something ugly happens in real life, etc. He's right in an undergraduate sense. The right answer is much more difficult and I posted it in the main thread.
@@kurthaas4331 they can go to hell. I’d be ok with zero right for them. Hell use them for experiments and labor. None of them deserve the lives they have
Isn't having a fair hearing, trial by jury, 5th ammendment etc. a form of dignity bestowed on the accused?
If it works the way it's supposed to.
Most of the time it does....
I think by giving these murderers a roof over their head, warmth and three meals a day is giving them more dignity than they deserve tbh.
My brother will never learn hes been.in and out of prison for 25 years and hes only 45 ..3 months here 3 months there out on the street ...weird we were never around anything remotely bad growing up we had everything literally everything we wanted and needed...my @ss was busted on a regular basis for doing stupid kid stuff but he never had an as. S whipping...his dad my step dad would always that I would be the one in prison...and at 50 yrs old now....I've never seen the inside of a county jail lobby..so when he calls for money i make it fun by telling him I just fot back from vacation and things like we bought a house or car...beause he needs to realize its fun to do things free people do.
My point exactly.
@@kurthaas4331 lol..you gotta be kidding. He doesn't understand it? So please explain your stance vs Charlie's.
Not all murderers are equal. Some murder in self defense and yet are still murderers.
@@ViaMirage self defense is NOT murder. If you think defending your family at 3am from men inside your home that are trying to hurt your family is murder..then you need help. The literal definition of murder is the UNLAWFUL killing of another. Self defense is LAWFUL.
Charlie needed to ask him what the questioner meant by "dignity."
This guy needs to first define what he means by dignity before demanding that we treat criminals with "dignity".
Agreed my dignity does not come from others but myself.
Wonderful, excellent point.
That's what I was asking, and is often the case with terms that can be broadly used. What is meant by dignity? Because i think the two had different ideas.
Like asking someone who says transwomen are women. Well what do you mean by women? The standard definition is females only, theirs seems to be those who are and/or want to be female.
I was thinking we need to define what each them mean by dignity. It seems Charlie Kurt was looking at incarceration as losing dignity but the young man did not believe incarceration took away dignity but debasing or defiling someone does.
Thats exactly what I was thinking, what is dignity for this guy?
The young man is right; preserving humanity is the foundation of the 8th Amendment against cruel and unusual punishment. Kirk is right; those who violate the rights of others must suffer the consequences of losing their own rights. The two ideas are mutually exclusive but these two are failing to communicate effectively. Humanity should not to be taken away but rights may be.
Sorry, the Left now uses wordplay to redefine things when they can’t win the debate on merit. Calling the death penalty cruel and unusual is moronic; it’s common knowledge which states have the death penalty so anyone who chooses to murder clearly knows what may happen.
@@WestCoastAce27 Yep. So many of the problems in the modern world are caused by removal of accountability and consequences for bad behavior. There is such a thing as tough love, both at the family and societal level. We have "looked the other way" far too often. The current generation, to a much larger degree than previously has been shielded. From life, and the consequences of poor choices on many levels. Bad behavior has been rewarded, and good behavior punished for far too long. Time to reverse this wicked and suicidal path.
@@WestCoastAce27 It's funny how you guys think someone who kills is actually sane and self-determined most of the time. Funny like a neon pink axe through the neck. Inevitable conclusion of the previous datum: No, often they do NOT know what is going to happen, depending on the various levels of crazy. Or they feel so beyond help that they want to die. Another datum: Mankind is basically good. Parallel Datum: Many humans will seek death when they think they are beyond help. And they will do it by self-destructing and taking innocents with them, because if they asked for assisted suicide they would be politely abused and indefinitely imprisoned, which is oddly worse to them than just dying. Killing other people so the killer can die or be caged is the only way for them to 'save' other people in their world.
Those ideas are not mutually exclusive. The only reason consequences should exist are 1) to physically prevent those behaviors from taking place, 2) as a deterrent from them or others exhibiting the same behavior. The idea that your should suffer just for the sake of suffering when you commit evil is pure elementary school nonsense. That is how a shallow thinker sees things. A life sentence in prison can meet these objectives without being cruel just for the sake of being cruel.
Bang on!
When someone commits an act of violence on another person, he or she has not only taken away the victim's dignity, but they have taken away their own dignity as well.
Charlie is right.
I was waiting for Charlie to say that! Thank you!!
Firstly I agree that criminals should be locked up for their crimes. So what you're saying is that's not good enough? You also want the state to take away someone's dignity and treat them as less human for the crime too? To lower society's standards to that of a common criminal for retribution? How does that make society better? Once they start treating prisoners without dignity and get away with it they'll move on to someone else. That's what happens and before you know it only the rich and powerful are treated with dignity. And don't kid yourself that it can't happen. History has always been like that, its only recently that things have changed and it could easily go back to how it was.
@@stephenhunt2701 dead on I agree if you have payed your debt back and you have been released and not have committed any more crimes should have there rights given back
Unless they commit murder,rape,molestation, arson or any bad bad crime don't ever let them out
But if you do GIVE THEM THERE DAMN RIGHTS BACK
THERE JUST THAT RIGHTS NOT PRIVILEGES
if you have payed your debt back and you have been released and not have committed any more crimes should have there rights given back
Unless they commit murder,rape,molestation, arson or any bad bad crime don't ever let them out
But if you do GIVE THEM THERE DAMN RIGHTS BACK
THERE JUST THAT RIGHTS NOT PRIVILEGES
Yet in any prison all inmates have showers, sunbathes, beds and three meals a day. THAT's dignity, and I don't see it being taken away any time soon. I guess you didn't think through before saying that.
'Maybe if we just be nice to everyone, there will never be evil people.' -an idealist who has never been the victim of a crime.
Wow! America is messed up with young people like this coming out of today's colleges!
This is turning point UK
This is a UK problem
Once labour take power the UK will become a communist country
The UK won't be able to fight it the way the Americans have
Unfortunately
@@darrenweston1618 you think usa is any better? 😂 usa is also becoming communistic with the democrats.
@@darrenweston1618 please don't generalize by using the term UK. Just specify it's the English, don't say the UK. Saying UK ALWAYS MEANS england!!!! Us Scotsman & Irish we NEVER say UK. only the english red coats do.
It's an english problem, not a UK problem.
@@portobelloedinburgh8891
Not sorry even slightly...
Ur hate is ur problem not mine
@@darrenweston1618 not a hateful bone in my body kid. Just telling you to be specific & say england instead of UK bc you're referring to eng.
Letting them live however long in prison, with all the comforts that are provided there, is more dignity than they deserve.
Talk about virtue signalling. This guy absolutely loves himself.
I disagree, he is seeking answers. I don't believe he loves himself at all! - BTW, I'm conservative, certainly not a liberal.
The bloke with the mask was correct. Charlie Kirk was talking utter shite
@@stephenhunt2701 agreed… he just couldn’t express himself. And the kid could have just asked Charlie if he believes he is a Christian.
@@stephenhunt2701 how was he correct. Explain
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One can only have his dignity taken away by HIMSELF, via his own words or actions……………
Thank-you Charlie. My 3yo grand niece was murdered by her mother's boyfriend on Tuesday January 25 2022. You are absolutely right. Murderers deserve no dignity.
May God bless you and give you and your family the strength to forbear this horrific time!
With deepest sympathy,
Andy and Annmarie
But what if they repent like Saul/Paul did?
@@malteserjones1502 But what if they don't?
@@stanleydavidlepretre4241 That’s already been answered. What if they repent? That hasn’t been answered.
@Malteser Jones
repentance doesn’t mean that you are free from from consequences from your actions.
I had to actually look up with dignity meant for this, because in my head, I kept equating it with respect. Dignity is a quality of being worthy of respect. I think people are due a basic level of respect, but their actions can alter that respect. After all, respect is earned, not just given freely. When criminals break our laws, they present a threat to society. Keep in mind, these are the laws we make for ourselves through a representative government. The law is the core of our society. By breaking those laws, these people reject the laws and reject society. No society can continue to respect someone who treats them with utter disregard. When the criminal pays his debt to society, he can have his basic level of respect back, but he has to earn it.
This is basically him saying " guys guys guys, im a REALLY good person '
Lets hope he never pays the price for his suicidal empathy.
Don't bring "unintelligent sad feelings to a CK FACT argument". Hilarious failure
Who brainwashes these halfwits
@@brianhannon3253 Brandon.
Better option: Let's hope WE never pay the price for his suicidal empathy.
He'll most likely either learn, or die at a young age. Unfortunately the level of stupidity, in combination with ignorance... actually no just stupidity he went as far to kind of research but didn't do much at all and thus it shows he knew he should learn more and chose not to do so. So in that case, with the level of stupidity shown, it unfortunately seems like he will end up getting shanked for the money in his wallet and will die with his last words being, "have a good day sir" to the man that killed him.
Dignity and Respect are earned
I will say this kid was going from his heart. He didn’t appear to be the typical freak that tries to argue with Charlie. I got the impression that he just wants everyone to be treated with dignity because we may not know what drove that person to be who/what they’ve become.
I get it, but that kid clearly has never experienced the venom of evil up close. If he did, he’d change his tune pretty quick.
Youre right hes just naive and sheltered...hes in for a big shock when he moves out of home or has his first fight
Once you start separating humans into who deserves dignity and who doesn't I feel that's dangerous. Evil should be locked up and away from society, but humans need to be treated humanely. Which is why executions have strived to be less painful.
not the typical, but would willingly work to put people on the boxcars to be right.
I wonder if he extends that desire for universal dignity to his political enemies for example Trump - would he go and argue against the dehumanising rhetoric Trump was subjected to for four years?
I think Charlie missed the point of what the guy was saying...Charlie seemed to think he was saying that we shouldn't punish those who do evil deeds which isn't what he was trying to say,what he was saying is we should deal with them without using rhetoric that removes their dignity because it also effects OUR dignity as human beings...
Charlie is essentially defining dignity as respect, the other guy is defining dignity as humanity, this is what happens when people aren’t actually listening.
This guy was naive as hell.
Neither one of them seem to have a definition of “dignity” that works.
Let's see how he wants to give criminals dignity when someone kills his parents.
I was thinking 🤔 exactly the same thing!
I was thinking the SAME thing... especially if his parents are PAYING for his "education."
lol u sound like child, its like saying murderes should go to jail, ok lets see you enforce that if your parents committ a murder.
@@WhateverWhateverwtghvh so you could KNOW your parents murdered someone in cold blood and you wouldn’t turn them in … weird.
@@nicoledickerson9516 Haha whats weird is that you didnt understand waht I said so you feel the need to try to make fun of me. Did you just want to feel good about yourself? It must be boring home alone.
Let me explain.
The original comment was pointing out that if a situation is personal, such as your parents being killed by a person, surely the liberal student would change his mind and abandon the law and the rules he agreed to abide by, such as giving that person dignity. The same way that I stated, its like saying if a situation is personal, such as your parents committed a crime, surely you would change your mind, abandon the law the rules you agreed to abide by and not turning your parents in.
Im not saying you should or shouldnt Im saying its the same type of argument.
The original comment is implying people are so weak and childish that they would let a personal situation make them abandon their morals and ethics. Its just embarrassing that you would view people this way. Says a lot about how you think. Only a small group of people are like that, just like only a small group of people wudnt turn in their parents.
And btw, prisoners have dignity.They get medical treatment, they get bathroom facilities, visits from family etc etc human rights type of stuff. in fact the countries that treat prisoners with most dignity, like Denmark, have the highest rehabilitation rates.
LOL even people on death row get a last meal request.
That dude needs to worry about something other than the dignity of evil doers
It’s easy to suggest still treating criminals with dignity……..until it effects YOU personally.
Vengeance is mine says the Lord. funny how God treated his enemies (all of mankind) with dignity and it was very personal when He (Jesus) died.
@@carlpeterson8182 try not to compare yourself to God
@@misterman6369 huh? I was speaking about God and what he did.
ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
@@misterman6369 Amen. lol That's never a good look, and it certainly won't make me want to support your cause.
"dignity" is not a "right" - what the hell is wrong with this kids brain? dignity is EARNED.
He thinks he's so smart, yet he truly do not understand the meaning of the word " dignity ".
You're never going to get through to these fools
Damn!… this guy doubles and triples down. He wants to be right.
“Hey man I’m so nice look at how nice I am”
its because in his circles they all agree with them. These people get an idea and nobody around them has the courage to say it is a bad idea.
He has to be right or all the money his parents spent to send him to college was wasted.
I'll give him a bit of credit here. He's coming out of an echo chamber that has told him this, classically conditioned him to believe this emotionally, probably his entire life. It's hard to break that conditioning. We see the cognitive dissonance as he struggles with new ideas. He tries to silence that by doubling down on "I'm really a nice person." Charlie, to his credit, won't let him get away with it. Ultimately respect is earned, and this man is going to have to go into the real world to learn this lesson.
@@kma3647 to me the problem seems to be starting at even grade school, kids aren’t really taught how to think, just what to think. Some people don’t like to ponder things and work them out for themselves.
I think we can become too analytical for sure, but we definitely need to at least do some basic analyzing of the information we come across. It’s almost like critical thinking is frowned upon today and the fear of looking dumb is what keeps people in line. Say anything against the oficial narrative and you’re mocked and labeled a conspiracy theorist or hateful. People just want to fit in so you can get them to go along with anything. People also want to be perceived as being smart so they just repeat what they think is the truth without ever really questioning if it is true to begin with.
And yeah lots of people live in these bubbles like social media or school that only have one acceptable answer for any given topic.
When a person behaves monstrous or in-human, that is when we are no longer required to treat them with human dignity.
The burning question Charlie needed to ask is to qualify and quantify what he means by dignity.
Wow.. worrying about murderers dignity.,that's new!
Allowing people to live on the streets is undignified. See democrat run cities as examples.
"Allowing"?
So we should take away their right to live as they see fit?
"If you want to dramatically get rid of the homeless situation to nowhere near what it is now, simply
STOP FEEDING them." /s/ Thomas Sowell (Don't believe me? Look it up... right here on RUclips.)
I sat next to this kid during the speech. He volunteered with us and had good character, even though we disagreed. We should all strive to be like that.
Poor speaker, poor planner, good intentions and good idea. Been there.
You gotta love how these people act like committing crimes is something that’s difficult for humans to NOT do. If you don’t like how dehumanizing being arrested is then you should do everything in your power to avoid doing things that will get you arrested.
These are the same people who will trip over their own belongings rather than clean them up. They aren’t smart enough to see that THEY and their ACTIONS get them the result they get.
He clearly said they should be arrested and locked up for doing a crime. Didn't you listen to what he said?
@@stephenhunt2701 And???
@@AggressivelyMediocre well he's clearly saying that the act of being arrested and imprisoned is necessary. He also wants people arrested and imprisoned. You're making out that he has an issue with people being punished for their crimes, which he doesn't.
@@stephenhunt2701 Not what I’m saying… at all.
I’m saying if you don’t like how hard getting arrested is… don’t get arrested. Simply stop breaking laws.
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The kid is making a valid point. He isn't saying that all the people Charlie brought up shouldn't be punished and removed from society. He is saying once removed, you don't stoop to their level.
The mask guy failed in all arguments against Charlie.
@@kurthaas4331 yea….you sound like the masked guy.
The bloke in the mask didn't fail at all. He made perfect sense. So much so that Charlie Kirk deliberately didn't answer him.
@@stephenhunt2701 treat criminals with dignity, GTFO. If you’re a piece of 💩 you don’t deserve no no dignity at all. Let the POS pay the price then after that let society evaluate if the POS deserves dignity.
@@carlrichie5416 yeah really intelligent argument. If we start to let the government treat people like POS as you so delicately put it, what's to stop them treating other people like POS? And then pretty soon they'll come after you or a member of your family because they're not a "desirable citizen". To want your government and therefore society to treat people like they are worthless is a very scary prospect. Ask the people in 1930s Germany how that went.
No, no he didn’t. There was a lack of accurate communication . Both of them held reasonable points.
Im struggling to believe Charlie has a good grasp on what dignity means. He kind of eventually got there, but I think dude asking him 30 different ways shaped his understanding in real time.
Hate to break it to the kid, but the bombers lose their dignity after they took away the dignity of their victims
@@kurthaas4331 they should not get any rights
It’s easy to be like this when you still live at home.They have too much time in their hands playing video games playing with their phones
This guy either doesn't know what dignity is or he's playing with the meaning of the word.
I can understand the issue of upholding due process and so on. However, there is no way to demand compassion for murderers or for apologists for violence and fascism.
I think he "feels" that words are a social construct so can be adapted to whatever point he learned from his liberal professor
"Fascism" is a word you dont know the meaning of
I can't believe there are people out there that don't understand basic right and wrong.
He tried to quote from a name he couldn’t pronounce, that should tell you everything you need to know about whether you should listen to him.
The very fact that he wore a mask told me all I needed to know about him.
@@firesight968 true
Lol. I think Dostoevsky would have been better used in this debate just suppose he didn't want to try pronouncing that
Dude in all fairness I'm sure he, you, and I all mispronounce his name
@@c.s.7097 dude in all fairness I myself would make sure I could pronounce a persons name especially if I'm quoting something from that person. I'm silly like that
Why would you give dignity to ANYONE that took a life?
“Do you understand though”
“NO”
Sadly, we have to waste our time discussing stupidity.
Ah college. The idyllic life where thoughts float like butterflies above one's head and time is but a inconvenience in the pursuit of perfection. Then you step in front of a bus and reality says "Oh hi. Did you forget something?"
This is probably the first time ever I've agreed with the question asker over Charlie, who refused to comment on what the questioner was actually saying. Yes, people who commit crimes should be in prison if they represent a clear and present danger to others. Nobody was disagreeing with that. That doesn't mean that the criminal is no longer a human being deserving of basic human dignity. We can take away their freedom and rights, but we must never lower ourselves to viewing people as objects. We are all children of God, and we have all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. All human life is precious and regardless of the decisions someone has made which may violate social norms, laws, or morality, they are still entitled to basic human dignity.
@frost ice Wow. Again, completely missing the point. Did I suggest anywhere that people shouldn't be punished for their crimes? No, I did not. With your logic though, let's just do medical experiments on prisoners, or beat them to a pulp every day for fun. After all, in your mind they aren't human beings anymore. Your conscience does in fact appear to be "frost ice".
Sorry, but every human being has worth from the moment of conception to natural death. Abortion is just as disgusting as the death penalty. Crimes deserve punishment, but the redemptive power of Jesus Christ is available to all. PSALM 69:33. "The Lord hears the needy and does not despise his captive people." MATTHEW 25:34-40
"Then the King will say to those on his right, 'Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'
Denying the dignity inherent in every human being is just flat wrong and has historically led to terrible genocides. When you deny the humanity in others, you lose it in yourself.
Well said, Mr. Hine; that has always been the Christian perspective.
@frost ice Try again. "What you do to the least of these, you do to me."
"Beware when fighting monsters, for you yourself become a monster." Some do. Some don't. It all depends on whether you're fighting monsters because you enjoy the bloodlust of the fight, or are you fighting monsters because they are monsters.
This poor soul has completely disconnected from reality.
It’s good to see Charlie responding in a calmer manner. The words get through people when it’s not an intense situation like an argument. It becomes an actual dialogue where both parties are receptive to each other. In this case, the liberal was open to the facts Charlie was speaking
I thought the same thing.
They treated each other with dignity.
Murder seems like a decent minimum to treat people with dignity
What is missing from the video is the definition of dignity and what it means to give dignity to another person. Charlie and the student were speaking past each other.
Substitute "dignity" for "courtesy." Courtesy is bestowed. Respect, dignity are earned.
One thing I have learned in life, now that I am in my late sixties is just how incredibly stupid people are willing to show themselves up as stupid and ridiculous and all in the name of virtual signalling. It seems we have a couple of generations of people who truly believe that attracting attention to themselves and selling themselves as intellectually and morally superior being is the way to go. What they do not realise is that to those of us who are Woke Free, we can see clearly just how desperate these little people are for attention.
We need to post "stop wanting to be the victim" on billboards across this country. I'm soooo sick of everyone being a victim nowadays. Boo frickin hoo. Get over whatever ur hardships r and strive to be more. Like Morgan Freeman said, let's stop talking about racism. We were so close and now so far away... Sad
They must be dignified to be treated with dignity
Really all in society should be given due process.
That statement says more about YOU than it does THEM.
@@jkknight9209 no it doesn’t you get what you give , it’s common sense
Pretty simple answer once somebody commits crimes against humanity they are no longer deserving of dignity.
This guys argument is that rights are supposed to be innately given to everyone, so that if you’re a person you have those undeniable rights. Which is the foregrounds of all American rights.
The logical inconsistency is that society shouldn’t be able to strip away rights from people, if those rights are intrinsic to a person. So either those rights aren’t actually intrinsic, or society is doing a disservice to those people whose rights are being stripped.
I guess you could also argue that those rights are intrinsic but to the person whose rights were stripped away acting nonhuman, we now categorize them as a monster rather then human.
The logic in this topic is confusing, but I do believe society is currently doing it right by stripping some rights away after doing malicious acts.
Before commenting understand that this is a comment to unravel the truth rather then argue about it.
Good points all, my feeling is we are endowed at birth with certain rights, that others may not remove without cause. The person that can take away ones rights is himself, by committing such egregious acts that warrant their removal. Every civilized society has always had to protect the whole from the aberrant few.
i think his point is just that we should treat prisoners better.
He's confusing "dignity" with "humanely".
I guess I understand the student's point, and quite frankly he's just pointing out reality. Even inmates have dignity: they're given the opportunity to shower every day, sunbathe, sleep in warm beds and have regular meals. Every day. That's the very definition of living with dignity, and Charlie would never have disagreed with that. Had he AT LEAST asked the student to define dignity. But no, the two bucked heads all the time, saying THE VERY SAME THING.
The guy was being very patient and respectful so Charlie missed an opportunity to get to the root of what they guy was saying. Or maybe the guy would’ve had a disagreement with how prisoners are treated, who knows now. Or like you said they would have realized that they agree on this subject.
People who commit heinous crimes aren't entitled to dignity or respect.
Dignity the state or quality of being worthy of honour or respect, they does not know the definition, Kirk should have just made it more clearly.
You remove your own dignity when you commit crimes.
The two were referring to completely different things. While the student agreed that criminals should be imprisoned, he advocated for a mending of self by not treating the criminal as an object, but to rather put him in prison and ensure that he is treated humanely. I agree. Take the accused 1/6 prisoners for an example. They're being held in solitary confinement and have been mistreated. I don't understand why Charlie kept returning to the same subject of imprisonment, even calling a comment stupid, when the student was clearly talking about self improvement and what we should expect of ourselves and those who imprison others...defensiveness, perhaps? The student didn't suggest that prisoners should be treated as you might treat someone who never committed a crime, but distinctly called for respecting the dignity of a human being, which might be confinement that is not abusive, food that is not stale or insect-infested, treatment that is not abusive and the like. If we're going to lock someone up, then we have the obligation as human beings to treat that person as though they have the human dignity that they, themselves, attempted to erase by virtue of the crime they committed.
I agree!!!!!
What do you mean by "dignity"?
Define it...
Throwing someone in prison for the rest of their lives or subjecting them to capital punishment is NOT treating them with dignity.
Further, subjecting someone to capital punishment is not the same as committing murder.
@Josef Smonkin EXACTLY! Charlie missed a prime opportunity there. Charlie should have just said, “oh, so you believe imprisoning someone for life is demonstrating dignity toward them? I don’t think that word means what you think it means.”
So F'n What dude?
U haven't done time have u?
Prison's are a good life man, no 1 takes their dignity away
Ur treated very well in prisons
They take their own away when they shoot heroin on a park bench tho
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In what fantasy world you have to live in to argue criminal and murderers have any dignity ???
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Does the repentant murderer deserve dignity?
Honestly trying to understand this guy's position. I think he's trying to make the argument that it would be morally wrong to, for example, torture a murderer because they are still human, no matter how horrible their past actions have been?
Some people don't deserve any dignity.
No murderer deserves to be shown dignity. They did not show dignity to the people they murdered this young man needs to get an education.
This guy most likely believes that noone should go to prison for any crime.
Something is wrong with that kid thinking that we should honor and respect people even if they are murderers.
I vote to take away this guy's "dignity" for worrying about vile human beings' dignity.
You just proved the point. Dignity is inherent in human beings. You cannot vote to take it away. The Nazis and the Soviets did exactly what you suggest; were they right or wrong in doing it?
Dignity is taken away by the individual who decides to not give dignity to others.
When you reject the rules of civilised society you separate yourself from civilised society and are not deserved of the privileges of that society.
You mean like you've just stated? One rule of civilised society is that we're better than them because we don't act like them. Black and white feels so nice, until you're falsely accused or worse - you actually did it and then everyone 'proves' you right by ripping you apart.
"We shouldn't stoop to the level we're trying to stop." Spoken by a useless person who is showing us he cannot differentiate between mean words and murder, because mean words are the lowest level of suffering he's ever experienced, and so he cannot fathom or empathize with anything worse.
Criminals, a majority, take THEIR OWN dignity away.
How do these people even get to argue their stupidity? I suggest this guy visit a jail and let's see how he react after.
"I'm a murderer, but deserve my dignity." What a pinhead.
I’m thinking this kid doesn’t actually understand the definition of dignity.
This is what parents are getting for $50,000 a year for tuition……well spoken, well intended ignoramuses.
I really don't think this kid knows what the definition of dignity is.
Not quite shure how much dignity someone in prison has?
If dignity should never be removed, then why are they destroying and taking down statues??
When people commit heinous crimes, they forfeit their right to dignity.
All those murderers ought to be grateful that they have 3 meals a day..
We spend millions of taxpayers money to keep those animals behind bars .
When it comes to bodily harm crimes it should be an "eye for an eye" punishment. If that was the case 99% of those types of crimes would not occur.
He just took the dignity. Of all the teachers he has ever had. Making no sense at all.
This attitude comes from kids at school not receiving consequences for either good or bad behaviour.
This guy still has all his participation trophies on his mantle.
If you don’t have the dignity to follow laws, you don’t deserve any.
I *HATE* when people bring up that 'the abyss gazes also' quote, as if it means you should never fight back. Fucking fuck no. It says "beware", as in, yes, there is a danger if you proceed. It's weak to never look at the abyss. It's a tragedy if you look into the abyss and it consumes you. But the third step is to walk in and come back out. Practice fighting evil until you can do so with a clean conscience and no temptation to corruption. Am I mistaken that this is the whole philosophy of martial arts? Train yourself to be so good, you may never actually have to use your skills?
This young generation for the most part is so clueless and brainwashed! Simple.😳🤪
They also are still kids
Dignity is earned.
People are so concerned with being nice, that they no longer want to punish the evil
When someone makes the decision to take the right of life, liberty, or dignity of others. They forfeit their own right to life, liberty, and dignity.
We're in trouble if these people become politicians.
Charlie seems to go round in circles NOT to answer his question but answer his own