Jim Ross shoots on what killed the four horsemen
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Knowing that Ole loathed Ric Flair, and yet was still able to make the Horsemen work is a true testament to doing what was best for business, no matter what.
Ole loathed everything.
In the past, Ole had told people he did not like black people and if they weren’t in demand he would not deal with them. Of course, he would deal with Ric Flair. Money over a lot of things.
Oke was an ass.
What killed The 4 Horsemen? Jim Crockett not paying them what the deserved. This caused Arn and Tully to leave for WWF and The 4 Horsemen was never the same after that.
That's very accurate,but he never paid the boys good as they shoulda got...that includes lower lever talent(don't forget the Mulkey Bro).
They killed the horseman after Ole Left. Lex Luger at least back then was garbage and didn't fit the bill at all. Barry was great in the ring especially for his size but i always saw him as a face. The would have eventually gotten broken up since crockett was going to be defunct anyways. WCW under turner would have ruined them eventually. Im not even going to get into what the WWF would have done to them. It was one of those groups that was created right place right time since the best combination of the horseman was around during the golden years of wrestling. But the business was changing by that time too.
@@angrymobsters1599 I definitely agree with you that the best version of The 4 Horsemen was Flair, Arn, Tully, and Ole. There are many who say Windham was a better fit than Ole. I STRONGLY disagree. Ole was underrated. He might be a dislikable, cranky person in real life, but he was perfect for The 4 Horsemen. His mic skills were awesome. He was believable on that mic. He was a tough guy and I preferred him and Arn as the tag team rather than Arn and Tully. I'm not saying Arn and Tully were bad as a tag. They were great as well, but Arn and Ole were the two tough guys (Uncle and nephew). Plus I liked Tully better as a singles wrestler rather than a tag team wrestler. I still think The 4 Horsemen were a strong stable up until Crockett didn't pay them what they were worth and Arn and Tully left. After that The Horsemen were NEVER the same.
@@AceGoodheart Agree 100%. Having Ole as a Horseman story line wise always made sense to me more than any other combination too. Besides the fact that he had all the skills you mentioned. I loved the connection of the Minnesota wrecking crew being connected with the horseman with Ole being the old and wise vet that mentored his Kayfabe brother Arn Anderson the young and rising star. Plus the connection with them being Kayfabe cousin of Ric Flair made that combination even better and made sense storyline wise. That combination was simply brilliant.
I liked the Brain Busters; i just wish i was older while they were there; i also wish they there (in WWF) longer.
Tully Blanchard not coming back was the beginning of the end of the group.
Benoit & Pillman were great, as was Benoit & Malenko!
The best horsemen group was Flair, Tully, Arn and Windham with JJ as manager.
Totally agree. I hated and for some reason loved that version of the horsemen. I was a kid and they were heels but all there matches were so good that I couldn't help but like them. I would have loved Ric, Arn, and the Midnight Express or later Ric and Arn with the Hollywood Blondes
Oh shit, I forgot about JJ managing. Yeah this was the strongest incarnation of the horsemen. Anything with Mongo McMichael was the worst. Still can't believe they made that guy a horseman.
I agree my favorite horseman was 1988 too
As far as wrestling goes,yes . But it was lacking..... something.
Ole was a crucial member of the Horsemen... that 1st iteration is the best.
I agree but Windh was a good big man but Idid like Benoit and Malenko.
Agree, but I liked Lugar.
Tully and Arn left for WWE and Tully never came back.
Tully was that glue
OG horsemen (flair, arn, ole, & tully, w/ JJ) were bad-ass. Didn't care for the other incarnations.
Yup! THE originals, the foundation!
@mo jo, Ole was the heat magnet of that original 4H, because of his veteran status which helped Flair, Arn & Tully learn from Ole how to be effective as heels.
@Lewis 970 & the fact that not only did WCW try to keep replacing the original group only to nake it worse each time, Vince has done the same thing with every faction he's ever brought out on tv, & same with Impact, ROH or any other promotion that's come along.
The Four Horsemen phenomenon was lightning in a bottle. It's interesting to go back to late '85 and watch it develop. Even if Tully had returned in '90, they would not have recaptured the magic of '86-'87. imo the best option besides Tully was Terry Funk joining w/ Ole as mgr. That group could've gotten over and had a nice couple years... Eaton/Lane w/Cornette joining Flair/AA is also a fascinating idea, it's a shame we didn't see that. As it stands, there were no "Horsemen" iterations post-1988 that were worthy of the name. Tully said it best when he and Arn gave their notice to Crockett: "The end of an era."
I would say the Flair, AA, Benoit & Pillman might've been something had it lasted longer.
Also from what I heard Cornette say, he wasn't going to be a part of The Horsemen, just The Midnight Express. Cornette was going to be strictly a commentator.
@@Lord_Bibulous It was an interesting mix but they would never have been pushed over the NWO or Hogan, so it was tough.
The Horseman died when J.J. and Ole left. Was never the same.
I agree
The Horsemen died when Tully and Arn went to the WWF. Even if Tully would have come back with Arn, Jim "Asshole" Herd would have screwed it up.
Facts. So true amego
Best version is the original, Ole, Arn, Tully, & Flair.
And JJ Dillon don't forget the big man
When i started watching, it was Flair Anderson, Sid, and Windham.
As a kid, i thought that was a cool group of guys!
@@HereIsWisdom1318 but you ain’t no kid now so you know Sid ain’t have a bit of business in that group
Ole is the drizzling $h!t$
@@redauerbach2753 I still think that was a cool group of guys.
The Original Four Horsemen, with the nucleus of Ric, Arn, and Tully, for three solid years from the Fall of 85 to the Fall of 88, is unmatched by any other version of the Horsemen, or any other wrestling faction for that matter. With Ole, Lex, and Barry for those three years it worked great because of the greatness from the other three.
When Tully and Arn left for the WWF, the Horsemen went on life support for the entire year. When Arn came back and Tully didn't in 1989, the Horsemen got better, but know where near the same level as it did with Tully in the fold. Without Tully, the Four Horsemen aren't complete, they were a shell of themselves, and the unit suffered for it for another ten years.
Ah, the Two Horsemen in the Fall of 1988. I can recall they seriously talked about trying to get the Road Warriors to join the Horsemen after they turned heel. No, that wouldn't have worked. At. All.
Tully was an integral part of the horseman, no Tully no horsemen.
@@lindseysummers5351 As much as I loved the Heel Road warriors of the early 80s. I could not see them as horsemen. just does not fit.
They really did capture magic in a bottle during those years. Me and my friends were Horsemen marks and watch every week primarily because of them. I agree the Road Warriors were not a fit. Maybe the Midnight Express. However you look at it, the Mid 80’s was a great era for wrestling.
@@internettroll7604 Agreed, well said!
I liked Sid being a Horsemen. It wasn’t Tully, and it was different, and obviously it wasn’t the original entity of the group, but I still liked it myself.
These Grilling JR videos ALWAYS make me hungry.... I hate you, Conrad! I’m trying to lose weight! 😂
That damn steak.
You and him both😄
Seriously though. Arn Anderson was such a great wrestler.
He is the one person that you can say was the group outside of flar
Most entertaining line up was "Nature Boy", "Enforcer", "Sid Vicious", "Barry Windham". Love the classic lineup. However, "Sid Vicious" and Barry Windham brought a lot to the table in promos.
Arn and Tully were/are the greatest heel tag team of all time in my opinion. For me Flair, Arn and Tully WERE The Four Horsemen and as long as those three were there as the foundation they could put anyone else in and it would have worked brilliantly.
Better than Midnight Express???
In my mind,the best line up was Flair,Anderson,Blanchard,and Windham...No disrespect to the others who were there before and after.
This IS the four horsemen. I don't even rate or remember Ole.
Agreed
@@yizzlekizzle2311 Then you need a history lesson. Without Ole, there's no Andersons. No Horsemen. Simple as that.
I agree to an extent but have them as my second favorite. Mainly because they weren’t together all that long I don’t think.
Agreed.
Nothing will ever top the original Four Horsemen of Pestilence, Famine, Death, and Arn Anderson.
I want to know how the two women in the crowd stole the show during the Luger and Mean Mark match.
Flair, Arn, Tully and Windham were amazing as a group. They got the deadweight of Ole Anderson out of there and were just badass. Tully is one of the most underrated guys in the history of the business...just too bad he made so many enemies.
Ole and Arn Anderson were the National Tag Champs - the only dead weight is you
Without Ole, there was no Arn. You can still surpass your senior, but without Ole, Arn wouldn't have been THEE Double A
Yea, I'm not saying Ole was terrible, but he didn't have that much of a presence...Windham was a huge upgrade. And yes Mr. Vahot, he was given a belt by the company lol
They only do that if you draw money and Ole And Gene.. Ole And Lars and then Ole And Arn - drew tons of money
@@mdhotstuff yeah so much the territory with all them hillbillies went broke and the company died. Here's what killed it: the 1990s
One of my favorite debates concerning pro wrestling is the best tag teams of all-time. If I frame it like JR did, if I was starting a territory and could pick any three tag teams, it would be a tough call.
Original lineup was the best ever. They were all GREAT talkers and performers. Tully was one the best! It was downhill from there. Flair was the star, but Tully was the glue
Tully never coming back. Ric was the leader of the Horsemen absolutely. Arn and Tully were the heart and soul of the Horsemen.
Tully himself put it the best way possible. Ric, Arn, Ole and whoever else were explosive. But you need a blasting cap. Tully was the blasting cap.
The original 4 were by far the best,they could've made it work where ole leaves and it looks like the horsemen are finished only to be reincarnated with Arn,Ric,Tully and Barry. The original for where the best but if it had been done right the Arn, Ric, Tully and Barry would have been the best. They just didn't set it up right. Ole could have came back to challenge JJ for the right to run the 4horsemen.Gimmick match ppv
It's a shame because so many things were just right with what they did with the horsemen. Yet they tried so many other things that were just when it came to the horsemen.
Just wrong
@Green Reaper you are so right without Ole there was no Horsemen believe that...
Ole,Arn, Ric and Tully were the first and always will be the best of all the Four Horseman incarnations.. Woo Woo Woo
To me, the story of them offering Tully less was vintage Jim Herd cutting costs any way he could against older talent, similar to what he was doing at the time to the Midnight Express. Had the Crocketts still been in power, Tully would've come back and would've made what he was should have with Arn.
I actually really liked the version with Brian Pillman in 1995. But then I was not around to see the original (runs), so maybe I can't really judge.
We did get Bobby Eaton and Arn Anderson together as part of The Dangerous Alliance.B.W.
Anderson and Eaton were a great team!
Yeah add rick rude Austin / zybysko
Sid didnt need to be in a group, he was too popular on his own, plus flair likely hated the fact people cheered more for sid than him.
i actually didn't mind all of the various incarnations of the horsemen over the years. but yes the strongest/best/most over set is tully/arn/barry/flair.
can you imagine if tully WOULD have made it back with arn after their WWF run. they could have done some really good work with everything that was going on in the NWA/WCW at that stage.
Flair, Arn, Tully, Ole' with JJ Dillon - All others were just KISS with Eric Singer and Tommy Thayer
Exactly, they all still got the job done, but lost the true dominance and chemistry.
J.J. Dillon was just as an important piece to the Horsemen, like George Martin was to The Beatles. He added a sense of authority and menace to the group without necessarily having to be involved physically. Tully Blanchard for me was 50% of the Horsemen. Without him, the group just wasn't the same again.
While my favorite version was with Lex Luger, I do agree that the strongest rendition was when Windham replaced him. He was a truer sense of a "total package" by being an excellent worker in and out of the ring. Luger not as much. And the much later incarnations of the group with 50 guys (I'm exaggerating here!) was ridiculous and still called themselves the Four Horsemen was off-putting. It diminished the exclusivity and eliteness of the group.
Strongest version: Ric/Barry/Arn/Tully with JJ.
Can't disagree with that. I just was always partial to the original 4 because they were just so damn vicious. That was the "Anderson" factor that Ole's presence brought.
Agree 100...Windham was my favorite for the fourth spot...He was a helluva good worker.
@@Lord_Bibulous Oh Ole was a mean, tough son of a bitch, but IMO at least Barry was a more rounded athlete.
@chris bleau Give me your weed guy's number...You're clearly smoking some good shit.
I STRONGLY DISAGREE
@@chuckgreen8989 Ole is a grumpy mean bastard in real life,but he was " "the shits" as a Horsemen...If you guys watch enough shoot interviews on here,you'll know "the shits" is an Ole Term
What killed them in 1989-90 was turning them heel again and then having them feud with babyfaces that were less over with the crowd than they were. The horsemen feud with Gary Hart & his legion of monsters worked IMO. But putting them against washed-up faces like Orndorff/JYD and a giant who couldn't do anything was always going to fail. After 1988, the horsemen were too popular and too over to work well as heels. Having them feud with groups led by other managers like Kevin Sullivan or Gary Hart was probably the best option.
I don't think signing Tully would have made any difference. The promotion at the time didn't value tag teams and didn't value guys like Arn & Tully highly. They didn't value them any more than they valued the midnight express who they allowed to walk away.
As far as Tully's drug test, it was a farce from beginning to end. They made him take it almost going out the door in WWE. Then it got made public for no good reason. As far as WCW goes, the promotion didn't care about drugs at that time. If they were concerned about drugs, Junkyard Dog (for one example) wouldn't have been working there.
It was bad.
Even w/o Tully, they could've saved it. If Herd wasn't a dick, maybe we get Midnight in the 4h.
Everybody been saying Dusty was the one who called Jim Herd and told him Tully failed a drug test.
@@gregorylevi1826 really?
Would kind of make sense since before what would've been Tully's return, there was some "heat" between Big Dust & Tully.
Idk if the Dusty thing is true, but I know, as most people who worked w/ Jim Herd have said, and as us fans found out, Jim Herd was in WAY OVER HIS HEAD. Unanimously, he's been called an idiot. Pizza Hut DM runs a wrestling promotion. He delivered us The Ding Dongs, Hunchback, bad wCw color scheme, & wanted Flair to be Spartacus. (Whoa)
He tried to turn wCw into WWF, and turned fans away who missed their NWA/wCw wrasslin. I loved the NWA, was hopeful for wCw. They just could never get going w/ these fools & Jim Herd, and the constant changes. Stop/start KILLED them early.
@@gregorylevi1826 how does a promotion uphold another promotion's drug test?
That's like if Rey Jr goes to AEW, Impact, NJPW, or AAA, etc they make him wear an eye patch bc he "had his eye extracted" at the Horrible Show vs Rollins.
To the post, wCw did value tag teams bc they still had a tag team roster, that really, was 2nd to none.
LOD, Steiners, Midnight, Doom, The "Jimmy Jam Freebirds", SST, Sky Scrapers etc
There were some teams. Herd, for some reason, HATED the Midnight Express... How can you hate those guys? They had RnR return, there was still things to do in that tag division & talented teams to work with.
The opportunity was there to have Tully & Arn return together. Guys who came back after being on WWF tv.
Who upholds another wrestling company's drug test? LOL
There was no wCw/WWF partnership. Tully not being allowed to return hurt bc there were so many rivalries for them to revisit. LOD, Midnight, RnR. A new rivalry to create w/ Steiners.
Imo it wasn't that they didn't value teams, Herd didn't value the opinion of guys who knew what was really good.
Regardless of what the WWE Hall of Fame says, or ANYONE ELSE says, in my mind, the true Horsemen have always been, and will always be Flair, Blanchard, Anderson and Anderson.
Understandable but Ole didn't want any part of it. That's why they chose Barry after Ole said "no".
@@gregorylevi1826 Which unfortunately robbed most of us Gen X'ers of watching Barry FINALLY beat Ric Flair for the NWA title. Whether that would have happened is a matter of conjecture.
I believe Paul Roma when he said Flair wanted him out because he was attracting too much (Female) attention from Ric. Ric was insecure around Paul, when they traveled. I can definitely see that. Ric's whole thing was being the leader of the pack, and with Paul around, his energy killed that vibe for Ric.
You are the only person that believes that Roma was a c level jobber.
The question isn’t why the Horsemen died, but why they were brought back. After Ole left, the group was: the top heel in the business, another Champion, and a tag team. At least two of the stars were vets and at least one of the members was a younger wrestler that the company wanted to get more attention (Windam & Luger). In the kayfabe era, it was 100% believable that those guys hung out together. The later incarnations were just an attempt to gain some attention using the Horsemen brand, but didn’t make sense at all.
Flair, Arn, Benoit, Malenko is underrated
I never cared for Malenko.
Tully was the type that made it easy to hate him and that's so important for a hewl group.
What episode is this taken from?
I want to ask Jr or Conrad what if Hot Stuff Eddie Gilbert was with the four horsemen in the beginning? Do you think it would have took off heavyweight champion Ric Flair Tag Team Champions arn and Tully and have TV champion for the United States champion Hot Stuff Eddie Gilbert? I just think you would be a better fit.
Always thought either Ted DiBiase (had he not gone to the WWF) or Gino Hernandez (had he lived) would have been excellent Horsemen. But like most bands, too many lineup changes kills the chemistry.
Well said on your band reference! Disagree with Dibiase as a potiential member though. great worker...but not sure of that fit. Gino on the other hand would have fit perfectly!
Ted wanted to come to JCP but Dusty said no.
Based on the stories that have come out through the years, there were plans to bring Gino into JCP in late 1986. Him and Tully were friends and worked together years earlier. Gino was originally the guy they wanted to replace Ole with and not Lex.
Larry Zybyszko could've fit very well in place of Tully in 90 and later, in my opinion
When i started watching wresting, the Horsemen were Flair Anderson, Sid, and Windham.
As a kid, i thought that was a cool group of guys
Aside from the freshness inevitably wearing off, Ole's departure ultimately caused long-term problems, because the fourth member started constantly changing and often didn't fit the mould. Sting as a Horseman would be like Ric Flair in the nWo.
Orndorff carried that match for his team actually
My manager in work has books on the corridors and sometimes he would put books there titled "Night Rise" and another book called "Torchwood" and in the front cover image the guy is holding a gun to someones head and the guy holding the gun looks like him and the guy recieving the gun looks like me. He has way of communicating things that's kind of passive at times like that and he knows about my love for wrestling and psychology and he recently put a book on the table called "The Fourth Horseman" just right there on one of the tables so when I do my floor walks he must think in his head when he's away from the workplace I would be checking that stuff. Which I do to be fair if it catches my eye kind of thing you know.
It would have been nice having Tully and Arn come back home the two horseman returning they left coming back home would have been awesome ole could've played mouth piece then Gary hart would've been a good jj replacement he was articulate and shrewed but Tully was. that deal man they blew it!!!
Replacing TULLY was the death blow.... That fourth slot was an interchangeable from OLE, LEX, BARRY, BENOIT, JARRETT, SID, PILMAN, or MALENCO would've been a good fit with the other 3....
Now when TULLY & ARN left, it would've been interesting to see how both STEINERS would've fit along with RIC & BARRY as discussed by ARN
No fit whatsoever with the Steiners
Ole, Arn, Tully and Ric we're the original, were the best and in my opinion the only authentic four horsemen, period!
In my opinion the best version of The Horseman were Arn Tully Barry and Ric
Mcmichael should’ve never been a member.
Still prefer him over Jarrett or Roma.
When Tully didn’t come back after a failed drug test. It was never the same. But with that being said, Tully needed to get clean. Now I do not know when he got cleaned but he did get clean. As much as it sickens me to say I would rather have totally clean and not in the four Horsemen then a dirty tally in the four Horsemen. I had to circle back around, tell he was the glue that kept the four Horsemen together in my opinion when him and Arn left that was it for the horseman. It should have died there.
It wasn't a single thing, it was losing pieces along the way with the final straw being they becoming less selective with members and allowing members like Paul Roma and Mongo in.
I remember this version "fighting" Robocop, with poor Gordon Solie having to call that mess. Good going Jim Herd...you make Russo look like a genius.
The guy that was writing when WWF reached mainstream success? It's not that he is a genius it's that he's just better than the rest of the bookers
@@pmfg11 Normally I'd agree with you. But some of Herd's ideas do make Russo look so much better. At least until we remember that he is a former WCW champion.
Started watching NWA around the time Luger was in the horsemen right before he turned face.
I got to hear Tully Blanchard preach during a revival at my church when I was around 15 years old.
How was it??
@@handsomelee9568 I'll be 40 in January, so we're talking about something that happened 25 years ago.
I remember being excited about him coming to our church because I had a lot of wrestling questions I wanted to ask, but when he came in, it was obvious that he didn't want to talk about that part of his life. He only briefly mentioned it in the beginning of the sermon. Then he got into the scripture and preached like most ministers do.
I do not recall what subject he spoke about, but I do remember he didn't seem like the personality that I knew from TV, but I guess that makes sense. The guy on TV was an arrogant jerk but the real life guy was a humble man of God that wasn't proud of the exploits of his former self.
@@mattk3654 well that's awesome
@@handsomelee9568 yes sir, awesome is the word that comes to mind! The way God worked in his life is awesome.
I hope God reveals himself in your life and uses you for His glory. Good luck in life my brother!
The 1st 3 versions were pretty good after that downhill
Good God stop cutting off the interviews mid sentence! Its so annoying I'm about to unsubsribe. Cut off the interview before the talk of the Luger match or finish the part about Luger.
@Larry Harris My whole point is this did not stop after the topic of discussion. It started to discuss another topic then cut it off in the middle.
What about the 2 women? Lol
Chris Benoit is the most legit Horseman because he was the most deadly.
If they coulda had a5th Benoit woulda been with th og 4
Money wasn't what I heard Tully say about not returning to wcw but they didn't want him because of the negative drug test...Tully said that he and Arn had good money deal on table but drug test was reason why Heard wouldn't take Tully back...
I heard Tully address this. He did say that one offer was on the table and after the failed drug test the offer was dropped to something ridiculously lower. That's why he never came back. Herd screwed up WCW so bad it's actually a miracle they were ever on top after his tenure.
A cool Four Horsemen would have been Ric Flair Tully Blanchard arn Anderson Hot Stuff Eddie Gilbert whooo
I got hired by someone to go paint Eddie Gilbert’s apartment
Would die for a 4 horsemen jacket. Hot as hell. I would even swap a kidney I think lol.
JR is my hero. Simple .
Best Horsemen faction Ric Flair, Arn Anderson, Tully Blanchard, Barry Windham
The Four Horseman = Flair, Arn, Tully & Ole, w/ JJ Dillon managing. Period.
Lack of charisma and leadership killed em. They original 4 were the true Horsemen.
Flair had a hand in Tully not coming back
How can I miss you if you won't go away?
Dream match: Arn and Tully Vs. Midnight Express
That feud would have been hot in late '88 if Arn and Tully would have stayed.
It happened and the Express took the titles
@@DabblerHitman Crap I didn't recall. TY
Poop E.pants Beautiful Bobby gave Arn a flying elbow drop off the top rope and pinned him for the win. Arn and Tully headed to WWF to become what Vince wanted them to be and The newly heel Road Warriors took the belts from the Midnight Express
The WORST ever horsemen group was Flair, Benoit, McMichael & Malenko.
The worst ever Horseman group was in 1993. No Tully Blanchard and having a washed up Ole Anderson as a manager for one night only. In reality they were just the Three Horseman. Ric Flair and Arn Anderson with that WWF jobber Paul Roma that young punk who thought he was better than Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, and Arn Anderson combined. It was crap. Paul Roma was crap. Him being in Horsemen with just 2 original active members made them the Three Stooges Horsemen. It was embarrassing.
@@mr10tomidnight The WWF job guy! LOL
@@MrSmitty1074 Exactly the Three Stooges Horsemen.
creoleDJ the original Horsemen awesome on the mic where other ones were the worst Ric Flair being the very best on the mic Blanchard being second
@mr10tomidnight damn, I forgot about Paul Roma. I guess you’re right! The mere fact that I forgot he was a member says a lot! 😂
So Taker was a PAUL HEYMAN GUY LOL
Rumor was Flair nixxed Tully's return
Same thing with the FreeBirds when new wrestlers came on not the same
My favorite horsemen group was
arn Anderson
Ric flair
Chris benoit
Brian pillman
They where like evolution before evolution
The addition of Paul Roma didn't help . I mean even in WWE they tried to help make him a star by pairing him with Hercules and they had winning run with the Rockers .
The original 4 horse man,was the best .Tully getting a drug test ,and no others at that time??? Flair was always loaded ,to this day . Big mistake.
How about when Arn had to pretend to be afraid of Robocop.
Ric flair only Anderson Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard was James j Dillon and woman were the best version of The four horsemen ever the second best version of The four horsemen ever would have been Ric flair Arn Anderson Chris Benoit and they should have brought in Bret Hart to put it over because when Bret Hart came to WCWhe worth it to heal part perfectly with flare Anderson and Benoit
Every version of the Horsemen after the Crockett era were Horsemen in name only. Every version after was a miserable failure.
Kevin Nash
The void of tully killed the horseman as much as wcw was throwing away money they could have let tully do a counter offer...
This is where Benoit should have been champ.
Dusty killed off the horsemen. By running Arn and Tully off to the WWF.
Meltzer thought Junkyard Dog was shit, but El Gigante was a star.. ummm, okay.
If the stars would have aligned Dustin Rhodes could have become a horseman and got more heat than a forest fire
Larry and Arn also became WCW Tag Champs as part of that group. Their real last names start with W and L. Imagine a Tag Team called "Wins and Losses"!😂B.W.
Flair, Hennig, Benoit & Malenko (with Arn as manager) should have been the last incarnation of the Horsemen. Hennig was always MADE to be a Horsemen, and Benoit & Malenko would have been an amazing version of the Brainbusters.
Hennig was not in a good way when he came to WCW though, at that point his best wrestling day were pretty far behind him because of his back. When see how he bumped and sold for his opponent, you can't be surpised.
Totally agree. Thank Hogan, Hall, Nash and Bischoff for messing that up. The NWO phenomenon was epic but it flattened out because all the matches ended with the NWO winning. Never a great culmination against the Horseman or an incarnation of Flair, Sting and Savage taking on the NWO to regain WCW. Hogan and his "creative clause" and never wanting to drop the belt.
Arn Anderson retiring four horseman were finished.
10:08 What is up with the two women?
Tully had no leverage, so he had to take the bad deal, or else he's done.
What else was he gonna do?
He proved he was not good enough to be a solo artist
Ole, Arn, Tully, and Flair with JJ Dillon were the 4 Horsemen. I wasn't impressed with Luger, Sid, Benoit, Mongo, or Pillman as Horsemen. Windham did a decent job but he was too over as a babyface. I didn't think he was always believable as a heel. I always thought guys like Paul Orndorf, Rick Rude, Gino Hernandez, or Curt Hennig would've been great fits for the 4 Horsemen.
Mongo was quite possibly the GOAT horseman.
The original lineup was the best. The Windham version could have been great, but was very short-lived because of the departure of Arn and Tully to cartoon land, up in Connecticut.
I liked the Ric Flair and Ole Anderson feud vs JYD and Rocky King and JYD got his shot at the NWA Worlds Title, Mean Mark was young and rugged, would have liked to see him wrestled as the New Spoiler under the mask in NWA, oh well he became Undertaker and made big money also still like to see him and Sting go at it, and it would be cool an AEW Staudiumn show Sting vs UT in Atlanta or New Orleans of course just a dream match, too bad UT will not do it and Sting would it would draw. All the FourHorsemen did was good, a modern dream a Ric Flair version of Four horsemen in NWA vs Nick Aldis and Strictly Business, oh well just a dream feud, and Sting did battle Mean Mark in WCW NWA days, long live NWA NWA NWA. And of course, the masked men have been great in wrestling and NWA has a new one fans of Pro Wrestling should see.NWA King of Pro Wrestling, and WWE is Sports Entertainment.
to me the horseman was flair arn tully and jj .. ! ole may have been an oG with the group but that never made sense, he was the exact opposite of flair and tully... even arn didnt really match. but he was so good he made it work to be a key face in the group...the 4th wrestler spot was always just a swing position for whatever angle they was workin at the time , to bring on a former opponent and then turn on them again and kik them out ... i never will think of barry as a horseman... he stood out on his own career ...! what killed the horseman is same thing that killed all wrestling, vince and the wwe BS( brainbusters was an all time lame move , and flair never fit in the wwe.. cause he was not like the rest of them / he didnt change his gimmick and he wasnt big enough to be believable opponent .. and there wasnt enough good going on in wcw to maintain horseman as what they once was ...
putting Flair in as 4 horsemen was dumb,keeping him there was just stupid.he was champ and in 85 was wrestling as both face and heel.then in late 85 into 86 the horsemen came into form.they could have put several different guys to fill out that group but flair goin in eliminated matches w Tully,Arn,Ole and whoever the other guy was,I would have put Windham or Rude in that spot,maybe Greg Valentine would come back to do it but Flair in the group long term was bad for the company
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Cocaine must make you run faster because the only person faster to a ring than Tully was the Ultimate Warrior! When Flair was in danger of a losing his belt Tully got damn ass materialized like Star Trek! Then Double A on the way! Man wrestling use to be awesome 😢❤️💯
NWO happen
Also, once again, Lex Luger in a pre-wwf match getting good match reviews. Hmmmmm . . .
Bischoff killed the four horsemen, wcw couldn't find a good way to build a feud between them..it was onesided